Even Republicans Hate Trump’s America 250 Lineup

Summary

The Bulwark Podcast

Episode: Even Republicans Hate Trump’s America 250 Lineup
Date: June 1, 2026
Hosts: Sam Stein (A), Co-host (B)

Episode Overview

In this MAGA Mondays episode, Sam Stein and his co-host dissect the debacle surrounding the Trump-backed America250 celebrations—the ill-fated 250th birthday extravaganza for the United States. They explore the deep embarrassment caused by a parade of canceled musical acts, a failed attempt at large-scale patriotic festivities, and the implications for the MAGA movement's relationship with culture and entertainment. The episode also dives into the resurgence and internal squabbles of the Proud Boys around an ICE facility in New Jersey, offering a satirical, caustic, and sometimes self-deprecating take on the state of right-wing politics and culture in America.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The America250 Musical Lineup Meltdown

(00:00–14:59)

• Trump’s Floundering Musical Celebration

  • Trump’s America250 celebration faced mass cancellations, with a dwindling lineup that included acts like Vanilla Ice and a nearly unrecognizable version of Milli Vanilli.
  • Even MAGA loyalists seemed underwhelmed. Sam notes, “Even the graphic looks bad. And I think a lot of these people were like, wait, hold on a second.” (02:22)

• Artist Embarrassment and Backpedaling

  • Some artists, like Martina McBride, dropped out after realizing the event's political slant and lack of star power.
  • “Why would I… Even if you put aside the patriotism, I’m not appearing next to… It’s not even Milli Vanilli, it’s like Millie and his backup singers. So it would be a huge embarrassment. So no wonder they quit.” (02:22, A)

• Conservative Reaction: An Admission of Cultural Defeat

  • Right-wing influencers, such as Matt Walsh, aired their complaints about the inability to attract even “washed up” performers.
  • Notable quote: “They invited a bunch of washed up has beens and now even washed up [are] bailing on them.” – Recap of Matt Walsh’s comment (03:07, B)

• Freedom250 vs Official America250 Mandate

  • Two dueling organizations exist: a Congressional commission and “Freedom250,” Trump’s own group that fumbled the DC celebrations.
  • “Freedom250 has sort of like a stranglehold on a lot of the D.C. celebrations, whereas… the other operation [runs things] elsewhere in the country.” (05:28, B)

• Host’s Personal Anecdote:

  • Sam’s tweet criticizing the lineup’s collapse got him accused by Rick Grenell of “rooting for America’s failure.” Sam’s mother even picked up on the online spat thanks to a Google alert.
  • “Rick… he is the best at his business, truly. You know, if you meet him in person, he’s quite a nice guy, but online, he’s a… he’s a dick.” (06:24, A)

• Proposed Conservative Solutions: “Dadgum” Simplicity

  • Clip from Rep. Tim Burchett (TN): He proposes an all-Nashville, “dadgum” patriotic lineup led by John Rich and Kid Rock, culminating with Lee Greenwood singing “God Bless the USA.”
  • “This would be the world stage. Be the largest stage in the world… all these folks come in… all we’d have to do is pay for their dadgum airfare…” (07:51, C)
  • Hosts mock the “grandpa” optimism and lack of music industry know-how in Burchett’s approach.

• Social Media Clamor for John Rich

  • Right-wing commentator “Catturd” and fans push for John Rich to save the celebration.
  • “Everyone start pushing John Rich. Give my buddy John Rich a call in an hour. He could have the most badass Patriot musicians in Nashville ambiance. Put on a 2050 celebration for the ages. Let’s do this.” (10:28, A)
  • John Rich’s lukewarm response—“I could do this.” so late in the game—draws ridicule.

