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Charlamagne Tha God
I sold my car in Carvana last night. Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow.
Andrew Schultz
Nothing went wrong.
Charlamagne Tha God
So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes as smoothly. I'm waiting for the catch.
Chris
Maybe there's no catch.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.
Chris
Wow.
Charlamagne Tha God
You need to relax. I need to knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood? I think it's laminate. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch.
Taylor
Sell your car today on Carvana. Pick up fees may apply. 5am I'm up with a crisp Celsius energy drink running 12 miles today. Grab a green juice, quick change and head to work. Meetings, workshops. One more Celsius. No slowing down. Working late, but obviously still meeting the girls for a little dancing. Celsius live fit. Go grab a cold, refreshing Celsius at your local retailer or locate now@celsius.com.
Charlamagne Tha God
yep. Charlamagne. Tha God.
Chris
Andrew Schultz.
Charlamagne Tha God
We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Hezekiah Walker.
Chris
Sir.
Charlamagne Tha God
How you feeling, man?
Chris
I'm feeling good.
Charlamagne Tha God
How was your week?
Chris
How was good? Good. I was out in Nashville doing shows.
Charlamagne Tha God
I saw you in Nashville. White Atlanta.
Chris
White Atlanta.
Charlamagne Tha God
Jelly Roll really was doing stand up.
Chris
He came out at the end and he, he, he worked some stuff out. It was cool. Why? No, because he's. He's doing this show as part of the Netflix's a joke fest that he's asked me to do. And like it's.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, they got Jelly doing stand up?
Chris
No, they don't have him doing standup. He's doing music. But he also might, you know, do some jokes as well.
Charlamagne Tha God
He shouldn't.
Chris
Can. Can any white person do anything?
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I love jelly now.
Chris
Any white person do anything creative without
Charlamagne Tha God
Charlemagne shut down, Never hear me say a bad word about jelly roll. I love jelly roll. Not only do I think he's a talented human, I think he's just a beautiful human. He is beautiful. His energy is amazing. I fuck with jelly, here comes the hate. Yeah. No, this has nothing to do with jelly. This is peanut butter.
Chris
And jelly sandwich is about.
Charlamagne Tha God
There are certain skill sets that I think require experts.
Chris
That is true.
Charlamagne Tha God
And you have to have experience. And I think that we put people in bad positions when we just give them a microphone, tell them to go on stage and tell them jokes. You might can get some tweets. Off and everybody laugh. It's not the same as getting on
Chris
stage and making people ask for an hour special. Here we're just trying to have some fun.
Charlamagne Tha God
But you're setting them up. If you say he's out here trying to do comedy because now you have an expectation set. Now if you just bring Jelly up and hand him a mic and people don't know what to expect and he says some shit and every like, oh, shit. But if you say, yo, Jelly Roll.
Chris
That before you fucking started this shit,
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn, I saw it on social media. Jelly Roll gonna do some jokes. I'm like, nah, I don't set my guy up like that. Charlamagne.
Chris
Cause now Charlamagne had one bad experience on stage.
Charlamagne Tha God
I know.
Chris
And nobody else could do stand up Now I can't.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nobody else can now that. Now I can't. Now I can't laugh. I want.
Taylor
You tried it before.
Charlamagne Tha God
I never tried to stand up ever.
Alex
You definitely.
Chris
He used to have the whole shows
Charlamagne Tha God
that he would bomb.
Chris
Now he's like, nobody else do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Talking to the mic, I literally came out and said, duh.
Chris
And I hate that you're traumatized by this because you are so funny that you could actually do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
You're one of the few people that
Chris
could actually do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
And that's not right. What you're doing to me right now is not right. And I'm telling you, that's why so many people getting on stage, that shouldn't be. Because you all say things like that. And it's always the legit comedians that the guys that you look at and be like, damn. It's always them saying it's funny. You should try it.
Chris
Should we say should we release it right now? Release that. Charlamagne will be performing at the Jelly Roll show at the Netflix Festival. Let's go, Charlamagne.
Charlamagne Tha God
If I ever tried stand up, I'd come out in a wheelchair. Okay? On purpose.
Alex
Just cause you not standing doesn't make it not stand.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I forgot you bombed. That's why you so sensitive about your Alex really bombed. I forgot he didn't bomb. Shut up. It was the. Come on, man. It was kid with down Syndro coming in the game to shoot a shot.
Chris
What I would say is this. The Middle east is used to way bigger bombs. That was funny.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I ain't bombed. See how that was effortless? That's not how you almost try to
Chris
cut me off too. I was getting my shit ready. I was setting it up.
Charlamagne Tha God
You said it was wet. No, that was wet.
Alex
I Know.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay. No, but he did. You wicked the ball and shit.
Chris
He did. He did. Now, you did describe the scenario beautifully in that. Like it was the kid who was the manager of the basketball team, and you put him in it. They get. But he still hit the three.
Charlamagne Tha God
Kid with down syndrome, who's the manager of the. Doesn't matter if it does. It's a difference.
Chris
If he takes a bite out of the ball. Yeah, but if he actually shoots the three and makes it, then it's fine. If he shot the three and made it.
Charlamagne Tha God
If he takes a bite out the ball then shoots it and makes it, now you're like, wow, he's special.
Chris
He's special.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, why we didn't have him in the whole time.
Chris
The only thing was. The only thing that was crazy is at the end of the video, after Al gets a laugh, he goes, thank y'.
Alex
All.
Chris
I'll see y' all next time.
Alex
No, I said. I said, that's my time.
Chris
That's my time.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's the equivalent of. Come on, man. Kid with down syndrome biting the basketball, shooting the three, making it, then grabbing the ball and spiking it like he on the football field.
Chris
That's it. He don't even know what sport he's playing. It's all good.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's you, Alec. I made the shot, but you listen. Everybody go out there and try things. You know?
Chris
That's what I'm saying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Charlotte.
Chris
We need Charlotte on that stage.
Charlamagne Tha God
Never.
Chris
We need Charlotte and we need Timmy Chalamet and Jack Harlow in the front row.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what my dream just wait. You know what my dream is? Yeah. To have Donnell come out in some arena and get the whole crowd to participate in not laughing at him. I've done it on Breakfast Club. I've done it on my TV show where I've gotten the audience, no matter what Donnell says, to not laugh. You know what I'm saying? Even when it.
Chris
You're a crew.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I got him so good. When I had the TV show on Comedy Central, he came out, I'm like, yo, cheer for everybody except for this guy. And he's got an upcoming Netflix special being produced by Dave Chappelle. And he's the host of the podcast, the Donnell Rawlings Show. Donnell Rollings is hell. Did you tell his audience? No, I did not. I didn't. Don't. You told us not to respond to. No, I did not. That is not true. We're not going to have a show like that.
Chris
Charlamagne.
Charlamagne Tha God
That is not true.
Chris
They was laughing at Me?
Charlamagne Tha God
I think you're hilarious. No, wait a minute.
Chris
You.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think you're hilarious.
Chris
Donnell.
Charlamagne Tha God
I love you, man. Donnell, Rollins. Nobody said Donnell.
Chris
I don't support this behavior. I love you, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Can you imagine being in an arena for five minutes and nobody laughing at all?
Chris
No, no, no. Donnell, Donnell. Donnell. Don't even put that juju out there.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why? It's funny. It's a joke.
Chris
Put that juju.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why can't I joke?
Chris
Cause your jokes are cruel. Your jokes have a problem. Your jokes are just borderline wrong. Like, you're the only one that finds your jokes funny.
Charlamagne Tha God
You eat.
Chris
Everybody else is so cruel.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's the beauty of it. See, but that was what. That's what makes you good on stage when you don't care what everybody else thinks. What else happened this week, man?
Chris
What's going on in the world, man?
Charlamagne Tha God
So much negativity is back.
Chris
Oh, that's positivity, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Alex said he can't believe Jay Z sold out Yankee Stadium.
Chris
You a hater.
Taylor
That is what you said.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's what you said.
Chris
Said.
Alex
I couldn't believe he sold it out that quick.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why?
Chris
Why? It's Jay Z.
Alex
Two days at Yankee Stadium. He sold it out in, like an hour.
Chris
It's Jay Z, bro.
Taylor
Yeah, Like, I don't want to see him.
Chris
Jay Z performing in New York.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's Jay Z. I love Jay Z.
Alex
I gonna turn me into the Jay Z haters.
Chris
Listen, that's Bad Bunny for New York.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think Jay Z is Bad Bunny for the world.
Chris
No, Bad Bunny is Bad Bunny for the world.
Charlamagne Tha God
Sure, but Jay Z is Jay. Jay Z is Bad Bunny for the Bad Bunny is new energy. Like, Jay has been doing this for years. This ain't Jay first time selling out Yankees Stadium. The crazy part is he had 1.6 million people in the queue. Yeah, you can sell on Yankee Stadium, like, 40 times.
Chris
God.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he could think about that. He could have literally done 40 shows in Yankee Stadium if he wanted to. If he. If he said, you know what? Fuck it, man. Let everybody eat. 1.6 million people in the queue. Everybody bought chicken.
Chris
It's a coincidence that Mamdani paid everybody 30 an hour to shovel snow and that he had 1.6 million people in the queue for.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't even want to see Mandani at the concert. Wait, why? I don't think he knows. Reasonable doubt.
Chris
This is. Yo, Momdani. You made it, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Momdani.
Chris
You popping Momdoni. You are officially popping the Charlotte Hate train is coming.
Charlamagne Tha God
Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga. How old is Mandani? Pull up Mandani's age. Charlotte, how old is Mandani?
Chris
Charlotte's life, he's a good bro. Charlotte's life is good.
Charlamagne Tha God
Pull up Mundani. Nah, this is the energy I like. I don't think he no Reasonable Doubt. Got a new listen. Got a new guy to hang. 34.
Alex
34.
Charlamagne Tha God
Reasonable doubt is 30. He don't know Reasonable Doubt. I better. I'll better trip to Maui on it. I'll better trip to Maui on it.
Alex
I know Reasonable doubt.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll better trip Maui on it. That he don't know reasonable.
Chris
Put your on live. Put your on live.
Charlamagne Tha God
I better trip the Maui on it.
Alex
Knows it.
Chris
Why did he grew up hip hop?
Charlamagne Tha God
34. Reasonable doubt is 30. He was 4. Reasonable doubt came out like the Internet don't exist.
Taylor
Exactly why you act like they can't go back to it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Name seven songs off Reasonable Doubt right now. Matter of fact, I shortened it. Name five.
Alex
Okay. Oh, shit.
Charlamagne Tha God
We got 22 twos.
Chris
The evils.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay. Reasonable.
Alex
Reasonable Doubt.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yup.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's no song on there called Reasonable Doubt.
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, it's not me, honey. There's no song on there called Reasonable Doubt. But it's too much. Almond. Almond. That's what I'm saying. And you just said Reasonable Doubt of
Alex
the song Brooklyn's Finest.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, yeah. Too much. Ah, it shouldn't be this much. I know.
Chris
It's crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's not. What?
Chris
The world is yours.
Charlamagne Tha God
The world. Oh, my God. I know he.
Chris
Get him the.
Charlamagne Tha God
Out of here. What the. He said the world is. He named a whole other song.
Taylor
Isn't that a whole other artist?
Charlamagne Tha God
Isn't that because you thought the world is. He got the nice. Get him the Don't.
Taylor
Don't.
Chris
Google go. Keep going. You got living Lavita, Logan, you got. Who else?
Charlamagne Tha God
Who else?
Chris
The Hanukkah.
Alex
Oh, can't knock the hustle, Alex.
Charlamagne Tha God
You lost already.
Taylor
Exactly.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't lose yet. This is too much of a struggle. And Madani. Madani would do worse.
Alex
All right, name five songs off Blueprint because he's performing that one too. Let's go.
Charlamagne Tha God
Off Blueprint.
Alex
Yeah, he's performing that one, too. Name five.
Charlamagne Tha God
You serious? Yes, I am serious.
Alex
Why are you stalling?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm not stalling.
Chris
All right.
Charlamagne Tha God
Ain't no love in the heart of this city Never change song cry. Hola, La Vita Renegade.
Alex
Damn it.
Charlamagne Tha God
H to the Izzo. All right, all right.
Chris
You don't gotta get the rulers back.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, now, hold on, hold on. I grew up. Jehovah Witness. We didn't stand for the national anthem. I'm a stand when the ruler's back.
Unknown Male Speaker
Come on.
Charlamagne Tha God
Them horns dropped. What are you talking about?
Alex
If you gave me blooper, I could have got.
Taylor
You mean.
Charlamagne Tha God
Listen, I know I up.
Chris
That was not good.
Charlamagne Tha God
That was not good. There's.
Chris
You still got four, though, off the top.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, he did not. He did so much. I'm in. And iron. He almost spelled Mandani. He was like, mom, it's too much pressure. It's too much pressure. I don't think. But I know Mandani will be there because he's the mayor of New York. Yeah, but there's nothing worse than watching somebody try to sing along to an album so hard that they don't know.
Chris
Damn.
Charlamagne Tha God
He might be memorizing it now, though.
Chris
Um, Donnie, did you raise the toll? What happened? Why did we not run?
Charlamagne Tha God
You just did it. No, I didn't. Something happened. Somebody said something.
Chris
No, I said.
Unknown Male Speaker
Who's more of a legit hip hop fan, Obama or Mandami?
Chris
This is what I said.
Taylor
Obama.
Chris
You don't gotta push the mic away, Chris.
Charlamagne Tha God
Obama.
Chris
Chris dropped that question and threw the mic away.
Charlamagne Tha God
Obama. Obama. No, probably Mondani. Mondani used to rap. Yeah, he right. Mandani used to rap. I did like Mandani's top five. He had a solid top five when
Chris
I was growing up. For me, Lupe Fiasco. I also have a real soft spot for Common. Also have to put in Jay Z. And I think as New York City,
Charlamagne Tha God
we have to put in Biggie. But he just. I just don't think he knows Reasonable doubt. That's all I'm saying.
Chris
Yo, can we just acknowledge that he's got some motion right now? And nobody can have motion in Charlotte's Ocean.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's not true.
Chris
Oh, that's fire. Nobody can have motion in Charlotte Ocean.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm going to be honest with you. I'm just age shaming. Cause I already know how this is gonna go.
Chris
You think it's gonna be a lot of young ruffians out there pretending that they listen to reasonable Doubt.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's all I'm saying. A bunch of hype bees. These same people that for the last.
Unknown Male Speaker
What about an age limit for the concert?
Charlamagne Tha God
No age.
Chris
Minimum.
Unknown Male Speaker
No limit. Oh, no minimum.
Charlamagne Tha God
You're right.
Unknown Male Speaker
Minimum age 35 and over.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nah, nah. Older than that, Chris. Oh, no.
Chris
Low key. You kind of gotta be 40.
Charlamagne Tha God
40. 40 plus.
Unknown Male Speaker
40 and over.
Chris
I'll be honest with you.
Charlamagne Tha God
40 plus.
Chris
Yeah. I'm trying to think.
Charlamagne Tha God
Reasonable doubt's 30 this year. So that means blueprint 25 this year. That was 96.
Chris
To be honest with you. When Reasonable Doubt first came out, it wasn't like this crazy takeover of an album.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no, it wasn't.
Alex
That's a. I don't even think you listened to it when it first came out.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll tell. You want to know the truth? I'll tell you the truth.
Chris
He's been waiting to have this conversation. Oh, my.
Charlamagne Tha God
I've had these conversations. You know what's so beautiful about these conversations? These were conversations that really happened during my formative years. Like, these are, like, mild markers in my life when we go back.
Chris
Mine, too.
Charlamagne Tha God
It wasn't a. When we go back.
Chris
When was it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Blueprint came out June 25, 1996.
Chris
Blueprint was reasonable doubt.
Charlamagne Tha God
Reasonable doubt came out June 25, 1996. Right. Reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt came out, 25, 1996. I was Wu Tang'd out mob, deeped out, like, those were my guys, you know what I'm saying? You know, Biggie, like, I like that type of shit. And when Jay came out, I remember saying to myself, what is this player shit? Like, all of the. You know, even. Even Biggie, like, I like Biggie because he had, like, the street gutter records. But I didn't know if I liked all of that player shit. Cause all of the real hip hoppers, the J R Daniels of the world, the BCCs, they weren't on the players.
