Someone Did an Awful Thing to Pete Buttigieg's Family

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Episode Overview

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This episode of The Bulwark centers on the harrowing experience of Pete Buttigieg and his husband Chasten, whose family was targeted by a false Child Protective Services (CPS) report. The hosts unpack the personal, political, and societal implications of such weaponized attacks—especially against public figures and minority families. The discussion highlights the emotional toll, the danger of copycat actions, and the urgent need for prosecutorial action in response to these malicious acts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ordeal Faced by Pete Buttigieg's Family

• Detailed Incident Recap (00:00–02:53)
  • A false CPS report led to government intervention in the Buttigieg household.
  • Pete was separated from his children for a night; authorities interviewed the children without their parents.
  • The hosts emphasize the trauma for the family and highlight this as an escalation of politically inspired harassment.

2. Weaponizing Government Systems Against Political Opponents

• Tactics and Implications (02:53–03:39)
  • This approach is labeled a broad tactic, not a one-off attack: “Their tactics are never sort of customized for any one of their political enemies. They are usually rolled out and scale all of their political enemies.”
  • Public exposure of such events (as done by Pete and Chasten) is viewed as critical for deterrence.

3. Emotional and Political Response

• Host's Personal Reactions (00:55, 03:39–06:25)

  • Tim describes physical symptoms of rage on hearing the story: "I was literally sweating like palms and feet sweating, rage bubbling up inside of me." (00:55)
  • He reflects on the nightmarish idea of being separated from a young child due to a politically motivated false report.

• Hypocrisy in Parent-Rights Movements

  • Reference to groups like “Moms for Liberty” and their advocacy for parents’ rights, contrasting that rhetoric with the lack of broad outrage when such rights are violated for LGBTQ families.

4. Legal and Ethical Considerations

• Demand for Accountability (06:25–07:05)

  • Tim insists that the perpetrator should be prosecuted, emphasizing that a single malicious caller should not disrupt a family: “There should be real concerns about copycats here.”

• Pete Buttigieg’s Own Words (06:25)

  • “To be clear, making a false report of this kind is a crime. That's as it should be, both to protect the innocent from false accusations and to preserve the integrity of a process designed to protect children from harm... if there is any way to press civil or criminal charges over this, we will, not just for our own sakes, but to draw a line that I thought everybody already recognized. Do not mess with someone's kids.” — Pete Buttigieg (read aloud by the host)

5. The Broader Threat to Democracy and Pluralism

• Undermining Pluralism (07:05–End)
  • Tim reflects on the stakes for the pluralistic principles of democracy, cautioning listeners to recognize the gravity: "This is what it means. Live in a pluralistic society. This is what it is."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"An agent of the state coming to your home, trying to separate you from your child because somebody with a political agenda wanted to torment you, because they wanted to torment you, probably because you're gay. It is something that is totally sickening and unacceptable."
— Tim Miller (00:55)

"Their tactics are never sort of customized for any one of their political enemies. They are usually rolled out and scale all of their political enemies."
— Co-host (02:53)

"To be clear, making a false report of this kind is a crime. That's as it should be, both to protect the innocent from false accusations and to preserve the integrity of a process designed to protect children from harm... Do not mess with someone's kids."
— Pete Buttigieg, quoted by host (06:25)

"You would hope that there would be bipartisan condemnation of this. Like think about the infringement on the liberty of their family and their children. That the government would come in and separate them from their four year old twins... just because one sicko made a phone call."
— Tim Miller (05:40)

"I appreciate Ian calling for the turn to the better angels right now, because that's not my initial instinct, to say the least in hearing the response to the story. But he's, he's right."
— Tim Miller (07:05)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:00 — 02:53: Introduction of the Buttigieg CPS incident and initial emotional reactions
• 02:53 — 03:39: Description of political weaponizing of such tactics, affirmation of broader risks
• 03:39 — 06:25: Reflection on the impact, legal accountability, and broader hypocrisy in 'parent rights' rhetoric
• 06:25 — 07:05: Pete Buttigieg’s statement and call for prosecution
• 07:05 — End: Closing reflections on pluralism, democracy, and community vigilance

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Summary

This episode provides a stark, personal lens on the dangers faced by public servants—especially LGBTQ families—when bad actors weaponize government systems for political vendettas. The hosts blend visceral, authentic reactions with a sober analysis of legal remedies, pluralism, and the urgent need for solidarity and political action. Throughout, listeners are reminded of both the humanity of those in public life and the responsibilities of a vigilant, fair society.

