Sinners Supreme

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots: "Sinners Supreme"

Date: March 20, 2026
Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz
Guest/Other Voices: Taylor, Chris

Episode Overview

This episode of The Brilliant Idiots is a characteristic blend of pop culture commentary, biting humor, and cultural critique. Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schulz dissect the fallout from the Oscars, with particular focus on Michael B. Jordan’s win and Timothée Chalamet’s loss, the role and risk of authenticity in celebrity culture, the controversial editing (or lack thereof) at the BAFTAs, and the internet's tendency to create outrage from satire. The episode also reviews Jack Harlow’s new album, debates the criteria for superstardom, explores Black America's relationship with anime, and tackles rapid-fire questions on news, music, conspiracy theories, and social dynamics.

The conversation, as always, vacillates between brilliant insight and gleeful idiocy—often lampooning internet reaction culture and the perils of oversharing in the age of podcasts and ubiquitous social media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michael B. Jordan vs. Timothée Chalamet at the Oscars

• Charlamagne is delighted by Michael B. Jordan's win, but even more delighted by Timothée Chalamet's loss.

  • "Timothee Charlemagne lost. Timmy fucking lost. Yes sir. Yes sir." – Charlamagne (01:51)
  • Charlamagne and Andrew note how rare it is that a celeb's relationship with a Kardashian doesn't overshadow their career—crediting Chalamet for this (02:52).

• Debate over what constitutes a 'superstar':

  • Charlamagne: A superstar is as much about mystique, presence, and PR discipline as it is about box office numbers.
  • Andrew: "Superstar to me is, can you open a movie to a huge number without anybody but you?" (16:18)
  • They note that previous eras built and protected movie star mystique using teams of PR experts. The current 'overexposure' is cited as a reason Chalamet stumbled.

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2. The Cost of Authenticity & Celebrity Podcast Appearances

• Tina Fey's viral podcast quote is played and dissected—highlighting the danger and expense of being 'real' in the public eye:

  • "Authenticity is dangerous and expensive." – Tina Fey, quoted with full approval (09:00, 09:08)
  • Charlamagne: "I don't even want to be real no more, bro." (09:19)

• Discussion on how podcast appearances have made actors vulnerable:

  • “The trick really to having a long career in entertainment is just never going on a podcast.” – Andrew (10:28)
  • Both agree actors should protect their mystique and let their work speak.

• Difference between radio personalities and 'classic' celebrities:

  • Podcasting and social media have created an expectation of access and candor that is new and, for many, damaging.

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3. BAFTAs Controversy: The N-Word Incident and PR Conspiracies

• The hosts deconstruct the online furor over a rumor/joke that Michael B. Jordan’s team orchestrated an N-word incident at the BAFTAs to generate press.

  • Charlamagne admits his comments were pure sarcasm, but people ran with them anyway, leading to headlines. (21:13; 25:19)

  • "Sarcasm, really, as a lost art. I can't believe people made this a headline. The show is called Brilliant Idiot. These are just jokes." – Charlamagne (22:14)

  • Andrew wryly observes: "There is too much money in taking people seriously." (34:14)

  • Both hosts discuss the weird incentives of the media and PR ("All press is good press," "top of mind awareness matters," 25:52–31:55).

  • They touch on how negative moments are often clipped out of context and weaponized online.

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4. Jack Harlow’s Album ‘Monica’ and White Artists in Black Genres

• Charlamagne is upfront: “Jack Harlow’s album is trash.” (38:40)
  • Multiple comedic (and viral) fake names for white R&B singers are thrown around: "Cream Latifah," "Music Rothschild," "IRS One", etc. (39:11–39:23)
• Debate over genre-hopping: Are white musicians given more leeway?
  • They discuss Jack Harlow's recent interview where he insists he chose to go deeper into "Black music" out of genuine love, not just for shock or marketing—but how the Internet obsessed over an out-of-context “I got blacker” quote (44:48).
  • Charlamagne: "The thing that it all boils down to, is it good or not?" (45:25)
  • Andrew: "If Jack's album was good, I don't even think it would be a conversation." (49:26)
• Discussion extends to examples like Post Malone, Drake, Beyoncé ("Cowboy Carter"), and how quality trumps all when it comes to crossover.

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5. Black Americans & Anime – Why the Connection?

• Andrew asks for the origins of Black fans' connection to anime.
  • Chris offers historical context: Japanese culture/hip-hop fusion in anime (e.g., Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai voiced by Samuel L. Jackson), anime blocks airing in urban markets (Dragon Ball Z, etc.) (53:22–54:13).
  • Andrew on “outsider/underdog” anime heroes: "I think Black people relate to that." (55:30)
  • There’s a long tradition of martial arts movies (kung fu) preceding anime’s popularity.

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6. News, Conspiracy Theories, and Declining Trust

• The crew bemoans an era where nothing can truly be trusted:

  • "I'm not going to spend the rest of my life wondering if something is real." – Charlamagne (99:37)
  • From Iran-Israel conspiracies, fake Netanyahu death videos ("they'll just say it's AI," 97:00), underground bunkers for the elite (116:05), to the viral story of a man supposedly kidnapped by dolphins to build an underwater city (89:51).

• Overarching message:

  • The lines between reality and satire have blurred, and there's a growing exhaustion with “over-sharing.”
  • "Everything should be on the table, guys." – Charlamagne (117:02)

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7. Listener Q&A, Will Smith, and What Makes a True Star

• Will Smith’s fall and redemption is discussed:

  • Andrew and Charlamagne debate whether Will’s “authenticity” and open self-disclosure eroded his superstar image (119:09–120:36)
  • "Will Smith is a prime example of why you probably shouldn't always be so manicured…You'll never be able to live up to that expectation at all." (121:03)
  • The brand vs. talent: Smith's box office status is unaffected, but public perception shifted after “the slap” and Red Table Talk revelations.

• Q&A topics:

  • Chimpanzees & intelligence (Neil deGrasse Tyson’s “2% difference” analogy, 112:09).
  • Worries about the economy, bunker-building billionaires (114:45–116:13).
  • Celebrity ‘hate-watching,’ envy, and the morality of rooting against others.

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Authenticity is dangerous and expensive." – Tina Fey (09:00)
• "I don't even want to be real no more, bro." – Charlamagne (09:19)
• "The trick really to having a long career in entertainment is just never going on a podcast." – Andrew (10:28)
• "All press is good press, right?" – Charlamagne (25:52)
• "If you can't celebrate somebody else's success, you'll never have any of your own." – Charlamagne (127:51)
• Charlamagne: “Put your big boy panties on, Timothy. Welcome to the big league. You should be happy that I'm hating on you. 'Cause everybody I shit on blows up.” (35:14)
• "Everything should be on the table, guys." – Charlamagne (117:02)
• “Will Smith is still Will Smith. ... That’s still fucking Will Smith.” – Charlamagne (123:20)
• Comedic runner: "You sabotage yourself, Timmy... It's not over for you. You'll be fine…you gotta play Caitlyn Jenner in a biopic." (129:48–131:02)

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Notable Timestamps

• Oscars/Chalamet/Jordan rivalry: ~01:45–17:00
• Tina Fey on podcasting, ‘authenticity is expensive’: 07:55–10:28
• Sarcasm, social media, and weaponized headlines: 21:13–34:14
• Jack Harlow/White artists in Black genres: 38:40–47:58
• Anime/Black America connection: 51:37–56:31
• Dolphin kidnapping/UFO conspiracy: 89:51–94:45
• Will Smith, superstardom, and ‘The Slap’: 119:08–124:00

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Episode Highlights & Style

• Tone: Irreverent, satirical, and self-aware.
• Recurring Bit: Exaggeration of “brilliant” vs “idiot”—often skewering the online lack of nuance and the reaction industry.
• Meta-commentary: Many jokes dissected mid-show; the hosts are acutely aware that their own words will be clipped or misinterpreted.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a masterclass in digging beneath the surface of internet outrage, questioning cultural trends, and laughing at the absurdity of modern fame. While discussions on stardom, authenticity, and crossing over musically are peppered with controversy and biting jokes, the central message remains: in the world of celebrity and social media, irony and sarcasm are dead languages—and if you’re not in the family, you might not get the joke.

Closing Motto:
“If you listen to this podcast and think we’re smart, think we’re intelligent, think we’re brilliant—you’re absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast and think we’re just a couple idiots who don’t know shit, you’re right, too.” – Charlamagne (132:31)

Transcript

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Taylor]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Yep. Charlamagne Thakai, Andrew Schultz. We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of Brilliant Idiot this Heather Kai Walker.

[Andrew Schultz]

What's up my man?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thank you, bro. What'd I do?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timothee Charlemagne lost. Timmy fucking lost. Yes sir. Yes sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

Charlemagne has been plotting this. Congrats to Michael B. Jordan.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Michael B. Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

He not even happy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Real Hollywood movie star. Okay, get that young the out of here.

[Andrew Schultz]

Charlamagne not even happy Michael B. Won. He's happy that Timmy Chalamet lost.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, you know what's so funny? I'll give Timothy credit for one thing. He is such a. I'll give him this. He's not a movie star on the level of a Michael B. Jordan yet. Not a full.

[Andrew Schultz]

Damn, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, let me finish. Not a full fleshed out movie star like Michael B. Right? But he's a big enough star. He's actually the first person to. I've ever seen whose relationship with a Kardashian didn't overshadow him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ooh, what a first. What a take.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's the first.

[Andrew Schultz]

You were coming in hot today. What a take.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, I didn't even know he dated a Kardashian until Oscar night. I kept hearing people say, oh, it's the Kardashians. I'm like, what the fuck the Kardashians got to do with it? And then they was like, he dates fucking Kaitlyn. And I was like, what the fuck this?

[Taylor]

Kylie. Is her name Kylie? Yes, but.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I'm sorry. Kylie. He dates fucking Kylie. And I was like. I didn't even know that. They was like, yo, she's sitting right by him.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then when you go watch the video, somehow. Somehow I'm gonna get in trouble for this clip. I'm sitting here just laughing next to you, and there's gonna be a reaction video.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Welcome to my world.

[Andrew Schultz]

This fucking devil, this white devil, Andrew Schultz, welcomed in my world making Charlamagne. Say these horrible things about Timmy Charlemagne. No. Forcing Charlamagne to rip apart the cartoons.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But I didn't even know until I'm watching, and then I'm like, oh, shit, he does date Kendall. I had no fucking idea that he dated a Kardashian, bro. Y' all knew that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shout out, Timmy. Okay, Young legends.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I did not know this.

[Andrew Schultz]

He would always be at the MSG games with.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I. I promise you, I had no idea.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you're right. That's right. That's. That's. How big of a superstar Timmy is?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Star. Big star.

[Taylor]

You don't think he.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, Timmy's a superstar.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Big star.

[Andrew Schultz]

What's that there?

[Taylor]

I. I didn't start hearing about him. He said, sorry. I started hearing about him until Kylie Jenner.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't even know he was dating any of them.

[Andrew Schultz]

You guys are crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I promise. I'm not even joking. Really. I knew. I knew of Timothy Shalom. I knew who he was, but I did not know.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know you knew.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I did not know.

[Andrew Schultz]

You were plotting this downfall too much. Remember the second we. It was. We started a podcast, and then we were talking about the Marty supreme or something like that, and then you were hating, and I saw and. No, no, no. There was some hate. I forgot exactly what you were hating about, but there was a little hate, and I was like, ping pong. Y' all think it was how he was dressing? No, it was the Kendrick.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was the Kendrick, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know it was. I know I know you think it was whack, whatever, but, like, again, I saw it and I was like, oh, shit. Oh, wow. Timmy's overexposed. He's done too many pods. He's been too cool. And Charlemagne had enough of.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And there was the other. Did you see the rap video he did? We had the fucking mask on and all that bullshit. I'm checking it Seem like they selling me chilling trying to stack 100 million girl got a billion what the fuck? What a wonderful feeling Head to the ceiling, head to the. Since 2017 I'm living the dream Getting the cream I'm living on theme I'm doing my thing Listen, he went. They went 0 for 9 at the. We should be happy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me tell you something.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ping pong can't get hot, bro. We can't make ping pong hot.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is how we take down China. China was trying to do a propaganda movie.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Y. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

They were trying to use ping pong. Infiltrate the American mind, strip us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Of our patriotism.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And why wasn't any Chinese people upset? Isn't that cultural appropriation? Why wasn't they have. They could have no Asian star in Marty Supreme.

[Andrew Schultz]

They did. She shot the ping pong ball out of her pussy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know. Why wasn't she nominated? She couldn't get a Best supporting Actress. That's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

She was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why?

[Taylor]

She didn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She didn't get a Best supporting Actress.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, she should have. Should have, man. It's. It's a talent. Anyway.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Look at Michael B. Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

I want to let all future white boys of the month know the second you get that crown, Charlemagne is coming.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That is not true.

[Andrew Schultz]

This has charlamagne. Listen, white people, if you even get a little motion.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's not true.

[Andrew Schultz]

For more than 30 days.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nope.

[Andrew Schultz]

Charlemagne's come a collect.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There's two white boys that was in that category who I love. Who? Leonardo DiCaprio and Ethan Hawke. Love them.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're both fire.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Fire actors.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, but they play the traditional celebrity game.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Talk to me.

[Andrew Schultz]

We don't know anything about them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We don't know real movie stars. Can we go back to that? Listen, Gary Vaynerchuk said social media is dead. I'm starting to feel like social media is dead. Can we go back to the mystery play?

[Andrew Schultz]

Play this. Play this. First of all, can we not go

[Charlamagne tha God]

back to the mystery?

[Andrew Schultz]

Whether we like it or not, that is where we're going back. These movie companies ain't gonna let an actor do another fucking podcast for a decade. I promise you it Ain and not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right. You like Michael B. Bro. Real superstar. You allowed to Leonardo ain't Leonardo. Real superstar. Leonardo did one interview for one battle after the other, and that was on fucking.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that was one too many.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it was Travis Kelce.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was one too many. You're not allowed to do that anymore. Can you please put up that clip? Because if we want to look at. There's a brilliant, brilliant comedic mind by a woman by the name of Tina Fey. I'm not sure if you've heard of her.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I know Tina Fey. Okay, 100% shout out to Tina Fey.

[Andrew Schultz]

She was on a podcast called Las Culturistas.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, that's on iHeart.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. And she saw. She said this, which I think will resonate with you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Terrible. Thumbnail.

[Andrew Schultz]

God damn. Play the damn. Damn.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would they do that to you, Tina?

[Taylor]

I don't think so, honey. Bowen Yang giving his real opinions about movies on this podcast. I regret to inform you that you are too famous now, sir. I know what's gonna happen. You have a problem with Saltburn Quiet luxury. Keep it to yourself. Because what are you gonna do when Emerald Fennel calls you about her next project where you play Carey Mulligan's co worker in the bridal section of Harrods and then Act 3 takes a sexually violent turn and you have to pretend to be surprised by that term? You hang out with Ariana and SpongeBob. Now that is your life. Okay? And Matt Rogers, I can tell you, you got about one year left and then you. Yes, learn from my mistakes. Learn from IO.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Podcasts are forever.

[Taylor]

Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's so right.

[Andrew Schultz]

That. Not a brilliant thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She's so right, man. Authenticity is so dangerous and expensive. Oh, God,

[Andrew Schultz]

tell me, Charlotte, I don't

[Charlamagne tha God]

even want to be for. I don't want to be real no more, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why tell me?

