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Hello, everyone. 60 Minutes, America's most beloved news program, the 60 Minutes, as you knew it, is gone, dead and buried, killed today by Barry Weiss. I'm JVL here with my bulwark colleague Sam Stein to talk about it. Sam, beginning this week. So 60 Minutes wrapped its season recently and we knew there were going to be big changes to the news organization. We got word earlier in the week one of their senior producers, Sharon Alfonsi, had been let go, had not had her contract renewed. And today we get word that Cecilia Vega, Tanya Simon and Dragan Mihailovic were all fired as well. Of seven correspondents on 60 Minutes, three of them are gone. This is a wholesale reimagining. We have a new person in charge of 60 Minutes, Nick Bilton. You may remember him from when he used to write a tech column for the New York Times like five minutes ago, who has never produced a TV news show. He is now going to be running 60 Minutes, which means that Barry Weiss, who has never run a TV news show, is also going to be running 60 Minutes. Sam, I can't wait to hear what you think about this. Is this as bad as some alarmists out there think it might be?
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Well, depends on how you look at it. I think it's bad. Right. So let's just step back for a little bit. So Sharon was let go pretty much because she disagree with Barry's editorial vision and it centered around that seacot story. So she did, Sharon Alfonse did a big seacot story. Barry Weiss famously held it up. It spilled out into the public, if you remember, Canada, 60 Minutes ended up doing the original version and then it like, so this was a, this wasn't a, hey, let's, you know, we have a different vision. It was, hey, this is a real editorial clash and you are stepping on our product at behest of the Trump administration. That's Cheryl Fonzie's accusation to, you know, manufacture a different editorial. Ben and I that to me is a big effing deal, right? Like that's, that is exactly the type of stuff that you're not supposed to have happen. And if you're the flagship news network, not just at CBS, the flagship news program for all of television news, 60 Minutes, and you see government half a century and you see government interference at that level, then you shouldn't treat this as anything other than a huge, huge, huge deal. Now, the flip side of this is, and here's where I kind of go back to like the, you know, the stove touching elements that we talk about all the time, which is cool. Let's see what happens. Let's just see how big a train wreck this becomes. Let's see the audience flee when they do this type of monkeying around. Let's see the stupid stuff that they put up on 60 minutes that's manufactured to make Trump look decent. And let's watch it all crumble. Like, there's a part of me that's like, okay, we're just going to expedite the end of what we consider traditional TV journalism. And it's not going to come as a slow motion, industry wide change of people getting away from TV news. It's going to come because there's been direct meddling and you'll know who the villain is.
A
So here's, here's the problem with that because part of me does believe in markets sort of, and says, yeah, okay, well, Barry Weiss is running around screwing up all the products and the market is speaking. So CBS News is having all sorts of troubles and she came to town. The problem is that her tenure doesn't seem to be measured by market outcomes like everybody else has to chase, like ratings and ad revenue and stuff. So the first, her first project was CBS Evening News, which she has remade in her own image. They are now in last place by an almost unimaginable number. They only just got back to 4 million total viewers a night, and only just barely. They had barely three and a half million viewers a night, which was something that people didn't think was possible for an evening newscast on a major network. They thought, they thought that that's low, is low. Nobody could ever get down there. 4 million is as bad as it can ever be.
B
Right.
A
This happened while ratings were going up at ABC and NBC News. So it isn't just that, you know, that CBS was trapped in the same cycle of downward trends as everybody else. And so anybody who wasn't Bari Weiss, who was being graded as an actual executive, there'd be like five alarm fires. And the, the problem is that this, the CBS News project is merely a loss leader for the Larry and David Ellison project. Right? And so it seems like 60 Minutes is a cash cow. It's the most profitable part of CBS News in 2024. I think they, their ad revenue was $200 million. Insane season, very, very good. Right? That could, could get cut in half. And it, I don't think it would have any practical consequence because this isn't about the market. And that's what freaks me out here because the part of the critique of the contrarians the people like Barry Weiss has been. Oh, the, the elite establishment is. They're, they're nervous about hearing dangerous ideas. They don't want to hear any dangerous ideas like we have. And although, you know they're holding back the market, if you put us in charge, like you would see real America would flock to these things and we'd make real money.
B
Isn't this great what you're about to say? Because it's going to expose the lie, right?
A
But the light, this is the thing. It doesn't matter now that the lie is exposed. They got the power because that's the thing, right? It was, it was never about having to perform once you're there. It was just about seizing the commanding heights.
B
100%. I will say, you know, one of the arguments for the Ellison's taking over and for B was coming in as you are articulating here is that these are old institutions that are way out of step with modern media and we're going to reform them and make them real cash guys. You know, they were good. They were holding on to some old ad revenue but like they weren't really modern and they didn't really have their finger on the pulse of the nation. And we're going to change that and that clearly is going to be exposed as.
Date: May 28, 2026
Hosts: JVL and Sam Stein
This episode dives into the dramatic shake-up at "60 Minutes," CBS’s storied news program, following mass staff firings and a broader editorial takeover linked to Bari Weiss and CBS’s new leadership. The hosts, JVL and Sam Stein, analyze the implications for journalistic integrity, corporate strategy, and the future of traditional TV news amidst political meddling and declining ratings.
Staff Firings:
Editorial Conflict:
Sam Stein:
“...this wasn't a, hey, let's, you know, we have a different vision. It was, hey, this is a real editorial clash and you are stepping on our product at behest of the Trump administration. That's Cheryl Fonzie's accusation...” (01:35)
JVL:
“...now in last place by an almost unimaginable number. They only just got back to 4 million total viewers a night, and only just barely. They had barely three and a half million viewers a night, which was something that people didn't think was possible for an evening newscast on a major network.” (03:22)
JVL:
“...CBS News project is merely a loss leader for the Larry and David Ellison project... 60 Minutes is a cash cow. It's the most profitable part of CBS News in 2024.” (03:58)
JVL:
“It was never about having to perform once you're there. It was just about seizing the commanding heights.” (05:36)
Sam Stein:
“...we're going to reform them and make them real cash guys... And we're going to change that and that clearly is going to be exposed as.” (05:42)
Sam Stein:
“Let's see the audience flee when they do this type of monkeying around. Let's see the stupid stuff that they put up on 60 minutes that's manufactured to make Trump look decent.” (02:28)
On Editorial Integrity:
“That's exactly the type of stuff that you're not supposed to have happen. And if you're the flagship news network—not just at CBS, the flagship news program for all of television news, 60 Minutes—and you see government interference at that level, then you shouldn't treat this as anything other than a huge, huge, huge deal.”
– Sam Stein (01:54)
On Corporate Strategy:
“This isn't about the market. And that's what freaks me out here because the part of the critique ... has been ... if you put us in charge, like you would see real America would flock to these things and we'd make real money.”
– JVL (04:15)
On The End of Legacy Journalism:
“There's a part of me that's like, okay, we're just going to expedite the end of what we consider traditional TV journalism... It's going to come because there's been direct meddling, and you'll know who the villain is.”
– Sam Stein (02:36)
In this episode, JVL and Sam Stein paint a bleak portrait of 60 Minutes’ future, arguing that political and ideological motives are overtaking journalistic standards and even commercial logic at CBS News. Against a backdrop of mass firings and editorial takeovers, the hosts mourn the likely rapid decline of a venerable news institution, warning that these are not isolated media battles but skirmishes with profound implications for the public square and democracy.