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Israel led us right into that war. Like, I've had all the gold and all the silver and all the girls and the planes and all that. That doesn't matter. Once again, you know, Jewish industry controlling all these record labels. That's what Michael Jackson was saying. You know, that's what Kanye was saying. You look at the people that like, get to the top.
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All right, guys, before we get into this incredible podcast episode, I just wanted to remind y' all that we are bringing the podcast live both to Australia, New Zealand and America next year. Australia, we sold out Brisbane and Sydney. We still got a night two in Brisbane. We got tickets left in Melbourne, we got tickets left in auct New Zealand and for the America tour, a lot of our cities are sold out, but we still got room in New York City. We upgraded the venue In Houston, because that one went out fast. We got tickets in Utah, North Carolina, Atlanta, my home state, Phoenix, Arizona, all over the place. And I want you guys to be there. We're gonna worship Jesus, and I believe that the word that God has for each city is so specific to who's supposed to be there. So we're praying for each seat. We're praying that you'll be there. Go to jesusinthestreet.org tour. Get your tickets for Australia, New Zealand. US live podcast tour. Love you guys. See you next year on the road and enjoy the episode. What's going. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford Podcast. I am Bryce, and today we have a very special guest, Incredible guest. We got Dan Bill's area with us. Dan, how you feeling today?
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Pretty good.
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Let's go. Thanks for having us over. I've, you know, I'm. I'm originally from Georgia, so anytime anyone invites you into their home, it's a big deal. So thanks for inviting us into your home and letting us come here and hang out with you.
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Yeah, man. Like I told you, I've been looking into theology, and so I'm kind of looking forward to the conversation. Your viewpoints on Judaism and Christianity and Islam a little bit, too. I want to kind of talk about how those different religions work together or don't work together.
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Heck, yeah. Yeah, let's do it, man. Can you give us, like, a little background for, like, maybe people out there that don't know you or that. Or that kind of know some bits and pieces about you? Like, who are you? What's your backstory?
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Well, it depends on how far you want to go back. I was, you know, in the military, and then I went to college. Then I was a professional gambler and then, say, professional hedonist for a while. And then I kind of, you know, wrote my book, and I looked at, you know, the stuff that made me happy and the stuff that I liked and realized that a lot of the hedonism stuff was more, you know, pleasure seeking, and that was more temporary. So I think it was fun. And I had to do it to realize that it probably wasn't the answer. But I think that. Look, I think that pleasure seeking and hedonism is really what the Bible talks about when they talk about sin. I think that, you know, Tucker Max quote, like, the devil doesn't come and point horns and a, you know, black cape becomes everything you ever wanted. So I think that. I think the real test is when you do the Right. Thing. When it's difficult.
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Yeah.
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And I think that giving up pleasure is difficult and it's addictive.
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Yeah. Dang. I think.
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Wait.
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I'm actually really glad that you brought that up pretty early on because I feel like from an outside perspective, if people were to look you up or know who you are, there's kind of this image of like that playboy lifestyle that you had in the past. Right. And like, you know, like the, the luxurious vacations, the, the whole nine yards. But now you're saying that was a season kind of for you and you're kind of understanding that long season.
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Yeah, it was a long season. It was like a 20 year season.
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When do you feel like that, that this kind of like real, I don't know, realization for you of just like, man, this stuff's temporary, it doesn't make me satisfied kind of.
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So I think in 2016, ish, I got a girlfriend and I started doing like couple vacations and stuff like that. And I realized that I had more fun doing, you know, couples vacations than doing it with 12 girls or whatever. And I was hanging out with my boys and I had a girl and you know, it's like when I wanted to, you know, hook up, I had that. But I also had, you know, time my guys and it was just less stressful. The girls weren't fighting for my attention. I didn't have to listen to so many stupid conversations. And so I think I realized it then. But in 20, midway through 2018, I started Ignite and that was when I kind of like really dove back in and I like kind of did the hedonism on steroids for brand and for a purpose. And it was fun. Like I said, you know, don't get me wrong, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't pulling teeth. Yeah, we're hanging out with a bunch of hot women and driving Ferraris and doing all that, but I just found that it was fleeting, you know? Yeah, it was. It was one of those things where you had to do more to get the same kind of dopamine spike or whatever and you can just only kind of like stay on that treadmill for so long. Yeah, I agree.
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I always tell like my, my friends and even like we have a pretty like Gen Z audience, like whenever we meet the people that follow us, I always tell them like, man, like, you know, sin is fun for a season and it feels like freedom until you try to stop. And that's like, that's when you realize, oh shoot, this stuff is actually crushing me. Crushing my body, crushing my soul. I think King David. King David says it really well. In the Psalms, he talks about how, like, literally right after he slept with Bathsheba. I don't know if you know that story, but he's king. And then he sees this naked woman bathing on a roof. So he sleeps with her, and then her husband was his best friend, and then he killed her husband to cover up that he slept with her. And after he did that, he's feeling the weight of his sin and the decisions he made. And he kind of talks about how, yeah, that stuff actually wasn't fun. It's a weight on my chest. It's crushing me. But he's like, when I confessed it and came to God for forgiveness, he's like, the weight was released off of me. I realized that joy is not found in that. It's found in Jesus. And I think that's super sweet, and I love how you're echoing that.
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Yeah, there's a quote. It's pleasure seeking will take you further than you're willing to go, keep you longer than you're willing to stay, and cost you more than you're willing to pay.
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Do you feel like it? What are. What are things that you feel like it cost you?
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I mean, eventually, I think it'll cost your soul. You know, I think you just get this energy sucked out of you, and you're doing all these things, and you're not. You're not. I don't think you're evolving. I think you're almost regressing. So I look at it as, like, a lot of times that I would start going back into it as more like a backslide.
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Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I totally understand. And how long have you feel like. How do you. How long do you feel like this? Is this a pretty newfound, like, kind of urgency or desire to kind of dive into the theology or be curious about just religion in general and leave that fleeting lifestyle?
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Well, I think I came to the crossroads. When I started speaking out against Israel, that was kind of where I felt like there was a line in the sand. I saw what was going on over there. I didn't agree with it, but, you know, everybody's like, oh, you know, you can't talk about that. They'll up your money. You know, they'll. They'll kill you. They'll do all this stuff. And I think it was when they. It was a distinct moment. I don't think. I know. It was when they kind of marched all the refugees into Rafa, and then they Bombed the refugee camp. That's when I was just like, okay, it, like, I've had enough of this. And I started, you know, speaking out. And then sure enough, they kicked me off the board of my company, and my business manager tried to extort me and my Jewish lawyers, you know, screwed up my, you know, lawsuits. And there was one of these, like, seemed like it was an attack from the Jewish community on me. And it was weird because I was, like, talking out against Israel. It wasn't, like, against the Jews or, you know, Judaism or whatever, but I think when they all kind of, like, banded against me, it made me look at Judaism a little bit. And I think that's when I started walking down that road of like, okay, let's see what this theology is all about. Let's see, you know, what this belief system entails. Like, you know, because you always hear about this Judeo Christian values, but, you know, Judeo Christian values just utter nonsense.
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Like, you think so?
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It's an absolute oxymoron. Anybody that knows anything about theology knows that it's absolutely a ridiculous statement to even suggest that Judaism and Christianity go hand in hand. I mean, they believe that Jesus Christ in hell, burning in human excrement, and that the Virgin Mary is a. So your Lord and Savior.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Cannot, you know, if your Lord and Savior is, you know, a person that. Or God or whatever that has walked a pure path. I believe that he walked a pure path. I believe that it was. I don't know that it was God. I believe that it was a human that just walked a perfect path. You know, the. The Islam, Muslim religion, whatever they believe, you know, similarly, Christians believe that Jesus was actually God. Regardless, there's kind of a consensus among the masses that Jesus was, at a minimum, a great person.
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Yeah, right.
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Like, so it's one thing to believe that he's God or that he's a great person. Right. There's, you know, there's subtle differences there. There's a slight rift, whatever.
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Yeah.
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But to say that he is a piece of. And that. Or that he's literally burning in. In hell and that his mother's a whore is a far cry from what Muslims and Christians believe. And so I think that was a big eye opener for me because let's just. Let's not say he's your Lord and Savior. Let's just say, like, we're talking about, like, your best friend.
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Yeah.
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Somebody says that your best friend is a complete piece of. And he's in hell and all this stuff, you know, after, like, Their tribe killed him. If you're a decent friend, you're probably not going to be cool with that guy, right? I mean, these are just like basic things.
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Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying.
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So. But that's. That is what it is. Like, that tribe killed Jesus and they believe that he was a false prophet, that is an idolater, and that, you know, he's in hell burning and that his mother's a sort. How is their Judeo Christian values?
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Yeah, I think. I think again. Yeah, I get what exactly, exactly what you're saying. Wait, before. Before I say what I'm going to say, where do you stand with Jesus? Like, what's your perspective of Jesus?