[Charlamagne tha God]

And by the way, even when I be fake, they try to take it and make it real. I come on the pod last week. We being. First of all, I want to shout out this young lady. Her name is Jessica. Hold on. Jessica Shanae. I think her name is. Hold on. Just. Is this. Let me make sure.

[Andrew Schultz]

While you bring that up. I just want to comment on this. Yes, it is a brilliant. Like I think what human beings want, especially with our actors, is to project whatever our idea of them we have onto them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can I just get the argument.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, no, you're right. You're right. I'm just saying. No, that's not what should happen.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that's what should happen. I think that's what we want. It's the same thing. Like what you ever, like, read a book and then you see the movie based on the book? Initially you're disappointed with the casting because that character doesn't look exactly like you have it in your head, Right? When you see these actors sharing their opinions on the world, which all people have, and the second one of those opinions disagrees with one of yours, all of a sudden it shatters this image you have of that person. So the. The trick really to having a long career in entertainment is just never going to podcast. That is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That is the goal subject. And I'll tell you why I love this subject. Hollywood actors. Can we talk to y' all for a minute? Y' all have something so unique that none of us have. Nobody ever has to know the real you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nobody.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cause nobody gives a fuck about the real you. I care about the character you play. That's what I love. I don't ever have to know who the real Leonardo DiCaprio is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Never.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't ever have to know who the real Denzel is. I don't ever have to know.

[Andrew Schultz]

It might break my heart if I meet the real one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't have to know who Tom Hanks is. I don't have to know who none of these people are. I love the characters you play. Play the roles. Go to fuck home. And if I gotta go do press for the movie, make sure they're only asking me about the character I play. I'll tell you about the character all day.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I might even be talking about me within the character.

[Andrew Schultz]

That might be too much.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's too much. That might be too much. But at least that's how I can get my shit off.

[Andrew Schultz]

You could talk about your parents, you could talk about your friends, you could talk about your inspiration. But if you are an actor, do not talk about you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The fact.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not share your opinions on the world.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The fact that actors even do that is ridiculous. You don't have to.

[Andrew Schultz]

They listen to podcasts too. And I think what happened is they saw culture shift to podcast media. And by podcast I just mean like any long form interview, right? Any nut. Not this like short form bullshit that you see. That's kind of like scripted and they saw it. And I'm sure the PR company's like, well, we gotta get them on podcast. Cause that's where people are watching things. And that's how we're gonna get the word out for the movies. And now they're realizing the cost. It is expensive to be authentic.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I could do a whole interview with Denzel Washington and not ask him one thing about him.

[Andrew Schultz]

You would be the most kind interviewer in his.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm just saying. I know I could because he's played so many roles.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know. You couldn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I couldn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

You asked Matt Clinton where he got the AIDS from.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's Magic.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's part of his. Listen, that's part of his lore. Is that not part of his lore? The man played one on one with hiv. And wonderful. Okay. Magic Johnson gave people with HIV the inspiration to beat hiv. That's a fact.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is a fact.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That is a fact.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is a fact.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He gave people the inspiration to be like, yo, I could do this. I can do this.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, he's the Barack Obama of aids. Is that what you're saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sort of. Kind of. And then Kanye put the tag on it when Kanye said, you can live through anything If Magic dated.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The reason Kanye said that is because of the inspiration somebody like Magic Johnson provided. So in that. That situation, I have to ask Magic about that, and I think he was up there to talk about hiv.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm also. I'm also not being critical. I just know that if you have something in your head, it's got to come out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But I'm not a Hollywood actor. That's the other thing. When you. When you. When you get in business with somebody like me. Yeah, right. You already know who I am. Yeah, right. It's to say, like, you can't. There's no secrets. I. I am who I am. I'm not a Hollywood actor. I've always been me. But if you're a Hollywood actor, you don't have to present you. You don't have to ever be Tom Hanks. You can go do interviews about Castaway. You could do interviews about Big. You could do interviews about Otto. Like, you could do interviews about everything except for you.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the thing, though. This is the thing that's interesting is. And again, I don't know. I'm not sure how some of the actors feel about it. Right. There is a version where it takes somebody without ego to not make it about them. In other words, to do an interview and not share your feelings about the world and share what's going on in your life, simply let yourself be this character. Let the fans see you as this character, and then have your personal life that nobody really knows about. I don't know anything about Daniel Day Lewis. I know nothing about Daniel Day Lewis.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nothing.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even know his favorite food. I know nothing about. I've never heard a single opinion about Daniel Day Lewis. Right. And I wonder, though, if sometimes there's a jealousy that happens with actors. For example, you're known and beloved for a character that another person wrote.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who gives a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is a good argument. But there might be a little part of you that becomes jealous of the creation. Right. You start going, oh, people don't really love me. They love Ross from Friends. And you want people to love you, so you start sharing a little bit about you because you're envious of this character you didn't even create.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So I would go talk to those stars that came up in the 80s, the 90s, the early 2000s, who were that. I would love to have conversations with them and ask them those type of questions, because they would know if I'm a Timothee Chalamet or a Michael B. Jordan. I'm sitting down talking to these people to understand how did they not allow that to happen? How did they not let their ego get the best of them and just go out there, do the work, go home, and that's it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I do think it's. I think it's unfair what's happening with Timmy because he did an amazing press run in terms of getting the word.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think he got what he deserved. I think he earned it just from talking, bro. Yes. We're contradicting our whole point if we say otherwise right now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but we talk, too. So you want to let other talks.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's not a podcaster. He's a Hollywood star.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way, I knew nothing about Timothee Charlemagne until the past year.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's. That's the point.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's exactly. So shut the fuck up. Nobody should have told him to talk. He should have kept shutting the fuck up. I knew nothing about him. I knew he was. He was in Willy Wonka, he was in Dune. He was a big box office star. But this year, for whatever reason, he

[Andrew Schultz]

won't even call him a superstar. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Office star. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You ain't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, the superstar isn't just about how big you are. Yeah, superstar's about how you carry yourself.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, me, I define superstar differently.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tell me.

[Andrew Schultz]

Superstar to me is, can you open a movie to a huge number without anybody but you? Meaning, like without a big name director, without a big name producer, without a big name intellectual property. Can you take a movie that nobody knows about and simply because you're in it, open to over $100 million?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Big star, huge star.

[Andrew Schultz]

That just means big star to me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Superstar is the person who knows how to walk, how to talk, how to dress.

[Andrew Schultz]

Brad Pitt.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Brad Pitt's superstar. Yes. But guess what? They come from an era where they had whole departments to teach you how to be a superstar. If you didn't have it in you, they could teach you how to be it. They had PR people. They had every. It's like politicians, how politicians could sit down and say the right thing. All of these people were groomed.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's crazy how many people it takes to tell you to shut the fuck up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

You need four different teams to just say, don't talk about yourself.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Your team is out there right now. Like, yes, yes, Andrew.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're all the time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, yes, Andrew. Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know how many people on my team sent me that Tina Fey clip?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You see what I'm saying? Listen. It happens.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I think that was also the appeal, to be honest, of podcasts. And even a decade ago, it's like, for the first time in maybe history, outside of, like, radio personalities, right? Like, radio personalities, we always had this, like, intimate relationship with. And I think that's what was so unique about radio personalities, that you had that parasocial relationship that was different than famous people. It was like you knew your favorite radio personalities, kids names. You knew about Howard Stern's life. You knew about his friends. You knew about the people he was beefing with. You knew everything about that human being.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was also so rare back then, though. Howard was a star. You know what I mean? It wasn't a. I'm saying, you also.

[Andrew Schultz]

They know these intimate details with any of the, like, massive figures that existed throughout radio, we feel like we have this intimate relationship with. And then podcasts came around, and it allowed strangers to have an intimate relationship with these people that. I hate using the word famous, but, like, had a certain level exposure and fame. That's unique. You don't get to know the inner workings and details of people that are kind of famous.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, you're right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then social media came out, and now every influencer is just, like, talking into their phone and, like, over sharing. So there we're at maybe a point where we're over sharing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's why the Chance podcast was so popular back in the day, because, you know, you would hear all of those comedians come on with Neil and Moshe, and they would be way more intimate doing These long form interviews, when do

[Andrew Schultz]

you get that access?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, no, you're right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And if you look at like early days in podcasting, having a huge personality like an Elon Musk on somebody, Come on, Rogan would be fucking 30, 40, 50 million views now. It's so common that an Elon Musk will do an interview with somebody that it's not even like appointment view. If Elon Musk sits down with a random podcast. So you're not like, I gotta stop everything I'm doing. There might be political factors that, you

[Charlamagne tha God]

know, they'll definitely, they'll get suppressed on certain platforms.

[Andrew Schultz]

Put it this way. Put it this way. Obama. Obama, I think did that recent interview with. I think his name is Tyler Cohen, I believe. Right. Like that interview five years ago, six years ago, Obama just sitting down with anybody for a long form podcast interview

[Charlamagne tha God]

and talking about aliens and shit. That's when we talk about aliens.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that would have shut the whole Internet down.

[Ryan Coogler]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it was like it popped a little on the alien ship, but nothing really.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It took Thanos, bro. It took Thanos and ET to really make the interview really take off.

[Andrew Schultz]

Isn't that crazy? The time we're living where like everybody's so accessible and there's so much over sharing that sharing is no longer unique or novel.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But you're about to see a lot of people, I think, coming up off social media because of that reason. I think it's going to be a lot more people who just pull back. Because as Tina Fey said, it is expensive. Authenticity is expensive.

[Andrew Schultz]

And what she say and dangerous.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Dangerous and expensive.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, authenticity is costly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Expensive. And I thought you just said expensive. I think I like definitely dangerous. But you're going to see people come up off it. And also why do you think?

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm curious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My reason is I don't think people are going to want to fight to know what's real anymore. Like I don't want to open up my phone every day and be like, yo, is this real? Is this not real? And between all of the AI shit, the PR firms that are paying to push all of these false narratives, talk on it. Getting this misinformation from and not saying ChatGPT can't eventually get better. Cause it's good now, but it's gonna get real better. But you just have. You don't know what's real. Like I got people sending me videos of AI influencers talking, but you don't even realize they're AI AI, bro. You don't need for about three minutes.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't even need a PR firm. You could have a Discord with 200 people that are real people, that are just your army, and you set them out there in the world. And you. This is the narrative. Go fucking talk about it. Go. That's happening.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, all the time.

[Andrew Schultz]

All the time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh. Oh, by the way, we're fully aware of the discord that y' all get in to plan your attacks. Attacks. We're fully aware of that.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that will come out soon.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, absol. Absolutely. He might be out by the time of this podcast, but absolutely. Salute to Michael B. Jordan, though. It was hilarious. Oh, this is the girl I wanted to shout out. Her name is Jessica Chardonnay. Yeah, Jessica Chardonnay. She's Jay on Instagram. And I posted the headline because I reposted one of the headlines, Charlamagne tha God claims Michael B. Jordan sent us hired John Davidson to shout out the N word at the Baptist as a marketing tactic to boost the film's chances of winning an Oscar. That was the best pr. And I put sarcasm, really, as a lost art. I can't believe people made this a headline. The show is called Brilliant Idiot. These are just jokes. Jessica replied to me and said, we gotta stop letting new people in our brilliant idiots family. And it's really just that simple. Like, my other homie hit me and was like, yo, you even gave a disclaimer and they still ran that. This is a headline.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I got blamed. I need to get this video of this guy, bro. You were saying all the words, and somehow it's like, this is what this white guy does. He makes him say these things. And I'm like, bro, I literally just said, great take. But you're gonna let it. You're gonna let him give me all the credit for your take?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was sarcasm.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it's not, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was clear. It was a joke.

[Andrew Schultz]

You might know something, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You might know. It was a clear joke. Now, Illuminati, sadly. Illuminati, sadly. Was it. Was it good pr?

[Andrew Schultz]

Here you go. Here you go. Double down, Lenard.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All I'm simply saying is, did it not bring a lot of attention back to a film that had been out for a year and some change?

[Andrew Schultz]

So are you saying right now on this podcast, because I just want to clarify, before you get clipped to smithereens, are you saying right now on this podcast that you don't think that Michael B. Jordan would have won for have won hands down?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, so it doesn't matter, but I Said that last week, by the way, I said it in the same clip. Everybody keeps reposting. I literally said, michael B. Jordan is going to win. He deserves to win because of the roles that he played. Degree. The degree of difficulty of playing two twins.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can we go to the good book, Philippians 4, 6.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ooh. Okay. What scripture is that? Let me look that one up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Do not. Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation. I don't believe by prayer and petitioned with thanks.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, that's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

Present your request to God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Man, shut the fuck up. It's on my hoodie, by the way. That fits the moment. That's crazy. This shit is on my hoodie. Shout out to my hoodie. I forgot I was wearing it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll be honest, I was a little offended you didn't think I was that nice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, no, this is ripped off a

[Andrew Schultz]

verse, and you didn't even give me a smirk or nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving. Present your request. Request of God. I love this scripture.

[Andrew Schultz]

It wasn't deep. Me. Dearly, bro. Me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Clearly, it wasn't that deep, though. Me, too. But my point is, I just ripped

[Andrew Schultz]

a Bible scripture and you didn't even say, like, yo, Schultz, you know your shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, he's reading off my hoodie.

[Andrew Schultz]

You didn't know it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't know. I forgot I had this hoodie on. By the way, I did my cortisol spiked right there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hold on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't let your cortisol level spike for unnecessary reasons.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know, but you just gave me a very necessary one. That was insanity. That was. Insanity. Had just happened. My. My hands haven't settled. Here's the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But here's the thing. Here's the thing about tape last week.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Even though I'm being sarcastic, even though I'm joking, I don't like when people hit me up and be like, yo, you're right, I'm joking. I am absolutely, positively joking. By the way, why would the cast of Sinners hire a guy who really has Tourette's, who was really there because they were promoting a movie?

[Andrew Schultz]

You're not saying they hired him. You're saying that they gave him a microphone.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody put a microphone by hand. No, no, no, no, no, no. More important.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, no, no.

[Taylor]

Talk about.

[Charlamagne tha God]

More importantly. More importantly, everybody's sitting around wondering why they didn't edit it out. I want y' all to think about

[Andrew Schultz]

this for a second.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Everybody's saying, why didn't they edit it out?

[Andrew Schultz]

Because they Edit out the other stuff.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They edited out everything else.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That one got left in there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Knowledge.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That one got left in there knowledge. I'm just saying. OK. Whether it was Philippians 4.

[Andrew Schultz]

7. Speak when not spoken to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, hey, hey. All pressing. What do you say? All press. Good press. Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Philippians 4.

[Charlamagne tha God]

8.

[Taylor]

All pressing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good press. I bet you about. Show yourself. Hold on. Hey, I don't want to read this.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is it? What is it? No, I don't want to read it. Okay, here's the thing. There is no world which you were implying that Michael B. Jordan could have orchestrated something. No, it's a pure joke, et cetera.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sarcasm.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pure sarcasm. That being said, we know that the people in Hollywood, these PR firms, are diabolical enough to do far more heinous shit. I mean, they're already on audio doing far more heinous shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Are you make lemons out of lemonade?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, don't waste a. What does it say? Never waste a tragedy. Never waste a term in.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If something like. Because I'm really. I mean, we do have to think to ourselves, why did they leave that one in?

