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Hey, everybody. Tim over the bulwark just got off with my friend Nicole Wallace on deadline White House. We also had Mark Elias was on with us. It was a delight to be on with Sally Jenkins of the Atlantic. At the end, we discussed the threats to democracy, which Nicole and Mark are so vigilant about. Related analysis surrounding that. We talked about some Trump regrets from Trump voters, including one who gave the guy voted for three times a hearty fuck you when asked by a reporter, an MSNow reporter. That was something that we could enjoy. And then we discussed Trump's little birthday party throwing for himself in the UFC fight with Sally Jenkins at the end. In that conversation, I talked about the importance of balancing shaming them and attacking them and trying to take back our country with also having fun. And I just think that it's important for the pro democracy coalition to always to not lose sight of that, not lose sight of having fun and drawing people in because people want to be part of a group that is having a good time and sometimes that can get lost in politics since we're talking about such serious matters. And to that end, I referenced that as soon as that TV had ended as actually as soon as I finished this YouTube video, I'm going to go enjoy gay pride in New Orleans with my friends. And I thought that that would give me an opportunity to kind of expand on kind of a jokey critique I offered earlier in the week that received some negative feedback from people about pride because pride is important to me. And so I don't want people to misunderstand what I was trying to say. I don't have the quote in front of me, but the point was essentially that like maybe we went a little bit too far. Some of the pride stuff during peak woke and you know, maybe not everybody needs to see a rainbow explosion in their face for 30 straight days. You know, we have single day celebrating the Irish. Maybe that's sufficient for celebrating the gays. Just talked about the ways in which there are some excesses, you know, having Lockheed Martin floats, you know, ways in which pride became very corporate and stayed. There's element to that. I really, I do believe, I think it's important for any mass movement to be joyful. And it's not enough to simply be joyful. Obviously Kamala Harris ran a more joyful campaign to than Donald Trump. But it's an important part of it, right? It's how people get drawn in. It's how people get converted. It's how you can win people over with joyfulness. And so I wanted to just kind of talk about what I mean by that, because Pride was super important to me. I can remember the first Pride I went to vividly after coming out. And it was a little uncomfortable at first, right? Because there's some prurient, sexy stuff happening at Pride, some stuff I hadn't seen before. But after I kind of got over that discomfort, I really. It really started to give me a feeling of being at home, of self actualization, of like, self confidence, confidence, my own skin. Because at Pride, what it's supposed to be about is people being their authentic selves, letting their freak flag fly, being a little different, not necessarily practicing the same thing that gets thrust upon them by popular culture or by corporate culture or by their parents or their church leaders or their political leaders. It was about self expression and self expression without apology and celebrating your ability to be yourself and your neighbor's ability to be themselves and doing it all together, right? That's what pride is. That's why it's the rainbow flag, right? It's every color, every flavor. Everyone is allowed. Everyone is welcome. Everyone should be merry together. And if the person in the float in front of you or at the bar next to you is practicing pride in a way that you don't, that you don't personally, if they have a peccadillo that you don't share, that's not a thing to be afraid of or a thing to attack them for. It's a thing to celebrate. That's the fucking human experience, baby. Like, we're all going to be a little different. And to me, when I first went to Pride, there's this beauty in it, right? That I was like, oh, I'd spent all these years in the closet. I'd spent all these years telling myself what I can't be. And now here I get to be whatever I want to be. And maybe I don't want to be exactly what you want to be, Mr. Pup. But roof, roof, good for you. You should be that. Go do it. Be your full Pup self out there on the parade route. That's why a lot of people say that, like, pride is inappropriate. You get people on the right that, like, will lecture about bringing kids to Pride. I've brought Tolose to Pride several times. She doesn't understand everything that's going on. You don't answer every question, and that's okay. But. But what she does get is that everybody gets to express themselves authentically here. And that her parents and her family, which is a little different from the other families at school, are celebrated, and we have this day where we are recognized for we are seen. And that, like, second wave of pride for me. I can remember the first pride I took her to in San Francisco, and she was in this little rainbow jumper and carrying a rainbow flag. And I just remember thinking about how awesome this is now welcoming. This is now good. It is. And that, I think, is what we should be aspiring for as a country, but as a political movement, not trying to turn it into, oh, you should do this or you should do that, or it has to be like this or it has to be like that, or if you disagree, then you're not welcome. Like, that's not what it is. Right? It's about as long as you accept everyone, you're accepted. So come on. Come join the fun. Come put on your rainbow colors and celebrate the full bounty of our society. It's little Ernest for going around and drinking a bunch of vodka sodas. I guess, because there's that part of it too. I think they kind of go hand in hand together. It's okay to have a little raunchy fun while you're celebrating something that is earnest and meaningful and important. And so circling back, like, when I said went overboard, like, the things that felt outside that spirit, to me, it was kind of the way in which I kind of felt in disagreement with some others from the LGBT activist world over the question of the cake. You know, the gay cake baker didn't want to bake the gay cake. And there's a lot of details to that. And, you know, we can argue about the legal. Legality and all that, but the point was about the spirit of it. Like, the spirit of pride should not be, bake me this fucking cake. Spirit of pride shouldn't be. You must put this rainbow sticker on your restaurant, or else we won't come because you don't support us. Like, that's not what it was. It isn't about forcing this upon you, isn't about demanding adherence. It isn't an authoritarian movement where everyone has to. To, you know, put on their rainbow badge or they will be targeted. Like, that's not. That's not pride. Pride is a individual expression of your full self and an honoring of other people expressing their full selves and doing so in a way that is joyful and is full of revelry and full of color and a big fucking gay party. And so that's what I'm gonna go do right now. I appreciate you all very much. Been a long week of content, so I probably won't be back around till I'll probably be back around Sunday night for the stupid UFC fight. We'll see. We'll see how I feel. I'll probably be back around Sunday night or else I'll see you all on Monday. Appreciate you very much. Happy Pride. Stick around for me, Nicole and the rest of the cast of characters. Subscribe to the feed do me a solid subscribe to the feed I'd appreciate it.
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Tim Miller, I made this point yesterday and I'm curious your thoughts on it. I mean, Bill Pulte, I don't know much about him, but he seems like someone.