Holy Tres

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots Podcast
Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz
Episode: Holy Tres
Date: August 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Brilliant Idiots is a fan-driven Q&A special: “Ask An Idiot.” With Andrew Schulz dialling in from Australia (prepping for Street Fighter), Charlamagne and long-time collaborator Chris tackle an overflowing mailbox of listener questions. Themes range from parenting and relationships to building a media career, the evolution of faith, viral media culture, sports debates, and social commentary—delivered in the show’s trademark blend of humor, candidness, and cultural critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting & Fatherhood

• Advice to Girl Dads (02:25–07:58):

  • Both hosts, as fathers to daughters, reflect on advice relevant to parenting, emphasizing love, grace, and putting oneself in the child’s shoes.
    • Charlamagne: “Just love your child, man... Give your child grace. Understand that they're just children and that's it.” (03:07)
    • Chris: “Just try to teach your son to look at girls or young women as people first.” (04:00)
  • They joke about the complexity of advising on sons, given their lack of personal experience.
  • The show discusses openness in talking about “uncomfortable” topics with kids—e.g., sex, drugs, birth control.

• Letting Go as Parents:

  • Charlamagne recounts his mother’s perspective on relaxing as a parent, learning to trust and let children make their way:
    • “You just got to let go. You just gonna scratch yourself out. ... You got to really remember that Serenity Prayer...” (07:33)

• Carving Space as a Parent/Partner (08:17–11:48):

  • There’s debate about whether dads ever really get “space.” Andrew claims you need a hobby that looks legit (“Pick up a sport ...your wife can't really be upset”). Charlamagne insists, “there is no space.”
    • The concept of self-care is explored—workouts, date nights, and the podcast itself.

2. Career, Hustle, and Finding Traction

• Getting ‘Traction’ in Your Career (11:39–22:49):
  • Begins with a trademark raunchy joke, then pivots to real career talk.
    • Andrew: “You… gotta be a self-starter. ... Now, you really gotta build it yourself.” (13:05)
    • Charlamagne: “There’s a million—about 100 podcasters that are hotter than radio personalities, right? ... There’s nobody in the way.” (15:15)
  • Discussion on “gatekeepers” in media being obsolete in the internet era.
  • The importance of perseverance, patience, and not comparing your journey to others is emphasized.
    • Chris: “I didn’t feel my first traction till 36.” (22:42)
    • Andrew: “Work every day, your life to be an overnight sensation.” (21:17)

3. Advice & Life Lessons

• Best Advice Ever Received (26:53–32:56):

  • Andrew credits his dad for teaching the power of saying sorry.
  • Charlemagne credits his mother for inspiring curiosity (“read things that don’t pertain to me”) and his father for the harsh reality check about lifestyle and consequences:
    • “If you want to see how other people are going to eventually treat you, watch how they treat others.” (27:34)
    • “If I don’t change my lifestyle, I’m end up in jail, dead, or broke sitting under the tree…” (27:47)

• Charlamagne’s Early Hustle:

  • He details his path from warehouse jobs, to telemarketing, to getting his start on radio—all foundational to his career resilience.

4. Faith, Religion, and Spirituality

• Evolving Beliefs (33:11–44:42):
  • Listeners ask about changing views on religion through the 20s and 30s.
    • Andrew shares his increased openness to faith and its role in society: “You almost like, hope there’s something else out there...” (33:29)
    • Charlemagne expresses spiritual rather than strictly religious belief, questioning religious contradictions.
    • Chris, Jewish, relates a sense of exclusion from Christian American culture.
  • Comedic, irreverent debates spring up around Jesus, the Trinity, and “blind faith:”
    • “The Holy Trinity is Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. This sounds like a trans discussion.” – Charlamagne (38:10)
  • They muse on finding the presence of God in sex, music, and the miraculousness of existence.

5. Viral Media, Platforms, and the Marketplace of Attention

• On Building a Platform (12:32–22:45):

  • The podcasting and online world is democratized: “If you're sitting around and you're like, okay, that person's in the way, you not moving the way you should be moving...” – Charlemagne (15:31)
  • New platforms like TikTok and short-form media are described as necessary to build an audience early.

• Nuance vs. Viral Clicks (53:08–65:02):

  • They discuss the entertainment-infused nature of viral political shows ("20 versus 1"):
    • Andrew: “Nuance doesn’t get clicks. ... You want two reasonable positions...I want to learn both sides.” (57:01)
    • Charlamagne: “We get too caught up in slogans, and we end up arguing about things, and nothing ever gets solved.” (63:44)

6. Relationships & Double Standards

• First Jobs & Sexual Double Standards (87:23–90:18):
  • Andrew’s first jobs as a delivery boy come with nostalgic, inappropriate stories—prompting reflection on male/female double standards around early sexual experiences.

7. Current Events & Sports Debates

• Shannon Sharpe/ESPN and Athletes’ Legacies (67:10–86:28):
  • Is ESPN still relevant for culture-shifting sports personalities? They debate the intersection of sports, pop culture, and the security of a broadcast “check.”
    • Charlamagne: “$6.5 million a year is a lot of money to lose for a 19-year-old OnlyFans girl, bro.” (67:34)
  • NFL ranking debates: Cam Newton, Jalen Hurts, and whether championships should define athlete greatness. They list all-time greats with and without rings.
    • Charlamagne: “You can’t use the ring debate, bro.” (81:23)
  • The cultural importance of athletes’ off-field personas and fashion (Cam Newton, Andre 3000, etc.).

8. Social Commentary: Policing, Slogans, and Public Policy

• Defund the Police / Refund Social Services (59:44–65:02):
  • They explore the pitfalls of political slogans and the necessity for nuanced solutions:
    • Charlamagne: “Don’t even focus on defund the police... refund social services.” (63:44)
    • “Police need mental health resources, and I think police need more pay.” (64:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlamagne on Parenting:
  “Give your child grace. Understand that they’re just children.” (03:07)
• Chris on Openness:
  “Everything, as far as I can tell, is 100% out in the open, discussed. Even like boy stuff. Sex, drugs, rock and roll, everything.” (06:01)
• Andrew on Modern Media:
  “You relentlessly build it yourself. And you gotta use probably short-form media in the beginning...” (13:22)
• Charlamagne on Media Gatekeepers:
  “There’s nobody in the way... when you build up your own audience... these people that you were chasing or you thought was in the way, they come after you.” (17:46)
• Chris on Late-Blooming Success:
  “I didn’t feel my first traction till 36.” (22:44)
• On Faith:
  – Charlamagne, irreverently: “The Holy Trinity... sounds like a trans discussion.” (38:10) – Andrew: “I think as you get older and reflect on the absurdity of your life, you hope there’s something else out there.” (33:50)
• On Slogans and Nuance in Politics:
  “You get too caught up in slogans, and we end up arguing about things, and nothing ever gets solved.” – Charlamagne (63:44)
• On Athlete Greatness & Rings:
  “You can't use the ring debate, bro.” – Charlamagne (81:23)
• Andrew, on Cam Newton’s fashion:
  “If you see Cam, it works for him. That shit works for Cam.” (80:44)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:25] Parenting advice for girl dads / raising children
• [08:17] Carving out space as a parent and partner
• [12:32] Building media careers & "gatekeepers"
• [22:44] Persevering in creative/entertainment industries—late success
• [26:53] Best advice ever received
• [33:11] Evolution of faith & views on religion
• [53:08] Viral media culture & the “20 vs 1” debate
• [59:44] Slogans vs. nuanced debate ("Defund the Police"/Public Safety)
• [67:10] Shannon Sharpe, ESPN, cultural relevance in sports media
• [75:09] Cam Newton, Jalen Hurts—debate over NFL greats and "ring" culture
• [87:23] First jobs & stories about early work experience / double standards

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode is a classic Idiots blend of real talk and raunch, wisdom and wildness. Charlamagne and Andrew, with Chris chiming from his unique perspective, offer unfiltered truths sprinkled with self-aware humor, raw honesty, and a genuine interest in tackling big questions without pretending to have all the answers. The insights on parenting, success, faith, and the new rules of media resonate especially for listeners navigating similar crossroads. The tone is irreverent, heartfelt, and always, always hilarious.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

We looking luscious right now.

[A]

Yeah. So we just wanted to you Know, put some things in the can for y' all. And you know, y' all send so much asking idiots that we don't never get through in an episode. So why not devote a whole episode to asking idiots? Y' all seemed to enjoy that last week when we did it, so let's do it now. X, O, C, I, N, Y, B says, as girls, as girl dads, what's the best advice you could give Taylor about raising a son? What kind of, what kind of question is that?

[B]

What would we know?

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

What would we know?

[A]

We're girl dads. What advice would we have? I can't give Taylor no advice on raising a son. I don't have one. I've never raised one. I thought he was about to ask. What advice could you give Taylor about just raising a child?

[B]

Yeah, but you want us to tell her how to raise a son.

[A]

I give her the same advice I give everybody, man, just love your child, man. Which you're already going to do naturally. Just, just, just love your child. You know, give your child grace. Understand that they're just children and that's it. I think that's actually the biggest problem we do with kids. We approach kids from an adult perspective, not remembering their wild young and haven't lived the life we've lived. Don't have the information we have, don't have the education we have. Like, sometimes you ever look at the 3 year old and be like, what's wrong with you? You don't know no better?

[B]

And she's like, no, I don't actually, I just got here.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Can I have some grace, please?

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

I think you could tell as a girl dad, if for someone raising a son, just try to teach your son to look at these girls or young women as people first. Right? Because we all know how it was as guys. You see a girl, oh, you know, she looks like this, she looks like that. There are people. And you're acutely aware of that when.

[B]

You'Re, when you're a girl dad. That's 100%.

[C]

You know, you're like, there's a lot going on here outside of like, for.

[B]

Example, you see a group of girls, right? They're playing basketball or whatever like that. Don't throw a dildo.

[A]

Don't do that unless it's funny. And this is, you know, saying, unless it's the WNBA game, if it's just a regular pickup game, don't bother them. That's corny. But if it's a televised WNBA game, that's hilarious. That is hilarious. But you have to be willing, son, to know you're not getting the credit for it, because getting the credit for it is going to get you in trouble. But if you're just wanting to make the world laugh anonymously, let the dildo fly on the WNBA court. You're right, Chris. That was great advice. Great advice, Chris.

[B]

You're a good girl, dad. Man.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

You would be a good boy dad too.

[A]

By the way, this podcast has matured a lot.

[B]

We have.

[A]

Because back in the day, Chris would have said something like that and somebody would just screamed out gay.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Said that to you.

[A]

I thought it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I agree with you as well.

[C]

You guys are in the same boat whether you say it or not.

[A]

I am, man. I'm. I. The boat I'm in, I just don't. I don't even know if it's a boat. It's just a big yacht with a bunch of.

[C]

My boat's taking on water. It's got holes.

[A]

No, it don't have no holes in it. Chris, cut it out. Why do you say it has holes?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And raising two teenage girls is a.

[A]

Lot, but it's not holes in the boat. You're doing a fantastic job sailing.

[C]

I'm paddling. I'm doing all that for you.

[A]

You are the one.

[C]

It's great. But I've. I've gone through some things. Where.

[A]

You got one? Going to college, bro.

[B]

What? Yeah. Have you talked to your daughter about those things? Is it uncomfortable for you to talk?

[A]

No.