[Andrew Schultz]

Why the fuck did they leave that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm just talking about the Baptist. When I say they. I'm talking about the Baptist. Why did the Baptists leave that one in? Probably to bring attention to their award show. Right? And then also by doing that, they brought attention to the moment. Right. Cause Sinners is a year and some change. Old Sinners came out February of last year, Right? So it brings. It just reheats the fire under this movie and gets everybody talking about this movie again. And now the movie is on streaming services. So if you didn't see it, you might turn it on and watch it and realize like, oh, shit, this movie was freaking phenomenal. So it's one of those things that. No, it wasn't orchestrated by the cast of Sinners.

[Andrew Schultz]

Of course not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right. But for whatever reason, the baftas decided to leave that N word in the actual broadcast. It benefited the cast of Sinners.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think it benefited.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It benefited the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think it did.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think all attention is good attention, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think anybody saw that. And they're like, you know what?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Unless it's Timothee Chalamet type of thing. Attention. Is Timothy Chalamet Jewish?

[Andrew Schultz]

Jewish.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jewish.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know why.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm just asking. Why are you shaking your head?

[Andrew Schultz]

Here we go. Here we go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm asking.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why are you asking? Why are you asking?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Huh?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I get it. You think that they attacked Iran to stop Timothy Chalamet from getting the Oscar? Is that what you're saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think you need to say that. Sarcasm don't quit me.

[Andrew Schultz]

You said it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You said it. I didn't say it. You said it. They'll clip it and say, Andrew Schultz said no.

[Andrew Schultz]

Charlamagne. Said Charlamagne, the God said.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All I was gonna simply say was that in moments like that, you can't be the aggressor. Timothy was the aggressor. So Timothy didn't get no sympathy. Timothy went out there and shit on a group. Timothy went out there and shit on ballet people and shit on people who did opera. So much so that the op. That the Oscars said, oh, watch this. Misty Copeland come out here and do some ballet.

[Chris]

He.

[Andrew Schultz]

Throw it in his face.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do some ballet.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he did it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Throw it in. Panda Timothy while Misty's on stage doing his ballet. I dare him to make a fucking face. We'll have him and Kaitlyn escorted out of here.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, okay, listen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, listen. So all I'm saying is.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're saying that if Timmy won, it would have been White Supremacist.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I'm saying that you are.

[Andrew Schultz]

What was the movie called?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ooh, shit. Whitey Supreme. Yo, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Are you crazy? Are you saying right now that is.

[Andrew Schultz]

With no satire. Other brilliant podcast, that after an N word was thrown out at the baftas, they admit the Oscars could not possibly give a single Oscar to the movie Whitey Supreme? Is that what you're saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whitey supreme wouldn't even be nominated at

[Andrew Schultz]

the Oscars, but it was too late. The nomination.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't think the N word of the Baptist has anything to do with it. What I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is. What I'm saying is Marty Supreme.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you think?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you think?

[Andrew Schultz]

So we have our listeners, right? We have our listeners.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Our listeners know where. Nuts.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know, I know. But what do you think they think when they listen to our whole episodes and then they go on the Internet and see people say it, taking the shit that we say seriously?

[Charlamagne tha God]

They're like, what the fuck is wrong with people?

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you think is happening?

[Charlamagne tha God]

They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? This show is called a brilliant image.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't think it's enjoyable for them? Like, they get to listen to it and then they know that that week.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They do. They do, yeah. It's like when we did the episode where we did the Taylor Swift, Beyonce thing. And I literally said, bro, I'm about to tell y' all something. That's complete bullshit. Trust me, I'm lying. But they're still gonna clip it and turn it in the news. And then. And I did the whole Beyonce can't go out in public cause of the Michael Jackson law. Taylor Swift can't go out in public cause of the Michael Jackson law. Like, what the fuck, yo?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way, same thing right now. All I'm simply saying is this is satire, all right? But because of a bad situation that happened at the baftas, I do believe all press is good press. And it did come back ultimately to benefit. I think the film just cuz people probably it was on more people's radar at the time.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then you're saying it influenced the votes. Cuz isn't this all done through votes? It's not like there's like a shadowy figure at the head of the Oscars, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is just what people voting was done a day after the Baptist. That's when the ballots came. So all I'm simply saying is a top of mind awareness is a thing, people. Ryan Coogler even said it when he was on stage. Ryan Coogler was like, yo, man, thank the Academy for showing love to a movie that's a year old.

[Ryan Coogler]

Please sit down because I'm very nervous and they gonna play me off. I grew up in Oakland, Richmond, California. We can talk a lot. So I want to thank the Catholic me for thinking of our movie that came out almost a year ago.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like top of the mind awareness matters. I don't know how Marty supreme got so hot and that came out in December, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ryan. Ryan is so funny. He's so unattended.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's so Oakland, baby.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's so Oakland. Did you see him talking about how he got into baking bread during the pandemic?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh my God. You got to find this clip cuz it sounds like a sketch a comedian would do about Ryan Coogler being so Oakland.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ryan's genius, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you gotta see it. Like the passion but still with the eye. Find him talking about baking bread.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ryan's so genius. Ryan said that he got. He was inspired by Nipsey Hussle and his brother Black Sam when he created the character Smoking Stack, bro. Oh, wow. Like this stuff like that, like he was like, I was listening to young Dolph. I think his cousin or somebody is from Memphis. All of the different ways he gets inspiration to create stuff like Sinners is Fantastic. Over the pandemic,

[Ryan Coogler]

like everybody, I started baking, but unlike everybody, I never stopped. So, so I'm still, I was still baking all the time. And one of the first things I. One of the first things. What are you baking? I make, I make sourdough mostly, but I also also like anything, any baked good. First thing I tried to learn how to do is make a croissant. And I've quickly discovered it's like a three day process and it's like really complicated. A lot of measuring and, and I can't imagine. And a lot of you gotta, like in the butter gotta be a certain quality. It's gotta be kept at a certain temperature it up. But for my whole entire life I just thought a croissant was like some easy you go grab at the donut shop. I don't even think about like how many layers is in it when you bite into it. I never thought about the flakes and, and how much work and science it takes. I just know croissants taste good. So for me, I was thinking about this movie like a croissant. Some people, some people like, they bake, they gonna cut the croissant open, they gonna count how many layers are in it. They gonna taste the quality of the butter and all of that. And that's cool for some people. You feel me? Like most people just want to eat a. I just want something quick for breakfast. I was trying to do is make a movie that, that, that, that worked for everybody who was hungry and for people who, who like to break down the layers and, and, and really dig into it. It's like it's there for them, you know what I mean? It would discover like a lot of folding and good quality ingredients. There's people who just was like, it, I just want a croissant. It's there for them too, you know what I mean? And they'll be, and they'll be happy if that, if that makes sense.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's just crazy how sarcasm is a lost art, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I think there's just too much money in taking people seriously.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I was thinking too though? I was thinking that somebody was looking for a way to shit on Michael B. Jordan. Cause there's nothing you can hate on Michael B. Jordan for. There's nothing you can hate on sinners for. So somebody was looking for a reason to be miserable about it and used my clip to do it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, so you think they weaponized your clip to undercut his victory?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, well, no, but I said this before sinners came Out. I said this last week.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. But I didn't see the reaction to it until after he won.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it probably got bigger after he won. But the thing that I found interesting is like. Cause if you actually, that means you were watching Brilliant Idiots. So if you were watching brilliant Idiots, you clearly know that I was in here shitting on. On Timothy Charlemagne unnecessarily. I don't think it was unnecessary.

[Andrew Schultz]

Good kid.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's a sweet kid.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm sure he is, but baby actor, superstar.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, put your big boy panties on, Timothy. Welcome to the big league. All right. You should be happy that I'm hating on you. You should be happy. You should say, damn, yo, fuck the Oscar. I made it. When Charlemagne is shitting on me. Cause everybody I shit on blows up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, thank God. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What? I only on that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I was like, I'm about to have my moment.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I only. I only on the best.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, when you. On people, they. They revert to, like, white art forms. But he's already making a pingpong move. So it's like, damn. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, it. It's different. If.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Can we be happy that ping pong won't get hot in America because of this shit, bro?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. I mean, well, what's wrong with rackets? But sports.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, don't do that. Don't do that.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? What's wrong with practice sports?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm just saying I love practice sports.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't do that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love battle. I love tennis.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tennis is fire. Is fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't. Don't put a little on it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ping pong.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ping pong. I used to bond with my father on ping pong. It was fantastic when he was a kid.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's a little kid's game.

[Andrew Schultz]

He was an adult.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's my playing with his little kid. That's something you do with children.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And the boxers. Boxers love ping pong because of hand eye coordination.

[Andrew Schultz]

Everybody loves ping pong.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You can't fight shit. Be doing ping pong.

[Andrew Schultz]

What? Yo, you know who played ping pong?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Can box. Shouldn't be doing ping pong.

[Andrew Schultz]

Forrest Gump played ping pong. You gonna hate on Forrest?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Forrest could fight. Forrest will fuck you up.

[Andrew Schultz]

He could run.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He can run.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know if he.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What? He fought Forrest Gump.

[Andrew Schultz]

Who'd he fight?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody that was disrespecting Jenny.

[Andrew Schultz]

Who'd he fight?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't remember who he fought. Who'd he.

[Andrew Schultz]

You remember?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I don't look it up. I just remember him fucking somebody up who he beat up me thinking, damn, they really are strong. What?

[Andrew Schultz]

What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What? What? What? Pars is a world class athlete.

[Andrew Schultz]

Didn't he fuck up the Black Panther? Did he didn't the Black Panther put his hands on. On Jenny. He fought in the Vietnam War. So you're telling me he only beat up minorities in Flores? Gump, we not gon. We're not gonna let that slide at all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wasn't that the scene where, like, Jenny was chilling with the black people?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I just remember him fighting somebody in the movie and him fucking somebody up. Maybe I'm making all of this up. He get bigger than that? Nah, nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

There was a scene.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Forrest Gump definitely got his. He got some licks in. Forrest Gump definitely got into a fist fight, bro. He definitely got into a fist fight. Jeannie had HIV in that movie. But they couldn't say it was HIV back then.

[Andrew Schultz]

What they say was, was they didn't never say.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They just said it was like some type of disease, like some type of life threatening disease. But it was. The. The director at the time said that it was supposed to be hiv. Jenny.

[Andrew Schultz]

Jenny's abusive boyfriend?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

The Black Panther guy. Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He was a Black Panther.

[Andrew Schultz]

He up that they made them abusive, right up they made them abusive. And the white man got to come save the day.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's up.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then what did Jenny get out of it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Forest Gump was a minority, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Forest gave her yellow fever.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, she didn't get that from Forrest.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you think he brought back from Vietnam?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I thought Jenny had hiv.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what you. That's what everybody thought.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, but the director said that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Homophobic?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. Why?

[Andrew Schultz]

She's not gay, but she was hanging out with him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know what you're talking about. Right. I don't know what we just did.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can we. Oh, now. Oh, now we can't dissect Forrest Gump, huh? Now we can't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

As a white man, I love forest gum. Speaking of criticizing white men, what we got? Jack Harlow's new album is trash.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo. Come on, man. Can a white boy get some motion, bro? Get a white boy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jack Har's new album that is calling Most Definitely not a Monk.

[Andrew Schultz]

That wasn't the best name. The best. The best name was Ryan McWh. The best name was Music Rothschild.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hilarious. Oh, that's great. That's IRS one was hilarious.

[Andrew Schultz]

IRS one was good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Dressed like LL Cool Whip. I don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because I don't even Think ll dressed like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jamie Foe.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, the best. The other one was 50 pence home death.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do we think about this album? Seriously? I don't like it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I haven't listened. But Jack seems like a sweet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kid's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's just trying to make music. He's trying. I. This is a perfect example.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That interview, Cream Latifah.

[Chris]

Hilarious.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was good. But like, first of all, I don't know, Jack always seemed like he had a sense of humor. So he might find this kind of stuff fun. But then, then again, you're also like putting out a piece and you know people are making fun of it. That's always gotta hurt. But.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, do you feel like that if it's not really your main piece of art? Like if it's not your main thing?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think if you put time and effort into anything, you're gonna be sensitive about it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We ain't put no time and effort into that shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, come on, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That shit. Hey, listen. And I like Jack Hart.

[Andrew Schultz]

I gotta listen to it. I gotta listen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I've listened to it twice. Cause I thought I was being.

[Taylor]

Do you know, like the concept of it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The concept.

[Taylor]

I like the concept, Monica. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the concept of it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, they were reaching with that.

[Chris]

That one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the concept of it?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but the name.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Monica. He's trying to be more blacker, I don't think.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, okay. Can you go to the clip where this all started from?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, because I think this didn't start from the clip for me. This started from me just listening to the album and saying this is whack.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know, I know. But there was. He was being interviewed by some people and he was interviewing by these two guys. I don't know if they're. The New York Times. New York Times, the podcast. Yeah. And sorry for not knowing your guys names.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the caption say?

[Andrew Schultz]

But they look familiar.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Chris knows their name. What's their name? Chris? That was John Caramonico up there. Oh, I didn't notice John up there. I only watched the clip though.

[Andrew Schultz]

So watch this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the caption say, Taylor? Are white rappers Jack Hart? No, no. Click. The more.

[Taylor]

Watch the white rappers More affordable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

White rappers. More affordable. We can buy white rappers. That was the price. Now we getting some wins and stop. Stop it.

[Andrew Schultz]

My cortisol. My cortisol spiking again.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Let's hit Fresh Play Taylor. White rappers are afforded more freedom to change their genre. True or false? I might have to think about that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'd like to hear your answer to Joe's question, but also then talk about what I feel is, like, the radical twist of what you have chosen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, I'll piggyback off what John's saying. Jon's saying you didn't retreat into a whiter genre.

[Chris]

In fact, you arguably went into.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Deeper into black music, deeper into blackness. So is that. Was that conscious? Was that a little twist on the typical move that white rappers make, which is to retreat back into traditionally white sounds? It certainly made what I already wanted to do even more appealing. Absolutely. Because you like pushing that boundary, that line. I think I love black music. I love the sound of black.

[Chris]

Who among us?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I love the sound of black music.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And of course, I'm hyper aware of the politics of today, that safer landing spot that a lot of my white contemporaries have found. And of course, it appealed to me to do something that I felt like at a time when there's plenty of people expecting me to take some of the routes y' all are taking, to take the route that not only might not be expected, but is also the one I genuinely want to take. So all the stars aligned in that way for me. To be honest, I'm not going to pretend like what you're talking about. I was. Huh.

[Andrew Schultz]

I guess you're right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I knew that there were multiple things appealing about this route, but I also came to the decision, I'm proud to say, off of what feels good in my ear. Can I say something, please, Jack? I want to apologize to Jack Harlow. Cause I didn't know. I'm saying. Cause I didn't see that whole clip.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's the thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I only saw the part after he said, I got blacker. I got blacker.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't see the whole. And I gave Robin Thicke props. Cause Robin Thick Thicke was saying how he does black music. Like, he didn't say, I do black music. Right. That's essentially what Jack Harlow is saying right here. I only saw the part where he said, I got blacker. So I apologize for my reaction to that clip. But the album's still whack. Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay. So again, you can have your opinion on the album.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's fine.