• Bottom-Barrel Backup Acts

  • Rachel Holt, an obscure country artist (10K Spotify listeners), is floated as a new headliner, underlining the talent vacuum.
  • “I gotta say, I’m not a country music expert. So I was like, maybe this is a huge person right now. She has 10,000 monthly listeners on Spotify, folks.” (11:38, B)

• Hosts Reflect on the Sadness of the Failure

  • While the hosts delight in MAGA’s public embarrassment, they admit the failure is bittersweet on America’s 250th.
  • “We should… collectively be celebrating the 250th, and watching it be reduced to rubble… is kind of depressing in a way.” (12:29, A)
  • “I thought, this could be millennials’ chance… instead we’re getting this…” (13:10, B)

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2. Trump, MAGA, and Cultural Decline

(14:00–14:59)

• Waning Enthusiasm for Trump World

  • Right-wing commentators interpret the fiasco as a sign that even MAGA’s cultural moment has faded.
  • “Do you know Donald Trump? Have you ever seen anything this guy does?...instead we’re getting this…” (13:10, B)
  • Even reviled or obscure acts don’t want to risk the political fallout of playing a Trump event.

• New Boldness Among Entertainment and Sports Figures

  • Co-host references New York Giants linebacker Abdul Carter publicly opposing his Trump-supporting QB, symbolizing a larger shift in willingness to speak out.
  • “Maybe people are finally actually willing to say stuff in the world of sports and… entertainment.” (14:59, A)

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3. Proud Boys at Delaney Hall and Their Factional Lunacy

(15:00–22:45)

• Proud Boys Protest at NJ ICE Facility

  • A ragtag group of Proud Boys staged a protest (with a tray of Costco cookies in tow) at Delaney Hall, quickly becoming the butt of the hosts’ jokes for their appearance and lackluster showing.
  • “These are big men with guts and they have their faces covered… cookies. Those guys eat a fair number of cookies.” (17:31–18:06, A)

• Factional Disarray in the Proud Boys

  • The main Proud Boys group disavows the NJ faction, blaming their split on associations with known federal informants.
  • “These are not real Proud Boys. Don’t be fooled. This is a splinter faction… We don’t, they don’t represent us.” (18:45, B)
  • Layers of irony: both sides accuse each other of working with federal agencies despite their original leaders’ own histories as informants.
  • “One [way] is not following their rigorous rules against masturbation… you’re allowed to masturbate once a month. If you break that rule, you’re out, brother.” (21:11, B)

• Proud Boys’ Anniversary: Absurd Nativist Pilgrimage

  • Instead of being at the protest, “real” Proud Boys celebrated their 10th anniversary by marching to the grave of Bill the Butcher, a 19th-century nativist—“immortalized by Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs of New York.”
  • “Do they wank at the grave?... They better not. Gavin [McInnes] won’t be happy.” (22:21, A & B)

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Memorable Quotes

• On the Lineup Collapse:
  “You know, as you said, these were already acts who were pretty washed up… once it came out, they were like, oh man, this looks kind of busted.” – (03:07, B)

• On How Easy This Should Be:
  “His vibe there was really like… when people, zoomers, are like, I can’t get a job, and then their grandpa’s like, just go in there with your resume… It’s a little more complicated, Grandpa.” – (10:01, B)

• On the Failed Culture War:
  “It is crazy to me, this idea that like, the full force of the Trump administration… has had more than a year now to plan this… Now, I guess we’re going to pull it together in three weeks after everyone else bailed.” – (10:56, B)

• On Public Shaming:
  “Shut up. Okay? Those people would absolutely criticize people online for their ethnicity and for how they look. And if they can do it, I can do it back to them. Shut up.” – (19:40, A)

• Culture Moment Reflection:
  “Maybe people are finally actually willing to say stuff in the world of sports and… entertainment.” – (14:59, A)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Highlight | |------------|------------------| | 00:00–05:10 | Opening banter, rundown on America250 lineup shambles | | 05:10–07:26 | Who’s in charge? Freedom250 vs America250, Rick Grenell anecdote | | 07:26–11:14 | Rep. Burchett’s dadgum plan, John Rich social push, Twitter drama | | 11:14–12:29 | Bottom-barrel acts being considered, sadness at celebration's collapse | | 13:10–14:59 | Reflection on Trump’s inability to “own culture” | | 15:00–19:40 | Proud Boys at Delaney Hall, factional drama, cookie jokes | | 21:11–22:21 | The Proud Boys’ “no wanks” rule and their nativist cemetery pilgrimage |

