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Oh, hey, Sunny Bunch. I think we're live. I think we're live. Hello, everyone. It's Thursday night. It is 8:54 on the east coast, and we are awaiting what I think is going to be a mass national gaslighting event. And as is often the case with the bulwark, we thought it's best to do these things together if we have to do them at all. I am joined tonight by Sunny Bunch, who has tapped in for the night shift here and to suffer through this with me and you and everyone. So, Sunny, what I want to start with, to do a little table setting is that right now, basically the information we have about the speech that is about to be given is Trump is going to talk about the 2020 election. There are a lot of rumors circulating about what he's going to say. I have seen both, that this is, we know it's going to be some kind of relitigating of the 2020 election, but is it China? That's one thing I've heard. We've also seen people sort of floating that this will be the night that he announces that Maduro is here to tell us that, yes, the 2020 election was interfered with. But I think it's, it's safe to say, I guess we could get surprised, but it's safe, safe to say that tonight he's, he's planning to introduce evidence of some kind that the 2020 election was stolen, specifically in Georgia. Is that your understanding?
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That's my understanding.
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I, you know, there's been a lot,
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there's been a lot of hearsay and conjecture.
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I think Tommy Tuberville was on TV earlier today saying maybe, maybe four or five seats should not have been seated. Maybe four or five seats, seats have
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been stolen, I assume, by Democrats. I can't imagine we would be having this conversation if, if the, you know, if the, the Chinese or Iranians or Venezuelans. The Venezuela theory is my favorite because, like, that's just, that's, that's the most left left field theory that I can imagine.
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I imagine we're also not going to
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get a lot of talk about Russia in 2016. I mean, like, like all of this,
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the big question is like, what is
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the scope and the scale here, right?
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Like, I don't think any serious person
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rejects, for instance, that in 2016 Russia hacked the DNC email, put it on the WikiLeaks, and then, you know, that that ended up influencing the election in a real way. But nobody, I think, would argue that Russia hacked the machines. And no serious person I'm sure there's somebody out there who would, but nobody would say Russia hacked the machines.
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The question, the question for this 2020
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thing is what, what are they going to say?
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I, you know, if, if Donald Trump comes out there and says China hacked
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the machines and Ossoff and Warnock are not senators and they, they don't get
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to be like, what even happens? What even happens?
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Then I don't, I assume nothing because he doesn't have.
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Well, no, I mean, obviously Warnock and Ossoff will be put into handcuffs and they will be marched off of their Senate seats and, and, and Donald Trump will get offered a third term. No, nothing's going to happen. This is, and I think this is, as a table setting matter, just to say where we are. There is both the backward looking portion of this, which is it is very important to Donald Trump and his fraggle fraggle, his fragile, puny ego that he casts doubt on, on the idea that he lost the 2020 election. Time is a flat circle. We have been through this now for years. We are in the middle of a hot war that he started and blundered into. We have high gas prices as a result of it. He's done nothing to lower prices. We obviously have a tariff situation. We have Todd Blanch and what the DOJ is doing. Like, there's a lot of real things that the President of the United States could be focused on, but it appears that the things that he is focused on have nothing to do with the American people elected him to do in 20. Insane as that was of all of you. And so like the backward looking part is about sort of Trump himself. The forward looking part though, and this is the part that makes it important to cover this because look, CBS, NBC, ABC, they're not covering it and good for them. CNN's not covering it. The only broadcast channel, I think that is covering it live is Fox News. But I think for people. And so I get that, I think, I think it is, it is not there. It is totally justified and I think we'd probably be criticizing them if they were carrying it live to say why let everybody sort of let Donald Trump pump these lies into the American ecosystem. Still, on the other hand, and I think the reason we're going to sit down and watch it and absorb it is it's going to tell us a lot about how he's approaching the 2026 election because this is about casting doubt on the results in the future. It is about, I think, laying a predicate potentially for declaring an emergency A state of emergency going into the election so that Donald Trump can have ice on the streets. I just wouldn't put anything past him. I try very hard to be the non alarmist bulwark member while at the same time not being naive to the fact that I think it is pretty clear Trump's going to do whatever he can to try to influence the 2026 election. What do you think?
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Yeah, Sam, Sam Stein, our colleague Sam
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Stein talked to Aaron Bonko Benko earlier today in an about what the actual outcome of this could be in terms of. Like what? Well, you have these election commissions. What do they, what can they do? Can they take the machines? Can they decommission the voting machines? Can they, you know, force paper ballots, you know, whatever. There's, there's a whole series of things that they could do, assuming, of course, that the courts don't stop them.