[Andrew Schultz]

But this is a perfect example of, like, the Internet, right? They just go. He goes, I got blacker. That's not what Jack is saying. What he's doing is calling out the interviewers for not asking the question that they want to ask. The interviewers are trying to find a politically correct way to say, hey, you didn't retreat into a white genre. Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They should have said it like that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know, but, like, not. Listen, I'm not being critical, but like, for example, like a Post Malone, we know him from rap music. And now Post is doing all different genres of music. Amazingly successful. That's what they were trying to say. Without maybe burning a bridge with Post or without. So they're being politically correct.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's whack. They should have said, post went to do country music, MGK went to do rock, you went to go do R and B. Why not go back to, like, something that people consider white even though it's all black? And then.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then. And for example, if Jack, I imagine, did retreat to a whiter genre, people would be calling him out like, oh, so you came, you got on with rap, and the second you got on, you go do some white shit so you can be even more popular. And what he's calling them out is saying he's basically going, yo, you're trying to say I got blacker. That's the question that you guys are trying to say. And he's going, yeah, I fucking love black music. I think it's amazing. And I understand, like, I'm not black,

[Charlamagne tha God]

dude, but I fucking love it. I like what he said after, where he talks about I love black.

[Josh Shapiro]

Exactly.

[Taylor]

He's.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's not going, this is. He's like, this is something that I fucking admire and love. Like, he's giving the props. That's why I hate the Internet, because he literally is saying the right thing. Like, if you watch the whole clip, he's not trying to take ownership of the music. He's submitting himself to this thing going, this is the shit I love.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. I mean, you know what's crazy, though?

[Andrew Schultz]

How do you answer that question better?

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is what I think. I. I think that. And this is what I heard. Jack Harlow paid somebody to clip this clip like that and put it out because he knew that the negative feedback from this clip would bring more attention to his album. That's what I. That's what I was thinking. Now you're thinking, I heard that. I actually heard that. I heard that he paid somebody to clip this clip the way that they did put it out. The way that they put it out. And then he knew that everybody was gonna react the way they reacting and calling them Cream Latifah and all of this shit like that. And he knew that it was gonna bring attention.

[Andrew Schultz]

They used AI put him in a double terminal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I heard. I don't know if this is true or not, but that's what I heard. Here's the thing. I don't care what type of music you make. And I don't even like the question that they asked when they said, are white artists afforded more of a luxury in other genres? I don't believe that. I believe that whenever you're an artist who's known for one thing, when you cross over to other genres, there's going to always be critique. Always. But the thing that it all boils down to, is it good or not? When Kanye decided to do 808 and heartbreaks, that was a risk, but it was good. When Drake does R and B songs, he kind of gets the benefit of the Doubt because he has always done both. But people care if it's good. When Beyonce comes out with Cowboy Carter, she gets a lot of pushback from some people in country, but all people really care about is it good. And it was great. And she won Album of the Year at the Grammys. The music has to be good. That's it. Period.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. I think the question is, like, are white people afforded more, like, leeway? And I think the argument right there is to pop into other genres. And it's like, I could see the argument saying, yeah, like, Lil Wayne did the rock album.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Lil Wayne does the rock album. Freaking Kid Cudi does R and B when he wants to. Andre 3000. Did love break. You gotta look speaker box. Love. What was it? Love below.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but, like, you gotta look at

[Charlamagne tha God]

it like Beyonce did country.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no. The question they're trying to ask in a very politically correct manner is, can white people pop in and out of white music? It's not about going to a.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hold on. What now say that again.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can white people pop in and out of white music? Whereas, like, easier. So, for example, can you be a white rapper and then can you go make rock music and is that more acceptable? And. Whereas if a black artist that we know as a rapper ends up doing R and B, I believe. And again, I don't want to speak for them, but I imagine they're going, yeah, that's still black music. So you're allowed to operate.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think we're also. Also looking at it from the consumer perspective.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Everybody in their genre of music is a snob. Do you know what it takes to be a country if you're a real country artist? Oh, yeah, you gotta go move to Nashville. You gotta go do the radio politics down there and, you know, kick it with the Bobby Bones of the world. If you're doing it right for sure. If you're doing any. Anybody, I guarantee you, Jelly Roll tell you the same thing. Anybody that wants to be in country music, you gotta go to Nashville and you gotta run the circuit, and you gotta really, like, embed yourself into the community of Nashville. So I think anybody in any generation.

[Andrew Schultz]

Jelly did it on his own. Like, Jelly didn't choose up with one of these big, like, massive, you know, country music houses. Like, he was leaving his shit independent, and it blew up, you know, so he, like, forced his way into that genre.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So if you're in a genre of music, you're a snob already. So we're looking at it from consumers. So we're just like, yo, you just gotta make a good album. If you in rock, you ain't just allowing anybody to come into your rock circle. If you in country, you're not just allowing anybody to come into your country circle. If you're in hip hop, you're not just allowing anybody to come into your hip hop circle. Why is Eminem so accepted in hip hop? Cause he's dice.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cause he's dope. Why was Mac Miller accepted? Because he's dope. You can be a Vanilla Ice and get some success, but they don't respect you. There's plenty of white. You could. God bless you. You could be an Iggy Azalea and get a little bit respect. Be with a TI for a second. But then as soon as you whack in any way, shape or form, Bob, get that whack off the radio, as the guy did when he called Suede show, because the whole world is watching and the paparazzi is flocking. And we fly shit when we drop in and we shut down. Your part Tim and his Aunt John in Tennessee. Go ahead what you want to say. That shit is fucking trash, dog. Get the fuck off the airways. So you have to be accepted by the genre, the people in the genre first.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's based on the quality of the music?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, I think so, anyway. Anyway.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think so.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you're saying if. If Jack's album was better, there would be less scrutiny?

[Charlamagne tha God]

If Jack's album was good, I don't even think it would be a conversation.

[Andrew Schultz]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If Jack's album was good, the conversation. But majority, majority, majority would be, yo, this album is dope. It's a dope album.

[Andrew Schultz]

There would still be a conversation about switching genres. Anytime somebody tries to switch genre, people

[Charlamagne tha God]

are gonna have a conversation about it.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you're saying it was good music.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Would Overshot. Beyonce's proof for that.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you're right. It's like a hit song is a hit song. It's. It's something primal about the way that we connect to it. Like, I listen to that K Pop Demon Hunters song, Gold Fire. That shit is incredible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, let me tell you something, man. Somebody said to me on the radio this week, man, sinners should have won every category. I said, nope. Anybody who says Sinners should have won every category, especially the best song category. Y' all ain't got no kids. Cause that golden song, this song is incredible.

[Andrew Schultz]

His music and food are the only thing that cut through.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I've been hearing that golden song for so goddamn long in my house, man, I can't even. I, I. I know it so much, I sing the lyrics wrong.

[Andrew Schultz]

Go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm done hiding now I'm shining like this I'm born to be like I'm born to be like. I hear that shit so much.

[Andrew Schultz]

I can't do that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, that's that song. That's. That. Golden is out of here. That is like. That is on its way to.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is that song from Frozen? Let it go. That's. Let it Go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

On the way to that. And it's only. It's only been a year. Yeah, that's on the way to that. Like, any. Like, if you, you don't have no kids. If you didn't think golden should win

[Andrew Schultz]

best song, Taylor said she never heard of that song.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't got. Well, PJ's young.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but you missed the talking to that mic.

[Taylor]

What movie is it on?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's K Pop Demon Hunter.

[Andrew Schultz]

K Pop Demon Hunter.

[Taylor]

Oh, that's what it's called? Yeah, I. Oh, I thought that that was the crew.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, you don't know it. Get the out.

[Andrew Schultz]

You've never heard the song Golden?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Play one Time. We got to cut it, obviously, but play it one time. Chris's kids are older.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but I think. I think even teenagers watch that. Like, I thought that I heard the movie was incredibly successful, and not just if you're into anime, maybe. Got it. I love kid or into anime. You probably missed it. Yo, can you guys tell me anime?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me the history with. Tell me the history with black Americans and anime.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The. I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

I get what. No, there's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There's.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's this, like, deep connection between and it's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it's, you know, why tell. Anime is dope.

[Andrew Schultz]

Stop, stop, stop.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's really that simple.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. There's a lot of things. There are a lot of things that are dope, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

But, like, all it takes.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm not. I'm not saying it doesn't, but, like, still there has to be a moment where like, a group of people find a thing. Like, for example, what is his name? Kenny Rogers was incredibly popular in Jamaica. Like, he would do stadium shows in Jamaica. And I'm like, okay, well, like, when did Jamaicans find Kenny Rogers?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Country is popular in Jamaica.

[Chris]

There was a reason for that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Because in the 50s and 60s, the Jamaican radio was actually government controlled and very kind of like, conservative. In this song they played, and they were able to pick up a powerful station in Nashville.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Get the fuck out of here, New Orleans.

[Chris]

So there are a lot of country stars to this day who are massive in Jamaica because the restriction of music there.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they would.

[Chris]

So they would pick up these American stations and they would just listen to straight country. So Kenny Rogers, there's a. There's a female country star who still does tours. There's a situation like that. Lionel Richie, for some reason is huge in Iraq. He's like one of the biggest stars to this day in Iraq. They're just people around the world that for whatever reason.

[Andrew Schultz]

So there's like, remember the guy from Baywatch, David Hasselhoff?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Remember, he was huge in Germany. Well, I guess the last name Hasselhoff.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. His kid was a German McClure.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay. Was it even? I don't even think it was. So, so then. Okay, so when does. When does anime. Anime come become incredibly popular in black America? Looking at it now, tell me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It says early influence Afro diasporic culture in anime. Long before anime had visible black characters, black culture influenced the aesthetic and storytelling. It was a project called Yasuke Yasuki that came out in the 1500s. An African man who became a samurai under Oda Nabunaga. His story later inspired anime like Yasuke, which is on Netflix. The fusion of hip hop and samurai culture became a defining vibe in shows like Samurai Champloo, heavily inspired by hip hop culture. And of course, oh, Afro Samurai, created by Takashi Okazaki and voiced by Samuel L. Jackson. Even when characters weren't black, black music, fashion and attitude shaped anime style, especially in the late 90s and 2000. Then it starts. Anime's US explosion wouldn't look the same without black viewers. Blocks like Tuna may introduce shows like Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Sailor Moon.

[Andrew Schultz]

So.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And they said these shows aired heavily in urban markets and they built strong black Fan base.

[Andrew Schultz]

So here's the thing. When I was growing up anime, and I'm. I wonder what your take is on this, Al, because you grew up in the city too. Anime was consumed by Asians and some black people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I think it even went before anime. I think it was like some of the kung fu movies.

[Chris]

Well, that was. That was the seventies with the. I can remember a time where black guys were walking around in Chinese slippers and the kung fu and all that. And. Yeah, that was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, you think the last Dragon and all of that shit came from.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's right, that's right. That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shaft. And I'm sucker. They was walking like. We've always loved karate and kung fu. That's why even when you ask me about anime, I'm like, oh, shit. I've known anime from the beginning of time.

[Andrew Schultz]

But is Shaft influenced in a way by the kung fu genre? Genre?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, there was a kung fu guy in Shaft. Wasn't it the black kung fu guy?

[Chris]

Kung fu is Chinese and anime is largely Japanese. I understand it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. There was always like, like martial arts people always gravitated towards that in the hood. And even we were so big on anime that when the boondocks came out, we was like, oh, shit, that shit is anime style. Like, it was like. It was like the. I'm not gonna say the first black anime cartoon, but like one of the first cartoons that I saw that had the anime aspect style that was like hip hop, you know what I'm saying? And street.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. So it's just like. I think part of it is that most animes have like the underdog outsider theme. And I think black people relate to that. Oh, interesting. Like every single anime, it's the outsider underdog who ends up like horror avenging. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

I will say this. I think it's like a general. I'll call it nerd culture for lack of a better term.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Chris]

I go to the Brooklyn Botanical Garden Cherry blossom festival every year, which is a Japanese festival. And I'd say 15 years ago I noticed, I was like. And people, teenagers come dressed up in

[Andrew Schultz]

anime costumes and they're LARPing as Japanese.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

But 15 years ago I was like, damn, half these kids are black. Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But according to these history, it's always been that way. It says anime draws from hip hop, pop, black fashion, slang and rhythm. Black creators and fans, cosplay, create anime inspired art, build communities online. It says anime didn't just discover black people, and black people didn't just discover

[Andrew Schultz]

anime I think, I think the affection for anime existed before hip hop. Like hip hop. Hip hop comes to real mainstream prominence probably in the 90s, 1980s. This is before.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely. I mean, think about it, man. People used to gather and I mean, I'm conflating the two, but if you gathered around the radio to listen to kung fu flicks, why wouldn't you gravitate towards anime when you saw this on your screen? Like, come on, guys, Wu Tang was inspired by the martial arts flicks of the 50s and 60s and 70s.

[Andrew Schultz]

Perfect example.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like,

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm sorry we're saying all that to say Jack Harlow's album is terrible. And Timothy Shaw, they lost the Oscars.

[Andrew Schultz]

So why can't we just celebrate Michael B's victory?

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's not what podcasts are about, all right? Podcasts are about saying things to get the people going.

[Andrew Schultz]

Free Timmy man. Free Timmy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timmy's free.

[Andrew Schultz]

June 3rd coming out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Free.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

There are, by the way, there are a lot. There are a lot of think pieces with no thought about this Timothee Chalamet thing. And the reason I say that though, because who said that he had it in the bag?

[Taylor]

Yeah, that's how I was going to ask.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nobody. Like Leo was. This might have been like the toughest best actor category I probably can that I can remember in a long time time. Leonardo DiCaprio, Ethan Hawk, Michael B. Jordan, Timothy Chalamet. Who was the fifth person? Who was the fifth person? That was not.

[Andrew Schultz]

What was Ethan Hawke in there for? Like what. What was his movie?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wasn't Frankenstein, was it? Who was it?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know. But just being a badass, I don't remember who Ethan Hawk is nice, bro. He's nice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who was the fifth president?

[Taylor]

Wagner.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, Wagner. Mora. Yeah, yeah. Brazilian.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was tough, bro. It was a tough, tough category. Like this is one of them ones.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think it was Timothy or Michael B. I think everybody knew that. Those are the top two. I don't know. But Leo's performance in that movie was pretty good too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I've seen Leo do better.

[Andrew Schultz]

I didn't watch it. I didn't see the movie.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I liked it, though. I like, I like.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't like the movie. One battle after another.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is my. Ooh, hot take. I want to see.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I thought it was too long. You bill it as a comedy. I didn't laugh. I didn't get no jokes out of was it was. It was just one of those movies that's just like this is the reason

[Andrew Schultz]

why I thought it was going to be Timmy or Michael B. Is because At a certain point, the award shows are used to celebrate the actors and the next generation of actors that are going to carry the industry. So not saying that Leo's done it all like Leo's one of the goats, Mount Rushmore. But it's in the industry's best interest, I would imagine, to shine a light on these two young stars that are going to carry, you know, the next massive franchises for probably the next decade.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, actually, they say that, you know, you usually don't win an Oscar when you're young. They say the Academy doesn't reward your.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, Michael B. Michael B. Is how old? 40.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Look it up. I thought 30, probably 38, 36.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He might be in his. He might be like 40.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's the thing. Michael B. Is not young.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He might be just 40.

[Taylor]

He's 39.

[Charlamagne tha God]

39, yeah. So he'll be probably 40 this year.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's so it's like, if this is going to be one of the guys that's clearly going to be at the, you know, the pinnacle of 39, I can reward that. That's what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like 20 something.

