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A
Hey, everyone, it's us again, me and Will. I'm Sam Stein, he's Will Sommer. MAGA Mondays back in effect. Will, how you doing, man? How's the weekend?
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B
I'm thrilled to be back. You know, if observant viewers may notice, I appear to have gotten tatted up. But in fact, what happened was, let's see, maybe like here.
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A
Oh, wow, congrats.
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B
And so, in fact, I was at a child's K pop demon hunter party and I went a little crazy with the temporary tattoos while they were, while they were a hit at the time. I've been paying for them scrubbing on Sunday and it didn't work. So that's the explanation.
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A
So they're not that temporary?
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B
No, they might be permanent. I'll take it.
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A
What a weekend. That sounds like a thrilling dad weekend. I. I picked my kid up from camp. He was gone for three weeks. I drove up and grabbed him. It was the greatest sensation as a parent, I felt in a long time being reunited with my child. So that was wonderful. Yeah, he did not have any tattoos, thank God. All right, let's get into it. So we're going to talk about Alexandria Ocas Cortez. Off the jump over the weekend, she put out a video announcing that she was freezing her eggs, predictably. Well, I'll just note, she warned everyone not to get weird about it while she was doing the video. And predictably, everyone got super weird about it. So she was prescient in that respect. I guess up front, I want to acknowledge that Will and I are both men and when we talk about this stuff, it's from a place of naivete and probably lack of full information. My credentials are very limited, but I do bring to the table the fact that my mom up until recently was an obstetrician, gynecologist. And so I have been bred, raised in this information ecosystem. I, I know some of it, but I'm going to talk like in total idiot. And if I do, I apologize in advance for the commenters out there. You can scold me in the comments. Will, do you have any credentials whatsoever on this?
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B
None. And yeah, even less than you have. I think so. So I'm glad to have you here as our expert.
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A
Okay. Let's just do our best. But I have, I have some serious thoughts about this. So AOC goes on. She says she's gonna freeze her eggs. She's 36. She has had a boyfriend for a while. She is talking about it in the context of the politicization and attacks from the administration on women who want to have children, specifically on ivf. Obviously, Trump has a weird, sordid history around ivf. He promised to be. Didn't he say he's like the grandfather of IVF or something like that? I don't know. And he promised to protect ivf. They have not done so while in the White House. Obviously, Republicans are the party who. Of anti abortion, the anti abortion faction in the party who have been skeptical of ivf. And then, you know, there's that, that's the context.
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B
Yeah, they just blocked the Republicans in Congress, just blocked the military from covering ivf. So, yeah, all these different things.
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A
Right. So that's the context here. But really what this is about, what, what the reaction's been about is what proper motherhood is and, and what proper family and child upbringing is and whether or not women should be, you know, con. Encouraged to have children later in life as opposed to earlier in life. And so when you look at the reactions online and we can put up, well, why don't we put up her video first so people can have the context and then we'll put up the reactions online.
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B
It is of a sensitive matter and a personal matter.
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A
And usually I keep my private life quite private, but I have made the decision to start freezing my eggs. Okay, little clip of the video. She then, not in the video, she then injects herself. She starts treatment again. She's 36 and she's obviously got a very full career. And she has also hinted elsewhere that she might run for Senate, maybe even president. So there's a lot going on in her life and then there's a lot going on potentially in the future. So that's context. Here's some of the right wing reaction to this. Let's put it up. Okay. All right, now, Katie Miller up in the upper left. Yeah, let's put, let's pause on Katie Miller on the left because Katie Miller actually is the more interesting one here. Why don't you take a few of these?
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B
Well, all right, so we've got, look, naturally my eye is drawn to Benny Johnson. He's got a thumbnail that, that is a, I believe, a Photoshop here. I don't think this is actually like from her. That is a Photoshop.
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A
Yes.
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B
Of, you know, AOC pulling up her shirt and injecting her stomach. And then he's looking like. And it says AOC shocks Internet lifts up her shirt to reveal her medical treatment to run for president. We've got Molly Hemingway. Ladies get married to a good man as young as you're able and have your babies and do it naturally. It's a very sad public performance. Why don't you take a couple of these bad boys here?
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A
Okay. Matt Walsh. She'll turn 37 in a couple months. If she got pregnant now, it would technically be a geriatric pregnancy. Instead, she's freezing her eggs. The desire to start having children late in life is completely baffling to me. I'll have kids in their 20s. I'll have kids in their 20s by the time I turn 50. AOC apparently wants to have a toddler at that age. Totally backwards and ridiculous. Why would she have a toddler at that age if she's in her 50s?