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And this is, and here again, this
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is the other thing, right? Like whatever Trump announces today, if he announces an executive order, it will immediately be appealed and the courts will stop it. And then we'll have six months of fights over that. That will stretch, that will bleed into probably right up to the election, maybe beyond it, I don't know.
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But as you say, the real goal here is to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, which as all of the intelligence agencies have reported and as bipartisan Senate papers have shouted from the rooftops, this has been the goal
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of every influence operation by the Iranians, by the Chinese, by the enemies of
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America, is to make the American people feel like their democracy is illegitimate. That is, that is the entirety of their goal.
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The Russians are sitting there thinking, you
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think you have good elections, America, you don't.
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Maybe you should not have them think about that. What do you think about that?
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And this has always struck me as
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the most corrosive thing about Donald Trump. This of course plays into January 6th and all that and the riots to try and over like the, the, the end of the peaceful transfer of power and all that stuff, that bad enough.
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But to continue doing it, to continue doing it for years and years and years, to look back now, six years later and say I couldn't possibly have lost this election. I couldn't possibly have cost us these two seats in Georgia with my nonsense
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after the fact demanding, you know, recounts and saying that it wasn't legitimate and
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blah, blah, blah, like I just, it, that's the thing that drives me craziest about Donald Trump. And as you said, Sarah, a lot of people who either voted for Donald Trump this time around or oh sorry.
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Said he had him but all right, he's going. Thanks for being punctual.
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Donald Trump murderers many of whom killed more than one person. We had transgender for everybody men and women sports play in the heads ravaging our cities and the whole world was laughing at us as a nation. But not anymore. 2 years ago Disagree our country was dead. Now we are the hottest country anywhere in the world. America is respected like we have never been respected before. We have disagree being invested in the United States than at any time in the history of our country. More Americans are working today than ever before. This week it was announced that inflation saw the largest monthly decline in more than six years. Just happened, just given up.
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That's because it had gone up a
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bunch reported it and we accept it. The best in six years. The tax cuts in our great big beautiful bill are saving hardworking families thousands and thousands of dollars. Like with the provisions. No tax on tips, no tax on overtime and no tax on Social Security for our great seniors along with the elections to purchase a car.
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What if he just doesn't? What if it's just that is made
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in America and a 100% expensing for our job creating businesses. Our stock markets are at their highest point in many years, but we can actually say of all time. And your 401ks pensions and retirement accounts are setting records every single day, the highest in history. For years we paid the highest price for prescription drugs anywhere in the world. Now we pay the lowest price under my most favored nations policy because I was able to get the rest of the world and the pharmaceutical companies to act responsibly. Drug prices are coming down by 70, 80 and 90% TrumpRx.gov, this will ultimately reduce the cost of health care. You have to go to trumprx.gov and take advantage of it. It's like a parody of health care is coming way down because of what we've done with prescription drugs and with Trump accounts. Every child in America now has access to a tax free investment account to save for their future. Billions and billions of dollars are being invested put in by companies and individuals to take care of our children so that at age 18 they will have potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in their account and they'll get off to a great start.
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Congrats Trump, you invented savings accounts.
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Go to trumpaccounts.gov and sign up your child or any child you'd like to sign up.
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Just I don't understand why the broadcast
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networks don't want to Run this to
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the most secure borders in the history of our country. I've heard this speech verbatim a lot of times committed to the United States in the past 14 months. That is zero. Nobody thought it was possible. We had the worst border in the history of our country, and now we have the best. Crime is plummeting nationwide.
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Yeah, we're just shooting people in the streets.
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At its lowest level since 1900 or more than 125 years ago. We're making a record investment in our armed forces, and we have the strongest and most powerful military by far anywhere in the world. I built it during my first term, and unfortunately, we're forced to use it now. We won in Venezuela, which is now working with us to produce millions and millions of barrels of oil. We are likewise winning.
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Are we getting Venezuelan oil? I'm pretty sure we're not.
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The fruits of that labor. Very, very shortly. America is back and doing really well. But we still have a major challenge that must be urgently addressed.
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Here we go.
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Because no country could be great without fair and honest elections. You have to trust your country. Because if there can be no trust, there can be no greatness. And that's very simple. No trust, no greatness. For many years, I've called for bold,
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swift and decisive action to protect the integrity of America's elections.
