Debunking Islam with Godlogic (EP 147)

Summary

The Bryce Crawford Podcast

Episode 147: Debunking Islam with Godlogic
Date: November 17, 2025
Guests: Bryce Crawford (host), God Logic (Christian apologist)

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Overview

This episode centers on apologetics—specifically contrasting Christianity with Islam, Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witness doctrines. Bryce Crawford welcomes God Logic, known for his robust defense of the Christian faith and engagement with other religious groups. The conversation delves deeply into the origins and key doctrinal issues of Islam, examines contradictions in the Quran, discusses the emotional and cultural hurdles facing Muslim converts, and touches on Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness teachings. The goal is to equip Christians with clearer understanding and arguments while encouraging respectful, evidence-based dialogue.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

God Logic’s Journey into Apologetics

• Background: Raised in a Christian household, ordained at age 20 (04:21), but initially unaware of apologetics.
• Turning Point: Encounter with Jehovah’s Witnesses in college “cooked” him—he was shown verses that challenged his faith, spurring a deeper pursuit of answers.

  "To this day, whenever I see a Muslim or Jehovah's Witness, it's his face on them." (05:58, God Logic)

• Discovery: Found figures like Ray Comfort, James White—leading to a love of defending Christianity with logic and evidence.

  "That's where my love for Jesus, I mean, increased beyond what I thought…because it's seeing that there's answers and how the Bible is just True." (06:32, God Logic)

Principles of Sound Apologetics

• Context is Key: Stress on reading the Bible in context—historically, linguistically, culturally.

  "You want to know who's speaking, who's being spoken to, what are they talking about, why are they talking about it, where are they, where they're… That's context." (09:09, God Logic)

• Balancing Truth & Grace: Commended for holding a firm but gentle line in debates.

  "You do it in this, like, firm, gentle way. It's the perfect balance of grace and truth." (08:00, Bryce Crawford)

Sola Scriptura and Church History

• Scripture as Foundation: Affirms sola scriptura but warns against ignoring church history.
• Church History’s Role: Early Christians’ understanding and apostolic tradition provide vital context.

  "If you alienate yourself from that, you can't tell me, you lose all that history... that's how it is with the Quran." (13:46, God Logic)

On the Canon and Apocrypha

• How Were the 66 Books Chosen? Based on apostolic authorship/connection, theological consistency.
• Apocrypha’s Status: Valuable for history, not considered inspired scripture by Protestants.

  "They're helpful for information. And the church was using that...the apocrypha aren't really inspired by God." (17:42, God Logic)

Islam: Core Doctrines, Contradictions, and Historical Context

Origins of Islam (28:55, God Logic, 55:08)

• Muhammad’s Influences: Synthesis of local pagan, Jewish, Christian, and Gnostic stories, including apocryphal gospels.
• Revelatory Experience: Muhammad’s first “revelation” interpreted as traumatic/demonic—a contrast to biblical prophets.

  "He receives his revelation. And the spirit being, whatever this entity is, doesn't announce who it is...grabs him, presses on him until he can't breathe and take it anymore." (22:11, God Logic)
  "You look at every prophet and how they receive revelation. There isn't one prophet that was oppressed, that was frightened, that felt like they were demon possessed." (26:24, God Logic)

Development of the Quran (35:53)

• Oral to Written: Initially oral, later standardized after many memorizers died in battle.
• Uthman’s Canonization: Third caliph, Uthman, burned variant Qurans and distributed an “authorized” edition.

  "He rewrites the Quran and a perfect copy, he sends that Quran out to everybody and says, all your other Qurans that you have…burn them all." (38:48, God Logic)

Contradictions in the Quran

• Perfect Explanation vs. Ambiguity:

  "The Quran says it's perfectly explained, a detailed explanation of everything...while at the same time have verses that are unexplained, where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction." (60:10, God Logic)

  • See [56:33-60:42] for text walkthrough; main proof texts: 6:115, 11:1, 12:111, 3:7.

• Moral Failings of Muhammad:

  "Aisha was six years old when Muhammad married her. Nine years old when he slept with her…That's in every single authentic hadith." (30:46, God Logic)

• Teachings about Lying (46:13):

  • Muslims may lie to their wives, to make peace, or in times of war for Islam’s sake (taqiyya doctrine).

Practical Barriers to Muslim Conversion

• Social/Familial Pressure:

  "The love, the love of the Muslim community was so deep for these people that they're just like, I can't give it up." (40:58, Bryce Crawford)

  • Real-life conversion story: entire Muslim family turns to Christ. (41:26-45:29)

Muslim Beliefs vs. Christian Theology

• Trinity: Muslims misunderstand, object to “three gods.”
  • God Logic’s argument: God as love necessitates relationship—Trinity uniquely enables this without dependence on creation.

    "To be love…shared love…requires another person. So within God's essence, God has to have shared love…without depending on creation." (48:07-51:10, God Logic)

• End Times: Muslim eschatology is often the inverse of Christian expectations—what’s “bad” in Christianity is “good” in their view. (52:31-54:49)

The “Islamic Dilemma”: The Injeel Problem (87:08)

• Quran Claims: Quran says it confirms the Torah and Gospel (Injeel), but diverges from biblical teachings.

  “If the Bible is true, then the Quran is false for contradicting it… if Bible bad, then the Quran's still false because it's saying that a corrupted book is true.” (89:40, God Logic)

• Muslim Evading: Muslims assert belief in “the original Injeel” (Gospel), but cannot tell what it was—since all known records (i.e., the New Testament) don’t support Islamic claims.

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Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses

Mormonism

• Joseph Smith's dubious background:

  “He’s been arrested like three or four times for falsifying treasures. And then he founds an entire religion off of discovering a treasure that only he can decipher. That’s…pretty crazy to me.” (66:45-67:04, Bryce Crawford)

• Doctrinal Heresies:
  • Teaching of “exaltation”—humans can become gods, God the Father was once a man. (67:41-69:00)

Jehovah’s Witnesses

• Origins: Charles Taze Russell, break-off from similar 19th-century restorationist groups.
• Major Distinctions:
  • Deny Christ’s full divinity (“a god” vs. “God” in John 1:1, New World Translation).
  • Overemphasis on “Jehovah”—even misleading translation choices.
  • Watchtower Society: Modern “prophetic” body whose interpretations supersede private Bible reading.
  • Distinctive Practices:
    • Reject blood transfusions due to misconstrued biblical passages. (75:34-75:27)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

On reading the Bible in context:

"The Bible is a historical book...Language, slang—that's even in the Hebrew or Greek. This stuff is used in the Bible. So seeing it in that light, it’ll open your world." (08:23-09:17, God Logic)

On debating Hebrew Israelites:

"That's what they do. That's what we call the Hebrew hopscotch...they jump from verse to verse, don't settle nothing quoting out of context." (03:38-03:41, God Logic)

On Muhammad’s first revelation:

"Grabs him, presses on him until he can't breathe...He runs to his wife Khadijah and says, cover me, cover me, because he was that scared." (22:11-22:50, God Logic)

On contradictions in the Quran:

"You can't have the Quran be perfectly explained, a detailed explanation about everything, while at the same time have verses that are unexplained, where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction." (60:10, God Logic)

On the Trinity for Muslims:

"Since we can conceive of a love that is greater than just selfish love, then God has to...have that quality of love...which requires another person. So within God's essence, God has to have shared love...the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." (48:07-51:10, God Logic)

On cultural barriers for Muslims:

"This is heaven and hell...Whether everybody hates you, this is heaven and hell. And Jesus says they will hate you. They're...gonna persecute you, man. But he says do not fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one that can kill the body and soul." (42:09, God Logic)

On modern Christian revival:

"Being biblically literate is cool…Unapologetically Christian is cool. That's the wave. It’s everywhere..." (76:32-77:21, God Logic)

On apologetic resources:

"Answering Islam—every Christian should go and look at those articles and study those articles because they deal with everything you could think of…You'll be able to talk to a Jehovah’s Witness, an atheist, it doesn’t matter." (83:30-84:27, God Logic)

Final Encouragement:

"You got the truth…be confident in what you have because you have the truth. There's always answers. Humility comes first. Stay humble. Do not be afraid to say, you know what, I don't know. Let me look into that." (91:41-92:17, God Logic)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Hebrew Israelites "hopscotch" debate: 02:12–04:00
• God Logic's apologetics journey & Bible context: 04:21–11:17
• Sola Scriptura & canon discussion: 12:04–19:48
• Explaining origins and contradictions in Islam: 28:55–34:00, 56:33–62:00
• The emotional/cultural struggle for Muslim converts: 40:49–45:29
• Trinity explained for Muslims: 48:02–51:10
• Islamic dilemma/Injeel question: 87:08–91:27
• Mormonism & Jehovah’s Witnesses: 64:34–75:27
• Speaker’s Corner and Christian apologetic revival: 78:05–82:39
• Recommended resources: 83:12–86:05
• Final encouragement & prayer: 91:41–93:25

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Tone & Style

The conversation is animated, brotherly, and direct—rooted in biblical authority and a genuine love for both truth and the people in error. God Logic balances strong polemics with humility and encouragement while Bryce openly learns and amplifies the importance of sound doctrine.

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Quick Reference – Resources Mentioned

• answeringislam.org
• Putting Jesus In His Place (book)
• Discussions of early church history, canon formation, and practical apologetics.

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This episode is particularly valuable for Christians seeking to engage theologically with Islam, Mormonism, or Jehovah's Witnesses, offering not only arguments and evidence but also spiritual encouragement and clarity on why context, love, and truth-telling matter in every apologetic encounter.

Transcript

[Bryce Crawford]

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[God Logic]

So you can't have the Quran be perfectly explained, a detailed explanation about everything, while at the same time have verses that are unexplained, where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction. When Muhammad married her, Aisha was 6 years old, 9 years old when he slept with her. That's in every single authentic hadith.

[Bryce Crawford]

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[God Logic]

Man, I feel good, man. I feel. I feel very wel. I feel very well.

[Bryce Crawford]

Pull that sparkling ice out.

[God Logic]

Hey, when you. When you. When you. When you got your homie giving you your favorite drinks by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, your favorite snacks. I feel good.

[Bryce Crawford]

Come on, bro. Let's go, dude. Thanks for making time to come on this, guys. If you're listening to this. So Avery has. Has had a conversation with the Hebrew Israelites that we've chatted with three times.

[God Logic]

Oh, yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And so I'm. I'm super excited to watch that video.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

How.

[God Logic]

How.

[Bryce Crawford]

How did that conversation go?

[God Logic]

So it actually went a lot better than I thought it would. I thought they might be a little hostile.

[Bryce Crawford]

They're way more chill.

[God Logic]

Yeah, they're very chill. Yeah. So I. I didn't expect that type of hospitality. Like they said, you know, they had a mic for me and everything. Now it got to a point where they cut my mic off.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yep.

[God Logic]

Because I was drilling the elder. I was. I was. I was destroying him, you know, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And so he was getting confounded. For real. Yeah. And so with that being said, you know, we were talking about gen, like, whether or not non Israelites can be saved, whether non Israelites are part of the covenant, stuff like that. And so I'm showing him these verses and what Hebrew Israelites like to do. They like to jump from verse to verse to verse to verse without dealing with the stuff.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So with that, with me, I'm the type of guy, I got ocd. We got to finish the verse before we move somewhere else. Yeah. They can't handle that. Yeah. So it was.

[Bryce Crawford]

Dude, that's so true.

