Wife’s On The Line

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots – "Wife’s On The Line" (December 5, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, hosts Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schulz return after Thanksgiving to discuss family, legacy vs. new media, political language, social media drama, reading in the age of AI, financial responsibility, and the pitfalls of sharing too much online—especially when it comes to spouses. The duo’s signature blend of serious social commentary and outright hilarity keeps the episode moving at a brisk, engaging clip.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thanksgiving & Family Reflections

• Both hosts share personal Thanksgiving stories, highlighting the emotional experience of returning home.
• Charlamagne reflects on visiting his childhood home in South Carolina, the emotional power of old memories, and the feeling of being a "ghost" in one’s own past.
  • “It was interesting staying and reflecting on it… Man, I was so emotional, man.” (03:00)
• Discussion shifts to how their children perceive the world, with jokes about their kids’ privilege and lack of appreciation for humble beginnings.
• Schulz: “They're learning about the Four Seasons in school. And [my daughter] raises her hand, ‘That's my favorite hotel.’” (05:13)

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2. Legacy Media vs. New Media – NYT DealBook Panel

• Fresh from their appearance at the DealBook Summit, Schulz and Charlamagne dive into the culture clash between established "legacy" media and new media creators.
• Reflection on the wide range of influential participants at the event, including heads of state, CEOs, and influential journalists (08:14–09:45).

Schulz on media evolution:

“The way I look at things now is like, everything is a podcast… Podcast is just what media is.” (10:55)

• They argue that legacy media’s struggle to adapt stems from failing to connect with the public and misunderstanding why trust has eroded.
• Schulz describes being put on the spot for his Trump interview, discussing the irrelevance of traditional expectations:

  “I never claimed to be a fucking journalist. I do a comedy podcast… When Trump goes on SNL, they don’t go, ‘Why didn’t you do a sketch about the Mueller report?’” (16:42)

Charlamagne sums up the disconnect:

“Legacy media created this narrative. They just don’t have a connection with the people, bro.” (11:32)

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3. Political Language & "Normalizing" Extremes

• Deep debate on politicians and media labeling opponents as “fascists” or “threats to democracy” but then working together anyway.
• Charlamagne argues: Using these extreme terms and then cooperating renders the words meaningless and confuses the public.

  “You can’t say somebody is a fascist and then say, ‘But I’m willing to work with him.’… There’s never been a time in history where you can work with a fascist.” (29:54)

• Schulz: Both sides use tribal buzzwords ("fascist," "communist") to rile up supporters, playing political theater instead of engaging in honest dialogue.

  “Maybe you could actually pull each other away from communism and away from fascism by having these conversations.” (27:11)

• They note the dangerous confusion caused when the media shifts from alarmist language to normalizing problematic figures for convenience or ratings:

  “You have to take responsibility for that shit. You can’t just decide what words mean when they benefit you.” (31:58)

• Memorable segment parodying this media flip-flopping, referencing CNN’s coverage of Zoran Mandani and Trump (31:43).

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4. Public Perception & Media Distrust

• The hosts insist that the audience is smarter than mainstream media assumes, aware of each platform's slant:

  “The assumption from the legacy media is like, people don’t know anything… They’re aware. They’re not stupid.” – Schulz (40:05)

• Favreau (of Pod Save America) is quoted:

  “Belittling the intelligence of the viewer.” (39:55)

• Charlamagne: "Broadly, no, but you should trust the people who earn your trust." (34:49)

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5. JLo & Latino Stereotypes

• The group turns to celebrity news with a playful discussion about Jennifer Lopez and other Latina stars defying stereotypes around aging and body image.
• Both hosts praise JLo’s looks at 56, with humorous yet admiring commentary:

  “JLO has defied every single stereotype of Latino.” – Charlamagne (44:39) “A 56 year old with a butt like that is absolutely sensational.” – Schulz (45:52)

• Charlamagne: “Shout out to JLo, man. That’s work right there.” (48:29)

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6. Reading, AI, and Cognitive Decline

• Charlamagne reacts to rapper Juelz Santana’s viral claim that “kids don’t need to read,” thoroughly debunking it.

  “You have to read. It gives you a better vocabulary. That’s something that you should want as a rapper.” (53:23)

• He stresses the importance of working out the brain, the dangers of over-relying on AI, and the cognitive cost of the digital age:

  “Pick up a book, read it… sharpen your skills when it comes to your mind, especially as you get older.” (55:24)

• Both hosts lament the half-attentive, device-driven way people experience life these days.

  “Now, that shit takes a lot to remember…” – Charlamagne (56:45)

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7. Sharing Online: "Keep Your Wife Off the Internet"

• Extended riff on the perils of letting spouses become content creators, referencing recent internet controversy involving Akash Singh’s wife.

  “Keep your wife off the internet… There can be one entertainer in this family and it shall be me.” – Charlamagne (62:17, 62:22)

• Discussion about boundaries, protecting privacy, and learning from the drama of oversharing, with comedic analogies and mock-serious advice.

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8. Money, Athletes & Financial Responsibility

• Critique of Odell Beckham Jr’s complaints about the difficulty of making NFL riches last for life.
  • Charlamagne: “You can make $40 million last forever.” (81:01)
  • Schulz: “That amount of money, you can live for the rest of your life… But you have to live a different lifestyle.” (83:29)
• Cautionary tales for both “regular” rich and ultra-rich about spending habits, impressing peers, and investing wisely.

  “I'm not buying nothing that can't appreciate with value.” – Charlamagne (86:08)

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9. Taxes, Trump’s Proposals & Economic Policy

• The hosts discuss Trump’s proposal to eliminate income tax.
• Schulz breaks down wealth loopholes, capital gains vs. income, and the real winners in such a system:

  “The billionaire class, the Elon's in them, they're not making... the majority of their wealth is held up in this thing that is outside of the taxation system.” (87:43)

• Charlamagne points out the catastrophic consequences to public services if income tax was abolished.

  “America would be a shithole country.” (90:03)

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10. Casinos & Urban Development

• Spirited debate over the pros and cons of adding casinos to New York City, particularly Times Square.
• Points covered: tourism, local business involvement, Broadway’s aging audience, and legitimate concerns about extracting local wealth.

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11. Pop Culture: 50 Cent’s Netflix Doc & Diddy

• Discussion of the hit Netflix documentary about Diddy’s rise and fall, executive produced by 50 Cent.
  • “50 does great work when it comes to documentaries… This is legit.” – Alex (108:47)
  • “50 really hasn't missed with TV and film, yo.” – Charlamagne (110:53)
• Thoughts on Diddy’s hubris and the temptation of recording one’s downfall.
• Reflection on 50 Cent as hip-hop's greatest anti-hero, and the power of narrative control.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On returning home:
  "You feel like a ghost…what happened to that kid that was sitting on that porch?"
  — Charlamagne (03:06)

• On privilege:
  “My kids are the type of kids to be like, ‘Why is this house so small?’”
  — Charlamagne (05:01)

• On media trust:
  “Trust them to be untrustworthy.”
  — Schulz (34:30)

• On politicians using extreme language:
  “When you throw words around like fascist…but you don’t ever really act like that…you cry wolf.”
  — Charlamagne (25:54)

• On reading:
  “Pick up a book…sharpen your skills a little bit when it comes to your mind, especially the older you get…cognitive decline is real.”
  — Charlamagne (55:24)

• On sharing too much online:
  “There can be one entertainer in this family and it shall be me. Keep your wife off the Internet.”
  — Charlamagne (62:17)

• On NFL money:
  “You can live for the rest of your life…you just chose to buy frivolous shit.”
  — Andrew Schulz (83:29)

• On 50 Cent:
  “He might be one of the greatest anti-heroes in entertainment.”
  — Andrew Schulz (107:34)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Family & Thanksgiving: 01:21 – 07:00
• NYT DealBook & Legacy Media: 07:02 – 16:20
• Political Language & Media Responsibility: 22:16 – 33:40
• JLo & Latina Stereotypes: 44:00 – 49:12
• Juelz Santana and the Reading Debate: 50:37 – 56:13
• Akash/Spouses and the Internet: 62:12 – 67:17
• ODell Beckham & Financial Literacy: 79:10 – 86:16
• Trump/Taxes Policy: 86:28 – 91:41
• Casino Debate: 94:17 – 98:28
• 50 Cent’s Netflix Documentary: 103:03 – 110:53

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Summary Tone & Vibe

The episode is quintessential Brilliant Idiots: irreverent, raw, and deeply honest. The hosts alternate seamlessly between comedic jabs, cultural critique, and informed analysis, tackling heavy topics without taking themselves too seriously. They lean into their "idiot" branding, but repeatedly prove there’s a lot of brilliance in confronting uncomfortable truths—whether about media, politics, money, or marriage.

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Recommended for Listeners Who...

• Enjoy candid, funny, and provocative conversations about media, politics, and culture
• Want insight into behind-the-scenes media events and power plays
• Appreciate open debate about new media vs. old media, and the changing rules of public life
• Don’t mind plenty of NSFW jokes and the occasional wild tangent along the way

Transcript

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Chris]

True.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

False. That's gotta be true again.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Sounds too good to be true.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Yep. Charlamagne the guy. Andrew Schultz. We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Hezekiah Walker. We took the week off for Thanksgiving, man. How'd you enjoy your Thanksgiving? Do anything fun?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, it was nice, man. It was nice being with the fam.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Is this your daughter's first Thanksgiving? No, she was an infant.

[Andrew Schulz]

She was an infant.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, Okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think she might still be an infant. What is that toddler now she's toddler? Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, yeah. Yeah, toddler. How about you? How was yours? It was good. I was in South Carolina.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, you went back?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Back? Always, man. I was in South Carolina. Stayed with my mom. My wife stayed with her mom, man. It's just something about being home in the room you grew up in, the room you used to pray in. You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

Out of her house yet?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, she can't. She loves her house, you know, like, because my dad because my dad, we used to live in a trailer.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, it's not the trailer.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no, We've been out that trailer. So my dad built like a ranch style house.

[Andrew Schulz]

She's still in a double wide.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no, we've been out the double wide. My dad built a ranch style house way, way, way, way back in the day. So actually, you know, I did. I had some renovation is done to it. It's so funny. There was things my dad didn't finish.

[Andrew Schulz]

That you got finished that I paid.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I actually paid him to finish. You know what I'm saying? You saw like the upstairs attic, bathroom, stuff like that, but you paid your.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dad to finish them. Yeah, that's fire.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Keep it in the family, baby. But it's just. It was just interesting, you know, you be. You. You grew up in. You be in the room that you grew up in, you know, and you're living in so many of your. The prayers that you put up in that room.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, so it was just like. Yeah, just. I mean, I go home all the time. It just was interesting staying and reflecting on it. Reflecting on. Man, I was so emotional, man. Cause you being.

[Alex]

Ooh.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, my God, I love this.

[Andrew Schulz]

I love this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was. Cause you're driving.

[Andrew Schulz]

Gratitude emotion, isn't it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You feel like a ghost.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, you know how they talk about ghost of Christmas past? All of that shit. Like when you're driving through, like, the neighborhood you grew up in, the town you grew up in, you got all of these different memories. You really feel like a ghost. You're like, yo, what happened to that kid?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was sitting on that porch?

[Andrew Schulz]

He got touched by his aunt.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That is very true. That came.

[Andrew Schulz]

We've heard the story.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo. That is so. Man, nobody take. Nobody cares about my.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nobody cares about your experience. Cause you made it too funny with the jheri curl juice. If you never said jheri curl juice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we would have taken it serious. Nobody cares about older women diddling little boys, yo.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, that is a problem, but more so when you make it so funny. You said jheri curl juice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't like the smell of her Jheri curl. That made us smell.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's reasonable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo. I was. There was one point. I was driving through Moss Corner. I started to go to my homeboy's mom's house to see her, and I just. It just hit me like, oh, my God, she died.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Like a year ago, you know, Rest in peace, Ms. Jimmy Sue. And then I Started thinking to myself, like, damn, my homeboy dead too. Rest in peace, Jerrell.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Then goes like, his pop's dead too. I was like, rest in peace, Herbalite. So it's just like all. It was like, damn this. All of these people just go. You know what I mean? So shit like that just be like, shit, you know, we getting up there, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

We getting up there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now we getting up there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we're old enough where people we.

[Andrew Schulz]

Know die of old age is what.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm trying to say. Oh, my boy Gerard didn't die of old age, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

He what?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He didn't die of old age.

[Andrew Schulz]

What did he die of?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He got shot.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So he didn't die of old age. But my point is, all these people are gone regardless. You know what I mean? And when you are just thinking about habits that you used to have when you were in the town and you like shit, like you can't even just pull up on them, right? Yeah, yeah. Shit like, that'll fuck with you a little.

[Alex]

Do you try to show your kids you know, the places where you had memories and give them the tour?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn, my kids spoiled as fuck.

[Alex]

I know they don't care. That's what I'm curious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My kids spoiled as fuck. My kids are the type of kids be like, why is this house so small?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, the house looks so much bigger on the inside. It looks small on the outside.

[Andrew Schulz]

Great Chris Rock joke. Like, I knew my daughter was spoiled. They were, they were. They're learning about the Four Seasons in school. And she raised her hand. She's like, that's my favorite hotel.

[Charlamagne tha God]

True though, man. Like, I'm not making this up. And it's not even the older one. It's the 10 year old, the 7 year old. Like, you know, you. Yeah, this house looks so much bigger on the inside. Grammy house is small on the outside, big on the side. Like, they just.

[Andrew Schulz]

They even their fault. It's the only thing they know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who am I? Well, who am I to act like, you know, they're wrong?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's their life. That's how they live. Like, I'm mad at it. Like, they. We get on planes and they'd be like.

Mint is JetBlue's first class. But I like Emirates.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah, they shouldn't even know about Emirates.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why not?

[Andrew Schulz]

When are you taking them to the Emirates?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What you mean? They done been to Africa three, four times. Dubai. Like, when I travel, I take my kids. Cause I feel like that's one of the best ways for them to Learn outside of, like reading. Right outside of reading.

[Andrew Schulz]

Travel, trip.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, my God. Like, it's unbelievable. And you realize how much information they retain as kids like this. Like my 17 year old, I mean, she had more stamps on her passport than I ever had. But the 10 year old, the 4 year old, like, they retain all that information, like they've been to these places. Like, it's a different conversation. And I love it. And who are we? Why should they see otherwise in life?