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Did he turn into a robot?
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Yeah.
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That vote will be counted accurately in a system, and that is to make that system secure. One where cheating and interference are not just difficult, but virtually impossible. Unfortunately, we have to listen to them like this catastrophically.
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This is amazing. Oh, I liked robot Donald Trump.
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Thanks.
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Intelligence revealing shocking vulnerabilities in our election infrastructure. This evidence shows that the election system we have dangerously exposes and really exposes like levels never thought possible to hacking, exploitation and foreign interference.
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Hey, Herbert, is this our feed or his feet?
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I think it's the Reuters for many
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years covered up and hidden from you.
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It's the feed.
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Unfortunately, people are beautiful. Our great American people.
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Meaning it sounds like this everywhere changes right now.
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The documents we will release starting tonight have been gathered by the White House Government Transparency Task Force, a great group of people, along with the staff of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
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Somebody in the think said it's mine on ap.
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Top intelligence agency chiefs who have all personally reviewed the findings we are presenting this evening and fully confirmed their authenticity. You can see these documents for yourself@WhiteHouse.gov that's WhiteHouse.gov go check it out. Our purpose in disclosing this information is not to weaken Confidence in election but to earn that confidence by confronting vulnerabilities and correcting them very, very quickly. And that's what we're doing. The documents cover five major areas of concern. First, they show that over a period of years Starting during the 2020 election cycle, the People's Republic of China carried out what is believed to be the largest compromise of election data in history, resulting in China's illicit acquisition of 220 million US voter files. That information includes names, addresses, phone numbers, political party preferences and other sensitive.
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Chris, are you getting us a different feed?
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Mild preference for the bad feed. Just so I can hear what he's saying.
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Yeah, exactly. What was happening.
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There we go.
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Data loss presents an unprecedented election.
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Thanks Chris.
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Nightmare.
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The intelligence even shows that China signed a data exploitation unit specifically to this new project. Compounding the travesty, the second set of documents we are releasing reveals that members of the deep state, very, very famous group of people, many cases in our intelligence agency, work to actively suppress and downplay information about the extent of China's sinister election meddling, covering it up from both the President and the American people. Like nobody thought was possible. U.S. spy agencies began learning about the compromise of voter registration files in 2020 when they discovered that tens of millions of voter data. Think of that. Tens of millions of voters data in 18 states have been bought, stolen or hacked by China. Yet those responsible for sounding the alarm instead kept the information secret and hidden. They did not disclose to me as President or to anyone else and to the best of our knowledge they did not inform Congress. In fact, all they kept saying is this is the most secure election in the history of our country. A standard, very pat line that was divvied out. To say the COVID up of this colossal security breach is even more disturbing in light of the additional information showing that China engaged in other election related activities to undermine my first administration and our 2020 campaign. They did not want and they just didn't want it. They fought like hell not to have it. Donald Trump to win and for good reason. As the documents we are releasing show, CIA reporting explicitly stated, and I quote, in mid-2018, the Chinese Communist Party's policy was to leverage all domestic and foreign elements that were opposed to the US President in an effort to reduce the US President's votes and make him resign or prevent his reelection. Isn't that nice? Also in mid-2018, China was working to influence the results of the US midterm elections and later the results of the 2020 presidential election itself. Separately in mid-2019, the Chinese government's strategy against the United States was focused on undermining domestic confidence in the US President. They wanted to just make you sound like your president wasn't so hot when actually your president has done a great job.
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I was great.