[God Logic]

He.

[Bryce Crawford]

That he yelled at me last time because I told. I called him out for quote mining. I was like, bro, you quote mine. And. Yeah, I don't quote mine. And then he just. He, like, ju. He like, finished a verse halfway, jumped to an Old Testament verse that was a completely different context. And I'm like, dude, what are you doing? It's just crazy, bro.

[God Logic]

That's what they do. That's what we call the Hebrew hopscotch.

[Bryce Crawford]

The Hebrew hopscotch.

[God Logic]

The Hebrew hopscotch, man. They jump from verse to verse, don't settle nothing quoting out of context. But when you hold them to the verses you're bringing up, they. They. They can't do anything because they're. They're out of their comfort zone. So you'll enjoy this one. This was really good, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

I'm pumped, bro. And, you know, I appreciate you. For anyone that doesn't know God logic, he's just got an incredible ministry of apologetics and preaching the gospel out there. Could you give, like, just a brief background about, like, when you surrender your life to Christ, when you started following Christ, and then how you got into this. This position where you're passionate about apologetics?

[God Logic]

Yeah, man. So I grew up in a Christian household. My dad was a preacher, mom, whole family singers and musicians in the church and stuff like that. So I was always surrounded by the church. But I always. I always Believed. I always believed, you know, from a very young age. So I. I can't remember a time where I did not believe, but a time where I took the. My faith seriously upon my own shoulders was around when I was about 17, graduating high school. That's when I started getting really involved in the church, teaching Sunday school lessons, young adult ministries, and stuff like that. And, you know, I had. I think it was about 20 years old when I became ordained in my dad's church as, like a young minister. Right. And so, yeah, it was pretty cool. So grew up in that. Where I'm. But I did not know that apologetics existed. I didn't know what that was. I didn't know what that frame was. I just thought we read the Bible, we learn the Bible, we teach Sunday school, you know, preach our sermons. Nah, but there's stuff out there that's challenging our faith. I didn't know about that. So go to college, see some Jehovah's Witnesses. And that's when I get. As I was telling you earlier, I got cooked, man. They. They showed me a verse, you know, we was talking about Jesus being God. They showed me a verse that seemed to show that Jesus was created. And I. I didn't have the presence of mind to read context. I didn't have that skill yet. So he got me, you know, my back hair standing up. I was sweating, and he's like, man, you got to do your. Do your research, man. Put his hand on my shoulder.

[Bryce Crawford]

The guy said that to you?

[God Logic]

Yes, he said that to me. Oh, I'll never forget him. And to this day, whenever I see a Muslim or Jehovah's Witness, it's his face on them.

[Bryce Crawford]

Oh, my God.

[God Logic]

I treat him the way I do. Nah. But really nice guy, though. Like, he was really nice and put his hand on my shoulder and said, I. I need to do my research. Need to do my homework. Wow. And he was right. He was absolutely right, because I had no response to that. And so I was like, man, let me. I know there's verses about Jesus being God. I couldn't think of nothing.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So I called my dad, like, that verses. He's like, yeah, man. John 1:1, John 10:30. I'm like, Duh. Right? But then I started going deeper. I found Ray Comfort, found all these little channels. James White. And so that's when I found apologetics.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

That is where my love for Jesus, I mean, increased beyond what I thought.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

Because it's. Seeing that there's answers and how the Bible is just True. With evidence and logic backing it up.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

I fell so much in love with Christ, and I was like, yeah, this is what I need to do. Yes, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

I feel, you know, I. So when I was. I became a Christian when I was 17, junior year, high school. Then my senior year, I went to a private Christian school, so we had to take an apologetics class.

[God Logic]

Oh.

[Bryce Crawford]

And so that was, like, my first time ever being introduced to. It was, like, when I was 18. We took a whole class and. And then our school had a theme verse every year, and it was first Peter, 3, 15. Be prepared to make a defense to anyone who asked for the hope inside of you, but do it with gentleness and respect. And so that verse, because that was, like, in a pivotal year, you know, my first year being a Christian and following Jesus hard, and that. That verse marked me so heavily because that, you know, there's a lot of people who will preach the gospel and purposefully stir up strife and then be like, yo, I'm getting persecuted.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And I'm like, you not getting persecuted, bro. You're asking for it, right?

[God Logic]

Yeah. You're provoking them.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah. But I think there's. I think what I. I'm so encouraged by you is how biblically sound all your points are. You got all the receipts, but you do it in this, like, firm, gentle way. It's the perfect balance of grace and truth.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

It's like, hey, bro, I love you, but you're. You got it wrong. And that's so encouraging. What. What do you. So when you talk about. I think what you said is important. When you talk about, like, defending the faith of the Hebrew, Israelites, the Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness. There is. You said you got to read in context.

[God Logic]

Yes, yes.

[Bryce Crawford]

How. How do you learn the context of the Scriptures?

[God Logic]

I think it's. It's. It takes practice. Like, so you. You got to open your mind to. Like, I had to open my mind or be exposed to. Oh, wow. Like, I'm reading words on a page. But there's a history, there's a historical background to this. You know, I'm not. This isn't America. And. And, you know, 2025. No, this is first century, you know, Judea that I'm reading this in. So putting our mindset. Like, the Bible is a historical book, Right? It's a historical book. So look at it in that lens, in its history. So language slang. That's even in the Hebrew, like, Or Greek. This stuff is used in the Bible. So seeing it in that Light it. It'll open your world and open your mind on how to read the Bible differently. And so then you're learning. And when you're talking about context, you want to know who's, who's speaking, who's being spoken to, what are they talking about, why are they talking about it, where are they, where they're. When they're talking about this, when are they, when they're talking about this. That's context.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

And so looking at the passages, maybe even chapters before or chapters after, you get this, this framework and that's how you read the Bible and you understand what's going on. Yeah. Then you can apply that somehow to even your everyday life. But understanding the initial context is like, I think, of utmost importance. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

So when you, so I. Genuine question. When you, when you read something like Revelation. Right. You read, you read Revelation 3.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Particularly. I'm just using this as an example when, when Jesus is referencing the church of Laodicea. I think I said that right? Laodicea. He talks about, don't be lukewarm in your faith, neither cold nor hot, for I'll spit you out of my mouth.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

I'm, I'm in school right now. I'm doing a Revelation study. And the first time I ever learned was that that city had piping for the water. And because the water was coming from so far away, it would be lukewarm by the time we got to the city. So I always just thought, oh, he's just like, flat out just being like, don't be lukewarm. But he was speaking directly to them, using imagery that they would understand a.

[God Logic]

Guys of context and historical context.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, it was, it was mind blowing and it was crazy. I'm not gonna lie. When I first became a Christian, I thought context was a little boring.

[God Logic]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Crawford]

You know, but then as I read it makes the Scriptures ten times more beautiful.

[God Logic]

Duh, bro, that. That's that. Right. I didn't know that. What you just shared. I did not know that. And so that. But that makes sense. Bringing out, you know, the immediate historical context, how Jesus is speaking to the particular people he's speaking to, to the people of Laodicea and he's reaching them where they are. This, that's what is a demonstration of how God or even the, you know, the apostles are reaching people where they are in ways that they can understand. So context will help us engage with our culture in its context.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

And apply this stuff in our context. It helps if we get. We gain wisdom from that. So yeah, that's dope.

[Bryce Crawford]

So there's this.

[God Logic]

I'm.

[Bryce Crawford]

I'm so prone, I'm just gonna fire a bunch of questions.

[God Logic]

Do it, man. Let's get into it, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

Across the board, before we get into other religions, I have a few questions concerning Christian.

[God Logic]

Sure.

[Bryce Crawford]

So there's a theological idea called sola scriptura, which is just scripture alone. Everything I get from scripture alone.

[God Logic]

Scripture alone.

[Bryce Crawford]

Something that I think is really fascinating, that I'm actually really encouraged by, by a lot of my Catholic friends, is that they say scripture and how the early church received ideas, how they treated things.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

What's your personal opinion on. Do you believe in scripture alone? Do you think it's beneficial that we look at the early church history and the disciples of the disciples and how they receive things? Like, what's your kind of take on that?

[God Logic]

Yeah. So. So I. If. When. When my. My take on sola scripture is not a negation of church history, like, I. I think it's dangerous to negate church history because as we're talking about context, we lose that without the church history. So without the apostles and their students and how they understood what the apostles said and how they break certain things down, if we alienate ourselves from that, we're missing a chunk of context. Christianity in context. So. But as the baseline of our truth, Scripture. Scripture is the baseline of our truth. That doesn't mean we have to reject or deny or alienate ourselves from the apostolic traditions that we see, you know? Yeah. And so obviously, we look at the. Everything in the lens of scripture, but we. We shouldn't alienate ourselves from church history. Yeah, it's huge. Matter of fact, it's funny enough, it was a Muslim that taught me that.

[Bryce Crawford]

Wow.

[God Logic]

Yeah. So that you have Muslims in the. In the Islamic camp, you have what is called a heretical group called Quran. They're Quran only right now, usually Muslims, they'll have Quran and they'll have what is called hadith, the sayings and teachings of Muhammad. Yeah. So they go with both and some of their companions as well. Right. So they say it's heretical to just go with the Quran alone, because the Quran doesn't show you how to pray the right way. It doesn't show you when you're supposed to fast or how. It doesn't like these different details. That's in the hadith. Yeah. So you have to have two. Both of them together. So the Muslim said to me, it was like, avery, you know, if you're gonna go with Bible alone, one without the tradition without your church history, you don't know where your Bible came from.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

How can you tell me where your Bible, like, who handed it down to you?

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

If you just alienate yourself from that, you can't tell me, you lose all that history. I was like. And he was like, that's what, that's how it is with the Quran is. I was like, that makes sense. Wow.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, that's extremely encouraging. Yeah, I think, Yeah. I love looking at the early church history and seeing things especially too when it comes to some, like, I feel like one of the more dicey topics or like people that get really affinities is when you talk about the sacraments. And that's why I love looking back into early church history and looking at like, okay, how did they take confession? How did they view communion? Or what did baptism look like?

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Particularly, you know, something I'm, I wrestle with constantly is communion. Right. Like, my Catholic friends believe in transubstantiation, which is this idea that the bot. The, the bread you consume literally becomes the physical flesh of Jesus.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Now I, I personally think you can't look at the sacraments and say that there's nothing holy about it. Like, I don't, I, I don't hold this like hardcore Southern Baptist perspective. Oh, it's just a symbol, right? I'm like, no, I don't think it's just a symbol, but a lot of times when I talk to my Catholic friends, they bring up that passage in John 6, eat of my flesh. Yeah. But when I read the scripture, that's the only time that that's referenced not with. Associated with communion. It's like, just like, it's kind of like in there. You know what I mean? So what, you know, I would love to hear your thought on thoughts on communion and things like that.

[God Logic]

Yeah. So I, I don't hold that, that view that it's like the literal body of Christ or the blood of Christ. I, I don't hold that view. I definitely similar to you. Like, I believe that there is, there, it's holy. It's a, it's a holy sacrament. It's not just simply a symbol that we just take part in and it just doesn't mean anything like that. No.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

I think it truly, it truly represents the body being broken and his blood being shed for us and representing the new covenant. I truly believe that that's what it is. And by dishonoring that there's going to be. There's repercussions that happen. Okay. So I definitely believe it is a holy sacrament. I, I would say this because I'm not hardball on this either. I'm not like I'm looking in. I'm. I'm learning to see what they all are saying. I haven't been convinced, you know, that it's like the literal body and blood. I haven't, I haven't been convinced of that.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

You know, so I'm not denying, like. Oh, no. I just haven't. I haven't seen a reason to believe that necessarily. Yeah. That had to have to go that far with it, you know. No, no, I'm.

