Victoria Sinners (2:12)

Yeah, definitely. So as you said, my name is Victoria Sinners, 27, born and raised in Melbourne. Little fun fact for people. Even more of a fun fact. I'm technically not Australian, so my dad was born in Greece and my mum was born in Manchester. So yeah, so I love it. I was saying to you before I'm nerding out that you guys are here because Melbourne's just the best. But yeah, my background is I actually used to help run one of the biggest only fans agencies in Australia. And so we're working in that agency is where I basically saw the reality of this glamorized industry. I saw exactly what was going on and through that I had a very radical encounter with Jesus that changed my life in five days. And that was two years ago now. So.

Bryce Crawford (2:53)

Wow. How long were you working in that agency for?

Victoria Sinners (2:56)

So I was in the agency, it was a startup, so it was actually one of my like best friends that started it from the beginning, so about eight months unofficially as we were building it. Anyone who's been in startup world knows that you have no money so you're building it and then officially on the books. I lasted about four weeks because I saw what was happening and I had to leave.

Bryce Crawford (3:17)

Dang. So you really didn't work that long on it? Okay, now beforehand, did you have like any experience in that kind of, I don't know, the scene? Like I kind of rope that only fan scene kind of into the, the porn scene, the, the. Even the club scene. Even. Like, is that, were you ever in that scene at all prior? Is that how you got into that? Or your friend was just like, hey, I want to try to make some money?

Victoria Sinners (3:41)

Yeah, well, how I got into it is my background's in business.

Bryce Crawford (3:44)

Okay.

Victoria Sinners (3:45)

So I've always been in startups and marketing and sales and all of that. And what happened is I was helping one of my other friends in their hospitality businesses and we were working like stupid hours, like 100 hour work weeks for like. Yeah, like months on end. Yeah, I was in hustle culture. Like I thought I was so elite for like working these hours and everyone was a loser because I couldn't keep up with me. Like that was my life. And so what happened is I got to a point where I'm like, I'm exhausted, like I can't do this anymore. I need a holiday. And so I went overseas. I went to Europe for a month. And when I was in Europe, I had another friend say that they wanted to start this thing called an agency. And why they wanted to start the agency is at the time, some of their really close friends were some of our biggest creators here in Australia. Some of them were Dan Bilzerians girls. I know that you just spoke with them. Yeah. So very big here and in the US and they were complaining about their agency. And so my friend, her educational background was. She was an ex criminal defense lawyer. So very smart person. And they were like, well, I have an exceptional background. We have girls that are in the industry. Why don't we get Vic involved? Because she actually knows about business. And we're going to have this, like, girl power, like, amazing agency.

Bryce Crawford (4:57)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (4:58)

So that's when I came back. They approached me, asked if I wanted to build this, and I was like, I can't do hospitality anymore. Like, I'm done. So my lens was like, this just seems like a great opportunity. I'd heard of Only Fans, but, like, I didn't really know what it was. I thought it was just like, where you can sell feet and, like, make a bunch of money.

Bryce Crawford (5:14)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (5:15)

And so that was kind of how I got into all of this.

Bryce Crawford (5:17)

Whoa. Wow, that's so interesting. Yeah. I think, like. Well, I got a couple of different thoughts running in my brain right now. But you said you only lasted four weeks in this. Now, before you kind of go down this rabbit hole just for people that don't know, can you explain what an Only Fans agency is? So that people.

Victoria Sinners (5:35)

Yeah, totally. And I think it is good to say the context. So for the first eight, I was doing all the marketing. And I'll explain what that is. It was account management. That's when I jumped on the back end, and that's when I really saw what we were doing. And that's when I was like, this is not what I thought it was.

Bryce Crawford (5:49)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (5:50)

So for anyone that maybe even doesn't understand what Only Fans is, I think it's appropriate to, like, set the context. Only Fans is a new iteration of pornography that we have in our generation. But we've never had kind of this phenomenon where it's idolized and encouraged. And so now people are like, an Only Fans content creator. It's like, what does that even mean? Well, it means you're a porn star. And I think that's really important for people to understand what we're talking about. And so what comes from that is, if we put like, our business brains on if on OnlyFans, the main allure is instant messaging, right?

Bryce Crawford (6:25)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (6:26)

And so if you're this Only Fans girl and you have hundreds of thousands of followers on your Instagram and you're being like, hey, guys, come talk to me on Only Fans in the dms. Well, you can't logistically be replying to hundreds of thousands of people potentially, Right?

Bryce Crawford (6:39)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (6:39)

So that's where agencies come in. So the main role of an agency is to pretend to be the girl on their behalf. To make money is to market the girl, to be able to bring in subscribers, and then to recruit girls to come onto the agency as well. And they take a percentage of it.

Bryce Crawford (6:53)

Wow. Now, so when you guys had creators come on, like, at the time, because I'm thinking about stuff that we've encountered in la, was it made clear to the people that, that at the time when you were working for them, that you guys were bringing on, like, hey, it's going to be only fans, like, kind of like, you know, it's. It's going to be a little seductive and more porn stuff. Or is it. Was it just like, hey, we're going to sell exclusive content? And then the rabbit hole slowly started to unfold. What was that like?

Victoria Sinners (7:21)

Yeah. So what I think is really interesting, I call it manufactured consent, because it's like, is it really consent if you don't know the full picture? So when we were doing the onboarding process of you have a brand new girl, we have this thing called a questionnaire. And you do the questionnaire because you're trying to get as much information as possible. And so in that we have this thing called levels. This is at the specific agency I was at. And so it's what level of content are you comfortable doing? So level one at the time was Instagram content. Bikini and lingerie.

Bryce Crawford (7:50)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (7:50)

Level two was implied nudity. Level three, full nudity. Level four. I'm sorry for the language, but was everything. But. And then level five was everything.

Bryce Crawford (7:58)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (7:59)

And so what that does psychologically to a girl is, is if you tick level one. Oh, does that mean to make money I have to get to level five? Does that mean that am I starting at the bottom? And this is the ladder. Right. And then even as time went on, we had realized I was the one that came up with this idea. I was like, let's get rid of level one because it doesn't make us money. All the girls that do Instagram content, they're Making the least. So then now already you might have that lens, being a newly recruited girl. Oh, I'm just comfortable with like cute pics or whatever. Right. But then now level one is implied nud. And then you're still seeing this kind of process of escalation.

Bryce Crawford (8:38)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (8:39)

And the culture behind the scenes is, oh, she's complaining that she makes no money. Well, check her level. What does she expect? She's only a level two. So then you kind of encourage, well, why don't you collaborate with this person? Why don't you do this so you're not hard manipulating them, being like, you have to do level five. You're softly doing it. Yeah, babe, go. She's really doing well on her only fans. Let's get a content day going. Let's get you with her. And then before you know it, you're at level five and you didn't even realize that you were.

Bryce Crawford (9:06)

Whoa. Yeah, yeah. And. And at least in America, like what we've seen, because when I, when I moved to la, we started a Bible study. And at the Bible study we had like a lot of people. It's basically we, we started this Bible study, me and a few friends. And it was for people that were in the social media space, whatever it may be, like where they were creators, musicians, actors, whatever, and no phones. And it was just we preach and then Florida questions. And a lot of the people that started coming in the beginning weren't Christian. It was very awesome, safe space. We had a lot of people that were coming that were in the only fan space or we had like social media creators that were coming who were popular, creators that just were searching for hope. And then as it started going by, we had people that were coming, getting encountered by Jesus that would leave it and start following Jesus. But then we saw the contrary of people that were on this borderline of going, going, my career is failing. I'm losing money. Because what was happening was people would make a lot of money like in, in like 2018, 2019, on social media. And so because their money increased, their lifestyle had to increase. But then when I moved to la, it was like everything was plateauing. So people were like, well, my money's decreasing, but I can't decrease my lifestyle because that's going to look bad. I need to keep increasing my lifestyle. So that means I need to make more money. So OnlyFans was a big thing. There's a big agency out there that in L. A called Creators Inc. That like gets a lot of creators. Nala was that, oh, she yeah, she was at Creators Inc. And. And so, like. Yeah, so that was kind of like what was going on. But what was interesting was that there were some girls that would come and they would say, yeah, like, it just started out like that. It started out as like, oh, I'm going to post a bikini picture or whatever. And then before they knew it, they were being pimped out on escorted dates with men and had experienced deep trauma. And so. And it's. And they were just like, I don't know how I got here. And it's so interesting. But then, on the contrary, we see so many people that turn to it for the sake of money, which is. Which is so sad. So I think it's very interesting that you brought that up and you only did it for four weeks, the account management stuff.