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I believe Jesus was. And I don't know, you know, much, like a lot of history that I've been told that I've now found out is not true. You know, I don't. I can only tell you what I believe. My best guess, and I could be wrong, but I believe that. And, you know, this is based on, like, how many people regard him as being, you know, a great person, whatever. I believe Jesus was a man that just did the right thing. No matter what. He just always did the right thing. He walked a perfect path. And whether or not he was technically God's, I believe that we're all kind of God's children. Like, I mean, God created all of us. So whether I don't believe that, it's like a man with a beard, you know, in the. In the clouds, like, I think that it's kind of like a higher consciousness, that we're all connected. I think it's. I believe a little bit more in, like, the spirituality side of it, in the sense that there's karma, there's positive negative energy. Like, we're all connected. When you help somebody else, you're actually helping yourself. When you hurt somebody, you're hurting yourself. I believe in, like, that sort of thing. But if I were to give you my best guess, it would be that Jesus just walked the perfect path and that he was a, you know, an example of a great human. And so anybody that would say that would say that he's in hell burning and want to kill somebody. Like that to me, is crazy. Maybe he was God, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, like, I wasn't there, you know, talk about a thousand years ago, but whether he was a great person or whether he was God. Well, I think we can agree you don't want to kill that person. And you're not going to say that, you know, he's burning in hell. And human, right. And whether his, you know, mother was a virgin or not, like, there's a far cry from being a virgin and being a. So, you know, to me, there's this whole group, Muslims, Christians, whatever, you know, humanity in general, that regards human or Jesus as being like a, you know, a great human or God or whatever that was. Right. But, like, it's a lot of respect. It's like, okay, yeah, I don't know many people that talk bad about Jesus other than Jews. Okay, so there's my big divide, right? Because your religion is based on Jesus being God or Jesus being perfect, whatever. So how could you ever align with somebody that thinks that he's a piece of.
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Right. I think. I think definitely on the contrary, I could say that Western Christianity, like, where we live in America, I could almost argue that there's a lot of Americans that don't take Jesus seriously and kind of slap him in the face by saying, hey, you know, I'm a Christian with my mouth because I go to church on Sunday and I read my Bible five times a week. But I think in the Gospels, that's not what Jesus says. Being a Christian is, I think, a byproduct of having your faith in Jesus as a Christian would be, yeah, I'm going to go to church. Yeah, I'm going to read my Bible.
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You're not going to get any argument from me there. There's a lot of bad Christians, you know. Yeah, but they'll pay for that, right? Like, they're going to, you know, atone for their sins, that they know whether they're doing the right thing. Like, most people know deep down, like, you're going to be your harshest critic for the most part, unless you're a sociopath. And so, you know, to me, it's like, look, it's one thing to be a bad Christian, you know, it's one thing to, you know, like, believe this stuff and, you know, not necessarily practice or fall into sin. And, you know, and the Bible talks about that, like, people sin and people repent and. And that's kind of the part of the process, you know, we're not all going to be perfect humans. In fact, you know, other than Jesus, I don't know of any. Right. So to me, I think there's a far cry from not being a good Christian and going beyond blasphemy, in my opinion.
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For sure.
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Right. So, like, it's. You're almost comparing, like, okay, these people, like, you know, they're not that good. Like, it's almost like people that are committing misdemeanors or, you know, maybe they're stealing a candy bar, like, and then there's somebody that's like, murdering somebody. Like.
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Yeah.
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Or. Or helping children. Right. Like, there's. There's different levels of this. And so to me, there's being a bad Christian is like, whatever, you know, like, maybe that person has to repent. Maybe he's going to pay for those sins, whatever it is.
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Yeah.
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But then there's this other group that is saying that your Lord and Savior is not only a piece, but that he's burning in hell and that, you know, he deserved all this stuff. So I think that's the big divide for me. Sure.
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Yeah. So I think. I think when we read the Bible, like, something that I've had to do more recently is understand that the Bible is written to Jews for believers, right? So, like, a lot of context in the Bible is going to surround Israel and Jewish people, because that's the context of the, like, God chose the nation of Israel to be the chosen nation. I don't know why he did that, but.
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Well, there was the Canaanites, right? And a lot of times that you talk about, you know, Genesis, where it says, you know, I will bless, or, you know, you will be blessed, and those that you know, bless you will be blessed, and those that curse you will be cursed. And a lot of times that's tried to twist and then talk about Israel, but it wasn't. He was talking about Abraham in that verse. If I remember correctly, that was not about Israel. A lot of people then twist that to say, oh, well, you know, he went to Israel and that would also talk about his land. And it's like, that's. That's not what the quote said. Right. And also, you know, you have the Old Testament, which, you know, I read some of the Old Testament, and to me, when you're talking about, like, oh, this much gold was used for this and this much silver was used for this, and we're going to sacrifice this animal to make God happy. And, like, you know, we must kill this entire tribe and the women and children, like, to me, that doesn't sound like the word of God. You know, maybe it is, maybe it's not. You know, I look at the New Testament, I think there's a lot of, you know, good scripture in there. I think there's a lot of good passages. But I look at the Old Testament, and to me, it's like, it seems like there's. There's A rift in some of what it's preaching and then some of what it's. It's saying. And to me, I don't think that. I don't know. I mean, being impressed with gold and silver and all this stuff, to me that I know that's wrong. Like, not necessarily. I mean, not wrong, but it's just, like, it's not the answer. Like, that's not what you should look up to. Like, I've had all the gold and all the silver and all the girls and the planes and all that, and it's like, that doesn't matter. And I know for a fact that it doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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So when the. When the Old Testament's talking about, like, oh, this temple was built with this much silver and this much gold, and it's like materialism, materialism, materialism. I don't know. Like, that just. Just sounds Jewish to me. And then the New Testament, I think there's a lot of, you know, good knowledge in there, and I think it's different. I also think there was like, you know, there's. There's a lot of scripture that's missing, too. They've. They've found, like. There is missing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, that.
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So. And I'd like to hear that, you know.
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Yeah. So I think there's. I think there's, like, a few things to unpack in there. I think the first thing, again, I think even with the Old Testament thing is context is super important. So, you know, in the New Testament, you have the Pharisees and the Sadducees, which are supposed to be the religious dudes who are claiming that Jesus is blaspheming by calling himself the son of David and things like that. But we have to understand the context of the Messia. So these Pharisees and Sadducees, they thought that the Messiah that was going to save them was going to be born of a royal family, was going to overthrow the Roman government because they knew that a new kingdom was being brought. So in their mind, when they see Jesus, who was born from Nazareth, which isn't a royal place, which is a humble thing, which, again, we'll get to that. But they're like, okay, this guy's claiming to be the Messiah, but he's not born of a royal family. He was born in a horse trough and he's from Nazareth. This guy can't be the Messiah. And then the things that he's saying about himself, he's like, I'm the son of David. That's a prophetic image used in the Old Testament when the prophet Daniel is prophesying foretelling, like, hey, there's going to be someone that's going to come and take the sins of the world. He's the son of David, like, all those things. So these guys, I think that's why God has grace for those people when and if they come to realize that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, because that's what happens. This whole time, Jesus is doing his ministry, healing the sick, setting people free of demons and saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent, change your ways. And then they. There's one week where they're laying palm leaves at his feet going, yep, you're the Messiah. And then a week later, those same people nail him to the cross and kill him. And they say, yeah, kill that guy. He's a total phony. The second he dies, the temple tears in half. There's a veil. So the Old Testament, like, yeah, so in the Old Testament, you have the temple where the presence of God was, and it was behind this veil. And there was only one dude that could go back there. And that was to emphasize the holiness of God. Means God is holy. He's just meaning you can't just approach God willy nilly like he's holy. And so it meant that if you were the guy that was allowed to go back there, it was a big deal. Well, the second Jesus dies, this massive thick curtain entering into the presence of God, that only one dude could go into tears in half. And it's symbolism saying now God is accessible to all people. Meaning it's not this exclusive hierarchy where only this guy can go in there. And they would literally tie a rope around the guy that went in there with a bell around his feet in case he died, because if he did something wrong, he would die under the presence of God because he was holy. And so now you have this, this imagery here of saying, okay, now God has made himself accessible to everyone. And then we as Christians believe that Jesus raised from the dead, defeating sin and death. Meaning if we put our faith in Jesus, we have that. So these people, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and even Orthodox Jews today that just don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, right in their brain, they're thinking, in that time period, their Messiah is going to be this guy from the royal family overthrowing the government, when really the kingdom that Jesus was bringing was one that defeats sin and death. It's greater than the carnal mind. Because you and I would both know we live in the world where it's like, it's easy to be enslaved to things. Money, people, work. And so their mind is just practical. Their mind's not on spiritual things. And there's so many times where Jesus is like, man, put your mind here. Put your mind up to heaven. Don't put your mind here. It's not that all of these things are bad, but if this is your world and your God, you're going to lose yourself and lose your soul. And so then when we look in the Old Testament and you see things like gold and silver and things like that, I think we have to. We have to read into a lot of the context. Right. A lot of Old Testament. There's a lot of history. A lot of history involved, you know? So I'll talk to some people that say, well, Solomon had 900 wives, so the Bible is telling me that I can have as many wives as I want. And I would argue, no, it's not.