[Bryce Crawford]

I'm right there with you too. So another question I had was, so this is, this is my Bible, my physical leather, awesome Bible.

[God Logic]

Got the, Got the notes out, got the. Everything fused with it.

[Bryce Crawford]

Come on, bro. Beating it up. Where did we get this?

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

You know what I mean? Like, when, when did this 66 books become a thing? When did we. Like, who decided that the 66 books were in there? Where did we get that? How do we trust that? That's something that I've really been wanting to know and understand.

[God Logic]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's going deep into the, the later end of Christian history. Because when you're talking about the 66, obviously that there were more than that. The Ethiopians, they have like 80 of them, you know, Orthodox. But this, this is talking about the canons, right?

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

Like the cannons and what they decide what is, what is deemed helpful for the church and what isn't. So when it comes to the, the 66, from what I've learned, is that the. They didn't deem these books as. As inspired by God, more so information on history and stuff like that. But it's not thus says the Lord. And that's what you. In a lot of apocrypha, you don't find God speaking, you just find a recollection of history.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

With the Jews and stuff like that. So that's why you'll see a different canon within Protestantism, because they're saying these books, like the Torah, the writings of the prophets, the poetry books, the Gospel, obviously, and the apostle writings, these are inspired by God. God actually inspired these authors to write. These are his words. Yeah, you're right. Through. Through these men. The apocrypha aren't really inspired by God, although helpful for information. And the church was using that.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So on the other side, the apostolic side, they're like, man, the church was using this, so there's no reason to take these out, you know, so. But I I actually have to look into to see if they hold that all of those books are inspired by God or not. Or is it just that because the church has always used these, that they keep them, you know, So I have to look into that myself too. Yeah. But, yeah, that's what I know so far.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's super cool. That's super cool. I, yeah, I've always. The Apocrypha has been interesting to me. I, I've always, I've read them. I think they're valuable and I think they're. They're great. I, I personally don't look at them as inspired scripture.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But I, I've always wanted. Yeah, I've always just been like, where did I get this nice Bible? Where did I get this thing? Like, who decided this?

[God Logic]

Yeah, the reasons. What they do. They do. It's like this man is one. You have to, you, you had to be a prophet. You had to be an apostle of God or a companion of the apostle. Right. You had to know these people. You had to be in the, you know, the grain of things. Yeah. To be, to be an author and a writer. And this is how they were able to spot out forgeries really early on when they tried to say the, you know, say the Gospel of Mary or Thomas or something like that, they were able to call these things out, Peter and stuff like that. They were able to call this stuff out because they had this system where you're a prophet, you're an apostle, you are companion of the apostle, and you're in line. It's consistent with everything. Right. So that's how they would make these decisions.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah. And those are. You said, you mentioned the Gnostic Gospels. Is that what you mentioned? Can you explain? I don't, I don't know about that. What are the Gnostic Gospels?

[God Logic]

So, so you would have these heretical groups that would pop up, these Gnostics, and these are. They had a bunch of different beliefs, but like a lot of their beliefs, a main thing was that the physical world was evil. Like everything physical, everything material was evil. So a lot of them didn't believe that Jesus actually was really human because flesh is evil. So they didn't believe that God would take on flesh. He wouldn't take on this material world in any way, shape or form. So that would be impure of him. So they have this, this view that they pressed and they, they. I think Gnosticism has to do with like, hidden knowledge. They believe that they had some secret hidden knowledge that the other people were missing and didn't have. And so they would come out with all these type of forgeries to try to get their writings authoritative and get them some, some clout. But it didn't work.

[Bryce Crawford]

Interesting.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

So I really want us to talk about today Islam and Mormonism.

[God Logic]

Let's do it.

[Bryce Crawford]

These two particularly Islam, I believe is, personally, I believe is one of the biggest antichrists in the world.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

If not the totally deceiving people.

[God Logic]

Wait, really quick, what would you say is the biggest?

[Bryce Crawford]

Oh, it definitely is the biggest. Yeah. Islam is definitely the biggest. I mean, fastest growing religion in the West. I mean, just the impact Islam is having on people. I mean, I know people that I went to high school with or that I that are my age that went to other high schools that didn't grow up Muslim, have no Muslims in their family that have converted to Islam.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And, and now like tick tock shops, just pushing all these like English Qurans on people, which is absolutely crazy. Like, what the heck.

[God Logic]

Yeah, you. It's, it's easy to as a, as a Muslim concert creat pushing Islam. It's easy to get numbers and be in the algorithm. It's so easy, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

So like what? So there's so many different things that I've heard about Islam and if I could say there's something that's your bread and butter, it is Islam.

[God Logic]

Yes, sir.

[Bryce Crawford]

I've heard that Muhammad thought that the dreams that he was having were demonic.

[God Logic]

Yeah. At first. So. So at first he would. He got this revelation in the cave. Okay. And in the cave. And you'll see this inside Bukhari. This is a hadith. So this is a narration that. So when it comes to their hadith, they have certain levels of like their authority. Bukhari would be like their highest. That's like next to the Quran. It's not equal with the Quran, but it's like right under. That's their next authentic book. Right. So in Bukhari, he narrates a story where Muhammad is in the cave. He receives his revelation. And the spirit being, whatever this entity is, doesn't announce who it is. He doesn't say, hey, my name is this yada yada. No, what he does is he shows up, pops up a Muhammad says read. Now Muhammad's supposed to be illiterate. So mom is like, I can't read. So what the spirit does is he grabs him, presses on him until he can't like breathe and take it anymore. It's causing him pain. And then he releases him and says read. He's like I can't read. You know, this happens over and over and so until finally the spirit lets him go and tells him a verse, I guess of the Quran. And then so Muhammad leaves, runs out of the cave and the Hadith says that he's trembling in terror, sweating, veins of his neck is like bulging, you know, had this real spiritual experience. And he runs to his wife Khadijah and says, cover me, cover me. Because he was that scared. He's like, I think there might be something wrong with me, you know, that I, I either like he's a possessed, like he's being attacked by a demon or that he's going crazy. That's what he thinks. And so it takes Khadijah. Khadijah takes him to her cousin Warica. Supposed to be a Christian, but he's a heretical Christian. He's like, oh yeah, now don't worry about it man, you're a prophet. The same thing happened to him, to Moses. This is the angel Gabriel who appeared to you and the same angel appeared to Moses at the ver. In. In Exodus, basically. So that's where he learned that he was a prophet.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the heck?

[God Logic]

Yeah, exactly, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

That, that's like the, that's the worst ever. I feel like every time an angel comes and shows up in scripture, it, it. People fall down and try to worship and they're like, hey, don't worship me, my name's so and so. Like I'm, I'm not worthy of worshiping. But this dude just beating on. Beating.

[God Logic]

Yeah, at body slamming them, you know, rag dolling them, you know, just having us always suplexing them. RKO and them. And, but, but this is the, the crazy thing like you said. When we look in the Bible and we look at how God appeared to his prophets or other people or the angels, they were always comforted. Now there would be some times where initially there will be fear, they'll be startled a bit, right? You would expect that. You, you see this random angel coming, just pop up in your room, you're going to be fright, like who are you? What, what are you? Right, yeah. However, the angels always say peace, fear not, be not afraid. Right? A really good example of this is Daniel. Daniel was having these visions and dreams, right? And he was troubled by his visions. He prayed to God, man, send me. Like explain this stuff. He was troubled. God sent Gabriel. Gabriel comes and, and Daniel is afraid when he sees Gabriel. He's frightened by his sight, frightened by the vision, doesn't know what to do. I couldn't speak, he faints. He falls down. What Gabriel does is he picks him up, he says, stand up, helps him up. He says, I can't walk. He gives him strength in his legs and he could stand, but he can't speak. He's like, he's like mute, he says. And then Gabriel touches his mouth, strengthens his mouth, gives ability to speak. So we see that Gabriel comforts Daniel, encourages Daniel. He says, fear not, O man of God, for you are favored in God. Therefore, he heard you, he heard your prayers, and he's bringing down the. The explanation of the vision he gave you. Exact opposite from Daniel, comforted by the angel when he's fearful, comforted and encouraged versus with Muhammad, he's antagonized and frightened and oppressed. Two different things. This looks clearly demonic, while this one by Daniel is clearly sent by God. Totally opposite, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

How do Muslims reconcile that with, like, they can't. I mean, what do they do? They just ignore it?

[God Logic]

It's a, it's a, it's, you know, ducking your head under the sand. Or they'll just say, oh, you know, this is different. You know, Muhammad, every prophet has their trials, has the different, you know, trials, but with. They can't deal with the fact that you look at every prophet and how they receive revelation. There isn't one prophet that was oppressed, that was frightened, that felt like they were demon possessed. And by the way, at the end of the hadith, it talks about how Muhammad was trying to throw himself off a cliff. What? He was trying to commit suicide.

[Bryce Crawford]

So because of the demonic.

[God Logic]

Because of, because of one. His. His. The revelation that he received in the cave. And also it would stop, like, these revelations would stop coming to him. So he, he started doubting that he's actually from God and then tried to kill himself multiple times.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the.

[God Logic]

But then the angel would come and say, no, don't do it. You're. You're from God. You're still a prophet.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the heck?

[God Logic]

Yeah. Is that, does that, that sound like a true prophet of God to you?

[Bryce Crawford]

Bro, that is the wildest thing I've actually ever heard in my life, bro. So I, I think it. There's two types of Muslims, right?

[God Logic]

Yeah, well, no, there's. There's a bunch of them or the main or something.

[Bryce Crawford]

What is the difference between those two?

[God Logic]

So there's a lot of man. So, dude, within Sunni Islam, you have different schools of thought. Within Sunni Islam, same with Shia. It's the way that they practice their religion, the way they pray, how they wash they really get into fights of how they wash, whether they're supposed to wipe or they're just. Just supposed to wash. It sounds minute, but they, like, get into heated things about this.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the heck.

[God Logic]

Yeah. When it comes to their.

[Bryce Crawford]

Their prayer, that doesn't make any sense to me.

[God Logic]

I just feel like.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, I don't know. That's like ask. Yeah.

[God Logic]

Theologically, they have different. Like, Remember I was talking about hadith, Right.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

Sunnis and Shia, they have their own set of hadith. It's like they have their own history. So they. Where they break off with their history is who was supposed to take over after Muhammad. Is it the family of Muhammad or is it just his companions, his friends that took over? And so they fight about that, and so that really splits them up. You even have some Shias that accuse Sunni Muslims of corrupting the Quran, distorting it. Whoa.

[Bryce Crawford]

So is there like actual, like, physical. Major beef between those two groups?

[God Logic]

Dude, they kill each other all the time.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the heck?

[God Logic]

Yeah, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's insane. So what is, what exactly is the origin of Islam? Like, where did this whole thing start?