Victoria Sinners (11:22)

So marketing was eight months. So the difference in that is if you. Again, like, business brains. And there's no internal promotional system on OnlyFans. Right. You don't have a for you page or anything. So how do you get subscribers? We have to promote it externally. So that was my role. My role was to build the marketing division so to make girls go as viral as possible as quickly as possible, to put men into funneling systems to lead them to a porn platform. So that's what I was doing. So that's why I've been able to see firsthand the magnitude of this. Like, we were getting literally on, like, fresh TikTok accounts, girls to, like, 2.2 million views in seven days on videos like, insane, like Reach. And so that's where I started to see that this is so much bigger. It's a culture that's being inaugurated and inundated with this. I saw what it's doing to men, like, all. All of that of like, whoa. If this is just one agency in Australia that's getting girls millions of views on one account, and we were getting girls to make anywhere from three to five Tik Tok accounts and post 20 videos per day. So, like, a massive amount of content just on TikTok. Then you've got Instagram, you have Reddit, Twitter, Snapchat, dating apps, like, all of this. I'm like, oh, my gosh, we're doing thousands of, like, pieces of content. Imagine globally what is happening.

Bryce Crawford (12:40)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (12:40)

So that's what I got to see firsthand. But then account management was when I actually went onto the back end and started reading all the conversations. I had to manage the accounts, talk to the Chatters and be the middleman between the Chatters and the Girls and the subscribers.

Bryce Crawford (12:54)

Whoa. And what. What gate. What put you in that position? If you're. Because they approached you and they were like, oh, you're good at marketing. You're a great business person. So why did they transition you from what you were skilled at to becoming the account manager? What. Where does that come from?

Victoria Sinners (13:08)

Again, the whole point of an agency is to impersonate being the girl, right?

Bryce Crawford (13:11)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (13:11)

So if I'm over here as the account. I'm sorry, as the marketing, doing all the marketing, and the only fans. Account managers over here. But you're a subscriber and you're talking to the girl on Instagram, and then you're talking to her on OnlyFans as management. If we're not communicating, people started to see holes in our story and they started to ask questions. So that's when we're like, oh, we have to change the internal structure of the business, split the girls in half. So you do less, but now you do the full lifecycle. So that's how I got into account management.

Bryce Crawford (13:38)

Whoa.

Victoria Sinners (13:38)

Yeah. Wow.

Bryce Crawford (13:39)

And how much money were some of these girls making every month?

Victoria Sinners (13:43)

Like, yeah, it's an interesting one. Here's the thing that I. Like, I have a thing about this question, and it's because I think that people can get blinded by the fact that, statistically speaking, it's an average wage of $180 a month. So realistically, no one's making a lot of money. And I just recently saw that in the end of 2025, there's 4 million content creators on OnlyFans and only 300 make more than a million a year.

Bryce Crawford (14:11)

Whoa.

Victoria Sinners (14:11)

So it's a very small amount of people that are making a lot of money. And so that's what I'm like, I think needs to be emphasized more than the small amount of people that made a lot of money.

Bryce Crawford (14:21)

Interesting.

Victoria Sinners (14:22)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (14:22)

And, dude. And when you said that the girls, they got a wage, is that correct? So there was, like, a flat rate that the girls were getting paid for all this other stuff. Because to my knowledge, what I understand about, like, only Fans is, for example, like, the messaging thing. Don't you have to pay to send messages, like, on top of the subscription? Like, so it's just like a rabbit hole of making more money. It's like a funnel.

Victoria Sinners (14:46)

Yes. Like, yes and no. Again, think about it. Like, yes. So you can have a paid account and a free account. If you have a paid account, then it's like, pay 12 to subscribe to my only fans, and maybe we'll put free content up, but then in the messaging you have this thing called a pay per view. So you're sending out multiple pay per views of pornographic content or it's custom requests. So that's where most of the money is made. And so what like you have to think of as well is that there's two ways you go about making money in this. So you either have a high volume of people coming in and you're pumping through the same content to make a lot of money. But think about how much like how many people you're going to have to have. And on only fans, you're not charging realistically thousands and thousands of dollars for content. Or you have a small group of really loyal subscribers and you're nurturing relationships. You're giving like we would train our chatters in the girlfriend experience. How do you trick these guys into believing that they're in a relationship and then through custom requests. That's where you get the big money. Whoa. Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (15:47)

And what, what was like the, the age and gender demographic largely of most of the people that were subscribed.

Victoria Sinners (15:53)

Well, that's what I think is the most cooked thing is you don't know because they're anonymous. So you don't know who you're talking with because they have a fake profile, they have a different name, they don't show you pictures. So you have no idea who these subscribers are.

Bryce Crawford (16:07)

Interesting.

Victoria Sinners (16:08)

From what I've learned from like just statistics, supposedly the like average is like 20. I think it's like 18 to 35 year old white men that are married. I saw a study that 80 of subscribers on OnlyFans are married men, which is insane. Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (16:23)

That is awful. Yeah. And I love how you hinted on at the beginning that only fans is encouraged pornography, encouraged sexual exploitation. Because it is and it's, and it's sickening. Sex sells nowadays and it's everywhere. Tik Tok, Instagram, Snapchat. It's like the only thing that works for Clickbait on Snapchat or the only videos that go viral or this and that. It's all sexual stuff. What? And you could call it soft porn or whatever you want to call it. No matter what it is, it's sex and it sells and only fans is baking it in. It's. It's really sad and unfortunate. What's the mental toll that takes on not just, not just you obviously, but these girls and that are involved in it.

Victoria Sinners (17:05)

Yeah. I like to put it this way. I think that people think that like the traditional sexual Exploitation industry is here and only fans is here, but they're actually the exact same thing. So it was quite interesting. I was on a call with a girl in the States who works in activism about a month ago, and she was speaking with an FBI agent who's helping a lot of women out of only fans. And he said that he sees that women who have been exploited digitally, only fans, and all these things are actually more vulnerable than the physical exploitation women. And it's because when you're physically exploited, you can't. There's people in the room. Right. To exploit you. So what you want is solitude and there's a bit of peace in that, right?

Bryce Crawford (17:41)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (17:42)

Well, imagine being in a room and no one's in there and you're getting exploited. How much does that cook you?

Bryce Crawford (17:46)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (17:47)

And so what I started to see and what I have seen, the mental health of my friends when I was in the agency. Horrific.

Bryce Crawford (17:54)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (17:54)

Like, just to put it bluntly, it was so sad. They thought, this is all they're good for. They can't do anything else. Verbatim would tell me that drugs, alcohol, all the things you can think of, a lot of them had, you know, come from poorer homes, been sexually abused, all the same type of things that you see.

Bryce Crawford (18:11)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (18:11)

And then my friends that have come out of OnlyFans, so same things of the paranoia, of the shame, of struggling to get a job, of deep trauma again. I'm hoping that I'm like painting the picture for people. It's actually the exact same thing, but for some reason we just don't legitimize it for people. Wow. Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (18:28)

And so tell, tell me about your transition. Out of. You did the eight month marketing, the four weeks of account management, and then you were like, I can't do this. You have this encounter with Jesus. Tell me a little bit about that.

Victoria Sinners (18:40)

Yeah. So. Oh my gosh. Favorite story ever. So what happened for me is again, working this job and my lens was this is elite. Like we're hanging out with the rich and the famous, we're throwing like legitimate parties, multi million dollar mansions, like all the things, the cars, the yachts, the dinners, like all of that. Right. So what comes with that is the lifestyle of drugs and alcohol.