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Yeah. If you understand the story of King Solomon, which resonates a lot with me, he had all that stuff, and then he comes to realize that that's not what's important, you know?
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Right.
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But I think you have some sometimes. I mean, at least for me, like, I had to experience that to know, you know, like, I was one of those guys that I had to, like, you know, burn my hand on the stove a few times.
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Yeah.
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And. And I think somebody has to do it, you know, And I think somebody doing it that you respect, you might listen and not have to learn that lesson yourself. Like, because to me, if my dad would have told me, like, oh, you know, having a bunch of, you know, hot chicks around and whatever isn't going to make you happy. I'm like, yeah, go yourself. But if you. Hefner would have told me that, I think it would have hit different.
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Sure.
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You know, And I remember watching him on a show one time, and he was there, and he was like, man, I don't know, he was, like, in his 80s or whatever. By the way, excuse my language. I was in the military, and I got.
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Dude, yeah, don't. Don't, bro, You're.
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You're all good. That was like a Bible channel. But anyways, I was watching him, and he was, like, 80 years old, and he's surrounded by these three bimbos that clearly didn't want to have sex with him. And they were just talking about nonsense. And I remember thinking, I'm like, man, if I was. If I'm 80 years old and I'm in his spot with 3 idiots talking about nonsense that don't want to sleep with me. You know, just shoot me in the head, like, put me down. Like I don't want. You know what I mean? Like, that would be, that would be hell for me. And unfortunately, I don't think he ever really learned, you know, like to he, to me, he was like an icon. When I was younger, I was like, man, this guy's got it all. You know, he's not even that good looking, but he's got all these hot chicks, he's throwing the parties, he's got all these celebrities around. Like, I was like, it was everything I wanted. Yeah, you know, it's funny. And then I got that. And then, you know, I think the parties I threw better than his. You know what I mean? So I did it like on another thing. And, and it just wasn't it, you know, I mean, it was cool, don't get me wrong. Like, it was cool to do that and it was cool to experience that. But I, I definitely realized, like, I had more fun just surfing with some of my buddies and doing mushrooms on a beach or whatever in Hawaii than I did doing these crazy parties and having all these women and whatever. And so, yeah, I think it, that I had to learn that lesson a bunch of times. But, you know, King Solomon, that's a, you know, perfect example of, you know, a guy that had all this stuff that everybody thinks that they want or need or whatever. And, you know, and he realized that it wasn't the answer. Yep.
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I love Proverbs, my favorite book. So I read a proverb a day, every day, because there's 31 proverbs and most times 31 days in a month. So every month I'm like recycling through proverbs because I think there's the perfect balance in there of practicality and the spiritual aspect of Christianity where that he's blasted this main message of like real wisdom is the fear of the Lord. If you fear God, that's the main priority. But he's also like, yeah, an aunt has no boss and works hard. So work hard with your hands. Like, be a man, work hard, prepare and harvest. Like, I love that stuff. But even with Solomon, like, you know, you have the context of knowing, okay, Solomon, he had like a lot of wives and girlfriends. But just because it's written in the Bible, it doesn't mean that God's endorsing that behavior. We would read a theme where you.
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See, I mean, I also think that that was like an example of what you don't want. Right. Like, he had. He had all this stuff and then he realized, like, it didn't matter, didn't make him happy. Right? So to me, I think only an idiot would read that and be like, oh, well, King Solomon did it, so I should. It's like, no, the whole point of the story was that he did all this stuff and that wasn't the answer.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, like, that's the Bible's teaching. It doesn't mean that, like, everything everybody does in the. Every single action that everybody does in the Bible is what you should do. That's what the Bible is saying. The Bible is giving you stories that you can learn from and, you know, and you can learn from other people's mistakes or their experience. And I. So to me, I think that would be a very rudimentary kind of conclusion, is that, oh, because he had these wives, that I should be able to have these wives. It's like, that's not the stories being told.
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B
Yeah, I, I think the point I'm making is, like, even with, like, details, something like gold and silver, right? Like, you read Leviticus and these early books of the Old Testament, and it talks about the Ark of the Covenant, and it's like, oh, yeah, it has to be built this way, and this thing has to be on it, and this has to be on it. It's like, there's a part of that that I'm like, okay, this is just details in history. There's another part of that that makes me go, okay, God has an intelligent mind and an intelligent design and their specifics. And this shows his righteousness and his holiness. And that makes me love God like this. Like, I. I think that's a beautiful thing. I think these details are necessary. Like, even with the whole thing with Abraham, you know, Abraham was married to Sarah and Sarah was infertile. She couldn't have kids. And so God told Abraham, hey, you're going to be the father of many nations through your wife Sarah. And he was trying to make a clear point of faith here. Like, hey, look, I understand that in the carnal mind, your wife can't have kids, but I'm telling you right now, being God, you're gonna have a kid or kids with Sarah. And back in that time period, it was a normal thing to where if you had a servant lady, an indentured servant, and your wife couldn't have kids, you would have kids with the servant lady. Well, he didn't believe God. He sleeps with his Servant lady and they have a baby named Ishmael. And then God goes silent for 13 years because he's like, dude, he's kind of like, what the heck, bro? Like, I just told you this was going to happen. You didn't believe me. Well, 13 years later, God still promise keeper, he's like, dude, you're still gonna have a kid. Then he has Isaac with Sarah. And so that's where you kind of see the repercussions of disobedience to God. When you have countries clashing nowadays, right. Like Palestine would be associated all the way back to Ishmael. Because if you look at the lineage of Ishmael and where he's at, you'd be like, oh yeah, that makes total sense. Like Ishmael ended here. There's modern day Palestine. And then you have Israel, which God said, hey, you're going to be the father of many nations with your son through Sarah. And that lineage goes back to Abraham through Isaac. So I think these details in the Old Testament are important for us to look at and go, okay, from a practical standpoint, if you want to add the spiritual side, because with, there is spirituality associated Christianity, there is like, we believe Jesus was God. We believe that God speaks to us today. God is alive and active. Like those things, we can look at that and go, okay, there is this spiritual aspect, the details. And that again is like that. Even when I think about that stuff, that stuff encourages me to go, maybe Jesus really is the truth.
