The Ruler’s Back

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots | “The Ruler’s Back”

Released: March 28, 2026 | Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz

---

Episode Overview

This episode revolves around the return of major hip-hop events and the enduring impact of legendary artists, especially Jay Z’s two-night Yankee Stadium concert. The hosts debate authenticity in live performance, generational divides in hip-hop fandom, rap's greatest battles, the weight of online culture versus real life, and touch on forgiveness, faith, and what it means to handle loss—whether in music, comedy, or life.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Selling Cars the “Smooth” Way (00:00–00:18)

• Charlamagne shares selling his car on Carvana went "too smoothly," sparking suspicion.
• Charlamagne: “Nothing in my life goes as smoothly. I'm waiting for the catch.” (00:09)

2. Stand-up Comedy Gatekeeping & Trauma (01:06–06:54)

• Conversation about performers crossing into stand-up, using Jelly Roll’s dabble as a flashpoint.
  • Jelly Roll is respected, but hosts stress stand-up is a craft developed over time.
  • Charlamagne: “We put people in bad positions when we just give them a microphone…It’s not the same as getting on stage and making people ask for an hour special.” (02:03)
• Group riffs about past bombing on stage and how it shapes skepticism about “anyone can be a comic.”

3. Jay Z at Yankee Stadium & Old School Fan Gatekeeping (07:00–14:00)

• Surprised by the rapid sellout (two nights, 1.6 million in the queue). Charlamagne jokes about imposing a concert age minimum.
  • Charlamagne: “I’m just age-shaming. Cause I already know how this is gonna go.” (12:31)
• Debating who’s a ‘real’ fan—testing crewmates on deep cuts from “Reasonable Doubt” and “Blueprint.”
• Charlamagne: “There’s nothing worse than watching somebody try to sing along to an album so hard that they don’t know…” (11:34)

4. Living Through Jay Z’s Career: Personal Histories (13:42–18:07)

• Charlamagne reflects on back-in-the-day skepticism over Jay’s “player” persona.
  • Details his own journey from not feeling Jay Z to becoming a lifelong fan.
  • Admits to periods of hating due to Jay’s relentless success (“like the Cowboys or the Lakers”).
  • Charlamagne: “At some point, people just be like, yo, man, turn this shit the fuck off. But then you come back around because it’s greatness.” (16:44)
• “American Gangster” marked his return to Jay Z fandom.

5. Mega-Stardom, Nostalgia & New Milestones in Hip-Hop (17:39–26:56)

• Comparing Jay Z to Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, and Rolling Stones in terms of legacy and stadium impact.
• Hip-hop’s maturing: Jay Z as the genre’s first veteran mega-star to do these kinds of shows.
• Contrast Eminem and Jay for cultural staying power, speculating whether Em could pull off similar.

6. Real Life vs. the Internet (20:09–22:29)

• Critique of online “chronically online” culture for skewing perception vs. real-world impact.
  • Charlamagne: "The Internet is not real life, okay? Let these people talk. Let them hate. Let the Lincoln navigate. But when you motherfucking gotta go outside and people gotta pay to come see you, will they do that?" (20:44)

7. Vegas, Aging, and Changing Entertainment (27:05–32:52)

• Reminiscing Vegas trips—the evolution from affordable, buffet-driven city to a luxury destination.
• Reflections on going to Vegas as an “older head” for legendary acts like Usher and Mary J. Blige.
• Story: Charlamagne ends up gambling with Jessica Alba after an Usher show, highlighting Vegas’ unique “leveling” of celebrity and regular customer.

8. Who Could Rival Jay Z’s Cultural Gravitas? (35:49–38:38)

• Argue whether Eminem, Dr. Dre, or any hip-hop act could achieve Jay’s stadium feat.
• Even with Em’s record sales, they note he may lack Jay’s blend of numbers and culture.

9. The Drake vs. Kendrick Battle: Unprecedented Scale (40:18–64:52)

• Deep dive: Is this battle bad for hip hop? Do fans have to pick sides?
  • Play excerpts from Jay Z’s GQ interview on the subject.
  • Jay Z via clip: “It's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake…No matter what he makes.” (52:19)
• Charlamagne pushes back: healthy competition and “barring up” has always been core to culture. Adds this battle is unique because it’s two top artists at their peak—“no underdog.”
• Charlamagne: “If the artists move on, so will the fans. The only reason people haven’t moved on…is because of Drake.” (69:55)
• Parallels drawn to Nas-Jay, Meek-Drake, Pac-Biggie, but says none quite match the cultural peak and fallout of Drake/Kendrick.

10. Forgiveness, Faith, and Controversial Art (88:15–104:24)

• Discussion on LaRussell’s controversial lyric (“Hitler, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein were heaven sent”):
  • Debate if the phrase is in error or about a deeper theological point (“God created all”).
  • Charlamagne: “He shouldn’t have said ‘heaven sent.’ But his sentiment…is rooted in Christian religion, which is these people were created by God, too.” (103:07)
• Broader debate on if there’s hell, the meaning of suffering, and the power (but challenge) of forgiveness.

11. Comedy, Failure, and Growth (128:41–131:33)

• Returning to bombing and failure as necessary steps to real growth in any field.
  • Charlamagne: “If you’re not failing, you’re really not changing or trying.” (129:45)
  • Chris: “If you’re not failing, you’re really not changing or trying.” (129:58)
• Jokes about rigging a show so that a crew member would “bomb” to learn humility.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlamagne (about online critics): “Y’ all can’t sell out your fucking living rooms." (20:44)
• Charlamagne (re: Jay Z haters): “At some point people just be like, yo, man, turn this sht the fck off…But then you come back around because it’s greatness.” (16:44)
• Chris on Stand-up: “If you’re not failing, you’re really not changing or trying.” (129:58)
• Charlamagne (debating ‘heaven sent’): “Satan was created in heaven. He’s a fallen angel…Satan is heaven sent.” (91:28)
• Charlamagne, on suffering: “I think heaven is what you make it and hell is what you go through to get there.” (94:14)
• Charlamagne, on nostalgia: “This is the first of its kind in hip hop...You ain’t never seen this in hip hop. You’ve never seen a 56-year-old hip hop artist who can do this.” (35:59)
• On generational hip-hop: “I’m just age-shaming. Cause I already know how this is gonna go.” (12:31)
• Charlamagne, with comedic cynicism: “If I ever tried stand up, I’d come out in a wheelchair. On purpose.” (03:36)

---

Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:09 – Charlamagne’s Carvana Story / Theme of skepticism
• 01:06 – Stand-up crossovers, bombing stories, and respect for the craft
• 07:00 – The Great Jay Z Ticket Queue: generational divides in fandom, album song quizzes
• 13:42 – Charlamagne’s journey from Jay Z skeptic to devotee
• 17:39 – Jay Z as “legend among legends” and hip-hop’s stadium era
• 20:44 – Quotes on real life vs. internet impact
• 27:05 – Aging, Las Vegas, and musical residencies
• 35:49 – Comparing Jay Z’s cultural weight to Eminem, Dre, etc.
• 40:18–64:52 – In-depth Drake vs. Kendrick battle debate, Jay Z’s clip, history of rap beefs, legacy
• 88:15–104:24 – The “heaven sent” lyric, forgiveness, hell, and faith under scrutiny
• 128:41–131:33 – Failing in comedy & life; growth by taking losses

---

Podcast Tone, Style & Delivery

Fast-paced, irreverent, and unapologetically opinionated, with a blend of genuine cultural analysis, satirical tangents, and trademark abrasive humor. The crew flips seamlessly between playful ribbing, sharp cultural critique, and earnest discussion, especially on music and social issues.

---

For First-Time Listeners

This episode captures what makes The Brilliant Idiots a touchstone for hip-hop commentary and culture critique: honest debate, hilarious riffs, sharp generational insight, and the willingness to ask uncomfortable questions about music, fame, failure, and forgiveness. And yes, plenty of “idiotness” and inside jokes for fans.

---

Skip the ads, but don’t skip this mid-2020s time capsule examining hip-hop’s present, future, and who truly gets to celebrate it.

---

Episode ends with a signature “if you think we’re brilliant, you’re right…if you think we’re idiots, you’re right, too.” (131:19)

Transcript

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I sold my car in Carvana last night. Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nothing went wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes as smoothly. I'm waiting for the catch.

[Chris]

Maybe there's no catch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need to relax. I need to knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood? I think it's laminate. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch.

[Taylor]

Sell your car today on Carvana. Pick up fees may apply. 5am I'm up with a crisp Celsius energy drink running 12 miles today. Grab a green juice, quick change and head to work. Meetings, workshops. One more Celsius. No slowing down. Working late, but obviously still meeting the girls for a little dancing. Celsius live fit. Go grab a cold, refreshing Celsius at your local retailer or locate [e-mail].

[Charlamagne Tha God]

yep. Charlamagne. Tha God.

[Chris]

Andrew Schultz.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Hezekiah Walker.

[Chris]

Sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you feeling, man?

[Chris]

I'm feeling good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How was your week?

[Chris]

How was good? Good. I was out in Nashville doing shows.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw you in Nashville. White Atlanta.

[Chris]

White Atlanta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jelly Roll really was doing stand up.

[Chris]

He came out at the end and he, he, he worked some stuff out. It was cool. Why? No, because he's. He's doing this show as part of the Netflix's a joke fest that he's asked me to do. And like it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, they got Jelly doing stand up?

[Chris]

No, they don't have him doing standup. He's doing music. But he also might, you know, do some jokes as well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He shouldn't.

[Chris]

Can. Can any white person do anything?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I love jelly now.

[Chris]

Any white person do anything creative without

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Charlemagne shut down, Never hear me say a bad word about jelly roll. I love jelly roll. Not only do I think he's a talented human, I think he's just a beautiful human. He is beautiful. His energy is amazing. I fuck with jelly, here comes the hate. Yeah. No, this has nothing to do with jelly. This is peanut butter.

[Chris]

And jelly sandwich is about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There are certain skill sets that I think require experts.

[Chris]

That is true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you have to have experience. And I think that we put people in bad positions when we just give them a microphone, tell them to go on stage and tell them jokes. You might can get some tweets. Off and everybody laugh. It's not the same as getting on

[Chris]

stage and making people ask for an hour special. Here we're just trying to have some fun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you're setting them up. If you say he's out here trying to do comedy because now you have an expectation set. Now if you just bring Jelly up and hand him a mic and people don't know what to expect and he says some shit and every like, oh, shit. But if you say, yo, Jelly Roll.

[Chris]

That before you fucking started this shit,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn, I saw it on social media. Jelly Roll gonna do some jokes. I'm like, nah, I don't set my guy up like that. Charlamagne.

[Chris]

Cause now Charlamagne had one bad experience on stage.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know.

[Chris]

And nobody else could do stand up Now I can't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody else can now that. Now I can't. Now I can't laugh. I want.

[Taylor]

You tried it before.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never tried to stand up ever.

[Alex]

You definitely.

[Chris]

He used to have the whole shows

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that he would bomb.

[Chris]

Now he's like, nobody else do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talking to the mic, I literally came out and said, duh.

[Chris]

And I hate that you're traumatized by this because you are so funny that you could actually do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're one of the few people that

[Chris]

could actually do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's not right. What you're doing to me right now is not right. And I'm telling you, that's why so many people getting on stage, that shouldn't be. Because you all say things like that. And it's always the legit comedians that the guys that you look at and be like, damn. It's always them saying it's funny. You should try it.

[Chris]

Should we say should we release it right now? Release that. Charlamagne will be performing at the Jelly Roll show at the Netflix Festival. Let's go, Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If I ever tried stand up, I'd come out in a wheelchair. Okay? On purpose.

[Alex]

Just cause you not standing doesn't make it not stand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I forgot you bombed. That's why you so sensitive about your Alex really bombed. I forgot he didn't bomb. Shut up. It was the. Come on, man. It was kid with down Syndro coming in the game to shoot a shot.

[Chris]

What I would say is this. The Middle east is used to way bigger bombs. That was funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I ain't bombed. See how that was effortless? That's not how you almost try to

[Chris]

cut me off too. I was getting my shit ready. I was setting it up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said it was wet. No, that was wet.

[Alex]

I Know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. No, but he did. You wicked the ball and shit.

[Chris]

He did. He did. Now, you did describe the scenario beautifully in that. Like it was the kid who was the manager of the basketball team, and you put him in it. They get. But he still hit the three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kid with down syndrome, who's the manager of the. Doesn't matter if it does. It's a difference.

[Chris]

If he takes a bite out of the ball. Yeah, but if he actually shoots the three and makes it, then it's fine. If he shot the three and made it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If he takes a bite out the ball then shoots it and makes it, now you're like, wow, he's special.

[Chris]

He's special.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, why we didn't have him in the whole time.

[Chris]

The only thing was. The only thing that was crazy is at the end of the video, after Al gets a laugh, he goes, thank y'.

[Alex]

All.

[Chris]

I'll see y' all next time.

[Alex]

No, I said. I said, that's my time.

[Chris]

That's my time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the equivalent of. Come on, man. Kid with down syndrome biting the basketball, shooting the three, making it, then grabbing the ball and spiking it like he on the football field.

[Chris]

That's it. He don't even know what sport he's playing. It's all good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's you, Alec. I made the shot, but you listen. Everybody go out there and try things. You know?

[Chris]

That's what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Charlotte.

[Chris]

We need Charlotte on that stage.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Never.

[Chris]

We need Charlotte and we need Timmy Chalamet and Jack Harlow in the front row.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what my dream just wait. You know what my dream is? Yeah. To have Donnell come out in some arena and get the whole crowd to participate in not laughing at him. I've done it on Breakfast Club. I've done it on my TV show where I've gotten the audience, no matter what Donnell says, to not laugh. You know what I'm saying? Even when it.

[Chris]

You're a crew.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I got him so good. When I had the TV show on Comedy Central, he came out, I'm like, yo, cheer for everybody except for this guy. And he's got an upcoming Netflix special being produced by Dave Chappelle. And he's the host of the podcast, the Donnell Rawlings Show. Donnell Rollings is hell. Did you tell his audience? No, I did not. I didn't. Don't. You told us not to respond to. No, I did not. That is not true. We're not going to have a show like that.

[Chris]

Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is not true.

[Chris]

They was laughing at Me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you're hilarious. No, wait a minute.

[Chris]

You.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you're hilarious.

[Chris]

Donnell.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love you, man. Donnell, Rollins. Nobody said Donnell.

[Chris]

I don't support this behavior. I love you, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you imagine being in an arena for five minutes and nobody laughing at all?

[Chris]

No, no, no. Donnell, Donnell. Donnell. Don't even put that juju out there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why? It's funny. It's a joke.

[Chris]

Put that juju.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why can't I joke?

[Chris]

Cause your jokes are cruel. Your jokes have a problem. Your jokes are just borderline wrong. Like, you're the only one that finds your jokes funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You eat.

[Chris]

Everybody else is so cruel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the beauty of it. See, but that was what. That's what makes you good on stage when you don't care what everybody else thinks. What else happened this week, man?

[Chris]

What's going on in the world, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So much negativity is back.

[Chris]

Oh, that's positivity, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Alex said he can't believe Jay Z sold out Yankee Stadium.

[Chris]

You a hater.

[Taylor]

That is what you said.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what you said.

[Chris]

Said.

[Alex]

I couldn't believe he sold it out that quick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Chris]

Why? It's Jay Z.

[Alex]

Two days at Yankee Stadium. He sold it out in, like an hour.

[Chris]

It's Jay Z, bro.

[Taylor]

Yeah, Like, I don't want to see him.

[Chris]

Jay Z performing in New York.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's Jay Z. I love Jay Z.

[Alex]

I gonna turn me into the Jay Z haters.

[Chris]

Listen, that's Bad Bunny for New York.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think Jay Z is Bad Bunny for the world.

[Chris]

No, Bad Bunny is Bad Bunny for the world.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sure, but Jay Z is Jay. Jay Z is Bad Bunny for the Bad Bunny is new energy. Like, Jay has been doing this for years. This ain't Jay first time selling out Yankees Stadium. The crazy part is he had 1.6 million people in the queue. Yeah, you can sell on Yankee Stadium, like, 40 times.

[Chris]

God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, he could think about that. He could have literally done 40 shows in Yankee Stadium if he wanted to. If he. If he said, you know what? Fuck it, man. Let everybody eat. 1.6 million people in the queue. Everybody bought chicken.

[Chris]

It's a coincidence that Mamdani paid everybody 30 an hour to shovel snow and that he had 1.6 million people in the queue for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even want to see Mandani at the concert. Wait, why? I don't think he knows. Reasonable doubt.