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B
I think if the assumption is that
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A
she would get pregnant, she's gonna wait. What, she's just gonna wait 10 more years? Is that the assumption from that?
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B
Okay, that's right.
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A
All right, who's the one on the right? I don't really.
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B
You don't know about conservative millennial Ali Beth Stuckey? No, she's actually a big deal. She's deep in the kind of like, evangelical mom, conservative commentator sphere. So she says. Well, she's as he's been with the same guy for years. There's no reason she couldn't have had kids yet. She'll require IVF or surrogacy to have a baby. Uh, it's very rare that a woman's able to get pregnant after 40. Freezing your eggs is bad for your health. She's glamorized. And most importantly, I think she's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. You can't. Biology is real. And how you order your life makes or breaks your future.
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A
Okay, let's put it down for a second. I'm going to bring it back up because I do want to read Katie Miller in a little bit. But my reaction to this is get a fucking life. Who gives a shit? Like, why do you care? This is not your life. Let her make her decisions. Why do you care? Also, isn't this supposed to be the faction of America that's encouraging children, have people having children and more families? Isn't the faction of America that says, hey, we should glorify bringing new life into this world? Why all of a sudden are you so up in arms about AOC wanting to do this? I mean, get a life, Honestly?
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B
Yeah, I mean, I think. Look, these folks, they hate to see a woman in control of her reproductive schedule, you know, or plans. They. It's interesting. There is, as you said, this is A group that is ostensibly natalist, that wants, you know, more children to be born and yet has a lot of strictures about, you know, they want the mom to not have a job. They want, you know, these women to be having children in their early or mid-20s. You know, there is, though, and as you as we're going to get into with Katie Miller, I think there is a savvier, I think, more realistic faction emerging on the right that says, you know, like, for example, you could look at like the maha idea of parenting, which is, you know, no plastics, you know, all this stuff and saying, well, are people really going to have that many kids if the expectation is that we have these, like, really regimented, Like, I'll tell you, this woman at tpusa says she won't let her kids eat fruit until they're older than two. I mean, is that really. Yeah, that's.
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A
What's the, what's the rationale behind that?
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B
I think because there's like sugar, naturally occurring sugars in fruit. And so she. Now she does look. Does she have kids? No, she doesn't have kids yet. You know, she's the perfect parent already. And so, so there's all these things that I think are imposed by the conservative view of motherhood that make, you know, parenting actually pretty unrealistic.
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A
I don't know, it's kind of bothersome to me that, that she's getting scolded for this. Right? Like. So let's just back up for a second. She obviously got elected to Congress when she was very young. She's been working in the House, building a career. It doesn't take a genius to understand that would have been very complicated, maybe even impossible for her to do this, have this career if she was raising a kid. And maybe people think that that's a trade off that you should make and that you should ultimately choose to have a child. But let's say she had a child before, when she was in her bartender years and she was raising the kid. Is it possible that she would have not run for office? Yeah, it's definitely possible. And then she would have been, you know, had a different career path and she chose the one that she wanted, so why do we care? And now she wants to have a child, but she maybe doesn't want to have it right this minute. Also, we don't really know the complications. All we know is that she's freezing her eggs. We don't know what other complications there are that come along or associated with it. It might be medical ones. There might be something to do with her boyfriend. We don't know. But the fact that we're not encouraging and applauding this as opposed to admonishing her for waiting is really sort of archaic to me. It does get to a sort of a view that, you know, what was the one who said, you can't have it all, you have to make choices. Yeah, so is that, I mean, also,
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B
by the way, I mean many of these women running conservative media empires like, like alibastucky here.
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A
What?
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B
Well, well, well, what I'm saying is that these are not people who do not have jobs themselves. You know, I mean, they're very much, you know, another point here, I think we'd be amiss and specifically about aoc, the rights psychosexual fixation on her, right? Because she is a young, vibrant, I guess, you know, good looking young woman that, you know, they, the edits, you know, that make her look, you know, bustier or, you know, they'll see a picture of her and they'll be, say, say, you know, can I say something, you know, without offending anyone or you, this aspect of her in particular, and I think we saw that with Benny Johnson where his, there's multiple layers of
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A
the Benny tweet where he goes, well,
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B
yes, indeed, get Dr. Freud. So the, the, the, the idea of making the headline, AOC lifts up her
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A
shirt and Benny's got this face where he's like disgusted by it. Like, okay, Benny, that's a fair point. That's a fair point.
