Post Dame Interview

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots

Episode Summary: "Post Dame Interview"

Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God, Andrew Schulz
Guest Co-Host: Lauren LaRosa

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Overview

This episode serves as a lively and introspective debrief—almost a "postgame analysis"—of the recent explosive Dame Dash Breakfast Club interview. Charlamagne, Schulz, and Lauren LaRosa dissect the interview's controversies, Dame's personality and legacy, their own approaches to interviewing controversial Black figures, the ongoing narrative about Black ownership and respect, and broader topics touching on masculinity, ego, and community dynamics.

Tone: Candid, comedic, and sharply analytical, with both humility and irreverence in play.

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Major Themes and Segments

1. Why Dame Dash Came for an Interview [06:46–08:35]

• Dame's Motivation:
  The hosts agree Dame came to "prove he’s not broke" and to challenge the "narrative" created about him: financial struggles, bankruptcy, pride about Harlem, and feeling under-respected by media.

  “…Dame came to prove he's not broke. And I don't know if he's broke or not. ...he really cares about what the Internet says about him.” – Charlamagne [05:44]

• The Thanksgiving Turkey Interview:
  Charlamagne describes the Dame Dash episode as a “Thanksgiving turkey”—an interview that multiple platforms feed off for weeks or even years.

  “Certain interviews…are ‘Thanksgiving turkeys…’ because everybody eats off them.” – Charlamagne [02:32]

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2. Dame Dash’s Ego, Legacy & Lack of Growth [09:38–13:55; 24:13–25:31]

• Persona Stuck in the Past:
  They note that Dame's “boss baby” persona hasn’t evolved in 15 years—stuck on the same narratives about entrepreneurship and little self-reflection.

  “The persona of who Dame Dash is didn't evolve...he has to bring back in the ‘do you know who I am? I'm Dame Dash.’ That didn’t grow up.” – Lauren [09:38]

• Empathy & Brokenness:
  Lauren expresses some empathy for Dame’s vulnerability post-prime, while Charlamagne views him as “a broken person.”

  “Even if he's not broke, he's broken. He's a broken person. That's why we gotta pray for his healing.” – Charlamagne [07:47]

• Lesson for Listeners:
  Charlamagne frames Dame as a culturally important negative example—what happens if you don’t heal or evolve:

  “We need contrast that aren't criminal…what about when a person just won’t get out of their own way with their own ego?” – Charlamagne [12:11]

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3. Dame’s Contradictions & Materialism [08:44–09:28; 18:02–18:26; 36:01–36:40]

• Contradictory Behavior:
  Charlamagne points to Dame’s frequent hypocrisy (“says he don’t be around men…walks in with men”), and his need to prove himself.

• Materialism as Insecurity: Dame’s obsession with wealth and appearance is scrutinized—epitomized by arguing about sneakers and house size on-air.

  “That’s how much he cares about…materialistic shit.” – Charlamagne [18:26]

• Memorable Moment:
  The infamous “Debt Dash” and “Debt Jam” jokes—undercut Dame’s bluster:

  “That’s his new name. You should start a new label called Debt Jam.” – Charlamagne [17:37]

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4. Masculinity, Gender, and Weaponized Language [19:37–24:00]

• Weaponizing “Girl” and “Gay”:
  There’s extended deconstruction of using “girl” as an insult and weaponizing queerness to delegitimize Black men—framed as both a community joke and something that’s genuinely toxic.

  “It’s the same thing as him using girl as a slur. Like, you're weaponizing gayness.” – Charlamagne [38:36]

• Reactions in the Black Community:
  Lauren notes backlash—especially among LGBTQ listeners—regarding how such language normalizes stigma.

  “…there’s a whole community angry about this…people don’t think that stuff like that is funny.” – Lauren [37:24]

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5. Dame, Bankruptcy, and the Trump Analogy [26:45–29:39]

• False Comparisons:
  The team pokes holes in Dame’s efforts to rebrand bankruptcy as an entrepreneurial tool “like Trump,” noting these cases aren’t equivalent (personal Ch.7 bankruptcy vs. business debt, scale, and perception).

  “Trump is not known as a good businessman... So what are you using him as an example for?” – Charlamagne [27:00]

• Receipts and Receivership:
  They dissect how Dame may have undermined his bankruptcy proceedings by admitting to hidden resources on air.

  “If you have filed bankruptcy…why are you in an interview basically saying you have it, but you got it over here…?” – Charlamagne [33:16]

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6. Black Media, Respect, & The “One Madam President” Critique [42:35–47:42]

• Viral Commentary:
  The hosts play an extended clip from TikTok creator One Madam President, who accuses Black media of “respecting white voices more than Black pioneers,” citing the difference in treatment between the Dame Dash and Ben Shapiro interviews.

• Response:
  The hosts fiercely reject this, saying Dame dictated the tone by arriving disrespectfully.

  “Ben Shapiro didn’t come in the room and call us stupid...or threaten to punch us…people are acting like we just caused Dame to act like that. No, Dame came in there on that type of time.” – Charlamagne [45:44]

• Community Reverence vs. Critique:
  Lauren and Charlamagne reflect on the complex loyalty the culture feels for figures like Dame, even as his actions draw legitimate critique.

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7. Hip-Hop Mogul “Mount Rushmore” [52:50–56:19]

• Defining Greatness:
  They debate Dame’s historical place among Black music moguls (Russell Simmons, Andre Harrell, Diddy, Master P, Birdman, Suge Knight, J Prince, Jermaine Dupri, Uncle Luke, etc.)
  • Lauren: “But think about all the people you just named…think about Dame Dash and the conversation we just had with him…she’s looking at Dame and that nobody else on that list acts like Dame.” [57:14]
  • Charlamagne: “Relationships has always been Dame’s greatest strength…And what does he not have right now? Relationships.” [77:05]

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8. Dame vs. Cam’ron, Revolt & Ego [68:02–69:05; 69:30–73:34]

• Fact-Checking Dame’s “Chairmanship”:
  The hosts confirm Dame lied about acquiring Revolt and only did so to try and overshadow Cam’ron.

  • “Dame said this is because he was trying to get one up on Cam, which is…it’s never that serious.” – Charlamagne [68:28]

• Male Ego and Burned Bridges:
  Lauren and Charlamagne debate whether Dame’s refusal to accept opportunities from Cam (even after Cam offered to EP Dame’s content) is uniquely Dame—or just male ego at work.

  “That’s not a Dame Dash thing. That’s a male ego thing.” – Lauren [72:14]
  “That’s corny. And it goes against a lot of what Dame has taught us.” – Charlamagne [72:25]

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9. Violence, Respect, and Running Away [61:14–67:47]

• Personal Stories on Street Violence:
  Charlamagne recounts two occasions of being attacked and why “skedaddling” is better than risking one’s life over ego or image.

  “If you can get out there, you should try to skedaddle. …Why would you sit around and fight ten people?” – Charlamagne [22:34]

• Dame's Bravado:
  The hosts argue that Dame’s “stand and fight 30 dudes” logic is outdated bravado and not worthy of celebration.

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10. The Importance and Danger of Passing the Plug [77:45–80:44]

• Relationships & Reputation:
  They debate whether (and when) you should pass industry opportunities (“the plug”) to someone with a checkered reputation, knowing it reflects back on the referee.

  “That fucks up the next person you cosign. So what Lauren is saying is very, very true. That’s why you really gotta watch how people treat others.” – Charlamagne [80:03]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (by Timestamp)

• The "Debt Dash"/"Debt Jam" Zinger:

  “That's his new name. You should start a new label called Debt Jam.” — Charlamagne [17:37]

• On Dame's Stubbornness:

  “He’s boss baby. No, for real. Like, you gotta grow him.” — Charlamagne [10:03]

• Charlamagne on Growth:

  “This is what happens if you don’t grow up…if you don’t heal.” — Charlamagne [13:55]

• On Weaponizing Queerness & Gender:

  “It’s the same thing as him using girl as a slur. Like, you’re weaponizing gayness.” — Charlamagne [38:36]

• On Passing the Plug:

  “When you pass the plug to certain people, when they go in there and then the people that you pass to have a very bad experience…that fucks up the next person you cosign.” — Charlamagne [80:03]

• On Saying No to Opportunities from Rivals:

  “That’s a male ego thing.” — Lauren [72:14]

• On the Role of Relationships:

  “Relationships have always been Dame’s greatest strength…And what does he not have right now? Relationships.” — Charlamagne [77:05]

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Flow and Structure

• The podcast follows a loose, conversational format, shifting between clips, insider analysis, and broader cultural observations. There is much laughter and friendly antagonism but also frequent moments of sincere critique, advice for younger listeners, and reflections on what Black excellence and legacy mean today.

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Key Takeaways

• Dame Dash remains culturally relevant—more as a cautionary figure than a role model.
• Pride and ego can be fatal to relationships, growth, and opportunity.
• Weaponizing gendered and sexual language for insults is increasingly out of step with modern sensibilities.
• Black media must balance reverence for cultural OGs with accountability—even when community loyalties complicate honest critique.
• Even cultural giants can find themselves isolated if they don’t adapt, heal, or maintain strong relationships.
• Passing opportunities (“the plug”) comes with reputational risks.

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For Further Listening

If you want to understand how legacy, respect, and ego collide in Black media—and who’s really leading the conversation on cultural responsibility, humility, and self-reinvention—this is essential listening. The Dame Dash saga continues to echo, but the lessons discussed here may outlast even the latest viral moments.

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[A]

Charlamagne Tha God we are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Hezekiah Walker is in Australia, but back by popular demand. They did not run her off. They did not scare her. First time LL Cool Bay Lauren LaRosa.

[B]

They be scaring people.

[A]

Oh, the Bernadas.

[B]

Listen, they worse than Breakfast Club.

[A]

Yes, Bernard's listeners don't like women. They do, but they don't. They explained it to me last time you was here. I forgot what they said. Why they say they don't like women.

[C]

They say because they're not funny.

[A]

Funny? Yeah, they don't know how to roll with the punches. You know what I'm saying? Not saying that they thought you was funny.

[B]

I was about to say people say I don't roll with punches and I'm like two women. Women, women. Go. Women.

[A]

I mean, you get in your feminist bag for no reason sometimes.

[B]

All right, It's Good for the content.

[A]

Don't you think it's wild being a woman and being a feminist at the same time?

[B]

I don't even.

[A]

You're already a woman.

[B]

But I don't say stuff like I'm a feminist. I just say how I feel. Most of the time it's feminine, feminist.

[A]

Ish.

[B]

Or it's like y' all just don't wanna hear it.

[A]

Cause no, I get riding for the set.

[B]

No y'. All. I don't ride for the set about everything though.

[A]

But you gotta throw your V up. Throw your fucking V up.

[B]

What y' all throw up, huh?

[A]

The dick. I'm gay. You know that. What you talking about? What you mean?

[B]

Oh, yes, girl. Bald headed woman.

[A]

Bald headed girl. Listen, boo, we here cause you know we gotta keep eating off this content. I keep telling y', all, you know, there's certain interviews that happen every now and then. And we call them Thanksgiving turkeys, you know what I'm saying? The reason I call them Thanksgiving turkeys, Cause everybody eats off them. And you eat off them for at least a week or two. You eat off them for at least a week or two, you know. And then some things, you know, you see how it goes throughout the test of time. Cause some things might last, you know what I mean? Like it might be a name. Like you might be calling him Debt Dash for the rest of his life. Or you might be saying he's gonna start Det Jam record for the rest of his life. Or you might be calling me a bald headed girl. Or you might be. They're walking up on me saying I'm gay. That's been going on since forever.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Oh, yeah, a little. I mean, I think Webby started that. I would say. Well, my gayness probably started that too. But webby saying, Charlotte McGay, this is me, Webby, the Trio fam. Young Savage, Sweet Jones junior. Doing what I do, when I do what I do. And I'm doing it with my girl. DJ Envy, Angela Lee, Angelia Yee. Damn. Hello, DJ Envy, Angela Yee and Charlamagay. People been running up on me saying Charlamagay forever.

[B]

You was gay before that.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you're born gay, you. That's just how it goes.

[A]

No, I mean not. Not figurative gay, not literal.

[B]

Now come on now. You all right, I'm not.

[A]

Whatever. Let's play. What do we want to start? Where do you want to start?

[D]

How do you feel, Masculine black man, you know what I'm saying? I don't think you Guys are. I'm listening.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Like your OG is Wendy Williams. She is my og, is sitting right here. You see him and I'm gonna tell you why he's my og. Because he's not. Because he killed anybody or any of those things. He just taught me how to be a better man. Wendy, can you stop? Can you stop?

[A]

Wendy Williams was your og, Wasn't she your boss? Yeah, at one point.

[D]

So she was your og. She put you on and you should give her.

[A]

You know what I realized about this clip right here? I realized that there's a lot of young people who don't know I came up under Wendy Williams.