Bryce Crawford (19:03)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (19:03)

Now, just for the context of this, I got introduced to cocaine at 13, and so I was 25 at this point. Yeah. So drugs out of control, drinking's out of control, but this is the life. Right. And what ended up happening when I jumped onto the back end of OnlyFans is I went, oh, My gosh, wait a minute. This is what we're doing. And I'm starting to see all of this porn. And it's girls that I've now made friendships with.

Bryce Crawford (19:29)

Right.

Victoria Sinners (19:29)

For these past couple months. And I'm like, this isn't what I thought it was. Yeah. And it just started to devastate me. I'm like, that girl's really smart. That girl's really funny. That girl has excellent family values. That goes hilarious. Like, I still think of these girls every single time I say this. Like, this one girl, if you're in the room with her for two seconds, you'd be in tears of laughter, like, hilarious. And I'd go, and this is what we're telling them to do. These are the dreams that we're telling them to dream. And so I had that. And then I've also personally never been a consumer of porn. So imagine I'm seeing porn for the first time.

Bryce Crawford (20:02)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (20:02)

And it's my friends, and I'm just malfunctioning. I'm crying every day. I can't do this job. But I'm weirdly being, like, gaslit because the whole world is telling me that this is the pinnacle of success. This is like the most elite thing you can do. Right. And so I just went on this journey. I was like, okay, drugs aren't working anymore. I'm staying awake for days on end. Nothing's numbing me out. I don't feel good. What can I do to feel better?

Bryce Crawford (20:26)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (20:27)

And that's when I was like, oh, I know. I had this genius idea. I was like, I'll do a big enough act of good and that'll offset all the bad. And so I'm like, what's a big enough act of good? And I'm like, I'll go overseas and help refugees. Like, that's dramatic enough. And I was like, how the heck do I help refugees? And I had this random memory that, as I said, I was 25 at the time and I hadn't been to church since I was like 8. Very limited experience at church. Don't really remember much from it, but I had this memory that that church I went to as a kid had this, like, refugee program.

Bryce Crawford (20:59)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (20:59)

So I was like, sick. I'll Google the church. I'll sign up for the refugee program. So that's what I do. And I get a call a week later from this young adults pastor. And this story gets more crazy the longer I'm a Christian because I find out more. So where what ended up happening is that outreach application never went to the outreach department, but instead, the young adults pastor got an email and I got to see it months later, and it said, victoria wants to reach out to the church. Here's her number. Call her. So that's why she was calling me.

Bryce Crawford (21:28)

Whoa.

Victoria Sinners (21:29)

Isn't that cool?

Bryce Crawford (21:30)

That's so cool.

Victoria Sinners (21:30)

Yeah. And then I was volunteering a couple months ago at a coffee shop, and I'm sharing my testimony with one of the people there, and they're like, oh, what church? Because they're from Melbourne. And they said, vic, do you know that I was emailing that church for a year and I never got a response. The fact that you got one within seven days is insane.

Bryce Crawford (21:46)

Whoa.

Victoria Sinners (21:46)

And I went, wait, are you serious? Like, are you lying to me? And she goes, no. Like, I had been trying to get in touch with that church for a year and never got a response. Wow. So I was like, whoa. Like, it just gets cooler and cooler. And so, yeah, this young adults pastor calls me and goes, hey, I heard you want to come down to church. Can I invite you to come down this Thursday? So I thought it was like the vetting process of what, like, Christians did. Like, I had no idea what it was. And so, dude, I remember rocking up to this church on a Thursday, and I still remember, like sitting in the car and being like, I can't go in there. Like, I'm such a bad person. Like, I'll burst into flames if I walk in there. And I remember just like sitting there, like, wrestling with myself. But I just had this like, inner thing. I believe that it's God now, but I didn't know that at the time. And it was just like, there's someone in there and they're waiting for you. Just go in. So I went in and I just word vomited for hours to this young adults pastor. And like, I think you can get my personality and I'll find out. Like, so imagine this. But more unhinged of like, I sell porn. Everyone tells me it's good, but it's kind of bad. Like, I don't know, do.

Bryce Crawford (22:47)

It's the first time you've ever said anything. Probably it's like in like a vulnerable, like, I feel bad for what I'm doing kind of. Yeah, I can't even imagine that. Probably felt so good to like, let that off your chest in that moment.

Victoria Sinners (22:59)

It didn't. It didn't. It was. This is where I'm so grateful that this has been my, my first experience in the church. This woman didn't do what I thought Christians would do. She didn't judge me, she didn't condemn me. I didn't even remember her giving me like a Jesus Spielberg. Like, she just goes, I really would love to invite you to come to church this weekend. We have a guest speaker who's speaking and I think you'll really resonate with them. So I was like, okay, sure. So I rock up to church on the Sunday I dragged my parents along. And the guest speaker in church is talking about only fans. Whoa. Yeah, it was sick. So this lady literally has been in activism for like 40 years. She travels all around Australia going into schools. So she sees firsthand what this over sexualized culture is doing to our young people. So she's talking about only fans and the dangers and the reality and all of this. And you can imagine I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, this is crazy. Like, for me, it felt like I know that I'm not insane. Like, what we are doing is wrong. This is bad. And there was one very specific moment where she goes, christians are supposed to be the salt and the light of the earth and they have failed and we are destroying the next generation. And that's when something in my heart just clicked and I was like, oh my gosh. It just felt again like. Like yes. Like I'm not insane.

Bryce Crawford (24:16)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (24:17)

So she finished speaking. I'm like in the balcony, like at the back. But I literally run down to her and I go up to her and I say, hi, my name's Victoria. I work for an only fans agency and I hate myself. And like, again, didn't do what I thought Christians would do. Like, you're gonna burn in hell or anything.

Bryce Crawford (24:33)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (24:34)

She just goes, would you like to have lunch with me? And this beautiful woman sat with me for hours and just answered all my questions. Ethical porn, positive liberating, girl power. Like, all the things, right? And I really appreciated that. Like, there was never once I never felt like a pet project to convert. I was just a human, you know what I mean? And I say this to people to say. Like, I never did like a salvation prayer that day. No one. I don't even remember anyone preaching Jesus to me. But I left that day. And I have the very crystal clear thought in my mind that I went, I don't know what this Jesus thing is, but I have to follow it with all my heart. So in five days, I quit the agency. I walked away from a 13 year friendship, another business I was building. I walked away from everything. Eight Weeks later, I'm sober, I'm baptized. And then eight months later is when I was in America on my first tour. And that's what I've been doing ever since for the past two years.

Bryce Crawford (25:26)

Praise God.

Victoria Sinners (25:27)

That's incredible. Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (25:29)

So cool. And now, did you. When you left that agency five days later, you said eight weeks after that you were sober, baptized, and then after that, how long until you went on that first tour?

Victoria Sinners (25:42)

Eight months.

Bryce Crawford (25:43)

Eight months. So did you experience any guilt and shame for that four weeks you did the account management, maybe even prior the marketing for the only fans. Did you experience any guilt and shame? And if so, how did you deal with that?

Victoria Sinners (25:59)

Yeah, I think the beautiful thing of what the Lord did for me during that time was like, of course, like, I think any human would. I had so much guilt and shame while doing it. I think for me, leaving the agency, I. That internal wrestle of like, this doesn't feel good. I don't think this is good. But the world's telling me it is that level of feeling insane when. And I felt so much, like, relief of, like, oh, my gosh, like, I'm not the problem, in a sense, to be honest with you. And over that period of time, like, God just did things that I didn't understand until I read the Bible were things. So during that period of time, kind of all my friends went to Europe and I was like, in solitude, I guess you could say. I had no friends. I had nothing. No one.

Bryce Crawford (26:46)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (26:47)

And I remember I would get like these weird things and I would go, I think I have to go away and, like, not eat for a day. And now I know that's fasting, but I didn't know that at the time. And so I would. I remember I booked to go down to this place called Apollo Bay, and I didn't eat for 24 hours. And I was like, Jesus is going to give me my destiny. He's going to tell me everything. Right. And I'm going to have a plan and I'm going to do it.