[God Logic]

Well, if we go with the traditional narrative, you know, it started right there with the. The story I gave you. Yeah. Muhammad is this guy, you know, who goes into this cave. His parents were pagan idol. Idol worshipers. He goes into this cave and he has an experience and he's friend. He's friends with this Christian who is supposed to be skilled in writing down the gospel. And so he learns a lot from him. He's surrounded by a lot of Jews, so he's hearing a lot of their stories. And then also the pagans. So he. He has influence from the pagan idolaters in Arabia, the Jewish. The. The Jewish folks in Arabia and the Christians in Arabia. And what he does is he takes it all and puts an Islamic twist on them. So you'll see elements of the pagan idolaters, like circling the Kaaba, kissing the black stone, these goddesses that he mentions and stuff like that. You will see. Obviously, he's repeating the stories of the Torah, of the Exodus and stuff like that, even though getting them wrong puts the Islamic twist on it. And then obviously the stories of Jesus, he. But a lot of it, a lot of his stuff comes from the night. Gets a lot of stuff from Gnostic stuff, Gnostic sources, like Jesus creating a bird from clay. That's Gnostic, right? Jesus speaking from the cradle. That's not the gospel. That's a Gnostic gospel. So the infancy Gospel of Thomas and all this kind of stuff that's. He's hearing these stories, these traditions, and that's what he's putting into the Quran as if it's revelation from God.

[Bryce Crawford]

Holy smokes. This dude's just a big. He just got jacked up.

[God Logic]

Yeah, it was, it was messed up. You know, when you look at Muhammad's story, at first you like, dang, like I feel sorry for him because he was completely deceived. But after that, the stuff that he did, you don't feel sorry for him.

[Bryce Crawford]

I mean, what kind of stuff was he doing?

[God Logic]

Sleeping with little girl like Aisha? He.

[Bryce Crawford]

How old was she? There's like debate on it there.

[God Logic]

There's no debate. Aisha was six years old when Muhammad married her. Nine years old when he slept with her. Oh my gosh, bro. That's in every single authentic hadith, every authentic narration. They all agree on Aisha's age being nine years old when Muhammad slept with her. And he was about 54, if I'm not mistaken. So imagine that. So sleeping with a, with a, with a little girl, saying that Allah showed me her in a dream, showed me you in a dream. And so now when I see you, I take that confirmation that I'm supposed to have. You allow a teaching that you are able to do this not just in his own actions, but you can do this. In the Quran, it teaches that, you know, you can marry, divorce and sleep with little girls. You know, that's chapter 65, verse 4. It talks about how when you're divorcing your women, you can divorce. When you're divorcing the women, they have a waiting period. It's called the ida. So the waiting period is to make sure that she's not pregnant so that she can move on to the next man. Okay, Right. So the older women who don't menstruate, that's their waiting period is like three months. Give them three months. If you don't think they're they're going to menstruate. If they might be pregnant, give it three months and then, you know, you can let them go. Right. For the child, for the girls, it says, and for the young, the ones who have not menstruated, it says the same, they have the same waiting period because you don't know if they might be pregnant or not. So yeah, it allows you to sleep with, divorce and marry.

[Bryce Crawford]

What you just Described with this 6 year old girl, Aisha. Is that what you said her name was? Aisha? If in America today, someone in jail who had committed a crime like that got released into the yard with other inmates. They would kill him.

[God Logic]

They brought. Yeah, they would take a lot for them, not for him to survive.

[Bryce Crawford]

But now you have the founder of a religion, the fastest growing religion in the world right now. And he. People are following this guy and his teachings, and they were completely overlooking, making.

[God Logic]

Excuses for defending it. Islam is the. As far as what I know, Islam is the only religion that I've encountered that openly defends, you know, pedophilia.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is insane.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

I think I heard something one time about a hadith, and this is why I'm asking you, because I don't want to just. My Bible teacher from high school said, always be a good, respectful skeptic.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And so I don't want to be a guy that's just like, oh, I heard. I want to know. You know, of course. So is there a hadith where it talks about how Jesus comes back to the disciples and he's basically like, yo, these guys are about to kill me. Like, I need someone to like, take my place.

[God Logic]

No, there's no hadith that says that. So you'll find that in a, in a commentary. Okay, so you'll find like a commentary of like, ibicathir. He shares like that opinion that Jesus wasn't crucified, but instead he was talking to his disciples saying, who's going to take my place for me and a young boy?

[Bryce Crawford]

So that's not theology. That's, that's not Muslim theology.

[God Logic]

No.

[Bryce Crawford]

So what, what is the Muslim stance on what happens to Jesus?

[God Logic]

It's a bunch of conjecture. You, you get different ones like the one like what you just mentioned, or you'll get that some Muslims will even actually say, yeah, Jesus was crucified. He was. Or put on the cross, but he didn't die. God raised him up. Allah raised him up to himself. So you have Muslim. Muslims say that. You have some Muslims that say he wasn't put on the cross at all, but Allah gave a delusion on the people to make them think that he was on the cross. So you get these different opinions, all this conjecture about what happened, they don't know. There's no consensus on it at all whatsoever.

[Bryce Crawford]

So how do they reconcile the fact that there are the followers of Jesus Christ died for the fact that he rose from the dead? Like, what do they think about that?

[God Logic]

They'll say, they'll. They'll say that that never happened or they'll deny that. That type of history, any history that goes against the Quran, they pretty much deny all history Bro, that's. Or. Or they'll. You have some that'll just say that those weren't the real believers. Those weren't the true believers of Jesus. And you have some that say, yeah, the. The true believers knew that he wasn't crucified and never preached it.

[Bryce Crawford]

So that's so interesting.

[God Logic]

Yeah, yeah. So.

[Bryce Crawford]

So the Quran.

[God Logic]

Yep, I have them. I see you got your little.

[Bryce Crawford]

I have one here right now. My boys down the street gave it to me, so.

[God Logic]

Down the street?

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, there's a, There's a, A mosque like five minutes from there.

[God Logic]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I need to visit them.

[Bryce Crawford]

So. So they gave this to me. Now, they told me that, yeah, this is the Quran, but it's not really the Quran because it's in English.

[God Logic]

Imagine that.

[Bryce Crawford]

So I'm like, okay, but how was the Quran made? I've heard, you know, story. The story about, you know, there being 10 and one was destroyed. Like, how was the Quran made?

[God Logic]

Bro, there's this. It's so much, man. But just to keep it, try to keep it as simple as I can. They used to rely on an oral recitation. They used to rely on memory, right. However, when Muhammad died, When Muhammad died, they used to go into battles. And so what they would do is the people that memorized the Quran, they will put these people on the front lines because they thought that Allah would protect them because they memorized the Quran. So to preserve the Quran, these people need to be alive and Allah's not going to let them die. So they sent them out to battle thinking they would be a for sure victory. News flash. They was getting beat up. They lost. Look at you.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's crazy. News flash. They didn't survive.

[God Logic]

They didn't survive. A bunch of the people that was memorizing the Quran, it was getting killed off, man. So they was like, okay, this ain't working. We need to collect the Quran and make a manuscript and we need to standardize it. So that's what. That's when the first standard Standard Quran happened under Abu Bakr. But then after that, you know, there were some troubles because different people had different Qurans and they were fighting over it. And so. And this is in Uthman's time. Yeah. And so he's the third Caleb. So the third leader after Muhammad's death. So you had Abu Bakr, then you have Umar, then you got Uthman. Okay, so Uthman, in his time, they're fighting over the Quran. There's different recitations. And so somebody comes in like, please, chief of the Believers, save us from all of these differences before we defer about the book like the Jews and Christians do. This is how bad it was. The differences were so bad that it could split the religion of like how Jews and Christians are split. That's how bad it was. So when a Muslim comes and tell us, oh no, the Qurans, there's only one Quran. It's been the same ever since Muhammad's time. There's never been a difference. That's a lie. All you got to do is pick up a hadith and just read. That's all you got to do. So what happens here is he's like, okay, fine, everybody got these different Qurans out here. What we're going to do is we're going to rewrite the Quran in a perfect copy. So Uthman has a. He rewrites the Quran and a perfect copy, he sends that Quran out to everybody and says, all your other Qurans that you have, whether they're fragmentary or their whole copies, burn them all. Burn all these Qurans that you got. Now imagine this. Imagine if we had a central, central transmission, a central control. Let's say Paul, for example. Let's just throw Paul out there. Let's say Paul has central control of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the prophets and the apostles. And he's like, you know what, guys, we're going to rewrite it. Everybody else burn the manuscripts that you have. The Muslims will be all over it. They'll be like, man, you see your Bible's corrupt. Don't you see it? You have this in your history. But it's cool when they do it. It's a problem when we do it. It's a problem when we do it. So. But luckily we don't have that. We don't have that central control. Not one person controlled the transmission of the Bible. But you have that in Islam. So you got this. The history of the Quran is very, very complicated. Even the Quran today, like, there's so many of them. But the main one that's used, like the English translation you have is, is going to be of the hafs Quran of the Arabic. The Arabic hafs Quran, that was, that was only standardized in 1924. So like 101 years ago. That's fresh. That's new. Dang. So, yeah, it's a pretty, pretty convoluted history.

[Bryce Crawford]

There's a lot going on.

[God Logic]

A lot going on, bro. A lot going. Look, I was just talking about, on my way to you, I was talking to a Muslim and he was like, your Bible's. They're. So which Bible do you use? How many Bibles you got? I was like, man, I got a lot of different Bibles, man. I got. And I got six different Qurans at the house. He's like, no, no, you lie. You lie. There's only one Quran. There's only. I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, I got six Qurans on my desk. I would show you if I was at home. He's like, no. All my life I've only known of one Quran. There's only one Arabic Quran. I'm like, okay, I'll tell you what, follow me. I'm gonna go live tomorrow just for you, and I'm gonna lay out all my Arabic Quran. Not English. These aren't English translations. I'm gonna lay out all my Arabic Qurans and I'll show you the differences.

[Bryce Crawford]

Where did you get those copies?

[God Logic]

Some good people, man. You know, I can't give you all my secrets, you know?

[Bryce Crawford]

Six of the 10 different copies that got.

[God Logic]

There's more than 10, bro. There's like 30 something.

[Bryce Crawford]

What the hell?

[God Logic]

There's like 10, like main, main ones. Yeah, you know, and they're really. Seven, like, really, really main ones.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is insane.

[God Logic]

Yeah. No, no, for. But people gay, like people who are like, like, really OGs in this. They gave these to me and so they, they knew where to get them and so they gave it to me. That's epic. Yeah, it was dope.

[Bryce Crawford]

So one thing that I've noticed about when, when I've had conversations in the past with Muslims is that their hardest thing is giving up Islam because they will be rejected by their family.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

The loyalty from their family. So, like, if you're, when you're having conversations with these Muslims that are slowly becoming convinced of, like, okay, Jesus might be the truth.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

How do you. I've had one conversation like that, and the barrier was I, I can't give up the loyalty in the family that I have. It was like the love, the love of the Muslim community was so deep for these people that they're just like, I can't give it up. Like, I'm gonna lose this all if I get. So how do you. How do you kind of explain. How do you. Do you get what I'm saying? How do you offer them the opposite? Does that make sense?