[B]

So they just saw you sitting on her lap and just what they thought.

[A]

I think that picture, I mean, that picture probably started circulating more after. Well, it was circulating before, but it definitely started circulating more after this. Cause I saw people tagging me in it a lot. But Wendy Williams is my og.

[B]

Why you said she wasn't in this interview?

[A]

I did. I was.

[B]

Not my og, by the way.

[A]

Cause I never look. I don't look. I mean, I never called her my og, but she is. I just look at her as like, yo, what is. I don't know, like that's. She put me on maybe. I think I have called her my radio OG before.

[B]

Yeah, you try to play her right here.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Dame eight with that one. Wendy Williams is your og. But mind you, that's not a knock.

[A]

It is.

[B]

That's not a knock for what you do. But you know what he was trying to do? Cause of where, Wendy? Like what? Like, it's like gossipy and like he was trying to say, you know, you be like, girl, yes, clock it.

[A]

I wanted to ask you about that. Right? And this.

[C]

He do do that.

[A]

I. I do wish that in a lot of ways we could do like post game interviews with the guests.

[E]

Well, I was gonna say, before you even do that, can you provide context for the interview? Like, what was the relationship coming in? What was he there to talk about? What's the setting?

[A]

If you ask me, Dame came to prove he's not broke. And I don't know if he's broke or not. I'm just saying, like, that's what he filed for bankruptcy and that's what everybody says about him. And I think he really cares about what the Internet says about him. Like I told him in an interview, he really cares about what the Internet says about him. He really cares about what other people think about him. And I think, you know, 50 buying, paid in full or Allegedly buying the rights to Paid in Full. That's what really set him off, that in the cam' Ron thing. Cause Damon's a very prideful person. Like, Harlem is. That's his baby. One thing I don't think there's nobody on the planet more prideful than people from Harlem. I'm not even joking. Name them. I don't know, bro. Texas ain't got nothing on Harlem.

[B]

Texas can't talk about the way they dress. They don't lay their outfits out the night before at 40 years old. Like, it's a little different in Harlem. Like, the belts match the pants.

[C]

It used to be Brooklyn, but I feel like people gentrifying Brooklyn so much that it doesn't have the same weight that it used to have. But Harlem hasn't lost its depth. They still feel like the 90s.

[A]

So, I mean. Yeah, you tell us, Lauren. He reached out to you to come on the show.

[B]

Yeah. Well, so I feel like Dane came on because we report on him a lot, and he feels like sometimes people take one narrative. So he wanted to come and set his own narrative, and that's what he attempted to do. I don't think it worked out the way he thought it would, but I think he just wanted to clear some things up. And I don't think it was the buying the rights to pay it in full either. Anytime you talk about anything with him and money. So, like, the child support stuff, the tax stuff, We've been reporting on him a lot, and every time he's like, yeah, but why don't you talk about this? So also, he came to talk about the other stuff, like his books, what he do in schools. Like, he feels like people only attach to the negative and the dame is broken narrative. He was trying to change the narrative around Dame Dash.

[A]

You are absolutely right. And that's his Achilles heel. I know people like that, though. That's why I always say you shouldn't lead with money. Like I, I, I used to tell. I used to tell, who was it? Who? Who was the young rich niggas? Who, Whose label was that? Was that the Migos?

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

I used to always say those are two things you can't ever lean on. You can't lean on youth, and you can't leave on money. Cause you're not gonna always be young, and you're not gonna always be the richest person in the room. You know what I'm saying? So you can't lean on those two things. So when you're not young anymore and you're not up like you used to be. What are you. So that's why. That's how like I don't even play the money game. I don't be calling nobody broke like that's good. But he needed to be called broke. Cause even if he's not broke, he's broken. You know what I'm saying? He's a broken. He's a broken person. That's why we gotta pray for his healing. Top 10. What is this? I like this. Who the. This is the top. Dame Dash, Breakfast Club. Start with the first one. This is a good. You walked in with a man. This is one of those sneaky ones. Because everybody keeps reposting this and sending me this.

[D]

You need to get betrayed by your brother. You remember last time I was here? I said, you don't mess with. That's why I don't be around men. So we all know they betrayed Jesus. I said this.

[A]

You walked in with a man.

[D]

Can I finish?

[A]

Here's the ill thing about Dame. Everything Dame tells people not to do, he does. Yeah. So he says he don't be around men. He walked in there with og. Is Og dead? That's the man. And last time he was on Breakfast Club, he had two men with him. It was Og Dan and Murder Mook. So what are we talking about here?

[B]

I think Dame just feels like he's named Dash. So he could do. He set the rules, but he don't gotta follow him. But that worked for him so long ago. You were closer to it than I am. He not.

[A]

I wasn't.

[B]

Yes, she was. He's not that much older than you.

[A]

I was at home watching back. He's actually about 10 years older than me.

[B]

I thought he was like five, maybe four.

[A]

No, he's 55. Yeah, he's 55. 56 years old. Oh, dang.

[B]

I thought you was old. Sorry, no.

[A]

I'm 47. I was at home watching backstage when Dame was in his prime. Yeah, OK. I wasn't. I didn't even move to New York till 06.

[B]

Yeah. But I just think what I realized in person, and I was just watching like this is insane, is that the Persona of who Dame Dash is didn't evolve. Like it didn't grow up to a certain extent. And I think when he talks about the going to the schools and teaching the kids, that's the. That's the attempt to. But then he has to bring back in the. Do you know who I am? I'm Dame Dash. I do what I want. And it just that didn't grow up.

[A]

He didn't grow up. He's boss, baby. Like, you got. Like you got. No, for real. Like, you gotta grow him.

[B]

Boss, baby. Knowing what suit he wore, that's crazy.

[A]

And I told him that in the interview. It's like, yo, you haven't evolved in 15 years. You've been talking about the same thing for 15 years. And I mean this. I have no problem with Damon whatsoever. I don't want anybody ever to think that.

[B]

Do you feel any empathy for him? Like, do you feel bad for him at all? Because I felt bad after the interview. Not bad that we did the interview. I feel like it was fair game. He came in with the energy, y' all gave it back, whatever. But I felt bad. Just like Dame Dash is. Like, you know, it's like you hear the stories, the hip hop stories and all the things, and then now we're looking at how people talk about them now.

[A]

You know what's so funny? I did say to myself later that night, like, oh, man, I don't like this. Only because, like, there's a part of me that likes it, but then there's a part of me that don't like it. Cause I just think it's unnecessary. You know what I'm saying? There's too much real shit going on in the world, you know? And if you want to be a serious person, like I believe Dame is, or I want to be, like, this just isn't serious. Like, this is just isn't the way to go about doing things. Because I'm with all the bullshit if we want to. Bullshit. I gave. I gave him mad respect. Like, I gave you a lot of respect. You know, I tried to give you a lot of respect in the interview.

[B]

What was the respectful part for you?

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

All of it. We started off very respectful.

[B]

Like, hello, Hi.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No, he came in. He set the rules. We going to get to that later in the pod, but let's. Because there's something I want to address that I saw him post on his page. What's the next one? Go ahead, Alex.

[C]

So it. To me, it's sad to see him like this because it's like I used to look up to what Dame and Jay and Big, what they built and what they did, because it was, like, inspiring. It was like, oh, look at entrepreneurship. Look at what we can do if we work together and build something. And it's like, yeah, and it sucks that, you know, like Charlotte said, he. It doesn't seem like he's evolved, grown grown up in the past 15 years. And it's like, it's sad because he has the capability of doing a lot, but I think because he hasn't grown up, that's what's holding him back.

[A]

I'm glad you brought that up just now, Lauren and Alex, because I hadn't given this any thought. I'm really sitting down thinking about a lot of this right now. But I agree with all of that and I think that's why this is good. Because we need examples. We need examples. Don't look at this interview and just laugh. Look at this interview and learn. Because we need contrasts sometimes that aren't criminal. Like, it's easy to see how some people crash and burn because they got on some criminal, dumb bullshit. But what about when a person just won't get out of their own way with their own ego?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? And this is what it is. He leads with ego a lot. So I would Hope just like 10 years ago, you know, Dame came on Breakfast Club. He gave an interview I didn't agree with a lot of it. Right. But you know when he's like, yo, he sparked a lot of so called entrepreneurs. Yeah, right. A lot of people decided they wanted to be their own boss and a lot of people decided they wanted to start their own businesses. That's a cool mindset to have. I always said I felt like there wasn't a how that came with that interview. But that's what sparked to earn your leisures. That's what sparked the Wall Street Trap was that's what sparked that whole financial literacy movement in our culture. Like, if you talk to Rashad and Trey, they'll probably tell you the same thing. Like that Breakfast Club interview with Dame Dash is kind of what made them be like, oh, okay. And they started connecting the dots as far as like, what the how is. So I would hope the same way that sparked that 10 years ago. I hope people look at this now and say, man, this is what happens if you don't grow up. This is what happens if you don't evolve. This is what happens if you don't heal. That's it. Like, that's it.

[B]

I don't mean to laugh, but oh.

[A]

My God, are you learning, though? You can laugh as long as you're learning.

[B]

Even before he came in, every time I report on him. And I think that's why, even though it does get difficult sometimes to, We've kind of figured out a balance of like me reaching out all that. Dame Dash can be a lot I still do it because there is a reverence of, like, I'm learning from what's happening to him, and the least I can do is extend a. Hey, do you have something to say?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I don't ever. I said it yesterday. I was like, I don't ever want to end up where, like, regardless of what he's claiming, why he had to do bankruptcy and all that, I don't want to end up like that. I don't. I just don't.

[A]

Chris, you've been around a while.

[E]

It's the same story. I mean, this is. This is nothing new. I might have told the story on the pod before, but he had. This was with Combat Jack. Now, Reggie. Combat Jack was Dame's very first lawyer.

[A]

Recipes, Combat, yes.

[E]

Rest in rip. Going back to the earliest days, he represented Dame and Dame's cousin. I think they had an Internet business before they were in the music thing. But anyway, Reggie wanted Dame to come on the Combat Jack show. Dame was like, I'm in a new stage in my life. I've turned over a new leaf. It's a new Dame. I'm not confrontational anymore. I want to do it, but I want to hear from you about what we're going to talk. He wanted to basically, like, feel ready out and make sure that he wasn't going to come after him. So Dame has, like, a studio or an event space down on Orchard street in the city. We went down there. There were all these people there. And, like, Dame started with this long speech about how it's a new chapter in his life and he's positive and it was cool. And we were talking, everything's good, and then slowly, like, Dame came out.

[A]

And it was cool.

[E]

Like, we were all laughing, but he was just like, reg, you were always the corniest motherfucker. You used to wear leather jackets with fringes. I can't even do it justice. It was funny, you know, and he was like, you thought you were Terrence Trent Darby. And, like, he's singing Wishing well to him.

[A]

Like, you started fucking with him, fucking with her.

[E]

And finally Reggie was like, I'm out of here, man. I remember they had a little balcony. We were having the meeting on the balcony, and we're leaving, and Dame is still on the balconies. Trent Darby lyric, you know?

[A]

And like, yeah, I'm with all that type of. He just.

[E]

It's who he is.

[A]

I'm with that. I respect that.

[E]

He's consistent. The guy is incredibly consistent.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

I don't know if it's Good for his health. I don't know if it's good for his business. Yeah, but this guy has not. He can talk about new chapters and knew this, like, that's who the guy is.

[A]

He's like, click the dead dad Dash one. Let's see this.

[C]

This was a master class. Like this.

[E]

I want to hear about the house thing, too. That was my favorite.

[A]

Y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

Y' all changed your whole life.

[A]

He did. I changed your whole life. You put me on the wall too much. Look. That changed his life.

[D]

How do you know y' all don't come outside? There's no windows in here.

[A]

This is crazy. Look at the dog. Yeah, y' all in the. Behind the stage.

[D]

A curtain. Y' all in the coffin.

[A]

I would never.

[D]

This is uninspiring. Dirty and all that.

[A]

You're a girl.

[D]

You clean this up.

[A]

Look at your sneakers. Your sneakers are dirty. Your sneakers filthy. That ain't like you d. See how you lying? They wrinkle.

[D]

I just put this on today.

[A]

I'm just with you. You know. You care too much about money and material things, man. You do.

[D]

You're contradicting yourself.

[A]

Your whole existence is money and material things. That's why now that you don't. Your whole existence is prove to everybody that you do.

[D]

Your whole expenses.

[A]

Your who existence is gay.

[D]

It sounds like you've been paid to do what you're doing. You should be objective on the radio.

[A]

Paid to do something. Then you wouldn't be in debt. Dead Dash. That's his new name. You should start a new label called Debt Jam. That's what you should start.

[D]

A fake laugh nobody's checking for.

