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Look at that smile that he has, folks. It's Will Stalker. He looks tanned, rested. Must have had a great weekend. I'm Sam Stein, managing at the Bulwark. This is another edition of your favorite show. Great way to start the week, Maga Mondays. I have a suspicion I told Will this that we might have our first hour long show today. There's just a lot to discuss. Some truly inane, dumb shit happening over the weekend. So buckle up. Get your cup of coffee ready. I've had two. Will, you good?
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B
Yeah, I'm good. I got my iced coffee loaded. I have it in a nice Bulwark mug.
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A
Oh, that's great. People can go and get Bulwark swag on our store. Will, are you wearing shorts today or no?
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B
You know what? I changed right before we started. And you know, this raises a good point. In the comments, you know, you were talking about me wearing shorts to the office and a lot of people were saying, Sam is such an awful bully. Whatever. This is kind of a recurring trope in the comments. And I was thinking about this and because I've never seen you as a bully, obviously, we worked at two different outlets. Outlets. You know, I've seen you as sort of a, you know, a presence in my life, certainly. But what I want to emphasize to folks is Sam is really one of the nicest editors I've ever had. Now, does that say something about Sam or this industry?
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A
The industry? I tell people this. I only do this to the folks that I love. Right. Like, if I'm not kind of ragging you, I feel like you should be worried. If I am ragging you, you're doing a good job. And for the people in the commentary, comments like, look, I get it. I, I should be nicer. It's true. And I, and I'll. I'm working on it. I'm working on it, but, you know, it's just who I am every episode.
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B
Will, you're a genius. You've done it again.
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A
Keep the comments coming. I do appreciate that. I'm going to try to dip in and out of the comments today because it's, it's more fun when I, when we interact, it's just hard to choose what to start with because so much happened this weekend. I'm going to ask you because we've talked about it a couple times, so I don't want to dwell too much on it. But one thing I haven't really gotten is how the Magaverse felt about Trump's truly awful, truly awful White House correspondence during speech it's awful in a couple ways. One was it was just really, like, horrible humor, like just absolutely atrocious jokes, a couple of which he had to sort of explain, which is never a good thing, a couple of which he just sort of admonished his speechwriters, which is also not a good thing. But then there was also just the nastiness of it, you know, being mean and awful to Kaitlan Collins. And we'll get to that in a little bit. Just being nasty to people in the room felt really uncomfortable. I wasn't there. Anyways, I've not seen if the Benny Johnson's of the world thought it was epic mic drop, but you would know.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I think we're in this interesting position right now in MAGA media, where, and we've talked about this before, but where, like, when something bad happens to Trump or he flops or something, the majority of people just kind of ignore it. Like, they just won't engage with it. And they are like, all right, what's the latest Lib freak out. We can focus on instead. And I think we kind of saw something similar. You know, this one really snuck up on us. I remember last week where we're like, it's Friday. I feel like that was kind of the reaction. More broadly, I will say, the people like Benny Johnson, you're kind of like clipmeisters, the guys who, anything that happens, they'll just be like, trump just blew it out. Yeah, Benny Johnson, Eric Doherty, people like this, they claim to have loved it. You know, there was a lot of, like, people being like, just love him or hate him. Trump is the funniest president ever, ever. And then he gets on the mic, he's like, kaitlan Collins is trans. Yeah, I don't know.
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A
It was not funny. I watched it in its entirety. I kept waiting for it to end. It just felt like it just kept going and he was kind of melting a little bit up there. And then, you know, after it's all done, I just, you know, I felt kind of like, weird. I was talking to Edgar about this. And we. Again, we don't have to dwell on this because we've dealt on a lot of. Part of me was like, the story here is that his jokes were just so bad, but part of me was like, the story here is that he actually got on the dais and the people in the. In the White House Correspondents association dinner, obviously they, you know, you invite the guys of formality, but like, to invite this guy who subpoenaed your records who sued you for $20 billion in defamation, who just spent his entire 60 minutes kind of trying to torture. In your profession, didn't feel like it
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B
was necessary sending Justice Department lawyers to the homes of New York Times reporters. Rel. I mean, all these crazy things that. Yeah, I mean, I, I think it's kind of at a pivot moment. I mean, for whether they do this again in the future.