Alex
Rough. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
And so when Jay came out, I was like, what's all of this money talk? Go on, go on, go on, go. I had a homeboy, man. My homeboy Booby. When I tell you he loved Jay Z. When I tell you he was like, no, man, you need to listen to this Reasonable Doubt, yo. You need to listen to this guy, man. I'm telling you, this dude is literally talking the life that people are out here living, right? And I'm like, I don't know. But I'm gonna tell you what I got on Jay. His second album came out in My Lifetime, Volume One. And he put out the Streets is Watching soundtrack. And it was a movie that came with it. And me and Booby, we were driving back and we was going to Myrtle beach, and I listened to Reasonable Doubt and that in my lifetime, back and forth when we was driving from Myrtle beach, that's all we listened to. And I was like, yo, this guy is phenomenal. And then my first concert ever was the Hard Knock Life tour in Charleston, South Carolina. He was at the North Charleston Coliseum. I think this was 99 or 2000.
Chris
Now you got me Google, now you got me Googling some shit.
Charlamagne Tha God
But it was my first concert ever. When the Hard Knock Life album came out and I listened to that, was it in my Reasonable Doubt, in my lifetime. Volume one. The Screech is watching soundtrack and Hard Knock live now. And I'm gonna tell you, I've had ebbs and flows with Jay. There was a period where my hate for Jay Z kicked in. Ooh, I tell you why, though.
Taylor
Ooh.
Charlamagne Tha God
But listen, that just happens sometimes when you see. It's like the Cowboys or the Lakers. When a franchise is winning too much for no reason. At some point you like, yo bro enough. Especially when he retired and came back, you're like, yo, what is this? What's going on? Like, take a break. Let the new guys come in. Let the new guys eat, blah, blah, blah. But I can admit that was just hate. It just happens, by the way. It happens to everybody. When you've been around for a long time winning consistently. At some point people just be like, yo, man, turn this shit the fuck off. You know? But then you come back around because. Because it's greatness.
Alex
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, and I think I came back around. I never, I. The hate wasn't real. So I came back around, like around American Gangster, yo.
Alex
Yeah, yeah. Because I think like Kingdom Come and Blueprint three.
Charlamagne Tha God
Kingdom Come had a couple of records on there. I didn't love it some. I think one of Jay Z's most terrible songs is actually on Kingdom Come, which is the, the, the joint with Usher. Oh my God, that's horrible.
Alex
But Blueprin 3 was it, wasn't it?
Charlamagne Tha God
You crazy? Blueprint 3 is fire.
Chris
No.
Charlamagne Tha God
What? One of my, One of my favorite Jay Z records of all time is on Blueprint 3.
Alex
Which one?
Charlamagne Tha God
Already home with Kid Cudi. See you not in the hall of Fame or nothing. That's why you don't listen. Guys, blueprint two is fine. No, the blueprint 2.1 was, was dope. All I'm simply saying is I'm a Jay Z guy, bro.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
I like hov's music a lot. Hov's music has provided the soundtrack to my life. And we've literally watched this guy grow from a 27 year old in 1996 to a 56 year old in 2026. This, the other thing that blows my mind. All of these people that are online saying, like, oh, you know, he's just doing this to create good press for himself. It's the 30 year anniversary of his first album.
Chris
Yeah, Seems like a good time to celebrate.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's the 25 year anniversary of what some people say is his best album.
Chris
Ah, okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why wouldn't you celebrate those two things? Not to mention guys, FIFA's in town. Not to mention guys.
Chris
What?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know if you know or not. What? You can't just book Yankee Stadium three weeks in advance.
Chris
Nah, FIFA's in town.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yankee Stadium takes at least 18 months to two years to book for an event, a concert.
Chris
How do you know that?
Charlamagne Tha God
Because I looked it up.
Chris
Where does it say looking up? You could book something if it's available.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yankees in the middle of. It's in the middle of baseball season.
Chris
Yeah, but they got the games.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's in the middle of baseball season. It takes. Look it up, look it up. Look how long. Look up. How long does it take to book a major concert in advance at Yankee Stadium? But what made you just think, I know the. I know the guys. It takes. It takes 18.
Chris
You're saying that they booked it 18 months out. I feel like a guy like Jay Z could book it two weeks out if he wants.
Charlamagne Tha God
Not if some Yankee Stadium out of. Something's going on.
Chris
Well, clearly. But nothing's going on. It's not like they're moving baseball games for Jay Z.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I don't think so. But it is in the middle of baseball season.
Chris
Sure, sure. I guess what I'm saying is like, baseball is different than like an arena
Alex
in that it says months to over a year.
Chris
Yeah, but it doesn't matter.
Alex
Six to 12, it says.
Chris
But it doesn't matter.
Charlamagne Tha God
Still point the point. The point is it wasn't spurred a moment.
Chris
Jay's the type of person that if he wanted to book something three months out or two or month out, he has the leverage and power and connections.
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely. But you're not. He, he didn't book this because he's.
Chris
You say you got inside information, headlines.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's the third. When you're. When you haven't been married for 30 years, you're not gonna plan something special.
Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
When you, when you. Chris, how long you been married?
Unknown Male Speaker
Will be 20 years next summer.
Charlamagne Tha God
You ain't even get a blueprint. He ain't even blue. He ain't not even blueprint album yet. Blueprint's 25 years. But you gonna do something special. For your 20th, I'm sure.
Taylor
Why can't.
Charlamagne Tha God
Taiwan's still around.
Taylor
Why are they both, though? Why can't he try to make better headlines for himself?
Charlamagne Tha God
And that, too, because it's just not true. My point is.
Taylor
I'm just saying it's a coincidence.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's not a coincidence.
Chris
What's the bad headline? What's the bad headline?
Taylor
The bad stuff come in.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, they've been trying to slander him for two years. He talked about it in the interview. All of the bullshit accusations, and, you know, he's in the F trap. All of this dumb shit.
Chris
But haven't they said that they investigated and it was nothing?
Taylor
Y.
Alex
Yes, people care about that.
Charlamagne Tha God
But he said that. What he said is the realest shit in the interview was heartbreaking. We all been through shit. You know how that shit go. Like, that's a real human emotion to have to deal with.
Chris
The Internet don't care. They're just going to keep pumping the most.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, my God. Yo, the Internet got shocked. The Internet couldn't believe he sold out that fast. They was like.
Chris
They were furious.
Charlamagne Tha God
I thought we didn't like him. Yeah, yeah. Fuck y'. All. Suck my dick, you digital dickheads. Don't know why. Like, y'. All. Y' all can't sell out your fucking living rooms, okay? That's when you know. That's why I'm telling y'. All. The Internet is not real life, okay? Let these people talk. Let them hate. Let the Lincoln navigate. But when you motherfucking gotta go outside and people gotta pay to come see you, will they do that? That lets me know who's winning and who's not.
Chris
I think for chronically online people, the Internet seems real. And there are people who are chronically online. Just the Internet is the most extreme versions of everything. So they think that's reality. But the majority of people are probably pretty moderate and don't.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think they know, Jones.
Chris
Say what?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think they know.
Chris
They don't know because that's their reality. But what I'm saying is, like, the majority of people are not chronically online. They're not spending 10, 12 hours.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, no, I agree. I agree.
Chris
So, like, if you're chronically online, you see extremes because that's the only thing that plays on the Internet. There's no, like, hey, here's the nuance take that goes viral, right? What goes viral is the most insane take on the right, the most insane take on the left, the most dramatic take here. The most dramatic Take there. So if that's all you're consuming and that's your worldview and you're not getting out and touching grass, then that's what you're gonna think the world is.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right. Those bots can't help you in real life, buddy.
Chris
Yeah, but they don't need to be in real life. A lot of people. That's the thing. It's a weird.
Charlamagne Tha God
You missing a lot not being in real life. How did Nashville feel this weekend?
Chris
Nashville was so much fun.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see what I'm saying?
Chris
Nashville was fun.
Charlamagne Tha God
How did it feel performing in front of all of those people? You know what I mean? Practicing new material.
Chris
That was cool.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see what I'm saying? Having one of the biggest artists in the world come out just to kick it with you.
Chris
Yeah, it was great.
Charlamagne Tha God
The fuck?
Chris
It was great.
Charlamagne Tha God
And sucked my dick. Internet.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
From the back.
Chris
Yeah. Okay, Right.
Charlamagne Tha God
Lick it, lick it, lick it, lick it. Yo. July 10th on the July 11th party. Got my outfits out. All right.
Chris
You got your outfits ready?
Charlamagne Tha God
I got my outfits out. I mean, ain't gonna be number white T shirts. Wait, wait, wait.
Chris
You didn't answer this. You didn't answer this.
Charlamagne Tha God
First of all, don't say exactly. Like, I'm so predictable. Like I'm a cartoon character. Like, you just know what, I'm a weirdo.
Chris
Hold on, hold on. You didn't answer this. So when did. When did Reasonable Doubt, the album, become such a historic album? Like, when do people go back and discover it? Because it doesn't come out the gate as, like, the hot shit?
Charlamagne Tha God
I think. I think when this my personal opinion, I think that it had a very niche cult like following in 96. Everybody knew it was dope if you heard it, because Jay Z was one of those people who all of the greats mentioned in some way, shape or form. When you think about it, right? Like Biggie was saying Jay Z was his favorite artist, right? And collaborating with him and stuff like that. Pac was dissing him. Why the hell was Pac dissing jay Z in 1996? You know what I'm saying?
Chris
So he felt some pressure.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's my point. I'm not gonna say pressure, but he just had. He clearly had some type of energy that made people pay attention to him in some way, shape or form. So if you ask me, I think people started liking Reasonable Doubt.
Alex
Hard Knock Life.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hard Knock Life. I think once he became a megastar, people started volumes going back that actual
Alex
song, the Hard Knock Life, but that's
Charlamagne Tha God
all Volume two Though.
Chris
Yeah, I know.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Chris
That's what. So Volume two. And then they go back and see his other work, and they're like, oh, this is crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's what I think.
Chris
And, man, Blueprint was just super, super.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, Blueprint was out of here.
Chris
See you later.
Charlamagne Tha God
Blueprint was out of here. I mean, Hard Knock Life is really what made you a superstar.
Chris
It's so weird. Like, the way I look back at. I. I'm wrong, obviously, but I almost remember Blueprint before Hard Knock Life. Hard Not Life. He was. Felt like such a huge song. Do you guys remember?
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hard Knock Life was 98. Blueprint was 2001.
Unknown Male Speaker
Hard Knock Life opened up white people because of the Annie sample.
Chris
That's.
Charlamagne Tha God
But also biggest album.
Chris
Was it for a movie? Did they remake Annie or something like that?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, they just used the sample.
Chris
That's it.
Alex
Yeah, but he did remake and Annie years later.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he did.
Chris
Oh, okay, so I'm confusing.
Charlamagne Tha God
He did it.
Alex
All right, Right.
Charlamagne Tha God
And reasonable. I mean, reasonable doubt had heat, though, because reasonable doubt, you know, that ain't no off the Nutty professor soundtrack.
Unknown Male Speaker
All right. What was Heart of the City on Blueprint?
Chris
Blueprint ain't no nothing.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hey, do you know how hard. You know how good Heart of the City is going?
Alex
Oh, my God.
Charlamagne Tha God
In New York?
Chris
No public service announcement.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, but I'm.
Chris
Public service announcement.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's a reason 8.
Chris
You gotta play it, though.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's a reason. Ain't no Love is gonna sound so good because we literally saw him go through that the last couple of years. First the Fat Boys break up, now every day I wake up, somebody got a problem with hov. What's up? Y' all niggas all fed up? Cause I got a little cheddar My record's mov. Moving out the stove.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
What the. Like, what. What are you saying? Like, wow. Those words that he's saying in that record are going to resonate so much that night that I know his energy gonna be on a thousand. When he's listening to the lyrics now, I'm like, I know he's thinking, a
Chris
guy like Jay, who's put out how many albums? 12?
Charlamagne Tha God
13.
Chris
13 albums. Do you think he has to listen back to the old stuff to remember it a bit?
Charlamagne Tha God
Probably gotta, right? Yeah, I would think so. Some stuff. Some stuff.
Alex
Like, the song also has a great. He was one of those rappers that didn't write anything down. So he has a great memory.
Chris
He gotta. But still, at a certain point, you're 50 years old, you got kids you know what I mean? It's like a different world. There's no way that you don't just. There's no way you go in cold.
Charlamagne Tha God
Young spitting at me. Young rappers getting at me. What if he say young spitting at me? YouTube getting at me. My big Predicted this shit. Exactly. More money, more problems. Gotta move carefully.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Whoa. Oh, I knew it. I knew somebody was gonna. Caught in the 90s.
Chris
Wait, what happened?
Charlamagne Tha God
That'll be hilarious. If he don't say it, but the whole stadium says it. If he don't say it but the whole stadium say it, they gonna go crazy. Cause Fraggle maggots hate when you getting money like athletes. Young' un youngin.
Alex
Oh, I can't wait. I'm so hyped.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm feeling me fine. It cost you nothing. Pay me no mind. I'm on my grandma cousin, man. It's gonna be. Oh, my God. Thank you, God. Thank you, man. Between Jay Z this summer and Mary J. Blige in Vegas, life is good.
Chris
She has a residency.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, she does, man. Thank God for finally caring about people 45 and up, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're like the forgotten generation.
Chris
Vegas has always cared about moving to Egypt.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. And you know what, man? You know what's so crazy? I apologize to everybody who used to go to Vegas to see their favorite older ex.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
When we were young, it seemed like, so washed.
Chris
Felt like you were put out to pass.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I mean? But now that we 45 and up and our favorites are out in Vegas, we. Like I said, why y' all did this?
Chris
Fire. Yeah. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, my God.
Chris
But also, Vegas changed. Vegas became a younger place, and I think to its detriment, in a way.
Charlamagne Tha God
Talk to me.
Chris
Well, Vegas became like a destination, almost like Miami or something like that. And now they're charging crazy money for the rooms. Like, back in the day, you could go to Vegas, you get a room for almost nothing.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Chris
You're walking a casino. They're giving you drinks. The drinks are free. Like, the whole thing was curated around you spending your money gambling, and then the rest of those things being, like, distractions or something to do with your wife so she could pull you off the tables for a little bit. And what people seem to feel right now is that they're gouging you at every point. So now you got less money to gamble, and you can barely afford the hotel, and the dinner is absolutely expensive.
Charlamagne Tha God
And back in the day, you could
Chris
go to, like, a buffet in Vegas and have, like, I don't want to say top notch food, but like really good food.
Charlamagne Tha God
I still got good restaurants in Vegas.
Chris
No, no, the restaurants are fantastic.
Alex
They're just buffet at the casino. That was like, pretty good.
Chris
And they do it. They do. Listen, they still got it, but like, everything's really expensive. And I think people are starting to feel like, hey, this isn't a place where I go where I could feel super rich for a weekend. This is a place where I'm going to be stressed with my wallet and. But it became a destination. It became a place where you could have 40 different shows. You check out, you're seeing this huge marquee fight. Like you're going to spend money when you go.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I've never gambled in Vegas. No, the only time I've gone to Vegas is for the iHeartradio Music Festival and for other concerts. Like, we flew. I flew out there to go watch Usher.
Chris
Yeah, I just go to her events or if like I'm doing a show or I'm going to see a fight or something like that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, the Spirit is phenomenal, bro.
Chris
You know what I found?
Charlamagne Tha God
You've been to the Spirit?
Chris
Yeah, I saw the UFC at the Sphere.
Charlamagne Tha God
My look is phenomenal, too. You've seen that?
Chris
No, I didn't see it. He thinks he's gonna. That was the best delivery was. That was the best you've ever done. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Been practicing all week and I don't even know if I could have nailed the landing if you. I think I got the setup. I think.
Chris
I think you even up this setup.
Charlamagne Tha God
Set up?
Chris
No. Cause I heard it. I think you fucked it up.
Charlamagne Tha God
I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do. I should have waited, man. I was too fucking eat. Yeah, you. Because I had a whole thing in my mind.
Chris
The cadence was perfect. But I don't even.
Charlamagne Tha God
I was gonna do it with supplements.
Chris
But you said my lick.
Charlamagne Tha God
I know, but I was gonna do it with.
Chris
My lick.