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Tone and Style

• Language: Satirical, sardonic, sometimes self-effacing; frequent sarcasm and asides
• Emphasis: Pointing out both shallowness and genuine sadness at the failure of what should be a great national moment
• Perspective: Clear pro-democracy, anti-MAGA bias; happy to highlight hypocrisy and infighting on the right

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Takeaway

This episode delivers both biting humor and genuine lament over the depths of Trump-era cultural politics. From the collapse of the America250 celebration to the internal absurdities of the Proud Boys, the hosts argue that even Republicans are tired of the state of Trump’s America and its attempts at spectacle. The show suggests—through wry commentary and memorable moments—that America’s patriotic milestones deserve better, and the cultural influence of MAGA is, at long last, waning.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, what's up, Will? Summer, how you doing, buddy? I'm Sam Stein. It's MAGA Mondays, folks. We got a whole, whole set of things to go through. But I will, I'll just say this. I've been listening to Big and Rich all morning. Well, because I'm just getting myself ready for the 250th birthday musical act. It seems like there was a lot of momentum in Megaland building to just, you know, basically everyone's canceled, so why not just get John Rich or Big and Rich to come and bring his Nashville friends and they could perform? So I've been looking, I've been listening to some, some, some of their tunes. You know, save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy. Everyone knows that one. I'm partial to. Get my fake id. I, I think I got that right. I don't know if I got that right. Looks like it was from the Mus from the Footloose movie. Do you have a favorite?

[B]

You know, as I was saying to you, I'm more of a Toby Keith fan myself. I, I, I sort of miss the Big and Rich wave. Although, of course, we all do know save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy.

[A]

All right, folks, welcome back to MAGA Mondays. We got a lot to go through. Oh, we're gonna start with the 250th anniversary over the weekend. If you missed out, it looked like Donald Trump basically was saying he's gonna cancel the musical acts. Big. Well, there's not much to cancel. How many were left? Vanilla Ice.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I think Vanilla Ice. And like, maybe one more.

[A]

Okay, so we had two left. And basically he was like, you know what? Screw these people. I'm just gonna do it myself. And, and he kind of teased that there was going to be just a big Trump rally and that was going to be it. And we're going to have to endure one of those meandering hour and a half speeches that Trump gives everywhere he goes. It's the same shtick, but that's what you get when you cancel all these musical rallies. And McGarl didn't take it too well. I thought. I, you know, there, usually you would think that they're going to be like, hell, yeah, let's do it. Well, that was not the case this time.

[B]

Yeah, this is an interesting one. I mean, I think, as you said, I mean, these were already acts who were like, pretty washed up. Milli Vanilli.

[A]

How dare you.

[B]

I know. I, the, the country music singer woman whose name is Escape, Martha McBride. Yes, yes. And so once those people Fled. And by the way, that was a pretty funny one because they were like, oh, I didn't know this was a political event, but really nothing changed. I think it just, once it came out, they were like, oh, man, this looks kind of busted. You know, even the graphic looks bad. And I think a lot of these

[A]

people were like, wait, hold on a second. Imagine you're Martha McBride, okay? And I know she got a lot. No, yeah, Martin McBride. Sorry. And imagine you're Martin McBride and you, you're told, hey, we're going to do this big sort of 250th anniversary celebration. It's going to be huge crowds, lots of, you know, people on the mall. You're going to be playing to, you know, it's patriotic, it's not political. And then the first news you get is an infographic and it's you, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli. And you're like, holy. Like, why am I, Why would I do that? Even if you put aside the patriotism, I'm not appearing next to. It's not even Milli Vanilli. It's like Millie and his backup singers. So it would be a huge embarrassment. So no wonder they quit.