[Chris]

This is. Yo, Momdani. You made it, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Momdani.

[Chris]

You popping Momdoni. You are officially popping the Charlotte Hate train is coming.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga. How old is Mandani? Pull up Mandani's age. Charlotte, how old is Mandani?

[Chris]

Charlotte's life, he's a good bro. Charlotte's life is good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pull up Mundani. Nah, this is the energy I like. I don't think he no Reasonable Doubt. Got a new listen. Got a new guy to hang. 34.

[Alex]

34.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reasonable doubt is 30. He don't know Reasonable Doubt. I better. I'll better trip to Maui on it. I'll better trip to Maui on it.

[Alex]

I know Reasonable doubt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll better trip Maui on it. That he don't know reasonable.

[Chris]

Put your on live. Put your on live.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I better trip the Maui on it.

[Alex]

Knows it.

[Chris]

Why did he grew up hip hop?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

34. Reasonable doubt is 30. He was 4. Reasonable doubt came out like the Internet don't exist.

[Taylor]

Exactly why you act like they can't go back to it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Name seven songs off Reasonable Doubt right now. Matter of fact, I shortened it. Name five.

[Alex]

Okay. Oh, shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got 22 twos.

[Chris]

The evils.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Reasonable.

[Alex]

Reasonable Doubt.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yup.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no song on there called Reasonable Doubt.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's not me, honey. There's no song on there called Reasonable Doubt. But it's too much. Almond. Almond. That's what I'm saying. And you just said Reasonable Doubt of

[Alex]

the song Brooklyn's Finest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, yeah. Too much. Ah, it shouldn't be this much. I know.

[Chris]

It's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not. What?

[Chris]

The world is yours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The world. Oh, my God. I know he.

[Chris]

Get him the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Out of here. What the. He said the world is. He named a whole other song.

[Taylor]

Isn't that a whole other artist?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Isn't that because you thought the world is. He got the nice. Get him the Don't.

[Taylor]

Don't.

[Chris]

Google go. Keep going. You got living Lavita, Logan, you got. Who else?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who else?

[Chris]

The Hanukkah.

[Alex]

Oh, can't knock the hustle, Alex.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You lost already.

[Taylor]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't lose yet. This is too much of a struggle. And Madani. Madani would do worse.

[Alex]

All right, name five songs off Blueprint because he's performing that one too. Let's go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Off Blueprint.

[Alex]

Yeah, he's performing that one, too. Name five.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You serious? Yes, I am serious.

[Alex]

Why are you stalling?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not stalling.

[Chris]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ain't no love in the heart of this city Never change song cry. Hola, La Vita Renegade.

[Alex]

Damn it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

H to the Izzo. All right, all right.

[Chris]

You don't gotta get the rulers back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, now, hold on, hold on. I grew up. Jehovah Witness. We didn't stand for the national anthem. I'm a stand when the ruler's back.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Them horns dropped. What are you talking about?

[Alex]

If you gave me blooper, I could have got.

[Taylor]

You mean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, I know I up.

[Chris]

That was not good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was not good. There's.

[Chris]

You still got four, though, off the top.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he did not. He did so much. I'm in. And iron. He almost spelled Mandani. He was like, mom, it's too much pressure. It's too much pressure. I don't think. But I know Mandani will be there because he's the mayor of New York. Yeah, but there's nothing worse than watching somebody try to sing along to an album so hard that they don't know.

[Chris]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He might be memorizing it now, though.

[Chris]

Um, Donnie, did you raise the toll? What happened? Why did we not run?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You just did it. No, I didn't. Something happened. Somebody said something.

[Chris]

No, I said.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Who's more of a legit hip hop fan, Obama or Mandami?

[Chris]

This is what I said.

[Taylor]

Obama.

[Chris]

You don't gotta push the mic away, Chris.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Obama.

[Chris]

Chris dropped that question and threw the mic away.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Obama. Obama. No, probably Mondani. Mondani used to rap. Yeah, he right. Mandani used to rap. I did like Mandani's top five. He had a solid top five when

[Chris]

I was growing up. For me, Lupe Fiasco. I also have a real soft spot for Common. Also have to put in Jay Z. And I think as New York City,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

we have to put in Biggie. But he just. I just don't think he knows Reasonable doubt. That's all I'm saying.

[Chris]

Yo, can we just acknowledge that he's got some motion right now? And nobody can have motion in Charlotte's Ocean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's not true.

[Chris]

Oh, that's fire. Nobody can have motion in Charlotte Ocean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm going to be honest with you. I'm just age shaming. Cause I already know how this is gonna go.

[Chris]

You think it's gonna be a lot of young ruffians out there pretending that they listen to reasonable Doubt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying. A bunch of hype bees. These same people that for the last.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

What about an age limit for the concert?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No age.

[Chris]

Minimum.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

No limit. Oh, no minimum.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're right.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Minimum age 35 and over.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, nah. Older than that, Chris. Oh, no.

[Chris]

Low key. You kind of gotta be 40.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

40. 40 plus.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

40 and over.

[Chris]

I'll be honest with you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

40 plus.

[Chris]

Yeah. I'm trying to think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reasonable doubt's 30 this year. So that means blueprint 25 this year. That was 96.

[Chris]

To be honest with you. When Reasonable Doubt first came out, it wasn't like this crazy takeover of an album.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, it wasn't.

[Alex]

That's a. I don't even think you listened to it when it first came out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll tell. You want to know the truth? I'll tell you the truth.

[Chris]

He's been waiting to have this conversation. Oh, my.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've had these conversations. You know what's so beautiful about these conversations? These were conversations that really happened during my formative years. Like, these are, like, mild markers in my life when we go back.

[Chris]

Mine, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It wasn't a. When we go back.

[Chris]

When was it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Blueprint came out June 25, 1996.

[Chris]

Blueprint was reasonable doubt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reasonable doubt came out June 25, 1996. Right. Reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt came out, 25, 1996. I was Wu Tang'd out mob, deeped out, like, those were my guys, you know what I'm saying? You know, Biggie, like, I like that type of shit. And when Jay came out, I remember saying to myself, what is this player shit? Like, all of the. You know, even. Even Biggie, like, I like Biggie because he had, like, the street gutter records. But I didn't know if I liked all of that player shit. Cause all of the real hip hoppers, the J R Daniels of the world, the BCCs, they weren't on the players.

[Alex]

Rough. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And so when Jay came out, I was like, what's all of this money talk? Go on, go on, go on, go. I had a homeboy, man. My homeboy Booby. When I tell you he loved Jay Z. When I tell you he was like, no, man, you need to listen to this Reasonable Doubt, yo. You need to listen to this guy, man. I'm telling you, this dude is literally talking the life that people are out here living, right? And I'm like, I don't know. But I'm gonna tell you what I got on Jay. His second album came out in My Lifetime, Volume One. And he put out the Streets is Watching soundtrack. And it was a movie that came with it. And me and Booby, we were driving back and we was going to Myrtle beach, and I listened to Reasonable Doubt and that in my lifetime, back and forth when we was driving from Myrtle beach, that's all we listened to. And I was like, yo, this guy is phenomenal. And then my first concert ever was the Hard Knock Life tour in Charleston, South Carolina. He was at the North Charleston Coliseum. I think this was 99 or 2000.

[Chris]

Now you got me Google, now you got me Googling some shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it was my first concert ever. When the Hard Knock Life album came out and I listened to that, was it in my Reasonable Doubt, in my lifetime. Volume one. The Screech is watching soundtrack and Hard Knock live now. And I'm gonna tell you, I've had ebbs and flows with Jay. There was a period where my hate for Jay Z kicked in. Ooh, I tell you why, though.

[Taylor]

Ooh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But listen, that just happens sometimes when you see. It's like the Cowboys or the Lakers. When a franchise is winning too much for no reason. At some point you like, yo bro enough. Especially when he retired and came back, you're like, yo, what is this? What's going on? Like, take a break. Let the new guys come in. Let the new guys eat, blah, blah, blah. But I can admit that was just hate. It just happens, by the way. It happens to everybody. When you've been around for a long time winning consistently. At some point people just be like, yo, man, turn this shit the fuck off. You know? But then you come back around because. Because it's greatness.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, and I think I came back around. I never, I. The hate wasn't real. So I came back around, like around American Gangster, yo.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah. Because I think like Kingdom Come and Blueprint three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kingdom Come had a couple of records on there. I didn't love it some. I think one of Jay Z's most terrible songs is actually on Kingdom Come, which is the, the, the joint with Usher. Oh my God, that's horrible.

[Alex]

But Blueprin 3 was it, wasn't it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You crazy? Blueprint 3 is fire.

[Chris]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? One of my, One of my favorite Jay Z records of all time is on Blueprint 3.

[Alex]

Which one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Already home with Kid Cudi. See you not in the hall of Fame or nothing. That's why you don't listen. Guys, blueprint two is fine. No, the blueprint 2.1 was, was dope. All I'm simply saying is I'm a Jay Z guy, bro.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like hov's music a lot. Hov's music has provided the soundtrack to my life. And we've literally watched this guy grow from a 27 year old in 1996 to a 56 year old in 2026. This, the other thing that blows my mind. All of these people that are online saying, like, oh, you know, he's just doing this to create good press for himself. It's the 30 year anniversary of his first album.

[Chris]

Yeah, Seems like a good time to celebrate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's the 25 year anniversary of what some people say is his best album.

[Chris]

Ah, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why wouldn't you celebrate those two things? Not to mention guys, FIFA's in town. Not to mention guys.

[Chris]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know if you know or not. What? You can't just book Yankee Stadium three weeks in advance.

[Chris]

Nah, FIFA's in town.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yankee Stadium takes at least 18 months to two years to book for an event, a concert.

[Chris]

How do you know that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I looked it up.

[Chris]

Where does it say looking up? You could book something if it's available.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yankees in the middle of. It's in the middle of baseball season.

[Chris]

Yeah, but they got the games.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's in the middle of baseball season. It takes. Look it up, look it up. Look how long. Look up. How long does it take to book a major concert in advance at Yankee Stadium? But what made you just think, I know the. I know the guys. It takes. It takes 18.

[Chris]

You're saying that they booked it 18 months out. I feel like a guy like Jay Z could book it two weeks out if he wants.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not if some Yankee Stadium out of. Something's going on.

[Chris]

Well, clearly. But nothing's going on. It's not like they're moving baseball games for Jay Z.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't think so. But it is in the middle of baseball season.

[Chris]

Sure, sure. I guess what I'm saying is like, baseball is different than like an arena

[Alex]

in that it says months to over a year.

[Chris]

Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

[Alex]

Six to 12, it says.

[Chris]

But it doesn't matter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still point the point. The point is it wasn't spurred a moment.

[Chris]

Jay's the type of person that if he wanted to book something three months out or two or month out, he has the leverage and power and connections.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. But you're not. He, he didn't book this because he's.

[Chris]

You say you got inside information, headlines.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's the third. When you're. When you haven't been married for 30 years, you're not gonna plan something special.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you, when you. Chris, how long you been married?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Will be 20 years next summer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ain't even get a blueprint. He ain't even blue. He ain't not even blueprint album yet. Blueprint's 25 years. But you gonna do something special. For your 20th, I'm sure.

[Taylor]

Why can't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taiwan's still around.

[Taylor]

Why are they both, though? Why can't he try to make better headlines for himself?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that, too, because it's just not true. My point is.

[Taylor]

I'm just saying it's a coincidence.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not a coincidence.

[Chris]

What's the bad headline? What's the bad headline?

[Taylor]

The bad stuff come in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, they've been trying to slander him for two years. He talked about it in the interview. All of the bullshit accusations, and, you know, he's in the F trap. All of this dumb shit.

[Chris]

But haven't they said that they investigated and it was nothing?

[Taylor]

Y.

[Alex]

Yes, people care about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But he said that. What he said is the realest shit in the interview was heartbreaking. We all been through shit. You know how that shit go. Like, that's a real human emotion to have to deal with.

[Chris]

The Internet don't care. They're just going to keep pumping the most.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. Yo, the Internet got shocked. The Internet couldn't believe he sold out that fast. They was like.

[Chris]

They were furious.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought we didn't like him. Yeah, yeah. Fuck y'. All. Suck my dick, you digital dickheads. Don't know why. Like, y'. All. Y' all can't sell out your fucking living rooms, okay? That's when you know. That's why I'm telling y'. All. The Internet is not real life, okay? Let these people talk. Let them hate. Let the Lincoln navigate. But when you motherfucking gotta go outside and people gotta pay to come see you, will they do that? That lets me know who's winning and who's not.

[Chris]

I think for chronically online people, the Internet seems real. And there are people who are chronically online. Just the Internet is the most extreme versions of everything. So they think that's reality. But the majority of people are probably pretty moderate and don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think they know, Jones.

[Chris]

Say what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think they know.

[Chris]

They don't know because that's their reality. But what I'm saying is, like, the majority of people are not chronically online. They're not spending 10, 12 hours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, no, I agree. I agree.

[Chris]

So, like, if you're chronically online, you see extremes because that's the only thing that plays on the Internet. There's no, like, hey, here's the nuance take that goes viral, right? What goes viral is the most insane take on the right, the most insane take on the left, the most dramatic take here. The most dramatic Take there. So if that's all you're consuming and that's your worldview and you're not getting out and touching grass, then that's what you're gonna think the world is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. Those bots can't help you in real life, buddy.

[Chris]

Yeah, but they don't need to be in real life. A lot of people. That's the thing. It's a weird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You missing a lot not being in real life. How did Nashville feel this weekend?

[Chris]

Nashville was so much fun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Nashville was fun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did it feel performing in front of all of those people? You know what I mean? Practicing new material.

[Chris]

That was cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying? Having one of the biggest artists in the world come out just to kick it with you.

[Chris]

Yeah, it was great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The fuck?

[Chris]

It was great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And sucked my dick. Internet.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

From the back.

[Chris]

Yeah. Okay, Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lick it, lick it, lick it, lick it. Yo. July 10th on the July 11th party. Got my outfits out. All right.

[Chris]

You got your outfits ready?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got my outfits out. I mean, ain't gonna be number white T shirts. Wait, wait, wait.

[Chris]

You didn't answer this. You didn't answer this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

First of all, don't say exactly. Like, I'm so predictable. Like I'm a cartoon character. Like, you just know what, I'm a weirdo.

[Chris]

Hold on, hold on. You didn't answer this. So when did. When did Reasonable Doubt, the album, become such a historic album? Like, when do people go back and discover it? Because it doesn't come out the gate as, like, the hot shit?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think. I think when this my personal opinion, I think that it had a very niche cult like following in 96. Everybody knew it was dope if you heard it, because Jay Z was one of those people who all of the greats mentioned in some way, shape or form. When you think about it, right? Like Biggie was saying Jay Z was his favorite artist, right? And collaborating with him and stuff like that. Pac was dissing him. Why the hell was Pac dissing jay Z in 1996? You know what I'm saying?

[Chris]

So he felt some pressure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's my point. I'm not gonna say pressure, but he just had. He clearly had some type of energy that made people pay attention to him in some way, shape or form. So if you ask me, I think people started liking Reasonable Doubt.

[Alex]

Hard Knock Life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hard Knock Life. I think once he became a megastar, people started volumes going back that actual

[Alex]

song, the Hard Knock Life, but that's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

all Volume two Though.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

That's what. So Volume two. And then they go back and see his other work, and they're like, oh, this is crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I think.

[Chris]

And, man, Blueprint was just super, super.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, Blueprint was out of here.

[Chris]

See you later.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Blueprint was out of here. I mean, Hard Knock Life is really what made you a superstar.

[Chris]

It's so weird. Like, the way I look back at. I. I'm wrong, obviously, but I almost remember Blueprint before Hard Knock Life. Hard Not Life. He was. Felt like such a huge song. Do you guys remember?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hard Knock Life was 98. Blueprint was 2001.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Hard Knock Life opened up white people because of the Annie sample.

[Chris]

That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But also biggest album.

[Chris]

Was it for a movie? Did they remake Annie or something like that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they just used the sample.

[Chris]

That's it.

[Alex]

Yeah, but he did remake and Annie years later.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, he did.

[Chris]

Oh, okay, so I'm confusing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He did it.

[Alex]

All right, Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And reasonable. I mean, reasonable doubt had heat, though, because reasonable doubt, you know, that ain't no off the Nutty professor soundtrack.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

All right. What was Heart of the City on Blueprint?

[Chris]

Blueprint ain't no nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, do you know how hard. You know how good Heart of the City is going?

[Alex]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In New York?

[Chris]

No public service announcement.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, but I'm.

[Chris]

Public service announcement.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a reason 8.