Charlamagne Tha God
Doesn't do anything I was gonna do. I was gonna start talking about Peptides and just start naming Peptides. Yeah, like that Mylic shit is good too.
Chris
But my lick doesn't go anywhere.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, it does. It goes in your. No, it doesn't.
Chris
You lick. Yeah, you lick. Not my lick. That's why when you said. I was like, oh, man, he's doing his best. I might give him one.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yo, I've been thinking about that all week. Even think that that shit don't go nowhere. Where the does my league go? My dick.
Chris
That's what it was supposed to be my dick.
Charlamagne Tha God
My dick.
Chris
My dick in your mouth. Yeah, yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Fuck. Listen, I'm just not good at it. You see what I'm saying? I'm just not good at it. And I know that.
Taylor
Okay, Keep trying, though.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I wouldn't see. But that's not. You can't treat stand up like that. I knew you were going to. Fucking knew you were gonna get back to. You got to fucking quit for Vegas.
Chris
So how do you make so. So, Chris, do you remember going to Vegas when you were younger?
Unknown Male Speaker
A couple times, yeah.
Chris
And did it feel like an affordable place where you got.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah, they'd almost copy the hotel rooms.
Chris
Yeah.
Unknown Male Speaker
Phase. I think part of it was the celebrity chef starting to come in, and they really made that part of the experience when Top Chef became a big thing. And then if you were a winner or one of the top things, you would get a restaurant in one of these. And that started to drive the price prices up.
Chris
Oh. So now that we're paying all this money for this stuff, we got to find a way to afford it. Right.
Unknown Male Speaker
And then that kind of readjusted the standard where I think the buffets were good, but you weren't going to them
Chris
to expect to get like top tier cuisine for an experience.
Unknown Male Speaker
You were going literally to fuel the gambling.
Chris
Right, Right.
Unknown Male Speaker
I'm gonna take a break.
Charlamagne Tha God
I heard.
Chris
I heard something. I don't know if this is true, but I heard that, like, the Vegas casinos really stay open off of whales. So, like, it's us gambling a few hundred bucks or whatever doesn't really move the needle for them.
Charlamagne Tha God
Listen, man, that's somebody.
Alex
Not even.
Chris
No, I'm being dead serious as somebody. Can I say the point? Because I'm not even trying to catch you. A whale is somebody who gambles a million dollars a day so they'll extend a line of credit for the pocket.
Charlamagne Tha God
So he's fat.
Chris
Well, the pockets are fat. That's the idea. So, like, they're the people. Like, think about how many of us got to be in there every day spending 300, 400, $500 across everything. They get a private jet, they roll out for them. But apparently the idea for like, the concierge, whatever, is just find as many of these motherfuckers who are willing to drop a mill a day in the casino.
Charlamagne Tha God
A meal a day is crazy, son.
Chris
That's what they do.
Charlamagne Tha God
A mill a day is crazy. You know, So I didn't. I didn't go to Vegas back in the day. So to me, the Vegas Experience still is cool. Like, you know, I love yo.
Chris
Low key for two days. Vegas is awesome.
Charlamagne Tha God
I love it. You know what I love about Vegas? When you're in a hotel in the dark at night, and it's the city lighting up your hotel. Oh, yeah, that shit is great. I had a great. That wasn't the last time I was in Vegas, but that time we flew out there to go see Usher, we had a great time. It was me and my wife.
Chris
Where'd you stay?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't even remember. It was Holly and her guy who win the win.
Chris
Maybe.
Charlamagne Tha God
I really don't remember.
Chris
Encore.
Charlamagne Tha God
I promise you, I don't remember. I don't remember. But it was funny because we went to go see Usher, and then somehow or another, my wife and Jessica Alba started having a conversation. Oh, wow. And they ended up kicking it. And we all, after the show, went gambling. I got a picture. It's like all of us in the lobby, drunk as shit. And I always look at that picture, like, why the fuck was we with Jessica Alba?
Chris
That's.
Charlamagne Tha God
And then now I remember. And then. And I've. And I've seen Jessica Alba since then and since we.
Chris
So that's the thing.
Charlamagne Tha God
What up, Jess?
Chris
That's the thing. Vegas got that. No other place in the world has this. Once you're in the casino, everybody's there. Yeah, they got some private rooms for the high rollers, but, like, a lot of.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, no, no, you're right.
Chris
A lot of famous people, they're not trying to do the $500,000 chip, whatever. They don't need to go to the private. They want to gamble kind of regular. So if you go there for NBA Summer League, you'll see the NBA players just at the craps table, at the blackjack table. So there is something unique.
Charlamagne Tha God
We went to some table, and I don't gamble, so I don't. I don't know what table we was at, but we walked from Usher's show and went to the gambling table, and we just all was sitting there gambling. Jessica Alba, my wife and Jessica's friend. And we just was having a great motherfucking time. And it was just so random. And all the security was just making sure we was. Well, they was making sure Jessica was good. They didn't give a fuck about me, I'm sure. But they was making sure we were good, you know, that was a great time. I like Vegas anyway. Shout out, Jay Z. Shout out to Hov, man.
Chris
Shout out Hov.
Charlamagne Tha God
July 10th and July 11th. Cannot fucking, fucking wait.
Alex
I'LL be there.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think you'll be there. What else we got? Taylor?
Alex
I'mma be there.
Charlamagne Tha God
You ain't going to Taylor me. I'm going to be there.
Chris
You ain't going Taylor me. Taylor with me everywhere.
Charlamagne Tha God
Taylor's know if I or she. I don't.
Taylor
I'm not saying I don't need to go.
Charlamagne Tha God
I wouldn't even invite you.
Chris
Really, you don't want to go?
Taylor
I'm not a huge Jay Z. I respect him, but I'm not a huge Jay Z.
Chris
That's an honest comment. That's fine.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right. But I once again, if you a certain age, I don't want you around me that day.
Chris
Interesting.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying?
Chris
Yeah, yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't want you around me.
Taylor
Why would you know all the songs though?
Charlamagne Tha God
I know you don't.
Taylor
I know I don't.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm not saying you don't. No, no, you don't. But I'm saying no, you don't.
Taylor
But you're acting like what Alex said. Like people go back and listen to why can't they?
Chris
You don't think he's gonna play anything else besides those two albums?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he said Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint when he might. On Sunday, he added the third show that sold out in. In a minute. So the third show is Sunday and it's called Extra Innings. I don't think y' all really. And you know what, One more thing. Listen, I know people want to say, this is glazing. I don't give a fuck. And hey, kids, what y' all call glazing, we call celebrating people. I don't think people are used to what they're seeing because they forgot what OG mega stardom looks like. You know what I'm saying? Like, and the thing that makes Jay Z so great is like, this is the first of its kind. In hip hop, you're used to that. In other genres, you're used to Bruce Springsteen announcing Yankee Stadium at 60 plus years old and that shit sells out in two seconds.
Unknown Male Speaker
Billy Joel doing the run at the
Charlamagne Tha God
Garden, Rolling Stone, you're used to all of these older acts doing. You ain't never seen this in hip hop. You've never seen a 56 year old.
Chris
Great point.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hip hop artist who can do this.
Alex
That's fire.
Chris
It's a great point.
Unknown Male Speaker
Could you put Eminem in the same category?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know em. Gotta do it. I don't know if he hasn't done it. I'm not saying he Can't.
Unknown Male Speaker
I'm just thinking of somebody who would be on that level.
Chris
Em could do it.
Alex
I think Em could probably do it. Em could do it probably in Detroit, I don't know, Yankee Stadium.
Charlamagne Tha God
M is interesting. M is interesting.
Unknown Male Speaker
Could Gray do a version of it? I mean, obviously not as a rapper,
Chris
but like, he could bring everybody out.
Unknown Male Speaker
Bring everybody out, of course.
Chris
And do Dodger Stadium if they did the Chronic.
Alex
But I don't count that. You don't. You don't get all the credit if you're bringing out a bunch of people.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know why Em is interesting? Because that's who he is.
Chris
But that is. That's what he. That's the inceptionistre.
Charlamagne Tha God
M is interesting because numbers wise, he's the biggest rapper to ever walk the face of the earth. Yeah, numbers wise. But I don't know if he could
Unknown Male Speaker
have the gravity that Jay has.
Charlamagne Tha God
He don't have the cultural gravity that somebody like Jay has. He might have the cultural gravity. And I don't know if his music has aged as well.
Chris
Right.
Unknown Male Speaker
The real Slim Shady isn't gonna lose herself with.
Chris
This is a nostalgia play. And don't underestimate nostalgia. Like, you see all these groups that were popping when we were kids now doing their nostalgia tours. I mean, Backstreet Boys did the sphere. Like, so clearly you get to a certain age where you want to reminisce and you want to have those feelings you had as a kid. And Eminem evoked those feelings. And I think that we're looking at Jay in New York and we're kind of assuming that Eminem doesn't mean that exact thing to Detroit, maybe more.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think Em probably means that to a lot of people around the world. He sold too much records for me to be like, em couldn't do that.
Chris
No, he couldn't do it. I think he could do it. I think. I think, like.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I'm also. I can't have.
Chris
Also, you don't get to see em all the time, just like you see Jay. I think that's another reason why this is special, right? Because when you go away for a while, you get missed. Like Backstreet Boys, if they tried to do that 10, 15 years ago, I don't know if they're able to do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
And plus, em music for me, I always recognized Em as a top tier lyricist, great emcee, but his music for me personally, never touched me in that way. You know what I'm saying? In order for me to love a Eminem show or even to come to the Eminem show. It'd probably have to be like, Eminem and 50 on tour together.
Chris
Sure, of course.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? Eminem, 50 on tour. I'll go and probably leave appreciating Eminem's music more.
Chris
But just because it doesn't touch you that way doesn't mean that it doesn't touch somebody in the same way.
Charlamagne Tha God
Billy Joel, more records than everybody. He's. Statistically, he's the biggest rapper ever, numbers wise.
Chris
But I also think doing it in your home, like, when you're a representation for those people.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, it just.
Chris
It just means something different and you want to experience it, like.
Alex
And if you go out and you tour one of your best albums, specifically, that even touches another.
Charlamagne Tha God
What would that be for him?
Alex
Probably Marshall Mathers LP, I think was his biggest. That's the second one.
Charlamagne Tha God
Em should be celebrating the 30th anniversary
Alex
soon, probably, but he's a little bit out.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. 2008. 2028 will be like Em's 30th. I think his first album came out in 98, right? 97. Look it up, I think 98.
Chris
Hi, kids. Do you like violence?
Charlamagne Tha God
Do you like violence? Do you want to see me put Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids?
Alex
Fire Wanna copy me and do.
Unknown Male Speaker
Doesn't age the same way, though.
Charlamagne Tha God
It didn't age the same way, but it's still fun.
Chris
But it's. But you might just want to hear that.
Unknown Male Speaker
It's a nostalgia play.
Chris
Hi.
Charlamagne Tha God
Do you like vibes?
Chris
Like you want to say it? Like, what a crazy bar.
Charlamagne Tha God
My name is not MK Rap. The first time I ever heard M was on a DJ Clue mixtape. He had this song where he was like. And if I had one wish, I wish for a big enough ass for the whole world to kiss. I didn't know Em was white. I was like.
Chris
I didn't either.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, what else we got, guys?
Alex
Yeah, Slim's shady LP was 99.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, so 30 years. That's his first album, right?
Alex
Yeah. Oh, so he had, like, mixtapes or whatever, but that was the first.
Charlamagne Tha God
At three years, it'd be 30 years for Eminem. Man, hip hop is great, bro. Hip hop is great. And it's amazing to watch. Longevity is great.
Chris
Amen.
Charlamagne Tha God
When you have been long, this is hard. Respect, consistency and long, it's hard.
Alex
Do you feel this might transition us, but do you feel because of the battle between Jake and.
Charlamagne Tha God
Who is Jake?
Alex
I'm sorry, Drake and Kendrick, that it's gonna mess up their longevity?
Taylor
No, not Kendrick, Why would it mess?
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, I mean, like, not Drake either, man.
Alex
No, but you know what Jay Z said, he's like, it turned fans. It's like, oh, if you're a fan of one now you have to hate the other.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't even believe that's real. And you know, I didn't agree with Jay's take. I respected the take and I understand where the take is coming from. But that's also a 56 year old man's perspective. Can you pull that up? Pull that up.
Taylor
You mean you was talking about Kendrick?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, pull that up. So it's fresh in my mind. Have you seen this take yet, Andrew?
Alex
And I know the Internet's not real, but it did seem like online it's like, hey, you gotta pick a side.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's life. Why do we act like that's life?
Alex
No, but that's what I said.
Unknown Male Speaker
I think for. I'm just looking at my kids generation. So people, you know, in their late teens, early 20s now. Drake's undoubtedly the biggest artist of their generation. Yeah, there's nothing that's gonna happen in any way is gonna ultimately change how they think.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's a 1, a 1B. Guys like, stop. Kendrick is pretty big, bro. Kendrick gotta pull a surprise. Y' all gotta stop.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yo, my kids lunchroom, they would all start singing God's plan together or whatever, you know, like it was that.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's a Catholic school.
Taylor
Exactly.
Charlamagne Tha God
Catholic school.
Unknown Male Speaker
New York City public school.
Chris
New York City public school.
Unknown Male Speaker
There's no Catholic school.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why wouldn't a bunch of Jewish kids think God?
Unknown Male Speaker
Now it's a Jewish Catholic school. So yarmulkes and plaid skirts. I want to go to this school. I gotta check it out.
Chris
Well, maybe. Maybe la. Maybe LA is like that for Kendrick.
Charlamagne Tha God
The world is like that for Kendrick. Why do y' all listen? There was a time where Kendrick Lamar had the highest grossing tour of a solo rapper ever. And that was the Mr. Morale and the Big Stepper tour. And I think this new tour that he just went on with Sza, even though it was him and SZA that broke the record, but before that it was just him. Why do we act like Kendrick and
Taylor
the just cause y' all don't listen to Kendrick doesn't mean that he's not popping.
Charlamagne Tha God
He got a Pulitzer prize. Chris, you're a writer. You love pullups. You would love for kids don't care about Chuck Prize.
Unknown Male Speaker
I'm agnostic. I don't really care about either.
Charlamagne Tha God
What religion is that?
Unknown Male Speaker
That means I don't have One. I don't have one.
Charlamagne Tha God
Press play. Taylor, the personal thing that you chose
Chris
Kendrick for the super bowl, it's like, oh, man, he's choosing the side and
Charlamagne Tha God
he's putting, and he's not like, I
Andrew Schultz
don't have what I have to do with that. I chose the guy that was having a monster year. I think it was the right choice. It wasn't in some sort of alliance to a battle. I know.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
What I care about, them two guys battling. Like, what that got to do with me?
Charlamagne Tha God
Have at it.
Andrew Schultz
Have fun. It's almost like not on just me, by the way they drag everybody in there. Like, everyone's part of this conspiracy to undermine Drake, I guess. But like, motherfucker, like, what?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm Jay Z. I'm J. I do respect him.
Andrew Schultz
I'm old dude, respectfully.
Charlamagne Tha God
Or like, for what folk?
Andrew Schultz
To what end?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. It couldn't be that.
Andrew Schultz
These guys just don't like each other.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
And I think they haven't liked each other for a long time before you
Charlamagne Tha God
had anything to do with it. For a while.
Alex
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
I think this has been brewing just like me and Nas was brewing.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
It didn't.
Charlamagne Tha God
What?
Andrew Schultz
It didn't happen at the summer jam. That happened. The lexing, TV sets, the minimum, whatever it was. It was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to that point.
Chris
What is the myth bleak?
Andrew Schultz
Slugs in your hat, right? Slugs in your head. It was a bunch of, like, little things that led up to that point. And then when it happened, it happened. I actually regret that because I really like knots.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's a really nice guy. But also to your point, like, I
Chris
remember I was like 10 or 11 when that happened.
Charlamagne Tha God
I was like, well, I was on your side. Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
Yeah, clearly.
Charlamagne Tha God
But my. My. My position was I can't go out
Chris
and buy Stillmatic or ask my parents to buy Stillmatic.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. But I'm gonna borrow it and burn it because I can't deny my mic, you know?
Andrew Schultz
Like, I want to hear it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
But I ain't supporting them.