[Andrew Schultz]

They made Leo wait, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

What did Leo get it for? What did he get his for? He got raped by a bear. Raped by the bear?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So, you know, Timmy got to pay his dues, bro. He ain't getting raped by a bear yet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Got to pay your dues. You know, this is probably the best

[Andrew Schultz]

thing that could happen to me because now he'll have the redemption arc and then when he does win, it'll be a lot bigger. Yeah. WWE is like, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do your girlfriend's mother's biopic, bro. That'll get you the Oscar. Do your girlfriend's mother's biopic. That'll get you to Oscar, boy. That'll get you to Oscar. Which mom? That'll get you to Oscar. Which mom? You know, the mom I'm talking about the mom that if they say, what were you like in the 90s? What were you like?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, that. What were you like in the 90s? That's anti trans propaganda.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's. Why don't we talk about that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why don't we talk about that? What were you like in the 90s? Why are you making these people out their old lives? It's not include that. Everybody can go back to the 90s to celebrate that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

An inclusive challenge.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's not, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It is not an inclusive challenge.

[Andrew Schultz]

Challenge. Charlie, man, your mic turn it around.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It is not an inclusive challenge. You are absolutely right about that. Yeah, 100% correct. Let's pay some bills, huh? What?

[Taylor]

Taylor, it goes for you, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whoa. What do you mean, whoa?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's crazy. Why?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why did I get a shot?

[Andrew Schultz]

I know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why did you shoot at me just

[Taylor]

when you did yours?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What did I do?

[Taylor]

No doubt.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What did I do for my 90s challenge but post videos and pictures of me from the 90s? Taylor. Why are you hating on me? Taylor.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Taylor. Taylor. Taylor. Taylor. Taylor. Let's pay some bills. Taylor. Taylor. Taylor. Taylor.

[Andrew Schultz]

Taylor.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gang. Taylor. Tattle. Taylor.

[Andrew Schultz]

Taylor. Did you give us your opinion on the Oscars or did you give us your opinion on. On Jack's album or anything else?

[Taylor]

I haven't heard Jack Harlow's album at all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You ain't missing nothing.

[Taylor]

But I didn't like this, but I don't think I like the name Monica for some reason. It bothers me, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The.

[Andrew Schultz]

The speed in which the Internet turned that into the N word was hilarious.

[Taylor]

Huh?

[Andrew Schultz]

You didn't see this one. It's like the only way the. A white person can say my. Oh, none of y'. All.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What happened? I missed it.

[Taylor]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andrew Schultz]

Monica is close. Closest thing a white person can say.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow. Yo, Jack. Yo, Jack. That's up. Jack. Jack.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Low key. Charlotte. You can see him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Carlo, that is up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on, bro, you're thinking too hard.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're thinking too hard. Jack gonna say that and slip up. Watch. Jack gonna be in some interview and be like, why'd you name it like that? And he was like, Monique. Monique. And he going to flee. He going to say slip. He gonna slip. Yo, why did he name it Monica?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think he loved a girl named Monica. Why is that so hard to believe?

[Taylor]

Monica.

[Andrew Schultz]

How do you know she's black?

[Charlamagne tha God]

She's highly.

[Taylor]

I've never met a white girl named Monica.

[Andrew Schultz]

You never met a white girl. I'm not even saying it. I'm not even.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That woman is. You never knew a Mo.

[Andrew Schultz]

You never knew a white girl named Mo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know who this album would have been good. Drew Ski. If Drewski would have put this album out.

[Andrew Schultz]

Biggest album on the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

With a visual. You know what I'm saying? Everybody be like, yo, this shit is hilarious. This shit slaps. Stop it. It's the fact that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let him live, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We can't. It's the fact that Jake is an actual artist putting this out. I mean, Jack. That Jack is an actual artist putting this out. If Drew puts out this same album

[Andrew Schultz]

in white Face or drum?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no, no. Just the same album. Just him singing R and B, doing the visuals, you know, pretending to be a Neo song artist. Cuz he's already done that. Out of here.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, if.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Out of here.

[Andrew Schultz]

If you're a. If you're a marketing genius like you are, and you have to sit down with Jack during this time, what do you tell him to do?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Buckle up, buddy. Buckle up.

[Taylor]

Up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You up. You up. Should have came to me before you decided to put this shit up. And cuz if you would have let me hear this album, I would have said, you know what? Drew's your guy. Give this to Drewski. Comedians do R and B and it's funny. Eddie Murphy party all the time.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's a great song.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Boogie in the butt. Fire. Boogie in the butt. You remember boogie in the butt? No, Eddie Murphy did boogie in the butt. You remember boogie in the butt?

[Taylor]

I don't know if it was Eddie Murphy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's Eddie Murphy. Boogie in the butt. Boogie in the butt. Freaking. Now, Jamie was different. Cause Jamie's actually ridiculously talented.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's a trained musician.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's unbelievably talented. So Jamie actually makes real music, right? Duvall is talented, but Duvall still makes things that are, like, comical if he wants to. Huh?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yanked his dick. That's for you, Jed. That's for you, Tim. It's his payback.

[Taylor]

But he didn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

He said. He said. He said, huh? That's couch.

[Charlamagne tha God]

As long as your mouth. Yeah, that's. That's as long as your mouth is open. I can put something in it. All I'm saying is if Jack Harlow would have gave this album to Drew, and Drew would have did a visual to all the songs. Playing around, laughing. Not even all the songs. Just a couple of them. Out of here, we'd be sitting around like, yo, this shit for the spring and summer, People will be playing this shit on the radio. People be playing this shit in the clubs. Cause it's Drew Ski. And that's the problem with this project. It looks like a sketch. It looks like a skit. It looks comical. I can't take it serious.

[Andrew Schultz]

Gotta listen to this. Come on. If he wasn't white, could you take it serious?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's not even about the white greatness.

[Andrew Schultz]

What if he was. What if he was in Asian?

[Charlamagne tha God]

The music just isn't good. The music just is not good, man. It's really not one song.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't hear it, bro. I don't hear it. The music isn't just. It's not good. The reason it would work for a Druski, because it's Drew Ski. So you'd be listening to it, and it wouldn't even. Yeah, here you go. What's this? What's this called? Can you not imagine Drew. Imagine if that was Drew Ski walking down the street just like that. You'd be laughing. He's got. He sound like he playing.

[Taylor]

If le.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, you wouldn't listen. All you got to do is get that little beat with the little drum, and all you got to do is gon work hard on. On this, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is.

[Taylor]

This sounds like

[Charlamagne tha God]

somebody's art you were on. That's all you got to do is just change directions with the same melody. Look down, It's the same melody. Melody in 20 different directions.

[Taylor]

Or if he needs album. Sarah,

[Andrew Schultz]

Karen. You gotta name it Karen. Turn your mic upside down. It's upside down. Turn it all the way back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Naming the album Sarah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Turn it the other way. Yeah, yeah. What were you gonna say, Chris?

[Chris]

I was gonna say you were on a film set with him, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. Yeah, I did. White men can't jump too.

[Chris]

White man can't jump. Stuck with.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Chris]

You said that he was one of the most confident people you'd ever been.

[Andrew Schultz]

Very confident.

[Chris]

Like I think you were saying, not

[Andrew Schultz]

try hard at all.

[Chris]

When they were giving him direction, he wasn't uncomfortable. He was accepting. So I think he'll be all right with this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what's so crazy? This is when you know somebody's art is whack because you gotta start talking about how good of a person he is.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How confident. Yes. He's a. I didn't say he was a great guy. I like Jack Harlow. If Jack Harlow walked in here right now, I'd be like, jack what? What up? I like Jack Harlow. This is just not a good project. He's a great guy. Every time I met him. He's had a great spirit. He's funny. All of that. This is just not good. That's it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I expected there to be more singing if you called it an R and B.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like that wasn't really singing. Now you understand us. Now you understand us. I ain't look up.

[Andrew Schultz]

I like his other.

[Taylor]

I like his other songs, but I don't know. I feel like you can't bite enough of Leon Thomas.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Stop disrespecting Leon Thomas like that.

[Taylor]

The beat of it sounds a little Leon Thomas.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, listen, I am all for artists creating whatever they want to create in the studio, but once you give it to Us, the public, we get to create content.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay. All right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Salute to Jack Harlow, though, man.

[Chris]

Are there any white RB singers that you think.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are you talking about? Robin Thicke. What are we talking? Robin Thicke is phenomenal.

[Andrew Schultz]

Walking in Memphis.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Have you ever heard the evolution of Robin Thick? Yo, I listened to the Evolution of Robin Thicke album last night. Cause I got into an argument with. I'm not gonna say who. And they was like, I don't know. The Jack Harlow album kind of remind me of the evolution of Robin Thicke. And I almost fucking lost it. I was like, do you understand? I said, not only did I interview Robin Thicke today, but I said, do you understand the evolution of Robin Thick had Lost without you on it. Oh, Jack Harlow wish he could make something like Lost without you. Shooters with Lil Wayne. And on that, you ready? The. The title track with Faith Evans. Oh, my God.

[Andrew Schultz]

Best white R and B singer of all time.

[Chris]

Who you say.

[Andrew Schultz]

You guys know?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, that beat is phenomenal.

[Andrew Schultz]

You guys know this song?

[Taylor]

I heard the beat. I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know. Once this hits.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Is that Ray Lasagna?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's Ray Lasagna.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Most people don't even know this guy's white.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's the way you do it.

[Taylor]

There's a lot. No, no, no. There's a lot of songs that black people take in and do not realize.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You have no clue.

[Taylor]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's his name? It's Ray something.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ray Lasagna.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it's not. It's Ray Lamp, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's Ray Lamontane. You know it. Give me that verse, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ray Lasagna. Hold on. All right, all right.

[Taylor]

Color me bad, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tina Marie, Daryl Hall.

[Taylor]

Tina Marie, for sure.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Robin Thicke, John B.

[Andrew Schultz]

Here it is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know it, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You are the best.

[Chris]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah, I've heard it. You haven't heard this song, Taylor?

[Taylor]

I heard it, but I don't know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's fire. Yeah, that's good. Now, you can't play that and then play Jack Harlow.

[Andrew Schultz]

And this is like a Ben Affleck,

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran.

[Chris]

Now these.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hold on, hold on.

[Chris]

I'll be Hatching Field is the type of person we're talking about.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I got Robin Thicke is my guy. And Tina Marie.

[Chris]

Tina Marie is a separate category.

[Andrew Schultz]

Robin Thicke, Phenomenal, Phenomenal. Ed. Ed dabbles in the R B. Can do it all. Yeah, Ed did it. Ed is so beloved. But I think Ed started in white music. White music, Whatever the That means. I mean, what does he does rock? Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What is his? All music is our music. What is. Ed Sheeran can do whatever the fuck.

[Andrew Schultz]

He can do whatever he wants. But why is he. And is it just because of the level of music or is he so beloved? Is it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's talented. Ed can get up there with just a guitar.

[Andrew Schultz]

Jack's talented too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not.

[Taylor]

Not like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not like Ed Sheeran.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ed Sheeran is a singular talent. I saw Ed Sheeran at MSG with just a guitar, creating. He did the whole show at Madison Square Garden. Just a guitar and a loop pedal. He created the drums by hitting the guitar.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was unbelievable. Ed could stand in front of. In front of anybody from anywhere in the world. Because music is the only thing that's universal on this planet. Music and math, food and food. And sex.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I didn't know sex is universal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sex is definitely universal. Yeah, bro. What you mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think it's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Explain to me why before I continue. We all need sex to procreate. Sex is universal. Everybody's second sexing. Even if you're gay. Sex is universal. Everybody loves sex, bro. Everybody's in some way, shape or form.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know, man. I. I've been married, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Taylor]

What the hell?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, you're right. But Ed, stand up in front of anybody.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

With that guitar. And they. And whether you knew what was going on, you'll be like, oh, British.

[Chris]

British doesn't count, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wait, why is that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Doesn't count?

[Chris]

Because British have more soul than American white singers.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whoa, yo, that's a fact. Yo, chill. Chill your ass out. That's a fact over there. Don't you dare. My cortisol. My cortisol.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't you Phil Collins.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't you Sting. Hold on. Phil Collins.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Phil Collins.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know Phil Collins?

[Charlamagne tha God]

George Michael in the air of the night.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know Phil Collins.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but I think. I never thought about it, but I think Chris Arden or something.

[Chris]

Listen, John, they don't have the hang ups that white American R and B singers have.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, they ain't tripping off whether or

[Andrew Schultz]

not they're going to be. But they're also observers. They're observers of the music. It's not inside them like it is white America.

[Chris]

No, there's a whole theory on this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Chris is right. There's a soul that exists there that I never thought about. But you're right, Chris.

[Andrew Schultz]

What are we doing right now?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are we doing right now? There's a wave of what are we doing?

[Chris]

Famous white R and B singers coming out of England in the 60s, all the great Steve Winwood.

[Andrew Schultz]

They don't got one. Ray Lasagna. They don't have one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He might be from there, but they got a Phil Collins. Phil. Is that a George Michael, bro?

[Andrew Schultz]

What I respect about the British ones is, is they don't try to dress the part. So like Ed Sheeran is Ed Sheeran through and through. It's not like when he does the rap or the R and B that all of a sudden he puts on the costume. Like they, like Phil Collins was out there looking like he works in like a finance office. He was wearing like a button down.

[Chris]

Peter Gabriel's an even better vocalist than Phil Collins came in. No, but see the difference is that wave came out of post World War II England.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right. Got you.

[Chris]

They were raised in a bombed out society with rations.

[Andrew Schultz]

They needed that struggle.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They needed that.

[Andrew Schultz]

They had the in them.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Amy Winehouse from British. Right, Absolutely. Amy Winehouse, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can I. Can I just make an argument?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sure.

[Andrew Schultz]

American country. American country music has the same soul. Is the soul, Right?

[Chris]

They don't have the hang ups either.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly.

[Chris]

They're just doing what. What feels natural to them. It's theirs. It's not cooperative.

[Andrew Schultz]

They also have the. The pain of. Now we got to be equal. You know what I mean? Like burning exact.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's burning them inside.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like we got to work. Like they're furious about that. So it's coming out through the music.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's the same way.

[Chris]

I can't put Jokic or Luca in the same category as a white American basketball player.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know if America came from Serby. Same soul as British.

[Andrew Schultz]

My brother. My brother.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it's. I think. I think we're mixing pain with soul.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't get me started, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think we're mixing PA with. We're conflating pain with soul.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't get me started with my man Tennessee Whiskey.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There's a difference between pain and soul.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tennessee Whiskey.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like when I listen to Jelly Roll, I hear a pain.

[Andrew Schultz]

But he got some soul in there too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, there's some soul. There's a spirit. There's a spirit there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Chris Stapleton. You don't think Chris Stapleton has soul Informer

[Charlamagne tha God]

down. That's what he did, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Never disrespectful, ever. Don't you ever disrespect Snow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I would never disrespect Jack Harlow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay? But this is like their best country

[Charlamagne tha God]

song ever made n. It's Some country songs?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but that's like the top.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tennessee Whiskey's fire. I. With Tennessee Whiskey, Chris Stapleton is Chris Stapleton Fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Amazing, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He fire. Listen, Chris Stapleton fire everything you hear on Bur in the Ditch Satire they

[Andrew Schultz]

haven't heard the past five, five minutes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because unless we can't play that song or. And we can't play none of that.

[Taylor]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, man. Let's pay some bills then. Pay some bills, Schultzie. So good. So good. So good.