[Chris]

You gotta play it, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a reason. Ain't no Love is gonna sound so good because we literally saw him go through that the last couple of years. First the Fat Boys break up, now every day I wake up, somebody got a problem with hov. What's up? Y' all niggas all fed up? Cause I got a little cheddar My record's mov. Moving out the stove.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the. Like, what. What are you saying? Like, wow. Those words that he's saying in that record are going to resonate so much that night that I know his energy gonna be on a thousand. When he's listening to the lyrics now, I'm like, I know he's thinking, a

[Chris]

guy like Jay, who's put out how many albums? 12?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

13.

[Chris]

13 albums. Do you think he has to listen back to the old stuff to remember it a bit?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Probably gotta, right? Yeah, I would think so. Some stuff. Some stuff.

[Alex]

Like, the song also has a great. He was one of those rappers that didn't write anything down. So he has a great memory.

[Chris]

He gotta. But still, at a certain point, you're 50 years old, you got kids you know what I mean? It's like a different world. There's no way that you don't just. There's no way you go in cold.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Young spitting at me. Young rappers getting at me. What if he say young spitting at me? YouTube getting at me. My big Predicted this shit. Exactly. More money, more problems. Gotta move carefully.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whoa. Oh, I knew it. I knew somebody was gonna. Caught in the 90s.

[Chris]

Wait, what happened?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That'll be hilarious. If he don't say it, but the whole stadium says it. If he don't say it but the whole stadium say it, they gonna go crazy. Cause Fraggle maggots hate when you getting money like athletes. Young' un youngin.

[Alex]

Oh, I can't wait. I'm so hyped.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm feeling me fine. It cost you nothing. Pay me no mind. I'm on my grandma cousin, man. It's gonna be. Oh, my God. Thank you, God. Thank you, man. Between Jay Z this summer and Mary J. Blige in Vegas, life is good.

[Chris]

She has a residency.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, she does, man. Thank God for finally caring about people 45 and up, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're like the forgotten generation.

[Chris]

Vegas has always cared about moving to Egypt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And you know what, man? You know what's so crazy? I apologize to everybody who used to go to Vegas to see their favorite older ex.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When we were young, it seemed like, so washed.

[Chris]

Felt like you were put out to pass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean? But now that we 45 and up and our favorites are out in Vegas, we. Like I said, why y' all did this?

[Chris]

Fire. Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God.

[Chris]

But also, Vegas changed. Vegas became a younger place, and I think to its detriment, in a way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talk to me.

[Chris]

Well, Vegas became like a destination, almost like Miami or something like that. And now they're charging crazy money for the rooms. Like, back in the day, you could go to Vegas, you get a room for almost nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You're walking a casino. They're giving you drinks. The drinks are free. Like, the whole thing was curated around you spending your money gambling, and then the rest of those things being, like, distractions or something to do with your wife so she could pull you off the tables for a little bit. And what people seem to feel right now is that they're gouging you at every point. So now you got less money to gamble, and you can barely afford the hotel, and the dinner is absolutely expensive.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And back in the day, you could

[Chris]

go to, like, a buffet in Vegas and have, like, I don't want to say top notch food, but like really good food.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I still got good restaurants in Vegas.

[Chris]

No, no, the restaurants are fantastic.

[Alex]

They're just buffet at the casino. That was like, pretty good.

[Chris]

And they do it. They do. Listen, they still got it, but like, everything's really expensive. And I think people are starting to feel like, hey, this isn't a place where I go where I could feel super rich for a weekend. This is a place where I'm going to be stressed with my wallet and. But it became a destination. It became a place where you could have 40 different shows. You check out, you're seeing this huge marquee fight. Like you're going to spend money when you go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I've never gambled in Vegas. No, the only time I've gone to Vegas is for the iHeartradio Music Festival and for other concerts. Like, we flew. I flew out there to go watch Usher.

[Chris]

Yeah, I just go to her events or if like I'm doing a show or I'm going to see a fight or something like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, the Spirit is phenomenal, bro.

[Chris]

You know what I found?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You've been to the Spirit?

[Chris]

Yeah, I saw the UFC at the Sphere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My look is phenomenal, too. You've seen that?

[Chris]

No, I didn't see it. He thinks he's gonna. That was the best delivery was. That was the best you've ever done. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Been practicing all week and I don't even know if I could have nailed the landing if you. I think I got the setup. I think.

[Chris]

I think you even up this setup.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Set up?

[Chris]

No. Cause I heard it. I think you fucked it up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do. I should have waited, man. I was too fucking eat. Yeah, you. Because I had a whole thing in my mind.

[Chris]

The cadence was perfect. But I don't even.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was gonna do it with supplements.

[Chris]

But you said my lick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know, but I was gonna do it with.

[Chris]

My lick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Doesn't do anything I was gonna do. I was gonna start talking about Peptides and just start naming Peptides. Yeah, like that Mylic shit is good too.

[Chris]

But my lick doesn't go anywhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, it does. It goes in your. No, it doesn't.

[Chris]

You lick. Yeah, you lick. Not my lick. That's why when you said. I was like, oh, man, he's doing his best. I might give him one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, I've been thinking about that all week. Even think that that shit don't go nowhere. Where the does my league go? My dick.

[Chris]

That's what it was supposed to be my dick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My dick.

[Chris]

My dick in your mouth. Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fuck. Listen, I'm just not good at it. You see what I'm saying? I'm just not good at it. And I know that.

[Taylor]

Okay, Keep trying, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I wouldn't see. But that's not. You can't treat stand up like that. I knew you were going to. Fucking knew you were gonna get back to. You got to fucking quit for Vegas.

[Chris]

So how do you make so. So, Chris, do you remember going to Vegas when you were younger?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

A couple times, yeah.

[Chris]

And did it feel like an affordable place where you got.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah, they'd almost copy the hotel rooms.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Phase. I think part of it was the celebrity chef starting to come in, and they really made that part of the experience when Top Chef became a big thing. And then if you were a winner or one of the top things, you would get a restaurant in one of these. And that started to drive the price prices up.

[Chris]

Oh. So now that we're paying all this money for this stuff, we got to find a way to afford it. Right.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

And then that kind of readjusted the standard where I think the buffets were good, but you weren't going to them

[Chris]

to expect to get like top tier cuisine for an experience.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

You were going literally to fuel the gambling.

[Chris]

Right, Right.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I'm gonna take a break.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I heard.

[Chris]

I heard something. I don't know if this is true, but I heard that, like, the Vegas casinos really stay open off of whales. So, like, it's us gambling a few hundred bucks or whatever doesn't really move the needle for them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, man, that's somebody.

[Alex]

Not even.

[Chris]

No, I'm being dead serious as somebody. Can I say the point? Because I'm not even trying to catch you. A whale is somebody who gambles a million dollars a day so they'll extend a line of credit for the pocket.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So he's fat.

[Chris]

Well, the pockets are fat. That's the idea. So, like, they're the people. Like, think about how many of us got to be in there every day spending 300, 400, $500 across everything. They get a private jet, they roll out for them. But apparently the idea for like, the concierge, whatever, is just find as many of these motherfuckers who are willing to drop a mill a day in the casino.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A meal a day is crazy, son.

[Chris]

That's what they do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A mill a day is crazy. You know, So I didn't. I didn't go to Vegas back in the day. So to me, the Vegas Experience still is cool. Like, you know, I love yo.

[Chris]

Low key for two days. Vegas is awesome.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it. You know what I love about Vegas? When you're in a hotel in the dark at night, and it's the city lighting up your hotel. Oh, yeah, that shit is great. I had a great. That wasn't the last time I was in Vegas, but that time we flew out there to go see Usher, we had a great time. It was me and my wife.

[Chris]

Where'd you stay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even remember. It was Holly and her guy who win the win.

[Chris]

Maybe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I really don't remember.

[Chris]

Encore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I promise you, I don't remember. I don't remember. But it was funny because we went to go see Usher, and then somehow or another, my wife and Jessica Alba started having a conversation. Oh, wow. And they ended up kicking it. And we all, after the show, went gambling. I got a picture. It's like all of us in the lobby, drunk as shit. And I always look at that picture, like, why the fuck was we with Jessica Alba?

[Chris]

That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then now I remember. And then. And I've. And I've seen Jessica Alba since then and since we.

[Chris]

So that's the thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What up, Jess?

[Chris]

That's the thing. Vegas got that. No other place in the world has this. Once you're in the casino, everybody's there. Yeah, they got some private rooms for the high rollers, but, like, a lot of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, no, no, you're right.

[Chris]

A lot of famous people, they're not trying to do the $500,000 chip, whatever. They don't need to go to the private. They want to gamble kind of regular. So if you go there for NBA Summer League, you'll see the NBA players just at the craps table, at the blackjack table. So there is something unique.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We went to some table, and I don't gamble, so I don't. I don't know what table we was at, but we walked from Usher's show and went to the gambling table, and we just all was sitting there gambling. Jessica Alba, my wife and Jessica's friend. And we just was having a great motherfucking time. And it was just so random. And all the security was just making sure we was. Well, they was making sure Jessica was good. They didn't give a fuck about me, I'm sure. But they was making sure we were good, you know, that was a great time. I like Vegas anyway. Shout out, Jay Z. Shout out to Hov, man.

[Chris]

Shout out Hov.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

July 10th and July 11th. Cannot fucking, fucking wait.

[Alex]

I'LL be there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think you'll be there. What else we got? Taylor?

[Alex]

I'mma be there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ain't going to Taylor me. I'm going to be there.

[Chris]

You ain't going Taylor me. Taylor with me everywhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor's know if I or she. I don't.

[Taylor]

I'm not saying I don't need to go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wouldn't even invite you.

[Chris]

Really, you don't want to go?

[Taylor]

I'm not a huge Jay Z. I respect him, but I'm not a huge Jay Z.

[Chris]

That's an honest comment. That's fine.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. But I once again, if you a certain age, I don't want you around me that day.

[Chris]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't want you around me.

[Taylor]

Why would you know all the songs though?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know you don't.

[Taylor]

I know I don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not saying you don't. No, no, you don't. But I'm saying no, you don't.

[Taylor]

But you're acting like what Alex said. Like people go back and listen to why can't they?

[Chris]

You don't think he's gonna play anything else besides those two albums?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, he said Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint when he might. On Sunday, he added the third show that sold out in. In a minute. So the third show is Sunday and it's called Extra Innings. I don't think y' all really. And you know what, One more thing. Listen, I know people want to say, this is glazing. I don't give a fuck. And hey, kids, what y' all call glazing, we call celebrating people. I don't think people are used to what they're seeing because they forgot what OG mega stardom looks like. You know what I'm saying? Like, and the thing that makes Jay Z so great is like, this is the first of its kind. In hip hop, you're used to that. In other genres, you're used to Bruce Springsteen announcing Yankee Stadium at 60 plus years old and that shit sells out in two seconds.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Billy Joel doing the run at the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Garden, Rolling Stone, you're used to all of these older acts doing. You ain't never seen this in hip hop. You've never seen a 56 year old.

[Chris]

Great point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hip hop artist who can do this.

[Alex]

That's fire.

[Chris]

It's a great point.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Could you put Eminem in the same category?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know em. Gotta do it. I don't know if he hasn't done it. I'm not saying he Can't.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I'm just thinking of somebody who would be on that level.

[Chris]

Em could do it.

[Alex]

I think Em could probably do it. Em could do it probably in Detroit, I don't know, Yankee Stadium.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

M is interesting. M is interesting.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Could Gray do a version of it? I mean, obviously not as a rapper,

[Chris]

but like, he could bring everybody out.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Bring everybody out, of course.

[Chris]

And do Dodger Stadium if they did the Chronic.

[Alex]

But I don't count that. You don't. You don't get all the credit if you're bringing out a bunch of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know why Em is interesting? Because that's who he is.

[Chris]

But that is. That's what he. That's the inceptionistre.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

M is interesting because numbers wise, he's the biggest rapper to ever walk the face of the earth. Yeah, numbers wise. But I don't know if he could

[Unknown Male Speaker]

have the gravity that Jay has.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He don't have the cultural gravity that somebody like Jay has. He might have the cultural gravity. And I don't know if his music has aged as well.

[Chris]

Right.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

The real Slim Shady isn't gonna lose herself with.

[Chris]

This is a nostalgia play. And don't underestimate nostalgia. Like, you see all these groups that were popping when we were kids now doing their nostalgia tours. I mean, Backstreet Boys did the sphere. Like, so clearly you get to a certain age where you want to reminisce and you want to have those feelings you had as a kid. And Eminem evoked those feelings. And I think that we're looking at Jay in New York and we're kind of assuming that Eminem doesn't mean that exact thing to Detroit, maybe more.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think Em probably means that to a lot of people around the world. He sold too much records for me to be like, em couldn't do that.

[Chris]

No, he couldn't do it. I think he could do it. I think. I think, like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I'm also. I can't have.

[Chris]

Also, you don't get to see em all the time, just like you see Jay. I think that's another reason why this is special, right? Because when you go away for a while, you get missed. Like Backstreet Boys, if they tried to do that 10, 15 years ago, I don't know if they're able to do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And plus, em music for me, I always recognized Em as a top tier lyricist, great emcee, but his music for me personally, never touched me in that way. You know what I'm saying? In order for me to love a Eminem show or even to come to the Eminem show. It'd probably have to be like, Eminem and 50 on tour together.

[Chris]

Sure, of course.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Eminem, 50 on tour. I'll go and probably leave appreciating Eminem's music more.

[Chris]

But just because it doesn't touch you that way doesn't mean that it doesn't touch somebody in the same way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Billy Joel, more records than everybody. He's. Statistically, he's the biggest rapper ever, numbers wise.

[Chris]

But I also think doing it in your home, like, when you're a representation for those people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it just.

[Chris]

It just means something different and you want to experience it, like.

[Alex]

And if you go out and you tour one of your best albums, specifically, that even touches another.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What would that be for him?

[Alex]

Probably Marshall Mathers LP, I think was his biggest. That's the second one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Em should be celebrating the 30th anniversary

[Alex]

soon, probably, but he's a little bit out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. 2008. 2028 will be like Em's 30th. I think his first album came out in 98, right? 97. Look it up, I think 98.

[Chris]

Hi, kids. Do you like violence?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you like violence? Do you want to see me put Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids?

[Alex]

Fire Wanna copy me and do.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Doesn't age the same way, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It didn't age the same way, but it's still fun.

[Chris]

But it's. But you might just want to hear that.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

It's a nostalgia play.

[Chris]

Hi.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you like vibes?

[Chris]

Like you want to say it? Like, what a crazy bar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My name is not MK Rap. The first time I ever heard M was on a DJ Clue mixtape. He had this song where he was like. And if I had one wish, I wish for a big enough ass for the whole world to kiss. I didn't know Em was white. I was like.

[Chris]

I didn't either.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, what else we got, guys?

[Alex]

Yeah, Slim's shady LP was 99.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so 30 years. That's his first album, right?

[Alex]

Yeah. Oh, so he had, like, mixtapes or whatever, but that was the first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At three years, it'd be 30 years for Eminem. Man, hip hop is great, bro. Hip hop is great. And it's amazing to watch. Longevity is great.

[Chris]

Amen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you have been long, this is hard. Respect, consistency and long, it's hard.

[Alex]

Do you feel this might transition us, but do you feel because of the battle between Jake and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who is Jake?

[Alex]

I'm sorry, Drake and Kendrick, that it's gonna mess up their longevity?

[Taylor]

No, not Kendrick, Why would it mess?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I mean, like, not Drake either, man.

[Alex]

No, but you know what Jay Z said, he's like, it turned fans. It's like, oh, if you're a fan of one now you have to hate the other.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even believe that's real. And you know, I didn't agree with Jay's take. I respected the take and I understand where the take is coming from. But that's also a 56 year old man's perspective. Can you pull that up? Pull that up.

[Taylor]

You mean you was talking about Kendrick?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, pull that up. So it's fresh in my mind. Have you seen this take yet, Andrew?

[Alex]

And I know the Internet's not real, but it did seem like online it's like, hey, you gotta pick a side.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's life. Why do we act like that's life?

[Alex]

No, but that's what I said.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I think for. I'm just looking at my kids generation. So people, you know, in their late teens, early 20s now. Drake's undoubtedly the biggest artist of their generation. Yeah, there's nothing that's gonna happen in any way is gonna ultimately change how they think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a 1, a 1B. Guys like, stop. Kendrick is pretty big, bro. Kendrick gotta pull a surprise. Y' all gotta stop.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yo, my kids lunchroom, they would all start singing God's plan together or whatever, you know, like it was that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a Catholic school.

[Taylor]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Catholic school.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

New York City public school.