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A
You can do the dinner and you don't have to invite the guy. I mean, I understand you cover him and you want to keep the sort of formality of it, and you want to make sure that you're under, you know, underscoring the importance of the relationship between the president and the press that covers him. That is adversarial, but ultimately it's part of our fabric. And yet it felt a little off. Not gonna lie. All right, let's get to it, Laura.
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B
Let's get to the meat of it.
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A
Yeah, this is the real meat. So, Laura Loomer, and I know you're writing about this and people should subscribe, obviously, to the Bulwark. It's a great. Hey, we have a 14 day free trial run, so subscribe now. What a deal. What is. What's going on with her? She's been in Ukraine. She interviewed Zelinsky. She's done this kind of 180 people are trying to divine whether it's real or not and how real it is and whether she's being paid. Like, what is actually going on with Loomer right now?
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B
You know, it's very interesting, as a noted lumerologist, even I don't have maybe the foremost.
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A
You might be the foremost lumerologist.
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B
Yes, I've got the scars to prove it. You know, the. Yeah, there's so. Right. So as you said, so Loomer has done a complete 180. You know, earlier last week, she was suddenly becoming very pro Ukraine to the extent of even later in the week going to UKRA meeting with Zelinsky. You know, she's been embraced, such as it is, by like the Ukrainian government. She's doing, I mean, she's doing like kind of the classic, like 2022 guys who are like NATO super fans. Things like, I'm going to McDonald's. Like, NATO is, you know, Ukraine is western. So it's interesting. Now look, we have to put on the table here. We don't know if any money has changed hands. Laura has a. Has a history, I would say, regarding like Venezuelan oil exports of taking weird st. And I think there's a Lot of evidence that she was paid for in the Venezuela case, on the other hand. So let's put that aside. That may or may not be true. Well, sure, but I think there's also possibly an ideological, like a real ideological backing here, which is that it's kind of funny here that, like, the Ukraine is kind of the second effect for her versus the MAGA civil war. But I think what happened here is she's seeing Candace and Tucker align with Russia, sort of with Iran against Israel, and she is naturally seeing Ukraine, you know, Ukraine is enemy with Russia, and they're helping, you know, Russia's helping Iran. So I think these lines are kind of becoming firmer in terms of this kind of broader regional, multi regional war. And I think that's why Laura's embracing Ukraine.
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A
So your, your interpretation here is that this has nothing to do with actual geopolitical worldviews or some sort of philosophical awakening on what's happening with Ukraine and Russia. It's literally just if Candace and Tucker are for this, I have to be for that.
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B
I think increasingly she's realizing that, like. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I think the root here is basically Tucker and Candace going to Russia now. You know, also, I mean, it is true that Russia is helping Iran, and Laura's main thing, along with devotion to Trump, is Israel. And I think, you know, interestingly, over the weekend, Ukraine attacked a Iranian tanker, which was sort of a new, a new provocation or new attack for them because it's, you know, it's linked to Russia was carrying Russian oil. So I think Zelinsky is also playing into this idea of like, we're kind of part of this, like, Israel, Trump alliance. This is all the same conflict. And so I don't know if, if there is money changing hands that might be involved here, but she addressed the
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A
idea that she's being paid.
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B
She said, I have donors, but I am not being paid by the Ukrainian government. And this is sort of, it's a little fuzzy. You know, I'm waiting to hear back from her to kind of nail that down. Basically, I think her claim is like, I'm not being paid to go to Ukraine. Maybe my activities in general are funded. You know, that is, I got to
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A
be honest, I have donors, but they're not. The Ukrainian government immediately makes me think they're donors that are close to the Ukrainian government, but not in the Ukrainian government.