Bryce Crawford (27:08)

And this was just an unction that you felt like a leading of the Holy Spirit.

Victoria Sinners (27:12)

Yeah, like, I have so many. Like, the whole story of that and then how America happened is like the craziest thing.

Bryce Crawford (27:19)

And you didn't even know what fasting was prior to that.

Victoria Sinners (27:21)

I never even read the Bible.

Bryce Crawford (27:22)

Wow. Yeah, like, so fascinating to me.

Victoria Sinners (27:24)

It was so cool. It was just like this thing that I knew that I knew that I had to do and so went away at this little hotel by the beach in Apollo Bay, for those who know it. And I remember sitting there being like, okay, cool, tell me my destiny. And I didn't get anything. And so I was like, okay, what, what do I do? And it just felt again, this thing to write down every single traumatic thing that has ever happened in my life. And I've had a crazy life. Like that scar. I survived a murder attempt. I've had a wild life. Yeah. Like, before Jesus, my life has been insanity. And I just felt like I'm supposed to write down all the bad things that have ever happened to me. So I write them down, but down to the thought level. Even friends that I was jealous of, like the. The most horrible essence of who I am, I just felt to write it all down. So I. I still have that journal, pages of it. And then I went, okay, what now? And then I'm sitting there. I brought like five Bibles. I don't know. I didn't know what to do. I had no idea. But then again, I just had this feeling. And I've heard of this movie, but I've never seen it. I had no idea what it was. And it was, go watch the Passion of the Christ. And I didn't even have a streaming cert. Like, I didn't. So I just downloaded a streaming service on my phone and I start watching this movie. And that's the first time Jesus really revealed himself to me.

Bryce Crawford (28:42)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (28:43)

And I'm on my hands and knees. I'm pausing it. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Jesus, that this happened to you. Like, heart ripped out.

Bryce Crawford (28:51)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (28:51)

And then I woke up the next morning and I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I think I need to get baptized. And I. I didn't know what baptism was until about maybe six months after I got baptized. I don't recommend that, but I know where I had no concept of what it was. And then that morning, I went into my church's website and they had baptisms. And so I booked in to get baptized. And so it's just these little things as I went on that I just. I just knew that I knew that I had to do them. And then as I read the Bible, I got the context for what those things were.

Bryce Crawford (29:22)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (29:22)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (29:23)

Well, we're going to come back to the fact that you just skipped over that you survived a whole murder attempt. We're totally going to come back to that in a little bit because I'm. That is absolutely wild to me.

Victoria Sinners (29:33)

I don't think favorite Jesus stories I

Bryce Crawford (29:35)

Don't think we can skip over that. So we'll talk about that in a second. You know something that you mentioned earlier that I think is so interesting on the account management side of OnlyFans, you were talking about how the goal was to build a parasocial relationship with the people that were paying for the OnlyFans subscription, which I think is so interesting because I can't imagine. I mean, right now that's what social media kind of does with people, right? You have people who get famous on social media and you build a parasocial relationship with them. So then when you encounter them in person, you think you're like best friends with them, but they really don't know who you are. And then it's like, kind of awkward. I can't imagine pairing that psychology with sexual sin. I can't imagine that. That's got to be absolutely unreal because porn in itself. I got exploited pornography in the fifth grade. And I was addicted to pornography until the day I got saved. Have not watched porn since that day. Praise Jesus, set me free from that. And you never forget how you're introduced to a drug. It's a straight drug. It really is. And I can't imagine combining pornography with the psychology of parasocial relationship. I mean, that's gotta be extremely damaging to. I can't. Yeah, I just can't even imagine it. That's. That's awful.

Victoria Sinners (30:53)

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I have so much to say about that. I literally. Two things I'll say. The first one, I still have the same phone from when I worked at the agency. And I was looking through messages the other week with our chatters. And one of the chatters literally write, I had to gaslight a fan into buying stuff because my sales were low for the day. Yeah, what? Like, I can show you the message when we're done. Like. And this is why I have such a heart for men in this. One of my friends is an org in Texas called Demand Disruption that I do work with. And he put it so beautifully. He goes, men aren't necessarily the consumers, in a sense, they're the ones being consumed by a multi billion dollar porn industry. And so this. Don't hear what I'm not saying. It does not neg accountability at all. But there is a multi billion dollar industry that literally is so sophisticated in targeting men. So what we would do to be able to law men. And I don't know if you can relate to this, but a lot of men, when I have these conversations, I'm like, Do you feel like you were just kind of scrolling and then before you knew it, you were just on a porn platform and you have no idea how you got there? And they're like, yeah. Whoa. And a lot of men will be like, I don't know what happened? And then before you knew it, I was watching this and I was doing this. I was like, that's intentional. That's not a mistake. So we had hired a guy who would study algorithms, and every single day he would send us these very specific curated videos. Highly provocative, very suggestive, with trending sounds, trending skits, trending hashtags, everything you can imagine. And that's what we're sending to the girls to do. You know, up to 20 unique videos of every day. And an example I give of this is imagine if one of the ones that was trending at the time was like a big massive mirror. And like, you know, the little compact mirrors that like women. Yeah. So imagine you've got this huge mirror, but then you've got all these little compact ones, and you have this super sexualized song playing in the background, and it's just scanning all these little mirrors, right? And then the little caption says, did you see it? Did I see it? Did I see what? What am I supposed to see? And so you keep watching it and watching it and watching it, and then before you know it, there's a girl in lingerie in one of the tiny little mirrors. And then you're hooked. And then you're on the TikTok account, then you're on the Instagram, then you're in the Lincoln bio. Then before you know it, you're at the only fans. Then what happens? This parasocial thing right now, you're so revved up, you're so charged. You have these chatters that are trained in the girlfriend experience, not in the sexual experience. So what does that do? It makes a man feel seen, loved. You pair that with the shame, right? Because a lot of men, after they watch porn, like, you feel shame. You're like, oh, did I just do that? Like, that's so gross. So where am I going to keep going? Back to the place where I don't feel judged.

Bryce Crawford (33:30)

So with the chatters that are. That are. That are acting like the girlfriend, not the sexual. Because I thought that was very interesting. You said that they want to feel comforted after the shame. Would the chatters comfort the people after?

Victoria Sinners (33:42)

There's no rules, Bryce. Like, think about it. These aren't like, this is products. These aren't people and so these men. And a lot of the way that women look at this in the agency is like, well, you're using me, I'm using you. It's a power game, right? And so imagine you have these men. Hey, honey, how are you? How was your day? Oh, are you at work right now? Tell me how it is. Oh, you must be so stressed. Is there anything I can do to help? How can I make you feel better? Or like, we would have guys be like, can you just like give me like a love scenario? And we'll be like, okay, we're lying in a field holding hands, we're looking at the stars, and I look over it and it doesn't even get sexual. It's just intimacy. And these men, a craving. This is a bigger cultural conversation I think that really needs to be addressed. But these men are getting lured in to this like, comfort and this safety. And this woman cares about me. She knows me. Like, I saw a really interesting video. Our version of spring break is called Schoolies. And it was a bunch of like 17, 18 year old boys and they just seen Lily Phillips, if you're familiar with. Yeah. And they're like, oh man, we just saw Lily Phillips, blah, blah, blah. And the guy goes, do you think she actually cares about you? Do you think she knows who you are? Oh yeah, she knows who I am. Look, she kissed me on the cheek. Don't worry, she knows who I am. And I'm like, bro, she has no idea who you are. She doesn't care about you. And I think that that's the lie. Right. That we're trying to lead men into.

Bryce Crawford (35:10)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (35:10)

Is they know you, they see you, they care for you, they love you. And that's what keeps them coming back.

Bryce Crawford (35:16)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (35:16)

For this weird intimate relationship.