[Taylor]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

All my shows. TheAndrewShultz.com we got a few up right now in Nashville. I'll see you guys this weekend. Excited about that. And now for you, Sharla.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Thank you to everybody who went out there and bought 2 Chain's book. The voice in My Head is God. Y' all put it on the New York Times bestsellers list. I wanna let you know that the next release from Black Privilege Publishing is coming out March 31, and it'll be Arsenio Hall's memoir, Arsenio. And I'm telling you, it's one of the great, greatest memoirs I ever read in my life. I could be biased because, you know, he's one of my entertainment idols. But I'm telling you, man, entertainment memoir wise, the 90s was fantastic. But what I really want to talk to y' all about is the fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival is happening April 25th at Pullman Yards in Atlanta, Georgia. Doors open at 11:00am Let me tell you the podcast that are going to be on the lineup. We got my girl Mona with the Don't Call Me White girl shit. Jeff Teague and the gang will be there with the Club 520 podcast. We got Crystal Renee Haslett, she'll be there with the Keep It Positive Sweetie podcast. My man Carlos King will be there with the Reality with the King podcast, Grits and Eggs podcast. My man Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cupcat, they'll be there. And my guys, DJ EFN and N O R E the Drink Champs, they will be on that podcast stage, man. So tickets go on sale. Tickets are on sale sale right now. Go to blackffect.com podcast festival to go get your tickets. You know, we got all of the usual things that we always have, the pitchy podcast platform, we have the Black Effect Marketplace. We got all the food trucks, all the things that you would want from the Black Effect Podcast Festival. And we got panels teaching you about the business of podcasting. And AI, my man John Hope Bryant's gonna be on the pan. Ian Dunlap's gonna be on the panel. Tika Sumter is on the panel. Just a whole host of others. And we'll be announcing like the guests that'll be on the podcast very soon, man. So yes, go get your tickets. Blackffect.com podcast festival. Yeah, I'm just blessed to be able to do this four years in a row, man. The way podcasting has grown and continues to grow will never cease to. Because I don't think people realize how young the genre is. How young is the genre, Chris. 15, 16 years, maybe.

[Chris]

Let's call it 15.

[Charlamagne tha God]

15 years. And now you already got streaming platforms licensing podcasts to be on their platforms. We're able to have festivals based off podcasts. And you never know if something is truly successful or podcast popular if people aren't willing to pay a ticket to come see it. And podcasting is. Is that like. I don't. Black Effect is not the only podcast festival out there. There's a. You know, there's others, but, you know, we do ours every year in Atlanta, so. April 25th. See y' all there, man. What else we got? I was reading the story. That's why I was a little shook up. I'm not shook up, but I was like, what the. Cause I felt. I heard this shit. They said a meteor crashed in Cleveland, Ohio. You heard about that? Yeah. It said a massive boom that shook northeast Ohio and was reportedly heard as far away as New York was the result of a rare daytime meteor. The fireballs creaked across the sky just before 9am and dramatic video posted online showed the media flare up as they entered the atmosphere. Locals flocked to social media to report that the boom was so powerful that it rattled their houses and even knocked pictures off the wall walls. Meteorologist Jeff Tainecheck of 19 News said the boom was the result of the meteor breaking the sound barrier, meaning it was traveling at least 767 miles per hour at the time, according to the National Weather Service in Cleveland. The latest GLM imagery does. Does suggest the boom was the result of a meteor, referencing the geostationary lightning mapper, which the weather service uses to count lightning strikes during the storm. I don't believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is a video. Believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's see. You think it's a bomb? Think somebody reach. Somebody reached us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You hear it unmuted?

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, yeah, but unmute.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Keep.

[Andrew Schultz]

Keep playing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whoa. What the was that, bro?

[Andrew Schultz]

Did I get that on my dash cam?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whoa. Nah, bro. Let me tell you how I know that's something else. Don't they tell you when medias are coming into the atmosphere?

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly, exactly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They've always told us when medias and. Are coming to the atmosphere. Comments and all. Comments and all that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, they see when something's on a trajectory for.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can't just miss a media.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't miss no media. I heard that in New York, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Look for the impact. Shut up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I promise you. We were sitting in the interview. Interview. And I was like, yo, what the fuck was that? And in my mind, I'm just thinking, like, as we're in the city. So I just heard a boom. I promise you, I heard that. Yo,

[Taylor]

can I ask a dumb question?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Of course. It's yours.

[Taylor]

Okay. You know how we had to pay taxes for like, mad shit? Do we pay NASA for, like, stopping meteors coming?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Stopping meteors from.

[Taylor]

They don't stop it, do they?

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that's his government funded, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. So technically we do pay NASA, but you can't. There's not much to stop meteor.

[Taylor]

We can't stop him.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, there was a whole movie about it called Armageddon. And it was like it was going to be the end of the world and we had to split the meteor in half. So we sent some guys that were professional drillers into space.

[Taylor]

We don't have like a machine to.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, not yet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was not a meteor. That was fucking either Thor's hammer or some type of extraterrestrial.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, where's the. Where's the. The zone in which it lands?

[Taylor]

Cleveland, right now?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but, like, they gotta have a damage zone, like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where did it land? Nah, you're right. Where the did it land?

[Andrew Schultz]

They're saying it broke up by the time it reached.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, right. All right, we just saw the. And that broke the sound barrier. And we can watch it on video, clear as day in the daytime.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's in. Most of it burned up in the atmosphere, so no major impact.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Impact happened? Nah, bro. Why didn't it come?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's. I think that was. Well, if there was no impact, they don't gotta tell us it's coming.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, you gotta tell us the media is coming, yo, because stuff like that can cause mass hysteria.

[Taylor]

They say it may near Bay Village. Like, they don't even know where it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, bro, we gotta. We gotta see where that is, Bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you hear about the dolphins who kidnapped the dude and took him under the water and made him build a city? You didn't hear about that? Look it up. What do I look at dolphins kidnapping a guy. Look at. Look up. Dolphins kidnapping. So then my phone could just be

[Andrew Schultz]

like, shut up, retard.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, what I'm telling you. Listen, at some point, y' all gonna have to start leaning into some of this and believe in some of it.

[Taylor]

They made. So the dolphins made him build, Bro,

[Charlamagne tha God]

I've been around a long time. What.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do dolphins do in a city,

[Charlamagne tha God]

huh?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, the dolphins are making him build a city. What. What would the dolphins utilize the city?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you think we do in the city?

[Andrew Schultz]

Go to work.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Trust me. There was a. Trust me. There's a higher life form up there that created us. And somebody said, what the fuck with those things you made called humans do in a city?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, a city makes sense for us and dolphins. The dolphin doesn't want to sit on a desk.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How do you know? Dolphins are smart as shit.

[Taylor]

I see it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't tell dolphins.

[Taylor]

What you talking about this person?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Play this shit. Yo, yo, yo.

[Taylor]

This Florida man claims to have been kidnapped by dolphins and forced to build an underwater city. The man was found early Monday morning on the side of a beach in Lee county, soaking wet, dehydrated and confused. When deputies arrived, he was drawing detailed diagrams in the sand. According to the man, a pot of dolphins took him while he was swimming and brought him to a place about 40ft under the surface. He said they forced him to help build underwater structures. He told deputies the dolphins communicated with him using clicks. He said the group had a leader named Gerald who somehow helped him breathe underwater, possibly by creating an airspace. The man spent three days working on what he described the cities, towns and condo like structures.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on. So dolphins communicate with clicks?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, come on, come on, come on.

[Andrew Schultz]

You might not like the direction. No, I think this is a reasonable question.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know exactly where he's going. Come on.

[Andrew Schultz]

If they communicate with clicks, why don't we ask some people that have clicks in their language if they know what they're saying? Saying.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And have you heard the theory of humans evolving from dolphins?

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, dolphins have a bigger brain than human beings.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

So maybe the people with the clicks are the only people smart enough to understand the dolphin. That's not reasonable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir. Dolphins are Africans. That's what he's saying. Let's just get to it.

[Andrew Schultz]

No need for the forehead. The headline for us, they got the

[Charlamagne tha God]

four dolphins are African. Come on, guys. Come on. Y' all not using your brains. That's why dolphins are smarter than y' all and they kidnapping y' all and making them work for them now.

[Taylor]

I just don't understand.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we reached the idiot.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me just clarify. Let me just clarify. I don't think they're speaking the same language, but in the same way that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How do you know they're not?

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, you know how, like Spanish and French have similar words? Okay, maybe that's where it's at. Where like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a romance. Quick language.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir. I was thinking, why do we have

[Andrew Schultz]

clicks and they have clicks and there's no way that we can Understand each other?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

Have we tried it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's. It's Hausa, right? Is that the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like. Fuck. What is it called?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, the mo. The moment that everybody starts realizing we're all intertwined and we're all one, the world is going to be a better place.

[Taylor]

I don't think people are questioning that. I think them. Him taking a person down, building a city is questionable.

[Andrew Schultz]

How do they take.

[Taylor]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like how do they.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you know, dolphins can create this type of smoke ring.

[Taylor]

I do know that. I do know that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That you can breathe underwater. Humans.

[Taylor]

I know they can help humans bring underwater.

[Andrew Schultz]

So man, we're not going to do this.

[Taylor]

No, no, no. Dolphins get high too.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they do get high. That is true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She. I'm just telling you. I don't know how y' all not. I don't see how y' all can dismiss anything nowadays. Everything should be on the table. At some point people gotta open up their minds and start realizing everything possibly could be true. There is no reason to dismiss anything in 2026. Everything should be on the fucking table. Just say you don't know. I see a story like that and I'll be like, I don't know. Cuz they're not giving me nothing else to it. They're not telling me that the dude was high. They said they gave him a toxicology report and he was perfectly sober. Nobody saying he got any mental health issues. They say they found him on the beach, sunburned and disordered.

[Taylor]

Did he finish the city?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. You gotta go back. No press play. If you press play, it'll tell you that you gotta go back. You gotta go back.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think we gotta check the blow

[Taylor]

holes on those dolphins towns and condo like structures. When the dolphins were satisfied with his work, they sent him back to the surface and told him they would return for phase two. Medical staff treated him for dehydration but found no signs of head injury or mental confusion. Tests showed seawater and marine particles in his lungs, suggesting he had been deep underwater for a long time without typical lung damage. This was unusual and raised questions for doctors. The man holds a master's degree in aerospace engineering and has experience with deep sea technology. This is why the dolphins chose.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just now realize that you just now realized no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why don't y' all give the dolphins they credit? Dolphins smarter than you. You look like a dolphin a little bit, Alex. Like you look like you evolved from dolphins.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You do compliment dolphins Yo, I don't know why y' all can't believe this. Why is this so unbelievable to y'? All. You don't even have a reason. You don't have a reason. I'm not saying it's true. But you don't have a reason to

[Taylor]

say it's not, because why do they need. They've been swimming in water all this time. Why do they need a city?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who said they don't already have them? Have you ever heard of Atlantis? You don't know if they already got cities or not.

[Taylor]

No, you're right. You're absolutely right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Atlantis was a human city

[Taylor]

underwater.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Underwater. No. Yes, it was. No, this is underwater.

[Andrew Schultz]

It sank. It was originally a human city above water. So the lost city of. And then everybody died.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So what do you think the dolphins have been doing with it?

[Andrew Schultz]

You think they reclaimed it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You think that there's a whole city underwater and all of the fish are just riding by it? They not going to have a good time in that.

[Andrew Schultz]

What would they do?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What you mean? They play games like goldfish. You know what I mean? Shit like that. What are you talking about? I don't like the fact that y' all are just dismissing this shit for no reason, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

People make this slop for you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You buy it. You are

[Charlamagne tha God]

okay. I'm eating this shit the fuck up, dude. I have no reason to not believe any of this shit in 2026. And I'm not saying I do believe it. I'm just saying I have no reason not to believe it either. Y' all gonna see some straight.

[Andrew Schultz]

Y', all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We are going to see some crazy shit over the next decade, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think we're just going to stop

[Charlamagne tha God]

looking like we're not even going to believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think we're going to stop looking like once you can't believe anything, you just stop looking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We established that early in the podcast. That's why people will leave social media. That's why you're the return of Christ.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's why what?

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's why you're going to miss the return of Christ. If Jesus came back right now and everybody started posting it on social media, nobody would believe. Yo, nobody would believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you think he's going to postpone opponent?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're not coming back for what?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, eventually, yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Once we gone, he's like, you know, he's like, we got rid of all of the riff raff. Let's clean this place up, just us and the dolphins.

[Ryan Coogler]

The Third Temple.

[Chris]

It's happening for real, right now, like, with real consequences. If you look at, like, the Nethianu death videos, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Chris]

Like, I've been following that for the last four days.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, what's the. What's the.

[Chris]

I don't know. Is the. Is the honest answer, Chris.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And another one of my homeboys constantly, every day. Like, I think Netanyahu's dead, bro. Like, yo, they really got me believing Netanyahu's dead. I don't know. They said this two weeks ago. They said his brother was dead two weeks ago.

[Chris]

That I'm not so sure about. But so he's. It's gotten big enough that he's released videos addressing it that are intended to dispel it.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then people are like, those are AI.

[Chris]

And they're breaking it down. Yo, he has a ring on in this shot, but then when he goes down like this, you don't see the ring anymore. And I will say. I mean, they're obviously staged in the sense that he's trying to create scenes to prove that he's alive, but something feels off about the videos.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, let me ask you a question. If he was deceased, what would that mean as far as the war and everything else?

[Chris]

It would be a significant. I mean, outside of the. There's a whole thing with Israel that they have the ultimate defenses. You can't break them.

[Taylor]

You can't.

[Chris]

You know, you can only kill someone like Netanu if there's some sort of interior leak. Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Isn't it Netanyahu?

[Chris]

Probably.

[Andrew Schultz]

I was wondering. I was like, have. Have we been saying it's Jewish? I'm like, I don't want to correct him. He probably knows how to say it.

[Chris]

What's the correct pronunciation?

[Andrew Schultz]

I thought it was Netanyahu.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Chris pronounces it like he just hit a shot in Yahoo. Like he shot at Yahoo. Like he shot a basket at Yahoo. And it went in.

[Chris]

He went to high school with my mother, in fact, in.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's right outside of Philly, Cheltenham High.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Is that true? I saw that, too. Is that true?

[Chris]

Cham High notable alumni outside of my mother and him also Reggie Jackson also.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Stroke on 2. Who stroke on this Dick?

[Charlamagne tha God]

God damn. Now.

[Andrew Schultz]

I saw that one, Chris.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I saw that one.

[Chris]

Well, he did say stroke.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I saw that one coming.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You got to blame that on your age.

[Chris]

I had a friend who just.

[Andrew Schultz]

I had a. No, no.

[Chris]

I have a friend who just had a stroke. So the second I heard stroke, my mom.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's when, you know, you get old. When back in the day, you hear stroke? You think stroking. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Stroke got a different connotation.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, damn, for real.

[Andrew Schultz]

No way. You got him. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. I don't know if he's dead or not. I, I, I just wanted to know what would that mean if he was like, that don't mean the war is over.

[Andrew Schultz]

No. But I'm sure Iran would claim a

[Charlamagne tha God]

huge W. Who would be, who would take control in Israel if he. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Who is the number two?

[Chris]

They have a hierarchy, just like we do, or any democracy has to that point. You would think that if Iran had pulled that off, they would want people to know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Maybe they don't know, Maybe they don't know. I mean, I don't know, maybe they don't know.