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B
That lawsuit, by the way, against Milo Yiannopoulos for saying Betty still, still is not dropped. I guess they're working really hard on it.
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A
Okay. My mom's been texting me. I, I, I admit I cheated. I called her on the way in, I was like, hey, what do you think of this? She's texting me a little bit about this. You know, it's really expensive, this stuff. It is. There are cases where it's covered by federal health insurance, but that's usually fertility caused by medical reasons, not delaying childbearing. So again, we don't know what's going on here, but it's a hugely expensive cost. And so I think AOC is trying to shine the light on that as well, which is this is, this is not something that you can afford necessarily when you're on a bartender salary. And she's not a rich member of Congress. She's, you know, I mean, I think I don't have the financial disclosures in front of me, but I think she routinely ranks lower in the ranks. So, you know, this is something that you might have to actually wait to do if you're not going to have kids because you just don't have the money to do it. I will also note that, you know, all this focus on, on whether women are waiting too long and you know, you, you have to have kids early enough. Of course, obviously, as my mom noted to me, you know, it's beneficial to start earlier in life, if only to have more retrievable embryos. You don't want to wait till you're mid to late 30s. You can still do it, obviously, and we have all these medical advances, but, you know, it's like early 30s when you want to start the egg freezing process, if you want to do it with more success rates. And even, even if she does retrieve a number of good eggs, like, there's no guarantee it's going to work. So we just have to keep that in mind. I will just say this. There are, there's no attention to men who have kids, elected officials who have kids when they are old. So I didn't have time to do all the research on this. But, but our helpful AI overview at Google does say that there have been at least three male lawmakers who've had children while in office or have children over the age of 50. Richard Blumenthal had his fourth child at the age of 52. Mitt Romney's son Josh was born when Mitt was 50. And Representative Paul Gosar had his children life. His youngest was born after he turned 50. This is according to AI, which is infallible. Definitely never any problems with AI. So no attention to that. Just gonna throw that out there. All right, which brings me to Katie Miller. Let's pull up Katie Miller. All right, so there's Katie Miller. My eyes are failing me because I'm getting old too. We have historically low birth rates worldwide. If one woman wants to preserve her right to have children, which means more having, which means more than having none, we should celebrate that if she inspires other women to have babies, we should celebrate that more women should get married and have babies younger. But too many women buy into the feminist lie and spend their child rearing years climbing the career ladder. When society has more babies and more, your woman and men are expected to have more babies. There will be more babies. And so and so and so thoughts on that? That was, yeah, a little bit surprise for me.
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B
Well, thank you for the woke take Katie Miller. I will say there's a bit of a barb there where she's she bought into the feminist lie. She spen her child varying years climbing career ladder. Later, she says, you know, I can't wait to see how motherhood changes aoc. You know, on the other hand, you know, I mean, there is this. I feel like Katie Miller, she's on this journey of being more approachable and kind of like a. More like, kind of like a mom parenting influencer, like with her podcast and everything.
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A
Oh, yeah, the play, huh?
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B
Well, and I mean, it may be realistic, but it is kind of funny to me. I mean, like, she's very, like, open about, like, having all the. Her family.
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A
She just had a kid a lot.
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B
Yeah. And. And yet her husband is Stephen Miller, which is very weird and off putting. Like, they have the family pictures and it's like, oh, yeah, there's the, there's the deportations guy. There he is looming. You know, I, I do think the. It's certainly more realistic approach, but ultimately, I don't think it's the one that will win the day. I think the idea, the right. They love talking about, like, women having, like, empty egg cartons or hitting the
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C
wall,
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B
I should say the wall is the belief that when a woman turns 30, she's totally unmarriageable and, you know, really an evil troll. They call it the wall. And so like. And ultimately.
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A
Right.
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The dream there for them is the idea that women will panic and get married at 23 to the first guy or the first griper they meet, rather than, you know, building the career, getting a little more independence, having more options, you know, romantically. And, and so I think that is ultimately what a lot of this stuff about, like, you know, you're ruined, you know, your life's over is about.
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A
I don't want to get too far afield, but there was a. There was a story over the weekend. It's not been denied that Katie Miller, back in the day had a little thing with Eric Swalwell. Does that affect her credibility at all in the right.
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B
You know, I haven't seen a lot of discussion on the right about the Katie Miller Swalwell thing. I think, I wonder, maybe she's bringing to bear here. She's saying, look, we've all had, you know, we've all had textured past. Let's say we've all made mistakes or we've done things, you know, we. We spend it with dalliances, whatever. I will say the Katie Villar Swalwell thing, that's. That's one I didn't see coming. And it has, it's changed my view of a lot.