[C]

I would say the one biggest difference between me and my parents relationship and my relationship with my daughters is everything as far as I can tell, is 100% out in the open. Discussed.

[B]

Even like boy stuff.

[C]

Sex, drugs, rock and roll, everything.

[B]

What about birth control?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

And when is that conversation. When do you have that conversation that like, you should be on birth control?

[C]

I mean, I don't want to put my daughter's business out there, but like hypothetically, I mean, a kid in New York City.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Like there are having it early, right?

[A]

What I would say, yo, take that shit to your mom. I hear none of that.

[B]

Yeah, I know Charlotte. I don't want to have any of those convers.

[A]

My comp. They take that.

[C]

Did I say New York City? I meant the suburbs of New Jersey too, man.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Those girls coming into the city too.

[A]

I want to hear that. I'm with you though, Chris. I think that the illest thing that I've learned how to do as a father. And I just did this in recent, you know, months, actually. Just. Bro, you just got to let go. You just got to let go. You just going to scratch yourself out. You're just going to cause your cortisol levels to go through the roof. You got to let these kids, you know, you know, live the same life that you did. My mom said some ill to me one time, man, that it was a while ago that she don't even remember. She don't even know that I remember this, but we were home in South Carolina. This was a while ago. And I don't even remember which one of my child children it was, but they were, like, going with my mom and someplace, my mom and my sister somewhere. I'm like, yo, where are y' all going? I mean, I'm scratching. I'm like, where are y' all going? Who's going to be over there? Blah, blah, blah. My mom was like, relax. She gonna be with the same people that, you know, you was with when you was a kid.

[B]

You're like that.

[A]

But in her mind, she's talking about her, my older sister. So I'm cool with that. In my mind, I'm like, we don't want that. No, that's not what I want. But I get what she was saying. Overall. Overall, she was saying, like, she's gonna be. They're gonna be fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? And that's just what you gotta do. You just gotta realize that there's nothing you can control out here. You gotta really remember that Serenity prayer. God, grant me the serenity. Accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. There is nothing we can do except love our kids, be there for them when we need us, give them advice when they ask for it, and let the chips fall within me.

[B]

Oof. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Terrifying.

[A]

I know. But what else we gonna do? Ooh. Kiwando 36. Oh, y' all got a lot of relationship. The marriage. Father questions, how do you create space for yourself while being a present father and husband?

[B]

Pick up a. Pick up a sport, man, that you can say is exercise. So your wife can't really be upset that you're doing it all the time.

[A]

Kiwando, 36. I hate to tell you, man, there is no space. I don't give a fuck. You don't create space. When you're a father and a husband, all your spaces will be invaded. Okay? There's no such Thing. As soon as you go and think you got a peaceful spot, somebody's coming. There's no such thing. Vacations isn't. No, it's all about kids. The moment you become a father, the moment you become a husband, it is all about your family. Now, you can find ways to give your wife space, but even that only lasts. But for so long, she could go off and do her thing for a quick second. We don't really get that because even as men, when we think we're doing something for ourself, we're not. We're constantly sitting around thinking, okay, what's the next play I need to make to make sure that my family's good forever?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Constantly, like, oh, my God, let me make sure I'm working out, you know, keeping my health up. So I'm here for my kids. You know, let me make sure I'm going to therapy. So I am, you know, emotionally and mentally where I need to be for my family. Like, there's no such thing as creating space for yourself when you become a father and husband. If there is, please somebody tell me, is there? Chris? Nah.

[C]

No, I mean, I think, you know, I guess people have man caves, but they coming.

[A]

They're coming downstairs.

[B]

No, you gotta do it outside the house. Like, you gotta do it.

[C]

I mean, look, I went to LA the last couple days, but you went for work. Well, but maybe I couldn't knock on. But maybe I was also, like, wouldn't be bad just to get out for a couple days and do some work.

[B]

No, like, there is a version of this. Like, it's important for both parents, which is, like, you gotta feel your. You gotta. Was it put your oxygen mask on first or whatever. That's right. Take care of the kids. You gotta. If you have no battery, right, you're gonna be a worse parent. You're gonna be a worse partner. So you have to at least fill yourself up a little bit. Keep in mind, you're gonna have no time to do anything, right? But in the little time that you do have, you got to find a way to fill that cup up quickly. So if that means, like, going on date nights, like my wife and I have a date night, try to make sure we're religious about that.

[C]

That's smart.

[B]

And half of the time we're just planning stuff for our kid anyway over dinner. It's. You know what I mean? It's just logistics. You're just constantly doing logistics. But at least you get a little time to fill each other's cup up and Then I'll be honest. Like. Like working out, like, for me is playing paddle for other people. Might be hitting the gym is hooping or whatever. But just having that thing that is your time that you can be stress free during, I think is.

[C]

And don't beat yourself up over it.

[A]

No.

[B]

As far as for me, is radio.

[C]

A truly present parent?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're bullshitting. Then beat yourself up over it. But if you're truly present, it's hard.

[B]

To not feel guilty even if you're truly present.

[A]

You know, I'm not gonna lie to. Podcasting is part of that space.

[B]

Oh, of course.

[A]

This is a man cave, bro. It just so happens we record this shit and give it to millions of people to listen to it. But I loved. I loved it to come in here and just kick it for a couple of hours.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

You know, it's amazing like, just to get this shit off. This shit feel good, bro.

[B]

It's the best. You know, we're lucky we get to do this shit for a while. So.

[A]

Yeah. Start a podcast. Kiwando 36.

[B]

Yeah. Make sure you can make money at your hobbies. And then your wife kind of has to support it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, that's the key.

[A]

Speaking of that, Ajarad38 says, what advice would you give to people who are trying to get after it but they don't feel traction? Stop fucking whores, bro. You need something with a little more grip.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Try to get after it and you know you don't feel no traction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That vagina too big. Like, find something that's got a little bit more tighter grip, man. You know what I mean?

[B]

I agree. I think that's a. Like a nun.

[A]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's what you need, bro. Like, that's the problem. I don't know who you sleeping with Ajara at 38, but bro.

[B]

Or maybe.

[A]

But if you don't feel no attraction. Ooh.

[B]

Yeah. Try butt.

[A]

Word. Whatever city you in. The butts might be tighter than the vaginas.

[B]

That's a fact.

[A]

Unless it's Atlanta. Other than that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Pretty much any place you go, you know, the butts are tighter. That's what I would tell you and Gerard 38.

[B]

It's a tricky time now for people, though, in terms of getting traction in their career because.

[A]

Oh, that's what he's talking about.

[B]

Yeah, I think maybe. Oh, yeah. But like, sorry for Gerard us trying to make it more interesting. But the. It's like there's not the typical steps there. Used to Be, it's really, you got to be a self starter. Like, if you're not the type of person that's willing to, like, figure it out and work yourself to figure it out, you almost got no chance now, like back in the day, you could, like be part of a system and then get picked up by a network. Like in Charlotte did these MTV shows, and then there was Comedy Central and then hbo, and you get reuse of the different shows and other opportunities. But now you really got to build it yourself. And then maybe you'll get an opportunity to do like a movie. And even the movie business is downsizing. Like, the way you get traction is you relentlessly build it yourself. And you gotta use probably short form media in the beginning to build it.

[A]

I was watching, you know, a podcast. I enjoy watching Bag Fuel Salute to Esso and Heineken. They should have been on that complex list, by the way. But I was watching Bag Fuel and Mouse Jones was on there. My guy Mouse.

[B]

Shout out Mouse.

[A]

Salute the nephew Mouse. You know, that's family right there. I meant to call Mouse about this, but I saw them having a conversation about, you know, radio, New York City radio. And you know, you know, you've heard Mouse say this a million times. Miles is like, yo, these people gotta get out the way. These people are old. They've been there forever. They in the way. Blah, blah, blah. The younger generation, which would be you. Yeah. I don't necessarily agree with everything that y' all say in your outlook. What is your outlook? So we gotta have it on. Two debates on two sides. There is a part that, specifically the media personalities and my peers, that's of my generation, of my class. So that would be the me, the Scottie Beams, the Jameer Ponds, the Dometi Pongos. So many, so many. If I'm forgetting anybody name, y' all know I really love y' all and I don't hate y'. All. But it's a lot of us from that elk where it's like Mia Bell, who's on New York somewhere. Like, there's a lot of Nyla Simone. There's a lot of people that should probably be in different positions and probably be a little further ahead, but we competing against people that's been working since the day you turned the radio on and what's wrong. And in any other job, any other place, you would, yo, bro, y' all been telling LeBron to retire for three seasons. I've been telling rappers to retire, but they don't. So why you don't have the same energy. I think the radio personality got way more. And it just made me think, none of that rhetoric works anymore. None of that in the way rhetoric works anymore. And the reason it doesn't work is because there's too many other outlets and avenues for you to get hot, build your brand up, build your voice out there. I mean, there's, there's a million, there's about, there's literally, I'm not even exaggerating, there's at least 100 podcasters that are hotter than radio personalities, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what did they do? All they did was start their podcast wherever they were and grew an audience. Right? Same thing with the YouTubers and the streamers. Like, there's nobody in the way. Like if you're sitting around and you're like, okay, that person's in the way, you not moving the way you should be moving. You know what I mean? Because you could easily build something that is bigger and better than what this person that's in the way is saying. And even when you're talking about the people that's in the way, them people ain't even relevant no more.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I mean, it's like to Andrew's point, there used to be a system, right? If you did this, then you graduated.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

If you did that, you graduated next level. That's right. And there was comfort and security in that. The downside of that is there were gatekeepers and it was real. You had to be able to get into this institution or know this person that is gone completely. Like, think about this room right now. We would technically be the gatekeepers, right? Personally, I can't control a gate.

[A]

There's no gate.

[C]

Even if I wanted to, I don't think it's in any of our personalities to try to do that. But even if you wanted to, you couldn't do it.

[A]

By the way, Andrew, you've done it both ways. When the industry was fronting on you with comedy, what'd you do? All right, I'm gonna hit this stage and I'm gonna take these stand up clips and I'm gonna put em online, you know what I mean? And I'm gonna build my career from that. Now, I don't know if you thought that it would turn into you sitting up here getting a weave in your head and be on in Street Fighter, but even that is hilarious, right? Cause I remember not just the, it started with you not getting roles in Hollywood and so you said like, you know what, I'm just gonna stick to my bread. And butter, which is this standup. And I'm gonna take this stand up, start presenting it on. Presenting to people on YouTube. You take off now, they come knocking at your door. Of course it's the same thing. You think every fucking media from TV to radio to whoever hasn't reached out to Kaiser not to do something.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? You think that when it comes to these podcasters, you think that all of these different platforms haven't reached out to them to do something. When you build up your own audience and build up your own platform, these people that you were chasing or you thought was in the way, they come after you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So there's no such thing, especially in media, as somebody being in the way.

[B]

Yeah, there's no more in the way.

[A]

No, but you're the only.

[B]

Yeah, there's no more in the way. But at the same time, I do empathize with a lot of people who are like, it feels like a crapshoot. They're like, I just gotta hope I get viral on TikTok. Like YouTube isn't what it used to be, in that YouTube is now like old media in that you need a real following. Like YouTube views used to be easy to get. Now is hard. You can't just throw your podcast up on YouTube and then it gets views. You could throw a clip up on Tik Tok and it might go viral and get 50 million people watch it. But that's pure luck. But TikTok is that like discovery app. And then Instagram is like, you actually have a following and you can build a community. And then YouTube is like, when you're established, that's where you put your show.