[A]

There's layers to that. Let me tell you why there's layers to that. Because I always grew up hearing about Dame Dash never wearing the same sneakers twice.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So when he called our studio dirty, I didn't know if your sneakers was dirty or not. I'm just like, oh, watch this. Oh, your sneaker's dirty. I saw he. I knew that was gonna drive him crazy. I knew that he was gonna have to try to prove that his sneakers aren't dirty. I didn't know he was gonna take em off and show em to the camera. But I kind of figured he was gonna do something to let me just prove how superficial and materialistic he is. That's how much he cares about. About that.

[C]

Nah. But that's growing up like his OG don't care about that shit.

[A]

Nope. OG that's what I'm saying. Take your sneaker off the pool and.

[B]

Especially not that fast. OG Wait it out. Look at the room. Peep the room. Ding dash. Did it too fast.

[A]

You know what I wanted to ask you, Lauren, as a woman, how do you feel when people use girl as a slur? I didn't care about that.

[B]

I mean, maybe because it's you, too.

[A]

So it's like she was enjoying it. Cause I had somebody tell me that they don't like when guys do that. I never thought about it either, but it's like you're using girl as a slur.

[B]

See, that's what I'm saying. Like, I pick and choose when I throw the V, because I don't care about that. Like, I don't. Oh, girl. But you do have, like, girly things. You do your eyebrows. We talk about it all the time.

[A]

I don't get my eyebrows, though.

[B]

Your eyebrows love to clock it. You know, you do the little thing. Like, you just naturally, like, throw your hair sometimes. You know what I'm talking about? And then stand up, show them how you dance. Like, when you be dropping it and stuff.

[A]

It depends.

[B]

Like, you have things that you do that. Like, I'm like, okay. I could kind of see, like, you're not a disgrace to the masculine man, though. Like, he tried to make you seem, but I didn't. You know, I felt.

[A]

Let's play that one. Let's play that.

[C]

Just identify to me, that's the most secure. Like, that's the thing. It's like, I don't get why people try to make that a knock. It's like, hey, I'm so secure with myself that you could dance, you could drop it low, you could do any of that shit, and it don't affect him in any way.

[A]

The funniest shit in the interview. There was a point in the interview where Dame goes, you think I care what another girl thinks? So what are you saying? Dame? I'm like, dame. What do you mean? So are you saying you're a girl as well? What do you mean? Another girl?

[B]

I can't believe girls were calling you mad about this.

[A]

No.

[B]

Or women. I know women. I know people get mad when you say girl and not like a woman.

[A]

You ever heard that when you date, like, when you weaponize gay, it's the same thing. Like you're weaponizing somebody being like, as being a girl is a bad thing. Oh, when he threw the thing, he's like, you're a girl. Clean this up. As if. Only girls clean shit up. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know what about the.

[E]

Whole protection thing, that kind of caught me.

[B]

What do you mean?

[E]

I forget what it is exactly. But it was basically like.

[A]

I think it's in this. It's in the masculinity part.

[D]

All right, let's go find that representation of the masculine black man. You know what I'm saying? I don't think you guys are.

[A]

I'm listening. Okay.

[D]

Like your OG is Wendy Williams. My OG is sitting right here. You see him and I'm gonna tell you why he's my og. Cause he's not. Cause he killed anybody or any of those things. He just taught me how to be a better man. Wendy's not my og. Can you stop?

[A]

Wendy Williams was your og. Wasn't she your boss? Yeah, at one point.

[D]

So she was your og. She put you on. And you should give her her grace. And you should also give her her props. Out of respect, but because we have different trauma. Like, we're different. Like, I'm not the kind of guy that would, like, I'd rather get my ass whipped than run. But you're proud that you ran. Goddamn right I'd rather get my ass whipped. And it ain't no disrespect, but I kind of think you're gay. You just act a little.

[A]

Gay people. Not at all.

[D]

I've got a problem with people that pretend they're not gay. So let me. Let me tell you why.

[A]

Let me tell you why.

[D]

Let me tell you why.

[A]

Let me do it. This is hilarious.

[D]

So what I'm saying is you might. Because you started in gossip, which is, you know, is very. Is very feminine. And you want people to listen to you and that. We want people that represent masculinity. Because men need to be doing what they need to do as men. They don't need to be worried about girl stuff. Do you think he's masculine? Would you want this man around you? If 10 guys jumped you, you. He'd run and you'd have to run with him. I like my women to feel safe when they around me. I don't tell people, like, and I'm not saying that's your way, but you're just not masculine.

[A]

We should run.

[D]

I've seen him run.

[A]

How many people's genitals? I'm saying, let's go. We gonna get the fuck outta here.

[C]

You both running?

[A]

The fuck are we putting 10 people for?

[B]

I will say, yeah, you're not gonna run first.

[A]

Let's go. Let's get the fuck on.

[B]

But what if they start swinging and we can't run. What you gonna do?

[A]

You gonna try to get out there? That's different. You know what I'm saying? But if you can get out of there, you should try to skedaddle. I'm serious. If you can get out there, you should try to fucking skedaddle. Why would you sit around and fight 10 people?

[C]

What do you have to prove? There's nothing to prove. It's like, hey, at the end of the day, you should want to live.

[A]

Dame thought I was joking when I said to him, I think you're experiencing some type of head trauma because of that same situation. I was not joking when I said that. He paused it, but I'm dead serious. Like, there's something a little like. That's why I'm telling you, man, my dream. I would love to do a post game interview with a person like that. Like when after an interview like this and after, you know, you've watched it for a couple of days and you've seen the memes and seen how people took and, you know, perceived certain things, you want to sit down and let's have a conversation about this?

[B]

Yeah, I don't think it will work with him. There have to be like a spare.

[A]

No, it won't.

[B]

He gonna still come back in on. Like, you gonna get this. It's gonna be same Dame in the game.

[A]

So you're saying Dame can't have no accountability for nothing is what you're saying.

[B]

I think Dame can, but I think when lights, camera, action happens, you get Dame Dash rockefeller chain error 1. Like, it's. It's just. You're not gonna get that. I think you could. There's intelligence there. Like, I think people like to do that too. With Dame Dash. He has all of these things that we talk about, and it's funny, but, like, there is intelligence there. Like, he might not be Jay Z today, but he was around and he contributed to things. Like, let's not.

[A]

I don't see high emotional intelligence.

[B]

Not. But I think he.

[A]

I think I don't even really see high intellect intelligence, to be honest with you.

[B]

But that's what I'm saying. I think, I think all. All it is to me, when I was watching him, I think it's a.

[C]

Like, you don't get that.

[B]

There's like a masquerade.

[A]

But listen to what he says. All of y' all say this. You. You base it off what he's done. Nah, but I mean, talking about now in conversation, I don't. I'm not hearing anything that I've Been.

[B]

But I think he's hurt now. I think all of this, what we witness is like, he's a hurt boy who feels left behind, who feels uncared for, unappreciated and all of that. I mean. Cause that's. That's what it's giving. Dame Dash is a grown man, but. Yeah, but a child. Then y' all got.

[A]

That's the only thing I wish I would have said to him in this way.

[B]

Boy is a.

[A]

You can say it. You're a black woman.

[B]

I was trying to say, like, younger him. Like, that's what I was referring to.

[A]

Yeah, there's a hurt. I don't even know. I want to say there's a hurt young man inside of him, but I think it's more like a hurt 20 something. Cause he's kind of stuck in that. He's stuck at whatever his golden era was, you know what I mean? Like, when it was the height of everything, everything was moving, you know, you on stage, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, he don't realize that that's not that no more.

[C]

Yeah, he don't realize.

[A]

Yeah, he's like, I remember when I'm Gonna get yout Sucker. When the dude got out prison, he thought he was killing him with the zoot suit and the big ass hat and his tank fucking shoes on. That's like. That's. That's what Dame is right now. It's like, bro, go get a custom suit, okay? Your suit shouldn't fit like this. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's all I'm saying. Right?

[C]

See, but the reason why I don't think the post game interview would work, because look at the reception he got after that. And then look at his behavior online. He's still with the same behavior online days after. Which shows you he didn't learn a single thing.

[A]

He's playing the victim online. That hurt me a little bit. Like, come on, Dan, let's stick with the jokes.

[C]

But he's still lying.

[A]

Like, that is true.

[C]

He lied about being the chairman.

[A]

That is true.

[C]

The owner of Revolt said, you're not. And he's still like, yo, what you talking about?

[A]

That is true. He did that just to try to shit on Cam. Because, you know, Cam is at Revolt. He just wanted to be able to say, cam, I'm your boss. But by the way, literally, that's it. That's what he did that for.

[B]

That whole chairman play. Unless it's real and it just be like, you do it for a week Or a month, if that were what it was. It wasn't for marketing. You're still not really his boss. Like, it's a. It's a gimmick. It's a. You know what I mean? Like, what person you think is going to believe that you just. You file for bankruptcy one week, the next week, it's like, yo, I'm acquiring Vault tv. Like, I don't.

[C]

Like if.

[A]

I feel.

[C]

If he went about things differently. You can believe that because Trump has filed bankruptcy dozens of times. And look, he's still up.

[A]

Up right now.

[B]

But the. Like, that's like. That was like, last week. That hit the news, like, a week or two ago.

[A]

I am so glad that you just brought that up. And I am so gl. A man who actually wrote the Art of the Deal is here. Huh?

[E]

I did not write the Art of the Deal.

[A]

I thought you were about to write the article. What happened with that?

[E]

I was the ghostwriter on Ivanka's book.

[A]

Ivanka's book. But you've been around the Trump thing. I have. This is what I was trying to explain to Dane. Number one, Trump is not known as a good businessman. No. He's known as one of the worst businessmen and one of the biggest con artists. So what are you using him as an example for? And he kept saying, well, he's the president now. What that got to do with anything? Now he's running the grift as the president. That's why he's up.

[C]

But he still is up.

[B]

Is Trump broke?

[C]

He's still utilizing his position right now, whether it's legal or illegal.

[A]

No.

[C]

To get to curry favor. And people are just giving him gifts and money and crypto. No, I'm not saying it's right, but.

[A]

I'm just saying that's a con artist.

[C]

I'm not saying it's right.

[A]

Running a con.

[C]

But he's still up.

[A]

You call him Don the Con. That's literally his name.

[C]

Whether or not it's a con, he's still up is what I'm saying.

[A]

No, this generation has to stop thinking just being up by any means is a good thing. It's the same thing as content over everything.

[C]

I didn't say it's a good thing. I'm just saying that he is up. Whether it's legally, illegally, good or bad, he is up because right now he's manipulated the system to, hey, in order to curry favor or to be around me, you have to either give gifts, bend the knee, or like.

[A]

But why is that something to be Applauded.

[B]

Because people feel like that's how America works.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

For white men.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

And white men.

[B]

And Dame's point was, to your point, black people, remember he said black people don't understand filing for bankruptcy and how you supposed to maneuver that, and you basically using it as a tool. So his point is, if you look at what they're doing, they're doing it the right way.

[A]

But he used Donald Trump as an example. That's not the example to use for that. Am I lying, Chris? Am I trippin here?

[E]

I mean, I see what he's saying. I'm trying to think, did Elon Musk ever actually file for. I mean, there have been a lot of businessmen who've taken it really down, close to the bone and almost lost everything and then came back up. And that's part of their. Their myth, their trajectory. This is not what that is in this case, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like.

[B]

And by the way, he's good at perception.

[A]

Right. Like, I would say the same thing.

[E]

If I was him. I'd be like, look at Trump. He's declared bankruptcy. But these guys were playing with vast amounts of money and making these big bets and then bringing in money from other sources. I don't think anybody is looking at Dame, Dad. I could be wrong. For his sake, I hope I'm wrong. I don't think if you're a business person out there in control of capital right now, you're looking at Dame Devs on any of these shows and being like, that's a guy I want to invest money in right now. You might want to invest in his podcast. I mean, it's incredible content. You might want to give him a platform and try to monetize it. But, like, in terms of real business, people don't want to deal with this shit.

[A]

Yeah. And let me ask you this question. Has Donald Trump ever filed personal bankruptcy?

[E]

Well, he kind of.

[A]

I don't think he's ever filed personal bankruptcy. Dame's bankruptcy is personal, Right?

[B]

It was Chapter seven.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I would have to.

[A]

Because that's the difference, too. Personal bankruptcy. And saying one of your businesses are bankrupt is a completely different thing, too. But I don't care. I'm dumb. Listen, let's go back to the list, Chris. I'm not. Let's go back to the.

[E]

I want to hear about the house thing, because that's the one that really cracked me up.

[A]

Okay. We're getting there, Chris. We got plenty of time. What's the next one, y'? All?

[E]

We did coughing. We did coughing.

[A]

We did Coughing yeah, I want to talk about this play y' all in the coffin real quick. All right, let's do. This is fun. I didn't know I was going to have this much fun doing this post game like this.