[God Logic]

Yeah, well, it's, it's one. You, you want to be honest with them, you gotta. You gotta be honest with them. And like, that is their reality. You, you, you sympathize with Them, you show them that you understand that. Because Muslims, they. They have a lot. They have a lot to lose that. That they feel they have a lot to lose. Like you just said, their family, their lives. Like, they're in danger for even some of them, for even talking, having these conversations and having these respectful, honest conversations. They're in danger with this. Like, I'm live on TikTok or live on YouTube. And like, one of the brothers, Muslim brothers was. He had to start whispering because his dad got home. So he couldn't have this conversation with his dad hearing this or. And being convinced.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So this is what you do. So what in my experience, what I've done is, is I showed them what Jesus said concerning this issue. That Jesus says that he divides, right? He didn't come to bring peace, but a sword in context of truth and light, being separated from darkness and falsehood. And so you are. And I. And I give it to them. You're talking about your soul here, not the love of your parents or your family. This is what. This is heaven and hell. Whether everybody hates you, this is heaven and hell. And Jesus says they will hate you. They're. They're gonna persecute you, man. But he says that do not fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one that can kill the body and the soul. Right? That those. What's the verse about the gaining the whole world but losing the soul. Right? Father will fight against son, mother will be against daughter, brother against brother, for my name's sake. And I. And I express them. Jesus already warned us about this. You are just the next living example, right? But what you can do is, is that you're in your situation. You're born into the family that you're born in for a reason. You're hearing this gospel for a reason. And this is for the Muslims listening. You will be that light in your family. You're that light. You're that example. You're that salt of the earth in your household. While the rest of your family are Muslims and are still deceived. You are that light. You have the gospel and you can live that. Be that Jesus that they see. Wow. So giving them that. It has. It is miraculously helped. There was this dude. Let me give you just really quick example. There's this grown man, he was. He was so fearful. Bryce, he was like, man, my. My daughters there, they go to the mosque. My wife, she's going to want to leave me. All the brothers, they're going to be questioning me and asking, like, why Am I not? Like, what do I do? Do I just stop going to the masjid? Do I. He was so scared. So scared, man. Scared is going to leave his f. His. They're going to lose his family. Scared that they was going to come after his family and him. He was so afraid because he lives in a Muslim and he's heavily involved. Yeah. And so. But glory to God, this is how the Holy Spirit works. The next day. The next day, he joined our live again. Completely different attitude. He's like, yeah, guys, Jesus is the truth. I prayed to him and I asked him to help me. And then I spoke to my wife, and she says she believes in Jesus too and doesn't want to be a Muslim. And now my daughters, they're. They all. We're all Christian now. Overnight, bro. Overnight, the whole family. Whole family. He said, I'm not scared anymore. I don't care what they say. You know what I'm saying? Just the different going from fear to that to that irrational confidence, similar to how the apostles were. They ran and flew. Flew when they came, came against Jesus. Then all of a sudden, they're preaching in the midst of where their. Their oppressors are. Yeah. That's what he was like. That's the Holy Spirit and the miracle of the gospel. Wow. Being honest, though, showing what Jesus says, let the Holy Spirit take it, and God is going to do what he does.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is so encouraging.

[God Logic]

Yeah, bro. It was the whole family. Whole family, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

Whole family.

[God Logic]

Whole family.

[Bryce Crawford]

Hope you got the head of the household. And he turned the whole place up.

[God Logic]

Whole dude. Entire household. Christian now. Now. It's insane. And he comes every now and then. He's like in the comment section on the live stream, you know, shouting us out and stuff. Like, just see, just completely different, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

Come on, bro.

[God Logic]

So shout out to that brother if he ever sees this, man. But. Love you and your family, but, man, God moves and he sees. He's. He's. He's not gonna leave you stranded and alone. He's with you in that trouble, in that darkness. Just trust him. Just trust in the Lord, man. Wow. That's the message.

[Bryce Crawford]

So I heard on a podcast clip last week from an ex Muslim who's now a Christian, saying that Muslim have the ability to lie for the sake of Islam.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

How can Muslims lie for the sake of Islam? Can you explain that?

[God Logic]

Yeah, so there's a. There's like the. They. They. There's this hadith that talks about, like, three situations where they can lie. One is to your wife. You can lie to your wife? Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Oh, snap. The women out there would go crazy. I know that was the case.

[God Logic]

My wife, she, she wouldn't have it.

[Bryce Crawford]

I can't imagine like lying. So I'm not married yet in Jesus name to my girlfriend. I couldn't imagine lying to my girlfriend.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[God Logic]

Yeah. Just. And, and so you can, you don't have to, like, for a Muslim, you don't have to tell her if you're getting a second wife, like, you just go get a second wife, start a family with her. You don't have to tell your, your wife about that. You can lie to her. Wow. Yes. Yeah, wow. So you can lie to your wife. You can lie when it comes to, like, let's say that you don't have the numbers as a, as a, as an Islamic, like, I guess community people. So you can fake a truce with, with the people that you're like, I guess, submitting to or trying to be peaceful with until you get strong enough. And you can go ahead and break that truth, break your oath if you want. And then another one, you can lie if it, like if there's two people that are quarreling with each other, you can lie to bring peace between them. Whoa. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Interesting.

[God Logic]

Yeah. So, bro. Yeah. Thou shalt lie down under three cases.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is crazy. That is crazy.

[God Logic]

Thou shalt lie, bro. Imagine that.

[Bryce Crawford]

So I see a lot of Muslims talk about the Trinity. They always bring up the Trinity. They deny the Trinity. They're always like, but you have got the Father and God the Son. Those are two different beings.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But you know, as Christians say that the Trinity is one essence, three persons.

[God Logic]

That's right.

[Bryce Crawford]

How do you explain the Trinity to a Muslim?

[God Logic]

Well, I, I like to start with a common ground that with a Muslim, they're really huge on Allah being incomprehensible. Really huge in that. Like the Quran talks about how Allah, there's nothing you can compare him to in creation. Right. So I like to establish that common ground that we as Christians and Muslims both believe that God is incomprehensible. He's nothing like his creation. Right. However, when I talk about Allah, I can point to a lot of things that's like Allah, Allah is only one being in one person. I'm only one being in one person. You're only one being in one person. You're just like Allah. I'm just like Allah. Right. But when it comes to the Trinity, Yahweh, you cannot point to anything in creation. You can't use any analogy. Every analogy you use falls short to compare to God and his nature. And so when it comes to the Trinity, God truly fits the bill of being incomprehensible, incomparable. This is not something we can wrap our minds around or make up on our own. Yeah. So that's step one. God is incomprehensible. So just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's not true. Right. Just like you wouldn't say that Allah, when he has a hand or a shin that he's going to show on the day of judgment, and you say we don't know what his shin is like, his hands are not like our hands. We can't explain it, but you still accept it, have that same energy and consistency when it comes to the Trinity. Just because you can't comprehend the nature of God doesn't mean that this concept is false. Wow. That's step one. Step two is God is infinite. God is the greatest conceivable being. So for example, my favorite argument for the Trinity is how God is love to be love. And I'll ask, I'll ask this question. I said, what would you say is you would agree that God is the greatest conceivable being. He's the highest in every quality. Right. And the Muslim was like, of course. Yes, of course. I said, so he's the most loving, the greatest love, right? That's right, absolutely. Okay, good. What quality of love would you say is greater? Would you say it's selfish love, Love that you just have for your own self, or love that you share with another? They'll say shared love. Yes, of course. I agree. Awesome. So that means since we can conceive of a love that is greater than just selfish love, then God has to at least have that quality of love that's greater than selfish love, shared love, which requires another person. So within God's essence, God has to have shared love, love that he shares with another person without depending on creation. If God is independent, he can't depend on creation. He has to be have the greatest qualities within his own self. Wow. With Allah, who is he loving before creation? Himself. Okay, so he has the lowest quality of love, the triune God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, sharing that cooperative love together from eternity's past without depending on creation. That's why the Bible says God is love and the Trinity exemplifies that. Oh.

[Bryce Crawford]

So yeah, I'm not even lying. That might be one of the greatest examples of the Trinity I've actually heard. I've never Heard anything that, that made so much sense, brother.

[God Logic]

It is for me. It's, it's the best argument when explaining it. Like, if you're talking about explaining the Trinity, I think that the love argument is, is, is top tier.

[Bryce Crawford]

So what, what is the difference between an American Muslim and a Muslim from the Middle East?

[God Logic]

Yeah. So I, I both would, Both of them, I think, would have to do a culture like an American Muslim. It's popular to be a Muslim. It's like the thing to do, it's the woke thing to do is to be a Muslim or to sympathize with Islam. Right. With a Middle Eastern Muslim, it's, it's culture. Like they're, they're, it's bred into their veins. Like it's Islam, you know, so it's not even necessarily totally religious. It's cultural. It's what they are. Yeah. You know.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So that, that would be a big difference, I would say, with America. In America, it's popular to be Muslim. So you sympathize with Islam. You're woke if you're a Muslim or like if, even if you're not on the woke side. But just that conversion, you know, you're not, you're not in that culture that, that, that, that it's like, you're not bred into it. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

You know something that blew my mind, which, you know, if, if you're watching or listening to this out there or you're a Muslim, I, I looked into Muslim eschatology and it just blew my mind at how all the bad stuff for Christians is like all their good stuff.

[God Logic]

Yeah, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

I was like, what the heck? Like, it's crazy. That is the craziest thing to me. All the bad stuff for Christians is the good stuff. In their end times, we believe in a mass falling away. And they believe in a mass conversion to Islam.

[God Logic]

Yes.

[Bryce Crawford]

And like. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. The craziest thing to me about the Muslim eschatology is in the. They. They do like. And I could totally be butchering, so correct me.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But it's like they, they do these parades and celebrations in the street, tour in like, if you don't confirm convert to Islam, they commit jihad on you and they like behead you. Something like that.

[God Logic]

There's, there's, there's. I don't know about. You said a, a march in the street.

[Bryce Crawford]

They do like, celebrations in the street.

[God Logic]

I haven't heard of that. Okay. However you have in like the Quran teaches this, like literally. This is chapter nine, verse 29. It says fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor the last day or the final messenger, or forbid what Allah and his messenger forbid among the people of the Book. The people of the Book are the Jews and Christians. Until they pay the jizya. Right. Is a tax that makes you feel humiliated and until you feel subdued. So the Quran literally commands Muslims to fight against us because. Not because we're fighting against them, but because we don't believe. We don't believe in Islam. We believe Jesus is the son of God and was crucified. So you. We deserve to be fought for it. So that's in the Quran. It's in the Hadith. Right. So when it comes to certain people going out and committing this jihad, going out and fighting on behalf of Allah, they're not extremists. They're not. They're real Muslims. Yeah. The extremists are the ones who are saying, no, it's Kumbaya. It's. It's Skittles and rainbows and sour patches. You know, That's. That's. Those are the. Those are the extremists.

[Bryce Crawford]

Whoa.

[God Logic]

Those are the bad. They're just woke up. They're just woke. Yes. Dang.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah. That's what I always talk. Because I'm like, yeah, when.

[God Logic]

In.

[Bryce Crawford]

In America, when I see Muslims saying, oh, yeah, it's fine if you're a homosexual, or it's fine if you're these things. I'm like, bro, go to the Middle east and say these things that you support. They will literally beat you in the street.

[God Logic]

Go say that in the middle of the marketplace, man. Go. Go ahead and say that Christians are going to heaven in the marketplace. Say that Jesus is the son of Allah in. In a correct sense. Go ahead and say that in Saudi Arabia. But go. Go say that in the Middle east in the middle of the marketplace. And I'll just wait and I'll. I'll wait for you to come back. I'll see if you come back. You won't make it back. No, no, no.

[Bryce Crawford]

Have you ever been in the Middle East?

[God Logic]

No, I haven't.

[Bryce Crawford]

Do you want to go?

[God Logic]

Yeah, bro. Bro, I want to go to the Kaaba, man. I want to go to the Mecca and I want to preach the gospel, but I won't make it back. About.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, yeah.