[A]

Yeah. And I wonder how much people, how much success would you think you have if you weren't comparing yourself to other people's success? Because that's another thing too, right? Because you know, you can say somebody's in the way, but if you're actually having some form of success somewhere else, if you just compare it to where you were a year ago or where you were two years ago, as opposed to comparing it to this person's whole career, maybe you would just be more satisfied.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

And happy with, you know where you are. And these aren't, these aren't any shots at mouse. Mouse, my guy, 100.

[B]

I love mouse.

[A]

I'm just talking about the mouse.

[C]

Mouse has done what we're describing. Mouse has built a lot of stuff up from the ground.

[B]

Yeah, he's a self starter. I'm not worried About Mouse.

[A]

That's what, that's what was interesting. I'm like, and I meant to call him about this, but that's why I didn't understand that in the way.

[B]

I also think there's a tricky thing with like older models of media, like for example, radio. I don't know if there's going to be a new 20 year old radio host anymore. Matter of fact, I think like radio relies on the legacy talent because the audience that is still listening to radio has probably listened to them for 10 years.

[A]

It could be. But the problem is, the problem with a lot of I wouldn't do this, but the problem with a lot of these older radio programmers, they have a way of wanting to do things. So they're going to go, look at this 20 year old kid who got this audience, bring him on the radio and try to make him a radio personality. Instead of leaning into what this guy does. You know what I mean? Let this person do what it is that they do. You shut the fuck up and get out the way. Because if you knew what you was doing then you would have created this motherfucker. Okay? You didn't. By the way. They don't even do a good job of that. When it comes to radio personalities, nobody predicts the Howard Stern, nobody predicts Charlemagne, nobody predicts a Bobby Bones. You don't predict, you don't predict the Elvis Duran. It's just you put certain people on the radio. And by the way, this ain't even just for radio. This is for any field.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't know what's going to make a person take off. You don't know who's going to become who. So that's the other thing you should think about too. Can't say somebody's in the way. Because when you got a person and tax stone is coming to mind, right. When you have somebody, remember taxed on 10 years ago, we heard him, thought he sounded great, gave him an opportunity, he took off. You can't predict who people fuck with. You can't predict that somebody would be fucking with Gillian Wallow for the past almost, you know, eight, nine years. Same thing with drink champs. Who would have thought Nori drink champs for over the last decade would be one of the premier media platforms. The Kaiser nets of the world, the eye show speech. When people fuck with you, they fuck with you. You can't predict why people fuck with certain individuals.

[B]

Just don't get bitter. Just don't get bitter. That's what I would say. It's like you never Know what's going to happen to you. Like, you work every day, your life to be an overnight sensation. And I think it's very easy, like Charlemagne was saying, when, you know, you're comparing yourself constantly comparisons of thief, of joy or whatever that saying is. So it's easy to get bitter and just be angry at the success of other people for their downfall, criticizing them, etc. It's like they're not in your way, they're not keeping you from doing what you need to do.

[A]

And that position can't make you.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You could take. You could take a person, you could have took somebody and put them in, you know, that breakfast club seat 15 years ago. They not going to be me because they not me.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't just take a person and say, I'm going to put you on this station from this time on, these days, and you going to blow up. No.

[C]

And also, don't put a clock on it, which I think is a mistake.

[B]

A lot of these kids, bro, that's the thing. I think a lot of people assumed it, even who've probably been watching this show, that there's like this overnight success. Like the amount of time that both of us toiled in absolute obscurity before getting some success is unfathomable. Like, yes, we had them. TV said nesty thing. You'll get little pops, you know, you're going to get a video of yours, a sketch you make that goes viral, or a show is going to do really well, etc. And then it might go back and down and then eventually you're going to hit something, hopefully on wood where, you know, you're out of here. So it's just years and years and years. Years.

[C]

Look, I mean, this guy talks about traction, right?

[A]

I didn't.

[C]

I didn't feel my first traction till 36.

[A]

God damn.

[C]

I mean, maybe that says something about me, but.

[A]

How much was it in. In Taiwan?

[C]

What?

[A]

Thailand? How much?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was that?

[C]

Put that in the notes. What was that like lady boys or Thailand?

[A]

Thailand, yes.

[C]

I go to Taiwan.

[A]

How tight was it?

[B]

You're telling me there's no lady boys in Taiwan?

[C]

There are no ladyboys in Taiwan. Could there be men who dress as women?

[B]

Yeah, that's a ladyboy.

[C]

They're not called ladyboys.

[B]

What do you guys call them?

[C]

I don't call them anything, but I'm sure they have a name. But the phenomenon of ladyboys is.

[A]

So you didn't feel no walls till you was 38, Chris.

[B]

36.

[C]

36.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

Ish. And what was it for me?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Writing. Do you. With Russell Simmons?

[A]

Chris didn't feel no tight pussy walls till 36. And he didn't feel him till he was writing. Do you Russell Simmons. Okay, Chris, that's what's up. How long did it take?

[C]

How long did what take?

[A]

For you to take off, man?

[B]

What's wrong? Damn, bro.

[A]

What's up with you?

[B]

Come on, Chris.

[A]

How did you know you was getting some motion?

[B]

Like, how did you feel it, Chris, Feeling that citrus?

[A]

What's wrong with you? How did you know? How did you know you had motion?

[C]

You can tell.

[B]

How could you tell? Like, what happened?

[A]

You selling this, like, Lyme disease, Chris, you really are. Come on, man. I. Would Hunter Biden describe it? Yeah.

[C]

I don't know, man. There's a different energy when you have a success under your belt, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was a big book, though.

[C]

Bestseller.

[A]

Yeah, that was a big book.

[C]

Number two.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

That was a big book.

[C]

People fuck with you. You can tell.

[A]

And that's when everything changed for you. That's when everybody was like, okay, who wrote this? We were. Got you, Got you. Gotcha. That makes all the sense in the world.

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[B]

Oh, the best advice someone ever gave me. Whoa. That's a great one. Holy. I've got a lot of good advice in my life. Best ever. Hard. Best ever. But like saying sorry. Yeah. My dad was like, yeah, just the importance of saying sorry, you know, just if you do something to somebody, you hurt somebody's feelings. You, even if you didn't intend to do it, you still do that thing like saying sorry. There's a lot of power in that. So I think that was huge for me.

[A]

I've had a lot. My mom telling me to read things that don't pertain to me. That kept that. That made me even more curious. I'm already a naturally curious person. That made me even more curious. If you want to see how other people are going to eventually, you want to see how other people are eventually going to treat you. Watch how they treat others. Yeah, that's a great piece of advice. And my dad telling me if I don't change my lifestyle, I'm end up in jail, dead or broke, sitting under the tree, you know.

[B]

Did you change your lifestyle then?

[A]

No.

[B]

When did you decide to change it?

[A]

When I Actually went to jail for the first time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And saw people around me actually getting prison sentences. And seeing people around me actually die. And seeing people who I used to look up to actually be broke sitting under the tree. I'm like, oh, Pops is right. Wait a minute.

[B]

Meaning like some guy who was like, selling drugs or whatever, and then you saw him just kind of like.

[A]

No, People that I used to look up to, like. Like, you know, people that I used to look up to because they were just cool, you know what I mean? But they didn't do anything with their life. And so they just, you know, ended up sitting in my corner, you know, doing nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's just like. And they broke sitting under the tree. Like, you can see it like, oh, and you're possibly like, that person used to do this. That person used to do that. That person had the opportunity to do this. Blah, blah, blah. And you're like, oh, this shit is real.

[B]

So then what do you do? Like, literally that day, do you say, I'm gonna change my life?

[A]

Yes, literally, I'm gonna change more. More importantly, I'm gonna change my lifestyle. So I always had the wherewithal to look and see what all of those individuals did or didn't do and do the opposite.

[B]

Okay, what was the first thing you changed?

[A]

Get a job. Go get a job. So I have something to do instead of just hanging out in the street amongst corner. Let me go find a job.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I ended up working at a warehouse in Monks Corner. It was called Industrial Acoustics company at the time. And then I started hanging out at the recording studio. Never saw the recording studio suit to my guys, Professor Robert Evans and DJ Bless. Then I started the telemarketing. Then I got the internship. Once I got the internship at the radio station, that changed everything.

[B]

It was over.

[A]

It was over because I, like, I had a place to actually spend a lot of my time, and it was revolving around something that I actually loved.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which was, what were you doing for.

[B]

Money at that time, though?

[A]

Working. I worked at telemarketing place I worked at.

[B]

So you would have a regular job and intern at the rate of.

[A]

Absolutely. I had like three jobs at one time. Like I said, I worked at a clothing store in the mall and I was doing telemarketing.

[B]

And then you'd go to the radio station from what hour to what hour?

[A]

Anytime, any free time I had, I was at the radio station. Literally when I wasn't working and I wasn't with my wife, while my girl didn't I was at the radio station.

[B]

And would they let you on air ever?

[A]

A couple of the guys did. Willie Will used to bring me on the air to talk. And that's how I ended up getting the opportunity to be on radio. Cause Willie Will used to bring me on and I remember the program director at the time, Terry Bass, said, yo, your energy goes up when Charlamagne is in the room. And then Ron White, when he was the music director, he was like, you just need to be on the radio. Have you ever thought about being on the radio?

[B]

And what'd you say?

[A]

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it. But if you gonna give me the opportunity to try it, you motherfucking right I'm gonna do it.

[B]

Okay. So he says you should be on the radio. You go, yeah. And then does he give you a slot? Do you become like a regular?

[A]

He took me on Sunday mornings from 10am to 3pm for a couple of weeks. But it was voice tracked. So what voice tracking is, is when you go in there and you just record your voice and you're recording the show, basically. So I did that for a few weeks, but I was scaring all the church folks. So then he put me on Saturday nights, seven to midnight, and I was voice tracked seven to ten. But then ten to midnight he'd let me go live.

[B]

So voice track means you pre record your thing and then they slot it in?

[A]

Yep, and then he let me go live 10 to midnight.

[B]

And then what happened when you went live the first time, it was a rush.

[A]

You felt it probably the same way you felt when you first got your first laugh on stage.

[B]

Why are people calling you?

[A]

People calling in.

[B]

And they're reacting to what you're saying.

[A]

That's right. They're reacting to what you saying. You know, you're talking and you know, the thing about radio is like, you gotta learn. You gotta learn the chops, you gotta learn how to actually be on air. Not as a personality, but just the mechanics of the board and all that stuff like that. But the personality part, nobody can teach you that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like nobody ever taught me. Nobody ever said this is how you're supposed to do radio. So I was just on there talking like me.

[B]

So did people like the next week come up to you and be like, yo, I actually listened to you this night. When did you first start to feel like public?

[A]

You felt it in the moment. Cause you gotta think, this is before social media. So people are actually listening to the radio and reacting in real time. And the only Way they can react is by calling the radio station.

[B]

So the line is hot.

[A]

Yes. And I used to take a lot of phone calls. So it's like I would say something, answer the phone, and the person on the phone would be laughing at what I just said. You know what I mean? So it's not like they can get on Twitter and tweet. They had to call in. And I was relying so heavily on the phones. I was opening the phones up immediately to people getting that immediate response. And then that turned into when the people would call, I would fuck with them and make jokes with them. And so it just took off. So I don't even know how the fuck we started talking about this. What the fuck we started talking about this for?