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A
Yeah, I mean I, like I said, I think he was at a minimum, somebody that worked, walked a perfect path. I mean that is like the example. Right. The example is to do what you believe is right even when there's going to be extremely negative ramifications like you being nailed to a cross. Right. So yeah, that's, it's easy to do the right thing when it's convenient.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Or when it feels good or when it's not going to, you know, potentially cause your death. The test comes when something is difficult. But I think that, look, I, I don't, I haven't read enough of the Bible to kind of like go through it line by line. I think there's some great quotes and for sure. And, and I do, and I do think that it's absolutely worth reading and, and I need to do more of that. But what I did look into was kind of the Talmud, the, the, the Jewish religion and what their belief system is, because I don't think Christianity is the problem. Like, I think Christianity is good. And if you look at the Christian nations, you know, their value systems. I think that is a good thing. And I think this being eroded in America today, and I wonder why. And I start looking at, like, the why, you know, these Christian values as a Christian nation, like, why they're being eroded. Why there's men in women's locker rooms, why men are beating up women, why it's, you know, why drag queens are reading to children, why, you know, you go into the schools and you see, you know, children being encouraged to be transgender or homosexual. Like, that, to me, is an absolute attack on Christianity. What they did during the Olympics with, you know, their depiction of the Last Supper, like that was blasphemy. So I look at who's attacking this, and it's not the Muslims, not the Hindus, it's the Jews. They are attacking Christianity. They're the ones pushing this stuff in the media. They're the ones pushing transgenderism. And if you look at the root of this, Magnus Hirschfeld, he opened the first transgender clinic in the world, the history of the world, it was in Germany. So he did the first transgender surgery. And this was in, you know, the 1920s, the 1930s. So this is not some new progressive whatever. Like, they were doing the same a hundred years ago. You look at the Talmud, it's got eight different genders. So the Bible doesn't have that. The Quran doesn't have that, you know, so where is this coming from? It is coming from the Jewish religion. This degradation of moral fiber is coming from them. And so that's the big problem, you know, and, like, and. And people don't want to talk about that. You talk about that, and then all of a sudden, your. Your show gets canceled and you get silenced and this and that. And, you know, and usually, I mean, you look historically like the. The right side is never trying to silence people. They. They want to talk because they feel like their position is correct and they have the facts to back it up. And so I look at, like I said, where all this is coming from, and it's coming from the Jewish religion. And so that's where I've been. And. And I think the big issue here is that their religion preaches supremacy. You know, the Christian religion doesn't preach that. Islam doesn't preach that. Christians want, you know, other people to be Christians. Muslims want other people to be Muslims. Jews don't want other people to be Jews. Jews believe that they are chosen from God and that everybody else is beneath them, that they're literally like cattle. If you look at the Talmud quotes Like, you know, non Jews are like cattle. You can rape them, you can steal from them, you can kill them. Like, you know, it's. If you look at what they actually put in their Talmud and what they believe, I mean, it is absolutely, unequivocally a religion of supremacy. And you look at how you treat animals like cattle, I mean, you're not going to treat a horse or a cow that you're going to eat the same as you're going to treat a human. So the problem comes from when they believe that they're better than everybody else. And you know, that has big problems. And you put on top of that they've somehow weaseled their way into a victim category because of this, you know, Holocaust that they, you know, want everybody in the world to just consistently talk about. They don't talk about Christian Holocaust, by the way. They don't talk about the Bolshevik Holocaust, the Hold the Moor, the Armenian Holocaust, genocide, whatever you want to call it. In fact, in Israel they deny all those Holocausts and they were all perpetuated by Jews except for the Armenian one, which was, you know, some say it was crypto Jews, whatever. Let's just say that that was not Jews. But unequivocally, the Holdemar was, you know, the Holdemor, the Bolshevik genocide. Those were Jews killing Christians. Like 40,000 Christian churches were burned. Like they made it illegal to criticize Jews. And they were burning priests in the streets in their churches, burning, you know, congregations like they mass murdered, like between 30 and 60 million Christians. And that was like a predominantly Jewish leadership. And some people will try and claim, oh, well, it's, it wasn't, it wasn't all Jewish leadership. But you look at the people that said so, you know, Churchill literally wrote Bolshevism versus Zionism, the struggle for the Jewish soul. And he talks very, you know, directly about how the Bolshevik Revolution, whatever you want to call it, was predominantly Jewish. And the, the people in the, you know, the high positions were all Jewish. Communism was a Jewish theology that was written by Karl Marx. So you look at where all this stuff came from. This was Jews mass murdering Christians. And this was before World War II. Nobody talks about all these Christians that died. Half of my people got wiped off the face of the earth. Armenians are Christian. You know, we got. And Israel denies that. They lobbied the US to deny that. So, you know, they want everybody to talk about their Holocaust while at the same time being the biggest Holocaust deniers in the planet. And, you know, the Holmore was an absolute holocaust of Christians you know, and Henrik Yagoda, he was the, you know, he was in charge of the gulags. You know, he was Jewish. So you, you look at the leadership and it was Jews killing Christians that, you know, it was a Jew that invented the mobile gas chamber before World War II. So, you know, when Jews talk about events, they always want to talk about what happened to them and they never want to talk about why or what led up to that. They only want to talk about the 6 million Jews that died during the Holocaust, which was absolutely untrue. It was not 6 million Jews. The Auschwitz.org has revised that figure from 4 million that died at Auschwitz to 1 million. That's their official website. In fact, the Holocaust wasn't even in the Encyclopedia Britannica until the 80s. They added this stuff later on. But regardless, they revised that figure after like 40 or 50 years. They acknowledge that there's absolutely no way that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. And that was only 1 million and every other one of the concentration camps. They revive the, revised the figure down. So how is it still 6 million if you took 4 million out of the figure that, you know, out of the calculation to the figure that you got, how can you still claim that 6,6 million Jews did not die is just nonsense. But yet they say that. And every time you get an argument with them, you're anti Semitic or, you know, oh, the Holocaust. Oh, look, like, motherfucker, half my people died in the Holocaust. I'm not whining about it. We didn't get hundreds of billions of dollars in Holocaust reparations. You know, in fact, your country Israel denies my Holocaust. So don't tell me that I have to, like, recognize yours. Why can't I be thrown in jail in numerous countries in Europe for even saying that? But yet Israel as a country can deny my Holocaust. That's recognized by, you know, the US by many, you know, most of the countries in the world. And so the hypocrisy there bothers me a bit. And this constant victim, you know, category that they put themselves in bothers me also, because you can't have a massive amount of power and then put yourself in a victim category and then tell people that you can't criticize them and also have a supremacist mindset that is going to end in disaster every time. I don't care if you're a Jewish, Muslim, Christian, whatever, you know, I don't care if you, you know, you're a guy bumping sticks together. If you think that you're Better than everybody else. If you've convinced people that you're a victim, you're overrepresented in positions of power and people can't criticize you, that is going to end negatively every time. Yeah.
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B
So that, so that what? That very last thing you just said. Pride, the, just the definition of pride is the curse of the world, no matter what ethnicity you have.
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A
Right.
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B
I personally don't know a lot about the politics of Judaism and things like that. What I do know is that there's just flat out injustice in the world. It doesn't matter if someone did an eye for an eye or whatever. There's just flat out injustice that exists. And it's like, and it's like murder. It's like, if I came here and murdered you, I would deserve to go to jail. Like punishment and justice is necessary for crime. Punishment is injustice is necessary for injustice. And even all throughout Scripture, you see times where God is telling the Jewish nation of Israel do certain things and they go, okay. And then they do the total opposite of what he tells them to do and he doesn't let them slide.
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A
Well, they think, they think they can trick God. They think that they can transfer their sins into a chicken, swing a chicken around their head and kill the chicken, and that's somehow going to trick God and absolve them their sins. I mean, it's nonsense. Like their whole religion is based on like mysticism. And, and there is no, there is no Star of David in the Bible. The only star that the, that the Bible ever mentions is a satanic star, you know, the REM Fan ball. Like, these are the only people that really have any. Like, like you look at the Canaanites, and that's where I believe that a lot of the modern day Jews are from. And these are people that were sacrificing children. You look, historically, you know, they call them blood libels, but like Simon of Trent, like they found this child's body drained of blood in a Jewish guy's house. And like this has been happening, you know, they didn't get expelled a thousand, thirty different times for no reason. Like, you know, coin clippings, poisoning the wells, you know, and they absolutely murdered children, crucified them, drained them of their blood. And, and then they say, oh, well, you know, some of these things, you know, and they were convicted in court, you know, and they say, oh, well, you know, some of these people were tortured to get a, you know, confession. It's like, okay, well, they were tortured and then they showed you where the body was. You know, you could torture me all day long. I can't tell you where somebody is if I didn't put it there, right? So like they would take them to the body of this child that they had killed. And there was always, usually around Passover because that was part of their blood ritual. And so then they call this stuff blood libel. But it's like, okay, you can say that about one event, two events, whatever, but when you get convicted in court, throughout thousands of years of history of doing the same thing over and over and over again, and there's bodies that correlate with this. Like, you know, it's like somebody had to kill that kid. You know, somebody had to drain the blood. Like drain the blood of a three year old is not a normal thing. Like, I don't know, many Christians just go randomly drain the blood of a three year old child. Like that is a ritualistic killing and that is for the Passover. So like, you know, and, and they, and they talk about this. Like I said, they, they call it a blood libel. Like if you look up like what a blood libel means, it's literally like what they got caught doing. Like Simon A. Trent is a, is a, you know, he's a, he's a saint. For, you know, the story of Simon A. Trent, like a three year old child and they drained the blood and they found the body in this Jewish guy's house. Like, you know, it's just like, and, and, and, and there was miracles that happened afterwards. There's a whole thing, right? You should look it up. But like there's numerous stories like that throughout history. Like Jews like to act like, oh, we just got randomly persecuted. And you know, the example a lot of people give is like, oh, well, you've got kicked out of 109 bars. Like are you the, or is it all the bars? You know, and it's like, it's actually worse than that because they got kicked out of 109 countries. They kick, they kicked out a thousand, 30 different times. So this is not like some like one off thing. This is not like people had cell phones and pagers back then where you sent a fax and the whole world like got together and was like, oh, you know, let's persecute these Jews. No, it's like, and also just by definition, if you get kicked out of 109 places a thousand different times, that means that every one of those places will let you in 10 times and then kick you out. So if this was just like, hey, let's get rid of these Jews, let's kill these Jews. Like, you know, Germans are pretty good, they're pretty innovative. If they want to kill the Jews, they could have killed the Jews like throughout history. You know, these are like usually small groups of people. Like they could kill them if they wanted to, but they didn't. They would kick them out, they'd give them another chance. Screw up again, they kick them out. The screw up again, they kick them out. The screw up again, you know, so it's like eventually you have to start like looking at some kind of pattern recognition. You know, you look at Bobby Fischer, he was probably the, you know, one of the highest IQs in the history of the world. Probably one of the best people. Pattern recognition, best chess player ever. He was 100 Jewish. He blamed the Jews for everything, you know, so you look at like a lot of this historical stuff and it starts to become hard to deny. When you have this information, you start looking like, you know, for instance, the Rambam, that was one of the, you know, main Jewish prophets or whatever, that was like one of their like top, top guys. He kind of like rewrote some of the Talmud. He's got a quote in the Mishnah Torah that he wrote which said that if a Jew has sex with a three year old, that you should kill the three year old for causing the Jew to sin. But the sin wasn't him raping a 3 year old child. The sin was her causing a Jew to have sex with a non Jew. And that's why you kill the child that he raped. Do you realize how insane that is?