[Andrew Schulz]

Agreed.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are we doing all of this for?

[Andrew Schulz]

What are we doing all this if.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not to show our kids the finer things in life?

[Andrew Schulz]

100%. 100%. Now can we talk about something?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can we talk about how the. Despite our best efforts.

Despite our best efforts, Legacy media still considers us to be important people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Despite our best efforts. Every week we do our best on this podcast.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

To not be taken seriously. We put idiot in the title of the podcast.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

But today we just came from this, this summit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's called the New York Times Deal Book Summit.

[Andrew Schulz]

This was huge, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't. You know, it's so funny. I never realized how big it is till I get this.

[Andrew Schulz]

I thought we were. I thought we recorded WTF Media. Hey, I thought. No, I thought it was like just a podcast recording. They're like, we're going to do a podcast episode. We're recording where the New York City Philharmonic is. Like, that is. It's the Philharmonic, the one with the instruments and everything, Right? Like, oh, that's where the fuck we was at. They shut down the whole room just for us, nine of us to sit on a table.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what that was.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't know that.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm almost.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, that was the way they do the Philharmonic. Was it? I'm not gonna say it wasn't.

[Andrew Schulz]

I might be wrong.

[Chris]

West Side Broadway, 30th.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, this is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, this is not it. I apologize. It looks similar. It's. Maybe it is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know some of the names of people that were there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I mean, we walked in. Scott is just talking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But now, now you said that Chris should have been there, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris should have been.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You should have, because Chris loves journalism. But you know why? Chris should have been there. Look who the was there, bro? The President of Taiwan.

[Andrew Schulz]

President.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Dr. Go Dr. La Ching T was there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Say that shit again. What you gonna do now?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Pronounce Dr. La Ching King Tea.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me try.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. If I walk into Starbucks and say that, what would they give this guy's a.

[Andrew Schulz]

This guy. His name is Dr. Jacob Stevens.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it's not, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's also a goat Asian.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't you know the president of Taiwan? What's the president of Taiwan's name? Chris?

[Alex]

You probably got it right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Lai Chang Tea.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Lai Chang Tea.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, go to Starbucks, order me one of those right now. That's this year.

[Chris]

You just left it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, but I saw him there with fucking Serena last year. Last year, I was about to say Halle Berry. Berry was building. Scroll up. The fucking chair and CEO of General Motors. Mary Barr.

[Alex]

Mr.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Beast was there. Jimmy Donaldson, Larry Fink. David Ellison was there. The chairman of CEO, Alex Karp. They were protesting. David Ellis. They were protesting. Alex Karp.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, Gavin Newsom was there. We should have sat down with Gavin.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Erica Kirk was there. I didn't even know that Gavin Newsom was there. That was all today. That's just.

[Andrew Schulz]

Hey, this is just something light. Also, Charlamagne, the God, and Andrew Schultz.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But keep scrolling. Go to our panel, Political pundit. I want to tell y' all who was on our panel.

Come on, man. Y' all scrolling. Too slow, man. All those. I see a lot of liars up there.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's. There's so many people. Because this is over multiple days. Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was there. Gary Vaynerchuk was there.

[Chris]

Monica Lewinsky.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And okay, here. Boom, right here. They had a task force, right? This ain't.

[Andrew Schulz]

This was not our task force.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This wasn't our panel. But we was. I was there. Andrew Schultz was there. Scroll up. I'm looking for who was on our panel. Jon Favreau. Jon Favreau.

[Andrew Schulz]

Favreau.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm sorry. The co founder of Crooked Media and Pod Save America, Ben Shapiro.

[Andrew Schulz]

We miss you, Tommy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My guy, David Remnick was there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Editor of the New Yorker. Stephanie Rules Radio. Stephanie Rules there. Abna Nawaz was there. Ben Shapiro was there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right. That's who was on our panel, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

We was just talking shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was who was on our panel. It was interesting, though, but I've come to the conclusion.

[Chris]

How did they decide to break you guys up in terms of, like, what panel to put you on?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I have no idea. Well, ours was about media. Ours was supposed to be about strictly media. And I guess, like this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Michael Barbaro hosted it, by the way. The. The Daily.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, Michael Barboro, the Daily. So it was about media. So it was just all of these people who represent different facets of media. You know what I'm saying? I guess, you know from the podcasting to, you know, radio to interviewing, to, you know, journalism, like David does, to what Favreau and Ben Shapiro do with these by being podcasts. I don't know if you call them podcasts and new media outlets, bro. It's new media networks.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's. The way I look at things now is like, everything is a podcast. Podcast used to be a type of media, and now everything has been podcastified. So, like, every ESPN show is also available as a podcast. Yeah, radio is also available as a podcast. So podcast is just what we call unscripted media now. There's even scripted podcasts. But every. The view you could probably listen to as a podcast or watch the podcast. So podcast is just what media is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If your content is not coming out in a podcast every day, you're behind the eight ball so far, Like, I don't even know what you're doing, but it was a great conversation, man. But what I realized is that legacy media.

Has a. I'm not gonna say they have a problem with new media, but they just don't understand what it is that they're getting wrong. I understand what they're getting wrong. Schultz understands what they're getting wrong. They just really don't have a connection with the people, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

They tried to get me, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, they.

[Andrew Schulz]

I was.

Jumped because I knew. I was waiting the whole time. I was like, there was. They literally had, like, a running clock, and there was 20 seconds left. And Barbara was nice guy. Barbara was like, okay, Schultz, I have a question for you I'd really like to get to. And, you know. You know, he, like, is prefacing it all, like, nice and sweet, and I'm like, all right, here we go. I already know what it's going to be. I'm like, at a certain point in time, like, why didn't you ask Trump the hardest questions? Why didn't you do what we would have done? Right? And he brings up this thing. He goes, you know, on. On the podcast, Trump said that the Russian hoax was clearly hoes and it was fake, and that the Pulitzer Prize should be taken away from the media companies that. That covered it. And I guess I said afterward, like, I guess that would confirm if you gave them a Pulitzer Prize for the coverage, that it was real when it was proven to be a hoax, right? And then we move on. And they're like, what do you think about that shit? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm like. I don't even.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, this is why they invited him here. That's why they invited you here.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, that's why you here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They wanted to jump him.

[Andrew Schulz]

There was literally no more time on the clock. And they're like, oh, no, they're gonna give us a few more minutes. There's a section of the interview, and maybe you would have thought this was dutiful in the moment, unless you're sure I'd agree. Where the President is describing the entire federal investigation into Russia as a hoax made up by Hillary Clinton. These are made up by Nancy Pelosi. That's factual. That's not accurate. But then he goes further, and he says that the Pulitzer Prize Committee should give. The New York Times should take back the Pulitzer it gave to the New York Times for its aggressive coverage of that investigation.

[Alex]

And the Post.

[Andrew Schulz]

And you in the interview, you're nodding along to him. You're verbally agreeing with him, and you say, yeah, to have the New York Times keep that Pulitzer is. Is to basically say that the lie is true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, that's what they bought you here for. They bought you.

They needed to see you face to face.

[Andrew Schulz]

Anyway, so. So then. So in that moment, I kind of. And it was funny. Like, all the traditional media people on the panel, who are all very sweet, immediately jumped in on the conversation. And all the new media people kind of knew what it was. So they didn't like. So Shapiro or Favreau or Charlemagne were like. Didn't really say anything about. So. So I said, this is like. I was like, first of all, I don't know what the fuck. I don't know anything about the Russia hoax. I'm already gonna get clipped to hell on that, I'm sure. But what I said with this is like, you guys are part of the fucking media class. You have to understand this. You are reading the whole Mueller report. You're reading all of these documents. You're following the investigation. You're following all these trials. The average person, which I think we're more representative of, all we see is the. There was an investigation. Mueller chose not to indict him. When we hear they're not indicting somebody, we go, there isn't enough to indict him. Therefore, nothing happened.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you know who told us that legacy fucking media, like legacy media created this narrative.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, that's not to say that there isn't smoke, right? That's to say that there are things that they can make connections. But Mueller himself saw that there wasn't enough to indict. And what I was trying to communicate to them is like, guys, so when the American people see that, who aren't reading the whole Mueller report and looking at all these things, they just see these fucking headlines. What do you think they're thinking it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Justifies when somebody like Trump says shit is a witch hunt. Exactly.

[Andrew Schulz]

And it justifies him when he says it's a hoax. Because if you're not willing to indict, then it's a fucking hoax.

[Alex]

Well, they were willing to indict on other things.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, but I'm saying when you're not even.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Even at this point, you're right, but they didn't. And when you don't treat a problem like it's a problem, does it really.

[Andrew Schulz]

Look like a problem?

[Alex]

Well, they didn't because of the rule that a president is immune, is my understanding. I mean, a grand jury did indict him on some of the election stuff.

[Andrew Schulz]

But we're talking about, like, Russian collusion. Yeah. This is specific Western collusion.

[Alex]

I mean, so here's my question to pull it out a little bit.

[Andrew Schulz]

And just to clarify, it's not to say that there aren't things there and they aren't reasonable in that criticism that they know. What I was trying to communicate to them is you, you're privy to this and aware of all this. The American people are seeing an indictment dropped and then seeing him go see you is a hoax. And very reasonably so, going, see, there's nothing here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And also question, Chris. And I was thinking about this on the panel. The panel was moving so fast that you just had to keep up. But they're the ones that are supposed to be the fact checkers. Right. I would think legacy media. So legacy media can only report what actually happened. Right. Like, they can't tell us. Yeah. You know, they didn't indict, but.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, they can say a little.

[Alex]

They're like, there's always context. Excuse me. To every situation.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right.

[Alex]

Nothing's completely black and white where it's. This is the fact. This is untrue. This is true. I guess my question is, I hear what you guys are saying. At the end of the day, you do want somebody who's gonna read the Mueller report. You do want somebody who's gonna report, essentially. Which we don't do.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's what I said. First of all, I said.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was like, the point you just said about. The point you said about SNL on the panel was great.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's what I said.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was like.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, you guys are journalists. I'm not a journalist. I never claimed to be a fucking journalist. Like, I Do a comedy podcast. Right, Right. So when we have guests on. That's the standard you should treat it with. When Trump goes on snl, they don't go, well, why didn't you do a sketch about the Mueller report? That would have been a good sketch to go. Because you have a standard and expectation for that. And I think what a lot of the traditional media folks are doing or the legacy media folks are, they're very upset that Trump and other figures won't go on their platforms anymore.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And they're taking that out on us. And it's like, no, you have to find another way for them to go on their platforms. The reason they're probably not going your platforms is because your reach has diminished.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Andrew Schulz]

So now it's only a risk for those figures to go on a platform like yours. They have nothing to gain because there's not that many people watching and everything to lose because you're going to grill them to shreds.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't think they are. And that's the other interesting. We see J.D. vance on Sunday morning news. Damn near every Sunday. We see Trump sit down with certain people. All we ever say to ourselves is, yo, why is nobody asking them these questions? Why is nobody pressing them about this?

[Alex]

They are asking the question when I think the audience isn't there and it doesn't resonate.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, because when people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no, no. I need an example. Give me an example. I mean, when, when have you seen Trump ask a tough question on traditional media? In the past?

[Chris]

Every time, three years, every time you get a reaction out of him like quiet Piggy, that's them asking him a tough question that he doesn't want to answer. But it's no follow up because he's not going to engage him. Like, what's the point?

[Alex]

That's the answer.

[Andrew Schulz]

There was, there was, there was another. I think what we're also learning, and I don't know if people will be unbiased enough to admit this, but like, what, what we're also learning is that like when people, people are just upset about interviews that don't go the way that they want to go. When it's the person that they hate because the person that they hate or not hate that they really disagree with, they want to see their opposition crumble under the pressure of those questions.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

When it's someone that they really agree with. Right. Like when Mamdani goes on Sam Cedar's podcast, they tickle his belly. They're not asking him the hard hitting questions and tell us how The HPTSA affected the cost of living and the ability to create new housing. They're not jamming all these questions down because they probably agree on a lot of things. Now, that's not to say that I agree on a lot of things with Trump, which I was saying is I have a different way of doing interviews that I've done with everybody. And you can't put your journalistic expectations on those interviews as you can when we have a comedy podcast where we're trying to get to know the person.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody said something. It was interesting. Somebody said something to you backstage. I forgot who it was, but they were saying how you were nice to Trump, but you were nice to Mandani, too, or some shit like that. Was it Ben we was talking to. I forgot who the fuck we was talking to. My point is, if you watch all the flagrant interviews pretty much have the same.

[Andrew Schulz]

Whoever comes on looks amazing. And that really bothers people when it's politicians, because you never want to see the opposition look amazing. But when we come people on, I humanize people. That's what I do in every interview that I've ever done. I want to see the humanity in you. I want to hang out. I want to have fun. I want to see if there's anything that we could actually connect on.

[Chris]

I'm just curious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I'm just curious, too. I just, you know, I'm just not. I like. I like asking, I guess, tough questions, you know what I'm saying? That make you end up. That's why I end up in all these Republican ads, I guess. You know what I mean? And people act like that is my fault. I wish we'd have got to that, too, but. But people act like that's my fucking fault when I ask these questions. And it's like, because this person gave a bad answer, and so their political opponent decides to use it in a motherfucking ad for their campaign, I'm the bad guy.

[Andrew Schulz]

The Democrats lost. They are looking for a scapegoat for that anger. Sometimes it's you for asking tough questions. And now all of a sudden, tough questions are bad.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way, right before, when they're asked to the party, you like. They're bad.

[Andrew Schulz]

When they're asked to the party, you like, you're.

[Alex]

You're.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're pushing MAGA conspiracies or something like that.

[Alex]

That's right.