[B]

Oh, exactly. I mean, it looked, even setting the politics aside, it looked like really like a sort of shambolic operation. And so all these people bail. You might expect that MAGA people would say, oh, this is so unfair. There was a little bit of, Martina McBride, how could you do this to us? We won't forgive you. But what's interesting to me was there was just a lot of talk about, like, man, we really cannot find anyone who wants to be associated artistically with the Trump administration. People like Matt Walsh. Do we have that Matt Walsh tweet we can take a look at? He says, what a mess. They invited a bunch of washed up has beens and now even washed up bailing on them. Yet another reason why they're right wing get. Literally any famous person we can approach is he says the R word here. So, you know, I think the. It is funny that this idea of like, they're just really down in the dumps later. Matt Walsh, by the way, would say conservatives need to retake the culture. By the way, his employer, the Daily Wire, is currently on fire because they spent so much money trying to retake the culture. But that kind of gives you a sense of the reaction to America250.

[A]

We talked about this last week and doesn't. I mean, we'll get to it, I suppose, because it segues nicely. But yes, they're all. Much of the musical acts who are willing to be associated with MAGA are kind of like these kind of washed up figures, but they didn't even go for them. Right. Like, Kid rocks out there. He does every single MAGA thing. He did. What was the TPUSA halftime show? He did that. Yeah.

[B]

Why don't. This was curious to me, why they didn't get like, the TPUSA halftime shoe, all these classics like Big and Rich or John Rich, Kid Rock. I mean, there are people they could draw on. I don't know if they were like, saving them for the July 4th concert or what have you, but. But it seems a little odd that they weren't involved.

[A]

Yeah. Explain this to me. So this is not the July 4th concert. This is in June. It's a bunch of dates that we're going to be celebrating the 250th.

[B]

Yeah. So it's these. These dates kind of leading up to July 4th. And so it's a little unclear because this thing imploded, like, on the launchpad. I don't think we even got the dates for, like, this is the day Milli Vanilli will play. But they were like, this is what's coming. And then. So it was this lead up, and now that is not going to happen.

[A]

What. Who's in charge of putting. That's the other thing about this. So there's two rival organizations. One was sort of mandated by Congress, and then Trump decided to do his own organization, Freedom250. And Freedom250 is the one that put this together. And do we know who's involved with Freedom 250 by any chance?

[B]

You know, I don't think we know a lot of the names. They're not, I'd say, like marquee, like Trump World. Not kind of the classic operatives. But. But the. You're the. Freedom250 has sort of like a stranglehold on a lot of the D.C. celebrations, whereas a lot of the stuff elsewhere, where in the country is. Is run by the other operation.

[A]

Okay. I'll just say this.

[B]

It.

[A]

It does appear like, you know, Trump allies are not taking this well. I only know this from a personal anecdote, which is I put up a pretty anodyne tweet about wanting to see some sort of journalism about what had happened here, because it's a pretty big failure, right, that you put out an infographic with nine folks, seven of them or six of them bow out, and then you're left with Millie with Vanilla Ice. So I was like, I put out a tree. I was like, hey, it would be really interesting to see a story about what went wrong here. I. I feel like that's a fairly unoffensive tweet. Rick Grinnell, one of the great lurkers

[B]

on the platform who Twitter ragers.

[A]

Yeah, I love Rick because he, you know, he. He. It is just. He is the best at his business, truly. You know, if you meet him in person, he's quite a nice guy, but online, he's a. He's a dick. Anyways, he tweets at me about how I'm rooting for America's failure. I didn't see it because I brought. I blocked Rick a while ago, but it did get picked up by Mediaite. And I know this because my mom, who still has Google alerts for my name, saw it on the media article and shared it with me and was wondering if I'm okay. And I told my mom, I'm fine. I'm not bothered by Rick. All right. You mentioned John Rich.