[Chris]

New York City public school.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

There's no Catholic school.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why wouldn't a bunch of Jewish kids think God?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Now it's a Jewish Catholic school. So yarmulkes and plaid skirts. I want to go to this school. I gotta check it out.

[Chris]

Well, maybe. Maybe la. Maybe LA is like that for Kendrick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The world is like that for Kendrick. Why do y' all listen? There was a time where Kendrick Lamar had the highest grossing tour of a solo rapper ever. And that was the Mr. Morale and the Big Stepper tour. And I think this new tour that he just went on with Sza, even though it was him and SZA that broke the record, but before that it was just him. Why do we act like Kendrick and

[Taylor]

the just cause y' all don't listen to Kendrick doesn't mean that he's not popping.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He got a Pulitzer prize. Chris, you're a writer. You love pullups. You would love for kids don't care about Chuck Prize.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I'm agnostic. I don't really care about either.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What religion is that?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

That means I don't have One. I don't have one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Press play. Taylor, the personal thing that you chose

[Chris]

Kendrick for the super bowl, it's like, oh, man, he's choosing the side and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he's putting, and he's not like, I

[Andrew Schultz]

don't have what I have to do with that. I chose the guy that was having a monster year. I think it was the right choice. It wasn't in some sort of alliance to a battle. I know.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

What I care about, them two guys battling. Like, what that got to do with me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have at it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Have fun. It's almost like not on just me, by the way they drag everybody in there. Like, everyone's part of this conspiracy to undermine Drake, I guess. But like, motherfucker, like, what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm Jay Z. I'm J. I do respect him.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm old dude, respectfully.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or like, for what folk?

[Andrew Schultz]

To what end?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. It couldn't be that.

[Andrew Schultz]

These guys just don't like each other.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I think they haven't liked each other for a long time before you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

had anything to do with it. For a while.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think this has been brewing just like me and Nas was brewing.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Andrew Schultz]

It didn't happen at the summer jam. That happened. The lexing, TV sets, the minimum, whatever it was. It was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to that point.

[Chris]

What is the myth bleak?

[Andrew Schultz]

Slugs in your hat, right? Slugs in your head. It was a bunch of, like, little things that led up to that point. And then when it happened, it happened. I actually regret that because I really like knots.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a really nice guy. But also to your point, like, I

[Chris]

remember I was like 10 or 11 when that happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was like, well, I was on your side. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, clearly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But my. My. My position was I can't go out

[Chris]

and buy Stillmatic or ask my parents to buy Stillmatic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. But I'm gonna borrow it and burn it because I can't deny my mic, you know?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, I want to hear it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I ain't supporting them.

[Alex]

Word.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not the part. It's the one where he talks about he be tired of battling. I do like that part, though, right there, just. Cause I just love the confidence, man. You know what I'm saying? And when you think about why you like certain artists, it's because certain artists, their music, it instills something in you, and it just inspires you to be the best version of yourself. When Jay Z said things like, I will not lose, when he said just now, why Would I be undermining Drake? I'm fucking Jay Z. I'm ho.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's like, yo, sometimes you gotta remind these fools. You gotta look in the mirror and remind yourself like, yo, do you know who you are?

[Chris]

Yeah, I get that. I think it's also like when you see everything through the prism of competition and these guys are insanely ambitious and competitive and that's why they're able to reach the heights that they reach. You know, you go, well, why would he stop competing now? When you see him talk about it, then you step back and you go, yeah, why would he care about this thing? He's just booking the bigger thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Easy, easy, easy answer to that question. He's 56 years old and you got to look at it like a video game, Right? Look at it like a video game and think about all the things we've already seen him do. He's reached so many different levels. Whether we realize it or not, he's reached levels that Drake still hasn't reached yet. Is Drake one of the biggest artists in the world? Yeah, but really Drake is playing a different game in a different era. So why are we even saying the Drakes and the Kendricks or whoever else are chasing these guys like the Jay Z's and the Nas's? What are we comparing it to? Those guys are literally already home. They're home with their feet up. Like they're, they're not competing with the Drake's and the Kendricks anymore.

[Chris]

Yeah, but like we do this all the time. Like we, you know, people with errors. Yeah, but with sports too, it's like when, when Jordan put out the last dance doc, it was like the, the conversation was, oh, he's doing this to cement his legacy as the greatest. And this is to slightly LeBron and blah blah, blah. Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or that's fun, but it's dumb.

[Chris]

Oh, sure, it's dumb. Or when LeBron did Space Kids jam 2, it was his version like, oh,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

you got a movie?

[Chris]

Well, I got the same movie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's LeBron's fault. He should have created something else. Yeah, because I'm gonna be totally honest. Aliens came down right now and was like, we gotta play for Earth. I don't know if I'm going to get Braun. I'm just being honest. I don't know if I'm going to get run.

[Taylor]

Cause he's gonna fall.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When did that movie come out? Yo, he's gonna cry. When did that movie come out? Pull up the other clip of James. When did that movie come out? Yo, if alien. Yo, we gotta really think about this. If aliens, the Monstars came down to Earth and they like, yo, go get your best. Are we motherfucking destroying this team? I'm putting Bron on A Team 2021.

[Chris]

I'll tell you.

[Alex]

That's Space Jam 2.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

2021. If I'm getting drawn to 2021, I don't know.

[Chris]

I'm choosing. I'm choosing the Iranian military. These guys are hard to get out of here, bro. They stick around. These guys stick around.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Any military from the Middle east, bro,

[Chris]

the aliens could be like, it ain't worth it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

From the Middle East. It ain't worth it. Any military from the Middle East. I'm just saying. I'm not going to get Braun. I don't think so. To go against the aliens, bro, you knew Jordan was going to wash it.

[Taylor]

You gotta get. Steph,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

listen, you gotta get a committee. The truth is, you gotta get a committee.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Jordan number one, Bird number two.

[Chris]

You need Bird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get Bird the fuck out.

[Chris]

No, you need Bird.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I'm the biggest bird hater in the world.

[Chris]

Nah, you need Bird.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Bird's number two.

[Chris]

You need Bird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll put Bird on the team.

[Chris]

Yeah. Cause he looks like them a little. So, like, it's gonna confuse them. It's gonna throw them off. They're gonna be looking at him like,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

[Chris]

And, like, thinking they could communicate with him. He's reading all the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, okay, okay. This is a good one. We can get all of them in their primes.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, we got some type of machine that can get everybody back to their prime. Aliens come back down right now, today.

[Chris]

What's the team?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's leading the team?

[Chris]

It's Michael Jordan. You gotta have Bill Russell on there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm getting Kobe. Michael Link. Kobe. I don't know if I'm bringing Bill. I don't know if I'm bringing Bill. I got to see what the Monstars are on first, son. God bless Bill.

[Chris]

Bill Russell coached white people through racism.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Chris]

You don't think he could beat some hills? I gotta let Phil be on the team. You gotta let Bill be on the team. He was telling whites what to do in Boston. You telling me he can't organize?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bill, be the coach.

[Chris]

Jordan and Kobe's beef.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, let Bill be the coach. Come on, Michael. Kobe, Shaq. Gotta get Shaq. Gotta get Shaq.

[Taylor]

Get that Asian dude, too, man.

[Chris]

Get out of here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, get the. I don't even know who the Fuck are you talking about?

[Chris]

Yeah, he's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Chris]

We'll be giving secrets back to China. We can't. No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need. You need.

[Chris]

You need.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, I'm gonna get Steph. Steph, we need a shooter. You know why we need a shooter? The otherworldly shooter.

[Chris]

We need a shooter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The aliens would be like, yo, I ain't seen shit like that since that planet in that other galaxy. Like, that ain't no y' all had that here. I'm going to get mad.

[Chris]

No. Because now we only got one shooter. We need it. We need a kd, low key. We need kd. We need two guys that can splash.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to get magic. Magical. Scare them. Because if they've been doing their research, they'd be like, yo, you said in their prime. Oh, he didn't have it in his. Nah. No, he did, though.

[Chris]

No, he had to retire. He had to retire, but that wasn't his prime.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I get what you're saying. Yeah, you're right.

[Chris]

He didn't have any magic in his. You're right.

[Alex]

Right before shooting, we don't go like Ray Allen or.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, not with the aliens.

[Chris]

Nah, you gotta get Katie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need Steph if we want more shooting. I'll go get Burt.

[Chris]

You gotta get Burt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll go get Burt. I'll get Larry Legend.

[Chris]

Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll get Larry Legend. If we need more shooters.

[Chris]

And just the shit talk.

[Andrew Schultz]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We still ain't picked Bron yet. We like nine players in. You gotta bring Bron, though, at some point.

[Chris]

Over.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not an over. We doing a 12 man roster.

[Chris]

No, no, we said five. We said five.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, five. Oh, five. Oh you yeah. Five. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Five. And it's no disrespect to Lev Lebron, who plays point.

[Chris]

Then you let Steph bring it up. You let Steph bring it up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In a traditional point, okay, you let

[Chris]

Jordan and Kobe cause chaos in the block.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If we got magic, I'm putting magic at the point.

[Chris]

But magic is not there. He's healthy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't.

[Chris]

We're talking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is different things.

[Chris]

We need shooters. You have Steph there. You have kd.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got Jordan and Kobe.

[Chris]

Jordan and Kobe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Give me magic at the point, Jordan at the 2.

[Chris]

You have Jordan playing the 3, and you have Kobe playing the 2. Let Jordan just. People up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So where does Larry Bird go?

[Chris]

He's just a white man making sure everything's safe. It's just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, you can't remember Pat Riley's quote about Bird.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

He said, if I had to pick one person to save the game, I'm picking Michael Jordan. I had to pick one person to save my life.

[Chris]

I'm picking Larry Bird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so here we go. He negotiate with the police. Magic. Magic at the point. Michael at the 2, Kobe at the 3, Bird at the 4, Shaq at the 5.

[Alex]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Aliens are getting the fuck out of here.

[Chris]

Get the out of here. Aliens go to Mars. Get off of her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get your go.

[Chris]

Ain't no way anybody else watch from the stands. There's no way you picking anybody else. Different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Play this clip. Taylor. This a good conversation, too, man. What's homie's name that did this conversation? Somebody find his name. There you go. See, right there. Right there, Right there. The first one.

[Chris]

This one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

We love the excitement, and I love the sparring and the music you get. But in this day and age, it's so much negative stuff that comes with it that you almost wish it didn't happen.

[Chris]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Because it's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

No matter what he makes. No matter what he says. And it goes far, too. It's like attack on his character and his thing and his. And it's like. I don't know if I love that. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know if it's helpful to our growth where the fallout lands, especially on, like, you know, on social media, which takes place every day.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And now you have these pods of cult.

[Chris]

The Stan Armies fight.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. And it's like, it's too far.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like bringing people, kids in it. And it's like, I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that is probably. You know, I sound like the old guy wagging the fence, but I think we can achieve the same thing as far as, like, sparring with music, with collaborations. More so than breaking the whole thing apart.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It could stand it before because there was no social media and there was no thing. And, you know, you had the battle and it was fun, and then you moved on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right now, I don't know if it could stand it with the technology that

[Chris]

we have because it takes up so much oxygen.

[Andrew Schultz]

It takes up so much oxygen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now it's just like every day they're just trying to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talking about it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not just talking about it. Not like, yo, this song. I like this. It was like trying to tear down the people's life.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like trying to. You Know, wreck this guy's marriage or this guy's relationship with his child and it's like, I don't know, man. I don't know if. I don't know if it's worth it at this point. Yeah, I don't know.

[Chris]

It's interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Again, that's all J. Cole was trying to say.

[Chris]

It's old head logic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that what J. Cole was trying to say?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

But he's also underselling how much Oxygen, Nas versus Jay Z took up at the height.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Jay Z, I mean, and Biggie and Tupac. Yeah, there's a lot dominated in New

[Unknown Male Speaker]

York City at this time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I think. I mean, there's a cost to this.

[Chris]

That's the thing. There's a cost to the energy, there's a cost to the heat. Right. Like sometimes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's always been though.

[Chris]

No, of course, of course. I think that's just what he's saying. And he's looking back at it as somebody who's lived through it and he's viewing it, you know, for. What is it? Monday morning quarterback, he's like. But to the victor go to spoils, you could say. But then you could also make the argument that there's a lot of people now that hate Kendrick. Let's say Kendrick won, right? There's a lot of people now that hate Kendrick. Sure. They hate Kendrick simply because they love Drake. That's what he's saying. And vice versa. And so he's going, was that worth it? Like, is it worth forcing people to decide? Forcing people to make these decisions where you can't appreciate someone else's art that you actually low key kind of think is fire just because you're loyalty to one person.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll say what I agree with, first of all, from this statement. I like what he said about, you know, you can still get your sparring off with collaboration because now you got people on records doing records with each other and they're all trying to one up each other with verses, right?

[Chris]

Yeah, but the Internet was blood, Charlotte, you know this, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I totally disagree with the take on because another thing he did in this interview that I thought was dope, he named like the four elements of hip hop and he was saying the ones that don't exist anymore. But he was like, you know, battling is like the last one left. And the reason battling is one of the last ones left is the last one left. Because the MC still matters. The person that's doing the barring up still matters. It's not the beat, it's not the break dancing. It's not the DJing. It's not the graffiti. The guy with the microphone still matters. And every now and then, we want to see the two best of a generation go, heads up. Now, everything Jay Z is speaking to already existed before the Internet. Jay Z and Nas went to hell on each other in records. You know, Tupac, God bless the Dead, definitely went to hell on Biggie. He starts the song off saying, that's why I pupped you a pitch, you fat motherfucker. That was his ex, his wife, his mother.

[Chris]

But it wasn't the same reaction channel. There was the same reaction channel and clipping economy that adds so much gas to the flames.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But time out. You're right, but the Kendrick Drake battle is very unique. Kendrick and Drake battle would have probably been over a long time ago if somebody knew how to take an L. If Aubrey Graham just simply knew how to take an L and didn't do things like sue the record label.

[Chris]

I think that Ms. Was done before that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he made it worse. He sued. I sat here on this podcast, told y' all he was gonna sue. In jest. Sarcasm, sort of. Kinda when I'm right, it's not sarcasm. But so in jest, right? And he actually did. That is what made it worse. All of the things that have been happening after the fact, all of the Drake fan pages who still can't get over the fact that he just lost the rap battle. So they're constantly digging up stuff, constantly trying to find stuff, constantly trying to, you know, rewrite history just because your guy lost a rap battle. Drake kept this going in a way that we've never seen before. None of us. We've never seen somebody sue after losing a rap battle.

[Chris]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what makes this seem nastier than what it is. Like. Like we've seen people get called wild things in rap battles before. Like, we've seen people say, I fucked your baby mom and this person fucked your wife. And we've seen all of that before. We've never seen nobody sue.

[Chris]

That's true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Drake made it worse. Drake and Kendrick battle is not only the greatest rap battle of all time, it's the most unique rap battle of all time. We never saw anything like this. We never saw somebody like Kendrick. We said who said it earlier. To the victor go to spoils. You said that, Chris. We've never seen anybody get a victory lap like Kendrick. Grammy Awards for a diss record, super bowl halftime show. Cause he had such a monster year. Followed up his diss record with an album, gnx, that was critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Go on tour around the world with the biggest R and B artist and fucking perform these records everywhere. Kendrick spiked the football a million different times. We never saw anything like this, guys. And like, Jay can't even compare this battle to anything. There's no comparison for this. And I know we're talking about the tech. And that's the other thing. He didn't acknowledge the artist in this, other than to say, yo, you know, you might like this song. You might like that song. Both of these guys went to hell on each other. You got one guy calling one dude a woman beater and saying that his wife is one of the kids is his best friend. And you got Kendrick saying he's a pedophile. Like it was. It was nasty. Like rap battles are. But it was everything that happened after the battle that made this the most unique rap battle ever. So you can't say you don't want to see battles anymore just because of this situation, because this is never going to happen again.

[Alex]

Hmm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is never going to happen again. Even when not think about it.

[Chris]

Of course something like this will happen, happen again. Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. And I think because of the players,

[Unknown Male Speaker]

this is an improvement in some ways.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

The biggest rap battle is Tupac versus Biggie. You saw how that ended.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, Tupac versus Biggie was the last time in my mind. But you can't even say that because Biggie didn't engage. It was. Biggie didn't engage. He said that.

[Taylor]

That wasn't supposed to. He didn't engage.