[Andrew Schulz]

When they're asked to the opposition, you're a hero.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And that's good journalism. So, like, what I've seen is A lot of times, like the. The goal posts shift a lot. And I wish we could just acknowledge our own biases here and be like, hey, we want to see the people that we like look good and the people we don't like look bad. And when we see the people that we do like look good, I. E. When Mamdani comes on the pod, all the Mandani fans were like, this was awesome interview. And we loved him, he was great. But conservatives were like, this guy's a communist. How dare you have him on here and do that. Like, let's just acknowledge.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, no, it's.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's always like, you have this journalistic integrity. None of you do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's like when we bring. I used to always see that when we would bring any tre transgender on the show, any transgender, you would have people from the transgender community upset because they're like, that's not the right.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's not the right representation.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Representation of us. And then you would have our regular listeners like, man, what is this shit you got on the radio? Right? So actually it's more of a detriment because nobody's had it. But our broader audience is like, what are you doing? That's why when flame comes on, people like Flame. Cuz Flame isn't coming on to do anything but make you laugh.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And to me, that is what humanizes people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And that's what they don't want. When it's a political figure, they don't like.

[Andrew Schulz]

When it's somebody that humanizes threatening your existence. Let's say we're going to put in the most hyperbolic terms, right? They're threatening your existence.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't want to use that type of language.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, fine.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I'm going to tell you why. Chris. In a minute. Go ahead.

[Andrew Schulz]

But like, when it's somebody that is threatening, like your worldview.

[Chris]

How about that?

[Andrew Schulz]

When someone's threatening your worldview, you don't want to see that person humanized. You don't want to see that person looking charming. You don't see that person. Like I saw it with Mamdanya, it's like there are a lot of people that don't agree with some of his policies. I don't agree with a lot of his policies, but they saw him looking charming, funny, able to hang, and they were like, fuck, this is bad. People are going to like him. And it's like, yeah, people might like people you disagree with. That's the reality of the world we live in. Grow the fuck up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The reason I Don't want to use extreme language like that no more is because I'm telling politicians that they shouldn't use that type of language anymore. Because when you throw words around like fascists, that you don't actually break the democracy and the end of your existence, but you don't ever really act like that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That was Charlamagne brought up a great point in this thing. He was like, look. He's like, what the hell are we doing? He was talking about when Trump and Mamdani met. He goes, mamdani called Trump a fascist. And then they're cozying up and hanging out. And, like, he was almost reluctant to call him a fascist until Trump gave him the out in the meeting.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And then two days later on Meet the Press, they asked him again.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. And he's like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He was like, yes, I believe he's a fascist, but I can work with him. There's no greater way to normalize fascism.

[Andrew Schulz]

Mr. Mayor elect, just to be very clear, do you think that President Trump is a fascist? And after President Trump said that, I said, yes. So you do. And that's something that I've said in the past. I say it today. And I think what I appreciated about the conversation that I had with the president was that we were not shy about the places of disagreement about the politics that has brought us to this moment. And we also wanted to focus on what it could look like to deliver on a shared analysis of an affordability crisis for New Yorkers. You've also said in the past that President Trump has engaged in a, quote, attack on our democracy. You've called him a despot. Do you still believe President Trump is a threat to the democracy? Everything that I've said in the past, I continue to believe. And that's the thing that I think is important in our politics, is that we don't shy away from where we have disagreements, but we understand what it is that brings us to that table. Because I'm not coming into the Oval Office to make a point or make a stand. I'm coming in there to deliver for New Yorkers. And a few weeks ago, I was asked by a reporter three words to describe myself. I said, New York City. And that's what animated that conversation. How do we deliver for the people of New York City? I think that some of your supporters would be curious to know. You say you stand by your past statements that, yes, he's a threat to the democracy. How do you square working with someone who you still think is a threat to the democracy? I think working for the people of New York City demands that you work with everyone and anyone and that you always look to find those areas of agreement while not overlooking the places of disagree. And so Charlie made this great point. It's like you're normalizing fascism in that way, and then there's no. Literally.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, yeah, because he said it.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He said he's a fascist and I can work with.

[Andrew Schulz]

I had your back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And then what? What? I think Remnick, Dave Remnick was like, well, I know him. I've met him and I've spoken to him. And I knew in that moment that he was performing with Trump. And I go, david, how do you know when the performance starts? Does the performance start with you, or does the performance start with Trump? I'm sure you would believe it starts with Trump because that fits your worldview better. That's right. But it might have started with both of you. I. I personally love seeing politicians that disagree on things, come together and be friends. I would love if they didn't call each other extreme things and then riled up their bases to hate the opposition. When we get to the point where there are people literally fist fighting in the street at protests because of this rhetoric that's being pushed down from their.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Leadership, that would be great. You said you love to see politicians that disagree with each other coming together. Yes, if this was a normal political circumstances. But guess who's telling us this isn't normal political circumstance?

[Andrew Schulz]

The politicians?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, the politicians and the media. And we got eyes and can tell.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So, and another point I brought up to David, I can't wait till y' all hear this conversation, because David was talking about the authoritarian strategy that Trump is using on the media. Like, you know, having the FCC say we're going to pull licenses, you know, wrong. Which we all agreed was FCC pulling licenses. What was the other thing? Pressuring them to fire people. Like funding. Pulling funding. Access.

[Alex]

You can go on living access.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely. Which we all.

[Andrew Schulz]

Unanimous agreement.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Bad. We all agree that something is wrong, that something is wrong with that. But you can't say that's authoritarian strategy. Right. And try to ring the alarm on that, but then tell. But then act like saying it's okay to work with a fascist is fine. Because what happens when the word has no meaning, as you say, Chris, they didn't start killing the Jews on day one. They killed them on day 600. So what happens when we get to day 100 and you've been trying to tell people what's been going on, but you've been using this language like fascists and authoritarianism, but shit is really happening. And they're like, you cry, I'll give you the counter. Okay, that's nice. I agree with you.

[Alex]

I think.

[Andrew Schulz]

But Trump.

[Alex]

I think Trump is a fascist bubble.

[Andrew Schulz]

Give us that steel, man. I think that's important.

[Alex]

The counter is Trump holds the purse strings to hundreds of millions, maybe a billion dollars worth of potential federal aid. Of course, whether you think he's a fascist or not, and you have to try to work with him, because the city will essentially collapse and suffer if you don't cut a deal. Look, if Trump walked in that door, I'm walking out the door. I agree. You don't engage with somebody like that. I agree with you 100%. But that's the counter.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I agree with you, Chris. But here's the thing.

[Andrew Schulz]

But if you know you have to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Work with him, don't call him a fascist.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you know that that's part of the job, you're gonna have to work with him. You know, you're gonna have to get access. I think that what we all have to acknowledge is, like, Trump calling Mamdani a communist riles up support of his base.

[Alex]

There's theater.

[Andrew Schulz]

And Mamdani calling Trump a fascist riles up support in his base. And we have to at least acknowledge that they're using those instruments to both their advantage, when in reality, the greatest advantage that we would all have is that these people who disagree major disagreements with the world are able to work together and maybe pull each other closer, maybe away from communism and away from fascism by having these conversations.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I have some Cuban friends, and when I tell you that they were so. I mean, they hate Zoran Mandani, and they're, like, telling me about stories their grandparents told him about communism in Cuba. And they're like, castro was charming, too, and blah, blah, blah. Like, they're, like, visibly upset about the fact that Zoramudani is going to be the mayor of New York City because of all the language that they've used against him, calling him a communist and stuff like that.

[Alex]

So I think the irony in this is Trump emerged as a politician because he wasn't a politician, if that makes sense. He convinced people he was outside of that space.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Alex]

Andani did the same thing.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Alex]

I'm not a politician.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't think he would ever say he wasn't.

[Alex]

Well, maybe not a politician, but I'm operating in a different space. And what we're seeing right now is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Did he. Yeah.

[Chris]

A Little bit.

[Andrew Schulz]

But he was an assemblyman.

[Chris]

I'm confused. Why can't both things be true? Like, why can't Mamdadi think he's a fascist? But also.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he has to, because it looks.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hypocritical for a politician.

[Andrew Schulz]

How about this, Alex?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It makes the word fascism mean nothing.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me slice thin. Slice thin. It's as thin as this. I get scared when I see Trump doing these things that are exhibiting authoritarian. Authoritarian tendencies.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

I get concerned because I don't want America to devolve into an authoritarian leadership. And I pray, or whatever the political answer is. And I really hope that that's not what he hopes for the country. I imagine that he honors the Constitution. I imagine he really cares about America being a free and open society. But that's something that scares me. It definitely scares my constituents. That is the political answer. That isn't just using the word, this person is a fascist as a label.

[Chris]

Gotcha. Okay, so you want him to slice it a little bit thinner.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's the difference between just calling somebody, hey, Ms. Rachel's an anti Semite. And like, that was another thing I brought up in the thing. It was like, Ms. Rachel's an anti Semite. It's like, if you call Ms. Rachel an anti Semite, that one's way further.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Than what if I call you a homosexual.

No, I'm serious. If I say Alex is a homosexual to a room full of people now, everyone's gay. Everybody thinks he sucks the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, they do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There's no other way around that. Yeah, you're a homosexual.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Everybody thinks you take it up the ass.

[Andrew Schulz]

I hate this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You understand what I'm saying? I can't say somebody is a fascist and then say, but I'm willing to work with him. Because if that's the case, then you don't really believe he's a fascist. Or maybe that person isn't a fascist because there's no such thing as working with fascism. There's never been a time in history where you can work with a fascist.

[Andrew Schulz]

What if a girl kept saying, oh, my God, this guy's gay. This guy's gay. This guy. This guy's gay. And then she went and married him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

We'd be like, I don't believe you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You married the Human torch.

[Andrew Schulz]

You married a human torch. You can't do that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would you do that?

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, you can wait, I thought he was gay. Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schulz]

But then what if she was like, I'll actually just be a nice to him. For his money.

That's the argument they're making with.

Bondani and Trump.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And by the way, I have no problem with Zoran Mandani.

[Andrew Schulz]

You thought I was talking about Jaslene and AKA no. What the hell is going on? We've already settled down one. They were together and they were broke. Alex, get off the Internet. We slept on a floor together, which is a luxury place in India, but in America it's not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. The reason we even bought this up.

[Andrew Schulz]

On Indians watching that clip, like, you guys had a floor.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The reason we even bought this up on the panel because we were just talking about the media's role and responsibility when it comes to normalizing. A lot of the things that we're seeing. They do normalize hatred. This shit is confusing.

[Andrew Schulz]

They normalize hatred. And then when you don't normalize it, when we sit here on the pod and like, try to find a gray area and shit, they're like, oh, you're fence sitting. You're seeing both sides. It's like, yeah, you should fucking see both sides. Half of the people in this country are sitting on a different side. It might be advantageous for you to see what they're feeling and maybe you agree a little bit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Imagine watching CNN all the time and they tell you that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and he's authoritarian and fascists and all of these things. But then soon as Zoron goes in the White House, they're like, how Zoran Mandani charmed America's unruly uncle.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, Unc.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, now that was literally the fucking headline.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now he's unknown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's just. He's an unruly uncle now, a week before Thanksgiving. So now you go home and you're dealing with all your unruly uncles, just like you pretty uncle. Just like Trump.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, like, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So you gotta. I guess what Charlamagne was trying to say is like, yo, you guys in media have to take responsibility for that shit. You can't just decide what words mean when they benefit you and then act like you never said them when it benefits you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And then when those of us say the type of things we're saying now act like we crazy, which they we actually giving you the alley oop to grab it and dunk it.

[Andrew Schulz]

But they don't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Here. You know what? That is something. We should stop normalizing words like fascism and communism saying things that threaten democracy if they're not acting on it. I brought up the Merrick Garland point. They all looked at me like I was, you crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

You crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean? Because we was on the Russian hoax thing, and I was like, but there's other examples. I'm like, yo, January 6th, January fucking 6, you know, Merrick Garland dragged his feet when it came to prosecuting Trump. So did it really happen to people when you're telling us that it was like. Well, we all saw. You know what I mean? Yes, we all saw it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But nobody was held accountable for it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So is it a cr. Was it really a crime? Yes, obviously.

[Chris]

I mean, a lot of the people that stormed the Capitol were held accountable.

[Andrew Schulz]

They were held accountable. They weren't released.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The president wasn't.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I guess what he's trying to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Say is the president was not held accountable for January 6th.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris. They tried, and then ultimately.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And when Biden got out of office, the first thing he said, I should have got somebody. I should have got a different attorney general that would have actually went after him much sooner.

[Alex]

Well, that's politics, but there shouldn't be.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Politics if it's a threat to democracy. When are we gonna stop acting like it's politics as usual? We have all these conversations about the media normalizing Trump, but we never have conversations about the actual politicians normalizing Trump. And that's what the media should be talking about. How Joe Biden can say somebody's a threat to democracy, but when they win the White House literally standing outside of it saying, welcome home, Thor Rahman, Doni. Saying, I can work with a fascist.

[Andrew Schulz]

All these politicians showed up to Dick Cheney's funeral. All these politicians would be like, this is the worst vice president in history. Responsible for all these. Which he was.

[Alex]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. And then them all showing up his funeral with their little crocodile tears. Get the fuck.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't think y' all realize how confusing this shit is.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I think that's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Look, I agree.

[Alex]

I don't like seeing it, and I don't like it when they go to the funerals and they kind of put pomp and circumstance over.

[Andrew Schulz]

So people. So people go, why? And then we have these whole discussions with this whole. The first discussion of the whole panel was like, do people trust the media? Should people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was the first question.

[Andrew Schulz]

People trust the media. And it's like, after this discussion, do you. Do you understand why they are hesitant to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you notice. Did you notice something when they asked us that question? That was the first question they asked us. It was a yes or no question. Do you trust the media? The only people who said yes was the legacy media people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I Mean, I said. I said, yes, you should trust the media to deliver to its viewers exactly what they want. So trust them to be untrustworthy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I said, broadly, no, but you should trust the people who earn your trust.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Chris]

Which is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, that's what I feel.

[Alex]

So what should the headline of CNN on CNN been when he went to the White House?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not motherfucking Zor. How Zoran Madani Charmed America's unruly uncle. What does that even. First of all, what does that even mean? Like, how do we. Everybody talks about, you know, Zoron playing Trump like a fiddle. We sat on this podcast, Brilliant Idiots, a few weeks ago, and what did we say? We say it would be advantageous for Donald Trump to play nice with Mandani.

[Chris]

Stop giving Trump advice. Cause he took it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that's my point exactly what we said it. We said right here, Donald Trump should play nice with Mandani because getting in his way just gives Mondani an excuse.