Transcript

[A]

Hey everybody. Tim Moore from the Bulwark. I just got back from being on with Nicole Wallace and my buddy Ian Bassin over at Protect Democracy. We discussed a range of things, including me expanding further about my loathing of Megyn Kelly and just the nastiness that her and others from MAGA World have expressed towards these poor Haitians who are being punished by a racist government. We also discussed a little bit more about the vice presidents pro crime position. Well, at least if you're the vice president or the president, you can do crime. But at the beginning, we talked most about this horrific story that Pete Buttigieg wrote about on his substack, about how an insane person or a partisan person or crazy person or a wicked person, I don't know, called Child Protective Services on his family and said that Pete had done crimes to the kids. And so he had a CPS person show up to his house, separate him from his children for a night, interview his children without him there. It's a horrific experience. Get into it more in the clip about all the details of what happened. And I got to tell you, I can't really remember the last time sitting there doing a, a television hit, just having like this kind of physical reaction of. I mean, I was literally sweating like palms and feet sweating, rage bubbling up inside of me. And Pete is such a calm, cool and collected guy. And I just, I can't imagine my reaction if this were to happen. I know that threats are part of this business and I've had weird shit happen, colleagues have. But this thing, an agent of the state coming to your home, trying to separate you from your child because somebody with a political agenda wanted to torment you, because they wanted to torment you, probably because you're gay. It is something that is totally sickening and unacceptable. And I wish I had hoped that this government would do their diligence in going after the person that perpetrated the real crime here, the person that made the false call. I would love to be pleasantly surprised about that, but I don't expect that. But you know, this is where we are right now and I think it's important that we are absolutely vigilant against it in every way that we can be. And so we discuss a lot more with Nicole. It's a real upsetting one. It's a real, real upsetting one. So we'll leave it there. I love to Chasten and Pete and the kids.

[B]

Tim, I read this with a feeling of this could be any of us. This is a tactic. And their tactics are never sort of customized for any one of their political enemies. They are usually rolled out and scale all of their political enemies. And I think what Pete and Chasten decided to do by publishing this today is maybe put it under such a bright klieg light that people know this is happening to people like Pete and Chastain. But what a horrific, horrific experience for their kids and their family.

[A]

Hard to imagine. I just have this rage boiling inside of me having to listen to you read that. For the last few minutes I'm trying to gather my thoughts, but just thinking about the idea of being separated from your young child for a night by the government because a cruel, insane person called the police and said you were a monster and then to think about having to have the police come and interview your 4 year old. My child's 8 now, but I'm just trying to think about that and ask these invasive personal questions because you are a person that is in the public eye because you committed to public service. Like this is the punishment. You have to deal with that in a free country and it's totally unacceptable. You mentioned twice the comment about how the this isn't being referred to a prosecutor. Maybe there's something else that just wasn't included in Pete's update there, but I think it should be referred to a prosecutor to prosecute. Thei was about to cuss to prosecute the person that made the phone call. Like that is there's a hopefully that is ongoing. I just wanted to raise that as what I think should be the appropriate response to this, which is to prosecute the person that inflicted this on their family. And you know, you hate to go to politics and hypocrisy on this, but it does. The thing that just came to mind listening to all this and having been a former Republican is there was this big movement a few years ago going after families like Pete's and mine called Moms for Liberty and it was this parents rights movement talking about how they didn't want their kids to have to learn about gay people in schools and that's how they framed it, that this was about liberty, this is about parents rights. We shouldn't have things that we don't want forced upon our kids by the government. In a biggest picture, there's nothing wrong with that sentiment. A lot of their tactics were gross. What an example of an infringement upon liberty is this. And I'm not holding my breath, but you would hope that there would be bipartisan condemnation of this. Like think about the infringement on the liberty of their family and their children. That the government would come in and separate them from their four year old twins and invade their kitchen and ask personal questions to their children without them around just because one sicko made a phone call. I mean, it's totally, totally against how things should work in a free country. And I'm happy that Pete spoke out. And like you said, there should be real concerns about copycats here. The swatting thing is something that I hadn't heard about before 2015. And I know a lot of people who've been swatted. And so you do worry that this is something that expands.

[B]

Tim, you're right about where the crime may have happened and Pete addresses that. So let me read that part of it. Pete Buttigieg writes this quote, to be clear, making a false report of this kind is a crime. That's as it should be, both to protect the innocent from false accusations and to preserve the integrity of a process designed to protect children from harmony. I don't know how much we can do about it, but so help me God, if there is any way to press civil or criminal charges over this, we will, not just for our own sakes, but to draw a line that I thought everybody already recognized. Do not mess with someone's kids. Tim, I'll give you the last word on this.

[A]

I was just sitting there thinking about how I appreciate Ian calling for the turn to the better angels right now, because that's not my initial instinct, to say the least in hearing the response to the story. But he's, he's right. Look, and fundamentally this is, you know, I think people sometimes roll their eyes like when you talk about these high minded democratic notions about things like pluralism, but like, this is what it means. Live in a pluralistic society. This is what it is.