[B]

Well, he's a man who knows about musicians canceling after running the Kennedy Center. So it's a sensitive issue.

[A]

Yeah, Rick is in charge of the Kennedy Center. He basically had all the big acts canceled for that. They tried to revamp it. Then they're like, we're going to close it. And then I guess a judge over the weekend was like, actually, you can't do that. Although they might still close it. They just can't change the name. We'll see what happens. Anyways, let's talk about John Rich. So, yeah, so go ahead.

[B]

So I was just going to say, so Trump comes out, and then he says, you know what? Screw it, Milli Vanilli. We don't need him. I'll do the speech. And so then this leads to this kind of second wave of reaction where these MAGA people are like, oh, Jesus, another Trump speech. You know, we've all seen this show before. And so this kind of sets off the idea of we have Tim Burchett from Tennessee, who's like, God, we got to save this thing somehow.

[A]

Let's play that clip.

[C]

What we ought to do is my suggestion would be get your friend and my friend John Richard, great musician, to lead it off. He's got some great patriotic tunes he's written, and he sings, and it's just awesome. And let him emcee the dadgum thing and have all these folks come in. There's plenty of acts in Nashville, people that are trying to get on, you know, get on a big stage. Like this. This is the world stage. Be the largest stage in the world. Everybody in the country will be watching this dadgum thing and let some of those musicians get out and sing a few songs. All we'd have to do is pay for their dadgum airfare, most of them, just to get them up there, and they'd love it. And Kid Rock, nobody's more patriotic in the rock and roll world than he is. And he's awesome. And then I know you got his number. Heck, I've been with him when he's called you. And then the finale would be cool to have Lee Greenwood come out and sing. He's got a bunch of great songs. But of course, the ending would be God Bless the USA and have all the other acts come out and sing along with him. And maybe they could do a single verse. Kid Rock or. Or John Rich or something could do one of the verses. And I think that would be awesome. Have all those great stars up on stage. And anyway, if y' all got any ideas of some. Some groups that would. From your area that would be willing to play, how about tagging them in this. In this story and let's see if we can make this thing happen. So anyway, defeated. Thank you so much for sending me.

[B]

You know, you can tell how seriously he's taking it. He's walking for some reason. You know, he's like, ah, you know, record a voice memo for a text. You know, what are your thoughts on that? Well, I was.

[A]

I. I feel bad. We should have tagged. We should have seen who tagged him with different suggestions. I really curious who's put in there, but that was like a. That was like a, you know, the most obvious suggestion of artists you could possibly imagine coming from someone. We're gonna get kid, and we're going to have Lee Greenwood, God bless the usa, is going to finish it off. It's going to be epic. So I was blown away by how conventional it was, but that's where we're at.

[B]

You know, his vibe there was really like, you know, when people zoomers are like, I can't get a job. And then their grandpa's like, just go in there with your resume. Like, that was like, this guy clearly has no experience with, like, music promotion or anything, where he's just like, well, we got to pay for. Is the dad gum. Airbnb put them up. And I was like, it's a little more complicated, Grandpa. You know, this idea that. And here's. Here's what cracks me up about this. And then John Rich, he Says, you know, okay, I guess I'll get the, you know, we'll go.

[A]

Well, we'll get to that. Because cat turd. Cats are put up. The cats or tweet, because Gatsard starts pushing John Rich too. Everyone start pushing John Rich. Give my buddy John Rich a call in an hour. He could have the most badass Patriot musicians in Nashville ambiance. Put on a 2050 celebration for the ages. Let's do this. And then, yeah, John Rich gets in on it. Let's put up John Rich. This is true.

[B]

This is true. The most lukewarm. I could do this.

[A]

I could do this.

[B]

I mean, it is just crazy to me, this idea that like, okay, so the Trump administration, now the full force of the Trump administration has had like a more than a year now to plan this since they took office. Now, I guess we're going to pull it together in three weeks after everyone else bailed. I mean, it's crazy.

[A]

What do you think's going to happen?