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B
But, you know, I will say this also, historically, when Laura, I mean, maybe I'm being naive here. I kind of think she' not being paid. If I had to guess, it's very possible. But I think Trump, I mean, look, Trump is retweeting her posts about Zelinsky. He's saying like, he's become very pro Ukraine recently. So I think there's a lot non monetary stuff pushing her towards Ukraine. If she's kind of just following Trump's lead.
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A
She was pretty jazzed about Trump retweeting her post about Zelensky. How do you think that even happened?
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B
Look, I mean, Trump loves Laura Loomer and that is the reason she's still with us. I mean, he might just.
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A
I mean, do you literally think she was like, hey, Mr. President, like she text,
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B
I'm hanging with Zelensky and He said, okay, 100 more Patriot missiles to Ukraine. I mean, stranger things have happened.
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A
That's truly strange. I did see the picture of her outside of McDonald's in Kiev where like everything else is exploded and she's just eating like a Big Mac or something.
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B
She's become kind of like one of these. She's, she's sort of posing as like, you know, in like the Bosnia War, you would have these like European intellectuals visit Sarajevo. These kind of like Bernard Henri Levy, these kind of like continentals, kind of like amid the war zone. Because she's saying, you know, I don't normally get a hamburger, but I guess in this case I'll make an exception. Yeah, she is exactly.
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A
I'm pretty sure that's a Big Mac. Maybe it's a double. No, that's, that's the. Is that the Big Mac? No, it's a little thin.
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B
It's a situation.
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A
She's bigger.
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B
You know, I do have another, another take on the.
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A
Keep that up. I'm studying this. You talk. Go ahead.
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B
My other take on like the money aspect here is like historically when she's gotten herself in these paid. Allegedly.
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A
I just. For people who are listening and not watching, I just need to describe this shot.
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C
It.
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A
She's got a, a Big Mac or a cheeseburger in her left hand. Nice red nails. She's eating a fry hold held in her right hand. Very nice. Pinky up. She's got what looks to be a large drink, but that could be coffee. I don't know if that's a soda. There's a bag on a table and then in the backdrop is just an absolute bombed out building. And it just feels, I don't know, it feels amazing, to be honest. It's like, look at this photo of. Incredible photo for Laura. Great job.
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D
Yeah.
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B
It's. It's interesting, and she's kind of affecting a new look here. The final thing I would say about the money. Money aspect is, you know, she was probably, if you believe that she was paid about the Venezuelan oil thing or some other things, I don't know, tens of thousands of dollars for that. She just sent a couple tweets now, in this case to pay her to go to Ukraine to take, like, to, you know, such a more prominent pivot of her stance. I'm curious. She's also fallen out with a lot of people on the. On the right. Who are her old buddies. Alex. Well, thank you. I'm going to. Alex Jones has been very critical of her there. You know, that's like her. Her uncle, essentially. And all these people are saying, you know, Laura has become a patsy for the globalists.
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A
I guess the other side of the coin is Zelinsky and the decision that he made to sit down with Loomer, which I think is pretty savvy, honestly. He knows exactly how this stuff works. He knows who actually has influence. He could have sat down with, like, I don't know, David Sanger, maybe he has, or anyone, really. But he's like, you know what the power center is? Loomer.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I. It's pretty smart. I mean, maybe they read these articles about how, like, you know, Laura Loomer, you know, can, you know, maybe if you get a pardon, maybe he read that article where Jacob Wolf said, you know, laura Loomer handles the Jewish pardons. And he said, you know what? Like, this is a lady with Trump's ear for real.
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A
Now, if you think this was just a normal interview, rest assured, Loomer definitely had her Loomer Ish moments. We're going to play one where she asks Zelensky about whether he was doing coke with Macron. Let's play that.
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C
There's a photo I'm sure you saw in a video, and it was highly amplified by Russia. Today. It's you and Macron hanging out in some back room, and they said that you were all doing cocaine. So true or false? Were you doing cocaine with Macron or were you not?
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D
Of course.
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Never. Of course not. What a question. First of all, whatever. If he wants to do Coco Macron, go for it, buddy. You've been doing this, you've been in the war for a while. I feel like you deserve a break. Maybe a little line of coke can help you out, but that's pretty ridiculous line of questioning.