[Alex]

Who shot you as a subliminal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everybody says who shot you was recorded way before. I don't know. But my point is, Biggie didn't really engage directly. But as far as artist, wise man, Pac was a way bigger artist than Big. Yo, I know it don't seem like that.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Nah, he wasn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pac was a way bigger artist than Big at the time when Jay Z and Nas went at each other, Jay was a way bigger artist than Nas. Yo, when Drake went at Meek, Drake was a way bigger artist than Meek. So it was easier for those battles just to keep moving. Cause there's nothing but upside. Nas, you win with Etha. Right. Even though I think Takeover's a better song. But Nas, you win with Ether. So it's nothing but upside for you, right? Yeah. Sadly, Pac and Biggie got kicked.

[Chris]

You know, the smaller guy always has the upside.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Meek. Meek, Never.

[Chris]

What are you saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just Saying Meek could have just kept doing music, but for some reason, he didn't. Like, something was just off after the battle, you know what I mean? And he really. I mean, honestly, he didn't really.

[Alex]

He never recovered.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Chris]

Maybe he made a lot of money.

[Taylor]

He kind of recovered when he got with Nicki and then it fell off.

[Alex]

No, they brought him right after that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he brought us.

[Taylor]

I know, but he was, like, having songs out and everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what it was with Meek, man? Meek's Achilles heel to me was actually Twitter.

[Taylor]

Yeah, for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when Drake still do. When Drake called him Twitter fingers, now what do you say? What was it? It was Twitter fingers.

[Taylor]

Yeah, Twitter fingers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When he called him Twitter fingers, Trigger

[Chris]

fingers turned to Twitter fingers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Trigger fingers turned to Twitter fingers. And it's just like every time Meek tweets, even now to this of days, crazy.

[Chris]

It's pure energy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I'm like, I fuck with Meek. You know what I'm saying? I think Meek does a lot for his community. He's been a great symbol for the city of Philly. I love what he does with reform, but I probably would have deleted my Twitter after Twitter fingers, yo. And just flooded the streets with nothing but music.

[Taylor]

You're forgetting the stuff, too.

[Chris]

Guys, guys, guys. We're insane to talk every week. What? We're insane to talk everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we're podcasters.

[Chris]

But we're podcasts. Twitter. Only Elon makes money. You know what I mean? Like, you could do the same talking and tweeting you could do in bars. You could just rap. You could just do it. It's a kind of crazy thing that people are actively still talking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, man. At that level, Meek should have double, tripled down on just rap. Just rap, like, because he's nice. Like, just flood the streets with music. Let social media talk. Let them be crazy. And you get off Twitter. Just give him music and, you know, keep doing your community work.

[Chris]

Also that, like, Philly will play for decades.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Chris]

Like, they'll play that literally for decades.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dreams and Nightmares is like, PSA level at this point.

[Chris]

Yeah, I imagine for Philly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, for the world.

[Chris]

No, of course the world. But also the world also has psa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, but we've seen. If you see, I've seen Dreams of Nightmares in another country. It's the same.

[Chris]

No, no, I'm not trying to knock it. I'm just trying to say, like, the emotional connection we have for psa. Right. I'm sure Philly probably loves psa, too. And then they get Dreams and nightmares. And if you have to ask them what we're going to come out to, what we're going to start with in Philly, they're going to go dreams.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Taylor's doing that shit at her wedding.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

What we do is wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor, you.

[Taylor]

I'm playing Freeway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know Freeway. First of all, I knew. I know Freeway. Listen, there's three things you will hear at a silly wedding. Dreams and nightmares. Freeway. What we do is WR and freaking. No better love from the young guns.

[Taylor]

We're playing jokes.

[Chris]

Got to. Every time I step in the booth,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they've already told me. Taylor said she walking out with her dad to. Y' all ready? You're not playing a Beanie Siegel, the

[Chris]

most popular Jewish rapper out of raping

[Charlamagne Tha God]

rhymes like this to sound like this. She told me that she's walking out the dreams and nightmares at her wedding.

[Chris]

You gotta come back. That's the most ever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you gonna do what you can't play? What we do is wrong, though.

[Chris]

But we do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's gotta be bad.

[Taylor]

No, I wasn't gonna play that one. It was gonna be, oh, you said

[Charlamagne Tha God]

when you threw the bouquet. We gonna do what we do is wrong. All I'm simply saying is just to go back to the point.

[Taylor]

I forgot it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's all about how you handle a loss after a rap beef. But the reason I say this situation is unique.

[Chris]

Taylor's gonna catch her own bouquet to stay married.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She might. She might. She might. She might.

[Chris]

No, I'm gonna play Flipside.

[Taylor]

That's what I'm gonna play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, Flipside is fire. Another Philly classic. But the reason this beef was unique is because Kendrick and Drake were literally the two top artists of their generation. They're huge. Like, they're massive. There was no underdog in this battle. I know that y' all wanna think Drake is such a. The bigger artist than Kennedy.

[Chris]

This is a great point because we remember hip hop being so massive at the time, but it wasn't close to the level it is right now.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Not at all.

[Chris]

So you're looking at the two biggest figures in a gen for the last 15 years. It is at its pinnacle. Yes, Right. It's at its zenith globally.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah, you're right. So this. This might not happen again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This will never happen.

[Chris]

In order for it to happen again, hip hop has to be ubiquitously the most popular music across the planet. And the two biggest guys have to beef with each. That's a hard thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's not only the two biggest guys, status wise, actually, dope mc.

[Chris]

Yeah, they're nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Regardless of how I may feel about the half a Caucasian.

[Alex]

Nah, he's nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Aubrey Graham.

[Chris]

He's nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's nice. When he raps, he's nice. Okay, he's not Kendrick, but he's nice to some people.

[Chris]

To some people, he's Kendrick. You gotta understand, like, people in the way that you don't fuck with or the way that Eminem's music might not touch you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, like, but they went head up jokes. If you and another comedian go head up and you wash them with jokes, yo, Schultz is the guy.

[Chris]

But what I would say is, in. In comedy, there are gonna be some people who are just like, you know what? I like clean comedy. This makes me feel uncomfortable. So I like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what happened that night? We all know what happened that weekend.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

What's the nicest biracial comic?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the fuck is this? Chris? Because we were talking before five. That's a hard left.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Because before the show, we were saying, who's the greatest biracial rapper?

[Chris]

The greatest biracial comedian.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah, give me the greatest biracial comedian.

[Taylor]

Comedian.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Comedians. I don't even know. Biracial comedians are biracial comedians.

[Alex]

That's funny.

[Chris]

Is he not biracial?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he still said it all. How is he saying he should have said half of it? When you're biracial, you can only say half.

[Chris]

Which half?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really? You should say the girl.

[Chris]

If you got to be a tiger,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

if you present as white, you better be a tiger.

[Chris]

You gotta be a tiger.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you present as white, you better be a tiger. If your present is black, you can say the first part.

[Chris]

The first part.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But if you present as white, if you're biracial, you want logic can only do grr. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

Aren't half white and black black?

[Chris]

Say again?

[Taylor]

Key and Peele, are they half white?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who?

[Chris]

But not standups. Brilliant sketch comedians, but not traditional standups.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who.

[Chris]

Who's halfway KE and Peele? Aren't they? I don't know.

[Taylor]

I just.

[Chris]

I know, I know. Yeah, I think they're both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy. If both of their parents up, they're both biracial.

[Chris]

I think so, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Taylor]

I'm see.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, so collectively they can say it together. But yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah. Jay Z shouldn't base his opinion on battling off this battle. This was different. You know what I'm saying? And when you talk about also OG is different.

[Chris]

Like, he got perspective on life. Now he's looking back at Things and going.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I think.

[Alex]

I think he's also reflecting on him and Nas and he's like, damn. I think he regrets that him and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nas were able to move on because they simply moved on.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I'm saying he understand what I'm saying. We don't. It was great.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex]

We don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By the way, that's the best case scenario, Kendrick. The best case scenario is you spar. Y' all go at it, y' all might not like each other for a while, but then at some point, y' all piece it up.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Do you think if they had social media back then, it would have.

[Alex]

Somebody would have died.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If they had social media back then, Jay Z would have been the recipient of all the memes because Nas said all of the funny. And now, don't get me wrong, Jay said some dope, slick shit in Takeover. I think Takeover's a better record. Could. But, you know, they would have been camel memes. You know what I'm saying? It have been Jay with actual rat whiskers. Like, it have been crazy back then.

[Taylor]

Yeah, but do you think they would

[Alex]

have been your baby seat?

[Chris]

That.

[Taylor]

Yeah, that was horrible.

[Chris]

Not rock, fellas, chains. Like, there would have been like Eva had probably.

[Taylor]

Do you think that they would have still made up? That's what I'm asking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think. Yes.

[Chris]

No. This is a great. This is a great argument with. Are you. Are you making up based on what the other person says? Are you making up based on what the audiences are making you feel? Oh, and I think that's what you're getting at. It's like sometimes. Sometimes the Internet is like the schoolyard where everybody else is going, ooh, he said that? And you're really reacting to what the schoolyard is doing, not to what the person is saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So, yeah, I mean, good point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The reality is, you know, Pac and Biggie aren't alive anymore, but they said things that. That stuck forever.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like people are still debating Tupac sleeping with Biggie's wife right now.

[Chris]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ether is literally a verb people use when somebody gets washed in the street. Like, you know what I'm saying? And the same thing with Kendrick and motherfucking Drake. I'm sure Drake has been places and heard say, oh, he ho. Like, I'm sure he's gotten that so many times. Like, I'm sure that shit sticks. Just like Twitter fingers stuck to Meek. So in great rap battles, there's going to be things that stick, but the artists have to learn to move on. If the artists move on, so will the fans. The only reason people haven't moved on in this situation is because of Drake. I'm telling you, if Drake hadn't sued and made this the issue and all of that other shit, it had been gone. But Drake wasn't sitting around, you know, talking to his influencer friends and, you know, telling them things. And they get on podcasts and on their screams and talk about it like nothing. It would have been gone already.

[Chris]

But that's the thing. That's what the Internet does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a place for it and artists.

[Chris]

But the battle is won on the Internet. Kind of between the stand communities, not really between the artists.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What if the artist would already went out? What if Drake would have already changed the temperature already? He put out the Party Next Door album, right? What if he did? What if Iceman. Iceman might change the temperature. Unless he's still rapping about this shit. We heard snippets from the motherfucker and he's still throwing shot. Like, let the shit go. If you move on, so will the audience.

[Chris]

What did you make the joke about? Like, what timing for him? Like during Ice in America, he's putting out an album. No, that was me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw that, though. Yeah.

[Chris]

I mean, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that was crazy. It's not even that, though. Iceman is a gay superhero. Bobby Drake is a gay superhero. He was gay, man. Shut up. I got a wolverine tattooed on my arm. Bet you. You want to bet your mouth. No, I know people. I want them to. If you so sure. Bet your mouth. Google Bobby Drake.

[Alex]

Read the comics.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bobby. Google Bobby.

[Alex]

He wasn't gay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gay superhero, yo.

[Chris]

Bet your mouth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bobby Drake is a gay. Iceman is a gay superhero, guys.

[Alex]

Wasn't he with Rogue? Him and Rogue were dating, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just telling you what the fuck is going on. Okay? All right. Bobby Drake got a boyfriend. In the comic book, Bobby Drake is canonically. Is canonically gay. In Marvel comics community.

[Chris]

I'm looking this up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The character was outed in 2015 by his younger self via Jean Grey in all new X Men 40. Wow. Portrayed as heterosexual. Writers hinted at his sexuality earlier, and the revelation allowed him to step out of the closet.

[Chris]

Bobby Drake can. And gay Bobby Drake, he gonna have

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to explain that now. See that? And by the way, that's some. That's. That's. That's worse than putting out an album with the Ice Age. I hate, bro.

[Alex]

Now he just put that into the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

air, and now everybody gonna run. Whoever interview him has to ask that question, that's got to be one. Why would you name your album Ice Age after Bobby Drake who came out as gay? Are you trying to tell us something, Drake?

[Chris]

Yeah, that's a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's just an obvious question in an interview. I mean, you know, I don't interview people often, but if I was interviewing somebody, how you say you don't interview

[Taylor]

people often, it's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying I don't really have any experience in the interviewing game. But if I was interviewing somebody who comes out with an album called Iceman and his name is Drake, and the character Bobby Drake from Marvel Comics was known as heterosexual but decided to come out as gay, I need to ask some questions about that because I would put my hand on his shoulder and say, you don't have to do this, okay? There's other ways to get people talking about other things. All right? Okay. That's all I'm simply saying.

[Chris]

Does it make the beef a hate crime?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. Damn. Maybe that's what he going for. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Maybe that's what he's going for. Cause not like us takes on a whole new meaning, you know what I'm saying? When it's coming from a heterosexual perspective to a potential homosexual. I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying this is crazy. That's all I'm saying. Guys, y' all gotta stop jacking Iceman on the way, all right? Iceman on the way.

[Chris]

Nah, this guy, man, having too much fun. I know you're done. Charlamagne. Let me tell you something. Charlamagne with fuck you, money is a problem. It's a problem. It's like a dictator that been in power too long, you know what I mean? Like, nothing matters. Nothing matters.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just feel like I'm. I feel like I'm just saying, some comments. You're free. You're free, bro. I feel like I'm saying some comments.

[Chris]

You're liberated, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me ask you a question. Nobody could hurt you. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, ask me. Let me ask a question.

[Chris]

I feel like the question you're gonna ask me is just you talking after knowing. I feel like you're not even gonna

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ask me a question after knowing this information that Iceman, Bobby Drake is gay in Marvel Comics and Drake is naming his album that. Don't you want to know why he named his album Iceman?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

How come we haven't seen the Iceman movie?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Shit. Go on fucking Netflix and type in gay rom coms and see what comes up, okay?

[Chris]

No, there's a TV show about it. It's called Heated Rivalry.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Oh, that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What son.

[Chris]

That's what I do, guys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I do. Come on. Don't try this at home. He's a professional. Let's pay some bills, man. Let's pay some bills. Salute to DraftKings, man. DraftKings Casino is putting the power in your hands with new exclusive Flex spins. 100 million Flex spins up for grab. You choose how to use your share With Flex Spins, all players can flex their fun across 100 plus slots. A reward only available on DraftKings Casino. It's your play your way. Head to the app to play for your Daily share of 100 million Flex spins. Now through March 29th. The Crown is yours in partnership with DraftKings Casino. Gambling problem, call 1-800- gambler in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly. 21 and up. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. Only void in Ontario eligibility restrictions apply. One reward per day. Reward amount and claim or play requirements vary. Daily rewards issued as non withdrawable Flex Spins for choice to select games that expire in seven days. [e-mail] Promo ends March 29 at 11:59pm Eastern Time.

[Chris]

Tired of trying to figure out what actually works for hair loss? Hymns, hymns, hymns. You're going to get access to clear solutions. Okay? Expert guidance in an online process that takes the confusion out of care. Being bald is a choice. Now choose not to be it. HIMS offers convenient access to a range of prescription hair loss treatments with ingredients that work, including chews, oral medications, serums and sprays. Dr. Trusted ingredients like finasteride and minoxidil can stop further hair loss and regrow hair in as little as three to six months. You shouldn't have to go out of your way to feel like yourself. HIMSS brings expert care straight to you with 100% online access to personalized treatment plans. Put your goals first. No hidden fees, no surprise costs, just real personalized care on your schedule. Think of HIMS as your digital front door that gets you back to your old self with simple 100% online access to trusted treatments for real health concerns all in one place. So for simple online access to personalized and affordable care for hair loss, weight loss and more, visit hims.comidiots. that's hims.comidiots. for your free online visit hims.comidiots Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescription required. See website for full details, restrictions and important safety information. Individual results may vary based on the studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride. Now let's get back to the show.

[Taylor]

Score more with the college branded Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash. Got paid back with the Venmo debit card. You can instantly access your balance and spend on what you want, like game day, snacks, gear, tickets and more. The more you do, the more cash back you can earn. Plus, there's no monthly fee or minimum balance. Sign up [e-mail] CollegeCard the Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Venmo Bancorp Bank. NA Select Schools available. Venmo Stash terms and exclusions apply at venmo.me stash terms max 100 cash back per month.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got some church announcements, Hezekiah Walker?

[Chris]

Yes, sir. This week I'll be in Rhode Island. And then I got that show with Jelly for the. Netflix is a joke fest coming up. I believe that's in May. And then I got a show in Halifax, Nova Scotia this summer. And then I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna add a few different. I think I'm at a few different clubs. Like I did this last weekend in Nashville to kind of like start carving out what this next hour is going to be. And that was like a. That was a fun experience. So I want to get back out there. So I think I'll be announcing that in the near future.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You going to be in Providence?