[B]

Well, you know, I think we saw a tweet this morning from someone. Now, look, this is someone who named. What's her name? I have to look at. Her name is Rachel Holt. Now, that sounds like a very replacement level, unlike Martina. I'm proud and I'm honored to be performing at the Great American State Fair on July 1.

[A]

Is she on the bill? Do we know?

[B]

Well, well, this is all just coming out. We don't, we haven't seen any bill. I mean, this is also kind of a funny thing to talk about because it seems like maybe they don't want to put the names out because as soon as they do, that person's gonna be like, wait, what am I doing now? I look, I looked. I, I gotta say, I'm not a country music expert. So I, I was like, maybe this is a huge person right now. She has 10,000 monthly listeners on Spotify, folks. I thought about bands that I like, you know, and bands that like, I think if they had lined, people would be like, I don't know about this. And they have like 80,000, like the Hold Steady. Now she has 10,000. This is not a lot, folks.

[A]

10,000 is not a lot.

[B]

Alexis Wilkins, country music sensation, Cash Patel, girlfriend, she has about 8,000. So I think she's playing like kind of third tier wrestling match. College Park, Pennsylvania. Now, this lady is about the same as that, so make that what you will.

[A]

I mean, look, I feel a little bit. No, I don't really feel that much sympathy, but it is a little rough that they're just blowing this. I, There, there's an honest, there's an honest push back to this, which I saw circulating on the Internets and curious for your thoughts on this one, which is like it. Yeah, we're, we're taking some delight in watching this thing blow up because it's, you know, it's, it was sort of ridiculous that they commandeered this in a way that they did and tried to have a separate track of planning. But then again, it's like we should in theory and collectively be celebrating the 250th and watching it be reduced to rubble. Like, this is, is, is kind of depressing in a way. And I don't know how you feel about that.

[B]

Yeah, well, look, I was really excited for this one. I'm a real, I really am sad that I missed the bicentennial. If you watch movies like Nashville or you read the book King Sucker, man, it seems like everyone was having a good time in the bicentennial. It wasn't a Great America, 1976, whatever, but they were having fun. And I thought, this could be millennials chance. And instead we're getting this, you know, someone, this other right wing pundit, I think political math. He was like, you know, during the campaign, Donald Trump said we would have a new World's Fair and it would just be a celebration of America and this huge behemoth effort. And it's like, do you know Donald Trump? You know, have you ever seen anything this guy does? We saw this with the Army, 200, 250th anniversary last year. It's like, clearly this wasn't going to work. And now again, it's a shambles. And he's like, but don't worry, guys, you can see the big star himself, Mr. T. And I was like, oh, God, yeah.

[A]

That's the thing. It's like once Trump got involved, like, you knew, it wasn't like Trump was doing it for altruistic and patriotic reasons. He wanted to put on a show that was MAGA and like,

[B]

I'm sorry. If I could just make one more point though.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Before we move on, this is a real. A lot of right wing pundits are interpreting this as a sign that, you know, after Trump was elected, we saw this vibe shift. Right? Like people, corporations, some law firms, all these things. They thought Trump would rule for a thousand years. America was MAGA now. And now Bronze Age pervert, the noted right wing commenter, he wrote an article and he said, bronze Age pervert. And so he said, or excuse me, I'm sorry. Raw egg nationalist. It was raw egg.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I know. How confusing.

[B]

So he said he was like, look, you can tell here, if you looked at this, like at the inauguration or a year ago, do you think Martina McBride wouldn't have been willing to perform at sort of a vaguely Trump themed event? No, of course she would have. But now we can see that Trump is so unpopular that even Milli Vanilli people with the worst reput. American music history, they're like, I can't risk this.