[B]

Best advice.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Best advice. So. Yes. Yeah. Change of the lifestyle. And when you change the lifestyle and you start to actually, you know, put yourself in positions to where you not doing the same dumb that you was doing, things just seem to open up for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what, that's what happened. So those. That's the best advice I got. What's the next one? What's that name that looks Asian? Chris. What is that?

[C]

Or Polish?

[A]

Can.

[B]

I trust?

[C]

Can I trust?

[A]

What you gonna do now? How did your views on spirituality and religion change through your 20s and 30s? I recall you being an atheist, Andrew.

[B]

I don't know if I was ever like an atheist, but my, my views on religion has definitely changed. Like, I wasn't ever religious growing up. I didn't like hate religion or anything, but I think I've become much more like open and understanding of the importance of it and the influence of it, even on non religious folks. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think that actually happens as you get older and kind of like reflect on the absurdity of your life. Yeah, you know, you're just like, God, how did all these things happen? How did I get these people in my life? How lucky was that, you know? So you almost like, hope there's something else out there, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I've always been spiritual. I've never. I was religious when I was young just because my mom was Jehovah Witness, grandmother was a Baptist. But I just always been spiritual. Like, I just always believed in a higher power. I just didn't believe that that one higher power would create all of these different religions, you know what I mean? You're Christian, you're Jewish, you're Muslim, but y' all all worship me. Yeah, that never made any. Any sense to me. And the Older I get too. I just be reading like a lot of these stories. A lot of these stories in the Bible don't even make sense, man. I told y' all this a million times. Adam and Eve were the first man and woman they had.

[B]

Cain and Abel and they got married.

[A]

To some other Cain, killed Abel and went off and found a wife where I thought it was only four people on the goddamn planet. You know, and the Jesus thing.

[B]

What do you mean, eh? Eh, eh, what do you mean, eh? You don't get the same thing.

[A]

I don't like the whole, you know, I died for your sins.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because if I was Jesus, I'd be looking down like, y' all really think I died for y' all to act like that? Y' all really think I died for y' all to act a goddamn fool the way y' all acting? Actually, they killed me. They dragged me to a cross, hung me up on it, and now y' all walk around wearing my most excruciating moments on this planet around your neck. Yeah, that's gotta be as if I wanted that to happen.

[B]

I think the idea was that you were, or we were always gonna be fuck ups. So he died for us in so we could go to heaven, but we were always going to be.

[A]

I would never let y' all in. There's no way that I'll watch y' all on this planet doing what y' all doing and then just invite y' all with open arms to heaven when it's all done.

[B]

But you don't know no better. That's what he's saying. It's like you can't help yourself.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about that then. You ain't gonna come in here acting like that. I'm giving you the opportunity to get right while you're there. Yeah, because you ain't coming up in here acting like that.

[B]

Well, that's what he's doing.

[A]

And we failing miserably.

[B]

Yeah, but if you follow him and you let him into your heart, then hopefully he'll be a guiding light to lead you to heaven.

[A]

If I was Jesus, I wouldn't want to be in none of our hearts. I know. You know how they say God knows your heart? Y know your heart. That's how I know I would never have died for somebody like you.

[B]

I'm getting to heaven, bro. I don't know about you, I'm, I.

[A]

I, I don't know.

[B]

Chris, Chris, you don't want to go to heaven.

[C]

It's very strange. It's not strange, but to grow up, my. To feel zero connection with Jesus in America is always like a strange thing.

[B]

You feel zero, zip. What about when something crazy happens? What do you say? Bagels?

[A]

Well, no. God and Jesus Christ.

[B]

Right?

[A]

God and Jesus.

[C]

Can you put a smear on that?

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, God and Jesus, the same entity, which I never understood.

[C]

Well, I don't feel the Holy Trinity. They're all like, specifically Jesus. I. I can remember going to my mother very young. I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood predominantly, and everything was Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I said, what? Who the Jesus?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And my mom was like, well, Jews believe that Jesus was a great man, but he was just a man.

[A]

So who was God? I created this great man, and y' all worship him, which made sense to me.

[C]

I was like, he was probably a really great guy.

[A]

And the poor Holy Ghost that his branding and marketing have been terrible.

[B]

Yeah. What's. Where he got to get some love, man. You got to give the Holy Ghost.

[C]

But the Holy Ghost is. Now we're really getting into these gymnastics of trying to make some shit. None of it makes sense.

[A]

None of it. That's my.

[B]

Now I wish I knew more to. There's nothing to know.

[C]

It doesn't make sense.

[A]

It's actually blind faith.

[B]

Well, this is what a Jew and a Muslim would say.

[A]

I'm not a Muslim, you know, but.

[B]

Us Christians understand the Holy Trinity and how all those things are.

[A]

Why aren't you a God then?

[B]

Say again?

[A]

Aren't you a God?

[B]

Don't. Are you trying to catch me?

[A]

No, I'm just simply saying, why is it Christian? Shouldn't it be about God?

[B]

Well, God is Jesus Christ.

[A]

No, he's. No, he's not. It's the Holy Trinity. Is God, Jesus Christ and the Holy.

[B]

Ghost, they're all one.

[A]

They clearly say Jesus is God's son.

[B]

They're all one. He also says he is the Lord. And I think incarnation is what makes him.

[A]

Once again, contradiction. The Bible says, don't worship anybody else besides me, God, because they're the same.

[B]

So the Holy Trinity is Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit.

[A]

This sound like a trans discussion. I'm not. It is, actually.

[C]

It's a good analogy.

[A]

It just sounds like, come on. This don't make y' all understand that, but don't understand trans.

[B]

Listen, like, seriously, God forgives you, bro.

[A]

I know he does.

[B]

No, I think that they can understand one trans just not got all these.

[A]

I believe in God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I believe in Jesus being God's messenger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know where the Holy Ghost comes into play because the only time they even talk about the Holy Ghost is when you're in church and somebody's doing the Harlem shake. So I just don't understand any of it to be totally.

[B]

I don't know enough about the Holy Spirit, man. I gotta.

[C]

Well, let me ask you.

[A]

This Holy Ghost.

[B]

Is it the Holy Ghost?

[C]

Ghost, yeah.

[A]

Can you.

[C]

I consider myself a spiritual person.

[A]

Me too.

[C]

I don't believe in God.

[B]

So what is the spirit?

[C]

I'm not sure. That's what I'm curious.

[B]

So maybe you do believe in God. It's just not this one entity.

[A]

Is it Buddha?

[C]

Not Buddha, no.

[B]

You just have like a Judeo Christian idea of God and you're like, say again?

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

Meaning?

[B]

Meaning that's what you think God is, therefore you don't believe in it. But if God could be omnipresent, If God.

[C]

I think there is some sort of.

[A]

Has to be force.

[C]

I just don't think it's. It's a God.

[B]

Or you just don't know if it's coming from a dude with a staff and a beard.

[C]

I know it's not.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not saying that. I never thought it had a staff and a beard, but I do feel like there's just a higher power, like, whatever you want to, you know.

[C]

Is there though?

[A]

Yeah. It has to be, like. Cause we can't explain none of this stuff. We can't explain. Nothing about us. We can't explain.

[C]

There's nothing to explain. Maybe this is all just a fucking random accident.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Nah, it's a hell of an accident, Chris. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I don't believe that though.

[B]

I believe it's a hell of an accident.

[A]

It is a hell of an. This would be the greatest accident of all time. Been a better accident. Why hasn't there been better accidents?

[B]

You believe that this was an accident, but Covid is real. Like, you want to talk about mental gymnastics? Like, clearly you guys started Covid. You don't believe that, but you're like, there's no way that God exists. Come on.

[A]

And a lot of things are really perfect. You think about us.

[B]

Outstandingly perfect.

[C]

You know when I've feel a presence of a God or higher power.

[A]

Music.

[B]

Say again?

[C]

Music.

[B]

Music. The sweet sound of a ladyboy's nuts slapping against your shirt.

[A]

Every time.

[C]

Every time.

[A]

To that point though, I feel God during sex. If you are really one with a person and really in love with a person and just think about how the time think About? We've conceived life. We've made love to our wives and conceived life. That is God.

[B]

You guys have made love to your wives and conceive life. I made love to my wife and then later went to a doctor to get some help.

[A]

That's God, though. God.

[B]

That's God. Yeah, that's God.

[C]

Was gonna create the doctor. Why don't you just let the doctor fuck the Lord?

[B]

Work some mysterious. What the fuck? I got my hair up, bro.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

He's vulnerable.

[A]

I believe in God. I don't want nobody to think I don't believe in God. I believe in Jesus as a messenger of God. I also believe that God sent other messengers here. I just never understood, like, that whole I died for your sins thing. Yo, we are doing a terrible job of, you know.

[B]

You stop sinning?

[A]

No, I guess. But we're doing a terrible job of letting God live that life. He give his life for us.

[B]

Get in here.

[A]

See? Speak of God. Speaking of God.

[B]

Speaking of God.

[A]

Wow, wow, wow.

[B]

Shiloh.

[A]

Wow. Where's my little chicken shy. Whoa. Yo. That is your twin.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

That is your twin? Yes. Look at my head. Don't look like Andrew. Wow.

[C]

This is the first time she's seen it.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

She's trying to figure out if that daddy. She's like, I'm not sure, right? Who's that? She was like, who is that? Big death Daddy. Hello. How are you? How are you?

[B]

Good.

[A]

She's like, I think that's that. Hi.

[B]

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[B]

We're getting Chris to be a believer, too, man.

[A]

No, I believe in Jesus, too. I'm just thinking, if God made man in his image according to his likeness, right? And of course he would make Jesus that way. If I looked down right now and I was Jesus and saw the way we was acting, I wouldn't even claim that I died for y'. All. I ain't dying for y' all to act like this.

[B]

Well, the worst we act, the more we needed him to die for us, right? No, he only dies for the sinners of the believers, though, right?

[A]

I don't see exactly. You know, Jesus is up there like, oh, God, I don't even know who I can send for them to figure it out, you know, I mean, shout out to Jesus, though. We appreciate your.

[B]

They could have sent you, man. By the way, God could be working through you, brother.

[A]

That is true. I'm about to say, jesus, we appreciate your sacrifice. You know what, though? I would believe the story of Jesus a little bit more if he hadn't been killed.

[B]

Well, he needs to be to die for everybody's sins. The ultimate sacrifice. God sends his own son down here to die for our sins.

[A]

So why was he fighting when they were taking him to the cross then?

[B]

He wasn't.

[A]

Yes, he was.

[B]

He came back willingly.

[A]

No, I'm talking about when they were taking him. He dragging him to the cross.

[B]

He was the one who dragged the cross up there.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

He dragged it on his back while they're spitting on him.

[A]

And they made him.

[C]

They made you do that?

[B]

He came back into town on the donkey. Badass. Like, what's up? I'm fucking shit up. Not me. And someone else helped him carry that cross at some point.

[A]

No, see, now that's. I know that's not the story. You got to carry your own cross, Miles.

[B]

Well, that's. Nah, there was some fighter. You got to carry your own cross.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And some character that helped him.

[A]

Imagine helping Jesus carry his cross and nobody can remember your name. Well, I'm not.

[B]

I'm gonna be honest with you. Mark taught me about all of this four days ago.