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Everything possible. It was great in 2019going on, this document says, and this is by the CIA. The strategy included efforts to use Chinese contacts with big U.S. companies to influence U.S. business leaders to turn against the President of the United States of America. The Chinese government sought to identify US Journalists who had reported negatively on the US President and pay them large sums of money to write more negative articles about him. As many as they could, and they didn't care what they said. The Chinese government wanted US President to lose the next election. And the reason they wanted me to lose is because they knew I was wise to them, charged them billions and billions of dollars worth of tariffs and built the strongest military anywhere in the world. We have the strongest military anywhere in the world. These are exact quotes from the CIA reporting. The name of the person doing the quote is now under review. But it gets even worse. Raw intelligence obtained by the FBI in 2020, yet buried by rogue bureaucrats, stated that China's activities even included an attempt to manufacture illegal ballots for Joe Biden. Documents show that during this period, dozens of significant CIA and NSA reports about China's election targeting were kept out of the presidential briefing. These were briefings I would get almost every day. Everything was kept out that was of importance. One email among intelligence analysts admitted that they had, quote, deliberately massaged the presidential daily briefing to withhold information regarding Chinese activities related to the election. Another official inside the FBI wrote that she was running, quote, a shadow government, unquote, to keep intelligence about China's election meddling from becoming known and to keep it away from the honorable press. Other officials who witnessed such efforts perceived the motivations to be blatantly political. Recently we found significant numbers of burn bags in formation. And this is a group of bags that were used to destroy information given by President Barack Hussein Obama to be burned. It was supposed to be burned. These bags were supposed to be at a different level by different people, incinerated and checked, but it never happened. Maybe we got lucky. We believe this was not done on purpose, but rather through gross incompetence of the people that were supposed to burn the bags. But the findings are stunning. Today I'm asking the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of justice, the FBI and the CIA to investigate how and why such crucial information was hidden to Fire those involved in the COVID up and to file criminal charges if appropriate against these people. Yet concealing China's meddling was only the beginning. The third set of documents we are releasing proves that for many years Americans were blatantly lied to about the security of our election infrastructure, including electronic voting machines and ballot counting systems. Dishonest. Almost all. They're vulnerable and they're easily compromised. And people within our government knew that. Tonight we're publishing a series of previously classified US Intelligence community assessments and other reports proving that our government has long known these machines are extremely exposed to attack. As one assessment states, we judge that the United States adversaries, including at a minimum Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, as well as non state groups have the capability to compromise US election infrastructure. That's unquote. But that's some statement, isn't it? Made by supposedly great patriots of our country. Supposedly document goes on to further state that quote. We assess that centralized election related data repositories such as voter registration databases, poll books and other official election websites are most vulnerable to exploitation. And adversaries could use this access to these systems to disrupt election processes within the United States of America. Tonight we're releasing all of those findings and spanning from January 2020 to June 2026, this is a cyber threat aimed at the very heart of our democracy. Many people have questioned whether it could actually be possible to electronically manipulate vote totals or change election results on these terrible machines. Today we are releasing documents that show the CIA obtained reporting of a specific plot to do a big number in favor of the corrupt Maduro regime in Venezuela. And that's exactly what happened. Conspiring to digitally rig their own country's elections in 2020. And that's what they did. This reporting included precise details about methods to regime develop to digitally alter vote totals in ways that could not be detected even with an audit. No matter how deep they went. This intelligence underscores why we must take urgent action to ensure that our own system can never ever be hacked or compromised like it was in the past. The fourth set of documents reveals that even when significant evidence of fraud has been detected, it has been buried and covered up. Among the disclosures tonight are FBI files detailing evidence of alleged fraud by a large scale voter registration operation in Michigan. In 2020, Michigan State Police raided a Democrat get out the vote organization corrupt group in Muskegon. And we're so concerned by what they found. They were just so concerned, concerned they couldn't believe it actually that they contacted the FBI in Detroit. The documents state that some canvassers admitted to FBI agents that they signed voter registration forms and other people's names, submitted fraudulent registration for people who did not exist, and received gift cards tied to their number of applications that they produced. In other words, it was pay play and cheat. The FBI agents working on the case believe that crimes were committed, yet the Biden Department of Justice slow walked the investigation and killed it. Tonight I'm asking the FBI Director to ensure that the matter is fully investigated and to work with the Department of Justice to prosecute those responsible for any crimes. Finally, to reveal just how vulnerable our elections continue to be, we are releasing the results of a stunning investigation by the Department of Homeland Security. According to the DHS review state voter rolls and public records, they identified approximately 278,000 non citizens who are registered to vote in federal elections. Since Democrats review 278,000 files, the real number is actually much higher than that.
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The real number is much higher.
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Even this limited analysis found more than a quarter of a million foreigners illegally registered to vote. Put together these disclosures reveal an election system so broken and so vulnerable that no one can possibly defend it. It is not defensible. Hundreds of millions of US voter files are in the hands of foreign governments. Our machines and ballot counting systems are exposed to hacking and manipulation and corruption. China and other countries have been trying to meddle in our elections. Evidence of fraud has been buried. Hundreds of thousands of non citizens and dead people are listed and active on
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the there's not a single real thing in here.
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And yet we still have elections with no voter id, no proof of citizenship, and tens of millions of ballots floating aimlessly through the mail. As one example of the insanity, California's recent election for mayor of LA and governor was held on June 2nd. Long time ago. Oh, California completed a few days ago on July 10th. Think of that. Much more than one month.