[A]

You know, it's interesting. I've been thinking about this in a different realm. We're not gonna. We don't need to dwell on this because this is not really the main. The main point of what we're talking about. But I'm a big New York Giants football fan. Okay. And our qb, Jackson Dart spoke at a Trump rally in Michael Lawler's district, and it caused a huge fissure with the team. But what was interesting to me was that the people who were opposed to Trump, a guy named Abdul Carter and some others, decided to speak up and actually say, you know, Trump's a bigot and what he's doing is terrorizing people. And I thought about how a year ago, like, there was kind of like, in the sports world, you know, Trump had just been elected. It was like, you're not. We don't want. Athletes are done with that whole sort of, I'm gonna speak up against Trump stuff. Like, we. They'd done it in term one. We were moving on. This was not gonna be something that happened in term two. But the fact that Abdul Carter decided he was going to call out his own quarterback, and then when they were giving these press statements last week, because they finally went public and discussed it, Abdul Carter didn't back down. I mean, Jackson Dart was like, you know what? I don't want to get into it. I just wanted to respect the office. I love everybody. And Abdul Carter was like, you know what I had to say what I had to say. And I thought that was kind of an interesting signal that maybe people are finally actually willing to say stuff in the world of sports and I guess in the world of entertainment. All right, we got so much more to get to. Let's talk about the proud boys showing up at Delaney hall, or Delaney Hall, I guess that's what you call it. It's the detention center, sorry, the Delaney hall ice facility in New Jersey. There's a lot going on at this facility. It's been, you know, a big deal in New Jersey Politics. I know the governor's office is trying to get some humanitarian aid there. There's been Andy Kim, the senator from New Jersey was pepper sprayed. Outside of there, it's like becoming quickly the epicenter of the immigration debates. And it's a flare up that we saw early in the Trump administration happening again. And then the proud boys show up. Why?

[B]

Well, this is an interesting story about factionalism within the proud boys. So the proud boys, we get a couple. I believe this was, this was on Saturday. Maybe six proud boys show up. Can we, can we cue the video here? So we see a couple proud boys. Yep. They're in their, their proud boys gear. They're masked up. Now here's the one with.

[A]

Look at unappealing. They look. They're huge.

[B]

He's got a. He's. Well, he's got. Okay, there we go. Perfect. One of them is carrying a sort of Costco tray of cookies now.

[A]

Yeah, I'm wondering why.

[B]

Well, I think he was. He was hungry. I mean, I really know other. No other.

[A]

He probably wanted cookies. They look like they eat a fair number of cookies.

[B]

Yeah. So yeah, we could take that down.

[A]

Let's go back. No, go back to the beginning.

[B]

Play that beginning again.

[A]

Let's just stop at one of these proud. How proud can they be? Look, stop it right there. Those guys eat cookies. Cookies. Okay. Those guys eat a fair number of cookies.

[B]

Yeah, they're on the, the heavier side. And so.

[A]

Yeah, sorry, this is. People are consuming this in, in audio form. I should know. These are big men with guts and they have their faces covered.

[B]

They're also like easily. There's another interview where they have with them. They're easily like early 50s. Like, these are not like the, the most like vibrant proud boys.

[A]

And their pants are really weird looking and they got these kind of black shirts and the shirts can't really tuck in the gut. And they're eating a lot of cookies. And that's what they're doing. Okay. And let's keep playing the video for a second because I hadn't seen this before. Oh, let's get that cookie tray. Stop, stop, stop. Okay. There's just a big old tray of stupid cookies that this guy's bringing in. It is a massive tray. Cookies. And the guy behind him who doesn't have a mask on. Brave, brave guy. That guy looks like he eats a lot of cookies too. These guys are heavy. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Well, so. So this kind of gets into it. So basically what ends up happening here is these proud boys get run out of Town by the, the left wing protesters, the anti ICE people, not violently. They're just kind of yelling at them and then they sort of go, well, geez. They leave. They're getting like, you're a coward. And this guy's like, oh, come on. You know, it, it does not look if you were the Proud Boys. And I think the Proud Boys, this idea of like the January 6th reparations and stuff, I feel like they're feeling emboldened, like they're ready to kind of have their time in the spotlight again. And so for the Proud Boys, they put out a communique after this and they said, these are not real Proud Boys. Don't be fooled. This is a splinter faction of the Proud Boys. And we don't, they don't represent us. And you know, you can tell these aren't real Proud Boys because they cut and ran and with the real Proud Boys are actually secretly working in intelligence for ice. Oh, sure, maybe. But they basically, these Proud Boys were disavowed.