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B
Yeah, yeah, I totally understand. I, I think that's indisputable by the way.
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A
That's not like, this is not a conspiracy theory. This is like a word for word. And I can read you the direct translation saying that.
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B
Yeah. So when I, when I hear things like that, I think that, you know, the common theme, whether, whether it's a morality issue, I don't know. A couple things come in my brain. I think, I think the first thing I think about is like, let me, let me take it from a stance of like a Muslim, for example, right? If I were to say all Muslims are terrorists, I would be an idiot.
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A
But Jews say that, by the way, Bill Maher said that on national television.
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B
But do you kind of get what I'm saying? It's like if I associate all Muslims as terrorists, I would be foolish, say.
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A
That all the time.
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B
So even, even, even with Jews, like, if I were to say like all Jews are this, oh, hold on, I.
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A
I'm not saying that, though. And let me, Let me distinctly clarify. It's like, you know, I'm being eaten alive by ants and somebody's like, oh, well, it's not all ants. Like, that doesn't change the fact that I'm being eaten by ants. And so I'm not saying that every Jew is bad. In fact, I know personally a lot of good Jews. It doesn't change the fact they're causing a massively disproportionate amount of problems. That, and this argument is not that, oh, Jews are bad and Christians are good. What I'm saying is that Jewish supremacy is causing a massively disproportionate amount of the world's problems and that there isn't culpability with that because they're above reproach, because they've managed to weasel their way into a victim category somehow, you know, because of this, you know, Holocaust that they just force feed down your throat. You know that every single FBI agent has to go to the Holocaust Museum. Really? You know how insane that is? They don't have to go to the Armenian Holocaust Museum. They don't have to go to the Bolshevik Holocaust Museum. They don't have to learn about Christian Holocaust. They only have to learn about the Jewish Holocaust. Every one of them. Not a single. Why is that necessary for the FBI? The. Does a war in Germany have to do with an FBI agent becoming an FBI in the United States?
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B
Yeah, I think I'm just reminded of a biblical story in the Old Testament of the prophet Hosea. And I think it's just timely with, with everything. Hosea, prophet of God, most popular guy at the time. I mean, if you're the mouthpiece of God, everyone's going to know who you are. God tells this guy Hosea to marry a prostitute named Gomer. Now that absolutely atrocious. Is like the man of God, the mouthpiece of God is asked by God to marry the prostitute. He marries Gomer, the prostitute. They're married. And every night they would go to bed. Gomer would hear music from the city. She would sneak out of the house and go sell herself on the street for sex because she was a prostitute. Every night and every morning, Jose would wake up, gomer's gone. He would go to, like, the south side of town or whatever, the bad side of town, and find her beaten and sexually abused because she had sold herself the night before. And he would pick her up, bring her home, clean her up. Every night this happened. Finally at one point, she had Sold herself so much to the point where she's put on the slave, sex slave market, meaning this woman's worth just about next to nothing. So we're going to sell her on the sex slave market because she's been ran through and this, this and that, and now all of her sins on display. Everyone knows that Gomer is the worst of the worst. And so Hosea wakes up the next morning, she's gone. He goes down to the south side of town and now he doesn't find her beaten and bruised. He sees her beaten, bruised, abused, mostly because of her own actions. And it's on display in front of everyone. And everyone's bidding on his wife for sexual pleasures. And Hosea, if anyone has has the the rights to neglect his wife, to say no, to divorce to anything, it's him. She's every night rejected him. But he buys her back off the slave market. He buys his own wife that has rejected him every night off the slave market. And when he buys Gomer back, he looks at Gomer and he says something from Hosea, chapter six. He says, I desire mercy, not sacrifice. And he says he's renewing their wedding vows. He says, basically, from this day forward, you will no longer be a sex slave, a prostitute. I'm not buying you as my sex slave. You will be my wife and you will be faithful to me. And when I look at that, I associate that with any injustices across the board is the world would say, hey, you did me wrong, eye for an eye, I'm going to slap you harder, you deserve to be punished. This, that and the other. And when I look at Christianity in the Bible, Jesus isn't letting any injustice slide. Every human being, no matter what they do, no matter what ethnicity you're from, will be held accountable for everything that you do in justly on this earth. Because one day, I don't necessarily know what you, but I know you're in your search of religion and God. I don't necessarily know what you believe happens when we die, but what I believe is when we die, every human being is going to stand before this almighty God that I believe in, in, and he's going to look at us and all of our sins are going to be on display. Our actions, words, thoughts are going to testify against ourselves. We can't run from anything we've done. But that's the beauty of Jesus Christ is there has to be a payment. It's like a criminal, someone has to pay. If a criminal murders someone, he has to do the time.
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A
Yeah, but I just, I disagree. So I think that, I think that that woman is a perfect example of like today, like an only fans girl or whatever. Or if you have a promiscuous girl. And I think that you have to have self respect and you have to be willing to walk. And if you give somebody another chance and they, and they do that and then you give them another chance, they do that. It's like the third time is your fault. So I think that's actually a bad story because I think that people should, and I think this happens a lot today. Like people, I don't know if they're scared that they can't do better or they're willing to put up with way too much. But I think boundaries are good and I think women will respect men that have boundaries because at the end of the day, you know, if you're willing to walk, then you'll have some power in the relationship. But if you're not willing to walk, like this guy, like clearly he wasn't going to be, you know, he wasn't willing to walk after she had done, you know, disrespected him 10 times and he didn't walk, like she's just walking all over him at that point, you know, and she, and, and she's not getting the lesson because she's continuing to do this stupid and having no consequences. So to me, I would, I set very, you know, strict standards for what I expect in relationship. And if a woman doesn't abide by them, then I break up with her and I find I don't beat her up. I don't, you know, knock her out and you know, I just say, okay, you know, find another guy. And now she's going to have to learn that lesson. And I think by enabling her and taking her back and taking her back, she's not learning that lesson. She's repeating these same mistakes. I think you're doing her disservice by doing that. So if this was something that God wanted or whatever, then, you know, maybe that's different. But I think in general, you know, you should be accountable for your actions. And I don't think that this whole, like Jesus will absolve you from all sin and you can just live your life like an, and then, you know, beg Jesus for forgiveness and you're forgiven. I don't believe that. I think you're held accountable for your actions and I think that your positive actions can negate your negative actions. And I think it's, it's, it's weighed out. I Think if you lead a life of being told the whole time and you don't do any, anything to redeem yourself, I don't think that you are going to be, you know, enjoying the kingdom of heaven. I think that I don't necessarily believe that you're either going to heaven or you're going to be burning in hell. I think that it's kind of like you will be your own harshest critic. And you know, whether that's you and God or, you know, I just think we're all a part of God. And I think that you will answer to yourself and God. And you know, I think it's similar, like one in the same. But like you will be your own harshest critic. Like, you know, you know, you can come up with all these rational reasons in your mind, but like when you look in the mirror at the end of the day and it's just you, you know, whether or not what you did was right or wrong, you, like I said, and Jews like to be able to think they can trick God and rationalize all this stuff, but it's like, no, like you're not, you know, like, you know, whether you're doing right or you're doing wrong. And like I said, I think the real test comes when something is very difficult and you do the right thing anyways to your own detriment. In fact, that's really kind of like the real test. If, if you don't have to sacrifice anything, then to me it's not that impressive.