[Chris]

I'll be in Providence this weekend for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, man. Go to Egardless Biscuit, man. Yeah, I was there a couple of weeks ago. Salute to Irregardless Biscuits. I love that place. I went there twice when I was there that weekend.

[Chris]

Why were you in Providence?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My daughter's shilling competition. But I. I was. Yeah, I went to Iri Godless Biscuit twice, bro.

[Chris]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. The chicken maple. I get the chicken maple biscuit with no cheese and egg. Oh, that place is so good, bro. Irregardless Biscuit. A small little spot, but you should pop in there, man.

[Chris]

I'm gonna go check it out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you like biscuits. I love biscuit.

[Chris]

Who doesn't like biscuits? But it's just so like, I'm 42, bro. I'm not trying to blow the up up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I just do one. It's just chicken maple.

[Chris]

We get fat, bro. That's what it is. It's just bread at this age.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

That's true.

[Chris]

N. You don't get to eat bread anymore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I went to Jersey Mike's yesterday and had a. A I had wheat bread and I just had the regular with turkey.

[Chris]

It don't matter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I felt too fat last Rye, sourdough,

[Chris]

it's all the same out of here. You fat for a week.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can't with the bread now. You're right.

[Chris]

This guy just had a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

[Alex]

What?

[Chris]

This guy's fucking crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do you hate your life?

[Chris]

Fucking crazy.

[Alex]

I was asleep. I needed to wake up.

[Chris]

Nah, nah, it's good. There's a difference between it being good and like, will it stay on our body for a week?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man. Here's the thing. But you know what, Alex? You're actually eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch the way you should, which is as a snack. As a snack?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We've been fucking up eating that cereal for breakfast. That shit is a snack, bro.

[Chris]

Son, you know what's crazy is that they would feed us fucking Cookie Crisp, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, cocoa Pebbles at 7:30 and then expect us to sit down and pay attention.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you gonna try to put us on Ritalin, tell us we got adhd, but you gave us all that sugar

[Chris]

first morning, so now you got every kid on fucking Ritalin because you're popping us full of sugar in the morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got the nerve to be mad at me because I'm pulling fire alarms just to run outside the fucking size room.

[Chris]

You're giving me a line of blow. You're giving a 12 year old a line of coke and then asking him to learn fucking geography.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Telling me to sit still.

[Chris]

Fuck out of here. Sit still.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even. I'm not even control of my little adolescent body and you giving me all this sugar, but I gotta just sit here.

[Chris]

That's Fuck, that's not right.

[Taylor]

How many times did you pull the fire?

[Chris]

Every time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire alarm. I pulled it twice.

[Chris]

That's it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, twice. You know I pulled the fire alarm at the Charleston Museum one time when I was a kid.

[Chris]

What does the Charleston Museum have it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Back in the day they had like the dinosaur bones. It was a museum, but it was. I didn't even pull the alarm. I opened the emergency exit door. Like the door they tell you not to open. Because I swore that that's where they was hiding. The good. The good. I remember that shit like Cause, you know, I'm looking at the dinosaur fossils and everything, and I'm asking questions. I was. I don't remember how old I was. I gotta ask my mom how old I was. And they was like, don't. You know, I saw the door and the door said, do not open. And my brain just was like, why

[Chris]

you can't break and not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not open that door there. What's back.

[Chris]

What's back there?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know it's some good back there. I opened that set the whole alarm off at the museum.

[Chris]

But did you find something?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't remember. I just know we had to evacuate everybody. Had to get the out the museum.

[Chris]

Wait a minute, Charlamagne, you're saying that the museum wasn't hiding the good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't even go past the door. You know what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Funny idea. Like, the museum, which is there to show you, is like, nah, we can't go maul this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They probably got the good in the back.

[Chris]

Like what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. I don't know if I believe in dinosaurs anymore.

[Taylor]

Did you watch the Morgan Freeman movie?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Chris]

Why you believe everything?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Here's the thing. You have bones of things. Nah, nah.

[Taylor]

Yeah, but they could have.

[Chris]

I don't even believe they could have stopped dinosaurs.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They don't show us that shit no more. When the last time you seen dinosaur fossils?

[Chris]

Yo, I don't believe. I don't go too far. None of y' all believe dinosaurs look the way they looked, right?

[Alex]

Yeah, No, I think they looked a little different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or even their sound, but they still were big.

[Chris]

They're just chickens, right? It's big chickens. It's big birds. That's what it is.

[Taylor]

Did you watch it?

[Chris]

What?

[Taylor]

The Morgan Freeman.

[Chris]

He's not a dinosaur. He's just an old dinosaur.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why are you doing it? He's a legend. How would you say that about somebody that could be your grandfather? He's not even. I don't even know why you would do it.

[Chris]

Don't say that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He would be her grandfather. That was hellbound. You hellbound. Hell's crazy. You are hellbound. You said that. You are hellbound. You need to get on your knees and repent for that one. Now we talking.

[Chris]

Yo, bet your mouth, man. Yo, bet your mouth is insanity. That is crazy. That's you. Who invented that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Crazy. You bet your mouth.

[Chris]

You invented that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, I've been betting my mouth on this podcast for years, son.

[Chris]

We have. Yo, it's crazy, bro. What is going on here. It's insane.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every now and then I still get a tweet that be like, yo, you still 069 top. Yo, yo, you bet your mouth first. But I don't care. I said it. Yeah, because this is what y' all don't understand. I said this thing.

[Chris]

Yeah, but you gotta understand he can't really collect it. One day you're gonna bet your mouth on someone who could collect not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't bet. I bet other mouths. Oh. Church announcements. Black Effect Podcast Festival April 25 Atlanta, GA Pullman Yards. Pull up, pull up, pull up. All the fan packages are already sold out. I don't know why y' all always. But thank y'. All. We appreciate you. Student tickets are still left. Some general admission tickets are still left. Go to black effect.com podcast festival. Drink Champs is going to be on that stage. Nori and DJ EFN Mona. Don't Call Me White Girl is going to be on that stage. Crystal Renee Haslet is going to be on there with the Keep It Positive Sweetie podcast. Carlos King with Reality with the King is going to be there. Devonte Kyle and Ice Cupcat, they'll be there with the Grits and Eggs podcast. And Jeff teague with Club 520 will be there. So go get your tickets. Blackffect.com podcast festival Man, I had a great time last week. Huh?

[Taylor]

I had something.

[Alex]

You know why he thought about that? Cause he was betting mouths and it's in Atlanta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think Atlanta's as gay as it used to be.

[Taylor]

I don't think so either.

[Chris]

Why'd you throw gay out there?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? That's what it was like Atlanta at one point. I think Atlanta might have been the gayest city in America.

[Chris]

You could bet mouth for any. Anything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not the right bet.

[Chris]

But you could bet mouth for. For a guy to girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who would bet that? I don't want that. Nice bet.

[Chris]

It's a good bet. It's a win. Win. N, N, N, N, N n n. What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know the bet I want.

[Chris]

What's the bet you want?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gonna suck Bobby Drake's Popsicle. Oh, come on. It's freezing. You gonna suck Bobby Drake's freestyle dick. What? What? Taylor. What? Taylor. His blow.

[Taylor]

I was going to say with the Black Effect. I will be out there too, doing man on the street.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, little Taylor Gang Mama T. What

[Chris]

are you going to be asking people?

[Taylor]

I don't know. I've been decided. But it's going to be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You going to bring your Little tiny mic.

[Taylor]

I should, but I feel like I'm about to advance to this other camera. But okay. Also, I haven't made the announcement yet of what it is, but I have an event coming in May, so stay tuned.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor, you gotta promote.

[Chris]

Taylor. Taylor, what just happened?

[Taylor]

Exactly right.

[Chris]

Taylor, we need to know what just happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You having an event, you know what I'm saying? You gotta say something like iceman on the way, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

Okay, I'm having an entrepreneurial event, so stay tuned for more details.

[Chris]

Oh, can you give us some details? I'm curious about this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This. Don't worry, Taylor, if you don't have it together yet, don't worry. It's a nice tease.

[Taylor]

No, I mean, it's coming together, but I didn't. We haven't like made the announcement yet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're not.

[Chris]

Well, we, we will be there to support.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. I don't know yet. I got to see what it is, hater. I got to hear more. I need more details.

[Taylor]

So many people. They let you know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When is it going to be, huh?

[Taylor]

It's going to be in May.

[Chris]

In May. Okay.

[Alex]

If you haven't heard, I have a new show. It's called AM Mornings. Check me out. Every Sunday live at 11am Eastern. It's a live call in show. I want to hear from you guys. So, yeah, that's AM mornings on YouTube. See you guys there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, well, blackeffect.com podcast festival. Get your tickets. Damn. It was something else I wanted to talk about. Maybe it'll come back to me. What else we got? Taylor Gang. Oh, nascar, man. Salute to nascar. I had a great time.

[Chris]

I saw you out there, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I had a great time, man. I was at Darlington raceway for the O'Reilly. What's the race called? The O'Reilly. Hold on, let me get the name of the race right, man. O'Reilly.

[Chris]

O'Reilly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, that is them. They sponsored it. Yeah. O'Reilly Auto Parts Series.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My guy, Raja Carruth.

[Chris]

Raja Carruth. Any relation to Ray?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I asked him that.

[Chris]

And what did he say?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they not. They're not related. But do you sponsor his car? I sponsored his car. I sponsored his car for that event. Raja is an up and coming star in nascar. He's only the third black driver to win like a NASCAR series. Let me get, let me get Raj's stats. Let me get Raj's information, right? Because I want y' all to look up Roger Karuf and we're gonna have. I said that because we're gonna have the NASCAR race stimulator simulator. Simulator. I'm sorry, we're gonna have. Yes. He's the third black driver to win a NASCAR National Touring Series race, following Wendell Scott and Bubba Wallace. But we're gonna have the race car simulator at the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Cause, you know, that's how Raja learned to drive.

[Chris]

I actually, he. He blew up because he's the only driver to get pulled over during a race. Didn't you know that,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor? What else?

[Chris]

Did you. Did you not see that race?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't see that race.

[Chris]

That was crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't even.

[Chris]

I couldn't.

[Taylor]

It.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't see that one.

[Chris]

I couldn't believe it. Charlotte.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That black effect car. Look. Fire, though.

[Chris]

Did it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God, dude. Oh, let's do this one. LaRussell.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Controversial song. Heaven Sent. We. We never spoke about this. Are you up on the Russell?

[Chris]

I've loved this kid for a while. Dude, my guy, I think this. And it's like, this is a very tricky one, obviously, but this guy's fantastic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's.

[Chris]

This guy is fantastic. Did you buy his album?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many. He's got 30 out.

[Chris]

Well, no, he just released one kind of on his own, and his goal was to sell, like, a hundred thousand copies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's released 30 albums. On his.

[Chris]

This last one, the goal was to sell 100,000 copies, and people were, you know, buying something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did I. I don't know. I had him on Breakfast Club. I don't know if I did, and I really can't remember if I did or not. I believe I did. Like, LaRussell's my guy. Hovain put me onto LaRussell. God bless the dead. Hovain was managing the Russell at the time. And Hovain. I remember when. I remember it was like, 20, 21, and I was in South Carolina for the summer. Not for the summer, but for, like, Fourth of July or something. And Hovain texted me. He was like, yo, listen to that freestyle I sent you. And I was like, bet. But I didn't listen to it. He texted me. He was like, you didn't listen to that freestyle I sent you? Cause he knew if I heard it,

[Chris]

you'd be like, this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'd be like, this dude is amazing. That's literally what I thought. I'm like, yo, this guy is amazing. And, you know, he's went on to create such a great lane for himself. Independent. Now he's signed to Roc Nation, and they're upset with him because he said it says Hollywood Unlocked says rapper La Russell doubles down on lyrics claiming Adolf Hitler, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein were heaven sent. Then deactivates accounts after intensified backlash.

[Chris]

This is a tricky one because I'd be curious to ask, and I imagine he's a God fearing man. I don't know his background, but if he is a devout Christian, what he's saying is that these people who he knows have committed heinous acts are also heaven sent.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Chris]

That's what he's saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Chris]

That's what his claim is. I'd be hard pressed to find a religious figure that wouldn't say the same

[Charlamagne Tha God]

thing about not heaven sent.

[Chris]

I mean, aren't we. Isn't everybody. Isn't the point that he's trying to

[Unknown Male Speaker]

make, Heaven sent also has a connotation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, heaven sent me. And this is what's very important. When I, you know, I listen to, I listen to the song.

[Chris]

Am I doing the thing where I'm defending the wrong thing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no, you're not, you're not. You're, you're. What you're doing is you're understanding the context of something.

[Chris]

I'm just trying to understand somebody who I've followed and I thought was like really talented. But you see the Internet piling on him and I see that what he said and how controversial it is. But maybe given like the amount of stuff I've watched him do, I'm like, I don't see this guy as trying to go, hey, these guys are okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You understand the context.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you actually listen to the song and you heard his explanation afterwards, I understood the context. What he messed up is using the words heaven sent. Because heaven sent means something that feels like it was sent by God or a higher power to help you, bless you, or save you at the right moment. Now what La Russell is simply saying is that God created. That's what I created, all of these things. I mean, I mean, the reality is he did like, what is it? Yeah, Isaiah 45, 7, I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord, do all these things.

[Chris]

So let me ask you a question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo. Satan was created in heaven. He's a fallen angel.

[Chris]

Satan is heaven sent.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't know. I don't.

[Chris]

Since when in music or art do we have to use the exact definition of a word? Or else it is interpreted in the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

words of the Internet? No, no. So there's two different things. Words matter. So there's two different things. The Internet is nothing but words.

[Chris]

So there's Two different things. I don't think anybody I'd be, I doubt, I don't want to speak frank, anybody. But like me, the way I'm looking at this is the reason he's saying it. And it's such a provocative thing to say. The reason he even goes, hey, my engineer told me not to put this out. He's prefacing you with, hey, I'm going to say something that I know is going to sound horribly wrong, but these people are human beings. Horrible things that they've done. Heinous, the worst of the worst. But they are also human beings. Now I don't know what he means by that. I don't know if he thinks that they shouldn't be punished. Maybe he thinks they'll receive the ultimate punishment from God for what they've done.

[Alex]

Done.

[Chris]

But who else created them if not God?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I, I, that, but that's a different conversation. I agree.

[Chris]

That's what I thought he was trying

[Charlamagne Tha God]

to say that, that that was the context of what he was saying. Like Once again, Isaiah 45:7, I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord do all these things. Once again, Satan was created in heaven. I just don't think that they're heaven sent. Like Satan was a fallen angel, you know? You know a better question because you know, like we can agree the heaven sent thing was wrong, but we do know that God did create all of these entities. Right. The better question is could they repent for their sins? Now that's tough. Now if you're a Christian and you have to believe that everybody can repent for their sins, could those individuals he named repent? I don't know. I'm just asking.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

No, they should be able to because

[Charlamagne Tha God]

they got this hell right. Right.

[Chris]

They should be God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's hell.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I don't even know what repent for your sins means.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, because I don't want to hear

[Chris]

that or ask forgiveness.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Alex]

Change behavior.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Hitler changed behavior.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying. You can't. But that's my point and I think that's what you're saying too, Chris. Like could Hitler have been a born again Christian? Could Epstein have been a born again Christian? Like hell no. We like, like the Bible does talk about hell. Now I don't believe, I don't, I don't be saying, you know, such and such is going to hell. I don't believe that. I'm, I don't have the moral authority to say some shit like that. But if based on scripture, this is

[Chris]

where it gets tricky.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Them guys are burning in flames.

[Chris]

You would hope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Eternal damnation. You would hope. That's all I'm saying. But. But that.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

You guys really think there's a hell?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Honestly, I don't know. I don't, I don't.

[Chris]

I think you live in it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I do too.

[Chris]

But again, I don't know. But like, I, I think that you live in your hell. I think you can also live in your heaven.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think heaven is what you make it and hell is what you go through to get there.

[Chris]

Yeah, I think that works too. But like, also, like, if you're living a sinning life, like, yeah, there's some sociopaths out there that just don't feel. And they have competitive advantage because they, they just don't feel that empathy towards other people. But for people who do feel empathy and they're doing fucked up shit all the time, it's like, yeah, they're living in heaven, hell. They're miserable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh yeah, they're miserable. Absolutely. I see it in their eyes on YouTube every day. But listen, none of y' all answered the question and that's how, you know.

[Chris]

What was the question?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Could those people repent and become born again? I don't think so either.

[Chris]

Well, according to whom? To Chris? No.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

You know, I don't believe in the general Christ.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't, I don't. I personally don't.