[D]

There's no windows in here.

[A]

This is crazy. Look at the dog. We could open it.

[D]

I'm sure there's a curtain we can lift.

[A]

Yeah, y' all in the. Behind the stage. A curtain.

[D]

Y' all in a coffin.

[A]

I would never.

[D]

This is uninspiring shit. Dirty and all that shit.

[A]

You're a girl.

[D]

You clean this shit up.

[A]

Let me tell you something. That is not a coffin. Oh, he's hilarious. That is a. That's not a coffin. That is a room that has given me so much life. Okay. I love it in there. All right, that is. And by the way, that's the second room we've built. All right? Like we did one room that we built for 12, 13 years. That room gave me life. Now we in another room that we've been in for what, three, four years now, I think. And that room gave me life. I love it in there. Once again, there is nothing wrong with having a career. Do you love what it is that you do? If you wake up every morning or you get up at three in the afternoon, whatever your schedule is, as long as you love what it is you do, you are successful. That's why I always say success is subjective.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because success, Success is absolutely. Whatever you do that makes you happy. So even if you got a high paying job and you wake up in the morning, but you hate it and you hate doing it, you're not successful. You know, I. I'm beyond successful because I enjoy being in the studio.

[B]

Can we also. Can I ask you a question? Because you do, you're an entrepreneur and you're successful at that. But then you also have jobs, right? Being an entrepreneur is not easy. It's not this, like I'm skipping through this valley of money and all. Why does people like Dame dash and people make entrepreneurship seem like this, you unlock a new level of life.

[A]

Well, he doesn't.

[B]

That's hard. It's harder than working a job.

[A]

One thing I do give Dame is Dame says bosses take losses.

[B]

Yeah, that's his new series.

[A]

He just won't never, he won't never tell you how massive the loss is. But, you know, he doesn't glamorize it like entrepreneurship is so easy. You know what I mean? Like, he does show you that he's taking an L. I mean, we watching him now he's $25 million in debt.

[B]

But he. No, but he's. He's dressing that L up.

[A]

I give him.

[B]

Not like he's making it like, oh, you know what I mean? This is cute. This is what we do. We do bankruptcy over here and then we move on.

[A]

We don't. No, it's funny that he told us in the interview that he's not in debt no more. Like, yo, you just filed. Like that shit ain't going through yet. Like, what are you talking about? But this is what I mean. When you watch things after the fact. Cause you know, shit moving fast. It's like watching a game, shit moving fast when you in it and you know, and you making your plays, but then when you watch it back, you're like, oh, shit, I ain't catch that.

[E]

I missed that foul.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. That morning too, they, the attorney Chris Brown that he always talking about have filed saying that. And we brought this up in an interview that they feel like when he filed bankruptcy wise, it's fraudulent because they think he actually has money somewhere. He doesn't wanna pay this stuff off. And even with that, he was like, that's not true. That attorney don't know what he's talking about. And I'm like, whoa, bankruptcy don't. I mean, you gotta be approved. The debt has to be approved, right?

[A]

That was the most. Yes, and that was the most. That's the most interesting thing from this interview. I know everybody's paying attention to the revolt TV shit right now. We'll get to that. You know that, you know, he's not really the chairman, but if you have filed bankruptcy and your whole thing is you don't have it, why are you in an interview basically saying you have it, but you got it over here, you got it over there, and you put it over there and you put it over there. He literally goes, I got $5 million in the bank. Does that make me broke?

[C]

I'm like, that's why you got under.

[A]

His skin so bad.

[C]

Because it's like he wants to talk his shit, but then he doesn't want to jam himself up by saying everything that he got.

[A]

He kind of already did though. Yeah.

[C]

But he keeps saying, everything's in my family. Everything's in the family. Everything's in the family.

[A]

You said the bankruptcy lawyers was hitting Lauren up.

[B]

They said like, he's been calling me still, like, then he said anything that was said he can use and try and figure out, you know. Cause Right now, they're going back and forth via documents. Like, here's what Damon's saying I don't have. And here's what I owe. Here's what should be, like, wiped away. The attorney's like, uh, nope, he. Something not right. There's no way this should go through. The judge is like, show me everything y' all have, and I'm gonna make a decision. So they're like, well, first thing they said when they called me, what did he say about the bankruptcy? I said, you just need to watch the interview. I don't want to be the third in the middle party of this. And then they said, yeah, well, we gonna watch it.

[C]

Damn. Lauren's snitching out here.

[B]

No, I'm not. I said, leave me out of here.

[A]

Wear the wire, yo.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. No, he said we gonna snitch. He said, we gonna fall.

[B]

He said, y', all, you.

[A]

I'm a civilian. I can tell. I can say everything.

[B]

No, you're right. Cause I don't got nothing to do with.

[A]

Exactly. Atl. Lauren. Over here, son.

[E]

Atl.

[A]

Lauren.

[B]

Atl. They said I be yapping. Don't put me in. No.

[A]

Would you. Okay, let's say my house is bigger than yours. They the one you want, Chris. All right, man, I don't know you.

[D]

Okay, well, you make a lot of money?

[A]

No.

[D]

So you've been doing this every day your whole life, and you're not making no money?

[A]

Nope. Like you, Dan.

[D]

No, you're not like me.

[A]

What you mean? You say you don't have.

[D]

Do you have a family? I bet my house is bigger than yours. I bet all my houses are bigger than you. I better have a better.

[A]

How old are you now?

[D]

It's. How old are you?

[A]

That was hilarious.

[D]

You're in Paris? Yeah.

[A]

Cause I. I. Yeah. That's when I'm like, okay, this is boss, baby. I'd like to see your view.

[D]

Can you show me your view right now? Do you live in front of water?

[A]

We in my. Yeah.

[D]

A view of what you see when you relax when you're not here.

[B]

And I thought he was gonna get y' all with that one. Well, not you. Cause you don't show nothing to nobody ever. But I was like, envy about the pop. Envy about the pop.

[A]

I had envy prepared. Like, no.

[B]

I thought the queens to match my. With my card was about to come out of envy so bad. I'm like, please, no envy. No, no, no.

[A]

Not doing that. Nobody need to know about your trees.

[E]

That's what I was waiting. He Said he had the view. I was like, you know, but I.

[A]

Got the trees matter. Like, stuff like that is silly. That's what I mean when I say people who lead with money, that's all you got is your money. That is corny to me. I'm never going to be that person. You're never going to make me ever be like, yo, look. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're not about to have that conversation.

[C]

But you forced him to do that because you said. You said you don't got money.

[A]

No, I didn't. No, I didn't force him to do. Everybody needs to go back and watch this interview with Fresh Out.

[C]

I think he had to overcompensate because he stated that, oh, I don't have money. And then you pointed it out. You were like. You said, I don't have money. The same way you, like, you. You don't have money either. So now forcing him to be like, what you mean I don't got money?

[A]

I got da, da, da. So you, like, you put him in that position. I know it was an internal battle. Cause it was a mirror. I had a mirror in there the whole time. Like, literally, I'm Gavin Newsom, you Donald Trump. Everything you do, I'm going to do and then bring to your attention to you that you're doing it. And then now you got to deal with it. Now you're looking at yourself like, what the. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

You called him gay and then. And then I didn't call him.

[A]

No.

[C]

I mean, he called you gay. And he's like, you have a problem with gay people. It's just like, you just kept jamming them up.

[A]

If that's true.

[B]

Listen, there's. Baby, listen. There's a whole community that is pissed about that part of the conversation.

[A]

Oh, my God. Hold on. I was looking at my guy last.

[B]

Night because people are looking at it like it was homophobic. And I'm like. Because some people don't catch that as, like. Like, we joke. I feel like in our community, we joke about a lot of things.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot of people don't think that stuff like that is funny. When you say things like, men have to be out in order to be gay, they take that as you are basic. Like, there are men who live their life on the DL because they're in. They fear for their lives. So for you to say that, it's like, you don't understand that men are harmed because they live a lifestyle and things. Like, there's A whole conversation and community. You know that it's. That doesn't agree with that. Right. And he's just off the fly jokingly saying what he's saying. But like I was seeing some videos yesterday. I went down a rabbit hole on TikTok and there's a lot of.

[A]

Went down a butthole. See you part of the community.

[B]

So they not gonna mind.

[A]

Yeah, listen I went down a butthole too. Cause there was this one dude I can't be. And my wife was laughing at that shit last night. Let me see if I can find home.

[B]

Okay. The girls was upset.

[A]

Oh I will tell you, I didn't all types of.

[B]

Not even just black gay men. But like all I seen white gay men, black gay men, brown. Like people were upset. I'm like, I didn't even know Dane Dash's comments would reach this mutant group.

[A]

Yes, because it's the same thing as him using the girl as a slur. Like you're weaponizing gayness. That's why I kept saying. That's why I asked him a simple question. What is your problem with gay people? I don't have a problem with gay people. I have a problem with guys that don't want that. Don't want to say that gay. What if it's none of your business. What if to your point, they don't want nobody to know because they feel like they're going to be harmed? Like that's just a silly way of thinking, right?

[B]

If I bring up gay, you should just be quiet. Don't even. He fell right into them. All right.

[A]

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[F]

Okay, so sometimes you have to ask yourself, why do you demean, dislike and disrespect anything that looks like you? Well, you have to ask the Breakfast Club for sure, because Ben Shapiro gets on the Breakfast Club to explain how to debate productively across opposing views. Meanwhile, Dane Dash gets fact checked, laughed at, and questioned about whether he's even a part of revolt. This is the psychological sickness that's eating black culture alive. Ben Shapiro, a man who built his entire career on opposing black interests, arguing against systemic racism, promoting policies that are against black communities, he gets treated with deference and respect for his intellectual approach. But Dane Dash, who literally created Rockefeller Records, launched careers, preached black ownership for decades, built billion dollar brands from nothing, gets interrogated like everything he says is a lie. We give white voices credibility they never even earned while fact checking black pioneers who actually built something. This is about a historical pattern. We've been doing this since Elvis stole from black artists, since rock and roll got whitewashed, since jazz got repackaged for white consumption. Black culture creates white culture profits, and somehow we end up respecting the thieves more than we respect the originators. Dame Dash represents black ownership in an industry built on stealing from it. And instead of protecting him, we question his legitimacy while giving white voices platforms to explain why they deserve respect. I know you're going to say, well, dang, Dash, you know, he said this and that, and I'm not here to negate that, but I want to say agreement is not a requirement for respect. And they've proved that with Shapiro. They disagreed with his politics, but respected his right to explain his position without interruption, without laughing, and without fact checking. Dame Dash is a part of the historical side of hip hop, no matter if we give him credit or not. But we teach black people to question black anything while accepting white authority as true. We gotta remember those kids in the doll test, the ones who were asked, which doll is ugly, which doll is dumb? And they pointed to the black doll. Yeah, well, those kids grew up. They're adults now. They're voting. They're hiring, they're teaching, they're working at corporations. And still pointing at the black doll. Except now the doll is you. I'm Madam President with a z, and I'm 100% politically incorrect. And if you know this is to be true, comment. True. I want you to be a part of my community.

[A]

Salute to one Madam President. I watch her delivery was. I watched a lot of her. She's really good. She's really good. What's your thoughts?

[B]

Um, I think, number one, I don't know.

[A]

I.

[B]

We talked about this in the beginning of the interview. I have a respect for Dame Dash, but I do think energy matters. And I think the energy he came in with, with y', all, the way he tried to set the tone of the room and this and that and the third, I think if he had done the same room setting, but didn't come off like he was trying to sun y' all or like y' all work for him, the mood would have went a little different. I think that that was a big part of it. And I think Ben Shapiro in that interview, it was just. You didn't feel that, like, it was just a.

[A]

It's really that simple? Like, yes, you know, of course, you know, there's a lot of things I disagree with Ben Shapiro on, but Ben Shapiro didn't come in the room and call us stupid. Ben Shapiro didn't come in the room and call us gay. Ben Shapiro didn't come in the room and threatened to punch us in the face. Ben Shapiro didn't come in the room and call us federal informants. Ben Shapiro didn't come in the room and tell us our room ain't shit and it's dirty and we stuck in a coffin. Like, people are acting like we just caused Dame to act like that. No Dame came in there on that type of time. The man called us stupid within 5, 10 minutes after he asked us the question about the loan. Shit, the $180 million loan. That's cause you're dumb. That's cause you're stupid. I gave Dame a lot of grace and a lot of respect and a lot of reverence. You know what I'm saying? Let him get his shit off. Before I went there, do you think Ben Shapiro would have ever did that? And I would have just sat there and let Ben Shapiro get that shit over? Nope.