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B
I think, I think, I think there's even a deeper part. It's like, why would someone want to do the right thing? So when you look at that story of Jose and Gomer, that image that it's, it's a his, it's historical, but it's an image, a prophetic image of God's love for us. I mean, think about, I'm trying to make it personal to you, not diggy. But you said, dude, I had 20 years of crazy lifestyle. The money, the fame, the, the women, all of it. And you're like, yeah, it was a super long season. That correlation of Gomer turning her back on Hosea every night is kind of like how human beings naturally turn our backs on God every single day. Because we're born selfish, we're born prideful. You don't have to teach a one year old boy to not share his toys with people. It's born in him, right? So there's this curse in the world that's a heart issue, but that's that's the. That is the. The budding head nature. That's why what Jesus was bringing to the table and preaching was so like, it ruffled the feathers of these religious people. Because the Pharisees and the Sadducees, you had to follow 613 laws and 10 commandments to be deemed righteous. And if you screwed up one of them, you had to sacrifice a spotless lamb because white represents purity. A spotless lamb to atone for the sins. That was just. That was just the rule. And so these guys are like, well, you got to do. And Jesus saying, look, if I pay the price and forgive you, your faith in what I did for you is what gets you to be united with me in heaven for an eternity. But a byproduct of your faith is going to be obedience to me. That's. That's the why. For me, it's like, why do I want to listen to my dad? I didn't listen to my dad because I had to. I listened to my dad because I wanted to, because I loved him. And I think that's what that. That emphasis of Jose and Gomer is. It's like, it's not that Gomer isn't held accountable for actions, but it's that the love of God, the love of Hosea, empowered goes Gomer to leave that lifestyle. The same way God's radical, unconditional love for me, despite what I've done against him, empowers me not to want to do that, to repent. So Hebrews 12, verse 2 says, we look to Jesus Christ as the author and perfecter of our faith. And then it says, who? For the joy set before him, he endured the cross. So why would an innocent man who's done nothing wrong not try to argue his way out or prove his point? Like when they're throwing accusations at Jesus, he's not going. Well, wait a second. I didn't do that. And I didn't say that he stayed silent because he was thinking about you and me. He's enduring pain for us.
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A
And I think that's kind of the ultimate price. Right? Is like, when he knows that this is the right path, but this is going to lead to him being, you know, dying a painful death. Kind of like when Gary Gordon and Randy Sugart required, you know, they asked to be dropped in. It was in Mogadishu. They asked to be dropped in to go defend this Blackhawk helicopter pilot that had been shot down. And he was being surrounded. And they went in and they knew that they were probably going to die, but they requested to be put in so they could go defend him. And to me, that is like. And they got the Purple Heart. I mean, they. They. They died. You know, they got the metal on or posthumously or whatever. But that, to me is like true heroics, when you know that it's going to be a negative outcome, but it's the right thing to do. It's like you were doing that to help him. And so, you know, Jesus was. That was the ultimate sacrifice. You can't get a bigger sacrifice than, you know, dying a painful death. So the fact that he chose that just reinforces that he's taking this perfect path, that he's always doing the right thing, no matter what the consequences are. And I think that's. And when. I think when they say that he died for humanity, anytime that you get punished doing what you believe in, doing what you believe is best for other people, I think other people benefit from that. Like, I think a lot of people got a lot from Jesus and watching him and learning from him and seeing, like, you know, it's. Look, it's. It's like snowmobiling, like when a guy goes out and does a backflip on a snowmobile. Like, then everybody else can do a backflip on a snowboard, you know, like, you know, and then a guy can do a double backflip. But now all of a sudden, everybody else can do it. Sometimes, like, somebody has to be the first to do it. You know, you look at X Games, you look at all this stuff, like, the moment somebody does something, now all of a sudden, everybody else can do it because that fear is unlocked. They realize that it's possible. And so I think one of the things that Jesus did for humanity was, like, show people, like, you can walk this perfect path. You can do this like it is possible. And I think, look, I mean, there's different interpretations, and maybe I'm wrong, but to me, I still don't think that absolves you from all the sin that you do. I think that you still have to do positive things. Because at the end of the day, I mean, I wouldn't want to scapegoat. I wouldn't want to live my whole life like, oh, and just be like, oh, well, I believe in Jesus, so forgive me of all this stuff. Like, I would want to atone for my sins, and I would want to atone in such a way that I felt like I had a positive impact. And I think when you help other people, you get, I don't know, there's some good feeling that you just internally get. I mean a lot of the times that I've done stuff for other people, part of the reason I did it was selfish reasons because it made me feel good to do it. And I think when you help other people, you feel good. So there is some of that and I think that comes from us being connected in some way. So, you know, but, but at the same time I don't think that that kind of addresses to me what I feel like is a Jewish problem that we have in America. I mean look, people aren't getting married, you know, like it's more than half of people 30 years old and under haven't had sex in the last year. There's like the small segment of women that's, you know, making all this money selling their bodies online. Like porn is at an all time high. I mean all, all the Jewish site or all the sites are owned by Jews. Hub only fans. All this stuff. Like every one of these porn sites is all owned by Jews. And, and porn is illegal in Israel.
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B
But you look at that, you look at like crazy stuff like that. I think that's, I think that's the main thing that gets me going, right? I'm like, just in general there is wickedness, perversion, pride, selfishness rampantly rising throughout the entire world.
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A
But if it's coming from one group predominantly, do you not do like, at what point do you address that?
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B
Well, I think, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's hard to say it's just one people group, right?
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A
Because then you have think predominantly, I'm not saying all, but like 90 something percent of the porn sites are owned by Jews. You know, they're like, they're like let. They're like a fifth of 1% of the population.
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B
But if you, that this, I think this is for me where the grace and mercy aspect comes. So like you said something earlier, you were like talking about how you were talking about trust, like levels of trust. I agree. Like I can look at Dan and say, hey, I love you unconditionally. Like I know we just met, but if you said you needed something or called me and I could do it, I would do it because I love you unconditionally. But because we just met, there's a certain level of trust that you and I have where it's like we're kind of opening up, kind of talking about. But there's some things that you and I wouldn't share versus these guys that came with Me, they're my roommates and my best friends, and we all work together, so there's, like, a level of trust that I have with them. And so that's the grace and mercy, right? Grace is a free gift that you and I don't deserve. So, yes, essentially, you and I should both be atoning for our sins. That's the grace of God, is he does something that we don't deserve, and then mercy is withholding what we do deserve. And I think that's.
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A
I don't disagree with that, but I'm saying, as it relates to the Jewish question, that this has been something I've been struggling with for, like, the last two years, because like I said, ever since I started speaking out against Israel, I've been attacked by this community, which made me then look at that community. And the more I look. Look it. You know what? You know what I describe it as? I'm like, there's no way it's this bad. And then I'm right. Like, it's not that bad. It's way worse. And then I look into something else, and I'm like, there's no way it's this bad. And once again, I'm right. It's not that bad. It's actually way worse. And over and over and over again, I keep seeing this and this pattern, and I feel like at some point it becomes very difficult to ignore. And I think this, to me, was one of those tests where it's like, you know, it's cost me hundreds of millions of dollars. It's got me kicked out of my company. You know, it's obviously, like, uncomfortable to be speaking negatively about a group that has such a power, powerful influence. So, like, this has been almost nothing but a net negative for me. But I believe that it's the right thing to do because so many other people agree with what I'm saying, but they're scared to talk about it.
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B
Okay, so let me. Let me play devil's advocate with you for a second.
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A
Please do.
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B
If you believe that predominantly they're doing something so wrong and so intense, what if the. The response is not necessarily to speak out against it? What if it's like, I'm trying to give an example, like, to. Well, I know you're not a Christian, but I'm saying, like, to pray.
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A
To pray for them, by the way.
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B
To pray for them. You know, you have this instance where you have. You have Peter and Matthew, disciples of Jesus. And Matthew was a tax collector. The Roman government hired a Jew to take money from Jews and they would always take extra money because the extra money was their salary. So they were just basically stealing from their own people. So Peter hates Matthew because he's like, you're the dude that was taking all my money. But both of them are following Jesus. And Peter tells Jesus, he says, look, I can't forgive this guy. I just can't forgive him. He did it too many times and I can't forgive him. And Jesus says, he says, I've forgiven him seven times. Seven was a number of perfection. Jewish law. Seven times. He goes, okay, forgive him 70 times seven. And he's like, so I'm supposed to give him, you know, 400. And he said, no. 70 times 7. Perfection times perfection. Because it doesn't matter how. Like, you may. Like, I'm not. I've never murdered someone, right? But Jesus says, if you look at someone with anger at your anger in your heart, you've basically committed murder against them. Now again, they're ethically and morally different. Like, if I'm just angry at you versus, like, if I murdered someone, obviously morally, the murder is far significant than anger. But what Jesus is trying to make a. Make a claim here is saying, like, look, instead of having this heart posture of like, of like always coming against people, if we have the heart posture to pray and forgive and allow our heart posture to motivate us and encourage us to. To pray for these people and love them in that way. Because love.