[A]

Mark Gaganon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He looks like Jesus.

[B]

I know. Devout Catholic.

[A]

Shout out to Mark.

[B]

No, Mark knows. Mark knows a lot. So does Shifty man. Shifty knows a lot, too. I was reading Mark's baby's book about the Bible and I was like, oh, this is all fascinating.

[A]

I know Mark wrote a baby book about the Bible.

[B]

He bought one for his child.

[A]

Oh, what the fuck is going on? Listen, shout out to God, man.

[B]

Don't get enough credit too. Because, like, they became the dominant religion, so you forget about what they went through to become the dominant religion. But, like, they were persecuted like crazy. And through the sex cult, they were called that. Yeah, they were called a million different things. But like, through that, they were still benevolent and kind and helping the people. They were ostracized by society and they.

[C]

Just say again for a minute.

[A]

For hundreds of years, Christians got to drop the whole. You know, I'm just saying they.

[B]

They paid the cost to be the boss.

[A]

Not really.

[B]

Sunday did. It wasn't.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm saying they should drop the whole can get forgiven for our sins thing.

[B]

But that's the point. Then why else did he die?

[A]

Because it's no rule. If I can get forgiven for my sins, I'll just do like, oh, forgive me. You know what I'm saying? Get rid of that and then I'll take you a little bit more serious.

[B]

Because they got so much confidence in the source. They have so much confidence. If you believe in this guy and you live a life like him, then.

[A]

What about confidence in yourself, though? Have the confidence in yourself to know I'm going to do right to the point that I don't even need for my sins to be forgiven.

[B]

There is no confidence in self. We're born sinners. That's the problem. We're born to do these up things.

[A]

I guess, man, I don't know. I really don't know. God Bless all.

[B]

I don't either. Don't let me.

[A]

God bless. All the religious people, all the spiritual people just find lean. Don't find God the best way. You know how I always break down God is gain your own definition. Oh, you know, just gain your own definition of what you think God is. Because there is definitely some bigger than us. Because I know we just pissed off all the Christians.

[B]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

They shouldn't be. You shouldn't judge.

[B]

Forgive.

[A]

Remember that fault. Remember that part?

[B]

Forgive us. I think if. I think if that conversation pisses you off, then it reveals that you might not believe as much as you do. Oh. Or that you're a scholar. Like you're mad that you. Oh, yeah, you could be upset of us just getting things wrong. But if you truly believe the Word, then, like, you shouldn't be upset if people don't believe it yet, because then we're just foolish. Yeah. You know, it shouldn't. That shouldn't make you angry. Or they're worried or they're worried that it could worry about what? Motivate other people to not believe.

[C]

I have. I have a lot of born again Christians in my family. When I was a kid, every year I would get a Bible with Jesus's words highlighted in red. And I was like, stop giving that shit to me. Like, this is my Christmas present. Like, this is what you're gonna give me. And my aunt was like, I love you and I think you're gonna go to hell if you don't accept.

[A]

Damn fire.

[B]

And I was just like, what a sweet thing to do, I guess.

[A]

I think you're gonna go to hell if you don't marry that man. I don't know if she was married or not.

[C]

I'm just saying she is.

[A]

Okay, but people always gonna tell you that you going to hell, but they got their own shit that they're doing.

[C]

I think she was sincere. I think she really believed that.

[B]

Yeah. I don't mind when people proselytize. Cause in a way it's like they're just looking out.

[A]

Okay, well, let's talk about this then. What makes somebody guaranteed to go to hell? Right? Cause if the Bible forgives all the sin, for the most part, all the children, but it forgives all the sins.

[B]

I believe in a false prophet, but.

[A]

It says forgive all the sins. So what sins is unforgivable?

[B]

The sins are forgiven once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, but they're not forgiven before. You don't just get forgiven anyway.

[A]

What if you're gay and you forget and you accept Jesus as your Lord.

[B]

And savior, you go to heaven.

[A]

Not according to the Bible.

[B]

Yes, according to the Bible.

[A]

The Bible says being gay is an abomination.

[B]

Yeah, but so is cheating on your wife or coveting thy neighbor's wife or all these other things.

[A]

What if polyo. But what about giving. But you. But you have to give up the dick, though. What if you don't want to give up the dick?

[B]

You have to try.

[A]

Yeah, God damn. What if you get there and you say, but God, you made it.

[B]

Made it fucking.

[A]

It was amazing. Then you start breaking it down the way Hunter Biden broke down soup dump. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

What am I supposed to do? Not nibble at all?

[A]

I believe in God. I want all of us to get to where we're supposed to go. I'm just questioning some of the stories that have been told to us over the years.

[B]

It's good to question. You don't think that Christians been questioned for the last few thousand years, like, they're used to the questioning and it still perseveres? So, like, I don't think questioning is even disrespectful. I think questioning gets you either closer to the source.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Or close to something else. But, like, it's not so fragile. I think that's something. I see that Christians, like, sometimes they're so angry at people question. It's like, guys, it. It beat everything out. It is. It's like everybody's been asking these questions for this long, and it's still here. It's still the dominant religion.

[A]

People still believe.

[B]

People still believe. So it's like, like, let them question it.

[C]

But I'm very dominant. You don't understand how dominant it is until you're not part of it.

[A]

Christianity.

[B]

Yeah, son. It's the year 2025. Somebody made that joke. I think it was maybe Louis C.K. but if you want to know which religion won, we're living in the year 2025. Anything before is before Christ. Is that true? Yeah.

[C]

AD is after death. BC out of dominance. Yeah, I forget about BC.

[B]

They do BCE now. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, man. Anyway, shout out Jesus.

[A]

Yeah, shout out to Jesus, man. I'm not gonna lie. I was sitting in my backyard and I got that revelation.

[B]

Which one?

[A]

Because I was just like, yo, Jesus died for our sins. And our voice was like, no, I did not. And I'm not even joking. And then I had this whole thing in my head about, I got killed. I didn't die for Y' all to be down there acting like that. Yeah. Now, I was on the edible, but it does not take away from the fact that that's what I heard.

[B]

Okay, but now, this is an interesting point, because he could have been dying for the sins that was happening in that region at that time.

[A]

Ooh, not everybody. Ooh, now that's fire. What if everybody adopted it and took it worldwide? But he was only for that one region.

[B]

He was like, yo, I was just talking about them eating shellfish or whatever. I'm not talking about these motherfuckers that eat jellyfish on a regular. Like, that's weird. Like, I don't know.

[A]

I was not talking about you, child. Yeah.

[B]

What are we talking about?

[A]

You might be right, man.

[B]

No, you know.

[A]

You know. Yeah.

[B]

It's nothing. Forget it.

[A]

You.

[B]

It's just a funny premise. Somebody told me that I can't share. It's too.

[A]

It's crazy how you get long hair and all of a sudden you. Jesus.

[B]

Yo, that's a good.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yo, that's a good ass point. Shout out to the man.

[A]

Yo, Israel. Underscore Ramirez 12. Y' all opinion on the 20 versus 1 debate.

[B]

First of all, first of all, if you want to know God exists, why the next question literally come from Israel?

[A]

Damn. No, it's not Israel. It's Israel. Underscore Ramirez, 12.

[B]

Yeah, no, Ramirez. Well, yeah, that's a deported name. Yeah. I mean, we're going to get him out of here.

[A]

Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you. Y' all opinion on the 20v1 debate. Mehdi Hassan, did you watch it versus 24 hour? I watched clips of it. It. Yeah, they asked me to be on what? Jubilee, Right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They asked me to do a 20v one.

[B]

They asked me to, and I'm like, what am I debating you guys on? Yeah, what were your topics? I'm like, what do we.

[A]

They gave me, like, four or five topics. I'm just. Be honest. I'm. I. I love to enjoy it. I like watching the show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just don't want to put myself up to that. Like, I just don't see.

[B]

I also just don't want to debate you. Like.

[A]

I want to have some fun. Like. Yeah, Like. Yeah, I like. I mean, I thought Mehdi handed himself correctly.

[B]

Yo. Met. Yeah, Medi did. It's just you're. You're looking at, like, the most distilled version of, like, infotainment, when, like, information and, like, politics becomes entertainment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's a great Concept, like, for a show, but it is. Sometimes it's a little disappointing, man. You're, like, watching some of the arguments these kids are making, and you're like, wow, this is the. This is what happens when you're caught in the YouTube algorithm.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And not default, though. Why? Why not?

[A]

Because they are getting fed a lot of misinformation, which is why I constantly tell people I thought what Mehdi did was good, because you should do that when people. The judge goes on Fox News or when, you know, different people go on different platforms. If you're seeing somebody spew misinformation and, you know they're not getting the, you know, the truth or the facts, why don't you go on that show and give them the truth and the facts?

[B]

I agree. I just think that, like, now you're watching the show turn into, like, it's like, this is the most extreme. Like, there's one kid who's like, yeah, I'm a fascist. And I was like, okay, I guess we can have those conversations.

[A]

But he don't know what fascist. He clearly didn't know what fascism meant.

[B]

I thought he did. I thought he had.

[A]

I saw that clip. I. I got to take. I got the sense that he didn't understand what fashion.

[B]

How would Conor's America look? What would it look like?

[A]

Well, quite frankly, I think we would deport people who shouldn't be.

[B]

What does the government look like? What's the government look like?

[A]

Yeah, I would say, quite frankly, it's.

[B]

Under a sort of benevolent leader, such as.

[A]

Where does he. Oh, it could be a kind of aristocratic class.

[B]

Could be someone who picks the autocrat. Frankly, the people.

[A]

I mean, we could hold a vote on it.

[B]

Kings, democracy.

[A]

Well, sure, you can have a vote to get to that.

[B]

And then no more votes afterwards.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

100.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And if that autocrat kills you and your family, you're fine with that?

[A]

Well, I'm not. I'm not going to be a part of the group that he kills, because.

[B]

That'S the whole thing. How do you know? Autocrats tend to kill everyone, even their own supporters. Point very well. In his work, it's the friend, enemy distinction.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You the Nazi theoretician?

[A]

Absolutely. I don't care.

[B]

Are you fan of the Nazis?

[A]

I don't. I frankly don't care. Being called the Nazi.

[B]

I didn't say that. I didn't actually say that. I said, are you a fan of the Nazis?

[A]

Well, they persecuted the church a little bit. I'm not a fan of that.

[B]

But what about the persecution of the Jews.

[A]

Well, I mean, I, I certainly don't support anyone's human dignity being assaulted. I'm a Catholic.

[B]

But you don't condemn Nazi persecution of the Jews.

[A]

I, I think that there was a.

[B]

Little bit of persecution because you're a little bit more than a far right Republican.

[A]

Hey, what can I say?

[B]

I think you say I'm a fascist.

[A]

Yeah, I am. Absolutely.

[B]

I'm just checking who's clapping just to get my set of where everyone is on this because you know that millions of people are going to be watching you on YouTube and checking out who the fascists and the Nazis.

[A]

I'm not ashamed of that. What? During the, during the pre war period.

[B]

Prior to World War II, it was.

[A]

Only those parties that properly enacted the people's will.

[B]

That's why they won.

[A]

The conservatives were fat cats.

[B]

You were in favor of killing people.

[A]

Who aren't like you, quite frankly. I'm not.

[B]

You mentioned Franco earlier. Franco killed a lot of innocent people.