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All right, folks, if you're in the comments, help us do a little research for other men, maybe over the age of 45 in Congress who've had children that no one seems to have cared about or noticed. I will note Trump on the trail. We referenced this in 2024, said Quote, under the Trump administration, your government will pay for or your insurance company will be managed to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment, fertilization for women. I don't know if that's the quote about him being the godfather of fertilization, but if we can find that one too, that would be helpful. Finally, my last thoughts on this are that and I'm stealing this from someone I saw online, but it did make a lot of sense to me, which is all this talk about, oh man, you know, having a kid is a full time job and you got to have it early because if you're later in life you can't really be an attentive parent. You're going to miss prime years. It's just going to actually, you know, SAP your career. But you should have that trade off. You should willing to have it. That has the capacity to discourage women potentially from having kids.
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C
Yeah.
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How hard your life is going to be in your, in your 20s if you have a kid. And like, look, this is what I come back to. It's yes, she put up the video on her own and so she invited this conversation. So it's fine to have the conversation. And you know, I'm, I'm glad she did it because I think it's a worthwhile conversation. I think this is what she kind of wanted. At the same time, I can't get over the fact that it's, it's her fucking life. Like let her, let her live it. All these people who are sermonizing about this stuff and being morally self righteous about it, like everyone has their own path. Good for her that she wants to do this. You can have an opinion about whether she should have started earlier, but it's none of your, it's not your freaking choice. You know, like let her do her thing.
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B
I'm with you.
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A
Oh, thank you, Will. I appreciate that. But you also got tatted up over the weekend. Well, look, you're letting it bad.
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B
It's not all bad. You can get tatted up with your kids.
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A
Yeah, having a kid is great, but it is a lot of work. Let's just be real. It is a lot of work. Someone says that John Hinkenlooper had A kid when he was pretty old. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm just reading the comments, so don't sue me, John Hinkenlooper, if we got you wrong. Donald Trump. Wow. Was Donald Trump when Baron was born?
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B
Oh, my gosh. Let's get it. Let's get 20.
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A
Now, hold on. How old was Donald Trump when Baron was born? All right, let's see. Okay. If you had to guess, what would you say?
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B
60?
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A
59. According to our AI overlords. No one said boo about that. No one said boo. He's too old. He's gonna be. He's gonna be in his 70s when Baron's bar mitzvah. You know, can't have that. Parents not getting bar mitzvah. All right, apparently we have Trump calling himself the father fertility.
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C
Let's play it became the father of fertility. No, it just made a lot of sense to me. She explained it well, and I hope you tell that story. What happened to you that you were virtually attacked with a bad. With a bad ruling from a court. They gave a very bad ruling, as you remember, in Alabama.
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B
Yeah. But you stepped in and saved the
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A
day and made sure that we had
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nationwide access to IVF and have done
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A
so much since then.
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B
And we are.
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C
So. We had a. We had something before, passed within two days after. It's really pretty amazing.
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A
Okay. Look at that. They're so happy about encouraging fertility, but only. Only. Only before the age of 32. Only before the age of 32. After that. Can't do it, right? That's too much. All right, you ready to move on?
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C
Are you?
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B
Let's do it.
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A
Are you. Is this too uncomfortable?
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B
Well, you know, I do think there are areas where we have. We have a little more expertise to share.
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A
Speak for yourself, man. I was raised in this. Malou. All right, we're going to move on.
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C
Mom.
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A
Thanks for the help with the research. Appreciate it. All right. Max Miller did not drop out.
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B
No. The bad boy.
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A
Okay. I. I rarely take an L, but I was pretty convinced he was dropping out. I just assumed it was gonna happen.
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B
I agree. You know? Yeah. So, you know, now he's missed the deadline to drop out in time for Republicans to replace him. He can still drop out, but. But he can't be replaced at this point. I feel like, typically when the whole brunt of the party is brought to bear on someone where they're just like, you gotta get out now, as we saw with Graham, you know, and I think it's even more so for Republicans, they typically do drop out, but he didn't, he's hanging in there. You know, he's, I think he maybe gave a loan to his campaign and that might be. There was some financial movement.
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A
Was that, yeah.