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A
I feel like we've been doing that. I feel like we've been doing that for the last, like 70, 80 years and how it's worked out for us. Like, our country is in decline. We've be never been more divided. It's blacks against the whites, it's Democrats against Republicans. It's like, it's not really, but that's what we think. Like, the right is like, oh, it's these idiot leftists, but really it's the Jews giving them these talking points. They're the ones that are telling these people, they didn't just all wake up one day and say, hey, men should play in women's sports and children should be, you know, able to chop off their penises and take hormones. Just like all this nonsense. Like 10 years ago we would have been like, that's obviously ridiculous. Like, they're getting those talking points from the media. Like, they all believe the same thing because they're told what to believe. And people are generally sheep. So, you know, you've got the right thinking. Like, oh, these people are just crazy. And the left is like, oh, the right is just a bunch of white supremacists and, you know, blah, blah, blah, you know, and they're racist and they're Nazis and, you know, just this rhetoric, this nonsense, right? So. So they're convinced it's because of the right. The right's convinces. Because of the left. The blacks are convinced, even though the Jews were the ones predominantly in charge of slavery, bringing them over here. In fact, that's why every single, you know, slave auction was closed during a Jewish holiday. And, you know, Farakhan wrote a whole book on this, lining that out. But regardless, that's why blacks hold animosity towards whites because they, you know, they blame all this stuff on slavery. And then the whites obviously are, you know, have animosity towards the blacks. They're causing a disproportionate amount of crime, and they've got this victim mentality and they're acting like. And whatever. So there's this huge divide. But this wasn't happening in, like, 2019. This was, like a very recent thing. And it's because of the media. Every single time the Jewish media talks about something, it's like, it's always race. It's always race. It's this. It's that, you know, they're the ones pushing this absolute nonsense. And, you know, and everybody just, like, is scared to talk about this stuff, you know, and you look at, you know, these basketball teams that are, you know, putting in, like, men as. As women's cheerleaders and stuff, they're all owned by Jews. It's, like, insane. And you just see pattern after pattern after pattern. And at some point, I feel like you look. I mean, turning the cheek, I get it, you know, like, I understand that, but, like, at what point do you stop turning the other cheek? Like, if somebody shows up at your house and wants to rape your wife and kill your family, like, you turn the other cheek. Yeah, you defend your family. Like, at what point do you have to, like, defend people? At what point do you have to stand up? And to me, we've been, like, absolutely subservient to Jews for a long period of time, and that hasn't worked out very well for us. Like, they're opening our borders. They're promoting race mixing. You know, our country is becoming, you know, like a melting pot of the worst of the worst that wants to come in here. I mean, listen, if you want to open up borders and let people in legally, fine. But what you don't do is only let in people illegally, because what's that going to do, it's going to ensure that we get all the criminals, all the people that don't want to fill the forms. And what are we doing? We're keeping out all the good people that are filling out the forms that have to wait 10 years to become a citizen. So we're basically solving for the worst possible people coming into our country. So like, you look at what's happened and it's an absolute disaster. Like marriage has never been less, I mean, the black community, the reason they're having such problems is because, you know, it's like, I don't know, 75% of the households have no, no dad in there. And that's because of this culture, this gangster rap culture that's been promoted once again. You know, Jewish industry, you know, they're, they're controlling all these record labels. That's what Michael Jackson was saying. You know, that's what Kanye was saying. You look at the people that like get to the top and they, they start to understand like who's controlling this stuff. And so I don't know, I, I, this idea that we're just supposed to just like ignore it and you know, like kind of like forget about it. I mean, listen, Plato had a very good quote. He said, people, you know, indifference to public affairs is going to allow you to be ruled by evil, evil men. You know, so when you just kind of ignore this and just hope for the best, you turn the other cheek. Like, I get it. If somebody comes up to you and punches you and they're attacking just you and you turn the other cheek, that's one thing. Okay, that's you saying, you know what, like I'm going to let you get away with this, whatever. But if somebody's going to attack all your friends, I think that you should stand up and do something about that. Like if your friends are sleeping, they're going to attack your friends. Like at some point this whole idea of like turning the other cheek doesn't work. And it definitely doesn't work against pure evil. It doesn't work against Satan. Like it may work against a good person that hits you and then feels remorse for it, but what it doesn't work for is somebody that doesn't believe that you are on the same level of as them and they think that you're subhuman and they hit you and they feel no remorse because they look at you like cattle. Just like, you know, they're killing Palestinian children by the day, non stop. They're shooting, they're shooting them at Aid sites, they. It's like literally real life Hunger Games.
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B
When it, when it comes again to anything, like the love of God, the love of God and the grace of God. Like Paul writes in Romans, you got a dude that was killing Christians that then became a Christian convert. And he says, okay, so God's given me grace so I can just go do whatever I want.
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A
And then he says, no, that's different. Right? And then you, you can sin and then try and atone for your sins if you legitimately feel bad about that and you come around. Like, look, when I was leading my hedonistic part of my life, I didn't really feel bad about it and think I was doing anything wrong. Like, it wasn't that big of a deal. Now if I do something that I know is wrong, I kind of get God smacked for it. Like, the, the ramifications happen a lot faster. And it's very different when you knowingly sin. When you know something's wrong and you choose to do it, it's a very different thing than if you just feel like you're doing the right thing or you don't care, or you don't feel like there's real consequences. You don't even believe in God or whatever it is. Like, I just think there's different levels of this stuff. And it says that in the Bible too. Like when you know you're held to a different standard than when you just don't know.
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B
Yeah, that, that, that's the point I'm making is like, the grace of God and the love of God should empower someone to understand a couple things. Because the reality is like, as a wicked human being, even before I was a Christian, the things I was doing. It was like what you said when I would look myself in the mirror. I was disgusted, shameful, guilty. And I knew that the things I was doing was wrong, but I kept doing them. So the love and grace of God allowed me to know, okay, I am forgiven. That's not who I am anymore. But it empowered me to like, turn the opposite direction from that. And so though anybody that is doing something morally wrong, no matter how intense it is or how small it is, if they don't turn away from it, they're going to be held accountable for it. And that's the other end of the deal. It's like from a, from a, from a zoomed out lens, right? Like the vengeance. Vengeance is the Lord's, is what the Bible teaches us. So the Old Testament, right, And the New Testament, right. In the book of Jude, it says. Yeah, it says, vengeance is the Lord in the book of Jude, right before revelation. And so again, one day, every human being, every ethnicity, every height, every age is going to stand before God and their actions are going to testify against themselves. And if they receive the grace and love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ, they can be. They can be forgiven, redeemed, and united with him. And then hell isn't just like this fiery burning place. I believe hell is suffering because I think everyone's going to stand before God and they're going to witness the most glorious, the most real, beautiful, magnificent thing they've ever realized. And then they're going to realize that everything that they did and all their actions were not how they were supposed to be living. And then they're going to be separated from the most beautiful, glorious thing that they've ever seen in their life for an eternity. And that's justice.
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A
But if. If what you're saying, see, because to me, I truly believe in my heart that the real test is when you recognize that something is right. And it's tough. Pacifism is usually not that tough. Standing up against a bully that's gonna, you know, that's a lot bigger than you, that's gonna beat up a little girl or something, that's tough. That's the right thing, but that's also not turning the other cheek. So I think there's a time and a place for turning the other cheek. And there's a time and a place for saying, oh, well, you know, God will punish this person. And then there's that blurred line where that also becomes cowardice to me. I think, like I said, the test is when something is difficult, and it's usually difficult to stand up against injustice, it's usually very difficult to stand up against Satan.
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B
If I was in a McDonald's with eight other people and an active shooter came in here and already shot two people, I would hope to God that someone in there was concealed carry or myself that would take that guy out before he took another four people out.
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A
Even without it, you know, maybe somebody goes and tackles them, right? Their life, to me, that's like that. That's not turning the cheek that, you know, that's not, you know, technically some of what Jesus would preach. But, like, you know, so the attacking him and potentially giving your life to save those other people or potentially save those other people, I mean, that would be the ultimate act of courage. And I think that alone would get you into the kingdom.
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B
Well, the turn, the turning the other cheek is not Just from a physical standpoint, it's a metaphor, right? Like, don't you know what I'm saying? But with like, some of my favorite people are military men because they're, they're operating in sacrificial love. Anyone in the military. I have a fine line of people in my family that are in the military, and I think it's beautiful. And you know, I have kids that are graduating high school that are going into the military. When we go to these college campuses and talk to kids, they say, is it wrong that I'm going into the military? And you know, I'm, you know, I'm going to be in active war zones or I might get stationed somewhere and am I going to. And I'm like, man, I think that the most beautiful thing someone can do is lay their life down for people that are gonna even reject them or reject the sacrificial love that they're doing. It's a beautiful act of love.
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A
Listen, as a guy that was in the military, I did four years.
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B
What branch?
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A
Navy.
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B
Thank you for serving our country.
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A
Well, you know, I can't take that because I didn't join for the country. I joined because that was my best option. And I will tell you that at least 90 something percent of the people in the military, the majority of the people that were in the military when I was in there, were there because it was their best option. Right? Like, I, like, I didn't know what.
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B
To do with their life.