[Andrew Schulz]

An excuse.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Any overreach from the federal government, you know, gives Mandani an excuse. Let Mandani fight it out with Albany. Okay? You sit back, wish him the best, and see what happens. That's exactly. How do we know Trump didn't play Manon? He's the one with the power.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What the fuck? Mandani? Trump don't need Manny.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's the other thing we were saying is, like, part of the discussion was like, who are these media? Because we were talking about Trump's.

What is it? Authoritarian tendencies when it comes to media, right? And they're like, there are some media platforms that are trying to sell to a bigger conglomerate, and Trump can hold that up with the fcc. And then so what I said to that is, I was like, why is that my problem?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why are you willing to sell the trust of your company down the river for a few bucks if you care about information and news? Don't do the sale.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, I bought up my.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm trying to get rich.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. And I said, like I said, the personalities at these platforms, that's when you're supposed to ring the alarm and say, yo, this guy said he's gonna take our license if, you know, if we basically don't do his bidding. They're not gonna approve this merger if we don't do their bidding. And then the panel started, the legacy media started talking about what the owners have to do. Business. Bob Iger is not just concerned about, you know, too bad abc. He's concerned about Disney.

[Andrew Schulz]

What? That's not our fault. But what I'm trying to say is now if there are corporate interests and financial interests in media, they're gonna want a return on that investment just like anything else. You invest in a building, you hope to sell it for more one day. Right? So when we know that that exists and that's part of the system, it's not wrong for the American people to look at it through that lens. Right. If we know that the pharmaceutical industry is pumping tons of ads into whatever program and they're not going to report on anything bad about the pharmaceutical industry, it's no question why we might have a little bit of distrust for that network. But that's also why it's actually complicated. When people kept looking at the Jimmy Kimmel situation, it wasn't just about Jimmy Kimmel. Bob Iger has to worry about the NFL and ESPN and the massive book of business he has in front of the FCC chair.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And so I'm just gonna. I hear you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because. So the answer to should we trust the media? Should be a resounding no based off everything I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. Can we also just stop saying the media?

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you're basically telling us y' all are still putting business over the people, over the truth of the Constitution. So don't be surprised when they don't trust people over the trust of the people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don't be surprised when they don't trust you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's that simple.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are we talking about here?

[Andrew Schulz]

It's like, to me, it's very simple. The media company goes, we would love to make this merger. We would make a lot of money, but we were going to have to fold on our journalistic convictions in order to do so because Trump was putting pressure. So we can't do it. We just refuse to do it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Guess who we're going to trust? That fucking platform. That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Stand. Yo, listen, I think it was Barack Obama who said it. Barack Obama was like, yo, some of the institutions just got to stand up. Ain't nobody standing up. They on their knees. So what are we the people supposed to do? You want us to trust the people we see standing in front of Alex? Cvs kneeling in front of Alex. Alex got his hand on the back of their neck. And we supposed to trust them.

[Andrew Schulz]

We can't trust them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

Can't trust them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's it.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're not willing to fight for yourself, why are we fighting for you?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, I don't know if that's the conversation. We're fighting because we're having our own conversations on our own platforms. I guess what we're saying is legacy media wonders why people are tuned into other outlets now.

[Andrew Schulz]

I meant like more the. The Harvard dude, like the Harvard summers, whatever. Like that, if this guy is willing, is stepping down. But he didn't do anything. He's stepping down because his connections with Harvey. But like he truly didn't do anything. He was trying to hook up with a 26 year old girl or something like that. If you are not even going to fight for yourself, don't expect us to fight for you. It's that simple. If you are not willing to fight for you, why are we going to fight for you? If you fight for yourself, let's get behind you. Let's show how this is unfair and that you're not even indicted. You're not even involved in this case at all. And you shouldn't have anything stripped from you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I think it's a cop out when they just try to say people are stupid. You know what I'm saying? People are just dumb. It's like, no, actually, the way y' all report the news is actually dumb.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nobody'S keeping an agenda on these networks.

[Andrew Schulz]

Favreau had a great point because they.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, the other. What was the young lady's name?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, Favreau. Remember when we were talking about that, he was like, I think that you're.

Belittling the intelligence of the viewer.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

He goes, when a viewer tunes into Ben's show or tunes into our show, they're aware of what they're tuning into.

[Alex]

That's right.

[Andrew Schulz]

The assumption from the legacy media is like, people don't know anything. And then they turn on a pod with Trump and then they're. It's like, no, no, they're aware. Then they turn on flagrants at comedy podcasts. They're aware when we're doing this show here that we're just fucking around, busting balls. They're aware. And they're aware when they tune into Ben that he's going to be incredibly sympathetic to conservative values, obviously super supportive of Israel. They're aware of that. They're not stupid. And I thought that was a great point because I think that the legacy people were more like, these people are being tricked and manipulated.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, they are. They're fully. A lot of these people are very informed. Very, very, very, very informed. They actually just probably either want to see another side or they're just tuning in because maybe. Well, Amna had a good point too. I can't remember what she.

[Andrew Schulz]

What I'm going to say, what was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We talking about right before that?

[Andrew Schulz]

It was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way, that's another reason I can't really be doing these panels because it's so much. I'll be fucking forgetting so fast. Like that should be moving. So motherfucking family. Hold on. What happened?

[Andrew Schulz]

Hold on. That was a good point.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I want to reply to that. Wait, whoa. But you know what? That was a good point too.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What was we talking about right before that?

[Andrew Schulz]

It was the intelligence of the people and we can't. You're assuming that these people are unaware of what they're watching.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't remember. I don't even know why I'm sitting there trying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Anyway.

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Alex]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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What else we got, Alex? What else going on in the world? What else is going on in the world, Guys?

[Chris]

Chris got it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do we got? Oh, my God. Kids don't need to read. Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. Hold on. Before we click on that, I just saw a headline that said jlo still got it. Before we get to you, L. Santana, can you just click on JLo still got it.

[Chris]

You don't even got. We know that's true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I ain't. I. Yeah, I know, but, you know, I just want to see more. Like, this is. This is just more evidence that JLO still got it. But I don't. I haven't seen this picture. But just the fact that that link was there. Oh, yeah. Salute to JLo. 56 years old. God bless, man.

God bless. JLO has defied every single stereotype of Latino.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Oh, my.

You know, if it's just glitch. No, no, listen, I'm trying to be respectful. Like, how old is she?

[Charlamagne tha God]

56. 56 years old.

[Andrew Schulz]

56 years old. She's in absolutely remarkable shape. I just think it's funny, like, the booty standards, because back in the day, JLO had the biggest ass that white people had ever seen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Which is crazy. I never thought that.

[Andrew Schulz]

And exactly. That's why I said white people.

[Chris]

She lost a little bit of.

[Andrew Schulz]

But she lost a little cake. She used to.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not the way. The way mainstream America made J. Lo's cheeks wasn't like.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think that. That's also fair.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, true.

[Andrew Schulz]

But we white people never seen anything like that. That was a different thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. I mean, Like New Yorkers. Yes, of course. But like, imagine a white kid grew up in the suburbs. A lot of flat asses they don't even know about. Glute exercises. Yeah, yeah, Deadlifts, none of that.

[Chris]

And then they always had JLO across from a white dude. So they're like, oh, shit, she's taking out.

[Andrew Schulz]

It was her and Carson Daly. Carson can't back that up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Causing that. Cheeks.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he didn't have no cheeks. So they're comparing it. Why?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you mean? Oh, when JLO was beyond trl right next to. Oh, oh, oh, got you.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, so it's a phenomenal butt. I just got to say, a 56 year old with a butt like that is absolutely sensational. We can only all hope and pray.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And let's also be clear. JLO is aging phenomenally. Phenomenally. For any risk, but the fact that she's Latino.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think you need to put a little more emphasis on this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We need to study some of her DNA, bro. This is like some Henrietta Lacks. Like, we need to know what the hell is going on. Like, we need to take a little bit of JLo's DNA and see if we can mutate this to create some type of anti aging drug, bro. Cause the way she is defying Latino stereotypes, See, body attacks. White women always get the freaking. Oh, you know, they expire quickly, they age like milk, blah, blah, blah, this and that.

Latinos, you know.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, Latinos is after the kid. It's the balloon animal spreading, you know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I gotta buy two seats on Southwest.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, it's big.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we notice though, like, it's okay, we noticed it.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's been a thing their whole body and existence into their children. It's no longer about that. They're such great, passionate, loving parents that they put everything, like they don't even matter anymore. It's all about putting love into those people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I thought it was because they ate two carbs with every meal.

[Andrew Schulz]

I was trying to put a spin on it. I was really trying to put a spin.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, but I think that you might.

[Andrew Schulz]

Be on to something.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I think it was. I think it's the two carbs with every meal. And then once you have a child, I think it's just one or the other. That's too much.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's one of the other.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That sounds like a whole dinner, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? That sounds like a feast. That don't sound like one meal. That sounds like a feast. One person should not have a Feast is what I'm saying. And so, yes, we've seen Latino women, you know, get a little big after some children. Jlo, 56 years old. How many kids you got?

[Chris]

I think three or four.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, like, come on, man. It's really a round of applause.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's a round of applause. Round of applause. JLo, you're not.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're not clapping, Chris.

[Chris]

There's others. There's, you know, we got Sofia Vergara.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Never had any kids or did she have a kid?

[Chris]

Eva Longoria.

[Andrew Schulz]

Eva. Got it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, Eva. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

But it's a different rating system if you had kids or didn't have kids. If you didn't have kids, you got no excuse. Stay in shape.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, you know what, Alex? That's a good shout out. All of those women that are defying Latino stereotypes, I agree with Eva Longoria, Selma Hayek. Selma Hayek.

[Chris]

Sopia Vergara.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sophia Vergara.

[Chris]

Kira Penelope Cruz.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, shout out to y', all, man, because people watch y' all eat two carbs with every meal for years. Have some kids, and they just assume that, you know, you're just going to become, you know, big mommy, but it's.

[Andrew Schulz]

Not going to happen. It's not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no.

[Andrew Schulz]

And you guys are putting in the work. It's not easy. No, that's work right there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shout out to JLo, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's why we can respect it. We can respect her body in the same way we respect a bodybuilder's body. They put a lot of work into that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Salute to all the Latino women defying stereotypes.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can Objectify women over 40. I feel.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I'm not objectifying any of them.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it's not objectifying.

[Alex]

I understand what you're saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Over 50, there's got to be an age. Yeah, we are. We're saying that her body looks incredible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's not objectification. That's an observation.

[Andrew Schulz]

I like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Objectification.

[Andrew Schulz]

Whole time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We're not here. We're not over here lusting over JLo. We haven't said anything inappropriate, sexual.

[Andrew Schulz]

What we're saying is just like a bodybuilder. When we look at a bodybuilder, we're not going, oh, my God, it's sexual. We're just going, wow, you've crafted an amazing body. She's crafting an amazing body.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When I was younger, much, much, much, much, much, much younger. One of my. I used to always say, I want to. I had five women that I wanted to suck a fault out there.

[Andrew Schulz]

But.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And JLo was on that list. That subjectification. That. That's silly. I don't do that type.

[Andrew Schulz]

Would you still do it?

[Chris]

That's. Damn.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. I'm married. I'm happily married. Happily married.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can't suck a fart out of a girl's butt.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, stop. See? You see how fast you. Quick. That turned objectification.

[Chris]

That has come back. And now it's like it's a thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you mean?

[Chris]

What was that?

[Andrew Schulz]

Kong Rips is what he called it.

[Chris]

No, no. Sniff in the seat.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Chris]

That comedian.

[Andrew Schulz]

Who? Chrissy D. What he say?

[Chris]

He was like. He said after what's her face. Sydney Sweeney got up, he sniffed a seat. But then it turned out to be the guy she dated.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. We got to arrest Chris. You got to put Chris in handcuffs.

[Chris]

Nah. But he sniffed a dude seat.

[Andrew Schulz]

It was Scooter. And Sydney came to the cellar to walk. Stand up. You saw the clip.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what's so crazy?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Every sniffing seat clip comes across my algorithm. I saw Chris Stephan incident.

[Andrew Schulz]

You was first bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Og. You really did. I only did it once.

[Chris]

Yeah. All it takes is one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And it was JLo CD.

[Andrew Schulz]

How was it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't even remember. Come on, Dr. Umar. Was there hours. A couple hours before I would have.

[Andrew Schulz]

Journaled.

Just in case I forgot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ah, that was so long ago.

[Andrew Schulz]

I know. We're different people now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We're not those humans anymore.

[Andrew Schulz]

We're different people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kids don't need to read. Joel. Santana, click on this immediately. Man, I had to come back and give Joel's donkey of the day for this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Tell me what he said.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Play the clip. Chris. Just. Just that. Just financial wealth and literacy and all that that early. Because by the time they get to ninth grade, they should be just learning how to start businesses and how to. But they don't really need to learn.

[Andrew Schulz]

How to know how to read.

I ain't gonna say that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I say that respectfully. I'm not saying that in a way to be literate because you're not supposed to be illiterate, but you can read. Or math. Math. Math.

[Andrew Schulz]

Told you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Math. I think you could get a. You could listen to a book on YouTube. You can still obtain the information. You don't have to know how to read. And understanding. I believe common sense is better than everything. I. I'm a common sense. I'd rather have zero book smarts and common sense. Be able to read the room, be able to read life, be able to read people. I try to understand people. Understand. I'm Saying, like, nowadays, you can listen to a book. I just listen to the 48 laws of power not to. You gotta reach the contract elves. You don't have to listen to that, too.

[Andrew Schulz]

They got, they got apps. You could put it in and it'll.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Read it to you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Are you crazy?

It probably will.

[Charlamagne tha God]

AI will now. That's what I'm saying. It's just how freaking.

So. And I'm not saying that in a bad way, like, you don't need to.

[Alex]

Know how to read.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's. You ain't got to read.

[Andrew Schulz]

The restaurant, you can just say, what.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Is this, a steak joint? I want steak. I want what y' all steak come with what y' all got. When the waiter come, way more important, when the waiter come, you be like, what? Come.