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B
That made people like, oh, gosh, I guess he's really not dropping out. So he's in there. Republicans are stuck with him. You know, we didn't talk last month, MAGA Monday, because it happened after. But, like, a lot of the Blue Bunny stuff came out where, you know, he was, he put up these texts where he was like, I was not withholding my daughter's blue Bunny. You can look at these texts where I say, only certain people approved people will be allowed to bring the Blue bunny back to my daughter. You sent the wrong guy. And so I am withholding it. And it's like, that was your, that was the pro Max Miller case. He's just a crazy guy. He seems to be a very bad dad, and now he's still in the race.
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A
Yeah. The reason I thought he would drop out is because I, I, I think it's a little bit inaccurate to say the whole bearer of the brunt of the party was pushing him drop out. There was definitely, but there was definitely a lot. Like, a couple senators came out and were like, no, no, you gotta go. Marino obviously said he was unfit. You had polling data that showed he had, like, completely cratered in his district. But you also had Trump being like, I feel for the guy. And then you had Mike Johnson being like, let's not talk about this, which I guess gave him enough wiggle room to stay in the race. And this just is like, you know, kind of classic in a way, which is this is the Trumpian playbook. And he even said it, he was like, I can't leave. Because first of all, he said, I can't leave because I don't want to admit guilt. Or that would be sort of tantamount to an admission of guilt. And then he also was like, donald Trump gave me the template for staying in office after the Access Hollywood tapes, and I'm going to follow that template. That's more or less what he said. And I feel like that is the now prevailing ethos. If this guy can do it, why can't I?
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B
Yeah, no, I mean, I, I think we've seen that really ever since the Access Hollywood tape. Is that, like, you know, there's a good chance you can weather it and let's say he even loses his election. Well, he can continue to say, you know, well, I'm Innocent, whatever, you know, versus dropping out is, as he said. I mean, it is sort of a tacit admission of guilt, even though he's kind of dead to rights here. I mean, there's a lot of evidence against him.
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A
Yeah, there is a lot of evidence against him. He has not done well by himself with his public appearances, where he's basically been like, yeah, you know, we haven't talked about this. His whole thing about the. The needles were testosterone replacement therapy needles. Like, why was he doing that at 35? I. I know it's big on the right, but, like, that was a couple years ago.
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B
But he's just joined the army, you know, Hex. Seth will give him the trt, you know. Yeah. These guys. One of the most animating issues for conservative American men is that they essentially can't get recreational testosterone. This is a huge problem for them. And this is why Hegseth did it. And now this is why, you know, Max Miller. I mean, these guys love it. And, you know, for him in particular, this is a guy who already has some anger issues, it would seem. And so if I was a doctor, I would say, no way. But, hey, fellas. Love it. You know, I'm in the gym. I'm in the gym and I see these guys and.
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A
Are you injecting yourself?
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B
You know, I haven't gotten to that point. I'm often accused of being. The gym says, hey, this is not a steroids gym. And I say, I'm not on steroids. It's all natural. They say, there's no way. But, you know, I do see some of these guys, and I wonder, you know, and I do think, you know, as our society, we're in a very image.
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A
Sorry, are there steroids gyms?
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B
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I went to one. We were out. We were out at Indie Fest in Las Vegas, and I had. I wanted to go to a kind of a famous gym. I won't say its name, but I went out there and I was like, holy moly. This makes the. The Gold gym, Capitol Hill, look like, you know, a bunch of weaklings.
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A
I gotta check these things out. So you don't do testosterone replacement therapy yet?
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B
No, no, I'm on the old stuff from the 90s. That's, like, really dangerous. No.
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A
What is that? Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. So they're gonna lose the sea, huh? There's no. I mean, maybe not. I don't know. But it does seem pretty bad for Republicans. Aren't the people on the right aren't like the maga Folks being like, hey, you're gonna lose.
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B
You know, I do think there was this push, obviously, there was a sense that, like, and of course we know this isn't how it really works, but, like, if enough people who work for National Review tweet, like, drop out, you
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know, that's not how it works, buddy.
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B
No. And I mean, Max Miller, he's, I think, a guy who would be willing to do all those disastrous interviews. He's not reading the room, he's not leaving.
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A
Who is left defending Max Miller? Is there anyone?
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B
I mean, only Donald Trump and the speaker of the House. Like, there's few remaining allies.
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A
Like, the most low level Internet trolls are like, actually, this is too much. But my chance is like, we gotta let this process play out. Gotta wait for the Ethics committee to investigate this thing, which is what Max Miller wanted, so he could just run out the clock. I mean, that's the play here, right? Max Miller is just like, hey, this thing's being investigated. I gotta just stay put.