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A
Well, I got kicked out of high school, so, oh no, they throw in a jail. So I had a machine gun in my car. I had to do, you know, three weeks in jail. I kicked out of the state of Utah. So I could have gone to a community college or I could have gone in the military. And because I went in the military, I got into University of Florida, which is a very hard school to get into. And you know, I, you know, I, like I said, I did the four years and it was, it was a sacrifice. I learned a lot and whatever. But I also know a lot of people that were in the military that got deployed to go fight for, you know, Jewish bankers wars. And you know, you look at Iraq, for instance, we killed a million civilians. And this is us showing. And it was all because of Jewish bullshit. Once again, Netanyahu testified in front of Congress that they had weapons of mass destruction, which they absolutely did not have. He also said word for word, if we topple, you know, Saddam's regime, it will have positive reverberations throughout the region, which was complete nonsense. Absolutely untrue. So we showed up in a country that did not have anything to do with 9 11, that did not have weapons of mass destruction, and we killed a million civilians. That would be the same as if they showed up here, kicked down our doors, bombed our neighborhoods, okay? So I think the real PTSD comes from when you realize that the things that you were doing in the military were not to preserve American freedom. It was not for the greater good. Like, it's one thing if somebody comes to America and they come to attack us and we pick up arms and we defend our country. That's a very different thing. We did the opposite. We went into Iraq and we kicked in their doors, you know, dragged their families out of their houses, you know, and like I said, a million civilians died. There was nothing heroic about that. Like, were there heroic actions within the military? Absolutely. Absolutely. But what we did there was absolutely inexcusable. And once again, it was done for Jewish bankers, for Jewish interests. You know, Israel led us right into that war because they wanted that regime toppled, because that was going to help their Greater Israel project. You know, just like they wanted us to, you know, go into Syria, just like they wanted us to bomb Iran. It's like, you know, they. They want us to do all these things just like they wanted us to, you know, get rid of the leadership. You know, Gaddafi in Libya, you know, what. What do we do? We did that, and now all of a sudden, you can buy slaves in Libya. It's a complete disaster. Every regime that we've toppled was absolutely horrendous net effect. And so the people that do join the military for the right reasons, like Pat Tillman, you know, I mean, nothing but respect for the guy. But, you know, what happened to him? He got shot by his own guys. You know, he didn't go out and, you know, and kill a bunch of people that wanted to kill Americans. And why did they want to kill Americans? Literally, the reason why a lot of those people want to kill Americans is because of our unabashed support of Israel, because we are supplying the weapons that are killing their Muslim brothers in Palestine, in Iran, you know, wherever. Right in Libya, all these places that we're going in in Iraq, like, you know, we are killing other Muslims for Jewish interests. And so when you look at the root of a lot of these problems and what's actually going on, like, look, I just. I believe that if. If what you do, I don't actually believe that it matters whether or not it's technically, like the right Thing like. Like I said, if somebody goes to Iraq and he truly believes that he's doing the right thing by killing somebody, I don't think he's going to be punished for that. I believe intention is all that matters. What was that? A net positive? Absolutely not. You know, sure. And the problem with joining the military, as I know, is that you don't get a choice. You don't get to say, oh, I'm not going to go on this mission, or I'm not going to shoot this guy, or I'm not going to go into this house. Like, yeah, you cannot pull the trigger. But that may mean your platoon mates get killed. Like, when you join the military, you are taught to follow orders. You are not taught to, like, go and do the right thing. Right. It's. You do whatever you're told to do.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the problem is, rolls downhill and the people at the top are once again, look at all the neocons, you know, Paul Wolf with Pearl, like, all these people. Abrams, you know, like, all these people are all Jewish. All the neocons, all just like a word. And so you start looking at who's controlling all this stuff, who's pushing this, and it's like, it just keeps going back to the same community. And so, I don't know, man. I feel like we are in the McDonald's that's getting robbed. Like, I feel like we are the McDonald's and it's getting robbed and it's time to do something about it. Like, and if you don't, well, we're just gonna, you know, be. I mean, why do we bomb Iran? Like, why do we bomb Iran? They didn't do anything to us. They weren't a threat to us at all. We did that for Israel. So we're operating against our best interests for the benefit of Israel. And to me, that makes us an occupied country. And, you know, we bomb them for potentially having the ability to have a nuke, which Netanyahu, for the last 35 years, has been saying, oh, it's going to happen next month. It's going to happen in a year. It's for 35 years. We have clips of him saying that. It's all nonsense. They're the only. They have allowed all the nuclear inspections. Israel has allowed no nuclear inspections. They've acquired nukes illegally. So you've got this rogue terrorist country, Israel, that's acquired, you know, around 300 nukes. And they have the Samson option, which is if they feel threatened, they're just going to indiscriminately shoot nukes at everybody in the world. So you've got the biggest terrorist country in the world and we are just completely backing them no matter what. And I'm telling you there's going to be consequences. And I just don't believe that the pacifist route is correct. I think the pacifist route is easy. It's easy to just, like, take the ostrich approach and just bury your head in the sand and just be like, oh, well, you know, God is going to sort it out. But to me, I feel like you're skirting the test. I think the test is like, are you going to stand up to the bully? Because that's the hard thing. Are you going to go tackle that guy in the McDonald's that has a gun when you don't have a gun? That's the act of courage. Not just like, oh, well, I'm going to turn the other cheek and God will figure it out. Like, no, I think that if you have the ability to protect people that don't have the ability to protect themselves, I. E. Palestinians, I think that you've got a moral obligation to do that. And that's why I've been, you know, speaking out, because I have a platform to do it. So I feel like I have an obligation to do it.
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B
Yeah, I think, yeah, I, I don't think Christians, the. The Bible speaks out against passivity. It speaks out against laziness and passivity. I'm not trying to be passive. I don't know a lot about the politics that you know about, so I'm just not saying anything because I don't want to speak on something that I don't know a lot about. But from a macro, broad perspective. And I, I think I'm. I'm just going to close with this, since you gave us a little extra time, is like, I believe as a Christian that Jesus Christ is the antidote to the sickness of the world from a high scale and a low scale. And what I believe God has planted in my heart is to get this message out to everyone as possible as I can is the love of God can forgive you of your wickedness and empower you to repent and stay as far away from wickedness as possible. The love of God doesn't compromise. You know, when Jesus is hanging out with the tax collectors and the prostitutes and the sinners, he's not sitting there endorsing their behavior. He actually says, well, the healthy don't need a doctor, the sick do. These people need to understand that they need to turn from their ways. You know, when I was 17, I became a Christian when I was 17. But I grew up in the church. I went to a private Christian school all my life. And to me, Jesus was just the guy on my Bible quizzes and tests. That's all he meant to me. But I had porn addictions. I was a people pleaser, and I was trying everything in my life to fill my heart. And I was working, working, working, working. And I think this is like this macro point is every religion. My Muslim friends, my Hindu friends, my Buddhist friends, it's all about do as best as you can. Build good dharma, avoid the karma, do the five pillars of Islam, work your way to Allah. Allah will weigh your good and a bat and your bad. If you do enough good to let you in. If you do more bad than good. Not a good sign. But it was interesting because three months before, I had super bad anxiety and depression. I planned on taking my life when I was 17, three months before, I started researching into every religion because someone said, you just need religious structure in your life to fix it. So I looked into Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and every religion was about how much I could do to get to heaven or perfection. And I was so whirlwinded because I thought if I live in a broken world, a wicked world, a sick world, and I can't even fix my broken heart in this broken world with the things I'm doing, then how could I ever work to perfection? And then When I was 17, I was in a Waffle House, gonna take my life after Waffle House. And I had this.
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A
That was it. That was a final meal. Waffle House.
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B
Yeah, my. My death row meal. And so I'm in this Waffle House. I've never done drugs or alcohol before. And I really believe Jesus Christ revealed himself to me and showed me that I'm. Guilt and shame weighing on my. On my shoulders. And so I prayed this prayer. I had this supernatural moment with Jesus in Waffle House where I felt like God was speaking to me. These scriptures and scriptures started making sense that I heard in school. And so I just prayed, said, okay, God, if you're real, take away my anxiety and depression, because that's why I want to take my life. And I haven't had the crippling anxiety or depression since that day. And that's when I knew the love of God. God meets me where at. Jesus Christ out of all religions, is the only God out of all the religions that comes down, meets the broken people where they're at and allows the forgiveness and love of him to empower them to be united with him again. And, and so, yeah, I really believe that Jesus Christ and the love of God is the antidote to the sickness of the world. But Dan, I appreciate you so much for coming on, bro. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for hanging out and talking with us. I really had a blast talking with you and, and it was fun. You're a really fun guy. So thanks for coming on.
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A
Hope Jesus comes back soon. The world needs some amen.
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B
We need him back. Amen. Thank you bro, for coming on, man. Appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for watching and listening to this episode. If you guys like it, subscribe to us on YouTube, follow us on Spotify, Instagram and TikTok. Bless you guys and see you guys next week for the next episode.
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