On. Here's the thing, man, I, I. And by the way, I even understand what they're trying to say, but they're just wrong. You have to read. And I think that they're conflating a few different things, right? They're saying people who know how to read, right? Which is one thing. And people who actually do read. There's a difference. There's some people who don't know how to read, right? And there's some people who don't like to read. I'm. I know how to read, and I like to read. And when he talked about math and financial literacy. Math and financial literacy are two different things. Math is how numbers work. Financial literacy is how money works. But in order to understand everything I just said, you have to read more because you'll have better comprehension skills. You'll have better understanding skills. You know what I'm saying? It gives you a better vocabulary. That's something that you should want as a rapper. You know what I mean? Like, I don't. I didn't understand any of this conversation. When they start, when they were talking about not knowing, I don't know what they were saying. I don't know. They don't know how to read or they don't want to read. Like, what was it?

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm assuming they're joking. I imagine it's like, here's a crazy hot take. And then just, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, come on. See you giving people the benefit of the doubt again. See, no, here's a way to put it.

[Alex]

He said, I'd rather be able to read a room than read a book. Right? Which I get. But the point is, the more books you read, the better you rooms you can.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[Alex]

Because you understand more people you have more context, you have more information.

[Charlamagne tha God]

One of the best books to read, he mentioned 48 laws of power by Robert Greene. Read the Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene. If you really want to know how you know to read a room, you know, when I use the cut, when I say things like, smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. That comes from reading what has happened, you know, throughout history to different people in different circumstances. That's how you can see something and be like, eh, I don't think I should do that because I, you know, I remember when I read that such and such did this and then that happened. So maybe I should stay away from that, you know?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah, I see that 100%.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And maybe I'll take that. I don't take anything personal, but as a person who not only enjoys reading, but literally has a book publishing imprint which Simon and she.

[Andrew Schulz]

It means a lot to you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. I'm from South Carolina, where the first anti literacy laws were even fucking creative.

[Andrew Schulz]

I met. Does Jewels, Does Jewels have kids?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's no way he's letting his kids not know how to read. Like, there's just no way. I, I think, I think he's being silly here. And he's on a fucking podcast that's geared towards having a good time hanging and joking and they're just saying a crazy hot take and then defending it. That's what I assume is happening. You guys think that they're actually making the argument.

[Alex]

It's a real scenario where people are now, like, why do I need these certain skills? Because my phone and AI and all these different tools can essentially do things for me. That's real.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't want to work out your brain.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, you shouldn't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what reading does. Crossword puzzles, all of that stuff works out your brain. Like it's like working out your muscles in your body. Like pick up a book, read it. You know what I'm saying? Like sharpen your skills a little bit when it comes to your mind, especially the older you get. Because boy, that cognitive decline is real. Especially nowadays because we're, we're half ass taking in so much information.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can you talk on that for a second?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Meaning, like we could be sitting here having a conversation and I might reach for my phone and I am listening to you, but, but I'm also trying to go through my phone. My brain is like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Andrew Schulz]

So it's like, how much shit are we actually remembering? Because it's not making it into that long term memory. Well, I guess long term memories you just need to continue doing over time. Time. But again, this half listening, half reading something, half taking in a headline. There's so much.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Half enjoying the moment.

Think about that. Half enjoying the moment. Think about how many great experiences we've all probably experienced over the last decade.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now we're just doing this kills me, man. Now we're doing this, man. Every concert is phones, man. Videotaping a concert that you're at, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, I bet you can go back and listen to this podcast 13 years ago. And we can. We was coming. We had stories just off the top of the brain about stuff that we just experienced. Now, that shit take a lot of. Yeah, that should take a lot to remember.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean? And I was thinking about that the other day. I was like, yo, I'll be wondering, do I take a lot of things for granted just because this has been our life for so long?

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, what do you imagine?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, I was using it in particular with last week. Last week I went from.

I was home in Mom's Corner. I was at my homegirl, Chris Kalin, she had her Princess Diaries Live podcast. And I went home and did that. Cause that's home team, you know what I'm saying? Chris is a really dope media personality from South Carolina. Heard her on the radio a few years ago, thought she sounded real dope and just, you know, put my arm around her like, you know, help her when I can. So she does this thing called the Princess Diaries Live Podcast. So I was there for that. Me and Cartier Brown. Cartier Brown has a show on the Food Network, cookbooks. She's got a restaurant in the Charleston Airport. Like, she's a big deal. And my homegirl, AJ from the We Talk Back podcast, you can subscribe to the Black Effect Podcast Network. So I went from that to flying to.

Atlanta to be with John o' Brien at the Operation Hope, you know, event that he does. And it was me. I interviewed Byron Allen on stage. Then I interviewed Stephen A. Smith, Byron Allen, and Sarah Jakes Roberts. Then I fly back to New York to do Breakfast Club. And then we go do this panel today. You know what I'm saying? Crazy. But it's just like, crazy. I ain't gonna remember none of this shit Friday.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, one of these things would've been the biggest thing in your years.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You see what I'm saying? I'm not gonna remember none of this shit Friday. And I'm gonna be Sitting around probably texting with shows and be like, yo, somebody told me that they was on a panel, yo.

[Andrew Schulz]

And they was talking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They was talking to Stephanie. Ruining Schultz would be like, that was us. I'm like, oh, shit. That was. I'm not even like, that's literally. We do so much shit.

[Alex]

He had to remind you on the thread that that was even happening today.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

He was like. He was like, yo, you want to do Brilliant Idiots in the morning Wednesday? I was like, bro, we got this New York Times thing. He's like, oh, yeah, we could do it after that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's great. And you know what's so crazy about that? My assistant had just sent me the text and was like, wow, you gotta do the. But she didn't say New York Times. She said, whatever the name of it was. Dealbook still thing tomorrow. My mind didn't even connect the dots.

[Andrew Schulz]

But your body.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

Telling you. Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You see what the fuck I'm saying? But you know another thing. And I said, this Saturday. Yo, Saturday, we was out in South Carolina. In South Carolina. And, you know, we on our edibles and we drinking. And somebody said something. Somebody said something about politics. Michael goes, I don't wanna talk politics. And I go, me neither. I just wanna be dumb. Let's just be dumb right now. Like, everybody, let's just get dumb. That's why you get high and drink. I don't wanna be dumb.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I wanna sit here and be dumb. Dumb.

[Alex]

Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And just yell out random shit like, I'm geeked up, looking for an eater. Hey. Hey, you know what an eater is? Hey, you know what an eater is?

[Andrew Schulz]

Do I?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Alex, you an eater?

[Chris]

No.

[Andrew Schulz]

How you not an eater? No. You're not an eater, bro.

[Chris]

No, I'm not.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris, you a eater.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You got a fiance and you not an eater?

[Chris]

Nope.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris said he's an eater.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You goddamn right Chris is an eater. Cause he's a happily married man. Yeah. You're not an eater.

[Andrew Schulz]

Come on, you gotta be an eater.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm embracing it. Cause I don't want it to offend me. I don't like the nicknames girls be giving us when it comes to what's.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wrong with being a munch.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't like that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why don't you like that? I don't know what's wrong with munching.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I did the Poor Mods podcast, but you probably ain't gonna see for another month. Cause you know, they put out their episodes weeks, Weeks later. But they had a good. They Got a. They call it wwe.

[Andrew Schulz]

What is that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Worldwide Eater. And I like that. That makes me feel like a champion.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wait, wait, why are you a Worldwide eater?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Just because it just makes you feel better to just be called a random eater. You don't wanna just be called an eater.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't wanna just be an eater.

[Andrew Schulz]

I wanna be somebody special.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wwe. Worldwide Eater. You don't want to be a Worldwide Eater, Alex. A champion. No, get you a belt. You need a belt with a mouth on it.

[Chris]

They basically just calling you like Tiana Trump.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What does she do?

[Chris]

She's a worldwide dick sucker.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that's dick scene. See, no, we're not talking about.

[Chris]

Yeah, but the opposite of that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, I'm not knocking. I'm not knocking with taste for. I'm not knocking what you got a taste for. I'm just saying.

Listen, I'm just.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why would you even bring up.

[Chris]

They're just saying, oh, you're a world renowned pussy eater. Like that's not.

[Andrew Schulz]

But what made you think about sucking cocks, man?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Word is born, bro.

[Chris]

Because when you talk about porn, why do you want.

[Andrew Schulz]

They don't have Worldwide. We talking about pleasuring our wives over here, man. Just tell us. Tell us what's up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There's no.

[Andrew Schulz]

Hey, hey, man. Are there male.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What happened? You want to not get married? What happened, bro? You want to be.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, when you locking it down? Yo, when you locking it down?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What happened?

[Chris]

I'm never going to tell the world. I ain't going through that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That is crazy what happened. I didn't realize we had Akash's picture.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't like what they've been doing to Akash the past few weeks, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, free Akash. The free Akash. Free.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The new episode of Flagrant. Man. Did it go well?

[Andrew Schulz]

You gotta watch it, man. We had him and we had him and just. Well. Oh, am I it? Everybody already knows by now. Yeah, just watch it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I just don't like it because it's such a sensitive subject. That's somebody. That's your. That's your. That's his wife.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean? Yeah. They public. Well, can I say what I want to say? Of course.

[Andrew Schulz]

This is what Brilliant Idiots is about.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's simply this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Keep your wife off the Internet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why does your wife have a microphone in her face? Not allow your wife to start a motherfucking podcast, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. There can be one entertainer in this family and it shall be me. I'm the comedian. I'm out here on this road and I'm out here getting the money. Let me use some of this money to help you do some other things. Yo. Cause you don't need a microphone in your face. Cause you gonna fuck around and ruin us.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, not just you, but go watch the episode. We had a great talk with Akash and Jessleen, and it was awesome. And it was very funny because I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don'T want to have to explain because you asked my wife. I'm always having my wife's back.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, as you can.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And. But. But guess what?

[Andrew Schulz]

And so much of this was bullshit. And then there are things.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tell me what was bullshit.

[Andrew Schulz]

She's a. She was a virgin. She was never a whore.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That video of her talking about sleeping with a bunch of men was not real.

[Andrew Schulz]

She never said she slept with it. She said I was popping my pussy at frat parties. And she's a sheltered Indian girl who thought that meant dancing. And then the rest of us were like, what the fuck did you really mean by that? So we had that conversation. But, like, all, like, her being a whore completely out of context.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, didn't she talk about.

[Andrew Schulz]

Say it, Say it, Say it. Say we literally. We discussed everything on the pod.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sucking cocks.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, you never said that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

There was never a video about that.

[Andrew Schulz]

She said the Aakash's balls smell like a homeless person.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

Not Steph Curry with this shock boy.

[Andrew Schulz]

They call. They call. They call her chicken curry. God damn.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would she say that?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a good point. So we had those conversations.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Go watch the episode, brothers.

[Andrew Schulz]

Clears up a lot of shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My brothers.

[Andrew Schulz]

And also, she just acknowledges, like, yo, that was stupid. Like, I shouldn't be fudgeing. Share that. I can see why the audience thought it was this thing. Like, there was a lot of quote, delete it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Delete the podcast.

[Andrew Schulz]

Delete our.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No more influence. No, I'm talking about her.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We're working on no influencers. I don't want. No, you don't let your wife be influencers. Don't let your wife be podcasters, man.

[Chris]

Not about letting.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No let. No let.

[Andrew Schulz]

No let.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No let. No. There's certain things we can't do.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cause we know that it's detrimental to our situation.

[Chris]

You should just encourage your wife not to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it ain't. No encouragement. No, no, no, no. No rules. Yeah. Some things. No, no, no. Some things when they're detrimental to us. No. Can she encourage you not to cheat?

[Andrew Schulz]

They do that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no. She tells you, don't fucking cheat.

[Andrew Schulz]

How well did that work? Very well.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Very Fucking well, very well.

[Andrew Schulz]

Maybe if she was encouraging.

As the set. Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, man, listen.

[Andrew Schulz]

You don't think your wife was like, get these microphones away from the radio host.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This motherfucker out here destroying our marriage. But no, that's true. But all of that is true.

[Andrew Schulz]

You are the Jessaline singer.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All that is true. I'm in the fucking radio station, putting on an ax, sniffing seats, wilding the fuck out. Yes. Embarrassing myself and embarrassing my fucking way.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, I'm glad that we. I'm glad we could have this intervention. Absolutely do it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

True. So, yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Christmas spirit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So I'm saying all of that to say, women, learn from my mistakes. Stay the fuck off these podcasts. Don't be on these motherfucking podcasts. Don't be an influencer.

[Alex]

Okay.

I know she wouldn't do it, but suppose your wife said to you, listen, me and my friends, these great conversations together.

[Chris]

Black Effect.

[Andrew Schulz]

I want to be on Black Effect.

[Alex]

Black Effect.

[Chris]

I want to write a book.

[Andrew Schulz]

I want you to champion black female voices. Put me on black.

[Charlamagne tha God]

A book. I wouldn't mind. If it's a book about. You can edit it. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Hold on. We taking that part. You're not gonna just call me a regular eater.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know why I like, I wanna be a worldwide eater with ww.

All right? But no, see, that's different, because books are well thought out. You know what I'm saying? You're actually sitting down, you're fleshing out ideas. You have a concept, you have a. A topic, you have an agenda that you're actually pushing through. This book, like a book can actually help somebody, especially if you sharing your real life experiences. You know what I mean? But just getting on a podcast, trying to make jokes, and I'm the comedian?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

You sure made him laugh.

[Andrew Schulz]

Crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You made him laugh the last few weeks. You gave the Internet hella content. Lot of it. No, man. No, no, no, no.

[Andrew Schulz]

What was your favorite name?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jada Pinkett.

[Andrew Schulz]

Jada Pinkett Singh. That is phenomenal. Whoever came up with that. This is just Jada.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jada Pinkett Singh was hilarious.

[Andrew Schulz]

They said her podcast is called Red Dot Table Talk.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Red Dot Table Talk is hilarious, by the way, man. There's another thing before we go to commercial, man.

Man, these racist jokes be so good. They be rooted in racist stereotypes. Hey, come on, man. You gotta laugh at some of these.

[Andrew Schulz]

We asked her, we asked her, was like, was any of this shit funny? She was like, nah. Red Dot Table Talk was Red Dot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, Jada Pinkish thing is the host of red dot table talk.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's fantastic, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Give that man a fucking rage, yo. Yeah, get a drum or something. Alex. What? Seriously, that shit was great. There was another one. What was the other one?