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B
Yeah, yeah, well. And that was the genius of it. I mean, when people were saying, oh, he's calling for a House ethics probe. What a foolish decision. But we've seen this before. Is that, I mean, these things take a year or whatever. I mean, we saw old Chuck Edwards who just finally dropped out for. For creeping on interns. And, and so, you know, in this case, clearly, this. This open. Once you get a case open, it was kind of like when they were like, well, we'll have the FBI investigate Brett Kavanaugh. Once you have these. The case open, you could say, I just defer it. And everyone, when they're asked about it, other politicians, they can say, I'm just waiting on the results.
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A
Gotta wa.
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And it just goes off into the ether. Yes.
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A
It's such a classic playbook. It's amazing what's. What will be the version of that for our newsroom. I can't even think about the parallel for her. All right, so Max Miller, stick and put. Everyone can have fun with that. It's creepy, it's weird. I don't see how he can continue to do media because every time he does it, he looks worse than before. But that's that next topic. Actually, before we get to the next topic, I've been doing a little bit of side research here. Just going to the first topic for a little bit, some data points, and then we'll get to the next topic. Usha Vance recently had a child, 40 years old. Okay. Melania Trump, when she had Baron. 35. So younger than AOC, but not by much. Carol Levitt's husband, 60. He just had a kid. So it seems to be selective here in terms of when you're upset that people are too old to have children. Did any of those influencers get upset with Usha?
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B
No, not that I saw. And, and, you know, I, I, Yeah, Caroline Levitt and her husband, obviously a famous May December romance. But, but I'm glad that, you know, they're, they're, you know, hey, more kids.
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A
Why not let them do what they want to do? Let them have kids at their own timeline. It's fine. It's gonna be okay. Sure. There are benefits to having kids earlier and spending. Definitely spending more time with your children. That's great. You can have that position. I do too. But everyone has their own journey. Gotta respect it. All right, this one, I. It just kind of popped up. Only because I follow Mike Lee on Twitter and I legitimately have no clue what is going on. But I saw Mike Lee get super mad on Twitter about, well, not really Superman. It's just Mike Lee being basically, my assumption now when I see him based, like Michael Lee tweet, is that he's been kind of like he's been completely convinced by something radically stupid that he saw on the Internet briefly, and he thinks it's real. In this case, he treats. Dumb move Coke. Can we put up a tweet? Let's put tree if you have it. Dumb move Coke. Jesus will win over Coca Cola every single time. And sure, yeah, I, I would take Jesus over Coca Cola. It's fair enough. But what the hell is he talking about, Will?
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B
Yeah, so this is an interesting one. Basically, Coca Cola has this way that you can generate a custom can. So instead, on the, you know, the side when instead of saying Coca Cola or along with that, it, there's, you can have a message. You can say like, happy Birthday, Sam or whatever. But in this case, cool people. And this is kind of a throwback to, like, I feel like a few years ago we saw these more where people would mess around with these, like, custom Nike shoe things and they'd say, well, I can't say Jesus, but I can say something. I can say Hitler rules or whatever. And then they would get, like, really frothed up about it. So in this case, there's this TikTok. Maybe we have that TikTok. But basically it was this guy who he seems to have just messed around a lot with his generator. And it said, well, you can't say Jesus is good. And there's a lot of things about Jesus you can't say, I think, because, you know, there Coca Cola is like, look, we don't want to meddle in the whole Jesus thing. You know, that's kind of another sphere. But they didn't put a word ban on, like Satan. So you can put Satan is good, but you can't say Jesus is good. Or you can say there was another one. You could say Allah is good. That's what got the really fired up. And this is the origins of this controversy. Now, how on earth would this be an issue? What is the larger implication here? Is it that Coca Cola doesn't like Jesus? I mean, that's kind of what Mike Lee's saying here.
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A
It's the idea that someone inside Coca Cola made the proactive decision to have word bands on these customized labels and they put Jesus in the word bin, but not Allah. That's the controversy.
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B
Yeah, I mean, it got. It got people whipped up in a frenzy. Now, I will say. I will say to the conservative influencers credit, it does appear that you could say Jesus is bad, which I, you know, because I thought there was just like a blanket ban on Jesus. Okay, that's fine. That makes sense. But then it is like, well, why Jesus is bad? I don't know. But like, ultimately it. It's sort of. It kind of reminds me of these things where it's like Candace Owens pours over Erica Kirk's records, and she's like, well, here it says she was born this day, and here it says she was born three days later. And you go, oh, okay.