Bryce Crawford (35:19)

Now what about like those scenarios like we're thinking about like the people who are leading the porn industry, the only fans industry, the ones that are outspoken to me. Oh, I love it. I love this. This isn't that like, I've seen comments that quite a few people have made, whether they're in the onlyfans scene or the porn. I mean, it's all the same really. But they're, you know, talking about how much I love it. Have they just convinced themselves that they loved it? Or do you think they're just saying that to hide a. Hide a mask? Is there too deep in it? I mean, what do you think that is?

Victoria Sinners (35:48)

Yeah, I think you. How, like, how could you. It doesn't make sense. Imagine like, yeah, guys, like, I really don't like doing this. It actually makes me feel really trash. It gives me a lot of anxiety. I'm super paranoid when I go out. Like, I don't know who's seen my porn, but come talk to me on Only Fans. Yeah, no one's gonna do that. And so of course you're going to present this lifestyle and imagine for the girls as well, that you're like, okay, I'm gonna do this. Make a bunch of money. Maybe you don't. So you're gonna have to go even harder because you're like, oh, my gosh, I just put my porn on the Internet. Like, I'm. What are my other options now? I'm not gonna be able to get a normal job, so I better go hard at doing this because I'm screwed, because what else am I gonna do? So when you really humanize it and actually think about makes so much sense as to why they're gonna promote this. And a lot of people do that, don't they? When they. When they're really in shame and when they're really embarrassed about something, it's really hard to admit that and say, you know what? I am embarrassed. You try and compensate for it. And I think that's what we're seeing.

Bryce Crawford (36:49)

Wow. Yeah, it's really bad at. Yeah, it just breaks my heart. I. I think I agree with you. Right. Nail on the head. Like, only fans just become promoted. It's cool to do Only fans. I remember when I moved to LA back in 2022, I thought only fans was more of like, an LA thing. But then now I feel like it's more normalized in every state. And I know people, you know, that live in Georgia, that do it where I'm from, originally from Georgia, and it's just, like, more widespread, which is so unfortunate. What. What is going to. How do we kill this beast? How do we kill this beast of pornography and sexual exploitation and things like that?

Victoria Sinners (37:32)

Yeah, I think for me, the language I like to use is we don't need a culture shift. We need to build a new one. And I don't think that in the current culture we live in that there's other options that are championed. We're seeing it a little bit in the States with, you know, Christian influences coming out in different way of living and stuff like that. But I think that we need to make it not cool, because that's what it is. It's cool right now, isn't it? It's elite. It's bougie. It's all the different Things, it's how men view desirable women like all the stuff. And so I think that the first and most important thing, to be honest is conversations like this. Hey, this is the reality of it. The average wage is 180amonth. It's full on pornography. You're probably gonna have an agency, they can take up to 50 or I have other stories of, you know, horror stories there. Hey guys, you can jump on only fans, but you're probably talking to a chatter who is trained in how to manipulate you to make money off you. That's it. They don't care about you, they just want your money. So now you have a well informed decision to make of, well, am I going to take the risk and think that maybe it's the only fans go, or am I going to risk it jumping on to hopefully make money? And then from there it loses its appeal. But then you need another option. Well, how do we champion people to dream big dreams? How do we champion women to know, hey, this culture says that to be hot is to be sexualized. To wear little outfits to all the different things. But come have a look at what we're doing. We don't dress that way, we don't do those things. But we feel great in ourselves, we have wonderful relationships, we're healthy. So I think it's a bigger thing than just going for sake of argument, shut only fans down, shut. No, it's actually a culture issue that we have and that's what I think really needs to be tackled.

Bryce Crawford (39:10)

Wow. Yeah. Sexual sin. It's interesting how like in the Bible and scripture would say, and I think you know this too, like they label, they call sexual sin the spirit of Jezebel. You know, and Queen Jezebel was one of manipulation and control. And it seems like that is exactly what only fans is doing. It's manipulating and controlling people. Not just the people consuming it, but the people that are the victims, the ones that are being the puppets that are being exploited. And, and it's really interesting and I, and I, and I want to, I want to hit on this for a moment, but sexual sin really comes after Christians. And in, in the, in the Gospels we read about John the Baptist, he gets arrested by King Herod. I don't know if you know the story, but he's in jail. And then King Herod refused to kill John the Baptist because he was terrified. The people love John the Baptist so they were like, yo, if I kill John the Baptist, the going to revolt against me. It's going to be a bad Deal. So I'm just going to throw them in jail, leave them in there. Well, then he had a birthday party at his house and this lady did a strip tease on King Herod. And King Herod said, I'll give you anything you want up to half my kingdom. What do you want? I'll give you all the riches up to half my kingdom. What do you want? And she said, I want John the Baptist's head on a platter. Now, John the Baptist didn't fall into sexual sin, but it's very interesting to me how sexual sin tends to head hunt Christians, I believe. What's the warning or the encouragement you give to Christians to keep your guard up? Like how would you encourage in this over sensualized culture? We're glued to our phones. Like how easy is it for someone to scroll on their phone right now? And in 10 videos they probably see someone that lures them into OnlyFans. They have no idea. So what is the encouragement to Christians to just be alert or what they consume?

Victoria Sinners (40:55)

I think I have two answers. Yeah. My first one is when like for the, the hopefulness of people understanding the severity of this and you'd know more than I do. So correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been like very slowly going through Paul's letters and one of the most interesting things I find of how much he's trying to protect to the church congregation and they talk about that in acts of like, what can you do? What can't you do? Like these Gentiles and like, what are the rules? And one of the biggest ones is sexual immorality. Don't go have sex. There's things about eating, sacrifices and stuff, but then also bad theology. They're kind of the main things that can deceive believers. And I think that yes, sexual sin, it. We've seen it, man. The amount of friends that I've had even in my short time that are on fire for Jesus, they get a boyfriend or a girlfriend, they start having sex before you know what they're off. There's a deception that's involved in it. So I think it's really important for believers to understand it for themselves. Sex is not bad. I was going into schools for a little bit and we would teach little kids. God says that everything was good. But then when he made us, we're very good. That's so simple. But we need to understand that. So all of our urges, our desires, the way that our body was made, it's not bad. But we just have to understand the context of it. Right. And not have shame. Okay. You ever thought, that's okay, Jesus? I didn't like that thought. That didn't make me feel good. Please, can you take it from me? That's as crazy as it needs to get. And I think it's really important for believers to have that biblical foundation for themselves of why this is important and why this is significant. And then the other thing that I propose to a lot of young adults is I've heard everything, even from pastors that ask me questions of, like, young adults, like, oh, well, people that have been saved, they got to experience sex, and, you know, we haven't. So they know that's why. And there's like, there's such a curiosity about sex and such an allure to it. My simple thing is, you just got to think about how much does Jesus matter to you? Sit there and ponder on it, to be honest with you. Because if the thought of the separation from God and understanding the consequence of sin, for me, I'm like, bro, I will never. I don't want to touch those things.

Bryce Crawford (42:54)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (42:55)

Not because it's going to make me feel guilty, but because I'm like, I can't handle the thought of having to repent.

Bryce Crawford (43:00)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (43:00)

To be honest with you, I have a really healthy fear of that. And I think that that's something that I just want to encourage people is not to listen to another person tell you what to do. Sit there with God, ponder on that, be like, how much do I actually care about this? How important is this to me? And I think from there you can start to build your own framework of like, wow, well, you know what? If I did go have sex with that guy, if I did do something that's really not going to make me feel good, I am going to have a lot of shame about that. I understand the reason why now. So God help me to navigate how I can have a healthy relationship with you. To navigate this.

Bryce Crawford (43:30)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (43:30)

And that's just kind of what I encourage people to do. Wow.