[Chris]

But the point is that he has to address it multiple times, not just one time.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because something that is potentially fake on the Internet, Internet can gain traction and become real.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And we really just can't trust anything. To your point, it's like you can't, you can't say anything is 100 fake anymore. And you can't say anything is 100 real.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's all I'm saying. And I don't know why we not there yet. I'm there.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's a weird.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And by the way, I'm, I, I, that, that keeps me sane. Because I'm not gonna spend the rest of my life wondering if something is real. So if I watch. And by the way, I've always approached life like that. If I see something, I'm either, I don't have to believe it. I don't have to not believe it. I'm just indifferent about it. I can listen to some information or watch something and not be influenced by it either way. Now, if I am influenced by it. Cause I'm choosing to be. And I don't even think that's influenced. It's like, all right, I'm leaning, I'm going to this side with it. You know what I'm saying? So everybody's sending me this stuff about Netanyahu. I don't, okay, is he dead? Is he alive? I don't know. I don't know. I can only, I only check off what I know to be true. And the things that I know to be true is stuff like the FCC chair threatening people if they don't fucking have positive coverage of the war.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can hate the regime in Iran. You can say they do horrible things to their people. They obviously do. And then also say that there was no imminent threat to the United States of America.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Simple.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like those Things can be true, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Simple, simple. Why can't we keep asking the question of, hey, y' all told us y' all got rid of the nuclear. Their nuclear. Their capability to make nuclear weapons last summer.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you either lying about that or you lying now. There's a lie here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Now. Now all I've been seeing all weekend is, are Democrats anti Semitic? Should Democrats push back against anti. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what is going on? All of the things going on in the world. World. All of the things we could be discussing around this world. And these are the questions, since when

[Andrew Schultz]

people are coming with, since when can we be. Not be against war intervention? Like, this is a very popular sentiment in the United States of America. It doesn't start now. I mean, think about what happened during the Vietnam War. One of the greatest ever in history. Muhammad Ali got locked up for his views on this. Right. So this is like a long standing feeling. Right. So the idea that, like, all of a sudden now that we have to unanimously support it. If anything, I think what it exposes is like, how much? How much. And again, I wasn't alive at this time, but I would imagine that the news was far more propagandized at that time. Like, were there outlets, popular outlets at the time that were not pushing for war?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm sure.

[Chris]

Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing with Vietnam was it was the first war that was televised.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So it was more just by them showing images from. From the ground, the battlefield.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Isn't that when the tide changed, though?

[Chris]

That's. That's what swayed public opinion. Yeah, especially with the Tet offense.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's when they started drafting these white kids. That's when it started swaying. So call it what it is, bro.

[Chris]

Well, I mean, that's on the table now, too.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I'm saying back then, once they started drafting the white kids, all of a sudden it was like, whoa, what the fuck are we doing over here?

[Chris]

Yeah, So I don't know. I've never seen a moment like this. I can say that much.

[Andrew Schultz]

Crazy.

[Chris]

Everybody's. I don't even know what the sides are. Are anymore. Like, there are so many different agendas attacking each other. It's chaos.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even think people are saying that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sides.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even know if it's sides. It's like, that's what I'm saying. Interests, like the sides are all disconnected and divided in certain groups.

[Chris]

Interests are conflicting each other.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's. But like, I think what's happening now politically is interesting. You have, like, Democrats that are supporting it, Democrats politicians that are supporting it, and Democrat politicians against it. You have Republican politicians supporting and Republican politicians against it. Right. So it's like it's not even. Even the. Both political sides can come to an agreement about what the parties want.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think Governor Josh Shapiro gave one of the best takes on it when he was on Bill Maher this weekend.

[Andrew Schultz]

What did he say?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He just was simply saying, because Bill. I don't want to say Bill is for it, but it feels like Bill feels. And I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it sounds like he understands why we're there. We should have took the regime out, blah, blah, blah, this and that. But Governor Shapiro was just simply saying a president who said they were anti war and weren't going to start any new wars has a duty and an obligation to tell the American people why we're over there. What is the reason.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Josh Shapiro]

What I would do and what the President of the United States failed to do was be clear with the American people about what the hell we were doing here. Was the plan to go after the nuclear weapons. The weapons, by the way, he said, were destroyed seven years ago or seven months ago. Pardon me. Was the plan to go and do regime change, in which case, who the hell's gonna take over? I don't think the son's any better than the father. Was the plan to go in there later, but then you got forced because Netanyahu forced your hand. Remember, they said that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So it's a matter of clarity.

[Josh Shapiro]

Brought that back. I think if you don't have clarity on why you're going in, you have no way of knowing how the hell to get out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's so common sense to me.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I don't think Americans really get it. And I don't think Americans support this ide idea that, like, it's our job to take out all the bad guys around the world. No, like, I don't think that that's a popular sentiment for America. Like, there are plenty of bad guys. There are plenty of bad people that are in charge of countries. There's an unbelievable cost to taking them out. And that's the cost of American life. There's a financial cost that goes along that there's a cost of, like, sentiment at home. Like, further fracture home. Like, these are huge costs that we got to consider. And you owe us the dignity of an explanation. And when the explanations keep flip and flopping back and forth, we start to get very suspicious about why the fuck we're in there in the first place.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Simple as that. And it's really not rocket science in any way, shape, or form. And I don't know why people are afraid to have.

[Andrew Schultz]

But then. But then people. Then people do this shit like, oh, so you support the regime. It's like, what do we. What. Stop being disingenuous. Nobody supports a horrific.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But then you have the people who support, you know, Iran, and, you know, they got family in Iran who do want. Who do want regime change.

[Andrew Schultz]

I wouldn't blame them at all for wanting it. Why would. There's no way you could sit here and tell somebody who, you know, that their family is living through a horrible regime, oppressive regime. There's no way you can sit there and tell them, like, hey, you. For thinking what you feel.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But do you want missiles just raining down on your, you know, country and, you know, innocent people getting killed? I mean. I mean, that is war, sadly.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but what. What if it's more like, wouldn't you rather want an actual cohesive plan for that regime? Yeah, it doesn't even feel like they got a plan. That's the other thing. Like, there's no plan.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, put in, put in, put in his son who now wants revenge for the rest of his life. Nah, nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know, they don't got a plan when they start calling his son gay. That's when I knew they had no plan.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They called his son gay.

[Andrew Schultz]

They were like, oh, we got intelligence reports that the new ayatollah is gay. And I was like, oh, you guys got no clue what you're talking about.

[Ryan Coogler]

They really.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You already killed my dad. How much more matter do you want to make me?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Like, God damn, I was having a great conversation with a veteran. You know, I was. I don't know if this is true, but they were saying some of the troops refused. Refuse to go fight because they don't want to fight for another country. They feel like they're fighting this war on behalf of Israel.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, and now they're telling troops it's

[Charlamagne tha God]

a holy war, which is even crazier. Which is even crazier. But I was having a conversation with a veteran, and he was saying that's so crazy to him because when you sign up to be in the military, just go to war, like, you just, like, you know, that's what you train for. That's what you do. You just go to war. War. So, you know, it doesn't even really matter what the reason is if the, if the. Because you Never. He said, you never know what's going on in those back rooms anyway. So when they tell you that you got to go carry out a mission, you got to go carry out the mission. And I was like, damn, that's interesting. And then we started talking about, like, the draft. I don't know how we got on the subject of Muhammad Ali. And he was saying how, you know, Muhammad Ali didn't go to fight in Vietnam. And I said, well, that's a little bit different. Different than what you're saying because Muhammad Ali also didn't sign up to be in the military. Muhammad Ali was drafted, or anybody that was drafted, like, no, I'm not going to do that. But if you sign up. And then he was telling me about,

[Andrew Schultz]

you're basically saying you don't sign up for the wars you agree with. You sign up for whatever the commander in chief asks you to do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And he told me, he told me the name of the document. He's basically like, the military has its own constitution, institution.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I, I can't remember what it's called. He told me the name of the document. Look that up.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're saying you take some sort of oath.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That, that it's some sort of oath that's like, it's like they're, it's like they're. Let me see if I can look it up. What? Let me see.

[Andrew Schultz]

And while everybody's focusing on Iran, China's moving military towards Taiwan. Like they. Have you been seeing that, Chris?

[Chris]

Of course.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And Trump also is now trying, he's claiming he's trying to postpone his meeting with China. I suspect they already pulled the plug on him. He's just trying to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, it's the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It's a legal foundation that governs the US Military, similar to how the Constitution governs the country. So it governs service members, defines military laws, discipline and justice, and is enforced through military courts and court martials. So it covers criminal offense, military specific offenses, and it's enforced by commanding officers, military judges and court martial panels. It's not a replacement for the Constitution. The Constitution still applies to service members, but some rights are limited due to military needs, which is discipline, readiness and chain of command. So if the Constitution is the rulebook for the country, the UCMJ is the rule book for the military. So I don't know, guys, let's pay some bills, man, and do some asking idiots, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's do it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It.

[Taylor]

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[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not falling for nothing. You?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that's the Dune thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, let's do some asking. Idiots. Taylor gang.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't watch Dune?

[Taylor]

You got him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would I watch Dune? Who's in Dune?

[Andrew Schultz]

Michael B. Jordan. Nah, nah, it's Michael B. Jordan.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it's not. It's Timothy Charlemagne and Zendaya. Huh? Star the movie. Zendaya is definitely top billing in Doom. I ain't even know Timothy Salame was in it.

[Andrew Schultz]

You just said it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, cuz I've been hearing about it this whole week. I thought Zendaya was the star of Doom. Baby. Didn't know nothing about no Timothy. Shalom.

[Taylor]

That good of an actor.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who?

[Taylor]

I never. I never seen him act like he's Leonardo Doom.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's. He's good. He ain't better than Michael B. Jordan.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's phenomenal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He ain't better than Michael B. Jordan.

[Taylor]

Well, not a lot of people. But I know a lot of people

[Charlamagne tha God]

head up this year. Michael B. Jordan beat him head up this year.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but he had a two on one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He did have a two on one. He did have a two on one. Mir Cobb says Charlotte can breathe underwater. He almost became wolf and he saw a spaceship. Is he alien himself? Yes, you. So are you. We're all extraterrestrial to somebody. Okay? You think that we're just earthlings, the only thing floating out here on this planet?

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You realize there's people on another planet or some type of beings on another planet talking about us as being aliens, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

What?

[Taylor]

They probably don't know. But you think they know about us already. You think we're the sloth?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I absolutely think they know about us. I think that we are the most primitive life form in the solar system. Did you see Neil Degrasse Tyson? See, say if you look at chimpanzees and monkeys, they're like 2% less smarter than we are. 2%. So he said, think about how much 2% is in regards to humans compared to chimps. So imagine if something is 2% more intelligent than us, how advanced they would be.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he's saying they're 2% less intelligent than us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He said chimpanzees, chimps. Yeah, he said chimps. I think he said chimps.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think. I think they just have like 2% different DNA. I don't know if it's intelligences.

[Charlamagne tha God]

DNA, look it up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I think they're.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I thought you said intelligence.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I think they're significantly less intelligent. Are they? Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We're not the most. We're not the most intelligent creator. It takes a. It takes a lot for a human to actually become intelligent.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sure, but like we do absolutely amazing things. Like we created the Internet. Like there's no but.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's the point. Yeah, he said it's deep DNA.

[Ryan Coogler]

Non intelligence.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, is DNA.

[Taylor]

Yeah, but he said it says difference in DNA.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Look up the demographic page.

[Andrew Schultz]

I imagine we're like a million times smarter than them or something crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, bro, I'm telling you at least a hundred times. Oh, let me find this clip. See, now you got me wanting to find this clip because I don't want to be fucking paraphrasing Neil Degrassi Tyson because he literally was saying the difference in intelligence.

[Josh Shapiro]

It's the next closest animal to humans in intelligence. Chimpanzees, chimps, and what's the DNA difference? 2% tops. Only a 2% difference in DNA. And the chimp is stacking biological boxes. But we have poetry and music and the Hubble telescope. Now consider some other species 2% beyond us, just as we are 2% beyond the chimp. What would we look like to them? They would roll the smartest human for Stephen Hawking, roll him forward and say, this one is slightly smarter than the rest because he can do astrophysics calculations in his head like little Timmy over here who just came back from preschool. Alien Timmy. Oh, look, you just composed your 12th sonnet. That's beautiful. Oh, you just rederve the fundamental principles of calculus. Let's put it on the refrigerator door. Yes, that's what their toddlers would be doing because our Toddlers do what the smartest chimps do. If aliens came and they had only that much more intelligence than us, they could enslave the entire Earth and we wouldn't even know it. Maybe that has already happened.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They got us the guys with the smartphones. They enslaved us already with the motherfucking smartphones. We created it, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

Some guy who was adopted created it. So we don't even really know who his real parents like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why do we not? How you know somebody. They didn't come give us the technology.

[Andrew Schultz]

Steve Jobs might be an alien, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, what are we talking about?

[Andrew Schultz]

He was adopted.

[Charlamagne tha God]

R got the technology from extraterrestrials. We don't fucking know, bro. That's all I'm saying. All I'm saying, saying is 2% DNA difference. Think about the level of intelligence. So if something has a 2% DNA difference from us, as Neil Grassley Tyson said, how intelligent would they be?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Aliens don't need to be that much different. No, but there's a lot of intelligence difference within that 2%, clearly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But it don't seem like much, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Mr. Derek Jr says, are the folks y' all hang with, are they worried about the economy? Economy, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, everybody is worried about.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Everybody's worried about the economy. So.

[Andrew Schultz]

AI, uncertainty, cost of goods, the cost of oil. Because of this war.

[Charlamagne tha God]

100.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's. Yeah. Is. There's an existential crisis that is brewing. It's not even brewing. It exists for many people right now. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, the ones I know are trying to get the out of America. You.

[Andrew Schultz]

You've heard that? Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. It is interesting. But then where do they go?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I really don't know.

[Taylor]

Africa.

[Andrew Schultz]

You could go to Africa for sure.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm gonna be honest with you. I think the people that we're talking about who have the type of wealth, they're going places that we can't even imagine, bro. You think about all of these billionaires who over the last decade have been building all of these bunkers and these, you know, underground cities that you hear about. I know y' all heard that conspiracy theory that there's a whole underground city that they built already just for the elite.

[Taylor]

Well, they were talking about another planet, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not planning. But look up the under. Look up the underground city that they built just for the elites. They spent trillions of dollars on this over the years.

[Taylor]

There is a history of near extinction events. And one of the things that I've looked at because I'm trying to figure

[Charlamagne tha God]

out, you know, when?

[Taylor]

Between 19. Between fiscal 1998 and fiscal 2015, there were 21 trillion of undocumentable adjustments in the U.S. government. If you go to our website, missingmoney.solere.com, we have years and years of documentation, including the government financials that show this. And so the question is, where's all this money going? And one of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going to is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built.

[Chris]

I'm sorry.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm trying to tell y'. All. Listen, I don't. Everything should be on the table, guys. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk about the plot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you see it?

[Andrew Schultz]

You're talking about the plot of paradise, the TV show.

[Chris]

That's what you're.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I'm not talking about the plot of paradise, man. I'm talking about this underground city is some woman who used to work for something who said there's a whole underground city that they built just for the fucking elite.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whole fallout.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's not fallout, bro. I'm telling you. All of this. You know what, though, man? The sad part about all is we're gonna find all of this out too late.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Everything's gonna be crumbling down. The world's gonna be. And then be like, that was real. We didn't get the pot about it. Well, we did.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pot about it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We did.

[Andrew Schultz]

But now they called us crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They called us crazy, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shut up. Y' all gonna be in the city.

[Taylor]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, Charlemagne might. Yeah, no, Charlotte might. Like, that's how he knows about.

[Taylor]

You Already got the telling us they

[Andrew Schultz]

gonna have you do a radio over there, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I don't think so. We need our Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

We need our Breakfast Club in the bunker, Sharla.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I rather go out.

[Andrew Schultz]

If you had to choose one of your co hosts to come to the bunker with you to continue the Breakfast Club, who would you choose?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Envy.