[Alex]

Solo. Akash22 made me laugh.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, Adam22. Adam22 sent me a picture of Akash's face put on to Adam. I gotta get this. But, yeah, they were cooking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody said, another one. They was like, just because you look like. What's the dude from the Simpsons?

[Chris]

Apu.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Just because you look like Apu.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't be a Simpson.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, there was a. Yeah, it was a song. No, no, no, There was a song that was done. And then somebody said, like, that we took down the song, which is absolutely. We've never done that ever. But, like. And one of the bars was.

One of the bars was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Just because you want to be Apu doesn't mean you have to be a simp, son.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's Bar. I think the guy's name is Crack Amico. Yes, Crack.

[Chris]

Oh, he makes a bunch of.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, he does a lot of, like. Like roasty rap songs in the.

[Chris]

Do we wanna.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I don't know if we're gonna play. Sorry, Craig, we don't play the whole thing right here. Want to watch it so bad, though.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, don't. I mean, I really. I'm gonna be honest with you, man. It's hard for me to watch people I know go through this kind of.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Even though I know it comes with the territory.

[Andrew Schulz]

This was. This was the whole Internet and it was fucking. And it's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, it's. I mean, it comes with the territory. I get it. I just. I'm not. I don't. I don't like to see it, you know?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, it's horrible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Especially when, you know, I can't get no jokes in. You know what I mean? Like, at least.

[Andrew Schulz]

So everybody gonna have fun with us. Everybody can have fun with us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what's gonna happen.

[Andrew Schulz]

I see. I see how it is.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm texting y' all like, yo, Akash, good. Yo, Akash, good.

[Andrew Schulz]

I had a lot of people reach out. That's how I knew it was getting fucked up with, like, people that are not connected to this at all were messaged me. Yo, is Akash okay?

[Chris]

Bruh? This is the first Thanksgiving I had that didn't end in an argument because three hours was just talking about that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, because it was just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, it's just like the. The situation got its own, like, reality and Then once it takes its own reality.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know how when you realize it's dumb, you realize it's dumb when you're sitting around trying to explain it to somebody else. Because even at the panel today, you got all of these distinguished journalists.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who just know they've been hearing something. So they're like, these are the most.

[Andrew Schulz]

Refined journalists in America all sitting around. And I'm just like, all right. So here's what actually happened. The editor of the New Yorker.

That came up at the Florida.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I'm listening to Show Talk. So I'm like, oh, so wait, she wasn't talking about sleeping with other guys. Exactly. Andrew was like, no. You know, she just saying she popped that pussy. And Stephanie goes, pop that pussy.

I don't think. Pop that pussy. Pop that pussy. I don't think that's something I should say.

[Andrew Schulz]

The cr. It's like, you see why things. You see why things start to, like, get their own reality. Shit happens with us every single fucking week. Right? So. But it is. You do really feel for somebody when it's their wife. I know they put their relationship out there, and that's fucking dumb. Don't do that. But.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I respect that he addressed it, you know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

Because he's gonna address it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't give a fuck. Stephen A. Smith. When I was on the panel with Stephen A. Smith this week, man, it was funny. Cause Stephen A. Smith said, you know, he's on every day. He's on every day for first take. He's on his podcast every day. But he doesn't address, you know, everything that people say about him. And I'm like, bullshit, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Stephen, come on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But here's the point. He was like, I addressed about 2% of what people actually say about me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And he was like, I only address it when it benefits me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. And that's right. And it's true. The thing about it shows. If we addressed 100%.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no. We never have a podcast.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If we addressed 100% of what people say about us.

[Andrew Schulz]

But we all only addressed 2%.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I barely addressed that. I'm like, stephen A. I address it when I think it's beneficial for me to.

[Andrew Schulz]

Or when it's so big, you can't ignore it. Like, this is one of those things where it was just so big, you can't ignore it. Like, us just pretending to have a podcast talking about, like, oh, the boats of Venezuela. Like, we all really want to know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It depends. Because for me, it's like if I've already addressed it the way I want to address it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me ask you a question. What was a more precise targeted strike? The boats of Venezuela or.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't want to say it. I would say it, but I'm not going to say it. Or what you going to say Akash's wife's doc? God damn, bro. What?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I wasn't going to say that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What?

[Andrew Schulz]

She doesn't have that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, she don't? No. Oh, I didn't know.

I didn't fucking know. How does it stool? I didn't never pay no attention. It's one of those things like you don't really pay no attention if somebody tells you it's there. You just. It's like the Mandela effect. Like she. Don't.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don't do that. Don't fucking do that.

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh my God. Let's pay some bills.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let's do it.

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, let's get back to the show. We got church announcements.

[Andrew Schulz]

Hey, announcements, Rhode island march. I think it's 28th. I'm going to be there at the Rhode Island Comedy Festival. And I will see you out there. It was a city that we did not go to last tour, but we'll see you there. All new material. I'll see you there in March. You get [e-mail] Bong.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Alex, you got church announcements.

[Chris]

I have a show. It's called AM Mornings.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Chris]

And so it's a play off of things that exist now, like radio, where you have people who call in for whatever topic you have, but just a new age take on it. Everybody has to show their face because I just hate the fact that people are online and you either have bots or you just have people being super polarizing. And I think we're all more alike than we care to believe. And so, yeah, my show, a.m. mornings. You call in every Sunday, 11am dope. Yeah, it's fun. I've been doing it. A couple practice episodes we have. We're up to like 300 people signed up right now. And it's like it's moving on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What platform?

[Chris]

Patreon.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Dope. Congratulations, brother. My church announcements. Make sure you go out there, pre order Arsenio Hall's new memoir, arsenio. It'll be out next year. Be a black privileged publisher. My book imprint. Go out there and pre order 2 Chainz. The voice in my head is God. That'll be out next year as well. Go out there and pre order Tell Death Do We Parent by Jess. Hilarious. And listen, man, stocking stuffers, Christmas is right around the corner. Don't listen to Joel Santana. Reading is very important, okay? Go out there and purchase some books, man. We got Don Staley, uncommon favor on them bookshelves right now. Cheryl McKissack, the Black family who built America on those bookshelves. Decisions, decisions from Mandy and Weezy on those bookshelves, man. So make sure you go pick up those books for the holidays. Okay? Now, Odell Beckham. I thought this was interesting.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. What happened?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, I think sometimes people live their life as they should, right? They live their life and they talk about their experiences and they talk about what they went through. And I think they forget that when they're on these podcasts and these other platforms and it goes on the Internet, they're talking to 99% of people who don't know what the fuck they even talking about. So Odell Beckham was talking about the struggles of making NFL money, and he got outraged because he said that $100 million is tough to make that last forever. Can we play the clip right here.

[Andrew Schulz]

Today, as we speak? I'm gonna be straight for the rest of my life, no question.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right?

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't think everybody is in that. And when you've sacrificed your whole life to get here and you're like, Yeah, I played 10 years in the league and I always explain this to people. I'm like, bro, you give somebody a five year, $100 million contract, right? What is it really? It's five years for 60. You're getting taxed.

[Chris]

Do the math.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's 12 a year. You know, that you have to spend, use, save, save, invest.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Flaunt, whatever.

[Andrew Schulz]

However, just being real, I'm gonna buy a car, I'm. Give my mom a house. I'm gonna do. Everything costs money. So if you spending $4 million a year, that's really 40 million over five years, eight a year, you know, and now you start breaking down the numbers. It's like, that's a five year span.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Of where you're getting 8 million.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can you make that last forever?

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you always hear the people who.

[Andrew Schulz]

Ain'T us and ain't been in the.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Position, like, oh, well, that would last a lifetime. Well, you're not getting no sympathy for that one, my boy. Right? That's number one. Number two, yes, you can make $40 million last forever.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, 60 million.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But yeah, now I will say it's interesting conversation because I always say the best thing that ever happened to me was I got money much later in life, you know what I'm saying? I was at John Hope Bryant's event this week, and that was one of the questions that somebody asked me. They was like, yo, what's the worst thing? What's the worst financial decision you ever made? And I honestly haven't made one. And the reason I haven't made one is because, as I always say, smart people learn from their own mistakes, wise people learn from the mistakes of others. And the fact that I got money much later in life and I've never had devices that other people have, it's easy to say things like, I don't Want no Bentley. I don't want no Phantom when you can't afford it.

[Alex]

All right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

But you really know you bout that life when you can afford it. I don't want that shit. Like, that shit don't do nothing for me in any way, shape or form. I literally like.

Helping other people in some way, shape or form. I would be that type of philanthropist. When you hear these people, when you hear these stories about, oh, this guy gave half of his wealth to such and such, blah, blah, blah. I know for a fact I would be that kind of person, because I'm that kind of person now. So whatever you do with $100, you probably gonna do with 100 million. Whatever you do with $1,000, you probably gonna do with, you know, a thousand million. I don't know what the fuck that is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Also, he.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Fuck.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm saying he didn't just make the hundred million. He got the. I'm sure he got sponsorships. I'm sure he did commercials, endorsement, you know, all these other different things. There's like an engagement fee. There's tons of other ways to make money when you're. What I think is really important and what I think is unfortunate in terms of, like the messaging here. It's like if you're making 100 million over what, what is it, five years?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So that's 20 million a year. Yeah.

[Alex]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now again, he has taxes getting taken out, and he also has his agents, managers, and all that. Of course, yes. But let's. Let's just do. He said 60. Let's just do 50.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

So you're getting like 10 a year.

You can just let $10 million sit in a bank account and at a very conservative rate, let's say you get 5% back. Right? What is that? $500,000. Right. That's what you're just going to get on interest is $500,000 every year. Right. You can find a way to live off $500,000 a year. Can you flash and do the bling and buy the fucking Rolls Royces and all these things?

[Charlamagne tha God]

This guy has a $9 million car collection. Why?

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, exactly. So, so, like there's some personal accountability that needs to be held here. It's like that amount of money, you can live for the rest of your life and your family never has to touch a single thing. But you have to live a different lifestyle than maybe the one that you want to live. And when you're a young kid and there's these things that you always dreamed about buying, I understand how you feel compelled to buy them. But let's not put out the messaging like, you can't do it. Like, you can. You just chose to buy frivolous shit. They're not assets that you can, you know, increase in value over time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I like spending money on experiences.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'll ball out on a vacation all day long. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's cool. But the phantoms and the ghosts and the jewelry and all that stuff like that, why I don't have that ain't. That's not in me. You know what I mean? I shop at H and M and Zara when I want to splurge, okay? Other than that, I'm ordering off Coofandy on Instagram. I'm ordering off Temu. You know what I mean? I keep tags on my clothes. I keep the tags on the clothes from Zara to take back.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, I don't give a. Like, who's trying to impress some of.

[Andrew Schulz]

These cars you can probably sell back. But there's other questions. Like, why wouldn't you just lease the car? Like, where's your financial advisor that goes, hey, you're gonna get bored of this car in a year. You like flexing, Lease it for a year, then give it back. How much driving are you even doing yourself? You know, like, a lot of this, I think, is keeping up with the Joneses. And when you're with. Really? Oh, yeah. So it's like all the other really wealthy, successful people have these things. They have a big boat. You're like, all right, well, I'm gonna get a boat. When I go to St. Barts, it's like, well, maybe you gotta hang out in your boy's boat.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And he ain't keeping up with the Joneses. Keeping up with the Jay Z's. You know what I'm saying? Keeping up with the burp.

[Alex]

These guys are also athletes. They're competitive by nature.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Alex]

They want to have the best. They want to be seen as the best. And they shoot themselves in the foot. I mean, it's like, hey, when I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Heard Marshawn lynch say that he never spent a football check, that shit put so much in perspective for me. I heard this years ago.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And it's like, when you start having multiple streams of income, if you put yourself in that position, God bless.

If you have one of those streams of income that takes care of everything, your lifestyle and all of that, all of that other stuff should be gravy. Like, that should be just money that you saving, putting in your S&P 500, protect your family. Putting in your savings account that bills interest. That's what you should be doing with that money.

[Andrew Schulz]

That doesn't mean you can't buy things. You can buy assets.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can buy property. You can buy, you know, a fucking car wash. Like, there's tons of things you can buy, but they're not going to be crystals.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Crystal, Crystal franchises.

[Andrew Schulz]

But they might not be super glamorous and successful. And I think that's something he got a record with, which is like, yo, you want to buy glamorous bougie shit? And now you probably don't have as much money as you could have if you invested that money. And not risky investments.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not buying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Not even risky.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not buying nothing that can't appreciate with value.

[Andrew Schulz]

In some ways, there's nobody that makes $100 million in their life that should ever not have enough money to spend for the rest of their life. Plain and simple. That's the end of the discussion.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Full fucking stop.

Full fucking stop. If you can't live off that, you really are doing something wrong. Speaking of which, Trump wants to get rid of income tax.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now we talking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we not.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why we not?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why not?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I did some research on this because, you know, everything sounds good in theory, but. Yeah, what this guy says in this tweet. Hold on, let's listen to. Because the money we're taking in is so great, it's so enormous that you're not going to have income tax to pay whether you get rid of it or just keep it around for fun.

[Andrew Schulz]

Or have it really low, much lower than it is now, but you won't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Be paying income tax. We've slashed $1 trillion.

[Andrew Schulz]

So here's an interesting thing about this. Ready? Everybody's going to be, oh, he's just taking care of his rich friends, blah, blah. His rich friends don't make income, they make capital gains. Steve Jobs got paid a dollar a year in income or whatever it was from Apple. All these guys are making their money on the stock market or they have stock options for the companies they work for. They find these ways to get out of the income tax hustle, because income tax at that point is 50%. Odell Beckham Jr. Exactly what he was talking about. As an athlete, you make income. LeBron makes income, right? The owner of the Lakers makes capital gains, right? Because the Lakers is probably held in some entity, and then when they sell it, you're buying the entity that owns it, and then you only pay the.

[Alex]

Capital gains which is a far taking loans against it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, this is the greatest hustle of all time. They take loans against their assets and loans are tax free. You're not paying. So I understand the immediate reaction to this which is, oh, this, the rich are just going to get richer. It's like yeah, of course there are tons of people that are making lots of money that will benefit this. But like the billionaire class, the Elon's in them, they're not making fucking yes, they're making some income. But the majority of their wealth is held up in this thing that is outside of the taxation system. So if you want to find a way to tax that shit, let's talk.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm all about talking about tax the rich.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's not the rich. Oh, tax the trillionaires, the billionaire, like if you want to. Oh, the wealthy, the real, real money. But this kind of shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Andrew Schulz]

This right here is going to benefit.