[God Logic]

I can't even get in, though, even if I wanted to, man. But yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

So if someone.

[God Logic]

If.

[Bryce Crawford]

If a Christian went. Was visiting the Mecca and it was prayer time and they didn't go in there to pray, what would happen?

[God Logic]

Well, they, they wouldn't make it in, in the first. You can't go to Mecca as a Christian. You have to be a Muslim to go to Mecca.

[Bryce Crawford]

So it's not necessarily a bad thing if you went to the. Like you were there and I couldn't, I, I just couldn't get there.

[God Logic]

I'm an infidel, I'm a kafir. I'm a disbeliever. So I, I'm not allowed. Like my presence diminishes the Holy Land basically. You know, I, I can't, it wouldn't let me in.

[Bryce Crawford]

So my last question before we switch to Mormonism.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Are there contradictions in the Quran?

[God Logic]

A bunch of them. You want one?

[Bryce Crawford]

Can you point one out to me?

[God Logic]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, I got you. Hey, you know me. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

One handed.

[God Logic]

Watch enough anime, man. You good with this? All right, so look, this is a real easy one. Okay, I'm gonna give you two. Okay. Give me two contradictions and then. Yeah, all right, so this is one, one of my favorite ones. Very clear. What I like to do is I like to show Muslims that we read in context. So we're not like cherry picking verses, but we're reading in context. Right. So I'm gonna show, I'm gonna show at least three verses that say the same thing, that there's a common theme that the Quran is saying. Okay. And then I'll show the opposite. So the first thing I'm gonna show is chapter six, verse 115. And in this verse, watch what it says here. Once we get devices, it says where's. Where the verse said. Here's verse 14.

[Bryce Crawford]

114.

[God Logic]

Okay. Oh, okay. There it is. All right, so it says, the word of your Lord has been perfected in truth and justice. None can change his words. And he is the all here, the all knowing. Here's verse 114. Sorry, that was 115. Say, oh Prophet, should I seek a judge other than God while he is the one who has revealed to you the book with truth perfectly explained. So we just heard it. The, the book is perfectly explained, right?

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

Okay, cool. All right. Okay, that's, that's, that's pretty nice. All right, maybe that's just a one off little thing, you know, let's see if it's. Is that, is that consistent? Let's see.

[Bryce Crawford]

Chapter cooking right now.

[God Logic]

Yep. Here's chapter 11, verse one. It says, this is a book whose verses are perfectly explained. Okay, that's two. We, two for two. Consistent. All right. Pretty consistent. All right. All Right, now let's go to chapter 12. We're going to read verse 111, the very last verse of the chapter. And it says in their stories, I'm talking about the stories of the prophets. There is truly a lesson for people of reason. This message. The Quran cannot be a fabrication, but rather it is a confirmation of the previous scriptures and a detailed explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy for people of faith. So we got three verses that say that the Quran is perfectly explained. This one is very beautiful because it says it's a detailed explanation of everything. Wow. Right?

[Bryce Crawford]

That's a bold claim.

[God Logic]

It's a huge claim that that's why, I mean, I'm glad the Bible never said that because the Bible is very ambiguous in a lot of places.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

You know, but this gives you no room for the Quran to be missing details. It just made claim over and over again. It's perfectly explained, detailed about everything. Okay, now let's be charitable. It's not saying it's going to be detailed about how to tie your shoe or work a microwave. I can talk about that. But everything the Quran mentions in this book should be perfectly detailed, explained. Is that fair? Yeah. All right, that's fair. All right, so now where's the problem? Now here's chapter three, verse seven. Watch this. So in chapter three, verse seven, this is what it says here. When we get to the verse, he is the one who revealed to you, O Prophet, the book of which some verses are precise, they're pretty clear, very specific, they are the foundation of the book. While others are elusive, some are unspecific and ambiguous. But it doesn't stop there. Watch what it says. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses, seeking to spread doubt about their through their false interpretations. But none grasps their meaning except Allah. As as far as those with well grounded knowledge, they just say, we believe all is from Allah. So this verse just said there's some clear verses, there's some elusive versus unclear verses, and only Allah knows the meaning of those unclear verses. So you can't have the Quran be perfectly explained, a detailed explanation about everything, while at the same time have verses that are unexplained, where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction. All right. What the heck. Yeah. So pretty cool right there. Now you can have fun with that.

[Bryce Crawford]

One because it's like, oh, we found a contradiction. Pretty cool. You know, if you're watching, if you're out there, it's pretty great. We just found a contradiction.

[God Logic]

Not a contradiction to Crime, man. Pretty clear one. Now, you can have fun with this because let's say you don't bring up the contradictory verse, right? Let's say you just go with the verses I showed you where it says it's perfectly explained, detailed about everything. I don't need this verse to show us a contradiction. All I can do is just show where. The Quran's ambiguous. So, for example, when it talks about the fall of Adam and his wife, it doesn't mention who his wife is. Who's his wife? When it mentions Abraham's wives, doesn't mention who. Who are they? Sarah and Hagar. Doesn't name them or the sons. Which. Which of the sons were the ones to be sacrificed? Who was the firstborn? It doesn't say. It doesn't say which son. There's a lot. Or the. The crucifixion of Jesus. It was made to appear so that he was crucified. Okay, what happened, though? Know. You don't know. Appear to who? You don't know what happened. You don't know. There's all of these details that are missing with the Quran. It's not explained at all. It's very ambiguous.

[Bryce Crawford]

Wow, dude, that. That's insane.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

It's so crazy because they. So what, what happens when you explain that to a Muslim?

[God Logic]

One of two things. Either they deny it or they acknowledge it and say, you know what? Okay, I need to do some research on this. That's one of the, One of those two ways, you know, basic response. Yeah, I just, I just had a young Muslim, young Muslim kid join the live stream. He's been showing up a bunch of times, and I love this dude. He's, he's, he's, he's brave, you know? Yeah, he, he said, if you could show me any contradiction in the bi. In the Quran logic, I'll become a Christian today. Show me one contradiction. I said, you sure? He's like, yeah, I'm sure. I'm like, you positive? You hear what you're saying? He's like, yes. I'm like, all right, I got you. I showed him this, this contradiction. He's been coming back, like five streams in a row with different explanations from, like, his teachers and stuff like that. And we've been walking through it and he's been out. He's like, yeah, okay. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah, it looks like it's a contradiction. I'm like, so, you ready to become a Christian? He's like, no, wait, no, not yet. I gotta see, you know, so. But that's a little fun little. He's a fun little character on our. On our series, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

I love that, that you. I love. Before we move on to the Mormon. Mormonism. I just love how you are like actively discipling these dudes.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Like, you're not one off, like hitting these guys hard and like, you're like, see it? And I think that's the part of the Great Commission that we miss, is it says and teach them everything that you know.

[God Logic]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And bro, you were actively teaching these people everything that you know. I mean, the dude that gets turned his whole family to Christ still popping up, consuming the content. You're digitally discipling this guy, this kid. You're literally discipling him online.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And that's actually brave for him to be young. I mean, I know the younger I was, the more pride I had, you know, probably like 13, 16, 17. I was so prideful, bro.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And the fact that he's standing up and being like, even having the remote chance of looking humiliated in front of his culture.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

It's a big deal.

[God Logic]

Yeah. It's. I'm honest. I'm shocked by it. I'm gonna be real. I'm shocked by him specifically. He's. He's able to come back over and over and. But he. He has. He has more humility than a lot of the adults that we talk to. Wow. He's able to. I get a better conversation out of him than a lot of the dishonest adults that I talk to. He's able to follow the reason and. And the conclusion. He's like, okay, yeah, this for now. It looks like a contradiction. Yeah. You know, he can at least admit it. And so he's. He's close. That's why I love that dude, man. He's welcome. I don't care what my topic is. He can come anytime and I'll talk to them because he's. He's reachable.

[Bryce Crawford]

Come on.

[God Logic]

He's reachable.

[Bryce Crawford]

So that's lit.

[God Logic]

Yeah. Yeah. Praying for him, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

Oh, well, I want to switch to Mormonism.

[God Logic]

Yeah. Let's talk about the moment.

[Bryce Crawford]

I gotta got my second book over here. You know what's so crazy is that they still have yet to come to my house.

[God Logic]

Do they know you?

[Bryce Crawford]

They are the only. They are the only people group religion that will not talk to me, dude. And it's crazy because I'm just being open and vulnerable here. I don't know as much as you do. And they still won't come talk to me. I Don't know what it is. Yeah, I would be afraid to talk to you if I was a Mormon. I would be afraid to talk to Preston Perry.

[God Logic]

Yeah, Preston.

[Bryce Crawford]

I mean, dude, he is whipping them up.

[God Logic]

I gotta call Preston too, because I, I, I need some, I need some insight. But, but yeah, Preston's crazy. He's crazy with it.

[Bryce Crawford]

He is crazy. Just crazy evangelist. I love it. I, I know, I know basic stuff, but I, I still want to ask the questions because I think it's, I think it's valuable. I think it's important. And there's just a lot of people that follow us that are like, oh, yeah, we're Christian, but they're really Latter Day Saints. And I'm like, you guys aren't Christian? And then they get upset. And I'm not trying to be mean. I just got.

[God Logic]

Love them real. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Trying to be the truth.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

So our boy, Joseph. Joseph Smith. Come on.

[God Logic]

Our boy. Look, man, I'll tell you what. I. Sometimes I have this question where I ask my audience, who do y' all think is the biggest false prophet out of Moses and Muhammad? Which one gets it? And it's a split. It's a split group. Some say Muhammad, some say Joseph Smith. You know, maybe I need to learn more about Joseph Smith, because I, I give it, I think it's Muhammad, but some people say Joseph Smith, man. Our guy Joe, man, Big Joe out here getting the flag, man. So, you know, it's funny because I was live once, right? I was live, and Mormons came to my house while I was live, and I invited them on the live stream. It's, it's on, it's on my channel. And so they sat behind me and we, and we spoke. Oh, yeah, it was so fun.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's lit.

[God Logic]

So fun.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, that is so lit. I, you know, this. Yeah, this has got to be the most interesting one to me.

[God Logic]

Really?

[Bryce Crawford]

All of them? Yeah. I mean, I, I feel like, I feel like everything's pretty clear cut, but when you got a dude that's been arrested three times for falsifying treasures, and then he founds an entire religion off of discovering a treasure that only he can decipher. That's, that's, that's pretty crazy to me.

[God Logic]

See, dude, See, that's what I'm saying. I need to learn more about, about Joseph Smith then, because I didn't, I didn't know that, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

He's been arrested like three or four times for falsifying treasures. They have one, they have like, one trial that, that Mormons are typically like, oh, this one's not a big deal. It's like, okay, well, let's exclude that one. There's still two more that he's been arrested for for falsifying treasures. And then he founds an entire religion off of.

[God Logic]

Off of finding a treasure that he can.

[Bryce Crawford]

Finding some gold tablets.

[God Logic]

Yeah, bro, I'm tell. With, with Mormons, I usually, I usually deal with the theology that they brought about being gods and.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, what is all that? Some Mormons, I say, hey, do you believe that you're. You're going to become a God one day? And some of them say no, but I'm almost positive the Mormon theology is that they believe they're going to become God.

[God Logic]

Yeah, that is the theology. So if they're saying no, they're just unaware of what Joseph and Brigham Young and what these guys taught.