Alex
Word.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, that's not the part. It's the one where he talks about he be tired of battling. I do like that part, though, right there, just. Cause I just love the confidence, man. You know what I'm saying? And when you think about why you like certain artists, it's because certain artists, their music, it instills something in you, and it just inspires you to be the best version of yourself. When Jay Z said things like, I will not lose, when he said just now, why Would I be undermining Drake? I'm fucking Jay Z. I'm ho.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's like, yo, sometimes you gotta remind these fools. You gotta look in the mirror and remind yourself like, yo, do you know who you are?
Chris
Yeah, I get that. I think it's also like when you see everything through the prism of competition and these guys are insanely ambitious and competitive and that's why they're able to reach the heights that they reach. You know, you go, well, why would he stop competing now? When you see him talk about it, then you step back and you go, yeah, why would he care about this thing? He's just booking the bigger thing.
Charlamagne Tha God
Easy, easy, easy answer to that question. He's 56 years old and you got to look at it like a video game, Right? Look at it like a video game and think about all the things we've already seen him do. He's reached so many different levels. Whether we realize it or not, he's reached levels that Drake still hasn't reached yet. Is Drake one of the biggest artists in the world? Yeah, but really Drake is playing a different game in a different era. So why are we even saying the Drakes and the Kendricks or whoever else are chasing these guys like the Jay Z's and the Nas's? What are we comparing it to? Those guys are literally already home. They're home with their feet up. Like they're, they're not competing with the Drake's and the Kendricks anymore.
Chris
Yeah, but like we do this all the time. Like we, you know, people with errors. Yeah, but with sports too, it's like when, when Jordan put out the last dance doc, it was like the, the conversation was, oh, he's doing this to cement his legacy as the greatest. And this is to slightly LeBron and blah blah, blah. Right?
Charlamagne Tha God
Or that's fun, but it's dumb.
Chris
Oh, sure, it's dumb. Or when LeBron did Space Kids jam 2, it was his version like, oh,
Charlamagne Tha God
you got a movie?
Chris
Well, I got the same movie.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's LeBron's fault. He should have created something else. Yeah, because I'm gonna be totally honest. Aliens came down right now and was like, we gotta play for Earth. I don't know if I'm going to get Braun. I'm just being honest. I don't know if I'm going to get run.
Taylor
Cause he's gonna fall.
Charlamagne Tha God
When did that movie come out? Yo, he's gonna cry. When did that movie come out? Pull up the other clip of James. When did that movie come out? Yo, if alien. Yo, we gotta really think about this. If aliens, the Monstars came down to Earth and they like, yo, go get your best. Are we motherfucking destroying this team? I'm putting Bron on A Team 2021.
Chris
I'll tell you.
Alex
That's Space Jam 2.
Charlamagne Tha God
2021. If I'm getting drawn to 2021, I don't know.
Chris
I'm choosing. I'm choosing the Iranian military. These guys are hard to get out of here, bro. They stick around. These guys stick around.
Charlamagne Tha God
Any military from the Middle east, bro,
Chris
the aliens could be like, it ain't worth it.
Charlamagne Tha God
From the Middle East. It ain't worth it. Any military from the Middle East. I'm just saying. I'm not going to get Braun. I don't think so. To go against the aliens, bro, you knew Jordan was going to wash it.
Taylor
You gotta get. Steph,
Charlamagne Tha God
listen, you gotta get a committee. The truth is, you gotta get a committee.
Unknown Male Speaker
Jordan number one, Bird number two.
Chris
You need Bird.
Charlamagne Tha God
Get Bird the fuck out.
Chris
No, you need Bird.
Unknown Male Speaker
I'm the biggest bird hater in the world.
Chris
Nah, you need Bird.
Unknown Male Speaker
Bird's number two.
Chris
You need Bird.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll put Bird on the team.
Chris
Yeah. Cause he looks like them a little. So, like, it's gonna confuse them. It's gonna throw them off. They're gonna be looking at him like,
Charlamagne Tha God
beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Chris
And, like, thinking they could communicate with him. He's reading all the.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, okay, okay. This is a good one. We can get all of them in their primes.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, we got some type of machine that can get everybody back to their prime. Aliens come back down right now, today.
Chris
What's the team?
Charlamagne Tha God
Who's leading the team?
Chris
It's Michael Jordan. You gotta have Bill Russell on there.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm getting Kobe. Michael Link. Kobe. I don't know if I'm bringing Bill. I don't know if I'm bringing Bill. I got to see what the Monstars are on first, son. God bless Bill.
Chris
Bill Russell coached white people through racism.
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
Chris
You don't think he could beat some hills? I gotta let Phil be on the team. You gotta let Bill be on the team. He was telling whites what to do in Boston. You telling me he can't organize?
Charlamagne Tha God
Bill, be the coach.
Chris
Jordan and Kobe's beef.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, let Bill be the coach. Come on, Michael. Kobe, Shaq. Gotta get Shaq. Gotta get Shaq.
Taylor
Get that Asian dude, too, man.
Chris
Get out of here.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, get the. I don't even know who the Fuck are you talking about?
Chris
Yeah, he's.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no, no, no.
Chris
We'll be giving secrets back to China. We can't. No, no, no.
Charlamagne Tha God
You need. You need.
Chris
You need.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, I'm gonna get Steph. Steph, we need a shooter. You know why we need a shooter? The otherworldly shooter.
Chris
We need a shooter.
Charlamagne Tha God
The aliens would be like, yo, I ain't seen shit like that since that planet in that other galaxy. Like, that ain't no y' all had that here. I'm going to get mad.
Chris
No. Because now we only got one shooter. We need it. We need a kd, low key. We need kd. We need two guys that can splash.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got to get magic. Magical. Scare them. Because if they've been doing their research, they'd be like, yo, you said in their prime. Oh, he didn't have it in his. Nah. No, he did, though.
Chris
No, he had to retire. He had to retire, but that wasn't his prime.
Charlamagne Tha God
I get what you're saying. Yeah, you're right.
Chris
He didn't have any magic in his. You're right.
Alex
Right before shooting, we don't go like Ray Allen or.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nah, not with the aliens.
Chris
Nah, you gotta get Katie.
Charlamagne Tha God
You need Steph if we want more shooting. I'll go get Burt.
Chris
You gotta get Burt.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll go get Burt. I'll get Larry Legend.
Chris
Come on.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll get Larry Legend. If we need more shooters.
Chris
And just the shit talk.
Andrew Schultz
Damn.
Charlamagne Tha God
We still ain't picked Bron yet. We like nine players in. You gotta bring Bron, though, at some point.
Chris
Over.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's not an over. We doing a 12 man roster.
Chris
No, no, we said five. We said five.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, five. Oh, five. Oh you yeah. Five. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Five. And it's no disrespect to Lev Lebron, who plays point.
Chris
Then you let Steph bring it up. You let Steph bring it up.
Charlamagne Tha God
In a traditional point, okay, you let
Chris
Jordan and Kobe cause chaos in the block.
Charlamagne Tha God
If we got magic, I'm putting magic at the point.
Chris
But magic is not there. He's healthy.
Charlamagne Tha God
You can't.
Chris
We're talking.
Charlamagne Tha God
This is different things.
Chris
We need shooters. You have Steph there. You have kd.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got Jordan and Kobe.
Chris
Jordan and Kobe.
Charlamagne Tha God
Give me magic at the point, Jordan at the 2.
Chris
You have Jordan playing the 3, and you have Kobe playing the 2. Let Jordan just. People up.
Charlamagne Tha God
So where does Larry Bird go?
Chris
He's just a white man making sure everything's safe. It's just.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, you can't remember Pat Riley's quote about Bird.
Unknown Male Speaker
He said, if I had to pick one person to save the game, I'm picking Michael Jordan. I had to pick one person to save my life.
Chris
I'm picking Larry Bird.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, so here we go. He negotiate with the police. Magic. Magic at the point. Michael at the 2, Kobe at the 3, Bird at the 4, Shaq at the 5.
Alex
That's crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
Aliens are getting the fuck out of here.
Chris
Get the out of here. Aliens go to Mars. Get off of her.
Charlamagne Tha God
Get your go.
Chris
Ain't no way anybody else watch from the stands. There's no way you picking anybody else. Different.
Charlamagne Tha God
Play this clip. Taylor. This a good conversation, too, man. What's homie's name that did this conversation? Somebody find his name. There you go. See, right there. Right there, Right there. The first one.
Chris
This one.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Andrew Schultz
We love the excitement, and I love the sparring and the music you get. But in this day and age, it's so much negative stuff that comes with it that you almost wish it didn't happen.
Chris
Really?
Andrew Schultz
Yeah. Because it's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
No matter what he makes. No matter what he says. And it goes far, too. It's like attack on his character and his thing and his. And it's like. I don't know if I love that. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
I don't know if it's helpful to our growth where the fallout lands, especially on, like, you know, on social media, which takes place every day.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
And now you have these pods of cult.
Chris
The Stan Armies fight.
Andrew Schultz
Yeah. And it's like, it's too far.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
It's like bringing people, kids in it. And it's like, I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that is probably. You know, I sound like the old guy wagging the fence, but I think we can achieve the same thing as far as, like, sparring with music, with collaborations. More so than breaking the whole thing apart.
Chris
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
It could stand it before because there was no social media and there was no thing. And, you know, you had the battle and it was fun, and then you moved on.
Charlamagne Tha God
Right.
Andrew Schultz
Right now, I don't know if it could stand it with the technology that
Chris
we have because it takes up so much oxygen.
Andrew Schultz
It takes up so much oxygen.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
Now it's just like every day they're just trying to.
Charlamagne Tha God
Talking about it.
Andrew Schultz
Not just talking about it. Not like, yo, this song. I like this. It was like trying to tear down the people's life.
Chris
Yeah.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
It's like trying to. You Know, wreck this guy's marriage or this guy's relationship with his child and it's like, I don't know, man. I don't know if. I don't know if it's worth it at this point. Yeah, I don't know.
Chris
It's interesting.
Charlamagne Tha God
Again, that's all J. Cole was trying to say.
Chris
It's old head logic.
Charlamagne Tha God
Is that what J. Cole was trying to say?
Unknown Male Speaker
But he's also underselling how much Oxygen, Nas versus Jay Z took up at the height.
Charlamagne Tha God
And Jay Z, I mean, and Biggie and Tupac. Yeah, there's a lot dominated in New
Unknown Male Speaker
York City at this time.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I think. I mean, there's a cost to this.
Chris
That's the thing. There's a cost to the energy, there's a cost to the heat. Right. Like sometimes.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's always been though.
Chris
No, of course, of course. I think that's just what he's saying. And he's looking back at it as somebody who's lived through it and he's viewing it, you know, for. What is it? Monday morning quarterback, he's like. But to the victor go to spoils, you could say. But then you could also make the argument that there's a lot of people now that hate Kendrick. Let's say Kendrick won, right? There's a lot of people now that hate Kendrick. Sure. They hate Kendrick simply because they love Drake. That's what he's saying. And vice versa. And so he's going, was that worth it? Like, is it worth forcing people to decide? Forcing people to make these decisions where you can't appreciate someone else's art that you actually low key kind of think is fire just because you're loyalty to one person.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll say what I agree with, first of all, from this statement. I like what he said about, you know, you can still get your sparring off with collaboration because now you got people on records doing records with each other and they're all trying to one up each other with verses, right?
Chris
Yeah, but the Internet was blood, Charlotte, you know this, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
I totally disagree with the take on because another thing he did in this interview that I thought was dope, he named like the four elements of hip hop and he was saying the ones that don't exist anymore. But he was like, you know, battling is like the last one left. And the reason battling is one of the last ones left is the last one left. Because the MC still matters. The person that's doing the barring up still matters. It's not the beat, it's not the break dancing. It's not the DJing. It's not the graffiti. The guy with the microphone still matters. And every now and then, we want to see the two best of a generation go, heads up. Now, everything Jay Z is speaking to already existed before the Internet. Jay Z and Nas went to hell on each other in records. You know, Tupac, God bless the Dead, definitely went to hell on Biggie. He starts the song off saying, that's why I pupped you a pitch, you fat motherfucker. That was his ex, his wife, his mother.
Chris
But it wasn't the same reaction channel. There was the same reaction channel and clipping economy that adds so much gas to the flames.
Charlamagne Tha God
But time out. You're right, but the Kendrick Drake battle is very unique. Kendrick and Drake battle would have probably been over a long time ago if somebody knew how to take an L. If Aubrey Graham just simply knew how to take an L and didn't do things like sue the record label.
Chris
I think that Ms. Was done before that.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, he made it worse. He sued. I sat here on this podcast, told y' all he was gonna sue. In jest. Sarcasm, sort of. Kinda when I'm right, it's not sarcasm. But so in jest, right? And he actually did. That is what made it worse. All of the things that have been happening after the fact, all of the Drake fan pages who still can't get over the fact that he just lost the rap battle. So they're constantly digging up stuff, constantly trying to find stuff, constantly trying to, you know, rewrite history just because your guy lost a rap battle. Drake kept this going in a way that we've never seen before. None of us. We've never seen somebody sue after losing a rap battle.
Chris
Right?
Charlamagne Tha God
That's what makes this seem nastier than what it is. Like. Like we've seen people get called wild things in rap battles before. Like, we've seen people say, I fucked your baby mom and this person fucked your wife. And we've seen all of that before. We've never seen nobody sue.
Chris
That's true.
Charlamagne Tha God
Drake made it worse. Drake and Kendrick battle is not only the greatest rap battle of all time, it's the most unique rap battle of all time. We never saw anything like this. We never saw somebody like Kendrick. We said who said it earlier. To the victor go to spoils. You said that, Chris. We've never seen anybody get a victory lap like Kendrick. Grammy Awards for a diss record, super bowl halftime show. Cause he had such a monster year. Followed up his diss record with an album, gnx, that was critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Go on tour around the world with the biggest R and B artist and fucking perform these records everywhere. Kendrick spiked the football a million different times. We never saw anything like this, guys. And like, Jay can't even compare this battle to anything. There's no comparison for this. And I know we're talking about the tech. And that's the other thing. He didn't acknowledge the artist in this, other than to say, yo, you know, you might like this song. You might like that song. Both of these guys went to hell on each other. You got one guy calling one dude a woman beater and saying that his wife is one of the kids is his best friend. And you got Kendrick saying he's a pedophile. Like it was. It was nasty. Like rap battles are. But it was everything that happened after the battle that made this the most unique rap battle ever. So you can't say you don't want to see battles anymore just because of this situation, because this is never going to happen again.
Alex
Hmm.
Charlamagne Tha God
This is never going to happen again. Even when not think about it.
Chris
Of course something like this will happen, happen again. Come on.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know. And I think because of the players,
Unknown Male Speaker
this is an improvement in some ways.
Chris
Yeah, that's a lot.
Unknown Male Speaker
The biggest rap battle is Tupac versus Biggie. You saw how that ended.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, Tupac versus Biggie was the last time in my mind. But you can't even say that because Biggie didn't engage. It was. Biggie didn't engage. He said that.
Taylor
That wasn't supposed to. He didn't engage.
Alex
Who shot you as a subliminal.
Charlamagne Tha God
Everybody says who shot you was recorded way before. I don't know. But my point is, Biggie didn't really engage directly. But as far as artist, wise man, Pac was a way bigger artist than Big. Yo, I know it don't seem like that.
Unknown Male Speaker
Nah, he wasn't.
Charlamagne Tha God
Pac was a way bigger artist than Big at the time when Jay Z and Nas went at each other, Jay was a way bigger artist than Nas. Yo, when Drake went at Meek, Drake was a way bigger artist than Meek. So it was easier for those battles just to keep moving. Cause there's nothing but upside. Nas, you win with Etha. Right. Even though I think Takeover's a better song. But Nas, you win with Ether. So it's nothing but upside for you, right? Yeah. Sadly, Pac and Biggie got kicked.
Chris
You know, the smaller guy always has the upside.
Charlamagne Tha God
Meek. Meek, Never.
Chris
What are you saying?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm just Saying Meek could have just kept doing music, but for some reason, he didn't. Like, something was just off after the battle, you know what I mean? And he really. I mean, honestly, he didn't really.
Alex
He never recovered.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Chris
Maybe he made a lot of money.
Taylor
He kind of recovered when he got with Nicki and then it fell off.
Alex
No, they brought him right after that.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, he brought us.