[Chris]

No, I thought the pushback to this was the fact that even if you get rid of income tax, all the additional money you have to spend because of his tariff is the same as paying income tax.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I wrote some of this now last night.

[Andrew Schulz]

But then it's your choice, like you could choose to not buy if you don't want. Now this might be horrible for the economy, like it's like food prices, it would be terrible. But you're already going to buy that anyway. And now you have income taxes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is why Jewel, this is why it's important to read kids raising the price.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's. This is not going to happen. We can't, I don't think that our like financial system would exist. No income tax. I think, no, I don't think it's possible. What I'm saying is the knee jerk reaction that I think many people, myself included first felt was oh, this is just gonna help the rich people. The rich people already aren't paying income tax. They've found ways around it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wait a minute, first of all, rich person, okay, no you're not. You and I are just, we just regular rich. When I first heard that, the first thing I thought was shit. Cuz it sounds good in theory, right? Imagine you didn't have to pay no income tax. Whoa, you know what I mean? How chunky those checks would look. But then it's like, nah. Like when you actually do a little bit of research on it, right. First of all, the government loses its main source of money. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible overnight. And so they said they would have to rebuild around some type of new taxes. Like it would be a national sales tax. So the price of goods and shit would go up. It'd be like a wealth tax.

[Chris]

He's saying that the tariffs are gonna.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but the government loses 50% of its money. Right. So that's massive cuts to every major program. Medicaid, Medicare, federal education funding, infrastructure, housing programs, SNAP veteran services grants to states. So schools, police, roads. America would be a shithole country. Yeah, right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Alex]

No, this is like his 50 year mortgage scheme. He's just throwing shit against the wall, hoping to distract from the shape that the economy's in. He knows the economy is the problem.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right.

[Alex]

So he's just trying to come up with a, you know, whether it's here is going to be, you know, a thousand dollars to every citizen or now with the Dells, you know, they're going to give everybody $2,000 as charity.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. $250 to 25 million kids.

[Alex]

These are schemes. These are hustles, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't understand that either. And why I gotta go through the Treasury.

[Andrew Schulz]

I like that one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I actually.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But why through the Treasury? Why did that money have to go through the Treasury?

[Alex]

It's like they're gonna, that's the point. If they want to make.

[Chris]

Well, because they're gonna open up.

[Alex]

He's not gonna pay taxes now because he's giving away this massive tax free charity gifts. So it's saving him money. Now granted it'll go into the pockets of people, but they're routing it through the government. Right. It's also.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But if you want to give kids, why don't you just give the kids.

[Andrew Schulz]

The wrong one to be upset about?

[Alex]

Maybe the 50 year mortgage.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, 50 year mortgage I think is a little bit better. It's like you save a couple hundred dollars a month, but now you're going to be paying so much more over this time.

[Alex]

And they're going to raise interest rates because now they're exposed to more potential losses for another 20 years.

[Charlamagne tha God]

By the way, I'm not mad at the sick. I just want to know why is it going through the Treasury? The treasury is not a nonprofit. Like it's not. Why would it not a foundation?

[Chris]

Because they're going to give each kid a investment. The idea is the person doesn't get the money. It's just an investment account. So it's really just taking money and investing it back into America.

[Andrew Schulz]

No big deal. I said this on the podcast, it's fine.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But they took another idea from us.

[Andrew Schulz]

It Is no big deal. That's what we do. We're the brain. Truck child or brain.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, the problem.

[Andrew Schulz]

Talk to me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We really don't remember none of this shit.

[Andrew Schulz]

That is a problem.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, I think it's a good idea. Because the reason why I thought it was good is because it gets. One of the big chasms in the economy right now is that there are people invested in the market, seeing these massive gains over the last decade. And then the majority of the people, at least 50% of the people in the country are not invested at all. So they keep on hearing the Biden administration say the economy's great, and they're like, what do you mean it's fucking great? It's not great at all. I'm not invested in Nvidia. I'm not invested in Palantir. I'm not invested in any of these companies.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't have no fucking stocks.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I hate it when they did that shit.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So these kids now get this invested at a very young age. And I. And ideally, the. The money is invested in these companies. And these companies continue to grow. And by the time they're 18, hopefully, if America continues to thrive and succeed, now they're invested in the success of America, which we would want every kid in America to be invested in, ideally.

[Chris]

And it will start an account for a kid as soon as they're born. And so now that gets everybody more invested in stock market or now you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Have financial literacy because you rely on it.

[Chris]

That's actually a good thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I gotta see it to believe.

[Andrew Schulz]

Of course we have to, because I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Still don't even know. Have we met any of these military people who got some of that money, that $130 million that was supposed to go for them?

[Chris]

I don't know.

[Alex]

During the government shutdown to support the Pentagon.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, we forgot about that. Yo, you know, Donald Trump. You know Donald Trump's organization is getting $150 million for one of those casinos in Queensland.

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I. Oh, it's a fact. I'm not making this. Oh, no, no.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm not denying that. I'm just. I'm, like, conflicted about putting a casino in New York City.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. Are you not conflicted about your president taking $150 million?

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, yes, of course.

[Chris]

We're about to get three of them.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, I think three are proof, but I don't know if any of them. 3. I don't know if any of them. Are actually going to be erected. I think that there's, like, land that was set.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, no, no. Three is coming.

[Andrew Schulz]

You really?

[Chris]

Yeah, I think.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah. They approved it.

[Chris]

He got approved?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Trump could receive $115 million tied to Valley's $4 billion casino plan at the Ferry Point Golf course in the Bronx.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't exactly. I don't fucking know. Why?

[Andrew Schulz]

Does he own the land or something? What is he.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I have no fucking.

[Chris]

I know he has a golf course up there in the Bronx. I don't know.

[Alex]

Is that the one when you come off? What's the bridge? Is it the white.

[Andrew Schulz]

White, white zone?

[Alex]

Yeah. You see that? With a lot of the little.

[Andrew Schulz]

Maybe.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Let me see if I could find more.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know.

[Alex]

But.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I don't like the way that sounds. But if he owned the land before he was president and they're buying the land from him then, and that just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I really don't know. The project's included.

[Chris]

Shout out to NASA.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Bally's paid to Trump organization. $60 million. Okay, I get.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, yeah. That's why. Man saluted. I really think a casino in Times Square would have been great, guys.

[Andrew Schulz]

So we had this debate.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

So it's like, there's obviously concerns with a casino. Okay, let's look at, like, the fun stuff, right? It's. You're out, you're having dinner with your boys. You're like, do we want to go out? I don't know if I want to go to a nightclub. Fuck. You want to go to the casino and just hit the tables for a little bit? Or you want to go to the Cino and, like, maybe there's a little party there or whatever. Like, it's something to do that's open 24 hours. It's kind of interesting. There's something going on. It's interesting.

Then the knocks, of course, are. And this isn't. This is less for a city like New York because there's so many tourists. But when you have a city that people aren't going to a lot that has a casino, then it's like its own people are spending the money in the casino. And then the idea is that, like, the casino is extracting the wealth of the people, which you don't want. When you want people coming to New York City and millions traveling all the time, and you want them already spending money in restaurants and dump a little bit more over there where people have jobs and they work, and then you're like, okay, that could potentially.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Times Square is a fucking tourist attraction.

[Alex]

But wouldn't they be dumping less in the local economy? Because they're going to. Traditionally, everybody loses at a casino ultimately.

[Andrew Schulz]

So the idea is that, like, if you really want to do it right, you would do it kind of how like the NET Stadium did. And, like, where you have, like, local businesses have representation there, so you have the selka, the diner gets to have there. And that's what the Net. And that's what I would do. If I'm like a local legislator. I'd be like, okay, you want a casino in fucking Times Square? You're not going to put McDonald's and all these other things in here. You're going to put our local businesses there so they can thrive on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I saw. I used to see all the flames. Like they had them. Like. Like it was. It was. I thought it would be a good thing. And we act like this hasn't worked in different places. Like it would clearly works in Vegas. Right.

[Chris]

Do you have any knowledge why the Times Square one didn't go through?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, because the local. What was this? What's called? The cac, I think it's called. What's what? I can't. I don't remember what CAC stands for, but they voted it down. They voted down for it, too. Broadway. Oh, Broadway. Broadway wasn't really fucking with it like that. They had stuff. They had some people from Broadway like, oh, what's my guy name? Fuck the actor. His face is in my mind. Wendell Pierce. Okay, Wendell Pierce. I'm sorry, Wendell. Salute to Wendell. Wendell Pierce. Wendell Pierce was down for it, you know what I mean? Because he saw a lot of the things that ROC Nation and SL Green wanted to do in regards to the casino and what they wanted to do for Broadway. But Broadway felt like it was gonna bring.

Too much traffic, crime. And they thought that it would be taking away from the essence of Broadway. I love Broadway, right? I go to a lot of Broadway plays, but the Broadway audience is aging out. And there's only. But so many times you gonna go to see a Broadway play, you know.

[Andrew Schulz]

They should be very concerned.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was in Atlanta earlier this week, and my greeter was telling me how she came to New York to come see Hamilton. But that's the type of people who are still coming to see those plays. Like, people come from out of town to see Hamilton and MJ The Musical and the Lion King and all of this stuff like that. It's like, yo, I've seen probably everything on Broadway at least once. How many times do I need to see it?

[Chris]

Yeah, you know it's so bad. Every new show that came out this year, they're all in the red. There's not a single successful new show on Broadway.

[Andrew Schulz]

But it takes time to build a show.

[Chris]

They said this is the first year that. That really all. Not usually.

[Andrew Schulz]

Usually Broadway shows it would take a decade to make money at or something.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What other investment is in Times Square? Like there's no investment being made in Times Square. Times Square. New York City should look like Abu Dhabi.

[Alex]

Disney made a big investment in Times Square. Yeah, Disney has over the last 15.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Or 20 years as far as like what Broadway and stuff like that.

[Chris]

Like lion kids. But those are the only. Those are the only ones that people go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you need something else, man. Like the casino would have been perfect. You know what I mean? Yeah, you got casinos in Detroit that work, but you got casinos in Maryland that work.

[Andrew Schulz]

Detroit is like the example where I would be hesitant about Maryland.

[Chris]

The problem with Broadway tickets are too expensive.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The tickets just keep getting more and.

[Andrew Schulz]

Then the only people that can afford it are people who are 60 years old. They're retired. Yeah. Well, it's also. There's not a culture for young people to go watch shows on Broadway.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Chris]

I think if it was cheaper, they would go.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I agree with you on that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And there's dope shit. You can go see Stranger Things on Broadway. Fire. You know what I'm saying? You go see MJ the musical on Broadway. Fire. Hamilton. Fire. Like there's dope ass shit to go see on fucking Broadway. I like maybe Happy Ending.

[Andrew Schulz]

Stage plays absolutely phenomenal. I'm not joking. That is the name of it. I'm not joking. Maybe Happy Endings.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I ain't never seen that one nowhere.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you Google it right now. Google right now. Darren Criss is starring in it right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Fucking Chris. Google that shit. It's gonna be a bunch of Asian parlors pop up.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's maybe happy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

A bunch of Asian massage parlors.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay. Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

Maybe happy ending. Sorry.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, okay. I never saw that one.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm going to see that. Bob.

[Chris]

They are Asian too.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, he's not. Which there was a big thing about it, but it's originally a Korean.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I seen Wicked Broadway on Broadway.

[Andrew Schulz]

Musical Wicked.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The movie sucks, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

You saw the new one or the old?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I saw the new one. The kids love it. But that ain't for me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really. You didn't with it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because I don't be. I'm like.

[Andrew Schulz]

The first one was Fire.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but I don't want to know the prequel to that shit, you know what I mean? Like, that shit was kind of spooky. You know how the Tin man became the Tin Man?

[Andrew Schulz]

No heart.

[Charlamagne tha God]

A fucking handicapped girl. He was smashing, right? Handicapped. A handicapped witch. He was smashing. Put a spell on him.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, is that it? Yes.

[Chris]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Put a spell on him. And then her sister tried to reverse the spell. Motherfucker becomes a tin man or some shit that has a vendetta against the girl. Cause the girl in the wheelchair was like. It was my sister. So the shit is so crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, that's reasonable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cowardly Lion, I thought was a nice gay lion, you know what I mean? Had the little bow in his hair.

[Andrew Schulz]

But why he gotta be gay?

[Charlamagne tha God]

He was just a fucking lion that was living in a zoo. And the witch let the lion go. And so he had to go out in the. He was so used to being a kept lion that when he was out.

[Andrew Schulz]

In the world, he was scared.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Scared is as fuck. The scarecrow. It's all about cheats. Now that I think about it.

[Andrew Schulz]

It is all about cheats. It's all about cheats.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The scarecrow, liked, was supposed to marry one witch. Supposed to marry Ariana Grande, but fell in love with the green witch.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, Elphaba.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And then fucking they took him out. I don't. They took him out the field to beat him or some shit. And so they put a spell on this fucking. She put a spell on him so he couldn't feel pain. So he ends up being a scarecrow. This shit is like, what the fuck?

And it was one of those things with my kids, you know, My kids love it. I'm enjoying. So I'm in and out of sleep, seeing how shit plays. I'm like, man, I'm going back to fucking sleep. Then I wake back up like, what? How the fuck did 10, man? Did what? Go back to sleep. Wake back up. What? The lion. What? Go back to sleep. You know what I mean? Then they show the house falling on the handicapped woman.

And in the original, her legs are hanging out like this. And I'm sitting there thinking her legs are so limp. Cause the house fell on her. She was a paraplegic the whole time. The whole fucking time, you know what I'm saying? And how you a witch in a wheelchair, but a spell can't make you walk. Abracadabra, Abra fucking kadabra, man. God damn. Yo, Wicked, man. That shit ain't for me, you know what I mean?

[Andrew Schulz]

It sound like it was you was loving.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I just don't know why it's so dark.

[Andrew Schulz]

You were affected by it, huh?