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B
Yeah. I mean, you can see on his face There it's sort of like, all right, year four of the war and it's come to this. I have to. The things I do for my armaments. Yes.
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I mean, it's truly incredible. Tim Pool also weighed in. I just want to clarify this because Tim Pool tweeted something that got a lot of people, including myself, thinking, wow, this is like a full on, like, courtship of the Maga rep by Zelinsky. Pool said he, you know, he also. He hinted that he was also now supportive of Ukraine and that he realized that they're just fighting for their sovereignty and their integrity and their freedom to live. But you quickly snuffed it out and told me to shut up.
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B
I didn't even. Yeah, there was a lot of. Yeah. So Tim Pool tweeted, you know, oh, wow, I have, you know, the scales have fallen from my eyes. I've learned all about Ukraine. Whatever. I. I didn't even bother. You know, I. People were. There was a lot of people tweeting, there's that money washing around here. They even got Tim Pool, who famously, of course, was paid by the Russian government previously. You know, I. Tim Pool loves to troll like this. He loves to tweet these things that are, like, you know, there's some, like, Trump Cove level scandal. And he'll tweet like, trump is over. I hate the Cheeto. And people will go, oh, my God, Trump's lost Tim Pool. So this happens all the time. So again, I. I knew this was fake and I. I appreciated you calling me to apologize and recognizing that.
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A
Yeah, just. I think we should dwell on this for a second because everyone assumes I'm a horrible boss. I told Will to check. I was like, I think this is real. I think something big's happening here. Will was like, sam, you idiot, this is just Tim Pool doing his Tim Pool thing. He likes to troll. I was like, I don't know, man. This seems real. And then we went back and forth. I was like, look, just call Tim Pool, try to get in contact with him. And then it turned out to be fake. And, you know, I'm a magnanimous boss. I admit when I'm wrong. Doesn't happen that often, but I do admit when I'm wrong. And I called Will up and I said, hey, I'm not calling for anything other than to apologize. You were right and I was wrong. And I just felt like I was the better man in that moment for acknowledgement at last.
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B
I've been waiting for. Well, you know, it's funny, I. When I do my Reporting, I have to be aware that the people I'm contacting will often screenshot it and post it and be like, look at this dumb ass reporter.
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A
Whatever.
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B
So I have to kind of like, phrase my things correctly. And so I think in this one, I may or had considered emailing and saying, I know you're trolling, but my colleagues are insisting I reach out to you.
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A
You should have said, my boss, Stein, that dumb moron. Please share this tweet with the public. By the way, Breaking news. Vladimir Zelensky will go to the White House on Tuesday. A White House official confirms to Axios. So this is all coming to a head. I guess we. To your larger point, we kind of are in this. And now these go back and forth. Trump always is like, pro Ukraine, anti Ukraine, pro Russia. Skeptical of Russia. Not really. But I guess we're in this swoon here where it's like, yeah, yeah, after
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B
all the war and everything now I
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thought we were supposed to have this whole thing resolved in 24 hours. By the way, why are we still. Why is this war still happening?
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B
You know, Vladimir, I thought you were caught up in this whole coke scandal. Laura, set me straight. You know, come on by the White House.
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A
All right, well, let's move on because we have so many other topics. But that's a good, good starting point. The next one really broke my brain, honestly. I thought I hadn't really watched it until this morning, and then I watched it and it's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from Joe Rogan and his guests. And I guess part of this maybe is. Is about the Odyssey. I don't know.
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D
You see.
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A
Have you seen the Odyssey yet or.
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C
No?
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B
No, I haven't.