Taylor
I know, but he was, like, having songs out and everything.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what it was with Meek, man? Meek's Achilles heel to me was actually Twitter.
Taylor
Yeah, for sure.
Charlamagne Tha God
And when Drake still do. When Drake called him Twitter fingers, now what do you say? What was it? It was Twitter fingers.
Taylor
Yeah, Twitter fingers.
Charlamagne Tha God
When he called him Twitter fingers, Trigger
Chris
fingers turned to Twitter fingers.
Charlamagne Tha God
Trigger fingers turned to Twitter fingers. And it's just like every time Meek tweets, even now to this of days, crazy.
Chris
It's pure energy.
Charlamagne Tha God
And I'm like, I fuck with Meek. You know what I'm saying? I think Meek does a lot for his community. He's been a great symbol for the city of Philly. I love what he does with reform, but I probably would have deleted my Twitter after Twitter fingers, yo. And just flooded the streets with nothing but music.
Taylor
You're forgetting the stuff, too.
Chris
Guys, guys, guys. We're insane to talk every week. What? We're insane to talk everybody.
Charlamagne Tha God
But we're podcasters.
Chris
But we're podcasts. Twitter. Only Elon makes money. You know what I mean? Like, you could do the same talking and tweeting you could do in bars. You could just rap. You could just do it. It's a kind of crazy thing that people are actively still talking.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, man. At that level, Meek should have double, tripled down on just rap. Just rap, like, because he's nice. Like, just flood the streets with music. Let social media talk. Let them be crazy. And you get off Twitter. Just give him music and, you know, keep doing your community work.
Chris
Also that, like, Philly will play for decades.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Chris
Like, they'll play that literally for decades.
Charlamagne Tha God
Dreams and Nightmares is like, PSA level at this point.
Chris
Yeah, I imagine for Philly.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, for the world.
Chris
No, of course the world. But also the world also has psa.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, but we've seen. If you see, I've seen Dreams of Nightmares in another country. It's the same.
Chris
No, no, I'm not trying to knock it. I'm just trying to say, like, the emotional connection we have for psa. Right. I'm sure Philly probably loves psa, too. And then they get Dreams and nightmares. And if you have to ask them what we're going to come out to, what we're going to start with in Philly, they're going to go dreams.
Charlamagne Tha God
And Taylor's doing that shit at her wedding.
Unknown Male Speaker
What we do is wrong.
Charlamagne Tha God
Taylor, you.
Taylor
I'm playing Freeway.
Charlamagne Tha God
I know Freeway. First of all, I knew. I know Freeway. Listen, there's three things you will hear at a silly wedding. Dreams and nightmares. Freeway. What we do is WR and freaking. No better love from the young guns.
Taylor
We're playing jokes.
Chris
Got to. Every time I step in the booth,
Charlamagne Tha God
they've already told me. Taylor said she walking out with her dad to. Y' all ready? You're not playing a Beanie Siegel, the
Chris
most popular Jewish rapper out of raping
Charlamagne Tha God
rhymes like this to sound like this. She told me that she's walking out the dreams and nightmares at her wedding.
Chris
You gotta come back. That's the most ever.
Charlamagne Tha God
When you gonna do what you can't play? What we do is wrong, though.
Chris
But we do.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's gotta be bad.
Taylor
No, I wasn't gonna play that one. It was gonna be, oh, you said
Charlamagne Tha God
when you threw the bouquet. We gonna do what we do is wrong. All I'm simply saying is just to go back to the point.
Taylor
I forgot it.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's all about how you handle a loss after a rap beef. But the reason I say this situation is unique.
Chris
Taylor's gonna catch her own bouquet to stay married.
Charlamagne Tha God
She might. She might. She might. She might.
Chris
No, I'm gonna play Flipside.
Taylor
That's what I'm gonna play.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, Flipside is fire. Another Philly classic. But the reason this beef was unique is because Kendrick and Drake were literally the two top artists of their generation. They're huge. Like, they're massive. There was no underdog in this battle. I know that y' all wanna think Drake is such a. The bigger artist than Kennedy.
Chris
This is a great point because we remember hip hop being so massive at the time, but it wasn't close to the level it is right now.
Unknown Male Speaker
Not at all.
Chris
So you're looking at the two biggest figures in a gen for the last 15 years. It is at its pinnacle. Yes, Right. It's at its zenith globally.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah, you're right. So this. This might not happen again.
Charlamagne Tha God
This will never happen.
Chris
In order for it to happen again, hip hop has to be ubiquitously the most popular music across the planet. And the two biggest guys have to beef with each. That's a hard thing.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's not only the two biggest guys, status wise, actually, dope mc.
Chris
Yeah, they're nice.
Charlamagne Tha God
Regardless of how I may feel about the half a Caucasian.
Alex
Nah, he's nice.
Charlamagne Tha God
Aubrey Graham.
Chris
He's nice.
Charlamagne Tha God
He's nice. When he raps, he's nice. Okay, he's not Kendrick, but he's nice to some people.
Chris
To some people, he's Kendrick. You gotta understand, like, people in the way that you don't fuck with or the way that Eminem's music might not touch you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, like, but they went head up jokes. If you and another comedian go head up and you wash them with jokes, yo, Schultz is the guy.
Chris
But what I would say is, in. In comedy, there are gonna be some people who are just like, you know what? I like clean comedy. This makes me feel uncomfortable. So I like that.
Charlamagne Tha God
But what happened that night? We all know what happened that weekend.
Unknown Male Speaker
What's the nicest biracial comic?
Charlamagne Tha God
What the fuck is this? Chris? Because we were talking before five. That's a hard left.
Unknown Male Speaker
Because before the show, we were saying, who's the greatest biracial rapper?
Chris
The greatest biracial comedian.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah, give me the greatest biracial comedian.
Taylor
Comedian.
Charlamagne Tha God
Comedians. I don't even know. Biracial comedians are biracial comedians.
Alex
That's funny.
Chris
Is he not biracial?
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, he still said it all. How is he saying he should have said half of it? When you're biracial, you can only say half.
Chris
Which half?
Charlamagne Tha God
Really? You should say the girl.
Chris
If you got to be a tiger,
Charlamagne Tha God
if you present as white, you better be a tiger.
Chris
You gotta be a tiger.
Charlamagne Tha God
If you present as white, you better be a tiger. If your present is black, you can say the first part.
Chris
The first part.
Charlamagne Tha God
But if you present as white, if you're biracial, you want logic can only do grr. You know what I'm saying?
Taylor
Aren't half white and black black?
Chris
Say again?
Taylor
Key and Peele, are they half white?
Charlamagne Tha God
Who?
Chris
But not standups. Brilliant sketch comedians, but not traditional standups.
Charlamagne Tha God
Who.
Chris
Who's halfway KE and Peele? Aren't they? I don't know.
Taylor
I just.
Chris
I know, I know. Yeah, I think they're both.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's crazy. If both of their parents up, they're both biracial.
Chris
I think so, right?
Charlamagne Tha God
Really?
Taylor
I'm see.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, so collectively they can say it together. But yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah. Jay Z shouldn't base his opinion on battling off this battle. This was different. You know what I'm saying? And when you talk about also OG is different.
Chris
Like, he got perspective on life. Now he's looking back at Things and going.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Andrew Schultz
And I think.
Alex
I think he's also reflecting on him and Nas and he's like, damn. I think he regrets that him and
Charlamagne Tha God
Nas were able to move on because they simply moved on.
Alex
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I'm saying he understand what I'm saying. We don't. It was great.
Chris
Oh, yeah.
Alex
We don't.
Charlamagne Tha God
By the way, that's the best case scenario, Kendrick. The best case scenario is you spar. Y' all go at it, y' all might not like each other for a while, but then at some point, y' all piece it up.
Chris
Yeah.
Taylor
Do you think if they had social media back then, it would have.
Alex
Somebody would have died.
Charlamagne Tha God
If they had social media back then, Jay Z would have been the recipient of all the memes because Nas said all of the funny. And now, don't get me wrong, Jay said some dope, slick shit in Takeover. I think Takeover's a better record. Could. But, you know, they would have been camel memes. You know what I'm saying? It have been Jay with actual rat whiskers. Like, it have been crazy back then.
Taylor
Yeah, but do you think they would
Alex
have been your baby seat?
Chris
That.
Taylor
Yeah, that was horrible.
Chris
Not rock, fellas, chains. Like, there would have been like Eva had probably.
Taylor
Do you think that they would have still made up? That's what I'm asking.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think. Yes.
Chris
No. This is a great. This is a great argument with. Are you. Are you making up based on what the other person says? Are you making up based on what the audiences are making you feel? Oh, and I think that's what you're getting at. It's like sometimes. Sometimes the Internet is like the schoolyard where everybody else is going, ooh, he said that? And you're really reacting to what the schoolyard is doing, not to what the person is saying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Chris
So, yeah, I mean, good point.
Charlamagne Tha God
The reality is, you know, Pac and Biggie aren't alive anymore, but they said things that. That stuck forever.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like people are still debating Tupac sleeping with Biggie's wife right now.
Chris
That's crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
Ether is literally a verb people use when somebody gets washed in the street. Like, you know what I'm saying? And the same thing with Kendrick and motherfucking Drake. I'm sure Drake has been places and heard say, oh, he ho. Like, I'm sure he's gotten that so many times. Like, I'm sure that shit sticks. Just like Twitter fingers stuck to Meek. So in great rap battles, there's going to be things that stick, but the artists have to learn to move on. If the artists move on, so will the fans. The only reason people haven't moved on in this situation is because of Drake. I'm telling you, if Drake hadn't sued and made this the issue and all of that other shit, it had been gone. But Drake wasn't sitting around, you know, talking to his influencer friends and, you know, telling them things. And they get on podcasts and on their screams and talk about it like nothing. It would have been gone already.
Chris
But that's the thing. That's what the Internet does.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's a place for it and artists.
Chris
But the battle is won on the Internet. Kind of between the stand communities, not really between the artists.
Charlamagne Tha God
What if the artist would already went out? What if Drake would have already changed the temperature already? He put out the Party Next Door album, right? What if he did? What if Iceman. Iceman might change the temperature. Unless he's still rapping about this shit. We heard snippets from the motherfucker and he's still throwing shot. Like, let the shit go. If you move on, so will the audience.
Chris
What did you make the joke about? Like, what timing for him? Like during Ice in America, he's putting out an album. No, that was me.
Charlamagne Tha God
I saw that, though. Yeah.
Chris
I mean, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, that was crazy. It's not even that, though. Iceman is a gay superhero. Bobby Drake is a gay superhero. He was gay, man. Shut up. I got a wolverine tattooed on my arm. Bet you. You want to bet your mouth. No, I know people. I want them to. If you so sure. Bet your mouth. Google Bobby Drake.
Alex
Read the comics.
Charlamagne Tha God
Bobby. Google Bobby.
Alex
He wasn't gay.
Charlamagne Tha God
Gay superhero, yo.
Chris
Bet your mouth.
Charlamagne Tha God
Bobby Drake is a gay. Iceman is a gay superhero, guys.
Alex
Wasn't he with Rogue? Him and Rogue were dating, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm just telling you what the fuck is going on. Okay? All right. Bobby Drake got a boyfriend. In the comic book, Bobby Drake is canonically. Is canonically gay. In Marvel comics community.
Chris
I'm looking this up.
Charlamagne Tha God
The character was outed in 2015 by his younger self via Jean Grey in all new X Men 40. Wow. Portrayed as heterosexual. Writers hinted at his sexuality earlier, and the revelation allowed him to step out of the closet.
Chris
Bobby Drake can. And gay Bobby Drake, he gonna have
Charlamagne Tha God
to explain that now. See that? And by the way, that's some. That's. That's. That's worse than putting out an album with the Ice Age. I hate, bro.
Alex
Now he just put that into the
Charlamagne Tha God
air, and now everybody gonna run. Whoever interview him has to ask that question, that's got to be one. Why would you name your album Ice Age after Bobby Drake who came out as gay? Are you trying to tell us something, Drake?
Chris
Yeah, that's a little bit.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's just an obvious question in an interview. I mean, you know, I don't interview people often, but if I was interviewing somebody, how you say you don't interview
Taylor
people often, it's crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm just saying I don't really have any experience in the interviewing game. But if I was interviewing somebody who comes out with an album called Iceman and his name is Drake, and the character Bobby Drake from Marvel Comics was known as heterosexual but decided to come out as gay, I need to ask some questions about that because I would put my hand on his shoulder and say, you don't have to do this, okay? There's other ways to get people talking about other things. All right? Okay. That's all I'm simply saying.
Chris
Does it make the beef a hate crime?
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn. Damn. Maybe that's what he going for. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Maybe that's what he's going for. Cause not like us takes on a whole new meaning, you know what I'm saying? When it's coming from a heterosexual perspective to a potential homosexual. I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying this is crazy. That's all I'm saying. Guys, y' all gotta stop jacking Iceman on the way, all right? Iceman on the way.
Chris
Nah, this guy, man, having too much fun. I know you're done. Charlamagne. Let me tell you something. Charlamagne with fuck you, money is a problem. It's a problem. It's like a dictator that been in power too long, you know what I mean? Like, nothing matters. Nothing matters.
Charlamagne Tha God
I just feel like I'm. I feel like I'm just saying, some comments. You're free. You're free, bro. I feel like I'm saying some comments.
Chris
You're liberated, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let me ask you a question. Nobody could hurt you. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, ask me. Let me ask a question.
Chris
I feel like the question you're gonna ask me is just you talking after knowing. I feel like you're not even gonna
Charlamagne Tha God
ask me a question after knowing this information that Iceman, Bobby Drake is gay in Marvel Comics and Drake is naming his album that. Don't you want to know why he named his album Iceman?
Chris
Yeah.
Taylor
How come we haven't seen the Iceman movie?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. Shit. Go on fucking Netflix and type in gay rom coms and see what comes up, okay?
Chris
No, there's a TV show about it. It's called Heated Rivalry.
Unknown Male Speaker
Oh, that's.
Charlamagne Tha God
What son.
Chris
That's what I do, guys.
Charlamagne Tha God
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Charlamagne Tha God
You got some church announcements, Hezekiah Walker?
Chris
Yes, sir. This week I'll be in Rhode Island. And then I got that show with Jelly for the. Netflix is a joke fest coming up. I believe that's in May. And then I got a show in Halifax, Nova Scotia this summer. And then I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna add a few different. I think I'm at a few different clubs. Like I did this last weekend in Nashville to kind of like start carving out what this next hour is going to be. And that was like a. That was a fun experience. So I want to get back out there. So I think I'll be announcing that in the near future.
Charlamagne Tha God
You going to be in Providence?
Chris
I'll be in Providence this weekend for sure.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, man. Go to Egardless Biscuit, man. Yeah, I was there a couple of weeks ago. Salute to Irregardless Biscuits. I love that place. I went there twice when I was there that weekend.
Chris
Why were you in Providence?
Charlamagne Tha God
My daughter's shilling competition. But I. I was. Yeah, I went to Iri Godless Biscuit twice, bro.
Chris
Really?
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, my God. The chicken maple. I get the chicken maple biscuit with no cheese and egg. Oh, that place is so good, bro. Irregardless Biscuit. A small little spot, but you should pop in there, man.
Chris
I'm gonna go check it out.
Charlamagne Tha God
If you like biscuits. I love biscuit.
Chris
Who doesn't like biscuits? But it's just so like, I'm 42, bro. I'm not trying to blow the up up.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I just do one. It's just chicken maple.
Chris
We get fat, bro. That's what it is. It's just bread at this age.
Unknown Male Speaker
That's true.
Chris
N. You don't get to eat bread anymore.
Charlamagne Tha God
I went to Jersey Mike's yesterday and had a. A I had wheat bread and I just had the regular with turkey.
Chris
It don't matter.
Charlamagne Tha God
I felt too fat last Rye, sourdough,
Chris
it's all the same out of here. You fat for a week.
Charlamagne Tha God
Can't with the bread now. You're right.
Chris
This guy just had a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Alex
What?
Chris
This guy's fucking crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why do you hate your life?
Chris
Fucking crazy.
Alex
I was asleep. I needed to wake up.
Chris
Nah, nah, it's good. There's a difference between it being good and like, will it stay on our body for a week?