[Bryce Crawford]

So where does that come from?

[God Logic]

That comes from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Like, these guys are in some of the, A couple of the sermons. I don't. Man, I wish Jeff Durbin was here right now. Just lay it out, because I don't want to misspeak. But in one of Joseph Smith's talks, and I think it's also Brigham Young, but they talk about how they're going to refute the idea that God, the Father has always been God, but that he was once as we are and we will become as he is. You know, so they had this, they taught this idea that we're going to become gods one day and that the Father himself was a man who became God one day. And then there's. You go like this. It's this infinite regress where. And his Father became God and his Father, you know, so it's that. It's, it's, it's, it's so blasphemous. It's so heretical. And it's terrible. It's such a. Terrible about theology.

[Bryce Crawford]

What about, what about the Jehovah's Witness?

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

You. You know a lot about the Jehovah's Witness.

[God Logic]

Yes. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

So, like, I, I vividly remember being 10 years old and getting a knock on my door and these people telling me about Jesus and giving me a pamphlet. And I remember shutting the door, coming inside, and be like, mom, these two women just gave me this pamphlet on Jesus, and my mom grabbed it, flipped it to the back, saw the JW and threw it away.

[God Logic]

Good on her, man. So very wise thing.

[Bryce Crawford]

So, you know, can you kind of give me a rundown of the Jehovah's Witness religion?

[God Logic]

Yeah. Sure. So, you know, you got Charles Taze Russell, who, you know, basically started this little movement. But really, man, Jehovah's Witness, they broke out from a group with the Mormons as well. Like, everybody was kind of part of this group until like these end time prophecies failed. And then they broke off into their like, own little groups. And then. So Jehovah's Witnesses is kind of like a byproduct of that. And Charles Russell is that. And then, so they're obviously teaching this, what is called the, an Aryan heresy. Like back in the, in the Council of Nicaea, you know, Arius was arguing that Jesus is a lesser God. He's not God in the same sense that the Father. He's not of one substance. So that's what Jehovah's Witnesses teach. They teach that Jesus is a lesser God. They have a different Bible, basically, John 1:1. It doesn't say in the beginning was the Word and the words with God and the Word was God. It says in the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was a God. So they teach that Jesus is a God and he's a lesser God than the Father, Jehovah. Whoa.

[Bryce Crawford]

And what's up with them substituting God's name out with Jehovah everywhere in Scripture? What's up with that?

[God Logic]

Well, Jehovah is his name.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, it's one of his names.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But why did they do that?

[God Logic]

Because, so, so for importance. And I could give them credit for this. I, I actually like that they do this, that they, they, they really revere the name Jehovah. They revere God's personal name. God does say that this is my everlasting name. That will always, this will always be my name. His name is Yahweh or Jehovah, however you want to pronounce it. Right. And so this is who he is. And so where, you know, the, the Jews and, and their scriptures, they didn't want to use the name in vain and translate it. So they translated as, as Lord, when really it's, it's Yahweh, it's Jehovah. Right. And so that's why they're really big on that. But they put this, some, they make it this conspiracy. Like, see, Christianity's trying to hide the name of Jehovah. No, bro, it's just these different translations and the historical context behind it. Like you literally have Bibles. Like, I use the Bible, it's LSB Bible that has God's name all over the place. It has Yahweh. It uses Yahweh every time. Wow. You know, so. Yes, but there's.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's really not that big of a deal.

[God Logic]

It's not that big of a deal. No, the big. The big deal is, is when they manipulate the text to. To say that Jesus isn't Jehovah. Well, so they'll put Jehovah where Jehovah isn't used. Because in that. In that verse, it'll be being applied to Jesus. For, for example, there's a verse in First Corinthians, chapter 10. Bro, this. This verse is underrated when it comes to the deity of Christ. It talks about how Jesus was that rock who followed Israel in the wilderness, who sustained them. The rock of Israel, obviously, in the Old Testament, in Deuteronomy, it says that Jehovah, Yahweh is the rock of Israel. So they. They. They replace that. They'll. They'll say, no, it's just. It's just the Lord is just Jesus. They don't. They don't call him the Jehovah. They don't identify him as Jehovah. But then it gets worse. When you read. Continue to read First Corinthians 10, and you get down, it says, let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them did in the wilderness and were destroyed by serpents. That happened in the wilderness. In Numbers, when they tested God and griped against Moses, and then God sent serpents to destroy them. And it says, that's Jehovah. Jehovah is the one that they tested against. So we have a clear verse that points to Jesus being Jehovah, and that's a verse that they will manipulate and change. Whoa. So all the verses that point to the deity of Christ and him being Jehovah, him being Yahweh, they manipulate.

[Bryce Crawford]

Crazy. Don't they have a magazine, too?

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

That they, like, look at, Like.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Do they view it as, like, holy text?

[God Logic]

Basically, they won't say that. But basically, the Watchtower Society, they. They put out these pamphlets, these books, and these books are basically scripture to them, because what the Watchtower says, that's what it is. How they. What. Whatever they say, what the Bible says it means, that's what it says it means. So you can't read the Bible and look at the Bible on your own and see a clear verse and. And come to a conclusion that goes against the why. If the Watchtower says the opposite of what the verse says, that's what it is. If not. Or else you're a heretic. Dang.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's crazy. You know, it's. It's. It's sad because I'm like, I know. I know Jehovah's Witness.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

I know some Mormons. I know a lot of different people. And they're nice people.

[God Logic]

Nice.

[Bryce Crawford]

Nice people don't get into heaven, though.

[God Logic]

Yeah, exactly. There'll be a lot of nice people in hell.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah, it's just sad. Nice people don't go to heaven. Faithful people go to heaven.

[God Logic]

Talk about it.

[Bryce Crawford]

I want to be faithful to Jesus. And that's. Bro, that's like. So Jehovah's Witness, they don't get a blood transfusion.

[God Logic]

Why? They think that. That it goes against the Bible. They'll. Man, I forget some of the verse. There's a verse they use an acts. Oh, oh, there it is. About abstaining from food with blood in it. And so they say, see, you're not supposed to consume blood. And a blood transfusion, you're consuming blood. And so therefore, you're going against the Bible, which is so context, ladies and gentlemen, has nothing to do with getting blood, you know, infused in you so that you can freaking live. Has nothing to do with that, bro. Nothing at all. Abstain from food with blood in it. You're not eating blood. That's not what is happening with a blood transfusion, bro. What is this? So, man, God bless their souls, man. Hopefully they come to the truth to be guided. But that's. That. That's the gist of it, of why they go against that, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

So right now, when you're looking at just a macro view of what's going on, not only in America, but in the world, there seems to be this, like, massive uptick in Christianity right now.

[God Logic]

We're taking over. It is.

[Bryce Crawford]

We. It really is. A lot of young men, which is crazy. A lot of young men are turning to the faith.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But a lot of people are rising up into the faith.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And it's crazy because social media is playing a big part in this.

[God Logic]

Huge part.

[Bryce Crawford]

And it was so crazy because in 2023, when I had this dream that I, you know, I shared with you about God giving us a dream, starting the ministry and doing the digital ministry. I remember explaining to Josh, he met him, but he was the one that started with me, I was like, dude, it's crazy because you got a guy like Andrew Tate who will infiltrate people's feet. People that don't follow him, don't care about him. Everyone knows who he is. Everyone knows what he's about, and he's indoctrinating people by infiltrating their feet. And I remember looking at Josh and going, dang, wouldn't it be crazy if that happened with the gospel? And like, the gospel just infiltrated people's feet. And it didn't matter who you are, what you believed, you just couldn't avoid it.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And it feels like we're in that time right now where you just can't. You can't avoid the gospel right now, bro.

[God Logic]

Being you said it earlier in your prayer that being biblically, being biblically literate is cool. Yeah, that's. That's the wave right now. Biblical literacy, knowing the Bible, knowing Jesus, being unapologetically Christian. Yeah. Is cool. That's the wave. Yeah, it's. It's everywhere. It's what's poppin. It's what's taken over. Like, especially I think it's a large part because we're in a. A place where a lot of wokeism has risen, you know, trans ideas has risen. These confusion, confusion, delusions have risen up. And combating that is the gospel. Yeah, that's what's combating it.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yep.

[God Logic]

And so that is like, people like, yeah, this is reality. The gospel is hidden in reality. Not only is it hidden the reality, but it's hidden home in my problem and my sin. It's the truth. People should know this. And the young people are holding onto it. They're grabbing onto it. And it's. It's the wave right now, man. My New York trip, London trip, doesn't matter. Tick tock is filled with young people who love the word of God, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yep.

[God Logic]

And are unapologetic about it. Want to get out there and get in it and tell people about Jesus. Like, it's crazy right now.

[Bryce Crawford]

It is crazy. I love it. And that's why we need more people like you being faithful and going out and spreading the word and being truthful.

[God Logic]

Come on, bro. You.

[Bryce Crawford]

So you've been a speaker's corner, bruh.

[God Logic]

That was like me walking into a candy store, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

You want to talk about, like.

[God Logic]

Of.

[Bryce Crawford]

A verbal World War II Speaker's Corner? I mean, get a serious question. I. That's a legendary spot.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

From the videos I see on the Internet, it just seems like there's no fruit. It just seems like people are yelling at each other. Is that just the case or have you seen fruit out there?

[God Logic]

No, no, it's definitely fruit. There's definitely.

[Bryce Crawford]

Okay. Because all the only videos I see from afar, which I, you know, that's 2% of the 100 that's going on there.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

But it's just like people yelling at each other back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. But what. Yeah, some fruit you've seen out there.

[God Logic]

So. So, number one, let me tell you, the. When those videos were going on, Islam was running it, running Speaker's Corner. Right.

[Bryce Crawford]

Those are all the videos I've seen.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And they're like Muslim apologists. Yeah.

[God Logic]

Yep. And they're basically almost going unmatched until the Christian apologists started popping up. Competent Christian apologists. Not just your tourists, that's in London, but real apologists, defenders of the faith, engaging with these guys and demolishing them now. And really a lot of it, sometimes it may look like it's a yelling match, but it has risen a confidence and a fire in the Christians in London and also in somebody like me, who, before I. I started my channel, I was like, man, I want to do that. I want to go there and give the gospel with confidence, because these guys need to be shut up. So it rises up, Christians, a fire in us to defend the faith, to know our scriptures, and to contend against these. These. These liars. Right. And so the fruit is now, a few years later, Speaker's Corner is taken over by Christians. Those same Muslim apologists avoid us at all costs. And the Christian. When I went to London, the first time I went to London, it was Christian galore. Christ. Christ is king. Christ is king. Chance. It's like a Christian gang banging up. That's what it was like. It was that crazy. And the second time I went, and now. And then now you're seeing this revival in London in the uk, you're seeing this revival of Christians standing up against the Islamic regime. That's right. That rose up out there. Wow. So it's been very fruitful. Maybe not immediately, but over time, you see how God has grown that. And sparked the fire, and now it's flaming.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's encouraging to hear because, you know, from afar, and that's with anything that's with, you know, news, you know, anything on social media, you get 2% of the hundred percent going on there.

[God Logic]

But those are.

[Bryce Crawford]

All the videos I had seen were just Muslims dominating people. I didn't realize that they were just dominating tourists.

[God Logic]

Yes, they're darn. They're. They. Dude, they. One of them. They didn't know who I was, and that's how I was. I'm able to get some good conversations sometimes because I'm. I'm very unassuming. Man. Backwards. Cap, chill. You Know, you're not gonna think nothing much.