Bryce Crawford (43:33)

I love that. I, you know, I think it's. I'm thinking specifically from, like, a male side too, on my end. Like, I think we forget two things. They would forget that self control is a fruit of the spirit. I think we do forget that. You know, it's like, I. Self control is a fruit of the spirit. There's. There's no scenario. According to Paul's letter to the church of Corinth in Second Corinthians, there's no scenario where we can't say no to Sin through the strength of the spirit of God. But I love, I love how you, you were just honing in. Sex is a beautiful thing under the confines of in covenant of marriage and according to what scripture says about it, it's a very beautiful thing. But. But porn and only fans and all this stuff is just jacking people up. It creates this fantasy too. That was something that I really had to rewire my brain on. Even though I hadn't watched porn since I became a Christian. That was something that God was really working on me within my first year on. Reframing was like reframing how what relationships were like, what sex is like. Because I had, from the fifth grade till my junior year of high school, consumed pornography on a regular basis because I had been exposed, exploited to it and it had perverted my view of what sex was and the beauty of it. So when I became a Christian, I had this perspective. Oh, sex is gross, is awful. You know, I've got to like isolate and go shave my head and be a monk, you know, like something like that. But. But really it's like, no, sex is a beautiful gift from God. And the most loving thing I can do is have self control and wait. And I'm so glad that I waited. And you know, there's so many people that haven't waited. And there's no shame in that that, you know, I think, I think it's a beautiful. It's a beautiful redemption story. To say, hey, this was one thing that I didn't understand the weight to. Now I have weight and gravity to it. I have that healthy fear of the Lord. And I love that you put that have a healthy fear of repentance. I think that's so important.

Victoria Sinners (45:26)

Yeah. I think even just like another like practical and then like a spiritual is the other thing that I hope even in people hearing this, specifically men, I think that when we can have critical analytical skills. Right. And be able. Because we've all kind of grown up in a generation that we're so consumed by social media and consumed by everything. I see it when I speak with teenagers that now that they can understand the inner workings and the inner mechanisms of this. I have traveled around the States talking with teenagers of how influenced they are by Bobhouse content, all these different girls and stuff, boys that are like, yep, I watch this and then I watch porn. All of that. Well, now you know that when you see that video, you're not going to be consumed by it. You have the critical awareness now to go, I know what that is. Yeah, I can understand that. I can choose to reject that. And I think that that's what's really important too, is the practical side of understanding that. Because it, again, it's this allure, it's this process of escalation and then before you know it. So I think that's really important for people. And then kind of what you said as well, just to kind of emphasize it, I think that people. Not in like a mean way, I don't mean this, but we do kind of make our own analysis on these things without, like, with porn and all of this. And then it's bad, it's bad, it's bad. Just seek time with Jesus. And I know every single person says that, but it could be 20 minutes, just put a timer on your phone, like, God, I really want to get to the root of this. I really want help with this. How can I navigate this? And the Lord will have a tailor made plan for you of how can you navigate this? That's what he did with me when coming out, you know, restoration of my innocence, understanding, purity, deliverance from these things as well. It was just me seeking a lot of time with Jesus to actually understand this. And I think that when we become Christian, we can very much easily fall into. I just believe it because the collective believes it, or I just say these words because, you know, Christianese language. Right. It's like its own little thing. And I think that that's something we should really champion people and encourage again is understand what this means. Understand these words. Sexual sin, sexual immorality. Sex is beautiful. It's not something. It's like, what does that mean?

Bryce Crawford (47:27)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (47:27)

So I hope that it's a curiosity and an invitation for people to be like, yeah, I'm going to put a timer on my phone for 20 minutes and sit with the Lord and be like, I struggle with this. What can I do? What scripture? How can I get help? And I think that that's really powerful for people because then you're not getting it from Bryce, you're not getting it from Vic, you're not getting it from your pastor, but you're getting it from an intimate, you know, moment with Jesus to help you.

Bryce Crawford (47:48)

Yeah, yeah. I think that you said something earlier too about accountability, which I think this is like, I'm speaking this from experience in the past. Like, and this is my encouragement to men. I can't tell you the amount of men I've ran into that have been like, hey, Bryce, I really want to stop watching porn. And we just have like a simple conversation Like a practical conversation. Okay, well like how are you watching porn? When does it happen? And it's like, oh, I scrolling late at night on my phone or whatever. And the practicals, okay, well yeah, like ask God to give you strength and, and cut those things off, but deal aggressively with it, you know. Matthew 6, if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. So I'm like, get an alarm clock, charge your phone in the other room and go. And, and I would. And this breaks. So hard to say this, but the majority of men I've talked to that I've had similar conversations with, they say, oh, I just don't feel like doing that. And it's very interesting to me how, and I, I, this is like the, the stern compassion I have for men right now is like, yes, I agree that the porn industry and only fans is head hunting men, but I also think men need to step up and take accountability for actually wanting to quit versus saying they want to quit just to like, like appease people. Because there's so many people I meet that are like, I really want to stop this. And then it's like, okay, here's the route to why you're wanting to do it. And they go, well, I just don't feel like doing it. And then that, to me that is a clear indicator that someone, oh, maybe you actually don't want to give up this porn thing. And then that, that to me as a shift makes me go, maybe you're just perception of love is warped because maybe that's why you think, because that was me. I was personally on an escape for love. I was trying to find what love was. I was escaping my problems, trying to run to things. I never did drugs or alcohol. But the thing that was attractive to porn, that was attractive to me about porn and stuff like that was because, oh well, this is what love is, right? So this is, yeah, it's like cool that, but the shame and the guilt and yeah, and I don't say that to bury people in guilt and shame. And I think you did, I think you, you get what I'm saying too. Because I don't want to come across too harsh to men, but it's just like I can't tell you the countless amount of men and maybe you haven't run into this problem, but I've run into this problem a lot where I talk to men in particular, I don't have this conversation with women. I just think it's just an inappropriate conversation for me to have with women. But men, when I Run into them. They go, yeah, I really want to stop this thing. But when it comes down to stopping it, they're like, I just don't want to do it. And that breaks my heart. Do you run into that?

Victoria Sinners (50:13)

Yeah. I think that's why I encourage the whole thing of how much does. Like, don't focus on a symptom of the root. The root, I believe, is how much do you actually care about your relationship with Jesus? Because if you. That's why I. I encourage people to ponder on that. Because if you really love the Lord. And again, don't hear what I'm not saying of, like, that doesn't mean you're a Christian. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is more like an emotional and spiritual maturity thing. Right. Of sit there and ask yourself that. Ask yourself why? Again, critical, like, analytic analysis skills, whatever you want to call it. Well, okay. I went and spoke with Bryce. He told me to put the phone out of the room. I don't really want to do that, but I do want to follow Jesus. Well, do I really care about Jesus? Do I actually think that this is important? Do I think this matters? How much do I want to follow him? Well, who's the person that I want to be? And you'll start to unravel that a little bit. And I think that's really powerful because then you can understand your why, and then you can get more clear on, well, maybe, you know what? I do really want to be a man of God. And I have a specific example of where this works. So I'll tell that next. But you know what? I really do want to be a man of God. And this doesn't actually align with what I want. Like, this is a hypothetical. Right. But that really works for people. I think, again, we have to start being like, here's a framework for how you can work through these issues yourself.

Bryce Crawford (51:27)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (51:28)

And then for me, as I said, I've had to do that and be like, well, how much do I care about this? I've been in situations where I can drink alcohol, I can do drugs, I can smoke, and no one would know.

Bryce Crawford (51:37)

Yeah.