[Chris]

I don't have the forgiveness that Christ got. God, that's why he's Christ and that's why we're humans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Christ, but, but God, Christ, they, they gave us rules, man. Like really specific rules. And some people, some people overstep a little bit. And some people be like it, Satan, you are king.

[Chris]

There are people I, I don't forgive and they don't even know it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If God made man in his image according to his likeness. Yeah, you don't forgive off the. I'm just saying. I don't.

[Chris]

I, I want to get better at it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just don't think. I just don't think I want to

[Chris]

get better at it. It's powerful, though. Forgiveness is powerful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that.

[Chris]

So should we forgive LaRussell for this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. Just a bad choice of words.

[Taylor]

He said he has an interview.

[Alex]

But the bad thing is that I

[Charlamagne Tha God]

did see it with Gina Views and DJ Head. My people kind of doubled down and

[Alex]

he didn't do what Schultz just did. Schultz was like, oh, I misunderstood the meaning of that word. If he would have just said that because I do think he's trying to say the same thing. Oh, these are all God's children.

[Taylor]

Children.

[Alex]

But by using the word heaven sent implies that these people that did positive things, he would have just admitted, oh, I misspoke, that's all.

[Chris]

Does anybody actually believe that little Russell thinks that they did positive things, those three people that he mentioned?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but that's why words matter. Heaven sent literally means something or someone that feels like it was sent by God or a higher power to help you, bless you, or save you at the right moment. The literal idea, heaven equals God, divine source sent equals delivered to you. So it literally means sent from heaven for a purpose.

[Chris]

That's a tough.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you mean?

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I mean, this is like when you see a NBA game or a college game and after the game they ask the player on the winning team, you know, anything. Oh, I want to thank God for, you know, know. Oh, God wanted to determine the outcome of a second round NCAA game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But see, I disagree with that. Chris, think about it. I think those players are thanking God for winning. I think they're thanking God for just being able to finish a game healthy, not getting hurt.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

But that implies God made the decision that this player shouldn't get hurt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kyrie Irving, when Kyrie Irving got hurt, Kyrie Irving was on the free throw line. Kyrie Irving said, thank you, God, for what? Because Kyrie Irving is the person that believes every. Things don't happen to you, they happen for you. So. And that's like, that's actually a dope mindset. That's how my brain works. I don't believe in so called good or so called bad. I believe everything is just part of a process. And yo. And I think.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

But what's the other side of that coin is what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, what do you mean? I agree with what you mean.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

The other side of the coin, okay, a kid's gonna die of cancer.

[Chris]

I've heard this take, but I've heard this take.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

So what's the answer?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that if you believe in God, you gotta believe in God with all.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah, okay.

[Chris]

No, I think that like, I've heard this take, and this is like the classic atheist take and the criticisms of the all powerful God who is, you know, dictating destiny, where it's like, okay, a kid dies of cancer and you're like, why would God want to do that? Yes, I've heard that. The. I think what happens here is like, you have a choice in life to decide that the things that happen to you happen to you because you're smited, happen to you for no real reason at all, or happen to you because they're preparing you for some other better outcome in the future. Future. And the one that probably gives you the most joy is going, hey, I'm going through this really tough time right now, and I need to figure out what this is, why this is happening to me, and why it's going to help me ultimately get to this amazingly beautiful time. Because it's really easy to wallow in your sadness and go, woe is me. And why does everything horrible. Right. Yeah. It can offer you resiliency. So whether it's a belief that you truly have and you believe in God and God is there for you, or whether it's you are choosing to take a positive mindset into an incredibly negative situation, there's one direction you can go that potentially makes you happy, and there's one direction you can go that justifies all your sadness. And I think it's harder to be positive in those negative times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, we need just one time. Just one time. We need some people to go live

[Chris]

from the other side and just remind

[Charlamagne Tha God]

us just to show us, right? Like, there might be people that we be like, dang, why would God allow that to happen? Happened. And then we go on the other side and they like, yo, life is lit over here. My God. God needed me on this side, and I'm doing my. I'm doing my thing. This is amazing. Well, then you need some people to go live from eternal damnation, too, to be like, please, kids, change your mind. That would be the beyond Scared Straight of the century. Forget the presence. Yeah, show us what happens if you really in hell. Boy, if we knew hell really existed.

[Chris]

Oh, man. Man, you worried about prison, by the way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By the way. I would respect. I would respect all the evil people then.

[Alex]

Oh, if you saw that and then

[Chris]

doubled down, because if you knew about that,

[Unknown Male Speaker]

the ultimate Scared Straight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that'd be the. That'd be the greatest. Show me hell. Showing me hell would change so many people's lives overnight.

[Chris]

But then there's no point of faith.

[Alex]

Yeah, there's no faith.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not true.

[Chris]

Well, you don't need faith if you got proof.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But. But still, you, you, you. I think, man, you actually have something stronger than faith. Complete submission. If you're. If. Complete submission. If you knew there was a hell, right, and you knew there was a heaven, it wouldn't even be like, yo, yo, I don't know about y', all, but I'm I'm going to get baptized. Yo, all praises due to God, like I. And by the way, faith is great, but man, submission, ultimate submission.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

But in 300,000, 500,000 years of human history, however long we've been here, wouldn't God just let us get a little 10 second clip?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think he does when all the time. I think we don't pay attention to the signs. I don't know about y', all, but I know when my life is going great because I'm actually doing the right things, and when my life is going bad, because I'm not. That's why there's certain things, man, over the last decade, whatever, throw anything at me. I know I'm living righteous, you know what I'm saying? But prior to that, I know I ain't doing right by my wife, you know what I mean? So if it's fucked up shit that happened, like, fuck, man, I caused that to happen. But when I start moving the way I know that I'm supposed to move, and I'm out here living righteously and doing right by my wife, I don't give a fuck what happens. I know that's not my. So that's just something that God wants me to go through for the moment, and I learned from it. And keep it moving. She sucking your teeth?

[Taylor]

What happens when you be, like, making fun of people and everything?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't listen to the devil, y'.

[Alex]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see how that. You see how this. This is what I want. Y' all. Don't listen to the devil. You see how you see that Was the devil over. You hear the devil in the corner? The devil just sucked his teeth. Because I said if I do right by God, my life goes great. But when I do the wrong thing, it goes bad. And you hear the devil suck his teeth. Like, get back out here and get on these hoes, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Okay, not. Wait, you know what? We got P tomorrow. I'm gonna say P, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be honest with you, you know, took me a while, my first couple years to get it together, so, you know, I want to get some shit.

[Chris]

Do your thing, bro.

[Alex]

Oh, shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See? Yeah. Now you got the fucking.

[Taylor]

First of all, it's very clear. My fiance not gonna be given to the devil like how you did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So he married to him? He just proposed. He proposed.

[Taylor]

I am no devil.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He proposed.

[Taylor]

If that's the case, then why you keep me in your corner then?

[Alex]

Ooh.

[Chris]

Keep your friends close.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, you can't have light without darkness. You gotta keep a little bit of darkness around just so you know what light look like. Let's pay some bills and do some asking. Idiots. Mate, I want to add one more thing about the. The Russell thing before you put a button on it.

[Chris]

You know, is this bad to talk about this? Is this like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no. I think it's good. I think it's good. The ill thing about the LA Russell

[Chris]

thing, though, is that your guy's hesitancy to defend him makes me feel uncomfortable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it's LaRusso, my guy. I ain't going to. You know, I roll with my people. I don't think. I don't. I don't think it's his defense. He. His wording was wrong. He shouldn't have said heaven sent. But his sentiment, right when we're having these conversations about, you know, God creating these entities, it's kind of this. Another part of that energy is like, you know how when somebody dies, right? Like they're not somebody kills somebody in somebody's family. You know, you see it Oftentimes you see these. I think about Dylann Roof at Emanuel ame, when Dylann Roof, you know, killed all of those people in my hometown in Charleston, South Carolina, the family forgave him. All right? You see, these situations happen other times where the murderer will kill somebody in the family and the family forgives the murderer. Now, listen, I don't know if the family truly feels like that, but their faith and their religion makes them do that. And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of in LaRussell's take as well. It's rooted in like. Like Christian religion, which is these people were created by God, too. I'm not saying that's right. I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying that is the belief of a lot of people around this world that believe in Christianity.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I don't know. That's just my button on it. You want to do some bills?

[Chris]

Let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Foreign.

[Chris]

Tax season has everyone counting their money. And here's one worth counting on. Getting Your credit over 600 could save you $2,000 on your next car. That's basically a whole tax refund still in your pocket. Think about it. Okay, look, you need credit in order to purchase the expensive things in life. Life good credit is liberating. It allows you to access assets that are going to help you grow, help your family, help future generations. So getting your credit Right is the first path to that generational wealth that you will hopefully attain in your life. Users with under 600 grow an average of 86 points just by paying on time. With transparent parent affordable plans starting at $5 a month, no hidden fees and zero interest. Kickoff off helps you score big when it comes to credit. It's simple, you make on time payments. Credit bureaus see good behavior and your credit can grow fast. Plus their rent reporting feature helps you build credit with the rent that you already pay. Every positive on time rent payment gets reported to help boost your credit. Start building credit immediately for only $1 your your first month. Set up autopay so you can never worry about missing a payment set up Sign up in minutes from your phone. No credit check, no hidden fees, no interest. With over 1 million users and hundreds of thousands of positive reviews, there's a reason why Kickoff is the number one credit builder on the App Store. So start building credit with Kickoff today and get your first month for as little as $1. That's 80 off the normal price when you go to getkickoff.comidiots today. That is kickoff K I K O F F without the C. Get K-I K-O-F-F.com idiots Now you must sign up via getkickoff.com idiots to activate the offer. Offer applies to new Kickoff customers first monthly online subject to approval Offer subject to change New car financing Savings based on 2025 Chevrolet Silverado MSRP with 10k down payment and a 5 year financing for subprime borrowers Cars vs those over 600 nationwide APR average for new cars. Actual savings and financing factors may vary. Source Experian April 2025 average first year credit score impact of plus 86 points between August 2024 and 2025 for kickoff credit account users who started with a score below 600, who paid on time and who had no delinquencies or collections added to their credit profile during the period. Late payments may negatively impact your credit score. Individual results may vary. Build credit fast and get your first month month for just a [e-mail] idiots today. Thanks to Kickoff for sponsoring this podcast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This episode is brought to you by White Claw Surge. Nice choice hitting up this podcast.

[Chris]

No surprises.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're all about diving into tastes everyone in the room can enjoy. Just like White Claw Surge. It's for celebrating those moments when connections have been made and the night's just begun. With bold flavors and 8% alcohol by volume. Unleash the night. Unleash White Claw Surge. Please drink responsibly hard seltzer with flavors. 8% alcohol by volume.

[Chris]

White Claw Seltzer Works, Chicago, Illinois.

[Taylor]

Early birds always rise to the occasion for summer vacation planning because early gets you closer to the action. So don't be late. Book your next vacation early on VRBO and save over $120. Rise and shine. Average savings 141 select homes only.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Before we do some asking nidious, I want to salute to Frasier Tharp, too, man. That's who sat down with Jay Z and did the interview. Frasier Tharp. He works for GQ magazine. I've seen his name before because I've read a few of his articles. Actually, prior I read his clips featured before, he had this article about what was the future. After the rap battle with Kendrick and Dre, he. I mean, he's written some really good stuff. So salute to Frasier Tharp. I know. Don't. I want people to salute the person that was doing the interview? You know what I mean? I don't know him personally, but I've seen his work before.

[Alex]

He used to be on Complex, right? I think so. Like, back in the day, I think

[Charlamagne Tha God]

he might have used to be on Complex.

[Chris]

I know we said never do a podcast if you're famous, but there is something fun about doing one like once a year, you know, like, for like a Jay Z or for like any of these, like, big celebrities. There is something fun about like, once a year. Just making a moment out of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, Jade's even better. This. This is once in what every. I can't even remember the last Jay Z interview.

[Chris]

Jay Z was the last one with MK Come. Nah, bro. You're not getting me too excited too.

[Taylor]

No, it's too easy, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's do some asking. Idiots, man.

[Taylor]

Wait, are you nervous, Taylor?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Huh? Nervous about what?

[Taylor]

It says you can now enlisten army at 42.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm 47, Alex. I don't worry about that shit with your loose. Alex, Alex, Alex. Gotta worry. How old are you, Alex?

[Chris]

Half a second. You almost got me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How old are you, Alex?

[Chris]

35. I'm 42.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you'll be good. You're not. You'll be done.

[Chris]

But they said April.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, this April? Not till October.

[Chris]

I might be going. We gotta wrap this war up, bro. We gotta wrap this war up.

[Taylor]

Force people. I just don't understand how they.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I also.

[Chris]

I always.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't feel guilty.

[Chris]

Not rep. Not. Not doing some sort of a service.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, let me tell you something about it.

[Taylor]

I'm gonna say I'm Good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think America, they don't understand their. They don't understand their citizens. In 2026, everybody gonna be like Muhammad Ali in 26 things. This war, by the way. Not because of any reasons that Muhammad Ali did. Just because we lazy as a.

[Chris]

Not even that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody going to. No.

[Chris]

You got to tell us what. Why we there first?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They not going.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Send ice. Get ice out the airport.

[Chris]

Yo, low kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Send ice to go fight. Yeah.

[Chris]

Bring TSA back. Bring TSA back.

[Taylor]

Have you seen the videos? And I've been doing nothing, Floyd.

[Chris]

I don't know. I'm not sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I have no idea. But the draft is not going to work in America in 2026.

[Chris]

Not for this one. Not for this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it'll work for any war.

[Chris]

I think it depends. Like, I think if you got it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is America.

[Alex]

Oh, you just said here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, I said America. I ain't say about Russia and China. America got too much freedom. They ain't giving that up to go to war. Brian, underscore Rolia. 710 says struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself?

[Taylor]

Still spaghetti sandwiches.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh. That's not a struggle. That's fire.

[Taylor]

I don't think so either. I love spaghetti sandwiches.

[Chris]

Man, that's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

On some white bread.

[Taylor]

Oh, some white bread is amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is hot.

[Taylor]

No one else knows about that but you. Everyone else has said, like, they're so

[Charlamagne Tha God]

confused about it, man. My wife be making spaghetti now for the kids. I'd be so mad. Why would you make that shit and make me eat grilled chicken and broccoli and. And sweet potatoes, you know what I'm saying? Like, why can't I have. Can you make the pasta with some wheat maybe? You know what I mean? Put a little turkey ground beef instead of the beef. Can you think about the less fortunate in this house for lunch? Right.

[Alex]

Wait, is it like, real pasta and you just put it between a sandwich?

[Taylor]

Why?

[Chris]

I'm so confused.

[Taylor]

Like, I make mines with one bread, and then you just put, like, a taco. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then that's what I do.

[Chris]

That's cool. Crazy. Pasta is bread. You're just having bread on bread.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, you're right.

[Taylor]

Yeah. So what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself still. So this is past tense.

[Taylor]

I also want struggle food. It's different textures.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it's struggle food at all. I'm just saying this is back when

[Taylor]

we had more metallicity making it seem so crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was one of my favorite meals, bro. My mama makes spaghetti and then I just. My mama makes spaghetti with corn and just take the white bread and you take the white bread and put the spaghetti in between white bread and eat that like a hot dog. Dog or taco.

[Taylor]

Do you. Wait African. Do you have spaghetti with fish, Fry fish? Because they do that. They do that in the country. I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I definitely have said that. Eat fish and spaghetti. What's a struggle food that you still make for your kid or yourself still, Andrew. Dollar slices.

[Chris]

Nah. Struggle food is crazy because I don't think it's struggle food. But, like, I'm. I like cereal and I don't think it's struggle, but, like, I'm a grown up and I'll eat cereal. Like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, it's like, listen, I get the

[Taylor]

candy plain or do you wait with the milk?

[Chris]

No, I go milk. I go a Special K, Red berries. But it's like, I love it. I. I love this. I would have it for dinner. I'll have it for any time I possibly can. But it's not struggle. Like, spaghetti sandwiches is struggle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they not.

[Taylor]

Listen, they're not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what's struggling? Not eating. Okay. I don't. I don't like to call food struggle food.

[Chris]

That's true. Any food.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not struggling now. Salute to Colleen Witt. Colleen has the show Eating While Bo broke on the Black Effect. She don't call it struggle, though. She just calls it eating while broke. What was the things that you used to eat while you were broke? When you was broke.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Y' all would call peanut butter and jelly struggle food.

[Chris]

No, no, That's a treat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire.

[Chris]

That's ice cream.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire. Now every now and then, I gotta indulge in a peanut butter.