[A]

Oh, well, he killed communists.

[B]

He killed people who raped nuns and killed priests. What about children who he killed and women who he killed?

[A]

What are you talking about?

[B]

He never killed any women or children was captured. He only killed combatants. Is that what you're claiming?

[A]

He only killed combatants? Killed any white.

[B]

The white terror was only punishing those.

[A]

People who did acts of terrorism. And again, are you supporting like raping innocent women?

[B]

Nuns, dude.

[A]

Killing priests.

[B]

I mean, priests don't brandish guns and kill. You just refuse to condemn the Nazi holocaust, my friend. I don't think you're in a position to ask anyone any questions.

[A]

I quite frankly don't care what you think about me. If I'm a Nazi. And being a Nazi. Being a Nazi means upholding human dignity.

[B]

Because I even believe in your dignity.

[A]

I don't. In a state that I was running, I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to hurt you or anything like that.

[B]

But frankly, I don't debate fascists. But everybody listen. It's free speech. Like, everybody should have a right to their opinion. I guess you want to make sure. And I haven't seen the whole thing, so I could be speaking out of turn here. But like, you want to make sure that there's like a balanced argument against what Mehdi is presenting. Because if it's just the most extreme argument against what many is presenting, we're like, yeah, we should just live in a, a Christian fascist country or whatever it is. Like a theo fascist. What? A theocratic.

[A]

You can't call yourself a fascist. And believe in free speech.

[B]

Well, I guess my point is they will sacrifice that to make the change they want. I guess what I'm saying is that you actually do a disservice to addressing Mehdi's argument. Like, I want to hear Metis. I want to hear Mehdi argue against somebody who's really smart but also has a reasonable position. That's the opposite. I don't want it. It's. Medi goes, hey, we should get rid of immigrants. And everybody's like, how about this place is only white? You know, it's like, that's not, to me, a helpful argument or one that I'm trying to, like, learn both sides of. That would be my criticism. You want nuance, but nuance doesn't get clicked. I want. Nuance doesn't get clicks. Like, I want two. I want two reasonable positions. I want someone saying, like, immigration is better, and then someone saying, immigration is worse, and then both of those positions, by the end of it, I want both those people to be like. Like, listen, my opponent made good points. I see where he's coming from. I don't agree.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not simply. I'm gonna write you off as a fucking.

[A]

By the way, I agree with you, and I agree with Miles. But I. I. Nuance does get clicks, because a lot of these takes that we hear from people are nuanced because it's the way that they're looking at it. It just doesn't mean that it's right. You know what I mean?

[B]

I hear what you're saying. It's not like. Yeah, it's not like. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[A]

Like, we listen to these podcasts. We do podcasts. All of this is nuanced. Right. Like, you know what I mean? But what happens on these 20V ones, there is no nuance. You got people that clearly know what they're talking about and people who don't. At least that's the way they've casted it.

[B]

Yeah. And the most extreme opinions are going to be what gets the clicks. Not the most, like, thoughtful conversation.

[A]

Yeah. Like, if you believe something that I disagree with, I want to hear why.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

In a smart way.

[B]

In a smart way. The problem is that, like, people we can't really like, distill between, like, cheap views and expensive views. Views. And by expensive views, I don't really mean, like, I guess a view is a view, but, like, it's easy to get views if you just say Nazi shit. Like, yeah, Kanye can come out and do a song. He's like, hell Hitler. And like, it gets it, but it's just cheap use. Expensive views are like a nuanced conversation about a topic between two sides that both offer reasonable positions. And that's harder to get people to listen to. Yeah, that's a tough thing to get people to listen to. Just saying the most extreme shit that will never exist in reality is very easy to get people to watch, but they're not watching to learn. They're watching the car crash.

[A]

And you'll be. You're surprised at how much stuff is just surfaced. Right. Like when I did Lara Trump a couple of weeks, you know, she played a clip for me from Mandani, and Mandani was basically talking. He was talking about defunding the police, but he was actually talking about it in the nuanced way, not just the phrase. It's easy to take the slogan defund the police and say they want to take. Take money away from police departments and they want to take away cops. But he was breaking it down like, no, defund the police and refund social services. That's another slogan that they need to get rid of. Right, Defund the police. But he said it, refund social services. Like, you know, whenever people have these conversations about defunding the police, what they're talking about is just take some of that. Those, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars that are being put into the police departments and put them into things that can actually make our community safer. Like, you know, he was on Breakfast Club and he talked about. About pairing, you know, mental health professionals with police officers, because that's what you need sometime. Like, if I'm a police officer, I'm not equipped to go out there and deal with somebody who's having a mental health crisis. And then, you know, because I fear for my life, this person might attack me, I shoot them, I kill them. You know, now it's a big. A big controversy when the reality is pair them with people who actually do that work so you can prevent, you know, some of those type of things. And also, man, put money in those communities to give these kids something to do. Like, you know, these kids are going to resort, you know, to crime and other things if they don't have, you know, you know, community centers, if they don't have access to trade school, if they don't have, you know, food in their stomach. Like, I completely understand him when he says, you know, refund social services. That's the thing that we need to hear. Yeah. And I, by the way, I think a Lot of people agree with that, but not at the deficit to our police force. I think you probably can do both. I want police officers to make more money. Like, you know, if these police departments are getting billions and billions of dollars, it's not even going into the police officer's pockets most of the time. So where is it going? So if you're spending all this money on the police departments and you're militarizing the police, what are you doing that for? Maybe if you put more money in the police officer's pockets, maybe some of them will be happy. Another conversation that we've been having is like, you know, we talk about pairing police officers with mental health professionals. What about police officers? Mental health? Police officers are human, too. They're dealing with all types of issues. Sometimes they have to go out and go into these communities, and they might be projecting the pain and the. The hurt that they're feeling onto other people abusing their power. So, you know, I think that there is a way to, you know, please all parties in that situation, but we gotta start talking about what the root, you know, causes of these problems are. I think we get too caught up in slogans, and we end up, you know, arguing about things, and nothing ever gets solved. To me, that was. That's perfect. Like, don't even focus on it to fund the police part. Refund social services. And so I'm explaining, I'm talking to her, and I'm like, yo, all he's simply saying is these police departments, especially in places like New York City, have these bloated police budgets. You know, multi. Billions of dollars go to the police departments, but no money actually goes to actual. Actually solving the root issues in the community that are causing crime to happen in the first place. So you should take that money, put it into more mental health initiatives, put it into trade schools, make the schools better, make the libraries better. Give these people in these communities something else to do so they don't resort to crime. And then I said, oh, and also, when it comes to social services, give the police mental health resources. Police gotta deal with a whole bunch of, you know, what police need. Police need mental health resources, and I think police need more pay. If I was a police officer, I'd be mad that the department is getting these billions of dollars, but meanwhile, we not getting more of that money in our pocket. Yeah, I'm pissed off every day I go to motherfucking work 100%, you know, having to deal with y' all curse me out, tell me to suck my dick, blah Blah, blah.

[B]

That's a hard job.

[A]

And I'm barely making ends meet. Yo, think about the cop that got killed at the shooting a couple weeks ago.

[C]

Bangladeshi guy.

[A]

What was the name of the building, though? Blackstone.

[B]

It was Blackstone.

[A]

Blackrock.

[B]

No, no, no. Blackstone. Blackstone.

[A]

Blackstone. The cop that got killed was doing security to make more money.

[C]

Oh, they off the moonlight.

[A]

But that's my point.

[B]

They moonlight, they have to do overtime. They shouldn't have to do these things. And a lot of them, to be honest, like, they can't afford to live in the neighborhoods they police. That should never be the case.

[A]

What the fuck?

[B]

That should never be the case. You in the neighborhood, you police honestly. Like, that's what we want.

[C]

250 a year. You know how great the candidates they'd be getting?

[A]

Oh, my God. Exactly.

[B]

Oh, my God, exactly. I mean.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Fight for that. Yeah, you'd be fantastic candidates.

[A]

That's a nuanced conversation. If I'm Mundani. Yeah, that's what I start saying as well.

[B]

But I would never say defund the police because I think it just has such bad optics. What I would say is, we need to increase funding to social services. We need to increase. Like, stop acting like.

[A]

Stop trying to find these catchy slogans.

[B]

Yeah, it's like, don't take it away.

[C]

The point of the slogan is there's no nuance in it.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

There's no nuance in a slogan.

[A]

Use it.

[C]

You got to own it.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

He learned that.

[B]

And I think. Yeah, I think, no, he hasn't, because.

[A]

He keeps saying defund the police.

[B]

I think what he's trying to do is. I think he's said some things like this in his past, and he's trying.

[A]

To fix it now.

[B]

Not trying to fix it. He's basically trying to, like, straddle becoming mayor and making noise.

[A]

How about just explain your position? That's. But that's nuance. But that's what I meant. That's why I brought that up. That's why I bought that. Because you can be on a network like Fox, see, defund the police, and already believe you know what that means and just dismiss it. But the nuanced conversation of it is explaining, no, this is what I actually mean when I say defund the police. But I would just stop saying defund the police.

[B]

Don't say it.

[A]

Then LAR goes, well, what about socialism? And that's when I brought up what I say about, hey, man, Democrats come up with all of these words for other shit. Like pregnant people and stuff like that. So they need to say something else. And I think Mandani has done that by just simply saying affordability. And then I said, you know who else did a good job at that? Donald Trump.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

It's just the truth.

[B]

It's the master at.

[A]

It's just the truth to the map. So I think what happens on these shows right here, you have Ahmedi Hasan, who understands. Who first of all knows what the hell he's talking about, number one. Number two, understands the nuance to all of these conversations. And then you have 20 people who just believe the slow Hogan.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You know, you're right.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Let's get rid of the immigrants you got. Yeah, you're an immigrant.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I'm an immigrant. If you really want to get. Get technical about it, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I'm first generation.

[A]

That's. That's my. Exactly.

[B]

You've been here longer than me.

[A]

Yeah, we from the south, though. I feel like we was here the whole time.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

I do. I really know that there's.

[B]

There's people who make that argument.

[A]

I believe that 100. I don't believe everybody was brought over here on. From slave ships.

[B]

There's. Yeah, they say that there are Native Americans that are black.

[A]

Look at them. Yeah, I mean, just look at. Look at. Look at indigenous people. They look.

[C]

They came from Taiwan.

[A]

All right, Everybody want to be down. Everybody.

[B]

Everybody want to be down, bro.

[C]

Telling you guys, everybody want to be down.

[A]

Take a close.

[C]

Take a close look at it.

[B]

You're talking about land bridge.

[C]

I'm talking about. They're almost died out. But there were the indigenous tribes of Taiwan. A couple times ago when I was in Taiwan, I went to. You know, they still have these villages. They're doing the historical dances. It's the exact same as Native Americans. The costumes were the same. The rhythms were the same. The people looked the same. I was like, these are. That's your answer right there. Now, did they come across the land bridge? Did they come across dugout canoes across the ocean?

[A]

I don't know, but everybody want to have a motherland. Everybody want they land to be the motherland.

[C]

Asia's the motherland.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Hey, hey. This is what people gotta realize. Ain't no more motherlands. What you got now is what you got. That's it.

[A]

Sandyss3 says, Does Shannon Sharpe even need ESPN at this point? It's a good question.