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

And in a conversation with Ben Shapiro, the things that I've pushed back on. I wanted to push back on. We pushed back on, and we had conversations about it. And then guess what? Two days later, Mehdi Hasan was in there. And Mehdi Hasan was in there smoking shit. And Mehdi Hassan wanted to reply to some of Shapiro's points. So my whole thing, when I see people do videos like that, it's like, it's kind of like you're just trying to create a narrative of Breakfast Club that don't really exist. Because we have so many super duper respectful conversations, of course, with black people. It's been 15 years, but the one Ben Shapiro comes on and we have a conversation with him once again, the things we want to push back on, we push back on the things that, you know, we might not be that well versed on. Hey, okay. He said them. We listening. Just like when Mehdi Hassan comes on, I'm listening to Mehdi Hasan. Or when Jasmine Crockett comes on, I'm listening to Jasmine Crockett. If it's something that I personally. And I'm like, nah, I'm not with that. Or, nah, that don't sound right. I'mma call it out. But to compare Dame Dash to Ben, you can't compare Dame Dash to nobody.

[B]

I was about to say too. I think the performance factor is a little different.

[A]

Like a little.

[B]

A lot of different. But Ben Shapiro, I will say this. Even though the tone is different, the energy is different, he know what the hell he be doing. Like, he know how to hit the points that get you. He know. Even when he was talking to me about the abortion conversation and he was sticking to his points, it was very like, fact this, fact that. And asking questions. I'm like, I can't emotionally, because he was getting me a little bit. Cause emotionally, as a woman, he knows how to talk to me about abortion in a way that, like, disarms me but also pisses me off. So then I lose what I'm saying. It's the same thing.

[A]

It was just a religious aspect.

[B]

But you know your trigger points when you're in a room. Dame Dash is the same way. He just goes about his trigger points differently. He knew to bring up Rico or whatever, the real estate stuff, when it came to envy. And he knew to bring up. Or he tried to bring up money or like, whatever with you because you don't showcase anything. So he's assuming you don't have it. Cause you don't show up.

[A]

No. You came at me with the gay and the gay.

[B]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Not knowing that I play gay all day.

[B]

You didn't be playing.

[A]

I like playing. I like playing gay. I like gay games. Like, it's fun to me.

[B]

Oh, which ones you be playing?

[A]

It's just hilarious. Like, my gay be a mold of a. A mold of a ass.

[B]

Like, you not gonna have you ever did poppers.

[A]

What is a popper?

[B]

Okay. You ain't that gay.

[A]

The fuck is a popper?

[B]

It's like a little thing that, you know, you take the girls that get it. Get it. It's like a little thing you take. It's like a sexual thing. But it. It's in the community. If you get that far. Call me before you start. Okay. I got some homies, I got my girls that could walk you through it if you get that far.

[A]

But.

[B]

But I think. No, but my point is, though, is that there's a very. There's a very stark difference. But I don't want that to come off as. Cause that it can. When you say that, that can sound like. Remember the lady that was interviewing Megda Stallion? She was like, your music just makes me wanna fight. And people were pissed off.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, what she. I believe she meant is the energy brings you up. But because Megda Stallion's black, you take it as disparaging thing. I'm not saying that because Dame Dash be rowdy. Black men are rowdy, and they deserve. Whatever. Whatever. But there's a difference in the energy. And that would have happened if Ben Shapiro or if there was a black talking head. Cause Candace Owens, y' all didn't drag her like people wanted y' all to.

[A]

I'm not like. I like having conversation.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

And if we disagree in the conversation, then we're gonna disagree and we're gonna have that. We're gonna have that conversation right then and there. But I like having conversations with people. I like having conversations with people that I don't agree with. I like having conversations with people who have totally different ideologies than me. Because sometimes I hear things and I'm like, oh, okay. And I learned things. You know me, like, I have no problem doing that. And, you know, Dame posted this video. He posted that video of one Madam President. And I'm like, dame, don't try to play victim. Cause there's one thing that she said in there that she was like, you know, I know y' all gonna say, dame said this and Dame said that. And, you know, we can't negate. I can't negate that. No, you can't.

[C]

That's the main thing. If he would have came in with respect, you would have shown him respect.

[A]

I told him in the interview. I'm giving you the same respect that you're giving the room. I said that to him.

[B]

It's the Dame Dash effect. I'm telling you because I always am. Like when I reported the whole revolt thing, people right now are still in my comments, like, you are tearing down the black man. This is Dame Dash. You understand what he did for culture. You wouldn't have a job at Breakfast Club. There wouldn't be black culture. There wouldn't disable all this stuff like they are. When I say the Dame Dashbots is there. That's not true, but it's because there is still.

[A]

I'll say that about Russell Simmons before. I definitely would say that about somebody.

[B]

Like Russell Simmons, but there are people who believe that because of what Dame Dash was a part of back then and what he built back then, he deserves that. I'mma roll out the red carpet. OG you do and say as you please. Because we're brought up that way in our households. You don't disrespect the elders and the people that you don't do that. My grandma can be wrong. I wish I would be like, it's different with grandma.

[A]

Them. You ain't letting Unc do that to you.

[B]

Who? Not me. I can't say nothing to my uncle.

[A]

Oh, they come a point in time, you know, as a. As a. As a. As a human that has a dick.

[B]

Oh, you know what I mean now, all right.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you. You're not gonna let the. Your father are your uncle. You gonna have a certain amount of respect. But yo, I'm. I'm a man too, at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna let. I'm gonna let certain. I'm gonna. Like, I'm gonna let you get to a certain point. But it's just like, eh.

[C]

And I don't even think you have to take that approach. You know how you just said you wouldn't talk back to your uncle like that. You wouldn't also let your uncle disrespect you, so you would probably check out of the conversation before you say something back. He's not gonna get up and walk out of his own interview. So he's going to address and give him the same energy that he's giving it one.

[A]

Madam President, you know, you would not let nobody play with you like that.

[B]

Oh, the way she.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I watch your videos.

[B]

It's like. I'm like, well, I Need to subscribe to her on Tik Tok because she could help me get my together and I, and I understand like did they big one. I'm looking at her, I'm like damn, I'm illiterate. Like she is, she was, she's fire like she just flow.

[A]

And I understand what she's saying, but it's just like yo, I, I, I think I'm pretty equal opportunity everything I'm equal opportunity bullshit with people and I'm equal opportunity respect with, with people.

[E]

Question based on what you said because I agree with you what you say about Russell being the real.

[A]

Absolutely.

[E]

Where would you put Dane? Would you put him in a category historically? I'm talking now maybe with like a baby and a masterpiece on that level.

[A]

I mean, here's the thing. All of these guys, all of those guys are some of the greatest moguls we've ever seen. Like they're definitely. Oh absolutely. Like, like you talking about hip hop moguls. For me, I'll just say music moguls. For me.

[E]

It's my personal the most credit because he did it first.

[A]

Russell and Andre Harrell, they created the blueprint. Russell Simmons and Andre Harrell created the blueprint to me when it comes to hip hop and R and B. Now of course you could talk about Barry Gordy then, but that was the Motown era. But I'm talking about for the era that I came up in, the era that I fell in love with. Like it was Russell Simmons with Def Jam, Andre Harrell with Uptown Records and then, you know, as time went on, Diddy with Bad Boy and Jay Z Biggs and Dame Dash with Roc A Fella. And then it was Master P and then it was Baby. And I throw J Prince in there in that mix as well. But them the ones to me.

[B]

But think about all the people you just named, right?

[A]

Oh, hold on. I missed one. Suge Knight and Death Row Records. Ok, that's the seven to me. It's Russell Simmons, Russell Simmons with Def Jam, Andre Harrell with Uptown Records, Diddy with Bad Boy, Jay Z Biggs and Dame with Rockefeller Masterpiece with no Limit, J Prince with Rap A Lot and Suge Knight with Death Row. That's the seven to me. That's the seven is God's number. Those that's the God.

[C]

Did you say Birdman?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, you said Birdman. Those are the God labels to me. Did I say Birdman? I think I put Birdman in that mix.

[E]

Did I honorable Mention. If not, it's eight, which is going back. Who Is it Cole chilling?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cole chillin.

[E]

We're on that level for a minute.

[C]

Who's cold Chillin?

[B]

I don't know who that is.

[E]

It was Marley Morrell. It was Big Daddy, Kane, Bizzy, Cool G. Rap like.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[E]

Mid to late 80s. They were also kind of.

[A]

Let me get this right. Because I want. When they. When they clipped this, I want to make sure I said all the right names. Russell Simmons with Def Jam. Andre Harrell with Uptown Records. Matter of fact, Andre is my favorite out of all of them. Russell Simmons with Def Jam. Andre Harrell with Uptown Diddy with Bad Boy J. Damon Biggs with Rockefeller. Master P with no Limit, Birdman. Cash Money. Birdman is Slim J. Prince would rap a lot. Oh, and Death rose was 8. Yeah, 8.

[E]

Some people would all. I don't think he had the breadth of artists, but would also put Uncle Luke and.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yes. You have to, you have to, you have to, you have to.

[A]

But I don't look at Luke as the label. I look at Luke and 2 Live Crew as a group. But you're right, though. He was the label. No, you're right, you're right. God damn.

[B]

I should an artist and sound.

[E]

And people would say Jermaine to Dupree. If you're talking about so. So Death, I think you get.

[B]

But that's. You get. He's younger than.

[A]

Right? Yeah, he's younger than all of them. No, no, Actually not the same time as rock. Yeah. So. So death was way social. Death was early 90s.

[B]

So.

[A]

So death was actually before all of them in a lot of way. Crisscross way before anything.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Dang.

[A]

Hold on. So we got to do a top 10. Yeah, you got to put Jermaine Dupri in there.

[C]

Would Ghostface be in there? Not Ghostface.

[A]

Ah, Rizzler. Nah. Cause Rizzler.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

The guy in Houston, Scarface.

[A]

Well, he's. That's J. Prince. That's rap a lot.

[C]

Oh, he was under it.

[A]

Yeah. That's rap a lot.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That's rap a lot. So that. That. Yeah. You gotta put Jermaine Dupree in there at top 10 for so so Def. You got to. Who would be the 10?

[B]

You just said 10.

[A]

I said that's nine. That was nine. When you add Jermaine to the eight. I did. That's nine. I mean, I guess he would have to put Uncle Luke with Luke Records, but I feel like.

[C]

Would Dr. Dre aftermath.

[A]

That's the new era. That's the new wave.

[C]

Isn't it, though?

[A]

To me. To me, Aftermath tde, that's like. Cause that's after all of those guys. All of those guys were already established and everything by the time Aftermath came around.

[C]

Yeah, but Eminem and Jay Z was saying.

[A]

But that's because he started the label Aftermath. But I'm saying that was literally after all of these guys waves. All of these guys have shown us the blueprint in some way, shape, or form. These 10 that I named, every single label that came after them got some of their DNA. Like, these are, like, the foundation, the pillars of, like, just hip hop as far as, like, music moguls are concerned. To me, anyway.

[B]

But that's the. What you just did and putting Dame on that list, right? Like, think about that list that you just said, and think about Dame Dash and the conversation we just had with him. That's what one Madam President is. She's looking at that list. She's looking at Dame and that nobody.

[A]

Else on that list acts like Dame.

[B]

Exactly. But I'm saying, people, still. There's a reverence for that.

[A]

What Birdman did when he came. Maybe it's me. No, but Bird. Even though, you know, maybe it is me. You're right. One Madam President.

[B]

Maybe it is me.

[A]

I mean, nigga, when my name come up, respect it. Let's go. Stop playing with my fucking name. All three of y'. All stop playing with my name. I ain't gonna say it no more. Put some respect on my name. You understand me? When y' all saying my name. Put some respect on.

[E]

Luke's had his moments.

[A]

Who?

[E]

Uncle Luke's had his moments.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm saying Birdman came in there with me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Luke never.

[B]

But Birdman wasn't all jokey, jokey, I'm taking my sneakers off.

[A]

He checked me once, but bastard feed know I got mad respect for him.

[B]

But the check is a little bit different. The energy, it was still very much like, you're not gonna play with me. But it was very different.

[A]

Birdman came in there with the smoke.

[B]

I believed Birdman. I was. I fear for you, but you be holding. You be. Yo. You be standing your ground.

[C]

So cool.

[B]

The beanie single clip. You know how many times I've watched that and been like, it could have been over for Charlamagne in this moment. The beanie sequel. Like, you. The interaction with your beanie sequel. Y' all in the studio. It's an old studio.

[A]

I don't be worried. I told y' all, there's Only one person ever in the history of Breakfast Club that made me feel like, yo, this is gonna be a situation. Like. And that was Nelly. Like, none of that. Like, none of these. Like, none of that other stuff. Like, Nelly is the only one. I'm like, oh, man, this is gonna be. This will be tough. You know what I'm saying? Like, Nelly in shape. And he was calm. Like, all that rah rah shit is not like. And I love beans, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, you talking about. Cause I think Mark asked me that earlier. He's like, you gonna be intimidated? No. You know what I'm saying? Like, Nenelli was the only one that's just like, I've only felt like that one. And by the way, I've only felt like that one other time in my whole radio career, period. And that was the other time was the first time I ever met Gucci, man.