Victoria Sinners (51:38)

And I've had to sit there and go, well, how important is Jesus to me in this moment? Because if I touch that cigarette, how's that going to make me feel? Oh, that's going to devastate me because it's going to break the Lord's heart. I can't do that, man. I really want that drink. Everyone's offering it. Everyone's drunk right now. Oh, but I Know the consequence if I do that. And it's not worth it. It's not worth it to, to, you know, hurt my heart and hurt the Lord's heart doing that. And that's where that was really formed. And that's what I think is important, is, hey, guys, again, reflect on how important is Jesus to you. How important. One of the other things I tell myself again, hopefully that helps people, is I'm like, I want to be the full inheritance of what he paid for on the cross. I do. I care that he died on the cross for all of this. He. He died so I could walk in incomprehensible freedom. He deserves that. I don't deserve that freedom. He does. So, Jesus, I want to walk in that freedom that you paid for. And I think that that deep, intimate love with Jesus and really caring about that kind of as a byproduct again compels you with a healthy fear of God to go, well, it's just not worth it. Then look at what he did. It's not worth it. So that's why I encourage that, to sit, ponder on those things. And I was last year, I was in the States for about three months and I lived in Reading for a month and a half. Met this gentleman, super cute old British man. I'm half British, so like we nerded out, like my mom was born in Manchester. He's like, no way. So anyways, like had this super cute conversation and there's a little coffee shop at Bethel. So he's like, would you like to get a coffee after? This is a man in his 60s. I was like, yeah, of course, I love old people. And we kept talking, Bryce, dude. And he starts to tell me how he's a widower, his wife passed away recently. They were married for 50 years. I obviously share my testimony why I'm here. And he goes, well, I watch porn. Is that bad? Is that the same as only fans? And he goes, I don't think that God's mad at me for it because, you know, I was having sex for 50 years and you know, males have these natural urges. And so are those girls in the porn having the same thing that happened with the girls and only fans that you're talking about? And we have this beautiful conversation about it. No. Like, no. Oh my gosh, wait. Yeah, dude, it's the same thing. But I would really, like consider what's going on? Why are you watching this? Like, what's happening in your heart? Like, can I pray for you? And like this fantastic conversation about three Weeks later there's a conference. So he, I found out, left, went to Canada, came back for this conversation. Dude, his countenance, everything changed about him. And he comes up and he grabs me and he goes, since our conversation, I haven't touched porn. I really sat with the Lord. And he goes, it was like God revealed to me the grace that's on my life for safety. And this happened in this. And I just realized it's not worth it. It's not worth it. And it was stalling the grief from my wife. And that's why I was doing porn, because it was helping me and I haven't touched it and you could see. And I was like, yes. So I think that that for me was a real practical of, like, it does work, that framework, I guess. Like, and I just think that's such a cool story of like encouraging people to just seek Jesus and seek that conviction for yourself.

Bryce Crawford (54:40)

Yeah, that's very encouraging. And I love how you, you brought the clarity to that. I'm very big on the practicals. And it's like, yeah, the practicals don't even matter if you're not motivated by love, because then it just becomes performance. Then you're going to burn out and fall into sin again. You know, it's like that, that's the worst when it, when you lose sight of loving Jesus and then it becomes performance of, oh, I gotta, I can't watch porn again, or I can't do this, I can't fall back into the drugs again. And it's like all out of your own strength. And it's like, well, well, crap, no wonder you're gonna fall. You know, it's almost like, yeah, I'm so glad that you brought the, some clarity to that because that is important to know that Jesus is, is the love, he's the love that you're chasing. And, and in that it's then the, the only fans of porn. The drugs, the anger, the lashes out of anger, things like that, like that turns into disgust and your, your heart begins to change.

Victoria Sinners (55:34)

Yeah, I think one of the most beautiful things that's been really pivotal me in my journey is that I've been really blessed that I've been able to have. I don't really have a normal job, I guess you could say. So I get to spend. Sometimes I spend like 10 hours on the floor like crying with God for like months on end. And what he's taught me in that is that I, I never understood when Christians were like, seek first the kingdom and everything will come. I was like, what does that mean? Like, it doesn't make sense. But I'm like, wow. If you really like Francis Chen, I really love him. At the moment of, like, do you, like, do you know how loved you are? Do you really. Do you really understand how loved you are? And I know that sometimes we hear this, but that's the biggest friction I see in believers. They don't understand how loved they are. They fall into perform. I have to do this, I have to do that. I have. No. If you sit there and you say Jesus, like, that's been a prayer that I've been praying for. So since I've. Since I've. Understood this, take those stones from my heart, and can you help me to understand how loved I am? And as a byproduct of understanding that and spending intimate time with God, man, I just got. I'm so loved. I don't worry about that. I don't have to worry, like, if that person's mean to me, that's fine. Do I have to get mad about that? Why? Because I'm so loved. And you just, like this little bubble of just so much peace and love and then these things exactly. Like, I think about that, like, I'm single, but coming into dating, and I just know that. I know that I'm like, I'm so loved. I don't have to worry about if I need to feel that I have to be hot for someone or this or that, because Jesus, I'm just so enough for him. It's not even a thought. It's like it all just washes away. And that's what I think. It's like, seek first the kingdom and all those other little things. You're just gonna go, I'm so loved. I don't have to worry about that. It's gonna be fine. Jesus has got this, like. And everything just comes really simple.

Bryce Crawford (57:22)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (57:22)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (57:23)

So encouraging. I think it's gonna be freeing for a lot of people listening, especially that are struggling with sexual sin. Maybe they're consuming the only fans or the porn or even, like, the content. Maybe they're not even watching directly. Only fans are porn. Maybe they're watching the creators online. And to be honest, like, that still is enabling some sort of sin.

Victoria Sinners (57:47)

Oh, can I tell you?

Bryce Crawford (57:48)

Please do.

Victoria Sinners (57:49)

Okay, so I was in Georgia. Actually, I was in Illijay.

Bryce Crawford (57:52)

Oh, that's. That's like the mountains, dude.

Victoria Sinners (57:55)

Okay, I have a crazy can. This is a side quest story. Can I tell you this very quickly?

Bryce Crawford (57:59)

Yes, please.

Victoria Sinners (57:59)

So since coming on this faith Journey. I reflect sometimes that I do really stupid things. This was one of the dumbest things I've done thus far. So I got invited to go to Georgia to speak at. It's called Global Youth. Something I can find out what it's called, but it's in the mountains and it's all of the churches come together. This guy emailed me and I had no context. We had one phone call and he's like, yep, come to Georgia, I'll come pick you up. Like you'll stay with us. And I'd asked him a couple times like, what am I actually doing? Oh, you just speaking at a youth event. Didn't give me a name of it. Nothing. I land in Georgia at 11 o' clock at night and it hits me. I'm getting picked up by a strange man on the other side of the world. I did not vet him. I have no idea who he is. No one knows where I am. I don't know anyone in Georgia. And it's basically the middle of the night. I was like, Jesus, I'm either about to get kidnapped and die or this is you. Like help. And I had, I was like, I like, I will run right now. Just God tell me what to do. I'm walking to pick up my luggage. I had a sense of peace. But then it got worse because he picks me up and we're at Atlanta Airport. He goes, oh, by the way, I live an hour and a half away in the mountains. And I was like, I think I'm gonna die. Anyways, we went to Waffle House immediately, it's great. But then when we got to his house has kids, it's legit. He works in anti human trafficking. And I just looked at him and I went, I think I really trust Jesus. And he looked at me and he goes, that was really dumb. I was like, yeah. I was like, I just picked up some strange girl and in the middle of the night to bring you home. He's like, me and my wife would never allow that. How did that just happen? He's like, that was stupid. Don't do that again. Anyways, that's like my random. Sometimes I just do dumb things with the Lord. Anyways, that's just one of my favorite stories in Georgia, speaking at this you thing. And after I finish speaking, I'm literally going to walk out of the building and this young girl and this is all again maybe like 13 to 15 year old kids that have grown up in church. Little town in Georgia, like Bible loving people, right? And she goes, excuse Me. Can I ask you a question? And I said, sure. She goes, how do you deal with the shame of what you did? And so I sat down with her and I was like, why are you asking that? She goes, well, I watched Bobhouse Content and it made me do something with a boy last summer that I didn't want to do. And I don't know how to live with the shame of it. And so that's why the social media element of this is so important. Because if you're maybe not going to the extremes of doing porn or consuming porn, what are you doing in your everyday life? Are you going and doing something sexual with a boy at 14 years old because you watch Bobhouse Content and you think that's what you need to do? So I just think it was perfect that you said that because they're real life examples and parents in faith are just unaware. My kid wouldn't do that. They're not like.

Bryce Crawford (60:39)

And it's like 14 years old.

Victoria Sinners (60:41)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (60:41)

Oh, it's so sad. It's extremely sad. And this girl just came up to you and was like, how do, how do I deal with this? So would she have been 13 when it went on? Or would. Was she.