[Bryce Crawford]

Wise as a serpent, but as innocent as.

[God Logic]

Exactly. So I'm walking around Speaker's Corner, man, you know, and one of their dawa guys, he's like, yeah. You ever been to Speaker's Corner before? I said, no, it's my first time. He's like, would you. You a Christian? Yeah. You wanna have a conversation? Yeah, I'll have a conversation. And so. Oh, man. And. And, and. But everybody else, they knew, knew. They knew what was coming, but they didn't say anything. And so in this conversation. But he learned. He learned real quick that I wasn't one of those dudes. I wasn't one of those tourists. He never spoke to me again, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

He was. You were probably the last guy he needed to talk to. The last guy.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is.

[God Logic]

He avoided all the Christian, like, apologies that was there that day. He avoided all of us and everything. He came to me because he didn't know who I was. He thought I was a tourist. And that's who they seek. They seek, bro. I literally walked up to a Muslim booth out there. They set up their booths. They heavy out there in London. I walked up to a booth and they literally told me, we want to talk to people who don't know about Islam. Of course you do. You don't want to talk about. Talk to people who know your religion and actually bring objections to your religion, criticisms to your religion. You don't want to talk to us.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

You want to talk to somebody gullible, somebody who you can trick and deceive, beguiled. That's who you want to talk to. Because your father is the devil, man. Dang. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

And by the way, for those that don't know what Speaker's Corner is, it is just a spot in the uk. Where is it? Only on the weekend. Only on Saturday.

[God Logic]

So it's a park, but, like, there's a. There's a corner of the park where every Sunday people go and they have these interfaith dialogues. Debate. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Which is just. It's basically Muslims and Christians.

[God Logic]

Mostly Muslims and Christians. You'll get some atheists there. You'll. You'll get some, you know, some other, like, mysticists there. You get all kinds of people there. Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

All right, last question for you.

[God Logic]

Sure.

[Bryce Crawford]

Give us some free game here. All right? Come on. What resources are you reading and what books are you reading to learn the facts that you're learning? Because I believe there's an abundance of information out there, but a lack of clarity. Where are you what resources are you using and things like that?

[God Logic]

Yeah, so I like to study topically, you know, so. And I like to master topics. When I do that, it, it just sits. I, I don't forget it.

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So. So what I, what I've done and what I still continue to do. Answeringislam.org answeringislam.info Whatever. Just Answering Islam, period. They have three different websites. Their articles have helped me so much because they deal with stuff topic at a time. But it's not in just answering Islam, it's defending the faith. Yeah. So you learn how to defend the deity of Christ. You learn how to defend the reliability of the Gospel and the Bible and the New Testament and the Torah and stuff like that. You learn how to navigate conversations and discussions with them. So what Answering Islam. Every Christian should go and look at those articles and study those articles because they deal with everything you could think of.

[Bryce Crawford]

Pretty much.

[God Logic]

Wow. Everything you think of all these objections you could think of. And when you learn these articles, you learn. Study these articles. You'll be able to talk to a Jehovah's Witness, an atheist, it doesn't matter because that stuff is covered. Wow. It's covered. So that, that helped me. A couple books putting. Putting Jesus in His Place deals with his deity. Talking about his deity and the Trinity. Excellent book, man. Gives you these Old Testament references that and these New Testament like, like what I just. First Corinthians 10, 9, I brought to you. He gives, they give a lot of those type of connections. So you see where Jesus, like where a lot of Christians will sleep on Jesus's claims. Where like, like for example, where Jesus says that he's the Lord of the Sabbath. People look over that. That is a crazy claim and a direct claim of divinity being the Lord of the Sabbath. Yeah. Right. So. And he. And he connects that with how that's claiming to be Yahweh, who is the owner, the Lord, the, the creator of the Sabbath. So, so stuff like that, putting Jesus in his place. And what's this? Another book is the. I think it's the pre incarnate Christ or defending. Defending the deity. I forget the name of the book. I'll have to, I have to like put in the description or something. Yeah. Anyway. But yeah, so answering Islam, excellent resource. Every Christian should have it. It'll. It'll. You'll love it, Bryce. Like you will love. Go to those articles. It deals with those topically. You will love it, man. I'm telling you, it'll open your brain. It'll Open your polemics and apologetics. Defending and also going on the offensive. It'll. It'll gear you up, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

Whoa. I almost disrespected you by accident. I got one more question, and I really don't know. What's the ngo? Hey, what is it, bro?

[God Logic]

Hey, look, man, I'm gonna tell you what. We've been asking this question for years now. We still, to this day, to this day, we don't know what this is. Jail is, man. So, you know, we trying to figure it out, man. Maybe we can ask some Muslims to come engage with us until.

[Bryce Crawford]

Okay, explain for people that don't, which, by the way, I'm gonna link all his stuff in the description because it's so valuable and so good. And he's talking to everybody other than Muslims. He's talking to the atheist, the Mormon, the Hebrew Israelite. Like, yeah, our audience ate up our Hebrew Israelite video. And I thought I just did average. Like, I was like, I did an average job. You know, I'm also white, so give me, like, a lot of talking time. But your Hebrew Israelite videos are phenomenal.

[God Logic]

Thank you, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

So you guys gotta go check them out. But for people listening, yeah, we're talking about Islam again. What is the ngo? Why do you keep bringing it up in these conversations?

[God Logic]

Excellent question, bro. I'm glad you asked this, because this is super important for everyone. Almost forgot, dude. That's your thing, bro. That's your. Yeah, yeah. So, guys, so there's this, what we call the Islamic dilemma, okay? It's. It's. It's. It's where you go. You got two paths, and regardless of which path you go, Islam is false. And here is how it goes. When you open the Quran, it talks about how it confirms the Torah and the Gospel, okay? That the Bible is true. That's what it talks about our scriptures all the time. As a matter of fact, my favorite verse, chapter 10, verse 94, it says, talking to Muhammad, if you are in doubt about that which we have revealed to you. Talking about the Quran, if you're in doubt about the Quran, then go and ask those who have been reading the scripture before you. So literally God, the God of the Quran, tells Muhammad, if you're doubting what I'm saying, go to the Bible. Go check the previous scriptures if you're to. To clear up your doubts that you might have the Quran. So that's a verse that says that our Bible is the authority. It's the verifier of whether your Quran is telling the truth. Or not, you got to come to us, right?

[Bryce Crawford]

Yeah.

[God Logic]

So now they don't like that. They wish Allah never said that. So here's the dilemma. The fact is, is that they wish Allah never said.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard, man.

[God Logic]

They be like, man, why you have to say this? Man, why you had to say nothing else? So, so, so you have this. Statements like this, right? Another. Another one. 568, chapter 5, verse 68 of the Quran, say to the people of the book, the Jews and Christians, you have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah and the gospel and all that's been revealed to you from your Lord. So according to the Quran, we don't have a foundation unless we stand on the Bible, the Torah and the Gospel and the Psalms, right? So this is how the Quran talks about our scriptures. Here's the problem. So the Quran says our scriptures are true while at the same time it contradicts our scriptures, says Jesus isn't the Son of God, wasn't crucified, God is not our, our heavenly father. Right? Stuff like that. So it contradicts our scriptures in many ways. So the Quran is saying that the Bible is true while at the same time contradicting the Bible. So if the Bible is true, then the Quran is false for contradicting it. That's part one of the dilemma. But you'll get your, your Muslims that say, oh, well, the Bible's corrupted. Okay, fine, if the Bible's corrupted, then the Quran is still false because it's saying that a corrupted book is true.

[Bryce Crawford]

Whoa.

[God Logic]

Whichever way you go with it, if Bible good, then Quran is false, if Bible bad, then the Quran's still false. You know, that's the Islamic dilemma. So what the Muslims will tell us, they'll say, we believe in the original Torah and Gospel. The word for gospel in the Arabic for them is injeel. Okay? We believe in the original Torah and the original ngo, the original gospel. Right? What you have is not it. What you have is not the ngo. It's not the. It's not the gospel. So I'm like, okay, so if you know that what I have is not the gospel, that must mean that you know what it is then. So what is it? What is the ngo? It's not. Which is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Okay, thank you. Thank you for telling me what it's not. Tell me what it is. What is it? It's the revelation given to Jesus. What was that? What did he say? What was in it? It Was a revelation. We don't know. We don't have it anymore. Oh, okay, so you don't know what the angel is, so then you can't tell me what it's not. How do you know that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, what they wrote is not the ngo? How do you know? You don't. Oh, because it's written in Greek. It's not written in Arabic, by the way. The word angel is not an Arabic word. It's a Greek word word. It comes from the Greek word Evangelion. So it's. It's a derivative of that. Yes. So injeel is a Greek word. So the question is, why is Allah calling the revelation of Jesus by a Greek term? Why? You tell me. He didn't speak Greek then, according to you, what did he speak? He spoke Aramaic. How do you know? How you know Jesus spoke Aramaic? You got to come to the Bible for that. You got to come to this Greek ngo, this Greek gospel by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to tell you what language Jesus spoke. Folk, everything that you know about Jesus comes from us. But at the same time, you're denying what we have. So tell me what the angel is.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's gangster.

[God Logic]

Yeah. I love it.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is gangster.

[God Logic]

You make me want to go live right now talking about it, bro.

[Bryce Crawford]

That is so encouraging, man.

[God Logic]

Yeah, man.

[Bryce Crawford]

If you could encourage everyone watching and listening out there with one thing.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

What would you encourage them with?

[God Logic]

You got the truth. You got the truth. Be confident in. In what you have because you have the truth. There's always answers. Humility comes first. Stay humble. Do not be afraid to say, you know what? I don't know. Let me look into that, okay? Because God says in. In Isaiah, chapter one, he says, come, let us reason together. God invites your questions. He invites whatever doubts you might have. Come to him and seek him, and he's going to answer you. He did it for me. He did it for Bryce. He did it for billions of others. He can do it for you. So never let go.

[Bryce Crawford]

That's encouraging.

[God Logic]

Yeah.

[Bryce Crawford]

Would you pray for us to close, man?

[God Logic]

Of course, man. Let's go, bro. Father God, we thank you. We thank you for this fellowship. We thank you for this connection. We thank you for bringing us all together. Lord, we pray for the listeners. We pray that you open their ears, you open their hearts so that they gain understanding, that they gain wisdom. For the ones who do not yet believe, but maybe have a doubt, Lord God. Maybe they want to believe, Lord. Help their unbelief. Help them to open up their hearts to you open, open up up their ears to hear your voice so that they can recognize that they are your sheep and so that they can follow you with confidence, with perseverance, with long suffering. Lord God, and we pray this in the mighty name of Jesus that you touch every listener in their hearts, in their minds, in their walk. And let our words carry with power, Lord, carry with truth and carry with love that they see you in our words, that they see you in our actions, and that we exemplify. Christ, you are the risen Lord Jesus, you are our king, our Messiah, our God, our Savior, and there's none like you. And let your truth be known to everyone who does not believe in the Gospel. In Jesus name we pray this. Amen.

[Bryce Crawford]

Amen. Guys, thank you so much for watching and listening to this episode. If you guys like it, subscribe to us on YouTube, follow us on Spotify, Instagram, and Tick Tock. Bless you guys and see you guys next week for the next episode. Boxes were all filled with gifts, big and small. But sharing pure love is the greatest gift of all. Stay cozy my people, and have a Boss year.

[God Logic]

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