Charlamagne Tha God
Man. Here's the thing. But you know what, Alex? You're actually eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch the way you should, which is as a snack. As a snack?
Taylor
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
We've been fucking up eating that cereal for breakfast. That shit is a snack, bro.
Chris
Son, you know what's crazy is that they would feed us fucking Cookie Crisp, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, cocoa Pebbles at 7:30 and then expect us to sit down and pay attention.
Charlamagne Tha God
How you gonna try to put us on Ritalin, tell us we got adhd, but you gave us all that sugar
Chris
first morning, so now you got every kid on fucking Ritalin because you're popping us full of sugar in the morning.
Charlamagne Tha God
Got the nerve to be mad at me because I'm pulling fire alarms just to run outside the fucking size room.
Chris
You're giving me a line of blow. You're giving a 12 year old a line of coke and then asking him to learn fucking geography.
Charlamagne Tha God
Telling me to sit still.
Chris
Fuck out of here. Sit still.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't even. I'm not even control of my little adolescent body and you giving me all this sugar, but I gotta just sit here.
Chris
That's Fuck, that's not right.
Taylor
How many times did you pull the fire?
Chris
Every time.
Charlamagne Tha God
Fire alarm. I pulled it twice.
Chris
That's it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, twice. You know I pulled the fire alarm at the Charleston Museum one time when I was a kid.
Chris
What does the Charleston Museum have it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Back in the day they had like the dinosaur bones. It was a museum, but it was. I didn't even pull the alarm. I opened the emergency exit door. Like the door they tell you not to open. Because I swore that that's where they was hiding. The good. The good. I remember that shit like Cause, you know, I'm looking at the dinosaur fossils and everything, and I'm asking questions. I was. I don't remember how old I was. I gotta ask my mom how old I was. And they was like, don't. You know, I saw the door and the door said, do not open. And my brain just was like, why
Chris
you can't break and not.
Charlamagne Tha God
Not open that door there. What's back.
Chris
What's back there?
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know it's some good back there. I opened that set the whole alarm off at the museum.
Chris
But did you find something?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I don't remember. I just know we had to evacuate everybody. Had to get the out the museum.
Chris
Wait a minute, Charlamagne, you're saying that the museum wasn't hiding the good.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't even go past the door. You know what I'm saying?
Chris
Funny idea. Like, the museum, which is there to show you, is like, nah, we can't go maul this.
Charlamagne Tha God
They probably got the good in the back.
Chris
Like what?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know. I don't know if I believe in dinosaurs anymore.
Taylor
Did you watch the Morgan Freeman movie?
Unknown Male Speaker
What?
Charlamagne Tha God
What?
Chris
Why you believe everything?
Charlamagne Tha God
Here's the thing. You have bones of things. Nah, nah.
Taylor
Yeah, but they could have.
Chris
I don't even believe they could have stopped dinosaurs.
Charlamagne Tha God
They don't show us that shit no more. When the last time you seen dinosaur fossils?
Chris
Yo, I don't believe. I don't go too far. None of y' all believe dinosaurs look the way they looked, right?
Alex
Yeah, No, I think they looked a little different.
Charlamagne Tha God
Or even their sound, but they still were big.
Chris
They're just chickens, right? It's big chickens. It's big birds. That's what it is.
Taylor
Did you watch it?
Chris
What?
Taylor
The Morgan Freeman.
Chris
He's not a dinosaur. He's just an old dinosaur.
Charlamagne Tha God
Why are you doing it? He's a legend. How would you say that about somebody that could be your grandfather? He's not even. I don't even know why you would do it.
Chris
Don't say that.
Charlamagne Tha God
He would be her grandfather. That was hellbound. You hellbound. Hell's crazy. You are hellbound. You said that. You are hellbound. You need to get on your knees and repent for that one. Now we talking.
Chris
Yo, bet your mouth, man. Yo, bet your mouth is insanity. That is crazy. That's you. Who invented that?
Charlamagne Tha God
Crazy. You bet your mouth.
Chris
You invented that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, I've been betting my mouth on this podcast for years, son.
Chris
We have. Yo, it's crazy, bro. What is going on here. It's insane.
Charlamagne Tha God
Every now and then I still get a tweet that be like, yo, you still 069 top. Yo, yo, you bet your mouth first. But I don't care. I said it. Yeah, because this is what y' all don't understand. I said this thing.
Chris
Yeah, but you gotta understand he can't really collect it. One day you're gonna bet your mouth on someone who could collect not.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I don't bet. I bet other mouths. Oh. Church announcements. Black Effect Podcast Festival April 25 Atlanta, GA Pullman Yards. Pull up, pull up, pull up. All the fan packages are already sold out. I don't know why y' all always. But thank y'. All. We appreciate you. Student tickets are still left. Some general admission tickets are still left. Go to black effect.com podcast festival. Drink Champs is going to be on that stage. Nori and DJ EFN Mona. Don't Call Me White Girl is going to be on that stage. Crystal Renee Haslet is going to be on there with the Keep It Positive Sweetie podcast. Carlos King with Reality with the King is going to be there. Devonte Kyle and Ice Cupcat, they'll be there with the Grits and Eggs podcast. And Jeff teague with Club 520 will be there. So go get your tickets. Blackffect.com podcast festival Man, I had a great time last week. Huh?
Taylor
I had something.
Alex
You know why he thought about that? Cause he was betting mouths and it's in Atlanta.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think Atlanta's as gay as it used to be.
Taylor
I don't think so either.
Chris
Why'd you throw gay out there?
Charlamagne Tha God
What? That's what it was like Atlanta at one point. I think Atlanta might have been the gayest city in America.
Chris
You could bet mouth for any. Anything.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, that's not the right bet.
Chris
But you could bet mouth for. For a guy to girl.
Charlamagne Tha God
Who would bet that? I don't want that. Nice bet.
Chris
It's a good bet. It's a win. Win. N, N, N, N, N n n. What?
Charlamagne Tha God
You know the bet I want.
Chris
What's the bet you want?
Charlamagne Tha God
You gonna suck Bobby Drake's Popsicle. Oh, come on. It's freezing. You gonna suck Bobby Drake's freestyle dick. What? What? Taylor. What? Taylor. His blow.
Taylor
I was going to say with the Black Effect. I will be out there too, doing man on the street.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hey, little Taylor Gang Mama T. What
Chris
are you going to be asking people?
Taylor
I don't know. I've been decided. But it's going to be.
Charlamagne Tha God
You going to bring your Little tiny mic.
Taylor
I should, but I feel like I'm about to advance to this other camera. But okay. Also, I haven't made the announcement yet of what it is, but I have an event coming in May, so stay tuned.
Charlamagne Tha God
Taylor, you gotta promote.
Chris
Taylor. Taylor, what just happened?
Taylor
Exactly right.
Chris
Taylor, we need to know what just happened.
Charlamagne Tha God
You having an event, you know what I'm saying? You gotta say something like iceman on the way, like, you know what I'm saying?
Taylor
Okay, I'm having an entrepreneurial event, so stay tuned for more details.
Chris
Oh, can you give us some details? I'm curious about this.
Charlamagne Tha God
This. Don't worry, Taylor, if you don't have it together yet, don't worry. It's a nice tease.
Taylor
No, I mean, it's coming together, but I didn't. We haven't like made the announcement yet.
Charlamagne Tha God
We're not.
Chris
Well, we, we will be there to support.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes. I don't know yet. I got to see what it is, hater. I got to hear more. I need more details.
Taylor
So many people. They let you know.
Charlamagne Tha God
When is it going to be, huh?
Taylor
It's going to be in May.
Chris
In May. Okay.
Alex
If you haven't heard, I have a new show. It's called AM Mornings. Check me out. Every Sunday live at 11am Eastern. It's a live call in show. I want to hear from you guys. So, yeah, that's AM mornings on YouTube. See you guys there.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, well, blackeffect.com podcast festival. Get your tickets. Damn. It was something else I wanted to talk about. Maybe it'll come back to me. What else we got? Taylor Gang. Oh, nascar, man. Salute to nascar. I had a great time.
Chris
I saw you out there, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
I had a great time, man. I was at Darlington raceway for the O'Reilly. What's the race called? The O'Reilly. Hold on, let me get the name of the race right, man. O'Reilly.
Chris
O'Reilly.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, that is them. They sponsored it. Yeah. O'Reilly Auto Parts Series.
Chris
Wow.
Charlamagne Tha God
My guy, Raja Carruth.
Chris
Raja Carruth. Any relation to Ray?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I asked him that.
Chris
And what did he say?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, they not. They're not related. But do you sponsor his car? I sponsored his car. I sponsored his car for that event. Raja is an up and coming star in nascar. He's only the third black driver to win like a NASCAR series. Let me get, let me get Raj's stats. Let me get Raj's information, right? Because I want y' all to look up Roger Karuf and we're gonna have. I said that because we're gonna have the NASCAR race stimulator simulator. Simulator. I'm sorry, we're gonna have. Yes. He's the third black driver to win a NASCAR National Touring Series race, following Wendell Scott and Bubba Wallace. But we're gonna have the race car simulator at the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Cause, you know, that's how Raja learned to drive.
Chris
I actually, he. He blew up because he's the only driver to get pulled over during a race. Didn't you know that,
Charlamagne Tha God
Taylor? What else?
Chris
Did you. Did you not see that race?
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't see that race.
Chris
That was crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't even.
Chris
I couldn't.
Taylor
It.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't see that one.
Chris
I couldn't believe it. Charlotte.
Charlamagne Tha God
That black effect car. Look. Fire, though.
Chris
Did it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, my God, dude. Oh, let's do this one. LaRussell.
Taylor
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Controversial song. Heaven Sent. We. We never spoke about this. Are you up on the Russell?
Chris
I've loved this kid for a while. Dude, my guy, I think this. And it's like, this is a very tricky one, obviously, but this guy's fantastic.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let's.
Chris
This guy is fantastic. Did you buy his album?
Charlamagne Tha God
How many. He's got 30 out.
Chris
Well, no, he just released one kind of on his own, and his goal was to sell, like, a hundred thousand copies.
Charlamagne Tha God
He's released 30 albums. On his.
Chris
This last one, the goal was to sell 100,000 copies, and people were, you know, buying something.
Charlamagne Tha God
Did I. I don't know. I had him on Breakfast Club. I don't know if I did, and I really can't remember if I did or not. I believe I did. Like, LaRussell's my guy. Hovain put me onto LaRussell. God bless the dead. Hovain was managing the Russell at the time. And Hovain. I remember when. I remember it was like, 20, 21, and I was in South Carolina for the summer. Not for the summer, but for, like, Fourth of July or something. And Hovain texted me. He was like, yo, listen to that freestyle I sent you. And I was like, bet. But I didn't listen to it. He texted me. He was like, you didn't listen to that freestyle I sent you? Cause he knew if I heard it,
Chris
you'd be like, this.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'd be like, this dude is amazing. That's literally what I thought. I'm like, yo, this guy is amazing. And, you know, he's went on to create such a great lane for himself. Independent. Now he's signed to Roc Nation, and they're upset with him because he said it says Hollywood Unlocked says rapper La Russell doubles down on lyrics claiming Adolf Hitler, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein were heaven sent. Then deactivates accounts after intensified backlash.
Chris
This is a tricky one because I'd be curious to ask, and I imagine he's a God fearing man. I don't know his background, but if he is a devout Christian, what he's saying is that these people who he knows have committed heinous acts are also heaven sent.
Charlamagne Tha God
Right.
Chris
That's what he's saying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Right.
Chris
That's what his claim is. I'd be hard pressed to find a religious figure that wouldn't say the same
Charlamagne Tha God
thing about not heaven sent.
Chris
I mean, aren't we. Isn't everybody. Isn't the point that he's trying to
Unknown Male Speaker
make, Heaven sent also has a connotation.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, heaven sent me. And this is what's very important. When I, you know, I listen to, I listen to the song.
Chris
Am I doing the thing where I'm defending the wrong thing?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no, no, you're not, you're not. You're, you're. What you're doing is you're understanding the context of something.
Chris
I'm just trying to understand somebody who I've followed and I thought was like really talented. But you see the Internet piling on him and I see that what he said and how controversial it is. But maybe given like the amount of stuff I've watched him do, I'm like, I don't see this guy as trying to go, hey, these guys are okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
You understand the context.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
If you actually listen to the song and you heard his explanation afterwards, I understood the context. What he messed up is using the words heaven sent. Because heaven sent means something that feels like it was sent by God or a higher power to help you, bless you, or save you at the right moment. Now what La Russell is simply saying is that God created. That's what I created, all of these things. I mean, I mean, the reality is he did like, what is it? Yeah, Isaiah 45, 7, I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord, do all these things.
Chris
So let me ask you a question.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yo. Satan was created in heaven. He's a fallen angel.
Chris
Satan is heaven sent.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I don't know. I don't.
Chris
Since when in music or art do we have to use the exact definition of a word? Or else it is interpreted in the
Charlamagne Tha God
words of the Internet? No, no. So there's two different things. Words matter. So there's two different things. The Internet is nothing but words.
Chris
So there's Two different things. I don't think anybody I'd be, I doubt, I don't want to speak frank, anybody. But like me, the way I'm looking at this is the reason he's saying it. And it's such a provocative thing to say. The reason he even goes, hey, my engineer told me not to put this out. He's prefacing you with, hey, I'm going to say something that I know is going to sound horribly wrong, but these people are human beings. Horrible things that they've done. Heinous, the worst of the worst. But they are also human beings. Now I don't know what he means by that. I don't know if he thinks that they shouldn't be punished. Maybe he thinks they'll receive the ultimate punishment from God for what they've done.
Alex
Done.
Chris
But who else created them if not God?
Charlamagne Tha God
I, I, that, but that's a different conversation. I agree.
Chris
That's what I thought he was trying
Charlamagne Tha God
to say that, that that was the context of what he was saying. Like Once again, Isaiah 45:7, I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord do all these things. Once again, Satan was created in heaven. I just don't think that they're heaven sent. Like Satan was a fallen angel, you know? You know a better question because you know, like we can agree the heaven sent thing was wrong, but we do know that God did create all of these entities. Right. The better question is could they repent for their sins? Now that's tough. Now if you're a Christian and you have to believe that everybody can repent for their sins, could those individuals he named repent? I don't know. I'm just asking.
Unknown Male Speaker
No, they should be able to because
Charlamagne Tha God
they got this hell right. Right.
Chris
They should be God.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's hell.
Unknown Male Speaker
I don't even know what repent for your sins means.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, because I don't want to hear
Chris
that or ask forgiveness.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I'm with you.
Alex
Change behavior.
Unknown Male Speaker
Hitler changed behavior.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's what I'm saying. You can't. But that's my point and I think that's what you're saying too, Chris. Like could Hitler have been a born again Christian? Could Epstein have been a born again Christian? Like hell no. We like, like the Bible does talk about hell. Now I don't believe, I don't, I don't be saying, you know, such and such is going to hell. I don't believe that. I'm, I don't have the moral authority to say some shit like that. But if based on scripture, this is
Chris
where it gets tricky.
Charlamagne Tha God
Them guys are burning in flames.
Chris
You would hope.
Charlamagne Tha God
Eternal damnation. You would hope. That's all I'm saying. But. But that.
Unknown Male Speaker
You guys really think there's a hell?
Charlamagne Tha God
Honestly, I don't know. I don't, I don't.
Chris
I think you live in it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I do too.
Chris
But again, I don't know. But like, I, I think that you live in your hell. I think you can also live in your heaven.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think heaven is what you make it and hell is what you go through to get there.
Chris
Yeah, I think that works too. But like, also, like, if you're living a sinning life, like, yeah, there's some sociopaths out there that just don't feel. And they have competitive advantage because they, they just don't feel that empathy towards other people. But for people who do feel empathy and they're doing fucked up shit all the time, it's like, yeah, they're living in heaven, hell. They're miserable.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh yeah, they're miserable. Absolutely. I see it in their eyes on YouTube every day. But listen, none of y' all answered the question and that's how, you know.
Chris
What was the question?
Charlamagne Tha God
Could those people repent and become born again? I don't think so either.
Chris
Well, according to whom? To Chris? No.
Unknown Male Speaker
You know, I don't believe in the general Christ.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't, I don't. I personally don't.
Chris
I don't have the forgiveness that Christ got. God, that's why he's Christ and that's why we're humans.