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I saw it on Friday. It's really good. It's honestly really good. Anyways, there's a part of the inland. If you have. If you have not read the Odyssey or seen the movie, there is a island where they encounter giants. And everyone's talking about these giants. If you', line, you know that these are not CGI giants. The Nolan actually got seven foot tall actors to play giants and all. Whatever giants are in, giants are in the news. Okay, I don't know if this has any relation to what Rogan was up to, but Rogan had a guest on. And the. The video came out on Friday and There's like a 14 minute segment where this dude just talks about how we secretly discovered giants in Afghanistan. And I swear to God, I watched it and I felt my brain melting. I Felt, I felt it melting. I'm just gonna set it up and we'll watch a video and then you can explain it. But this guy's talking, he's got this riff going. He's like, oh my God. They, we send like the military into Afghanistan and then these pilots, you know, they uncover this giant. He's like, you know, they, they somehow captured this guy and they brought him on a plane and they told me they're hitting him with their fists and this guy's sol Iraq. And they're asking the Marines what happened? Where did this guy come from? This is huge. This is crazy. Now let's play the video of this guy talking about stupid ass giants in Afghanistan.
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D
There's a team that was out in Afghanistan that was looking for Taliban or something, and they came upon a cave because there was a nearby village and the villagers were bringing food and other artifacts to the mouth of this cave. And so they thought that they're aiding and abetting the Taliban. So they went into the cave and rather than encountering the Taliban, what they found was this enormous humanoid who killed them all.
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C
Wow.
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A
I mean, what the hell? This guy is Timothy Albarino. Who is he?
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B
Yeah. So this guy is like a UFO general kind of Cryptids disclosure. You know, he's got a lot of tall tales, let's say. Or maybe literally in this case, Literally tall tales. Yeah. So this story goes on and on. And so basically what he's saying here is, as you said, so you know, they capture. This is, this is a popular urban myth called the Giant of Kandahar. Now I've seen this fellow before. Can we throw up that other picture of the giant, Giant of Kandahar. This is a. There he is, there he is. So this is kind of a pop. You ever seen this one online, Sam?
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A
I have not.
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B
So there he is. I guess those are the Marines. Okay, well, take him down. He's scary. So basically, as you, as you said. So they see the villagers bringing trinkets, tributes to the cave. Oh, it's probably a mullah hiding in there. They go in, the team gets wiped out. Eventually the US kills the giant, transports him back to the US and he's like 10 foot tall. So a lot smaller, by the way, than that picture that accompanied the Rogan clip.
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A
The one that accompanied, he's like 40 or 50ft. Yeah, he's like, you're not going to get that one on the plane, buddy. Like, that seems impossible.
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B
So, so then basically this guy then kind of relates his story of like hearing this Rumor. And he'll talk to, like, a general or something. He'd be like, what do you know about the Giant of Kandahar? And the guy's like, shut up. You know, my phone is spying on me. Like, we can't discuss the giant. Or people are like, you'll be killed if you talk about the giant. Now, why couldn't we talk about the giant? I don't know. I don't think it's, like, a closely held secret, but that is the Giant of Kandahar. What do you think?
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A
I don't think it's real.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah. I'm just gonna throw in my skeptic hat. I feel like that's one of these things that, like, if you. If you had a big giant and you put it on a plane, probably would have seen a picture of it. It's like, you don't need to keep that one secret. This isn't a ufo. If it's a giant, it's a giant. Like, what's the big deal like that? I mean, it's freaky and everything, but I'm not, like, sure we need to have government secrets over that. Like, I would take a picture. I would like some proof. I don't know.
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B
Yeah, I think you're right. And, you know, well, some of this, I think, believe this guy is also, like, a Nephilim guy.
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A
What the hell's that? Okay, honestly, what is that?
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B
Nephilim. And other folks may know more about this than I do, but I think it's the idea of, like, angels or aliens who are kind of like this superior race called the Nephilim. And so I think the idea is that the giants might be Nephilim, and if we knew about it, then we would know far more about, you know, the origins of. Of humanity or the universe.