[A]

There's some guy in the chats right now who's saying, don't fat shame the Proud Boys. You can criticize them for a lot of stuff, but don't fat shame them. And to that I say shut up. Okay? Those people would absolutely criticize people online for their ethnicity and for how they look. And if they can do it, I can do it back to them. Shut up. All right.

[B]

I think when they bring the cookie tray, it sort of makes, it's hard to ignore.

[A]

I'm just not going to like, deal with that. I'm not going to feel bad about criticizing how heavy the Proud Boys look. Is there anything else that I missed on that? Like, what is. So what, what, what, what's going to happen now? Like, there's some factionalism like, well, so

[B]

this is an interesting thing. So the Proud Boys said, well, look, these Proud Boys, they, they have, they were kicked out because they associated with a federal informant, guy named Danny Mack. This guy apparently was part of the Proud Boys and he was telling, yes, they say these are associates of Brian James. They chose to stay loyal to their former chapter president, Danny Mack, even after he expo was exposed as with clear evidence from Enrique Terrio, the president of a federal informant. All right, so of course, Enrique Terrio himself was the federal informant, folks. So that's one aspect. But basically these are Proud Boys who actually split from the original Proud Boys because of Enrique Terrio as a federal informant. There's a lot of this going back and forth, but here's what I Want to point out, look, there's a couple of ways to get kicked out of the Proud Boys. One is not about not following their rigorous rules against masturbation. Folks, remember this. You're allowed to masturbate once a month. If you're in the Proud Boys. If you. If you break that rule, you're out. You're out, brother.

[A]

How do they know if the rule is broken?

[B]

Well, I don't know. Sometimes you have to, you know, it's the no wanks.

[A]

What do you have to produce, like, your. Your. Your sperm count results? Like, what are they testing here as

[B]

we wrap this up? I. I just want to know.

[A]

Who says we're wrapping this up? I want to linger on the sperm counts.

[B]

Well. Well, this is the rule. It's called no wanks. And they. The Proud Boys. The Proud Boys, whenever you bring this up, they'll say, well, you're kind of. You're kind of simplifying the no ranks rule, man. So the. The Gavin McGinnis, the proud founder of the Proud Boys, also co founder of Vice magazine, he was very involved in this disavowal. He was saying, look at this. These aren't real Proud Boys. And then he said, actually, the real Proud Boys were doing something else on Saturday. We were celebrating the 10th anniversary of the Proud Boys. Can we put up that fly, that flyer for what they did on the 10th? Yes. Okay.

[A]

Ridiculous thing.

[B]

They marched. They had some beers. They marched to the grave of Bill the Butcher. Now, this would be Bill the Butcher, immortalized by Daniel Day Lew in Gangs in New York. A nativist. Right. And so they had to go celebrate their guy. I think they put some beers or some flags on his grave. So that's what the Proud Boys are up to.

[A]

Do they wank at the grave?

[B]

They better not. They better not. Gavin won't be happy.

[A]

Maybe that's why they brought the cookies. Oh, we've gone off the rails, but that does kind of line up with the cookies. I was gonna say. Don't Google it, folks. Don't Google it. All right. Speaking of Proud Boys, little boys, your boy Bavino.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To fly to Newark to, like, hang. But then that wasn't even the craziest trip.

[B]

He's literally.

[A]

Is Greg Bonvino literally hanging out with Nazis.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

So.

[B]

So this is Greg Bevino, the former kind of like, not even head of Border Patrol, but kind of like the Border Patrol command, who was, like, in charge in Minneapolis and was sort of this, you know, intimidating figure with the.