[Alex]

It's kind of a struggle, fool, if you're eating it multiple times a day.

[Chris]

Yeah. Or if you're not having it for breakfast.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, cereal is a snack, but I

[Chris]

don't consider it struggle.

[Taylor]

Me neither.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Once again, if you eating, that ain't a struggle.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. Like, when we're eating all these things, it's a choice. If you have to eat spaghetti and bread, yes, that's a struggle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not.

[Taylor]

No, it's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got spaghetti.

[Taylor]

You're really making the spaghetti.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Spaghetti means that you got the pasta, the ground beef, the sauce, whatever seasoning you put in there. And you got bread. That's a homemade meat.

[Taylor]

When y' all get pasta from, don't they give you bread. So what's the problem?

[Chris]

No, no, you're making sense in terms of, like, you dip the bread into the sauce, but then you eat the pasta, et cetera, and you're just, like, mashing it together. I get it, but it's just crazy, the idea to put, like, pasta on bread for some reason. That's just weird.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Struggle. Struggle is like when you don't got nothing to eat in your house or ass.

[Taylor]

What they used to do, the bread, the syrup sandwiches or something like that. I never did it, but you have. I've never done that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Post the bread. Yo, I remember when I was thinking about this the other day, yo, when I had the microwave, you know. You know when you first got microwaves back in the day day. And you would see the microwave when you come home from school, and, you know, you didn't know how to cook, but the microwave say, French toast, 20 minutes or some like that.

[Chris]

Put toast in there for 20 minutes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Put a piece of bread in there for 20, 30 minutes, and then that be all br. Like, why the. This don't look like my mom's. Y' all know what you.

[Taylor]

You know. Oh, cuz, you did the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Turn the mic away. I was born in 1978 and proud of it. God damn it. Uncle Andre said, as blacks, shouldn't we reward whites for good behavior like we do dogs and kids?

[Chris]

All right, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't reward people for what they supposed to do.

[Alex]

That's funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And what is good behavior?

[Taylor]

Not being racist, I guess

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that should be easy. That should be the easiest thing for some people to do, but it's not for whatever reason.

[Chris]

Yeah. Didn't Jack Harlow. Wasn't he having good behavior?

[Taylor]

You.

[Chris]

You didn't get rewarded.

[Taylor]

No, no, cuz it stand for my

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jack going on tour. I saw them announcing today.

[Chris]

That's cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ain't nobody want to see that. What did he do, bro? I love Jack.

[Chris]

What did he do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to see Jack sing, man.

[Chris]

What did he do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, has Jack. Jack ain't even. Didn't know Jack. Jack didn't do nothing else after that New York Times interview. Jack got low.

[Alex]

Oh, oh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jack said it. You know what else Jack up at?

[Chris]

Stop. I should have never even.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no, no. You know what else jacked up at? And the Jay Z interview makes me think about it. Did Jay Z sit down with gq? Yes, but he sat down with Frasier Tharp, a young black man. If you're a white artist, don't rapper

[Chris]

with the two white guys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't Sit down with two white guys telling them, you got blacker, bro.

[Chris]

Does New York Times employ non white people?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. Well, my point is, if you're gonna. If you're gonna dive into a black genre even deeper. You already do rap, but now you're gonna do R B. Go sit with the black people, yo. But go sit with. I don't care what black platform you pick, what black ocean pick. Go sit with them.

[Chris]

I wonder if it was two black people interviewing him.

[Alex]

That would look crazy.

[Chris]

And he said the same thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He wouldn't have done it.

[Taylor]

He wouldn't have.

[Chris]

No, but what if.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it would have been funny.

[Chris]

It would have been funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Funny. And then it wouldn't have been funny. That's right. And then it wouldn't have been this whole, like, you know, where you should have went. I'm going to tell you where you fucked up, Jack. And I don't know if you're talking to the people that generation now, but if you were, I feel like Drama and Lake would have directed you a little bit better. You should have went to the R and B Money podcast. You should have sat with Tank and J. Valentine, and if they said to

[Chris]

him, they're like, yeah, your music got whatever. And he goes, I got black hair. And they started laughing. Don't you think that the Internet just laughs at it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, if he would have sat with Tank and Jay Valentine for his rollout, matter of fact, before the rollout, he should have sat with Tank and Jay Valentine and did a listening with Tank and Jay Valentine on the R and B Money podcast. Tank and Jay Valentine are the R and B gods, right? So even if they co sign it a little bit or they're saying, this is cool, but you should have did this better or blah, blah, blah, it makes us receive the music totally different. And if you say that joke about, yo, you got black, they laugh. Everybody keeps it moving. But no, you want to go, huh?

[Taylor]

That's what changed your mind about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Would that have changed my mind about it?

[Taylor]

No.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, my mind hasn't changed about. The album is trash.

[Taylor]

But I'm saying, I'm saying if he did that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Narrative is important. Yo, narrative is important. Narrative makes you look at things with different perspectives.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So if he sits with the Army Money podcast, Tank and Jay Valentine create a different narrative around this album. And if Tank and J. Valentine just put it out there like, this shit is actually all right. Now, my approach to it is different because I'm like, all right, Tank and J. Valentine set Aside, let me listen. Yeah, but if you listen with my neck today, I'm like, this shit is trash.

[Chris]

And listen, if you don't like the album, you might not like the album, but maybe you would receive that comment in a very different light.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Oscar B. Savage on him says, a life without anything that associates to sex or a life without women.

[Chris]

A life without anything that associates to sex. What does that mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I have no idea what the fuck Oscar B. Savage on him is saying. A life without anything that associates to sex. That means that you're never gonna have sex. You're never gonna get head or anything like that. Or a life without you. I guess I would take a life without anything that associates to sex, and I'll tell you why.

[Chris]

But then you don't have sex at all. But they're at least. But there's still women.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Cause here's the thing, Oscar, be savage on. I wouldn't miss the sex. Cause I wouldn't even know what sex is. A life without anything that associates the sex. I don't even know what sex is, so I don't even know what I'm missing. So give me my women. Give me the women. You know, just to sit around, kick it, have conversation with, laugh, joke. That's my life now.

[Chris]

So no sex, but there's women and. Or what's the other one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No women or life without women. No women.

[Chris]

So there's still no sex.

[Alex]

What women are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, if there's no women, it's just a bunch of guys sitting around the earth. Don't even last much longer because we all going to die because we can't procreate and we don't know what sex is.

[Chris]

No, no, you can't procreate.

[Alex]

And you know what sex is?

[Chris]

You can't procreate. Everybody else can.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no women.

[Chris]

No. You got to be something, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You really trying to be progressive, bro. What are you saying? What are you saying, bro? What the fuck are you trying to tell us right now? What the. You mean we can't procreate, but you can when it's just a bunch of men here?

[Chris]

I'm heaven sent, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the.

[Chris]

Yo, just let me be heaven sent, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What are you trying to say, man? If y' all could pick the color of nails for Alex Media, what color would you pick and why?

[Chris]

Scrotum.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I think a nice scrotum. Brown would be good.

[Chris]

Like a brown scrotum?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So they just disappear on into it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, more like a scrotum. Like a scrotum. Biracial brown.

[Chris]

Ooh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I like.

[Chris]

So, like a light skin, like J. Cole nuts color.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's a good one for you. You don't think so?

[Chris]

We were talking about fighting, imagining it,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

so I'm just saying the color of Jake Hole. Because that's almost like a nude.

[Chris]

A nude.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? That would be good for you.

[Alex]

Why are you thinking about J. Cole's nuts right now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wasn't. You just.

[Chris]

You just did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did that.

[Alex]

You did.

[Chris]

Should we be able to. Go, go, go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Chris]

Taps. Should we be able to tip TSA agents?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, 100%.

[Taylor]

Why are you saying no 100%, especially

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right now, being that they're not getting paid.

[Chris]

That's gotta be illegal.

[Alex]

And then you want to get a

[Chris]

bomb on this shit, you typically say agent.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, man, he's saying that because the TSA agents aren't getting paid, obviously, but you're not allowed to give them any tips. But the reality is they are working for free right now. Yes, but, yeah, y' all ain't even. Y' all going through the airport, not even telling them thank you and like that.

[Chris]

No, that's not true. We. We always say thank you. But it's a tricky one, because the fear is that then it becomes like the club. Like, you get to cut the line if you slide them a hundred dollars,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but you still can't because you still got to put your bag through security and X ray and all of that like that.

[Alex]

If you tip them enough, you don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think that they're the only people that see what's in that X ray bag? Bag?

[Alex]

What you mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think that the person sitting there is the only person that sees us in that X ray bag? I guarantee you, at the end of the night, everybody's reviewing certain types of tape, and they're like, how the. You got that through? How the fuck you got that through?

[Chris]

Yo, here's a question. Has there been, like, a terror attack since.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Since what?

[Chris]

Since 9, 11? Like, on a flight?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not in America.

[Chris]

They might need a big raise. Like. Like, have they not been killing it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But they stepped it up, Remember the. The. I'm saying, but security wasn't as strict as it was before.

[Chris]

No, I know, but, like, they've been doing the job. Like, what are we doing right now? Pay these?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, nothing. Through that. You can't even get a bottle of water. That's over respect.

[Chris]

So, like, maybe they need a. A little upgrade. So maybe it's not Tips, but whatever. That government money that's coming through, like, they've done the job. We asked them to do the job, they did it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not better than. You know how the X ray machine is good? You know how you know the X

[Chris]

ray machine is good, Taylor?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's when you go to the X

[Chris]

ray, no more money. I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like get a thing.

[Chris]

I was able to slip us all safe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't even think when you fly.

[Chris]

They can't make any more money, Taylor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I went there, I went through this weekend. They pulled my bag because I had some lotion in my bag, but the lotion, the bottle is oversized, but I had damn near used all of it. So they were just like, oh, it's almost empty anyway, and just gave it back. So not only do they. They don't just look at the bot.

[Chris]

The bottle, they're looking how much is in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. Like, TSA does a phenomenal job. I saw my guy at Cuts and slices pieces Pizza and what's the. What's the. What's the chef name? Darren. The chef they gave. They sent a bunch of cuts and slices pieces to LaGuardia Airport.

[Alex]

Word.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. For the TSA agents. I want to do something like that.

[Chris]

That's fire. We should do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's fire.

[Chris]

We should do a little something for them when they get back to work and just let them know how good they're at work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They're just not getting paid.

[Chris]

Well, why are there these crazy lines? They can't be all back at work

[Alex]

if these lines are a lot of people calling out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, they got to it, they got to go make injuries.

[Alex]

They either quit or calling out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They got to make ends meet. What else we got, Taylor? What else we got? Let's do one more.

[Taylor]

Doing nothing. They just watching the other TSA people

[Chris]

cuz they don't know how to tsa.

[Taylor]

But why are they even there?

[Chris]

That's why they're there.

[Taylor]

Like, it's no point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, bro, I'm going be honest with you. I got another theory that those ain't even really the real life agents. Those are not the ones that was on the street with the mask and all of that. Like that.

[Chris]

Why? Who are they?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the one they not wearing mask at the airport.

[Chris]

Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you can just look at them and tell. Like, this is like a temp job. Like, this is like, they just signed these people up. Yeah, they don't look like they don't. Like, I'm like, these can't be the motherfuckers that was in the street jumping out of trucks and slamming people to the ground with the guns and all of that. Like, this shit don't look right. Like it looks like. This ain't the real ice. This ain't the real ice, bro. I really want to talk to one of them and be like, how long you been on the job? Yo, is you in Minnesota?

[Taylor]

You can talk to them, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Was you in California? Like, where was you before that? Because ask them. Just look. If you look at them, they do not look like.

[Alex]

Yeah, they look great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The ICE agents that were on. And by the way, the ICE agents that were on the street had mask on, but they don't even move the same. Sweet. It's kind of weird, bro.

[Taylor]

Wait, hold on. I have a video of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Video of what? You were just talking about what, the ICE agents?

[Taylor]

Yeah, because if someone made a video, like, making fun of them, because they're just chilling, hanging around.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, that one, the one that had the person on the ground, that He's a veteran, like, that's Minnesota. That one right there. Now, he the one that had the woman on. Now, see those. But they got masks on. So those are. Those are the og.

[Chris]

I said, now this AI, bro. This. That's AI.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's AI. Yeah.

[Taylor]

No, but there's one. There is a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do you know that's AI? Tell me so I don't get got.

[Chris]

Please watch. Just watch it.

[Taylor]

Look how. How the video is.

[Chris]

Look at. Look at how she moves. And then look at his hand to go grab her again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Watch. And by the way, nobody reacts. Well, they do a little bit.

[Chris]

Barely.

[Taylor]

Barely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, that's the bullshit.

[Alex]

Who's that guy bending?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, now, look at. Look at this. These guys, these guys, they not wearing masks. They just chilling, having a good old time. Look at them. That is not the ice that has been raising hell all year. Now, he might be.

[Chris]

He's out there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's that Capitol Riot White. He might be there. He might be. He might be. Come on, let's do some more. Get up out of here. Taylor Gang.

[Andrew Schultz]

Gang.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor Gang. Taylor Gang. Scroll up. Let's see what do we got? Let's do. Scroll up. Ooh, that's a good one. That's Oscar. Oscar got him here. Right here. What is more effective? Okay, this is a good one to end on. What is more effective? Learning through failure are from other people's mistakes. Mistakes.

[Chris]

It's. It's smart. People learn from the mistakes of others or whatever that saying, smart People learn

[Charlamagne Tha God]

from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

[Chris]

Yes, but learning through your own failures, there's a immediate, there's immediate reaction to it. Watching other people fail, it's easier to ignore and be like, that wouldn't happen, happen to me. So I think it like there's more motivation when the happens to you 100. Because you got to figure it out. You don't got to figure it out when someone else is feeling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I definitely think you learn through, you learn more through failure. Like, yeah, smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. I think both of them are very effective.

[Chris]

Valuable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, very. Oh, that's, oh, that's even better. Both of them are very valuable. But learning through failure, your own failure, I think is more effective. I'll tell you what else is also more effective. When you see something, to Choach's point, when you see somebody do something, see that it's a mistake, but think it won't happen to you. And then your dumb ass goes and does the same thing and makes the same mistake. That will teach you two lessons. You're gonna learn from the failure on your own. And you're also gonna be like, okay, next time I'm gonna learn from the mistakes of other people. Right. You know, so I think learning through failure is definitely more effective. But then also, I don't feel like I've ever failed.

[Taylor]

I was gonna say, what's failure to you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't feel like I've ever failed because going back to what we were discussing earlier, earlier, every single so called bad thing that happened in my life led to some type of greater good. Every single. Like there's not one single time I can think about. Every single time I got fired from radio, I ended up with a better job in radio. If you just stop, we're wrapping everything up. What did I say about the rap battles? You take an L in a rap battle. Just keep going, keep it moving. We're putting everything in a bowl right now. Yes. That's what life is about. You gotta keep going even when you so called fake. Because what did you learn from the failure? I guarantee you learned something that's going to help you on your next level.

[Chris]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when I look at every single so called failure in my life, every single one, professionally and personally, they all put me in a better position.

[Chris]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I truly believe that you don't feel like. Think about the times you bombed on stage.

[Chris]

Oh, of course, 100%. Yeah. It's immediate motivation. It's like, I gotta get better at this. I gotta change something. If you're not failing, you're really not changing or trying. Or trying. Like, why would you low key when

[Charlamagne Tha God]

people tell me shit like a comedian's like, I never bomb.

[Chris]

Get out of here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ain't doing it enough. Then.

[Chris]

Not taking enough risk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not taking enough risk. I never bomb. Please, man. Come on, man. What's your next big show? I'm gonna show y' all something. What's your next big show? So I can buy them, Honey ticket. I'mma buy the first two rolls, okay? I'mma buy the first two rolls and fill them with plants, baby. Okay? Cuz Alex needs to know how it feels, okay? Cause all it takes is the.

[Chris]

Then it's not fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It don't.

[Chris]

Then it's not a real bone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talking about, who cares? In this Internet, turn camera. Turn your camera sideways, okay? But if you're in the building at Andrew's next big show and Alex is going on that stage, stage, turn your camera sideways. When you see the first hunt, when you see 100 people in the first two rows booing Alex before he says a word, just know there was Charlemagne, the God. And the code word is, keep digging your grave, nigga. Keep digging your graveset, right? This is heaven sent, right? There's heaven sent. What is heaven? Would that not bring joy? You telling me that wouldn't bring joy?

[Chris]

And the podcast, we sacrifices Alex little

[Charlamagne Tha God]

ego for some joy. Y' all don't like joy? As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. And you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Thank you for listening.

[Chris]

Peace.