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A
I'm looking at his bio. There's not much. I mean, he's obviously a kook. It says that he is an author, lecturer, and explorer whose work bridges the gap between history, mythology, and biblical scholarship. His bestselling book, Birthright, has garnered widespread acclaim, offering a revolutionary perspective on the biblical narrative that resonates in the age of artificial intelligence, transhumanism, and increasing disclosures of alien presence. His research interests are broad and global in scope. That's clear. He has traveled extensively investigating theories in alternative history, the mystery of megalithic builders, the legends of ancient giants, and various facets of UFO phenomenon. How does he have this? I mean, I guess I understand people are into this shit, but, like, does Rogan not. Like, is Rogan into this. Does Ro. Is Rogan, like, a believer? Why does he platform these people?
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B
Rogan loves this stuff. And one thing that was interesting to me as I was reading the comments on this episode as I was watching it, and this is what the Rogan audience wants. They want this a lot more than J.D. vance. Like, you know, they were like, yes, finally, a lunatic. I mean, this is sort of. This is what the audience craves. And, you know, Rogan's really been on a run. I think it was just this last week, again, he had another guy on who said they, like, I believe, kind of like a centric archaeologist who said that if you look at hieroglyphics, that will. That will emit, like, an energy, like a healing energy into your body. And Rogan's producer, Rogan's like, hey, Jamie, you know, look up if that's true. The producer's like, I can just tell you right now that's not true. And then Rogan got a little offended.
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A
Yeah, Rogan was mad at his. His producer Jamie for laughing at the guy. But it's, like, obviously not true because they're literally looking at the hieroglyphics on the screen.
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B
Whoa, whoa.
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A
I feel it. I feel it. Oh, my God.
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B
Anyway, before we move on, can I. Can I look at the psychological underpinnings of the Giant of Kandahar? I'm not moving on.
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A
I think we got to do another five to ten on this.
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B
So. So I was thinking about this, and so this idea has been with us as a country for a while. The Giant of Kandahar. And it makes me think that because the U.S. suffered what I think in some ways was an inexplicable defeat in Afghanistan, like, you might say, we are the strongest military in the world. How could the Taliban beat us? That there is sort of this desire for another explanation, that perhaps a giant was involved.
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A
Wait, they think. Is there a theory that the reason we didn't succeed in Afghanistan is because we secretly encountered giants who repelled us and that no one ever talked about it?
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B
I'm starting that theory now, but I think it just speaks to a larger. I don't think it's quite as coherent as that, but I think this idea that there's some inexplicable third element we couldn't account for that caused our defeat.
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A
Yeah. I guess the question is, why are they in Afghanistan?
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B
It's an ancient land.
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A
Maybe there's other ancient lands.
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B
Those giant Buddhas that the Taliban blew up, big caves. And then also, keep in mind the Cave thing also ties back to the war on terror thing about Osama bin Laden, you know, having those crazy caves that people thought he had, like a whole city under in the cave.
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A
So I think, why do the giants have to live in caves?
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B
Good question. Why can't they just walk amongst us?
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A
Why can't they roam? I mean, they obviously are bigger and better than us. They can kill us. Shouldn't they just conquer us?
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B
Like, maybe we should have this guy on our pod and get to the bottom of it.
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A
I don't know. I feel like he'll. I feel like he's like, well versed in this and that he has answers for any question that I could possibly ask. But it does seem a little bit weird that of all the places you're a giant, let's say you're a giant and you can just, like, you're rock solid, according to this guy, like, impenetrable. And you can just spear anyone and you're just awesome. Like, I wouldn't spend my time in caves in Afghanistan. I kind of go and, like, hang out somewhere.
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C
Cool.
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B
That a cave is the last place a giant should want to live.
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A
Right. Like, I'd go hang out on, like, the Amalfi coast and just kind of like chill in the water and just be like, give me some pasta. I'm hungry, you know, like, why? What do you eat? You're a giant in a cave in Afghanistan. What are you eating? How are you getting your sustenance?
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B
It's a good question. Lambs.
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A
But there can't be that many lambs up there. No. In the mountains of Afghanistan, you're hungry.
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B
You know, I don't think this guy got to the bottom of that aspect. He seemed to be sort of just. Just have figured out the existence of the giants again, though.