[Charlamagne tha God]

My older daughter was telling me how the original Wicked is actually dark. I didn't read the original Wicked. I know. We're going off to see the wizard and all that.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, the original wizard of Oz.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Whatever. The bro. They showed a. They showed him trying to make the Yellow Brick Road. That was crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wait, why? Who was doing it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

The Mexican.

Mexicans. And they was pushing these horses and they was making the Yellow Brick Road.

[Andrew Schulz]

How do you know it was Mexican?

[Charlamagne tha God]

They said it in the movie.

[Andrew Schulz]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, they do. They don't got real. What? They say it in the fucking movie.

[Chris]

What do they say?

[Andrew Schulz]

What do they say?

[Charlamagne tha God]

It is the Mexican. Hold on. What the. That up.

[Chris]

So they got witches and goblins and all this stuff, and then Mexican, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They say that in the movie, bro. Hold on. Who makes the Yellow Brick Road?

[Andrew Schulz]

It's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, the munchkins.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hold on.

[Andrew Schulz]

Forced labor from captured animals and munchkins.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Munchkins. Oh, okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Mexicans.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My bad. I was in and out of sleep, guys.

[Andrew Schulz]

I got you. That's cool.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was in and out of sleep, guys. I was in and out of sleep. Did you see the 50 doc?

[Andrew Schulz]

Not yet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Me neither. You saw that?

[Alex]

I watched the first two episodes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How was it?

[Alex]

Fire.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let's go fifth.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Alex]

I was impressed.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sean Combs got to be the dumbest walking the planet, though. Why would he do.

[Andrew Schulz]

Again.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would he be recording all of that?

[Alex]

How do 50 get that footage?

[Chris]

Yeah, that's the greatest part. I heard, like, the first, like, 10 minutes and because footage from Diddy right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Before he got arrested, they said because Diddy was either shooting a documentary or had somebody filming everything.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So he bought the footage from that. That company.

[Alex]

That would be my guess.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's hilarious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I heard. So I heard something like that. I don't know. But why would you be recording it if you did it? I think he thought he was gonna.

[Alex]

Get off, beat it, and then he would have a document of his. Of him overcoming the situation, but showing what I mean, it's just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's him. Not.

[Alex]

It's nothing like, particularly inflammatory. It's just him going around the city and talking to his attorneys and trying to figure it out. But it's juxtaposed against. They have a lot of incredible archival footage. Like, they really spent a lot of money. And when you look at it, you're like, God, like, Diddy really has been in the press for 35, 40, you know, like, Basically his whole life. And they go way, way back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, you know, I heard they go back to the basketball game before that.

[Alex]

I mean, there's, there's pictures of him in Mount Vernon as like a five year old kid. Childhood friends, like, it's, it's very thorough. I mean, the, the one criticism I've read, and I don't know how fair it is, is it doesn't delve into the victim stories as much as it could. But I'm only two episodes in and there is one woman and I think episode one, and it's like a very emotional scene where she recounts some of the stuff that happened to her. Like, I, I think it's well done so far.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm gonna watch it this weekend. I just, you know, for me, it's just like, I don't. Yeah, I don't know why you would be recording that. Because from the clips that I saw, it just seems like the highest level of arrogance. And it seems like he's just trying to manipulate his way out of the situation.

[Alex]

Talks about that on the tape.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alex]

This is how we're gonna play the media. This is how we're gonna manipulate the media.

[Chris]

What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Chris]

Oh, but imagine if you're recording it thinking you're gonna make the doc.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He wasn't. Why would I put any of it?

[Andrew Schulz]

Say that out loud.

[Alex]

It's like the book example. Yeah, it's all right if she writes a book. Cause we'll go back and edit it. What happened is they recorded it. They probably thought they could edit it and frame it how they wanted to. And then shit fell apart. And I'm guessing whoever filmed it was like, well, he's never gonna buy this footage from me. Cause he's in jail now. And then 50s tapped in.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, I have to see this.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But why would I ever. My point is, why would I ever be talking like that in front of anybody? Even if I felt that way, why would I be having that conversation to be recorded?

[Alex]

Well, that's one of the themes in the doc, is that at a certain point and they trace it back to City College because he skated on that. Essentially he believed he was untouchable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Skated on Shine. Did they talk about that?

[Alex]

Yeah, I mean, we haven't even got, I mean, the first episode, it's still Uptown Records, right, But. And they have some really like crazy footage from inside the event at City College, which I've never seen before. And you can see him in the middle of like the chaos. It's pretty damning footage. And the case that's made is he beat that. He had no business beating that. The label at that time wanted him gone. Andre Harrell fought for him, kept him around. And then once he got past that, he's like, I can do anything. I can do anything. I just fucking had an event and nine people got killed. And I'm the king of New York.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shit.

[Andrew Schulz]

Shit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'll tell you one thing too, man. A lot of people saying shit like they think 50's being vindictive to those people. I say, you just don't know the backstory of 50 and Diddy. You know what I mean? And, you know, even if people be like, well, yeah, we know Diddy was messing with 50's baby, mom or whatever, whatever, yeah, that's one thing. But you can't be a person taunting the other person about it.

[Alex]

I think what's good about the film, and I don't mean this as a diss, you don't feel 50s fingerprints.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Really?

[Chris]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Not at all. No. I'm not saying they are obviously there, and I can. I can see the places where, in my opinion, there's certain information in there that only a 50 could get or have knowledge about. But you don't. It doesn't. You forget about him immediately. He's not narrating it. He's not in.

Stands on its own.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's 50, the greatest anti hero in hip hop.

[Andrew Schulz]

Without a doubt, he might be one of the greatest anti heroes in entertainment.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Notice I didn't say villain.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he's an anti.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, he's an anti hero.

[Andrew Schulz]

He's stone cold Steve Austin.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Stone cold Steve Austin. He's the Rock when the Rock was a heel. You know what I mean? And the reason I say he's number one over Tupac is because 50 lived. He's still here.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne tha God]

God bless the dead. You know what I mean? But we don't know what Pac would have been at 40, 50. 50 something years old. One thing we know about 50 Cent, he is committed to being the anti. When 50 Cent said on Life's on the line, nobody likes me. And that's okay because I don't like y' all anyway. Cause I don't like y' all anyway. Fuck all of y'.

[Alex]

All. Well, the other thing is Dame dash saying that 50 was capping and he didn't really have anything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do you remember when 50 Cent was.

[Alex]

Supposed to be putting out a documentary about Puff on Netflix?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Where is it? I Think it's still happening?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He's capping. Oh, dead dash.

[Andrew Schulz]

Hush.

[Charlamagne tha God]

50. When you gonna make the Dead Dash documentary? Okay. All right.

[Alex]

This is a. You might. Some people might like it, some people might not like it. Whatever. It's a real film. Like, this is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Alex]

This is legit.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But I'll say this.

[Alex]

I came from the doctor's office today. The receptionist was talking about it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's the number one most watched thing on Netflix right now.

[Alex]

Subway, the guy coming up the stairs was talking about Chris.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's the number one most watched thing on Netflix. Right? First of all, let's factor in three things. Number one, it's a documentary on Netflix. Number two, it's executive produced by 50 Cent. Number three, it's about basically the downfall of one of the biggest celebrities ever.

[Alex]

It's ever.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's one of the biggest celebrities ever. Ever. Like, this case is super intriguing to a lot of people.

[Alex]

I'll put it like this. I watched the first episode and a half last night. I was like, I gotta go to bed. I downloaded two on my phone so I could watch it in the subway on the way in the city.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow.

[Alex]

I haven't done that in a lot.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow. It's that good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, see, that's why I'm waiting till the weekend. Because I don't want to stop and go. I'm waiting till the weekend. I want to watch all four. Just knock it out. Knock it out in one. Salute. Salute to 50 Cent Man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Shout out to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I'm saying? And it's funny because when. When that Dash said that, you know, it's interesting, right? Like how you just said, Chris, 50 does great work when it comes to come to documentaries. This is not even his first documentary. This man has already given us a hit franchise of a whole universe on television, right? 50 knows how to make good TV. 50 knows how to make good documentaries. So when you see Dead Dash in an interview, say, didn't he say that he was going to do a documentary? And the documentary, I was like, I'm sure it's still coming. That's Cap. That's because that ain't used to making the type of quality that 50 is making. So he would do some shit in two days, you know, and throw it out, right? Quality shit takes time.

[Andrew Schulz]

Takes time.

[Alex]

It could change. I've only seen two episodes, but again, I want to emphasize he isn't all over this thing. And we know the backstory and all that. I'm sure the temptation was there. He stepped back, and it feels like he let the pros do their job. That's the way to do it. Yo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

50 really hasn't missed with TV and film, yo.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's unbelievable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The transition power, all the power spinoffs, bmf.

[Andrew Schulz]

Unbelievable.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Forget about the joint that was on ABC about the lawyer who became a lawyer in jail. Isaac Wright.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what I mean. He's from Moscow, by the way.

[Chris]

I don't think that got renewed, though.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It didn't, but it still was. It was a good show on it.

[Alex]

The Giglo beach, if that's how I'm saying it. The murderer on Long island recently.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, that was the doc. Yeah. You're 50, man. 50's killing shit out here, man. Salute to 50. What else we got, man? Let's do some asking idiots what we got. Ooh, this is a good one. Moecardena says after Trump, you think the next Republican nominee will be worse or more neutral. Ben Shapiro brought up a. Yeah, but we talked about that here on Brilliant Idiots before.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but I didn't see it in this way.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The next candidate. I don't know what the next candidate for the Republican Party will be, because the Republicans are gonna be in the same boat that the Democrats were in in 2020. Like, you know, after you come off a generational talent of a politician like Obama was with Democrats, and you can say whatever you want about Trump, he's once in a lifetime generational, you know, talent for the Republican Party. They're not gonna have anybody that can captivate people in that way. Like, they're not gonna be anybody that can create, you know, a cult like MAGA following. That's why I think that the whole Trump 2028 thing, that's why I keep. That's why I believe they keep throwing that out there. I believe they keep throwing that out there because, number one, I do think they're gonna attempt to do that. But number two, it keeps Democrats and the media constantly talking like they're going to be campaigning against Donald Trump. So you're not even adjusting your playbook for who you may be playing in 2028, because you're still trying to beat this team that you never beat. The Patriots cannot go back and play the Giants those two times in the Super Bowl.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's over.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's over.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You lost, okay? So you got to prepare for who the next opponent may or may be. But they keep these. They keep Democrats going through this old play. You said it today. On the panel literally said this. We're having a conversation that's two years old, because it's true. They're still talking as if Donald Trump is campaigning. They're still trying to figure out what they did wrong. Y' all gotta get ready for the next game, baby. Okay. The next game is next year, 2026. The next game after that is 2028. And if you constantly are thinking like, oh, my next opponent is gonna be the same opponent that I've been fighting for the last decade, you're going to lose.

[Andrew Schulz]

Shapiro, bro, did you just say that.

[Chris]

You think he is going to run again?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I think they're going to try it. I don't think it's going to happen.

[Chris]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

And Shapiro brought up a good point, which was Trump is enough of a political force and has enough magnetism to hold the Republican Party together. But right now, you see this fissure growing in the Republican Party.

[Alex]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And it seems quite divided. Trump is powerful enough to still hold those groups together. He was like, I don't think JD Is. I don't know if he exactly said this, but the feeling I got from it was, is JD Powerful enough to do that? Is Marco Rubio powerful enough to do that? And if not, they will fracture. And now you have almost like two different Republican parties. And do they eat away at each other and stop you from having this unifying force which could beat the Democrats? Keep in mind, a lot of Republicans that are going to feel disillusioned about the cost of food and just affordability in generally, in general, they might go back to the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party that they left when they voted for Trump.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They'll go back to being traditional conservatives, regardless.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's some very interesting things going on that right now, the media is the marketplace for this next election, and we're not even close there. I didn't even see it like that. Nobody's. There are people. They're like Republican operatives that are fighting. They're fighting for what happens happens post Trump.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely. Now they're thinking. They're thinking Trump is old. They're thinking, you know, we don't even know if Trump is going to be here.

[Andrew Schulz]

Or they're just like, he's not running in 2028.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

We have to push the party in a direction that we want.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They got to do what Democrats didn't do, especially if Trump's policies continue to be very unpopular, especially if the economy keeps fucking up the way that it is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You got to put some distance between you and Old boy. You know what I mean? That's something that the Democrats didn't do. No, they didn't when it came to Biden.

[Andrew Schulz]

But let's see. We'll see if they do it. All right, let's do one more.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If you could see a vision of how your kids would turn out, would you?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no, no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Me?

[Andrew Schulz]

You would?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hell, yeah. I'm back to the future with it, baby.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I wanted. I want to, like, experience all the things that they do.

[Alex]

Worst thing I could imagine. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah, I want to see all the things they do. Who they become.

[Alex]

Turns out bad, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, God. And they have to live with that.

[Chris]

Oh, but that's gonna happen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That would fuck you up if you don't change the rules.

[Andrew Schulz]

Change the rules of the fucking hype. Sorry, Russell.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm just saying, if God or whatever entity allowed you to see a vision of how your kid would turn. If you get that vision, you supposed to act on that. Like, that's not a vision that you get and be like.

[Alex]

But if you act on it, it might change the outcome.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, if I see my. If you have a vision and you know your child is fucked up in some way, right? Like drug addict or something like that. Yes. You gotta figure out ways to intervene. And I'm gonna tell my child.

[Alex]

Yo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Every older person in my life, grandmother, parents, whatever, when they would have visions about me, they would tell me, and it would absolutely impact how I would move. Like, I remember one time my grandmother told me I had a dream you got shot on this neighborhood. It was this neighborhood in Moss Corner. I ain't never went to that neighborhood ever. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you have a vision about something, you're supposed to act on that vision.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You had a vision about Madison Square Garden.

[Alex]

You had a vision.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What the fuck, Alex? You had a vision about painting your nails.

[Andrew Schulz]

I hate you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What is wrong? Did you not have a vision in my nails?

[Chris]

No, I didn't.

[Andrew Schulz]

Some of y' all think we're brilliant. Some of y' all think you're idiots or we're idiots. You're both right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, as always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit. You're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Thank you for listening.

[Alex]

Peace.