[B]

I mean, it's a qualifier if you're speaking in the sports World. I feel like Shannon has kind of pivoted to the culture world and moved away from the sports world. So I don't think he needs espn. But. But it's a nice check and there's nice access.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. $6.5 million a year is a lot of money to lose for a 19 year old. Only fans girl, bro.

[B]

I need to know how much she got. Cause she retired from OnlyFans the next day.

[A]

Retired from fucking OnlyFans?

[B]

Yo, that's crazy laid up.

[A]

I don't think. I mean, I don't think Shannon needs ESPN. This is about what you're looking at. It's a $6.5 million check every year he was working two days a week, you know what I'm saying? I don't think he needs it. I mean, he still goes viral and people still care about his sports takes, you know, with Ocho.

[B]

That's true. He got the show with Ocho.

[A]

If I'm espn, I just hire Ocho Cinco, yo. Because then you still got culture. Some culture. And you still got some of Shannon's audience.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? I don't know if Ocho would do it, yo. But that would make sense.

[B]

Diabolical move.

[A]

It's higher. Ocho Cinco. I mean, we say it's diabolical, but it's just like, eh. He chanted it to himself like, you know, you work for the Mouse, bro. You work for Disney.

[B]

Yeah. You can't be.

[A]

You gotta know how to move like. They got Johnny Depp the fuck up outta here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? He made them billions of dollars.

[B]

Billions.

[A]

You think they.

[B]

If they'll fire the guy that made you billions. And he's not even guilty.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

He's innocent. What the fuck? He didn't even pay her off.

[A]

He didn't even pay her off.

[B]

There's no settlement. He won.

[A]

But everything that court, the Mouse got him the fuck outta there, bro. Got him the out.

[B]

Are they gonna make more movies with Johnny? Not only did a mouse got him out there, you know who else got him out of there? J.K. rowling.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

He was Dumbledore, right? Was he Dumberforth? Yeah, he was like Dumbledore's buddy or whatever.

[A]

In the Dumbledore?

[B]

Yeah, in. In the Harry Potter like origin story.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It follows Dumbledore and then Double Door. So he was the bet. Now what's the name of him? He was.

[A]

I ain't never seen Johnny Depp in the Harry Potter movie.

[B]

Grind. What is it? Grindelwald. Grindelwald, yeah. He was Grindelwald.

[A]

Yeah, but they are maybe. You know, there has been rumors that Johnny Depp might be making a return to Pirates of the Caribbean. Caribbean.

[B]

I mean, if he does, we're all pulling up.

[A]

Yeah. And he's shooting another movie with some of my people, so. Who? I don't want to say, because I don't know if it's been announced yet.

[B]

They love the cancer. You get them at a discount. Huh. That's a business model right there. You get a motherfucker canceled, and then you hire him for pennies on the dollar. That's genius.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want to say because I don't know if David Dowsey, but. Yes, but definitely. I've heard about him returning to Pirates of the Caribbean, but Johnny Depp's gonna work again. He's Johnny fucking Depp. I'm just saying Disney did wash their hands with him at the time.

[B]

Disney did that shit to James Gunn. We forget about the fact that he.

[A]

Did it the fucking season.

[B]

James Gunn was fired for old tweets, for, like, joke tweets. Like, clear joke tweets. And this was during the canceled MeToo movement, which every. Everybody has forgotten. The canceled movement. Like, it's really funny how, like, once you once. Once history. Once society changes, we completely forget what got us there.

[A]

We forget what got us there, and.

[B]

Then the reactions are often a, you know, over correction from what got us there, but we forget about how fucked up it was to get us there in the first place. Like, the guy, James Gunn, obviously, like, one of the greatest movie makers of all time probably will go down. History was canceled for joke tweets and joke tweets after.

[A]

After producing movies that made billions of dollars. A guy that clearly has a real sense of humor, a sixth sense of humor, but a sense of humor nonetheless. Made jokes and got canceled. And now he's back as that. Shout out to DC man.

[B]

Yo.

[A]

Shout out to DC. Yo. Shout out to D.C. for doing that and reaping rewards from it.

[B]

Let's go.

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See mintmobile.com John Garcia says what is going to happen with the shake up from Michael Parsons? Standing on business against the rich white man? I don't know.

[B]

What's this?

[A]

Well, Michael Parsons, Dallas Cowboys superstar Jerry Jones doing what he normally does not want to pay nobody. Now, I don't know. By the way, we're recording this a while in advance, but the last thing that happened was Michael Parsons asked for a trade because Jerry has been playing with his money. Jerry says he's going to go negotiate with Michael Parsons personally. Michael Parsons is a once in a generational talent. Cut this shit, Jerry. I told you this shit when we was in fucking St. Box, okay? Cut the motherfucking shit. Treat your players right. Do not let Micah walk out the door for nothing. He's not, he. He's not somebody you would want to trade. You don't just find a player like that any goddamn where.

[B]

Okay, so this just popped up right now. So this might be old, but this. Are you seeing this? Johnny Manziel, Gilly, the Kid beef.

[A]

Oh, I saw that. He said he's gonna slap Gilly.

[B]

He's like, set up the rough and rowdy. Let's call it a day. And then he goes, I love million dollars worth of game, but that's the corniest shit I've ever seen in my life.

[A]

Like, what, What? What? What did he call corny?

[B]

Like.

[A]

Never had one of these. Now I go back and forth with you, Nick. Thank you, Jen. Appreciate you, J.

[B]

Love you, Nick.

[A]

Love you, Nick. Appreciate you, Jalen. Cam Newton never had one of these. I said, cam Newton never got one of these. Thank you, Jalen.

[B]

Thank you, Nick.

[A]

Thank you. Oh, Johnny responded to that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What'd he say?

[B]

Yo, Gilly the kid. You may be the biggest loser on the planet talking like you done anything on a football field. If I see you just. No, I'm gonna slap the out of you trust. That's corny. Because Cam Newton left, Jalen hurts off his top 10 quarterbacks list.

[C]

I hear nothing but facts from Gilly.

[A]

As far as what? Cut it out. Yeah, yeah. Now, one thing I love, you know, gilly, my guy, 100%. But we just talking sports here. We gonna stop fronting on Cam Newton just because you don't got a suitable. Cam Newton is one of the greatest. Greatest probably you can debate probably greatest college quarterback ever and had tremendous success in the NFL. He went to the super bowl, got an MVP like, have you. Cam Newton is a once in a lifetime generational star. This is what I wanted to talk. I'm glad we brought this up because I was thinking about this the other day. We try to quantify the NFL the way we do other sports. The NBA is literally the only sport you can do the ring shit with, Joe.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

It's the only sport. And I'mma tell you why. Because it's only 12 players on an NBA team. So one player really can impact the team in that way.

[B]

And five on the floor at a time.

[A]

Five on the floor at a time. You can't do that in the NFL. In the NFL, you can be as great as Cam Newton was and don't have the parts around you. So you trying to tell me Barry Sanders isn't the greatest running back of all time? Because he never won a ring.

[B]

So this is.

[A]

He's not.

[B]

Okay, well, let's.

[A]

What?

[B]

Okay, wait, wait. Let's have this conversation because I think this is really interesting. Does that then diminish the greatness of winning championships in football?

[A]

No, it doesn't diminish it.

[C]

Jalen hurts has Been to two super bowls. Almost won one one the second.

[A]

I think Jalen's.

[C]

Why is he not top 10 quarters?

[A]

I think Jalen's great. I didn't. I don't hear. I didn't hear Cam's argument. You mean top 10 of all time?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

[C]

It was the current list. He's not on the top 10 of.

[B]

Of the current quarterbacks in the league.

[C]

Somebody dropped the list. I don't know who dropped it.

[B]

Who the fuck would say he's not top 10?

[A]

He's definitely top 10 current, top 10 all time. I don't know.

[C]

No, he's not top 10. He's not even.

[B]

We're not saying. I can't believe that.

[A]

So what's the list? That's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't know. Cam's argument. I don't know. I didn't hear Cam's argument. I didn't even get in the middle of this conversation until I heard.

[B]

Also, Johnny's bigger than Gilly, but Gilly has hands. Like, if it's an actual boxing match, I don't think Johnny wants that. Now, I know Johnny's an NFL athlete. Don't get me wrong.

[A]

Let's be clear.

[B]

Yeah, you.

[A]

Johnny getting jumped ain't no. Like, you know, like Johnny. I know John. Johnny don't understand this part of life. You not putting hands on Gilly, and people just going to sit around and watch you put.

[B]

No, he says do rough and rowdy. The bar still thing, what is that where they do, like, the boxing matches?

[A]

You're still getting jumped. If there's more than three Philly people in a venue, you're getting jumped.

[B]

Gilly got a lot of love in Philly, man. Gilly got a lot of love in Philly.

[A]

Gilly got love out of Philly, okay? Ain't nobody sitting around watching Gilly get hands put on them in no way, shape or form like. No, it's not happening. So what is this? Okay, CAM Newton's top 10 NFL quarterback facts.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You don't have Jalen on there.

[A]

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff, Jaden Daniels, C.J. scroud, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield. I mean, I would have to hear his argument. I'm just. If. If certain people say things, I'm listening in a different way.

[B]

Look, number one and two make perfect sense.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

I can't believe Patrick is three.

[A]

I can't believe Patrick is 3 either behind Lamar and Josh. Patrick is still number one to me.

[B]

I don't think the top. Top four that disputable. Maybe the order, but I don't think the top four that crazy. Right.

[A]

I agree. And he got Jaden Daniels over there. Over, over.

[B]

But I can't believe you're not going to put the guy who went to the super bowl once, won it the second time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the top 10. Maybe that's a mistake, bro. That could just be a mistake. It falls apart after seven or after six. Like you can even argue Stafford and.

[C]

God off if you had to.

[A]

I got. I mean, Jaylen would be. I mean Jay, if I was doing the list, Jalen Hurts would be in my top five. Current quarterback.

[B]

I think that's fair.

[A]

Easily.

[B]

I think. I know Matt Stafford's a beast, though. That's the. The one thing right there. But in a vet like he's been in the league long time, he's got more stats because. But also you could. You could put Jaylen in front of Joe Burrow.

[A]

I got Jaylen in front of Joe.

[B]

Hasn't taken you to a Super bowl yet.

[C]

I mean, Jaylen's not. Not a classic passer by any stretch of the imagination, I think.

[B]

But he gets it done and I.

[C]

Think he's a leader.

[B]

He gets it done.

[A]

Like, I don't know. I would have to hear Cam's argument. But I know one thing. All I'm simply saying is we people can't front on Cam Newton just because he don't got a ring. By the way, have you ever met.

[B]

Cam Newton is like Diddy's assistant.

[A]

Have you ever met.

[B]

His outfits are crazy.

[A]

Have you ever met Cam Newton?

[B]

No, but impressive stature, he don't even look real.

[A]

It came like I'm like this. Used to play quarterback.

[B]

He's like, techma Bowl.

[A]

Yes. Like, I'm like this. He's built like Anthony Mason.

[B]

RIP Mason.

[A]

RIP Anthony Mason. I always said the two people I've met in my life that are athletes, that I'm like, this is unbelievable. Is Anthony Mason and Cam Newton. They don't even look real. I've never met Shaq, so I don't know how Shaq looks impressive, but these guys looked unreal. Like cam looks unreal.

[B]

LeBron is daunting.

[A]

Cam used to play quarterback.