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A
How are they staying alive in those caves? Like, there's not much to do. There's not much to eat. And you think that when the, when the, when the US Soldiers kind of stumbled on them, they're like, whoa, whoa, what are these? We haven't seen humans in a while. Is that what happened?
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B
Well, I think he's supposed to be in league somehow with the Taliban or something like that.
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A
Oh, they're part of the Taliban.
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B
Or maybe there's a symbiotic relationship show.
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A
Yeah. How do the giants. Someone's asking, how do the giants feel about, like, capitalism? How do they vote? Like, are they like Republicans or Democrats?
- [26:43]
B
You know, based on this, I'm going to assume that they're Republicans.
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A
Why?
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B
You know, it's kind of like, you know, he's kind of living off the off grid. You know, he's got his compound.
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A
Yeah, but this is the horseshoe theory of politics. Maybe they, maybe they're sort of anti government, but like, you know, they, they appreciate a good social safety net. I don't know. I think we need more research from our friend Timothy.
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B
Yeah, just by. This is like a 40 minute clip that we cut down. It's just like a lot of stories of him being like. Then I was at this other gala and this general's wife again said, don't talk about the giant.
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A
How do they get these things on the plane? Did he explain that?
- [27:22]
B
I mean it's 10ft tall, right? I mean, so it's not like 100ft.
- [27:26]
A
Okay, okay. So you can get on the plane. But they killed the giant and then even though it was dead, the body was rock solid.
- [27:33]
B
You know, I will say this guy talks about a of like you and I are like, he's like, Joe Rogan will be like, it's interesting. They took it to that one military base. A lot of shady stuff goes down.
- [27:42]
A
Yeah.
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B
The guy's like, yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
- [27:45]
A
That. Yeah. That actually raises another question. So they take it to a military basing in Qatar and no one says anything. Do you think the government of Qatar is like, hey, no giants here, please. Like, I don't. We don't, we don't want that here. That, that's too much. Yeah. Someone else asked like, why can't. Has an MBA SC like gone out there looking for these guys.
- [28:10]
B
Smart. Can the Nephilim. Nephilim Basketball Association.
- [28:14]
A
There's a lot of unanswered giant questions from this pod, all right? Segueing from people who are really tall to the people who need height inserts to oh my gosh, why don't you take this one? Because someone in the comments, Timothy Plath path says. Sam, you're doing it again. Let the man talk. Stop interrupting. Timothy. Timothy. A lot of critics out there in the comments. I'm too mean. I interrupt too much this. I'm just gonna shut up and let will speak about his boy, his hero.
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B
Really clavicular. Yes. Okay, folks, clavicular is back from Israel. But it's out of the frying pan into the fire, I fear. So then I have to give a shout out to the bulwark subreddit where I was just cruising and someone said, I can't wait to see this on bag of Monday. So here's the deal. Clavicular had A bit of a scuffle at a Miami nightclub. Now, this is obviously a common issue for clavicular, but there's an interesting fight video. Essentially, the backstory here is a little unclear to me. You know, some people say I had to check out like the clavicular fan forums or whatever. He supposedly smacked a guy. You know, a lot of people kind of try to challenge Clavicular at the club. And to be frank, he kind of, you know, he's not the nicest himself. So. So this fight spills out to the parking lot where two guys who I believe are security guards try to apprehend Clavicular and Drago, Drago, his associate. And now this is kind of a crazy fight, but I just want to show. Let's look at just a little clip of now. Clavicular is facing off against a guy who has, you know, serious male pattern baldness here. He's. He's what? And look, and this is important, right, because in the looksmaxer community that clavicular is a part of, they like, place a lot of importance on your hair. Hair. And so they know every aspect of, you know, the Norwood scale. So that's like how advanced your hair receding is. So let's take a look here at how big killer faces off against this middle aged man, presumably Clavicular, who loves steroids, who loves looking buff. Presumably he'll win this fight. Right?
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A
There's the ball guy.
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B
Oh, Clavicular. He's got him down. He's got him down.
- [30:28]
A
The ball guy is holding clavicular down.