[B]

Oh, old Gucci, man.

[A]

I was doing radio in Columbia, South Carolina, at Hot 103.9. And I'm sitting in the studio, and whoever was driving Gucci comes in the studio before Gucci and goes, yo, man, Gucci was talking cash shit about Jeezy on the way here. And I was like, talking shit about Jeezy, huh? Like, they got records together and shit like that. At least before anything, he was like, yes. And so Gucci walks in. Gucci had on a red bandana, some jean shorts, and like, a red shirt with a collar, like a polo type shirt. And I said, man, what you doing talking shit about, you know, jeez, we on the air. What you doing talking shit about Jeezy, you know what I mean? Y' all got records together. He looked at me, said, man, Jeezy ain't real, man. You know. You know, bitch ass nigga and all this. We on the air, right? And just something said to me in that moment, leave him the fuck alone. There's just something just in that moment, I'm saying, I just looked in his eyes and leave him alone. Just go on about your business. Whatever. Whatever, right? And then that night, we went to Gucci, performed at Club New Vibe, and Summer to South Carolina, and he did the Jeezy Diss record I forgot, which I think that's the one where he said, if I don't something something, I'mma catch coach. I forgot. I forgot what the name of that record was. But he did the Diss record. And my man D. Nice was DJ Fahrenheit's cousin. He's DJ Fahrenheit's cousin. Salute to D Nice and Fahrenheit and D Nice called Fahrenheit. I was like, yo, Gucci just this cheesy in the club, blah, blah blah, this and that. And then that's when the whole next thing you know, a week later, stay scrap came out and all that shit happened.

[B]

Y' all be with your little Milk Dud head ass. Like, they just. He be with yo something about you. Maybe it's, he just, he, he's been seeing it for you. Cause it's a lot of times where people should have.

[A]

Well, but I think another reason that I, I, I, I come from that, like, I grew up around some wild motherfuckers. Like, I know what that looks like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I can recognize. I know what it looks like with, from, from, from the perspective of a Gucci. The whole spectrum. From the perspective of a Gucci, there's somebody like Anelli or you think you're gonna play with him Cause he pretty. Oh, that's what you think, huh? Okay. All right. Same type of energy. All right. And they gonna see about your issue. If you got some shit going on and you want to play with them, they're gonna see about your issue. But my thing is this. I'm also not afraid to get beat up. That's happened to me in my life too. Way before breakfast, I done took a couple of good ass kickings in my life. Now that's the people I respect. The people who take some ass kickings and keep on motherfucking talking even after the ass kicking. Those are the type of people I respect. So, yeah, I done won some and I done lost some. It's just at the end of the day.

[B]

So you see what Dane was talking about when he was like, why you run, you take the, you know, you get beat up and you just, you.

[E]

Also didn't know who you were running from, which was my response to that thing. You're in a club and you're beefing with people. You know who you're dealing with. If people just roll on you on the street, you don't have any context.

[A]

It's four o' clock in the morning. Yeah. Like you don't know. It's like if somebody wakes up at 5 o' clock in the morning to jump you, they got a plan. Yo, you gonna sit there and let that plan go through? There's a plan.

[B]

Anybody come to your house, definitely got something going on.

[C]

You don't know if they got weapons. Like, you don't know.

[A]

Like, that you don't go out of.

[B]

Nobody house without no weapon.

[A]

One runs up on you with a camera, the other comes up behind you, by the way. And I told this story before they lined it up. Even the day before. The day before, I walked. I didn't park in the parking lot. I had got dropped off to the front of the building. And so I had walked in the building, and somebody came in there with a camera. Like, yo, yo, Charl, man, let me get a drop. So that was. They were scoping the scene to see how this shit works. They might have been doing that shit for a few days to know, okay, he walks from the parking lot to the building every day, right? And that's what happened. So it's like, yo, dude run up on you with a camera. That's why I stayed at the camera. Yo, what's up with y' all in these drops? Cause the guy had already been there the day before.

[B]

I've been doing this all week. Y' all back again?

[A]

You're back again. Fucking again. And then, dude hit me in the back of the head. Hey, it is. I'm not standing around to let y' all plan go through.

[B]

That's why. Cause, okay, I mean, I saw the videos, but now understanding the talk through of it, that's why at court, you used to always. I'm like, you're making me nervous. She used to be like, you need to be out there with security. You shouldn't just be outside the courtroom, people running up on you. I'm like, you're making me nervous, Charlotte. But I get it. Ptsd.

[A]

Yes. And that was the second time. The second time I got jumped, there was a video of that, but it was just like, I didn't get jumped. This dude tried to fight me in the drugstore across the street.

[C]

I thought it was.

[B]

Oh, that's the one.

[C]

You thought it was the atm.

[A]

Yeah. I went to the drugstore to use the atm. I went to the drug store to use the atm, because I'm coming out the atm, this dude swung on me. Ask Envy how that went.

[B]

And did you knock him out?

[A]

Ask G Spin how that went. You know what I'm saying? Ask Dia Mitchum how that went. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause there was a video. And if I cared about shit like that, if my ego made me say, you know what? I gotta prove to people that I'm tough. I could easily put that video up. I really don't. I don't care about shit like that. I Do not lead with ego. That's what I want people to take away from interviews like this Dame Dash interview. Do not lead with ego. Do not let your pride cause you to jump out there and say things like, you're the new chairman of a revolt and you're about to buy.

[C]

Like, to me, I thought that was stupid, that he was prideful that he took on 30 guys. Like, that's just stupid. If he would have lost his life, we all would have been like, dumbass. Why the fuck you gonna stop and fight 30 people?

[B]

But sometimes that's where people come from. Cause I know people that literally, like, they not walk you. Like, I know people right now. You could be one person. You roll up on them, trying to rob them, they will tell you, you gonna have to kill me. Like, there are people. And it might be stupid. It might be. But I'm saying there are people who are raised by certain things that you're never gonna convince them it's dumb. There's nothing you can do.

[C]

But that's that you have to eventually grow up and mature. Like, we can't just.

[B]

But to grow up and mature is different for you. Or Charlamagne or whatever. Like, I literally have homies right now. Where I'm from. That what we talking about right now. They like, oh, yeah, y' all some bitches. Like, they. It's not, but they're. Cause their grow up is different. What have they experienced? That's how they live their life.

[A]

And neither one of y' all are wrong. But what Alex is saying, if you do beat up 30 people, you should brag about it. It's one thing to be like, oh, they could have killed you. They didn't. You know what I'm saying? If you come out unscathed and you got the best of which I don't believe it was 30 people. Like, but whatever. If you do get the best of these individuals, yeah, you should talk shit about it. But that's not nothing to brag and tell other people. That situation is going to end for them in that way.

[B]

Yeah. You know, how old were you when they. When all them people tried to jump on you?

[A]

What year was that?

[C]

It's probably like 10 years ago, 12 years ago.

[A]

No longer than that. We've been doing Breakfast Club 15.

[B]

Oh, so you were like, in your 30s? Yeah, I'm just saying because you're kids.

[E]

Yeah, that's the answer.

[A]

Yeah, my daughter had my mom.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Kid. Just get out of there, man. If I didn't have a kid, I'm getting The fuck out of there.

[B]

Your sprint was just good. I don't know. Could you still sprint like that? You get under there right now. Okay.

[A]

It was just a little light jog. I jogged off, and then the car came, and I turned around. I assessed the situation. Oh, there's two motherfuckers over there. Two motherfuckers over there.

[B]

Maybe one day you make that look bad.

[A]

Skedaddle. That's called a skedaddle. You know what's so funny? If somebody was smart, y' all Internet motherfuckers ain't smart. You should go get Jay Z's reaction to that and then tame Dash's reaction and put them together. Go back and watch Jay Z's interview on Breakfast Club. Jay Z had a reaction. Jay Z laughed at that video a lot. He laughed at that video a lot. Okay. But he also said that gave him some really unique insights into my personality and the way that I think.

[B]

When you saw Charlamagne getting chased outside the building, did you laugh?

[A]

That was pretty funny. I laughed really hard. Listen, you got to see the other video. It's another video. There's no other video. No, no, no. Some cats tried to get me in the store, and it's a surveillance video. Like, no one.

[B]

Not somebody.

[A]

One guy. The one thing I liked about it, I mean, because you can't help that if somebody just run up on you and knock you inside your head, you know? I mean, it just. I'm shocked. I'm starting. I'm like, I know that is what it is. That can happen to anybody. The way you saw it coming. He seen it. That was a good. That was the thing I saw. I was like, okay, that was. That was, you know, little nuances of your personality. You saw it come. You knew that thing was coming.

[D]

He was genuine.

[A]

You know what gave it away, though?

[B]

What?

[A]

The camera. Yeah. World star era. Like, nothing's good is going to come with this situation. I'm getting out of here. I'm not letting these guys plan go through it. Dame Dash lied about being chairman. Have we got any corrections on this yet?

[B]

As far as what?

[A]

Just in general. I know he. This is what he said on. Okay, so CEO Revolt CEO confirms. Let me see the headline, Chris. Yeah. Revolt CEO confirms. Dame Dash is not the chairman of company. There is no acquisition path on the table. I don't know why Dame. Well, I do know why Dame said this. Dame said this is because he was trying to get one up on camp, which is. It's never that serious, which is crazy.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

It's never that serious.

[C]

That's his man. Why would you want to do that to your man?

[A]

Well, they beefing right now.

[B]

Yeah, they ain't deigning the best side.

[A]

It's not real, it's not beef. But they going back and forth right now. And I think that the one thing I will say that dame is not admitting. I don't think his feelings are hurt. And oh yeah, if that's your man, like, that's your guy. That was your young dude. He was with you all the time. You showed him the ropes, you know, you put him in positions in a lot of ways, you know. And now y' all got an issue. He gonna feel away. But it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. You not gonna keep playing with me, Unc. I'm a grown ass man now too.

[B]

Yeah, I feel that.

[A]

That's what Cam is. That cam is like, yo, you ain't that no more. Like you, you. You can't beat me in a 40 yard dash.

[B]

You should play the one where he in the kitchen.

[A]

Oh, yeah, go, go. Yeah, go to the one where he's in the kitchen. Right, that one.

[B]

That one.

[A]

Yeah, that one. Chris.

[G]

N n, n, n N. Bro, I ain't know you be lying like this, bro. I know you'd be lying like this. Yo, it's sad. They told me, but you know, when a young man, you don't pay attention to a lot of. I didn't know, bro, that you're a flagrant line like this, man. Now look, talk with Fleet. Come on. Tomorrow, 5pm on reverse YouTube. But that was that he talked about last week. So part two will be out this Friday on Revolt YouTube about what he talked about this week. But I'll say this one thing, this is what I will say. The called Revolt last week and say he wants to put his content on Revolt channel. Revolt programming is booked up until 2026. They don't have any room for programming. So maybe in 2026 or whatever. So I have two more shows I could do this year. And so when I found that out, I called my man Cindy because I know if Indy and Dane speak. I said, yo, tell, tell Dane I put his shows on my slot on Revolt because I have two more shows I could put on Revolt if I can executive produce the shows. I said, he did it for me when I needed help, he put his out. He put my albums out on Rockefeller and I let him executive producer. I'm trying to do the same thing for you. I got two slots left. If you want two shows on Revolt this year and you wasn't getting paid because you said you do it for free. I got a couple dollars for you. I'm just the executive producer of the show. He tell Fendi first. He tell Fendi? Yeah, he like, I bet not. Matter of fact, that I'm the Godfather. He can't produce. Executive produce. My shows their own God. Kids don't want you. How you the Godfather? Anything. Your word don't count no more. You don't got teeth, dentures. Your word don't mean nothing. You fell off the Mount Rushmore, Harlem a long time ago. But we'll address it all tomorrow and Friday. But don't say I ain't trying to help out. You didn't want me executive produce your TV shows. Could have walked it right in for you. See you tomorrow. Talk with Flea N if you.

[B]

Damn. You're not taking that, though. Like, even if he would humble himself and put the ego to the side in the midst of what they got going on, you're not doing that. You wouldn't even do that, Charlotte.

[A]

Do what?

[B]

Like, if you are going back and forth with somebody and you are trying to get content somewhere, they can walk you right in the door, you're not. You're not going through them. It's just.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I feel like there's principle as a man and there's a lot of ego with y' all men that your ego wouldn't even allow you as a man to take that hand. Like, that's not even a Dame Dash thing. That's not a Dame Dash thing. That's a male ego thing. Like, it's not.

[A]

Hold on. Say that again. Hold on.

[B]

As a.