Victoria Sinners (60:52)

I have no idea. This was July last year. So your summer. Wow. Wait, no, the, the previous summer. So it would have been like a year ago. So maybe then I would assume. Yeah, yeah.

Bryce Crawford (61:02)

It's so. That's so sad. Is there when you were working on the back end, like obviously sexual sin, all this other stuff, it's demonic, but did you see anything demonic on the back end of working in this industry?

Victoria Sinners (61:19)

No, I actually, I was actually having a conversation with Jamie about this talking. I sometimes go undercover to like occult festivals and like a new age festivals and devil worshiping stuff and we evangelize it.

Bryce Crawford (61:29)

So cool, so fun.

Victoria Sinners (61:30)

But you know what I noticed it's so cute. There's rocks and they're pink and it's purple and it's colorful and it's really fun and alluring. Right. And you've got cute little candles and they smell great. And these tarot cards, like they've got pretty colors on them. And I was like, this is the deception of like, like that angel of the light, but it's actually darkness. So it's the same in only fans. It looks so elite. It's not like it has this heaviness. There were moments, of course, as I said, the girls would have these mental health spirals. I was basically high half the time. But the, the superficial allure is like, this is amazing, this is fun, this is beautiful. This is sexy. Again, luxury cars, luxury homes, like that's the whole of law, I think, I don't think that it has a feel to it of darkness until you're in too deep and then that's where you go, oh my gosh, what am I doing? How did I get here? So again, like with everything, it's super fun and flirty and amazing for the first little bit. And then there's always a turning point.

Bryce Crawford (62:25)

Did any of those girls leave that were working, the creators? Did any of them leave after you ended up leaving and having this?

Victoria Sinners (62:32)

I had the coolest story. So about a year after me and one of my friends through like an event together, she invited some people, I invited some people for business stuff. Skill comes. And she was one of the account managers that I trained at the agency and she was one of the only fans girls. And I go, what are you doing here? And she goes, what are you doing here? So obviously I just kind of disappeared off the planet. So I get to tell her my whole testimony, everything like that. And she goes, well, Vic, it's crazy. A week after you left, I left. The agency actually has shut down now and I've been watching your Tick Tock videos the past year and I am now in a completely different industry. I understand my value. I understand that, you know, I don't have to be ashamed and lie about what my work is anymore. And so now I'm doing this and I've totally turned away from that life.

Bryce Crawford (63:18)

Wow.

Victoria Sinners (63:18)

Isn't that cool?

Bryce Crawford (63:19)

So cool.

Victoria Sinners (63:20)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (63:20)

Wait, so the agency isn't even a thing anymore?

Victoria Sinners (63:23)

No, shut down last year.

Bryce Crawford (63:24)

Wow. Praise God. I know.

Victoria Sinners (63:26)

Isn't that crazy?

Bryce Crawford (63:27)

That is very crazy.

Victoria Sinners (63:28)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (63:28)

Praise God. Wow, that is wild. You're doing some incredible work. And I praise Jesus for everything that you're doing. I, I, we gotta, before we pray, you gotta talk about this murder story. You can't just like, like over overlook. Oh, I just almost got murdered. Can you please explain you surviving a murder attempt?

Victoria Sinners (63:51)

Yeah, it was a couple weeks before my 21st birthday. And basically what we believed at the time is it was someone who had like alcohol induced psychosis. Now obviously I think there's a little bit more of a spiritual element to it, but to put it shortly, this person went on like a alcohol rampage. They put three people in the hospital. Hospital that evening. I was trying to run away from this situation and without going into all the details, there was a broken window, I'm trying to get into a car. To run away. The car's locked, and this person comes up to me, and it just kept pushing me, pushing me, pushing me. And I was like, please don't touch me. Don't touch me. And goes, f you. F. All of this throws me through the window. And that's how it was. Like, sharp. Sharp, like, super long. And my face just split through this entire window. It was crazy. Like, but it's the coolest Jesus story. But, yeah, like, wait, so.

Bryce Crawford (64:43)

So why. Why did this guy explain the scenario? Like, were you out at a bar? Like, were you out downtown or, like,

Victoria Sinners (64:50)

where was, like, a person who was, like, close with our family? That's why it's messy. So someone. We were at a family event. This was not someone in our family, but they basically drank too much. Turns out they have an abusive past. We didn't know that. So after this event happened and they kind of went a little crazy, all these things came out of the woodworks of. Of their past. And then that's how we found out that this person probably wasn't a safe.

Bryce Crawford (65:12)

And they hurt multiple people that night.

Victoria Sinners (65:14)

Yeah, they threw, like, a pot plant. My cousin's husband, like, has his ear split open. My brother was like, anyways, it was crazy. And then that happened to me. And then years later. So that was. I just turned 21, 27 now. But when I got saved at 25, one of my first deliverance sessions, I'm in inner healing. And we were going through all the big T trauma, right? And we went through this event, and the. The ladies who were helping me through this just said, ask Jesus where he was that night. And literally, I had a vision of my death. And he goes over and over again, you were supposed to die that night, but I saved you. And it was like, dude, it was the sickest. Yeah, it was so cool. I got to come home, tell my parents. And we just cried. And I was just like, I can't believe that even in all my sin, all my grossness, you know, I was crazy at that time that the Lord was still there, and he showed me my death, and he showed my head go through that window when I should have died. And he goes, you were supposed to die, but I saved you. I just can't believe that that's what the Lord did for me, like, you know, at 21. And I got saved at 25. Like, when you look back, he's. He's always there, no matter what the thing is.

Bryce Crawford (66:20)

Wow, that's so encouraging. No, you know, it's so interesting to me. You said that your whole face split open, but you don't have. Your scar's not big and it's not noticeable, like.

Victoria Sinners (66:29)

Yeah, I'll show you the pictures. So no. So it goes from like, here to here. Okay. But I've been praying for God to remove the scar. And so bit by bit, it was like really heavy, swollen. I'm also wearing a lot of makeup, but, yeah, it's just slowly going away. So I just keep track of it until one day I really pray that it goes.

Bryce Crawford (66:48)

Wow, that is so. And so you. I'm just mind blown. You got. How long was the recovery? You got thrown through a window.

Victoria Sinners (66:57)

Yeah.

Bryce Crawford (66:58)

And was the window already broken when you got through?

Victoria Sinners (67:00)

Yeah, it was like. Think of like a house window that's like this. And then there was a shot of glass. Shot of glass. Really long shot of glass. Shot of glass. All here was broken. I got thrown through and my head went through the really long one. Oh, yeah.

Bryce Crawford (67:11)

Wow. Wow. Praise God. Praise God that you're alive. I mean, it's obviously evident now right in the moment, being a believer and experiencing the back end of God's grace and being empowered and going out impacting people, doing the work you're doing. It's incredible. Thank you for everything that you're doing and fighting against this industry that's luring people into sexual sin and shame and empowering the industry to keep going forth. Thank you for doing that. Would you pray for everyone as we close?

Victoria Sinners (67:39)

Yes, Jesus. I just thank you, Lord God, so much that we live in an era where these conversations are so easily accessible. I pray, Lord God, for every single person that is on the other side of this, that is hearing this, that there is just incomprehensible freedom that they're able to access through this, that any shame or guilt that they were feeling about any type of sexual immorality, no matter what it was, no matter if they thought it was big or small, that it matters to you and that you're not judging them, but you just want to envelop them in your incomprehensible, unconditional love and let them know where that they can come to you, that you are so safe, that you see them and that there is a way out. No one is too far gone. And so I pray for every single person that the biggest takeaway from this is they understand that there is a God that loves them. I pray that they understand and want to pursue what it means that Jesus died on that cross and the significance of that and the miracle of that and I just pray that every single person walks away with a renewed sense of hope and an excitement to fall greater and more deeply in love with you, Jesus. Thank you for this, God. Thank you that this is the era that we live in. And I just bless every single person on the other side of this and thank you for the testimonies of freedom that are to come in your name, Jesus. Amen.

Bryce Crawford (68:55)

Amen.