Charlamagne Tha God
But Christ, but, but God, Christ, they, they gave us rules, man. Like really specific rules. And some people, some people overstep a little bit. And some people be like it, Satan, you are king.
Chris
There are people I, I don't forgive and they don't even know it.
Charlamagne Tha God
If God made man in his image according to his likeness. Yeah, you don't forgive off the. I'm just saying. I don't.
Chris
I, I want to get better at it.
Charlamagne Tha God
I just don't think. I just don't think I want to
Chris
get better at it. It's powerful, though. Forgiveness is powerful.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think that.
Chris
So should we forgive LaRussell for this?
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely. Just a bad choice of words.
Taylor
He said he has an interview.
Alex
But the bad thing is that I
Charlamagne Tha God
did see it with Gina Views and DJ Head. My people kind of doubled down and
Alex
he didn't do what Schultz just did. Schultz was like, oh, I misunderstood the meaning of that word. If he would have just said that because I do think he's trying to say the same thing. Oh, these are all God's children.
Taylor
Children.
Alex
But by using the word heaven sent implies that these people that did positive things, he would have just admitted, oh, I misspoke, that's all.
Chris
Does anybody actually believe that little Russell thinks that they did positive things, those three people that he mentioned?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, but that's why words matter. Heaven sent literally means something or someone that feels like it was sent by God or a higher power to help you, bless you, or save you at the right moment. The literal idea, heaven equals God, divine source sent equals delivered to you. So it literally means sent from heaven for a purpose.
Chris
That's a tough.
Unknown Male Speaker
Why?
Charlamagne Tha God
What you mean?
Unknown Male Speaker
I mean, this is like when you see a NBA game or a college game and after the game they ask the player on the winning team, you know, anything. Oh, I want to thank God for, you know, know. Oh, God wanted to determine the outcome of a second round NCAA game.
Charlamagne Tha God
But see, I disagree with that. Chris, think about it. I think those players are thanking God for winning. I think they're thanking God for just being able to finish a game healthy, not getting hurt.
Unknown Male Speaker
But that implies God made the decision that this player shouldn't get hurt.
Charlamagne Tha God
Kyrie Irving, when Kyrie Irving got hurt, Kyrie Irving was on the free throw line. Kyrie Irving said, thank you, God, for what? Because Kyrie Irving is the person that believes every. Things don't happen to you, they happen for you. So. And that's like, that's actually a dope mindset. That's how my brain works. I don't believe in so called good or so called bad. I believe everything is just part of a process. And yo. And I think.
Unknown Male Speaker
But what's the other side of that coin is what I'm saying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, what do you mean? I agree with what you mean.
Unknown Male Speaker
The other side of the coin, okay, a kid's gonna die of cancer.
Chris
I've heard this take, but I've heard this take.
Unknown Male Speaker
So what's the answer?
Charlamagne Tha God
I think that if you believe in God, you gotta believe in God with all.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah, okay.
Chris
No, I think that like, I've heard this take, and this is like the classic atheist take and the criticisms of the all powerful God who is, you know, dictating destiny, where it's like, okay, a kid dies of cancer and you're like, why would God want to do that? Yes, I've heard that. The. I think what happens here is like, you have a choice in life to decide that the things that happen to you happen to you because you're smited, happen to you for no real reason at all, or happen to you because they're preparing you for some other better outcome in the future. Future. And the one that probably gives you the most joy is going, hey, I'm going through this really tough time right now, and I need to figure out what this is, why this is happening to me, and why it's going to help me ultimately get to this amazingly beautiful time. Because it's really easy to wallow in your sadness and go, woe is me. And why does everything horrible. Right. Yeah. It can offer you resiliency. So whether it's a belief that you truly have and you believe in God and God is there for you, or whether it's you are choosing to take a positive mindset into an incredibly negative situation, there's one direction you can go that potentially makes you happy, and there's one direction you can go that justifies all your sadness. And I think it's harder to be positive in those negative times.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, we need just one time. Just one time. We need some people to go live
Chris
from the other side and just remind
Charlamagne Tha God
us just to show us, right? Like, there might be people that we be like, dang, why would God allow that to happen? Happened. And then we go on the other side and they like, yo, life is lit over here. My God. God needed me on this side, and I'm doing my. I'm doing my thing. This is amazing. Well, then you need some people to go live from eternal damnation, too, to be like, please, kids, change your mind. That would be the beyond Scared Straight of the century. Forget the presence. Yeah, show us what happens if you really in hell. Boy, if we knew hell really existed.
Chris
Oh, man. Man, you worried about prison, by the way.
Charlamagne Tha God
By the way. I would respect. I would respect all the evil people then.
Alex
Oh, if you saw that and then
Chris
doubled down, because if you knew about that,
Unknown Male Speaker
the ultimate Scared Straight.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, that'd be the. That'd be the greatest. Show me hell. Showing me hell would change so many people's lives overnight.
Chris
But then there's no point of faith.
Alex
Yeah, there's no faith.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, that's not true.
Chris
Well, you don't need faith if you got proof.
Charlamagne Tha God
But. But still, you, you, you. I think, man, you actually have something stronger than faith. Complete submission. If you're. If. Complete submission. If you knew there was a hell, right, and you knew there was a heaven, it wouldn't even be like, yo, yo, I don't know about y', all, but I'm I'm going to get baptized. Yo, all praises due to God, like I. And by the way, faith is great, but man, submission, ultimate submission.
Unknown Male Speaker
But in 300,000, 500,000 years of human history, however long we've been here, wouldn't God just let us get a little 10 second clip?
Charlamagne Tha God
I think he does when all the time. I think we don't pay attention to the signs. I don't know about y', all, but I know when my life is going great because I'm actually doing the right things, and when my life is going bad, because I'm not. That's why there's certain things, man, over the last decade, whatever, throw anything at me. I know I'm living righteous, you know what I'm saying? But prior to that, I know I ain't doing right by my wife, you know what I mean? So if it's fucked up shit that happened, like, fuck, man, I caused that to happen. But when I start moving the way I know that I'm supposed to move, and I'm out here living righteously and doing right by my wife, I don't give a fuck what happens. I know that's not my. So that's just something that God wants me to go through for the moment, and I learned from it. And keep it moving. She sucking your teeth?
Taylor
What happens when you be, like, making fun of people and everything?
Charlamagne Tha God
Don't listen to the devil, y'.
Alex
All.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see how that. You see how this. This is what I want. Y' all. Don't listen to the devil. You see how you see that Was the devil over. You hear the devil in the corner? The devil just sucked his teeth. Because I said if I do right by God, my life goes great. But when I do the wrong thing, it goes bad. And you hear the devil suck his teeth. Like, get back out here and get on these hoes, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Okay, not. Wait, you know what? We got P tomorrow. I'm gonna say P, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be honest with you, you know, took me a while, my first couple years to get it together, so, you know, I want to get some shit.
Chris
Do your thing, bro.
Alex
Oh, shit.
Charlamagne Tha God
See? Yeah. Now you got the fucking.
Taylor
First of all, it's very clear. My fiance not gonna be given to the devil like how you did.
Charlamagne Tha God
So he married to him? He just proposed. He proposed.
Taylor
I am no devil.
Charlamagne Tha God
He proposed.
Taylor
If that's the case, then why you keep me in your corner then?
Alex
Ooh.
Chris
Keep your friends close.
Charlamagne Tha God
Listen, you can't have light without darkness. You gotta keep a little bit of darkness around just so you know what light look like. Let's pay some bills and do some asking. Idiots. Mate, I want to add one more thing about the. The Russell thing before you put a button on it.
Chris
You know, is this bad to talk about this? Is this like.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no, no. I think it's good. I think it's good. The ill thing about the LA Russell
Chris
thing, though, is that your guy's hesitancy to defend him makes me feel uncomfortable.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think it's LaRusso, my guy. I ain't going to. You know, I roll with my people. I don't think. I don't. I don't think it's his defense. He. His wording was wrong. He shouldn't have said heaven sent. But his sentiment, right when we're having these conversations about, you know, God creating these entities, it's kind of this. Another part of that energy is like, you know how when somebody dies, right? Like they're not somebody kills somebody in somebody's family. You know, you see it Oftentimes you see these. I think about Dylann Roof at Emanuel ame, when Dylann Roof, you know, killed all of those people in my hometown in Charleston, South Carolina, the family forgave him. All right? You see, these situations happen other times where the murderer will kill somebody in the family and the family forgives the murderer. Now, listen, I don't know if the family truly feels like that, but their faith and their religion makes them do that. And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of in LaRussell's take as well. It's rooted in like. Like Christian religion, which is these people were created by God, too. I'm not saying that's right. I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying that is the belief of a lot of people around this world that believe in Christianity.
Alex
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
So I don't know. That's just my button on it. You want to do some bills?
Chris
Let's do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Foreign.
Chris
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Charlamagne Tha God
Before we do some asking nidious, I want to salute to Frasier Tharp, too, man. That's who sat down with Jay Z and did the interview. Frasier Tharp. He works for GQ magazine. I've seen his name before because I've read a few of his articles. Actually, prior I read his clips featured before, he had this article about what was the future. After the rap battle with Kendrick and Dre, he. I mean, he's written some really good stuff. So salute to Frasier Tharp. I know. Don't. I want people to salute the person that was doing the interview? You know what I mean? I don't know him personally, but I've seen his work before.
Alex
He used to be on Complex, right? I think so. Like, back in the day, I think
Charlamagne Tha God
he might have used to be on Complex.
Chris
I know we said never do a podcast if you're famous, but there is something fun about doing one like once a year, you know, like, for like a Jay Z or for like any of these, like, big celebrities. There is something fun about like, once a year. Just making a moment out of it.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, Jade's even better. This. This is once in what every. I can't even remember the last Jay Z interview.
Chris
Jay Z was the last one with MK Come. Nah, bro. You're not getting me too excited too.
Taylor
No, it's too easy, though.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let's do some asking. Idiots, man.
Taylor
Wait, are you nervous, Taylor?
Charlamagne Tha God
Huh? Nervous about what?
Taylor
It says you can now enlisten army at 42.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm 47, Alex. I don't worry about that shit with your loose. Alex, Alex, Alex. Gotta worry. How old are you, Alex?
Chris
Half a second. You almost got me.
Charlamagne Tha God
How old are you, Alex?
Chris
35. I'm 42.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, you'll be good. You're not. You'll be done.
Chris
But they said April.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, this April? Not till October.
Chris
I might be going. We gotta wrap this war up, bro. We gotta wrap this war up.
Taylor
Force people. I just don't understand how they.
Charlamagne Tha God
I also.
Chris
I always.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't feel guilty.
Chris
Not rep. Not. Not doing some sort of a service.
Charlamagne Tha God
All right, let me tell you something about it.
Taylor
I'm gonna say I'm Good.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think America, they don't understand their. They don't understand their citizens. In 2026, everybody gonna be like Muhammad Ali in 26 things. This war, by the way. Not because of any reasons that Muhammad Ali did. Just because we lazy as a.
Chris
Not even that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nobody going to. No.
Chris
You got to tell us what. Why we there first?
Charlamagne Tha God
They not going.
Chris
Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no.
Charlamagne Tha God
Send ice. Get ice out the airport.
Chris
Yo, low kid.
Charlamagne Tha God
Send ice to go fight. Yeah.
Chris
Bring TSA back. Bring TSA back.
Taylor
Have you seen the videos? And I've been doing nothing, Floyd.
Chris
I don't know. I'm not sure.
Charlamagne Tha God
I have no idea. But the draft is not going to work in America in 2026.
Chris
Not for this one. Not for this.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think it'll work for any war.
Chris
I think it depends. Like, I think if you got it.
Charlamagne Tha God
This is America.
Alex
Oh, you just said here.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, I said America. I ain't say about Russia and China. America got too much freedom. They ain't giving that up to go to war. Brian, underscore Rolia. 710 says struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself?
Taylor
Still spaghetti sandwiches.
Charlamagne Tha God
Ooh. That's not a struggle. That's fire.
Taylor
I don't think so either. I love spaghetti sandwiches.
Chris
Man, that's crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
On some white bread.
Taylor
Oh, some white bread is amazing.
Charlamagne Tha God
That is hot.
Taylor
No one else knows about that but you. Everyone else has said, like, they're so
Charlamagne Tha God
confused about it, man. My wife be making spaghetti now for the kids. I'd be so mad. Why would you make that shit and make me eat grilled chicken and broccoli and. And sweet potatoes, you know what I'm saying? Like, why can't I have. Can you make the pasta with some wheat maybe? You know what I mean? Put a little turkey ground beef instead of the beef. Can you think about the less fortunate in this house for lunch? Right.
Alex
Wait, is it like, real pasta and you just put it between a sandwich?
Taylor
Why?
Chris
I'm so confused.
Taylor
Like, I make mines with one bread, and then you just put, like, a taco. Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
And then that's what I do.
Chris
That's cool. Crazy. Pasta is bread. You're just having bread on bread.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, you're right.
Taylor
Yeah. So what?
Charlamagne Tha God
You said struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself still. So this is past tense.
Taylor
I also want struggle food. It's different textures.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think it's struggle food at all. I'm just saying this is back when
Taylor
we had more metallicity making it seem so crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
That was one of my favorite meals, bro. My mama makes spaghetti and then I just. My mama makes spaghetti with corn and just take the white bread and you take the white bread and put the spaghetti in between white bread and eat that like a hot dog. Dog or taco.
Taylor
Do you. Wait African. Do you have spaghetti with fish, Fry fish? Because they do that. They do that in the country. I don't know.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I definitely have said that. Eat fish and spaghetti. What's a struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself still, Andrew. Dollar slices.
Chris
Nah. Struggle food is crazy because I don't think it's struggle food. But, like, I'm. I like cereal and I don't think it's struggle, but, like, I'm a grown up and I'll eat cereal. Like.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, it's like, listen, I get the
Taylor
candy plain or do you wait with the milk?
Chris
No, I go milk. I go a Special K, Red berries. But it's like, I love it. I. I love this. I would have it for dinner. I'll have it for any time I possibly can. But it's not struggle. Like, spaghetti sandwiches is struggle.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, they not.
Taylor
Listen, they're not.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what's struggling? Not eating. Okay. I don't. I don't like to call food struggle food.
Chris
That's true. Any food.
Charlamagne Tha God
You're not struggling now. Salute to Colleen Witt. Colleen has the show Eating While Bo broke on the Black Effect. She don't call it struggle, though. She just calls it eating while broke. What was the things that you used to eat while you were broke? When you was broke.
Chris
Yeah.
Taylor
Y' all would call peanut butter and jelly struggle food.
Chris
No, no, That's a treat.
Charlamagne Tha God
Fire.
Chris
That's ice cream.
Charlamagne Tha God
Fire. Now every now and then, I gotta indulge in a peanut butter.
Alex
It's kind of a struggle, fool, if you're eating it multiple times a day.
Chris
Yeah. Or if you're not having it for breakfast.
Unknown Male Speaker
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, cereal is a snack, but I
Chris
don't consider it struggle.
Taylor
Me neither.
Charlamagne Tha God
Once again, if you eating, that ain't a struggle.
Chris
Yeah, yeah. Like, when we're eating all these things, it's a choice. If you have to eat spaghetti and bread, yes, that's a struggle.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, that's not.
Taylor
No, it's not.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got spaghetti.
Taylor
You're really making the spaghetti.
Charlamagne Tha God
Spaghetti means that you got the pasta, the ground beef, the sauce, whatever seasoning you put in there. And you got bread. That's a homemade meat.
Taylor
When y' all get pasta from, don't they give you bread. So what's the problem?
Chris
No, no, you're making sense in terms of, like, you dip the bread into the sauce, but then you eat the pasta, et cetera, and you're just, like, mashing it together. I get it, but it's just crazy, the idea to put, like, pasta on bread for some reason. That's just weird.
Charlamagne Tha God
Struggle. Struggle is like when you don't got nothing to eat in your house or ass.
Taylor
What they used to do, the bread, the syrup sandwiches or something like that. I never did it, but you have. I've never done that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Post the bread. Yo, I remember when I was thinking about this the other day, yo, when I had the microwave, you know. You know when you first got microwaves back in the day day. And you would see the microwave when you come home from school, and, you know, you didn't know how to cook, but the microwave say, French toast, 20 minutes or some like that.