[A]

Say that again.

[B]

So. So I'm saying Dame Dash. Saying that's not happening. I'm not doing that right. That's not just a Dame Dash thing. Now, I'm the Godfather. That's a Dame Dash thing. But him saying no to that, I think that's just a male ego thing.

[A]

Well, that's corny. And not only is it corny. No, no, no, it's corny. And it goes against a lot of what Dame has taught us. What was one of Jay Z's favorite lines, I mean, famous lines that Dame reiterated to DJ Clue's crew in Backstage. If everybody in your clique is rich, your clique is rugged, nobody will fall. So everybody will be each other's crutches. I'm happy that my young boy is in a situation now to where he can bring me into a TV Network. Why would I ever let my ego get in the way of that? The same way I looked out for him when I was in position and got him in position. I'm happy that he's in position now and can look out for me.

[B]

If stuff was good.

[C]

If stuff was good.

[B]

But if it's your young boy that you're going back and forth with and you know what I'm saying, like, you just saw what Cameron did with the gooding, you know, that whole situation and the fake movie, and you just don't know what you walking into.

[A]

So you don't want Cam to do that to you. So much so that you'll come on Breakfast Club and lie about being the chairman of Revolt to pretend to be Cam's boss.

[B]

That's a damn thing. I'm just talking about the overall. Now, that's a. I don't care.

[A]

That's the head trauma from getting jumped in Paris to wherever the fuck was. That's inside insanity to me. But to Anthea. No, I don't care who it is. Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

[C]

When that's one thing where you have it a little bit. If you're not. If you're not on a good page with somebody and you know that even though. If they can plug you into something and you could probably get yourself in that door yourself, you're not going to want that person that you're not on a good page with to be executive producer of your show if you feel you can do it yourself.

[E]

Foot in the door. That's the whole point. There were enough slots. Cam had two slots.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's what Cam is claiming.

[A]

But I think, you know, I don't know, man.

[E]

And business life is about. To me, it's about opportunity and leverage.

[A]

That's right.

[E]

That's all it is. If you don't have the leverage, then. That's right, the opportunity. And you use the opportunity to create the leverage. And then once you have it, then you go forth with it.

[A]

There's no permanent friends or enemies when it comes to business. And, like, there's plenty of people that I might. Now, don't get me wrong, there's people I just would choose not to fuck with because of their energy. But even if I don't fuck with you that much, but I'm like, yo, you know what? That person is super talented. And that is a great idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I can make it happen, I'm gonna make it happen.

[E]

They made money together in the past, huh? And They've made money together in the past.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Where did their beef start? I missed that.

[A]

Harlem, okay? I don't fucking know.

[B]

I don't even remember.

[A]

I have no idea.

[C]

That also depends on, like, how all.

[B]

I remember is all I remember. And it probably was before. This is Dame Dash getting upset about Cameron speaking about the money stuff. Like the things that he was dealing with money wise. And then that kind of started the responses. But then there was something like he was upset that he was sitting with mace and then the 50 thing came in. I don't. I just remember the money thing. That was the first time I caught wind of it. Like, okay, everybody talks about Dame and money, and Cam's on a platform now. You know what I mean? So it's.

[A]

And I will say too, man, something else Cam said in there, that's very true. When it comes to the OGs, like, they gonna. The young boys are gonna respect you, or young men are gonna respect you until they feel like you not respecting yourself. Cause he's like, yo, you ain't even got no teeth. You know what I mean? Like, for real, you love your uncle, you love your pops, but if your pops on dope and they start looking bad, you gonna feel bad for a minute. But if they start looking bad and then still treating everybody around them bad and acting like everybody ain't shit, you gonna have something to say, you know? So if you a og, man, the best thing you can do is keep yourself looking healthy, keep yourself looking good. Make sure that you got, you know, something going on in your life, right? Like, so people don't ever look at you like, yo, you don't got nothing, nothing to offer us anymore. Like, nothing. Like, people don't. That's the worst position to be in, to be an OG who's done so much. But now people don't even want to hear from you no more.

[B]

But it's crazy because there are people who still want to hear from Dame Dash.

[A]

I still want to hear from Dame Dash, but for strictly entertainment purposes. I like him for the comedy.

[C]

How I would like for him to grow up and become the Dame Dash he used to be. In just a mature fashion.

[A]

I know a lot of that's a total country. He's oxymoron. You can't be the Dame Dash you used to be.

[C]

I mean, still grow up the type of moves he was making before.

[B]

But just like, you want to hear him talk business and, like. But be mature about it and not be what we see right now.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

You would learn from him at that point.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

But Dame accomplished a lot by being headstrong and confident and arrogant and cocky. Right. Like, that was his secret weapon of all those moments.

[A]

No, you know what Dame's real secret weapon was?

[E]

Being aligned with a great rapper.

[A]

Relationships.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And what does he not have right now? Relationships. Relationships has always been Dame's greatest strength. Kanye West, Jay Z, like, all the artists on Rockefeller, the stuff he was doing in the clothing world. Like, his relationships. He talks about building a hundred million dollar business with his ex wife. Raise your relationships, like. And that's cool. Like, you need somebody who has the talent and somebody who can motherfucking, you know, go in there and amplify that talent. Whether it's going in these corporate boardrooms and yelling whatever the fuck it is. You just need that. But all I'm simply saying is there's a lot of individuals that were aligned with him that kept going.

[B]

That's what's so crazy.

[A]

He needs good. He needs relationships. Dame, you need relationships. Like, I'm listening to Dame talk, I'm like, damn, Dame, I could have got you a book deal with Simon and Schuster. I got a book imprint.

[B]

No, but you know what's crazy? When he said that, I'm like, it's so insane. Cause, like, you are at this point, you the brand ambassador for Simon and Schuster.

[A]

Well, no, not really.

[B]

In your imprint. Yes. When people think there's a certain community of people that only know of them because of you in the books that you brought through your imprint.

[A]

Well, I want to salute Charles suit.

[B]

Yes. And Charles as well.

[A]

Because, you know. Yeah. I mean, me and Charles do what we do as far as, you know, culture up there at Simon and Schuther. But yeah, I could have got Dame or booked him.

[B]

Would you have done it, though, if Dame reached out to you? No. Interview like this and say, yo, this is what I'm trying to do, blah, blah. Would you have made the phone call? Cause I don't think you would have.

[A]

Would I have? Yes. I'll tell you something. There was a time where I was like, damn, Dane would be very interesting to do X, Y and Z with. And one of my partners was like, absolutely not. Like, absolutely not. No, he said, absolutely not. I don't want nothing to do with it. You know what I'm saying? So I just. I'm like, all right, cool. You know what I'm saying? Like, out of respect. Cause, you know, I'm like, all right. Cause I would. If I felt that strongly about something, I would want my partner to Feel the same way. So my point is, you know, there is certain bridges that he's already burnt that don't got nothing to do with me. So would I have made that phone call? The reason I hesitated when you said that is simply because I thought about, you know, that person when that person said that to me. But for a book, I probably would have. Cause it's like you don't have to be hands on with a book. That's how Damien started talking about passing the plug. That's just passing the plug. Even if I didn't want it on Black Privilege Publishing, I'm like, yo, Simon and Schuster, this guy right here got an amazing story. You know, y' all should do something with him.

[B]

The only reason why I said I didn't think you would, not that you would hate on it, but because you can't control how he deals with them once you pass it.

[A]

That's the problem.

[B]

And that is like, that's a scary thing.

[A]

That's the problem. That's the problem. What Lauren said is absolutely true. See, when you pass the plug to certain people, when they go in there and then the people that you pass to have a very bad experience now.

[B]

They looking at you like, yo, what's up?

[A]

And that fucks up the next person you co sign. So what Lauren is saying is very, very true. That's why you really gotta watch how people treat others because you'll know how they will eventually treat everybody. The way somebody treats you or the way somebody treats other people. Eventually it's going to be your turn. So why would you pass that energy on to somebody else knowing what's going to happen, man. But Dame, I hope you heal and you know, until next time. Okay, great. Until next time. You know, maybe I don't know if I'll be on Breakfast club in another 10 years. Cause it's been 10 years. Wow. But no, he. No, actually it's his third time on Breakfast Club. Yeah.

[C]

I thought it was five years ago.

[A]

No, that Dame Dash interview was a decade ago.

[C]

Oh, really?

[A]

Absolutely. That was like 2014, 2015. When was the first Dame Dash? My son sells cookies. Oh, right. That was the one. That was like a decade ago. Easy.

[B]

10 years ago.

[A]

Wow. Yeah. He came to Breakfast Club one other time after that, but it was uneventful. But yes. Yeah, 10 years. That was 10 years ago. Let's pay some bills, man. This episode has also been brought to you by bluechew.

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[A]

No.

[B]

When you gonna come?

[A]

I don't know. I'm not gonna lie to you. I like Delaware, though. I'm not.

[B]

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[A]

No, I'm not coming to this, but I.

[B]

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[A]

Is there a website or something they can go through?

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[A]

Shout out to Mona.

[B]

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Oh, yeah. Shout out to Suki.

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[A]

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[E]

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[A]

Hunter.

[B]

Oh, you know, Hunter is the real mvp.

[C]

You got Hunter Biden.

[A]

Let me tell y' all something.

[B]

Yeah, that's Delaware.

[A]

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[B]

Listen, I mean, this shit.

[A]

Wait until y' all read Vice President Kamala Harris book.

[E]

Oh, you didn't bring that, did you?

[A]

No, I didn't bring it.

[B]

I started reading. I read the Atlantic excerpt.

[A]

I'm almost over. I'm on day two. Because the book starts off 107 days and counts down to election day.

[B]

It make you hate him.

[A]

Oh, it's over for Biden's legacy. I never thought he had much of a legacy anyway, but it's over.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

It's over.

[B]

I'm not surprised at that.

[A]

The Democratic Party is in the position it's in. Not because of Biden, but he damn sure didn't help it. And when you hear Pete Buttigieg say things like, we shouldn't have ran Biden in 2024. And you hear the Vice president, Kamala Harris, make it very clear that she literally says in the book, it shouldn't have been a decision that was just based on his ego.

[B]

Yes, she did.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, it should not have just been based solely on his ego. And just the way that the Biden administration, you know, I always say, if you're not, you don't gotta try to help me, but don't hurt me. The way the Biden administration tried to undermine the vp, People gonna try to say, she playing victim. No, she's not playing victim. She telling her truth.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

I don't think if this is her truth, this is not playing victim at all. So, yeah, that Biden legacy, I never thought he had much in one anyway. It's definitely a rap. Now.

[B]

I don't even know if that matters for him. Like, at this point, he.

[C]

Trust me, that's.

[A]

All he cares about.

[B]

What was the biggest. Oh, my God.

[A]

I don't wanna give away a lot in the book, but I'm gonna wait till the book comes out. There's moments you like, what?

[B]

I felt like that from the 3,000 words I read, it's illegal.

[A]

Like, fuck. Shit. Yo. She talks about how he called her on debate day just to basically be like, yo, make sure you uphold my legacy. And telling her that there's these guys that I want you to meet. They're not really sold on you, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, why would you call me on debate day to tell me this out of all days? Not that bad.

[C]

I know that's not a bad, but her debate day or his.

[A]

Her debate day against Trump, her debate day. He's calling her to tell her, hey, there's these guys, these big donors, they not really feeling you, blah, blah, blah. I'm gonna want you to meet them. Whatever, whatever. And then, hey, you know, make sure, you know, you uphold my legacy. You know, you shouldn't really split on me on some things. Like, that's what cost her the fucking election.

[C]

I mean, but it might have ignited the fire. Cause she killed that debate.

[A]

Yeah, so?

[C]

And so maybe sometimes you need a little.

[A]

When you read it, you're gonna be like, damn, that's literally what cost her the election. So it's over for that Biden legacy Mental wealth Expo. Saturday, October 11th 11am to 4pm My fifth annual Mental Wealth Expo is happening at the Joel and Diane Bloom Wellness and Event center in Newark, New Jersey. It is A day of mental health education and healing. Dr. Alfie Breland Noble will be there. Debbie Brown will be there. Jason Wilson will be there. Angela rye will be. Dr. J. Barnett. Dr. Rita Walker, Corey Minor Smith, Elliot, Connie, just to name a few. Man, we got some really incredible people that's gonna be there. I just named you some of the best mental health professionals in the country, and it is a free event. Free? Free. Free. You know, I do it free every year, man. Cause I just want people to come out there and get this information. The day of mental health education and healing, October 11, at the Joelle and Diane Bloom Wellness and Event center in Newark, New Jersey.

[B]

I always want to come every year, but you always do it on my homecoming day.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

Like, I feel like I need to be there. Like, I need the healing.

[A]

Yeah. That's why I want you to keep going to homecoming. When you keep going to homecoming and getting drunk and, you know, having things happen to you, you know, we'll be happy you got a man now, though.