[Taylor]

Yeah, the one you started with?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Taylor]

I'm just

[Andrew Schultz]

saying, Envy, he doesn't get to take his family, though.

[Taylor]

Damn.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that mean I don't get to take money. That's why I say I'd rather go out if it's just us. Nah, I'm good.

[Andrew Schultz]

What if you get to take your family and you get to take one other host from the Murphy's Club?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Envy wouldn't go.

[Taylor]

Yeah, exactly. Envy wouldn't even go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Envy wouldn't go.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you think he'd ask if he could do like Monday through Thursday.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Envy wouldn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Envy wouldn't got a long break.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He had to figure a deal.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, ask him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ask him about the deal outfit. Envy wouldn't figure a deal out. Envy would figure out a deal out. Envy got a family. Just got a family, so it has to be Lauren. All right, what else we got? Ooh, this is a good one. Echo the narrator says, how does Will Smith reestablish himself as a true star? Echo the narrator. Do I have news for you. Will Smith is a fucking superstar. Nothing has changed about Will Smith being a motherfucking superdar.

[Taylor]

Wait, hold on.

[Andrew Schultz]

This actually goes against. I think some of his decline was because he started showing too much of

[Charlamagne tha God]

who he really is. Will did not have a decline.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on.

[Taylor]

Come. Y' all made fun of his music. Y' all wanted to.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm the super. I'm the star.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was. That has nothing to do with anything. Put it like this. Let's say this. The slap. None of that. That happens. Right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Jack Harlow's new album or Will Smith's new listen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The slap. None of that happens. Oh, Will Smith, the slap. None of that happens.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right? That's just hating, bro. He's just hating.

[Charlamagne tha God]

None of that happens. Will wins the Oscar, gives a great speech. It's like, damn, salute Will. Like, we watched Will all of these years and he gets crowned the pinnacle. He puts out that album. Nobody gives a fuck. And we. And we might even say it's whack, but don't care. It's like, yeah, we not fucking with that album. But that still Will Smith. Will Smith is still Will Smith. Yeah, Bad boy. He's only done one movie since the so called Decline, and that made $300 million at the box office.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, but he's. He's taken a hit to his Persona.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't think he took a hit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This what I think happened. I think that we finally got to see the real him.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's. But that's the problem.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, damn, I thought you was guy who didn't curse. And you supposed to be so perfect. And the manicured Hollywood star. He's not that. He's a guy who got flaws and he's got vulnerability.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's what you were saying.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He lost cool at the Oscars.

[Andrew Schultz]

The superstars don't do that. Just be the character. Nobody needs to know who you are.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Will Smith is a prime example of why you probably.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's about to make your point. He's been disagreeing with him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't worry about It. But it's still gonna look like my point.

[Andrew Schultz]

Go, go, go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, Will Smith, I love it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just measure your cortisol.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Will Smith. Get your cortisol is a prime example of why you probably shouldn't always be so manicured.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you'll never be able to live up to that expectation at all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And when it's the biggest day of your life, the biggest day of your life, for whatever reason, you snap. That was always the scariest thing about the slap for me. The fact that somebody like Will and forget the Hollywood manicure. Will Smith is a person that we know has done the work on himself. Yeah, we know he's done the therapy. We know he does the plant based medicines. We know that, you know, he goes and visits the spiritual leaders. He's done the spiritual retreats. He's done all of this work on himself and he still snapped on the biggest night of his life. That's why you gotta give people like Michael B. Jordan credit. You gotta give people like Michael B. Jordan credit.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's fucking phenomenal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He could have snapped on the biggest night of his life. The night when he's crowned in everybody.

[Andrew Schultz]

He didn't snap at the.

[Taylor]

Why would he snap?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He didn't snap at the BAFTAs. At the BAFTAs. He kept his composure and kept his.

[Andrew Schultz]

He could have walked right off stage, beat the shit outta that dude. Nobody would have even questioned it. Think about cuz, we don't know that he got the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The Tourette's, but that could have probably ruined everything because they voted for the Oscars the day after the battle. But the fact that he kept his cool. And then when he won, he was so graceful when he won. And you just, you felt yourself rooting for this person. This man is hard, bro.

[Taylor]

I want them to speak up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ask Timothy how hard it is to keep you cool.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh my God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When it's your season, when it's supposed to be your season.

[Andrew Schultz]

What he was, they was, they were making jokes about him all night and he was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This motherfucker did a rap video. He said he was gonna get shot with Kendrick.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And he shitted on ballet and opera singers. In an interview with Matthew McConaughey on CNN.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's. What? What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's hard not to. He, it's hard not to fumble, bro. Will show you. Will showed you how easy it is to fumble.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're just connecting a bunch of bullshit together to paint a narrative.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Charlamagne showed you how easy it is. You went the triple fumble. Okay, but I just want y' all to know Will Smith is still a star. Will Smith walking here right now. Alex, you running to take a picture? I'm not running, but I'm gonna light jog.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's still fucking Will Smith.

[Andrew Schultz]

He is.

[Taylor]

Can't no one say he's not Will Smith though.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Will Smith, a star has not declined. Will Smith is a legend. He's an icon.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think that the brand. The brand has probably taken a hit. It doesn't mean that he's not an amazing actor. Incredibly accomplished music, like just an all around spectacular feel that his brand is taking a hit.

[Taylor]

You guys were making fun of his music.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We always made fun of Will Smith. Came on Breakfast Club. The first time Will Smith came on Breakfast Club. He quoted me the preferences though. Will Smith as a rapper is whack.

[Andrew Schultz]

The proof is this conversation.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. No, it's not.

[Andrew Schultz]

The legendary. The legendary meme of him sitting at the table having to find out that his wife.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wife is doing what she's doing, by the way.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come on, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way. If there was one chink in his armor. Oh, it's that day. Everything else was not been. That. That was the one day.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why do you think that was the one?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because that's wild.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is a human, that's why. What is it? Don't matter though. I don't want to talk about it.

[Ryan Coogler]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Does it have anything to do with

[Andrew Schultz]

people being on a podcast, talking to. No, there was too much talking. There was too much talking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ever confirmed your hoes?

[Taylor]

You still want to be a Pinkett Smith?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't. I am. I'm a full fledged Pinkett Smith. Winfrey knows Carter. Don't ever confirm your hoes. Men, women. I don't give a fuck what they say. Don't ever confirm your hoes. What? What you pointing for? I don't have. I'm just simply saying that if you have. If you have had. No. Okay, I'm gonna give you a better example.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, please.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Please. What do you tell him?

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

People know you. They see you on Breakfast Club. They see you on brain. Some dude that you used to don't ever confirm way, way back in the day. Way, way, way back in the day. Some dude. Some dude who might have been your best eater back in the day.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Trying to jump out the window talking about. About how he fucking with you. Taylor's been. Exactly. Why would you ever claim him?

[Taylor]

I wouldn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's my point. Don't ever confirm your hoes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shout out Trump. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Trump. Lives by that rule, Charlotte.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's all I'm saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

Lives by your rule.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Fuck you. I don't know you. Who are you?

[Taylor]

So that's what Clarissa's doing right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What Clarissa do?

[Taylor]

Clarissa Shields. She's acting like she never messed with her.

[Andrew Schultz]

That guy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know.

[Taylor]

She gonna r it too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know if that. I don't know about. I don't know anything about that. But if that is the case, yeah, I'd be so mad at y'.

[Chris]

All.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And y' all be with Clarissa. Clarissa Shields. Don't bother.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, leave her alone.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Clarissa Shields is a good

[Andrew Schultz]

thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about everybody that be with her. Like, they wake up every day wanting to With Clarissa Shields.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why do you think? Maybe it's because she engaged ages so, like, people get the reaction they want.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're right. That's true. That's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think that's kind of like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

And again, I understand the. The knee jerk reaction to like, kind of like set straight a rumor. That's not true. And, like, what that feels like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you are kind of giving the people what they want.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, that's true. I wasn't even talking about, like, the celebrity back and forth she'd be having. I literally was talking about, like, regular people. Like, like, people would just be wanting to fuck with Clarissa Shields. Why y' all should be rooting for somebody like Clarissa Shields? She came from the bottom. Bottom. Watch her documentary on Netflix, yo. Watch her movie that. The biopic that they made about her life that's also on Netflix. Like when I say she came from the bottom, she came from the bottom, the trenches, for real. And made something out of nothing. As a woman, a black woman coming from Flint fucking Michigan to be where she is. She's a walking miracle, if you ask me. So I don't do nothing but roots. For people like Clarence Shield, I celebrate people like Lorenzo Shield, I salute to Clarissa Shields. I don't see why anybody would have any issue with Clarissa Shields. If she wants to get online and be my man, my man, my man, let her. She's happy. You know why she's happy? She's experienced sadness.

[Andrew Schultz]

Charlamagne. There's a lot of people who are not happy out there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not happy.

[Andrew Schultz]

And simply looking at happiness is enraging.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, I agree. Want to do one more?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why is that, though? Why does seeing other people happy enrage people?

[Andrew Schultz]

Because it reminds you of their unhappiness yeah, they're unhappy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But do you realize if you can't celebrate somebody else's success, you'll never have any of your own?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, they don't realize that. They think that. That I think a lot of times people think that these people are successful, and they can't be because of that.

[Taylor]

Wait, hold on, hold on. Hold up. So what about Timothee Chalamet? You shitting on him?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. He didn't win.

[Taylor]

But you're happy that he didn't though?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He didn't win. Talk your shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Suck your shit, girl.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Talk your shit, Taylor.

[Taylor]

He didn't win, but you're happy he didn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's like sports. Michael B. Jordan is who I'm rooting for. That's the team I was rooting for. It was sports. Let's not act like the Oscars isn't A versus. That's the other problem. This shit ain't no motherfucking.

[Andrew Schultz]

We got a picture honoring Michael B.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right here. Michael B. Jordan and Jonathan Majors.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's them right there honoring them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way. Hold before I say this. The Oscars is all about verses. It's all about this person versus that person. So you are rooting for someone. You was, motherfucker. I saw you in your story. What I do Whatever's fucking. What's that website you be promoting?

[Andrew Schultz]

It's Cortisol something.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gambling.

[Andrew Schultz]

Couchy. Couchy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You betted on Michael B. Jordan?

[Andrew Schultz]

Because I knew what you did.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know the team was going.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You just bet.

[Andrew Schultz]

I knew what you did.

[Charlamagne tha God]

See this? How I know you're not a Die Hard Timothy Guy?

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan. Yeah, yeah. Through and through.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm betting on Dallas. Every motherfucker.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you wouldn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm betting on Dallas every time.

[Andrew Schultz]

Put your money up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This year, I'm betting up. Put your pussy on live. I'm bet you. I'm betting on Dallas. Everybody. Every single.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're not bad about Dallas, bro. Every time I saw what you did to Timothy, I saw you sabotage him. The second I saw it, I was like, nah, Michael B's taking it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timothy sabotaged me.

[Andrew Schultz]

There is no power greater than Charlamagne the God, man. Whenever Charlamagne the God wills into existence will happen. When will people start to realize this?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I want you to know, Timothy, you sabotage yourself, but it's not over for you. You'll be fine.

[Andrew Schultz]

What does he gotta do?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He got to play Caitlyn Jenner in a biopic. You play Caitlyn Jenner in a bio. Biopic.

[Taylor]

Even if he didn't even play Caitlyn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not Bruce.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Bruce is flashbacks. You played Caitlyn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, who's he dating?

[Andrew Schultz]

Kylie.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kylie. Get the life rights of your. Of your parent.

[Taylor]

Of your parent. Just say your parent.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Get the life rights of your parent.

[Andrew Schultz]

Your grandma Paul.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Get the life right for that. Get the life right for that. Let Timothy star in it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Boom.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Both of y' all at the Oscars in two years.

[Andrew Schultz]

And you think he wins it hands down.

[Taylor]

Even if.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hands down. Cause now you're playing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you're doing the double.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're doing the double.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm doing the double.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gotta learn from Michael.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can't win an Oscar. You can't do the twin thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You can't do the twin thing. That's done.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can't win an Oscar by playing one character.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Doubled up now. Now you doubled up. Now you. You play Caitlyn and Bruce in a movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Double wow. Double cheek.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Double wow. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

How do you know? How do you know he's not dating Kylie so he could study for the role of his wife?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Legend. Not Timothy. You want to be a legend? Timothy, hold on. Does Timothy want to be a legend?

[Andrew Schultz]

We got Charlamagne back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timothy, hold on.

[Andrew Schultz]

We got Charlamagne back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timothy, do you want to be a legend or do you want to be a legend? That's how you become. Become a legend.

[Andrew Schultz]

Timmy. Timmy. Timmy Turner.

[Charlamagne tha God]

God damn. Timmy back. That's reestablished Timmy as a star. Would he be.

[Andrew Schultz]

Would he be a superstar if he plays Kin?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Would he be the superstar?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Timothy. Yes. Timothy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why can't we tell trans stories? Why is that wrong? It's a trans story.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know why y' all are against this.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's

[Andrew Schultz]

it. It's bigot. I don't know why we're trying to celebrate trans life. Cat Williams is right. You got to put on a dress to make it in Hollywood, son. I never seen Bruce in a dress. He be popping that thing and some yogurts.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Timmy, this is the plan, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk to me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This. What you just said. This is the plan.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't put it on me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's.

[Andrew Schultz]

You've been saying it from the beginning. Don't you put it on me now. Don't you dare put it on me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

May Caitlyn Jenner biopic executive produced by

[Andrew Schultz]

Kendall what's the name of the movie?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Huh?

[Andrew Schultz]

What's the name of the movie?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You said it, Grandmapa. Nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Come On. Come on, yo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

As always.

[Taylor]

It should be called back in the 90s or something like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, Taylor. God damn it,

[Andrew Schultz]

Taylor. We're going right there. We had the perfect end to the party.

[Taylor]

This conversation came about. You're talking about back in the 90s and we're saying that Kaylee can never do it. That's why I was saying that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think Taylor missed a whole lot of jokes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I think she just missed it all.

[Andrew Schultz]

She had her one that she wanted to shoot. Should we explain it to her?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't. Don't even do it. This is for the brilliant idiot. Massive. Who understand.

[Andrew Schultz]

They understand our hearts too, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Our hearts. Hearts.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what we're out here for.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Y' all think I'm joking, though. This is one time. This ain't sarcasm. Timothy Chalamet as Caitlyn Jenner in the Caitlyn biopic. Probably gotta wait a few. But now they got. They got the. The. The makeup and that can make him look older. That's the move.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And then, okay, he can be himself. He can be young.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. And then when it's time to be. Kaitlyn. Be older.

[Taylor]

He gotta be taller.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't even think it matters. I think this is genius. He need to be talking to what's.

[Taylor]

Who Is he dating Kylie Jenner?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kylie and Kylie got. Already got a massive fan base.

[Andrew Schultz]

Huge.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kylie executive produced this. Wow. Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

You think that's a guarantee?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ooh, guarantee.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're going to give him the Oscar. Easy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Can you not see this? I'm the only person that sees this.

[Andrew Schultz]

And during the BAFTAs, do you put the Tourette's guy in the bag?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gotta put the Tourette's guy in the back. Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is he gonna say?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was told it's not a slur, it's just short. That's what I was always taught by a comedian that I know. Okay. It's not a slur. It's just short.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's all I'm saying. As always. You listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. You're right, too. It's the brand new S podcast. Thank you for listening.

[Andrew Schultz]

Peace.

[Taylor]

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