Chris
Put toast in there for 20 minutes.
Charlamagne Tha God
Put a piece of bread in there for 20, 30 minutes, and then that be all br. Like, why the. This don't look like my mom's. Y' all know what you.
Taylor
You know. Oh, cuz, you did the.
Charlamagne Tha God
Turn the mic away. I was born in 1978 and proud of it. God damn it. Uncle Andre said, as blacks, shouldn't we reward whites for good behavior like we do dogs and kids?
Chris
All right, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
You don't reward people for what they supposed to do.
Alex
That's funny.
Charlamagne Tha God
And what is good behavior?
Taylor
Not being racist, I guess
Charlamagne Tha God
that should be easy. That should be the easiest thing for some people to do, but it's not for whatever reason.
Chris
Yeah. Didn't Jack Harlow. Wasn't he having good behavior?
Taylor
You.
Chris
You didn't get rewarded.
Taylor
No, no, cuz it stand for my
Charlamagne Tha God
Jack going on tour. I saw them announcing today.
Chris
That's cool.
Charlamagne Tha God
Ain't nobody want to see that. What did he do, bro? I love Jack.
Chris
What did he do?
Charlamagne Tha God
I want to see Jack sing, man.
Chris
What did he do?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yo, has Jack. Jack ain't even. Didn't know Jack. Jack didn't do nothing else after that New York Times interview. Jack got low.
Alex
Oh, oh.
Charlamagne Tha God
Jack said it. You know what else Jack up at?
Chris
Stop. I should have never even.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, no, no, no, no. You know what else jacked up at? And the Jay Z interview makes me think about it. Did Jay Z sit down with gq? Yes, but he sat down with Frasier Tharp, a young black man. If you're a white artist, don't rapper
Chris
with the two white guys.
Charlamagne Tha God
Don't Sit down with two white guys telling them, you got blacker, bro.
Chris
Does New York Times employ non white people?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know. Well, my point is, if you're gonna. If you're gonna dive into a black genre even deeper. You already do rap, but now you're gonna do R B. Go sit with the black people, yo. But go sit with. I don't care what black platform you pick, what black ocean pick. Go sit with them.
Chris
I wonder if it was two black people interviewing him.
Alex
That would look crazy.
Chris
And he said the same thing.
Charlamagne Tha God
He wouldn't have done it.
Taylor
He wouldn't have.
Chris
No, but what if.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, it would have been funny.
Chris
It would have been funny.
Charlamagne Tha God
Funny. And then it wouldn't have been funny. That's right. And then it wouldn't have been this whole, like, you know, where you should have went. I'm going to tell you where you fucked up, Jack. And I don't know if you're talking to the people that generation now, but if you were, I feel like Drama and Lake would have directed you a little bit better. You should have went to the R and B Money podcast. You should have sat with Tank and J. Valentine, and if they said to
Chris
him, they're like, yeah, your music got whatever. And he goes, I got black hair. And they started laughing. Don't you think that the Internet just laughs at it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Listen, if he would have sat with Tank and Jay Valentine for his rollout, matter of fact, before the rollout, he should have sat with Tank and Jay Valentine and did a listening with Tank and Jay Valentine on the R and B Money podcast. Tank and Jay Valentine are the R and B gods, right? So even if they co sign it a little bit or they're saying, this is cool, but you should have did this better or blah, blah, blah, it makes us receive the music totally different. And if you say that joke about, yo, you got black, they laugh. Everybody keeps it moving. But no, you want to go, huh?
Taylor
That's what changed your mind about it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Would that have changed my mind about it?
Taylor
No.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, my mind hasn't changed about. The album is trash.
Taylor
But I'm saying, I'm saying if he did that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Narrative is important. Yo, narrative is important. Narrative makes you look at things with different perspectives.
Chris
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
So if he sits with the Army Money podcast, Tank and Jay Valentine create a different narrative around this album. And if Tank and J. Valentine just put it out there like, this shit is actually all right. Now, my approach to it is different because I'm like, all right, Tank and J. Valentine set Aside, let me listen. Yeah, but if you listen with my neck today, I'm like, this shit is trash.
Chris
And listen, if you don't like the album, you might not like the album, but maybe you would receive that comment in a very different light.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. Oscar B. Savage on him says, a life without anything that associates to sex or a life without women.
Chris
A life without anything that associates to sex. What does that mean?
Charlamagne Tha God
I have no idea what the fuck Oscar B. Savage on him is saying. A life without anything that associates to sex. That means that you're never gonna have sex. You're never gonna get head or anything like that. Or a life without you. I guess I would take a life without anything that associates to sex, and I'll tell you why.
Chris
But then you don't have sex at all. But they're at least. But there's still women.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes. Cause here's the thing, Oscar, be savage on. I wouldn't miss the sex. Cause I wouldn't even know what sex is. A life without anything that associates the sex. I don't even know what sex is, so I don't even know what I'm missing. So give me my women. Give me the women. You know, just to sit around, kick it, have conversation with, laugh, joke. That's my life now.
Chris
So no sex, but there's women and. Or what's the other one?
Charlamagne Tha God
No women or life without women. No women.
Chris
So there's still no sex.
Alex
What women are.
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, if there's no women, it's just a bunch of guys sitting around the earth. Don't even last much longer because we all going to die because we can't procreate and we don't know what sex is.
Chris
No, no, you can't procreate.
Alex
And you know what sex is?
Chris
You can't procreate. Everybody else can.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's no women.
Chris
No. You got to be something, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
You really trying to be progressive, bro. What are you saying? What are you saying, bro? What the fuck are you trying to tell us right now? What the. You mean we can't procreate, but you can when it's just a bunch of men here?
Chris
I'm heaven sent, bro.
Charlamagne Tha God
What the.
Chris
Yo, just let me be heaven sent, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
What are you trying to say, man? If y' all could pick the color of nails for Alex Media, what color would you pick and why?
Chris
Scrotum.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. I think a nice scrotum. Brown would be good.
Chris
Like a brown scrotum?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Chris
So they just disappear on into it?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, more like a scrotum. Like a scrotum. Biracial brown.
Chris
Ooh, yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, I like.
Chris
So, like a light skin, like J. Cole nuts color.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, that's a good one for you. You don't think so?
Chris
We were talking about fighting, imagining it,
Charlamagne Tha God
so I'm just saying the color of Jake Hole. Because that's almost like a nude.
Chris
A nude.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? That would be good for you.
Alex
Why are you thinking about J. Cole's nuts right now?
Charlamagne Tha God
I wasn't. You just.
Chris
You just did.
Charlamagne Tha God
Did that.
Alex
You did.
Chris
Should we be able to. Go, go, go.
Charlamagne Tha God
Go ahead, go ahead.
Chris
Taps. Should we be able to tip TSA agents?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Taylor
Yes.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, 100%.
Taylor
Why are you saying no 100%, especially
Charlamagne Tha God
right now, being that they're not getting paid.
Chris
That's gotta be illegal.
Alex
And then you want to get a
Chris
bomb on this shit, you typically say agent.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, man, he's saying that because the TSA agents aren't getting paid, obviously, but you're not allowed to give them any tips. But the reality is they are working for free right now. Yes, but, yeah, y' all ain't even. Y' all going through the airport, not even telling them thank you and like that.
Chris
No, that's not true. We. We always say thank you. But it's a tricky one, because the fear is that then it becomes like the club. Like, you get to cut the line if you slide them a hundred dollars,
Charlamagne Tha God
but you still can't because you still got to put your bag through security and X ray and all of that like that.
Alex
If you tip them enough, you don't.
Charlamagne Tha God
You think that they're the only people that see what's in that X ray bag? Bag?
Alex
What you mean?
Charlamagne Tha God
You think that the person sitting there is the only person that sees us in that X ray bag? I guarantee you, at the end of the night, everybody's reviewing certain types of tape, and they're like, how the. You got that through? How the fuck you got that through?
Chris
Yo, here's a question. Has there been, like, a terror attack since.
Charlamagne Tha God
Since what?
Chris
Since 9, 11? Like, on a flight?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, not in America.
Chris
They might need a big raise. Like. Like, have they not been killing it?
Charlamagne Tha God
But they stepped it up, Remember the. The. I'm saying, but security wasn't as strict as it was before.
Chris
No, I know, but, like, they've been doing the job. Like, what are we doing right now? Pay these?
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, nothing. Through that. You can't even get a bottle of water. That's over respect.
Chris
So, like, maybe they need a. A little upgrade. So maybe it's not Tips, but whatever. That government money that's coming through, like, they've done the job. We asked them to do the job, they did it.
Charlamagne Tha God
You're not better than. You know how the X ray machine is good? You know how you know the X
Chris
ray machine is good, Taylor?
Charlamagne Tha God
It's when you go to the X
Chris
ray, no more money. I know.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like get a thing.
Chris
I was able to slip us all safe.
Charlamagne Tha God
You don't even think when you fly.
Chris
They can't make any more money, Taylor.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I went there, I went through this weekend. They pulled my bag because I had some lotion in my bag, but the lotion, the bottle is oversized, but I had damn near used all of it. So they were just like, oh, it's almost empty anyway, and just gave it back. So not only do they. They don't just look at the bot.
Chris
The bottle, they're looking how much is in.
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely. Like, TSA does a phenomenal job. I saw my guy at Cuts and slices pieces Pizza and what's the. What's the. What's the chef name? Darren. The chef they gave. They sent a bunch of cuts and slices pieces to LaGuardia Airport.
Alex
Word.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. For the TSA agents. I want to do something like that.
Chris
That's fire. We should do that.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's fire.
Chris
We should do a little something for them when they get back to work and just let them know how good they're at work.
Charlamagne Tha God
They're just not getting paid.
Chris
Well, why are there these crazy lines? They can't be all back at work
Alex
if these lines are a lot of people calling out.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, they got to it, they got to go make injuries.
Alex
They either quit or calling out.
Charlamagne Tha God
They got to make ends meet. What else we got, Taylor? What else we got? Let's do one more.
Taylor
Doing nothing. They just watching the other TSA people
Chris
cuz they don't know how to tsa.
Taylor
But why are they even there?
Chris
That's why they're there.
Taylor
Like, it's no point.
Charlamagne Tha God
No, bro, I'm going be honest with you. I got another theory that those ain't even really the real life agents. Those are not the ones that was on the street with the mask and all of that. Like that.
Chris
Why? Who are they?
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, the one they not wearing mask at the airport.
Chris
Gotcha.
Charlamagne Tha God
But you can just look at them and tell. Like, this is like a temp job. Like, this is like, they just signed these people up. Yeah, they don't look like they don't. Like, I'm like, these can't be the motherfuckers that was in the street jumping out of trucks and slamming people to the ground with the guns and all of that. Like, this shit don't look right. Like it looks like. This ain't the real ice. This ain't the real ice, bro. I really want to talk to one of them and be like, how long you been on the job? Yo, is you in Minnesota?
Taylor
You can talk to them, right?
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? Was you in California? Like, where was you before that? Because ask them. Just look. If you look at them, they do not look like.
Alex
Yeah, they look great.
Charlamagne Tha God
The ICE agents that were on. And by the way, the ICE agents that were on the street had mask on, but they don't even move the same. Sweet. It's kind of weird, bro.
Taylor
Wait, hold on. I have a video of it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Video of what? You were just talking about what, the ICE agents?
Taylor
Yeah, because if someone made a video, like, making fun of them, because they're just chilling, hanging around.
Charlamagne Tha God
Now, that one, the one that had the person on the ground, that He's a veteran, like, that's Minnesota. That one right there. Now, he the one that had the woman on. Now, see those. But they got masks on. So those are. Those are the og.
Chris
I said, now this AI, bro. This. That's AI.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's AI. Yeah.
Taylor
No, but there's one. There is a.
Charlamagne Tha God
How do you know that's AI? Tell me so I don't get got.
Chris
Please watch. Just watch it.
Taylor
Look how. How the video is.
Chris
Look at. Look at how she moves. And then look at his hand to go grab her again.
Charlamagne Tha God
Watch. And by the way, nobody reacts. Well, they do a little bit.
Chris
Barely.
Taylor
Barely.
Charlamagne Tha God
See, that's the bullshit.
Alex
Who's that guy bending?
Charlamagne Tha God
All right, now, look at. Look at this. These guys, these guys, they not wearing masks. They just chilling, having a good old time. Look at them. That is not the ice that has been raising hell all year. Now, he might be.
Chris
He's out there.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's that Capitol Riot White. He might be there. He might be. He might be. Come on, let's do some more. Get up out of here. Taylor Gang.
Andrew Schultz
Gang.
Charlamagne Tha God
Taylor Gang. Taylor Gang. Scroll up. Let's see what do we got? Let's do. Scroll up. Ooh, that's a good one. That's Oscar. Oscar got him here. Right here. What is more effective? Okay, this is a good one to end on. What is more effective? Learning through failure are from other people's mistakes. Mistakes.
Chris
It's. It's smart. People learn from the mistakes of others or whatever that saying, smart People learn
Charlamagne Tha God
from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.
Chris
Yes, but learning through your own failures, there's a immediate, there's immediate reaction to it. Watching other people fail, it's easier to ignore and be like, that wouldn't happen, happen to me. So I think it like there's more motivation when the happens to you 100. Because you got to figure it out. You don't got to figure it out when someone else is feeling.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I definitely think you learn through, you learn more through failure. Like, yeah, smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. I think both of them are very effective.
Chris
Valuable.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah, very. Oh, that's, oh, that's even better. Both of them are very valuable. But learning through failure, your own failure, I think is more effective. I'll tell you what else is also more effective. When you see something, to Choach's point, when you see somebody do something, see that it's a mistake, but think it won't happen to you. And then your dumb ass goes and does the same thing and makes the same mistake. That will teach you two lessons. You're gonna learn from the failure on your own. And you're also gonna be like, okay, next time I'm gonna learn from the mistakes of other people. Right. You know, so I think learning through failure is definitely more effective. But then also, I don't feel like I've ever failed.
Taylor
I was gonna say, what's failure to you?
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't feel like I've ever failed because going back to what we were discussing earlier, earlier, every single so called bad thing that happened in my life led to some type of greater good. Every single. Like there's not one single time I can think about. Every single time I got fired from radio, I ended up with a better job in radio. If you just stop, we're wrapping everything up. What did I say about the rap battles? You take an L in a rap battle. Just keep going, keep it moving. We're putting everything in a bowl right now. Yes. That's what life is about. You gotta keep going even when you so called fake. Because what did you learn from the failure? I guarantee you learned something that's going to help you on your next level.
Chris
Right.
Charlamagne Tha God
And when I look at every single so called failure in my life, every single one, professionally and personally, they all put me in a better position.
Chris
Interesting.
Charlamagne Tha God
I truly believe that you don't feel like. Think about the times you bombed on stage.
Chris
Oh, of course, 100%. Yeah. It's immediate motivation. It's like, I gotta get better at this. I gotta change something. If you're not failing, you're really not changing or trying. Or trying. Like, why would you low key when
Charlamagne Tha God
people tell me shit like a comedian's like, I never bomb.
Chris
Get out of here.
Charlamagne Tha God
You ain't doing it enough. Then.
Chris
Not taking enough risk.
Charlamagne Tha God
You're not taking enough risk. I never bomb. Please, man. Come on, man. What's your next big show? I'm gonna show y' all something. What's your next big show? So I can buy them, Honey ticket. I'mma buy the first two rolls, okay? I'mma buy the first two rolls and fill them with plants, baby. Okay? Cuz Alex needs to know how it feels, okay? Cause all it takes is the.
Chris
Then it's not fair.
Charlamagne Tha God
It don't.
Chris
Then it's not a real bone.
Charlamagne Tha God
Talking about, who cares? In this Internet, turn camera. Turn your camera sideways, okay? But if you're in the building at Andrew's next big show and Alex is going on that stage, stage, turn your camera sideways. When you see the first hunt, when you see 100 people in the first two rows booing Alex before he says a word, just know there was Charlemagne, the God. And the code word is, keep digging your grave, nigga. Keep digging your graveset, right? This is heaven sent, right? There's heaven sent. What is heaven? Would that not bring joy? You telling me that wouldn't bring joy?
Chris
And the podcast, we sacrifices Alex little
Charlamagne Tha God
ego for some joy. Y' all don't like joy? As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. And you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Thank you for listening.
Chris
Peace.
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