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So many, so many days a month
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to count the votes. I wonder what they were doing.
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They should counting the votes. That's what they were doing.
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Third world country. There's no third world country that has elections like we have. In a rare move, NBC and ABC Fake News have both said that they would not cover this speech. They knew what it was about because of the fact that they don't like the topic because they know how corrupt our system is and they don't want to reveal it. They and others in the media are part of a plot. They want to continue this fraud. For whatever reason, they want to keep it going. They want to protect the radical left. They can't have a great country. And that's true. You can't have a great country without free and fair elections. Fraud like this should mean a revocation of their licenses. They use our public multi billion dollar in value airways for Absolutely he's going
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to revive the networks.
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All we want is honesty in our elections and honesty in reporting. They pay nothing for multi billion dollar assets. Sure, great damage has been done to our country. Our elections were left vulnerable to being rigged and stolen and the trust of the American people was lost. This cannot be allowed to continue. Every American, whether you're a Republican, Democrat, Independent or otherwise, should be able to agree that we deserve the most secure, honest and fair election system anywhere in the world. Yeah, we have secure election. Should be a partisan. Really should just. We should be a partisan together.
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Oh, we should be together.
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Republicans, Independents, everybody.
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Why can't we all just get out?
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It should not be a partisan issue. It should cause to unite us, not to divide us. This should be a cause. We should be united, not divided. In light of the brand new and irrefutable information I have revealed tonight, my administration is in the process of notifying the states whose election data was compromised by the People's Republic of China and many others. We will be working closely to mitigate any harm and we're taking swift action to ensure that sensitive voter data is better protected. So we can never be bought, we can never be hacked, and we can never watch us.
Date: July 17, 2026
Main Panelists: Sarah Longwell (Host, "A"), Sunny Bunch (B), "C", and "D" (Live Trump Feed), plus occasional references to Sam Stein and other Bulwark colleagues.
This special Bulwark live episode offers real-time analysis and reaction to Donald Trump’s much-anticipated prime-time speech, which focused primarily on re-litigating the 2020 election and alleged foreign interference—pivoting especially toward new claims of massive Chinese involvement. The Bulwark team discusses the speech’s key claims, the strategy and implications behind Trump’s messaging, the mainstream media’s decision not to carry the speech live, and broader threats to American democratic processes.
[00:02–05:45]
Expectations for Trump’s Speech
Media’s Role & Bulwark’s Justification
Why it Matters
[08:04–29:47]
Opening with Hyperbole and Self-Aggrandizement
Pitching Government Websites and Programs
Border and Crime Claims
The Pivot: Election Fraud Allegations and Foreign Meddling
China Conspiracy and Suppression by ‘Deep State’
Domestic Sabotage: FBI, NSA, and ‘Shadow Government’
Defamation of Election Technology and State-Level Fraud
Allegations of Mass Voter Fraud
Media as Co-Conspirators
Culminating Call to Action
Throughout; highlights below
Fact-Checking and Satire
Contextualizing Trump’s Tactics and Threats
Broader Implications for Democracy and Institutions
On Media Responsibility
Sighs, Jokes, and Frustration
On Trump’s Motivations:
“It is very important to Donald Trump and his fragile, puny ego that he casts doubt on the idea that he lost the 2020 election.” (A, [03:01])
On Media Responsibility:
“It is totally justified… to say why let everybody sort of let Donald Trump pump these lies into the American ecosystem.” (A, [04:52])
On Democracy and Information Warfare:
“The real goal here is to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, which… has been the goal of every influence operation by the Iranians, by the Chinese, by the enemies of America…” (B, [06:33])
On the Corrosive Impact:
“The most corrosive thing about Donald Trump… is to continue doing it for years and years… to look back now, six years later and say, I couldn’t possibly have lost this election.” (C, [07:16])
Satirical Interjections:
“Congrats Trump, you invented savings accounts.” (A, [11:01])
“There’s not a single real thing in here.” (A, [27:33])
This Bulwark episode is emblematic of the outlet’s commitment to live fact-checking, analysis, and an insistence on good-faith democratic engagement. The panel contextualizes Trump’s prime-time speech as both a retread of old grievances and an escalation with novel, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories drawn from the toolbox of authoritarian disinformation. Their real-time reactions blend humor and alarm, offering listeners both debunking and a reminder of why continued vigilance and responsible journalism are critical for preserving democracy in the face of persistent challenge.