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Tim Miller (1:12)
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to be with you from Minneapolis this morning. We are going to get to our guest here in a minute, but just wanted to talk to you a bit about our last couple days. We had two amazing live shows. We had a bunch of special guests. Governor Tim Walls, Tina Smith, you heard her yesterday. Minnesota Angry man came out on the Thursday night show and Sam interviewed Superintendent Zena Stenvic and that one was gutting hearing what these goons have been doing at schools around Minnesota. We're going to be releasing that and the Next Level podcast that we did a big super siiz Next Level with Sam Stein last night did some audience Q and A. You're going to be able to see all that. Just make sure you're subscribed us over on YouTube. Subscribe to the Borg Takes feed, the Next Level feed. You know, over the weekend we'll be kind of rolling out elements from the shows. It was truly inspiring to be there with everybody from Minnesota and appreciated so much, just their energy and enthusiasm and love and their stories, like hearing what they've been doing in their communities. Volunteering. Before the shows, we had the opportunity to go out to the Whipple Building and talk to protesters out there and then to the pretty and good memorials. And my biggest takeaway about kind of what's happening on the ground here that's different than maybe what I Expected talking to folks at the Whipple Building, where, which is basically ICE headquarters building up here, is that there's still a ton of activity, like a ton of cars coming in and out of there, a ton of ICE and CBP agents, a lot of people getting released who had been detained either inside Whipple or at Whipple and then sent to Texas and then brought back. And like one protester, I thought this was a relevant anecdote. She lived about 40 minutes away in Wisconsin in kind of a whatever ex urban ish community that's more spread out, more sparse. And so they had, you know, 10 ICBP agents in her community in the last week. And we're hearing that from a lot of people up here that, you know, maybe what Homan is doing and what the strategy is is to move some of these agents outside of, you know, the areas where, you know, there's organized resistance already in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and instead push it out into areas that are less dense, where, you know, maybe there's less groups already together of constitutional watchers. And so that's something I think we should keep monitoring. They have funding for all these guys. They're not just going to sit around eating donuts, put their thumb up their ass, all right? They're going to be out there doing something. And signs now are pointing to these agents using kind of different tactics, maybe not quite as aggressive tactics against the protesters, but different types of tactics to go abduct immigrants and that they're doing it more outside of the main cities. So we'll keep monitoring that. I thought that was a somewhat dispiriting update, but, you know, it was on the other hand, like, pretty inspiring to see these people out there. Like the woman I was talking to from Wisconsin's like, I'm out here every day, three hours, driving in 45 minutes. It's cold as balls, let me tell you. My feet were freezing. You know, I didn't really pack for the weather. I forgot my coat. Luckily I got a $9 one thanks to JVL at the department store. But it's amazing what folks are out there doing. We went then to the Preddy Memorial and the good and Pretty memorial, and it was really tough. I had a tough time with it. And, you know, the Preddy one in particular, I think maybe just because I've seen the video so many times, it was just very easy to visualize, like, standing there, like my subconscious knew all the sign posts, having watched the video so much. And so I was like, visualizing them executing him in the street walking through and just getting very mad and emotional and had to walk away for a little bit. When I walked back, I took to this guy Jeff, who was there, who's been going there most days, help protect and clean up the memorial and just be a watcher, be a helper out there. And he said to me that he was doing it in the spirit of what Lincoln said in the Gettysburg Address. And because I'm not Bill Kristol or Sarah, Sarah demonstrated yesterday to me that she has the Gettysburg Address memorized, so shout out to them. But I was like, I don't have it memorized, and I know the first sentence, but I wasn't exactly sure what he's talking about. But we kept. Kept chatting and, you know, just like I was chatting with a bunch of people there and just about their experiences, what they're seeing. And I went back to the hotel room and pulled it up, and I saw the section that he's talking about in the Gettysburg Address, and I just. I do want to read it because I think that it kind of summarizes what we are trying to do here in Minnesota. It goes like this. We cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hollow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here have consecrated far above our poor, power to add or detract. It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. And that unfinished work is what Jeff was talking about. You know, there's only so much you can do to memorialize and consecrate the ground where these guys assassinated our fellow citizen for doing nothing, for trying to help someone, for exercising the rights of the first and Second Amendment that are enshrined in our Constitution. You know, we can remember and honor, but what it's really our job to do is to continue the unfinished work. And I struggle with that. You know, it's just like we're not actually in the Civil War, right? A lot of elements of it. And JVL was talking about how some of the parallels to the Underground Railroad that we see with the people that we were talking to, like Haven Watch, for example, this group that waits outside the Whipple Building and then helps people, clothes them, feeds them, and helps find them shelter, get them back to their family after they've been detained, it's those types of things is what we're able to do, right? I'm not suiting up to go into battle, but we are in a battle against a Authoritarian government that is. That is, you know, trying to entrench power and trying to assault people's rights. And if what we can do at the Bulwark is just shine a light on it, draw attention to it, help people not get beaten down completely by it, help do so in a way that maybe persuades people or draws people in. You know, I joked last night, I was like, I guess if my role is to make fingering jokes on YouTube, I guess I will do that. I wish I could do more than that, but that is what we got to do here. You know, I think that it would be an affront to the memory of Alex and Rene and the other people if we just kind of turned the page on this thing. And I think that is like, the main change in my perspective having been here, is I was very much looking at this through a political perspective where I do think that the resistance, so to speak, won in Minnesota. And I still feel that way from, like, a political standpoint. But the broader battle is still here in Minnesota, and it's still most acutely, but it's still everywhere around the country. And, you know, we need to make sure that we are vigilant in that because the national news is going to move on to whatever the next story is, and the battle is still ongoing here. All right, everybody, that's all I got for you from Minnesota. Want to go now to our guest, one of our faves. He's a reporter at the Insider. He's also on Substack at the Foreign Office. It's Michael Weiss and his birdies. How you doing, Michael?