[B]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[A]

Think about that. Imagine trying to tackle Cam Newton and you was a linebacker. Defensive tackle. This motherfucker bigger than you, running you the Fuck over. I just. I mean, I just.

[B]

That's why he could dress like that. Like, nobody's gonna do anything about it. You know what I mean? You can't dress like that at five' eight.

[A]

I think that there's nothing wrong with the way Cam dresses either.

[B]

Yeah, I would say that if I was you.

[A]

I can't pull that off.

[B]

Yeah, I know you can't.

[A]

But when you see Cam, it works for him. That shit works for Cam?

[B]

Yeah, it works for anybody. Six' six, 260. Cause none of us are gonna do nothing about it. We're gonna say, hey, that's a great top hack farm in San Diego. I love what you're doing. But none of us are gonna actually say anything about it.

[A]

I don't know, man.

[B]

He looks crazy.

[A]

I think that shit works for Cam, man.

[B]

I don't know, bro.

[A]

I think that there's a lot of reviews.

[B]

I mean, look at this shit right here. This is insane. You look like your grandma's sofa. What is this picture?

[A]

That's wild. That's wild.

[B]

He does.

[A]

It's not the hat, though.

[B]

No, it's the outfits. It's just the outfits.

[A]

But I just think there's a lot of revisionist history when it goes into Cam Newton as an athlete in football. You can't use the ring debate, bro.

[B]

To me, I think this way, I.

[A]

Honor, is Calvin Johnson not one of the greatest wide receivers of all time?

[C]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Barry Sanders is not. When you talk, you're only discussing a few running backs as the greatest, bro.

[B]

Can we just talk about the outfits for a second?

[A]

Bo Jackson never won a ring, but.

[B]

Who dresses the best? Like, do you think Andre 3000 left music because he realized he couldn't fuck with Cam?

[A]

Andre can't fuck with Cam. I'll tell you that right now.

[B]

He can't fuck with his wardrobe, bro.

[A]

He can't fuck with Cam.

[B]

It's different. Like, this guy's on another level.

[A]

He can't fuck with Cam. Cam. Cam. He can't fuck with Cam. I don't care what y' all say. He can't fuck with Cam.

[B]

Golly.

[A]

Like, if you even pull up the list of, like, the greatest of all times in football, a lot of those greatest of all times don't have rings. Damn, Areno.

[B]

Yo, what are we talking about?

[A]

People?

[B]

I think. I think you make a good point. The question now is if football. Because there's more people, you're playing less time. Like, if you're an offensive player, you play half the Game. Maybe be. If that's the case. Do you take credit away from their super bowl wins if they have it, knowing that they are less responsible for that win? I. E. Are Jordan six NBA victories more impressive than Tom Brady's? Seven? Because you could argue that he's only playing half the game.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But that's a high.

[A]

Don't get me wrong. Seven Super Bowls is fantastic.

[B]

Well, so the other way of looking at that argument is since it's so much harder to get 12 guys together to win a Super Bowl. Winning a Super bowl is more difficult than winning an NBA championship.

[A]

I give Tom Brady and the New England Patriots so much credit because they went to nine Super Bowls in my lifetime.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

And he won six of those. Then he went to another team, Tampa Bay, and won another one. He's an anomaly. But even with that, that. That's the reason we say Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. But is he really?

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I, I. Skill wise, I think at a. Yeah, doesn't matter.

[A]

Yes, it does.

[B]

No, because he's the greatest. Because he attracted the talent and he managed the talent. And he got the most out of all those guys playing. But he also attracts talent on both sides of the field.

[A]

I got him number one.

[B]

I don't know how you.

[A]

But I don't think he's better than damn Marino. Skill wise. I mean, skill wise.

[B]

Leadership.

[C]

I'm a Brady hater. So for me to say this leadership. Tampa Bay one's.

[B]

It's certified. It.

[A]

It ended it.

[B]

It's like Belichick is coaching. What is. What high school does this girl go to?

[A]

Listen, I got Brady number one on my list, too. Greatest quarterback of all time. Number two is Joe Montana, who's after that.

[C]

That's pretty good.

[A]

Probably somebody ringless.

[B]

No, his name is Patrick Mahomes.

[A]

Patrick Mahomes at three already?

[B]

How could you. He has three Super Bowls. How could you not?

[A]

I see. But we.

[B]

The guy's in his 20s still. Like, what are we talking about?

[A]

The way Eli Manning fall. Then.

[B]

With all respect to Eli. Further. I mean, why Peyton is above.

[A]

But that's my point. And Eli got two of them things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he beat the goat twice.

[B]

Twice.

[A]

That's why the ring shit don't really matter in the football until it does.

[B]

Yeah, it's tricky. It is tricky.

[A]

It is. It doesn't matter until it does.

[C]

Brady, those guys stepped up. I mean, Dan Marino as an arm.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Best of all time. He threw a lot of big interceptions. And I can remember his Career.

[A]

Look at this. 25 NFL legends who never won a Super bowl ring. Dick Butkus. Bruh. Earl Campbell. Come on, man. Eric Dickinson, Bruh.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Come on, man. Who else?

[C]

Dan F. Was great.

[A]

I don't even know who that is. Antonio Gates. Come out the greatest tight end ever.

[B]

Nah.

[A]

What?

[B]

Gronk is the greatest tight end.

[A]

No, he's not. Tony Gonzalez. Both. Both. Both these two people are better than Gronk. Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates. Both of them play tight end.

[B]

I don't know, man.

[A]

John Hannah. I don't know who that is. Sony, Jurgen. Never heard of him. Jim Kelly, bro. Come on, man. Dan Marino? Of course. Who else? Oh, you're spreading too fast. Who was the first one you just went past, Chris?

[C]

Bunch of offensive linemen.

[B]

Bruce.

[A]

They count, though. Scroll up. I don't know who they are. Randy Moss. Come on, bro.

[B]

Huh?

[C]

He never won.

[A]

No, he never won. He lost that year. They went undefeated in New England.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Come on, man. Anthony Munaz.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Merlin Olson. I don't know. Alan Page. Philip Rivers. He's not one of the 20. He's not? Philip Rivers? No. Matt Ryan? No. Okay. Not stupid. Right?

[C]

Philip Rivers.

[A]

Barry Sanders. Come on, man.

[B]

O.J.

[A]

Whoa. O.J. don't deserve to win one. He won something else much greater in life. It's called a trial. Bruce Smith, he had his chance three times. Four times, right? Come on, man. Come on, man. You're gonna tell me these aren't some of the greatest players at their position ever? Come on, man. J.J. watt, bro. Come on, man.

[B]

Did J.J. fully retire?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He's done.

[A]

He's done. He's done. We gotta stop the ring. I understand what Gilly is saying, but the ring doesn't make. Make Jalen better than Cam. Yeah, not to me, anyway.

[B]

Also, Gilly's gonna have to fight a few people. I looked up a bunch of different lists of active best QBs. And Jalen's nine for the ESPN list, which was a bunch of executives and other former and other current players. Right.

[A]

Really?

[B]

The ringers got him 15th, and Bill Simmons, I think, has him lower, too. Dang.

[A]

I would have to hear the argument. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to argue anyone's right or wrong.

[C]

Just that, I mean, look, they were talking about benching or trading him about a year ago in Philly. I mean.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm not gonna argue with Cam Newton. Cam Newton clearly knows more about football than me. So if Cam tells me he's not on the top 10 list. I'm gonna ask why. And when he tells me, it's probably gonna make sense. I don't fucking know. What else we got? Let's do some more asking idiots, man. Let's do some more asking idiots, man. J o views. And Nate says, what was your first job? What was your first job? Schultz.

[B]

First job. I was a delivery boy. A delivery boy for the grocery store, delivery boy for a liquor and wine store, and then a delivery boy for a pizza shop. Oh, those are my. My first, like, real employee. I mean, like, I did little jobs, and for.

[C]

That's.

[B]

That's what happened at the pizza shop.

[A]

Up.

[B]

Wait, what? Wasn't there a girl that worked there? Oh, yeah. My friend's older sister would just sit on my lap and feel my erections. She was older, living a lot of stuff. Oh, my God. She. I would just. She would just sit on my lap, I'd flip my dick up to my belly, and then she would just give me erections.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. And that's probably. That was probably at a time where that was inappropriate of her to do, but I've never.

[A]

Inappropriate when a woman does it to a girl.

[B]

I agree with you entirely.

[A]

I mean, I know I, I. It should be, but it's not. There's a double standard in the world that exists. Like, you. She could tell you could both tell that same story, and people will say you took advantage of her.

[B]

Oh, my God. I had a garlic knot burying a hole in the back of her jeans for an entire summer.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

I remember it vividly.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You never really got to put the taste of oregano sauce, though.

[B]

Nothing. Nothing.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A kiss, at least.

[B]

Not even a kiss, dude. Just a bunch of ricotta on my drawers.

[A]

So how does she used to get you hard? Like.

[B]

I think I was at a time where you didn't really need to do much much.

[A]

Just. Just a woman showing you interest.

[B]

Yeah. Smile. Simple as that.

[A]

Wow. What the. Does that mean? J o n 1 when you gonna do Bad Friends?

[B]

Bad Friends? The podcast.

[A]

Whose part is it?

[B]

Andrew Santino and Bobby Lee. Hilarious podcast.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that's what it was called. Yeah, I mean, I see it all the time. I didn't know that's what it was called.

[B]

They're great. We gotta go. We gotta go pop. Next time we're in la, we'll pop out.

[C]

I was at their studio this week.

[B]

Oh, no way. What were you doing?

[C]

Just taping some, but they asked us.

[A]

To do it or Something like people like, why do they.

[B]

No, I guess they're fans of Bad Friends. They got a great show.

[A]

Well, what's the. Oh, they just want us to go do it.

[B]

Be the guests. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

[B]

That'll be a fun episode.

[A]

My first job was in. Well, my first real job, I used to work with my dad. My dad used to do construction, but my first real job was a warehouse called Industrial Acoustics Company.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I got fired by a woman named Gail Cobb.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Gail told me that I just did not fit in to what they were doing.

[B]

Was she right?

[A]

I mean, they had us in the back, like, knocking weeds down. So, like, this one dude I used to work with used to bring weed and we'd be back there smoking and they had like a. They had like this. It was like a flatbed. It was like a piece of a flatbed back there that was like a stage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, we all get hired. I go on the stage and start just making everybody laugh.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. And Gail caught me one time, so.

[B]

And then she fired you immediately?

[A]

I think so. Pretty sure. It was like. It didn't last long after that. Like, not even a little bit. She fired me. She told me I didn't fit in. I got. She was. She clearly was. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The fuck?

[B]

Shout out, Gayle.

[A]

Shout out to Gayle Cobb, man. She might be. Passed away now, probably. That was a long time ago. And she was older then, but then again, you don't know. You don't know. Back then them kids was like. Like, them older people was like 20 plus, late 20s, early 30s, but looking way older. Yeah, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's it for this week's brilliant Idiots episode, man. Thank you. You can always send in asking idiots. We'll get to them. We've decided that we're not. Andrew is going to do some idiots when you're in Australia.

[B]

Yeah, I want to. I want to do some. We're going to get. We're going to make it happen.

[A]

It's going to be. It's going to be like Covid. You got to figure it out the way we did it when it was during COVID man. But as always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. You're right, too. It's a brilliant idiots podcast. Thank you for listening.

[B]

Peace.

[A]

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