[B]

Wait, hold on. What? Don't you gotta. You can't just say, you go to homecoming, get drunk, and things happen to you? What the hell is wrong with you?

[A]

What?

[B]

That sound crazy?

[A]

I'm just saying.

[B]

What are you saying?

[A]

You was in there this morning. I'm not gonna say. I'm just gonna say you said something. But you did say something about plan B. That was crazy.

[B]

You always. I don't know what you're talking about.

[A]

Yeah, now you don't know what I'm talking about.

[B]

You always trying.

[A]

You said crazy about plan B this way.

[B]

Trying to plan A. I believe in plan B. I only work with plan A. That's been my whole life.

[A]

She was like, yo, you gotta add it to your dietary plan. I'm like, what? Who?

[B]

What?

[A]

What?

[B]

That is not what I said.

[A]

What. What are you saying?

[B]

Just run the tape.

[A]

No, you didn't say it on air.

[B]

I don't know who she's talking about.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

Run the tape.

[A]

All right. That's all I'm saying. I was just like, God damn it.

[B]

Be their own people with one Madam President. It's your own people.

[F]

Own people.

[A]

But I get it. You know, you went to hbcu. You. You know.

[B]

Oh, so now what?

[A]

There was a time you was a wild girl.

[B]

No, there was not. I've been in a relationship for, like, ever, and then I got out of one, and now I'm. You know.

[A]

That wasn't the case.

[C]

Just last time he was on.

[B]

What?

[C]

Weren't you dating Two guys before you was with your current person?

[B]

Church.

[A]

He was one of them. He was in the rotation.

[B]

Yo, we went from church announcements to altar call. Y' all are trying to deliver me, and I'm not going. Leave me alone. What is happening?

[C]

I'm just trying to learn.

[A]

We just trying to learn.

[B]

Just please. I just. I do want to check in with, like, the mental health stuff. I feel like I got some things I need to figure out, but. So switch the date.

[A]

I mean, you can't. World Mental health day is October 10th, so it's gonna always be around our.

[B]

They never want Del State to heal. It's cool. They'll always do that, though.

[A]

Oh, it's Biden's fault. Shout out to Cameron once again. I know we've been talking about it is what it is a lot, but we discussed this on the radio this morning. He had Adrien Broner on, and he had Adrien Broner removed from the episode because she kept disrespecting Treasure. Stat. Baby Wilson, hear some of this. You look so good in person. Thank you.

[B]

Appreciate that.

[A]

Hey, what you wasted at? I love you.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I'm. My bad, y'. All. My bad. Arabia. Is that a real background? Hey, Stat. Could you stop smell? Can you stop smiling?

[G]

Arabia is now your bro. Yo, bro, we gotta.

[A]

Oh. Oh.

[G]

I told you that.

[A]

My bad. My bad.

[G]

Like, it's all like. Okay, we. Guess we can move on to football.

[B]

What's that?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[G]

Just that. Let's do the football, I guess I answered the question about Floyd. When I see. When I see you taking off sometimes.

[A]

Mesmerized by stat here, bro. I did not know you looked that good in person. My bad, bro. You amazing. All right.

[G]

Hey, we gonna have to ask you to go. My. I mean, I have to ask you to go, man. I'm gonna pay you for your time for being here. I appreciate you. I love you. My.

[A]

I'm not doing it again.

[G]

Yeah. No, no, no. I can't. I asked you the first time. I don't have no problems with you, but I'm gonna pay you for your time. But you can't validate, bro. I told you that.

[A]

I'm not, though. I'm not.

[G]

I told you boyfriends on here. You know.

[A]

My bad. Nah, nah.

[G]

But I appreciate your time.

[A]

It's me. It's me.

[G]

Well, if you want to wait for us outside, you could, but I'm not gonna sit and not value your time neither.

[A]

You know, it was interesting to me because I was telling Lauren and Jess hilarious earlier that this is an easy situation to read for Cam because, you know, he. Her boyfriend was there and he told AB to stop disrespecting her one time, and he kept doing it. So he asked him to leave. It's kind of hard in these settings, you know what I mean? Because that's what guys do in these entertainment settings. I'm not talking about when the camera's not rolling. I'm talking about when the cameras are rolling just like this. And when a woman is performing like a Lauren or a Jess does or a stat baby, it's just like, you don't know what's what sometime.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I also think too. What you about to say. Oh, no, I was gonna say, I also think too, as women sometimes, like, you're okay. Like, I mean, I don't do it now. Cause, like, my man be watching. But before that, I didn't mind like, when David Banner came up and like, we having a good time and it's fun and it goes with the content, the space. And sometimes like.

[A]

Oh, you gave him the number.

[B]

No, you gave him my number. And I called, I said, where did he get my number from? And you said, I gave it to him.

[A]

You know what? Why you're a journalist.

[C]

Like, you gotta. You need access to that.

[A]

But I also thought I was throwing an alley oop. Cause the way she was melting my g. Like, she was in there on some. Like. Oh, my God. I was not David Banner. Like, he smells so good. He looks so good. You was in there. Like, you turned into fucking slime in the.

[B]

What are you trying to tell.

[A]

But this was back in the day. This was before you was with. Oh, it wasn't.

[B]

No. What I mean, yes.

[A]

What? This was before you was booed up. This was when I thought you was looking for a boo. So I thought I was.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it was early. It was very early stages at that point. But my point is sometimes, you know, content, like, it's a part of the conversation in a room. People know I'm single. Whatever. I'm not tripping. But there are times, though, like, with Sad Baby. What I love about Treasure Wilson is the way that they, like Kim and Mase, support her. She's doing very well. She's able to produce content on her own. You know her as something. You respect her work. You don't think about all the things he's talking about. It's really hard to be cute and be in a space and have people respect your work and not your looks and your Whatever. I think sometimes it's just hard as a woman to like that. Okay, I'm flirty, I'm fun, but, like, I really get busy too. I really work.

[A]

I think it's the way they position her. Like you said, like, the way they position her on the show. She's the moderator. She's in between two really big personalities, but she still has enough of a personality to cut through on her own. You know what I mean? And it's the fact that they're really. They're selling sports and pop culture, but it's primarily sports. You know what I mean? So, like, you really. I didn't even know Stat Baby was so young. Not that she looks old in any way, shape or form, just the way she carries herself.

[B]

But that's a part of the story with them, too. Is fresh out of college. They brought her on, they gave her her own part of the network and said, you go do your content and what you want to do. And it she's doing well. She talks about she makes good money. She, you know, it's hard to figure out something. This was a huge blessing.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

But they also are big bro, too. Like, they look out for her. It's really tough. So when you get in those spaces, a lot of times, especially with the guys, it's like, you got to be able to hang sometimes for that to work. And sometimes hanging, there are uncomfortable moments where it's like, okay, I'll be hanging sometimes, but I don't feel like that today.

[A]

Yeah, but if you're uncomfortable, I'd like.

[B]

To know you uncomfortable, what I'm gonna say. Cause, you know, I'm always knowing you, you always joking.

[A]

I am. But once you. If you text me, like, no, that's. I'm really uncomfortable. I'mma understand that. Like, I got too many women in my life to not understand that. But yes, if I see you going along with the joke, I'm like, and don't get me wrong, you can have instincts, too. It's like sometimes your intuition will be like, that don't seem right. I've never been in that situation where I felt like, you know, any woman that was on the show was, like, in danger or was uncomfortable.

[B]

See, but that's the thing. Sometimes it's not like.

[A]

Like, even the one you told me.

[B]

Today, I'm like, sometimes it's not stranger danger. Sometimes it don't give that. Sometimes it's simply a thing of. I don't like, why is the conversation my looks or whatever, like, let's have a Conversation about, like, I'm sitting here with y', all, like, in my looks things.

[A]

I don't know why the conversation about your looks either. That is a very valid motherfucking point that you.

[B]

You be pissing me off.

[A]

Something's telling you the truth.

[B]

I'm taking no. Cause we not gonna take that off the table. Cause it's there, okay? It's giving.

[A]

Nah, you can't have it both ways. I agree with you. This should not be about your look. When you told me that shit today, I'm like, huh? I don't believe that.

[B]

I'm so mad.

[A]

Cause I know him.

[B]

Yeah, but you be so mad when they be like, they be leaning in.

[A]

I ain't never. I ain't seen nobody lean in to get a sniff. Or they might be trying to look under the arms. They know it might be some hair under their head.

[B]

Cause I told them you gave David Bennett my number.

[A]

Well, that was for journalistic. Alex was right. It was for journalistic reasons. For you, it was for something else. For him, it was journalistic reasons. It's not like he called like, yo, I need Lauren. First of all, I would never do that. If he called me like, I need Lauren LaRose's number, I wanna holler at her. I'd be like, well, let me holler at Lauren first to see if that's even something she want. But if he's calling, he's like, I wanna tell her something. Blah, blah, blah.

[B]

What did he say when he called you?

[A]

When he called me?

[B]

Yes. Like, what made you give him my number? Cause when I called you when I asked. Oh, you thought it was funny.

[A]

Cause he said he wanted to give you some. He was like, man, I wanna give her some words of encouragement I really like.

[B]

Okay, I can respect that.

[A]

I like her energy. I just wanna give her some words of encouragement about this business.

[B]

Yes. And I will.

[A]

That's what he did, right?

[B]

Yeah. I will say, like, it wasn't. But it caught me off guard because I was like, where did this come from?

[A]

She's not used to men even talking to you nice. Cause you don't got a dad. That's really what it is. At some point, you need that for a minute. That's true.

[B]

I have a stepdad that talks to me nice. I got a man that talks to me nice.

[A]

Maybe all week long. Let me tell you something. I hugged Lauren one day, and she goes, what's wrong? What happened?

[B]

Charlamagne.

[A]

What's the problem? What's going on?

[B]

When the last time you saw him hug somebody.

[C]

I hug. I hug everybody.

[B]

I ain't never seen you hug him.

[A]

I hug everybody.

[C]

I hug everybody.

[A]

I hug my people. Yeah.

[B]

Charlotte, you ain't no. First of all, when you be like, the other day, you said something on the show, like, you complimented me in some way. I was like, you all right? Is something happening?

[A]

No, dad.

[B]

Like, are you dying? No, Dads, like, do I need to prepare and, like, do I need to get my eulogy ready?

[C]

You gotta go to the mental health expert.

[B]

I'm gonna go.

[A]

That's because you don't.

[B]

You know, they be in there asking for me. They be like, where's horn?

[A]

Positive reinforcement from men that don't want nothing from you. That's the problem.

[B]

I will. I can. I can agree with that.

[A]

That's the problem.

[B]

Yeah. That's not. No. I have guy platonic friendships that give me positive reinforcement. I do. I have that. That's not true.

[A]

So why are you so not used to it? Why do you act so. Ugh.

[B]

It's not. No, you are. You're the devil. Like it doesn't. Like it's not.

[A]

Nobody believes this.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Nobody believes this. You don't believe this.

[B]

You a damn lie. You just told these people that. I said, you need to eat plan B for breakfast.

[A]

That's what she said. Oh, you just said it was something about the dietary. That's what she said. That wasn't dietary. That's exactly what you said. She was like, you know how Lauren, she was like, sometimes you gotta eat plan B for breakfast. Like, what the.

[B]

That is not what I said.

[A]

That's exactly what I said.

[B]

But if I did say that, I'm not judging anybody. You do what you gotta do to get where you need to go. And sometimes it's unattached from them people.

[A]

Absolutely. It's okay, man. Everybody don't wanna be in the clinic with.

[B]

My dad is tired of you telling people he not in my life.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

He is so tired of you.

[A]

I did this.

[B]

He gonna post this on Facebook as if we talked in the last month. Watch.

[A]

Let's do some asking. Idiots. Man. Shout out to Lauren. Not daddy.

[B]

Let's play he is my daddy.

[A]

Let's do some with the old ones from. Oh, yeah. That's your father. Yeah, that's your dad. That's not your father.

[B]

Like, my mom didn't know who my dad was.

[A]

Oh, shit. Hold on. Yeah.

[C]

Aren't you. Don't you gotta out?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I gotta go. Listen, as always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're brilliant. Oh, wait. First of all, thank you, Lauren, for joining us.

[B]

See, you barely even knew the thing.

[A]

No, we gotta go. We gotta.

[B]

Yeah, see, that's what.

[C]

That's different.

[B]

Well, you're welcome.

[C]

I mean, see, that was excellent.

[A]

Give him your websites and all that.

[B]

Oh, Lauren LaRosa everywhere. L O R E N L O R O S e I'm brown girlgrinding as well, which is our group chat on Instagram, we post all the news and you know, we over on Twitter, TikTok all the things.

[A]

That's right. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. You're right too. It's the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you for listening. Martha listens to her favorite band all the time.

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