Death & Deceit in Alliance | 13. The Circling

Summary

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The Burden

"Death & Deceit in Alliance" | Episode 13: The Circling

Host: Orbit Media
Air Date: January 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this penultimate episode of Death & Deceit in Alliance, host Maggie Freeling and her investigative team come face to face with uncomfortable truths about David Thorne, whose suspected wrongful conviction has been the center of their season-long investigation. While the series began with the assumption that David was a victim of shoddy police work and possibly a frame-up, "The Circling" zeroes in on troubling new evidence and personal revelations, forcing Maggie and her team to directly confront David’s character, honesty, and credibility. This episode is rich with investigative introspection, direct dialogue, and mounting doubt—challenging the very foundation of the wrongful conviction narrative they set out to tell.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shocking New Information About David's Character

(01:46–05:19)

• Maggie listens to a shocking police interview with "Angie," David’s ex-girlfriend, revealing serious allegations of abuse:
  • Pulling a gun, shooting out her car tires, threats to kill her, choking, physical assaults.
  • Angie’s own words: “He was really mean, very aggressive, very abusive.” (01:46)
• Maggie reflects on her prior assumptions about David’s personality—previously described by her and others as a “nice, good-looking 20something… always cheerful.”
• Discovery of additional incidents paints David as reckless and violent—a stark contrast to the “All-American” image he and his family projected.

2. David's Ongoing Concealment of His Past

(06:16–08:47)

• John and Danny (investigators) stress the importance of honesty:
  • John: “I want to give him the opportunity to tell us things that we already know just to see if he's going to be remotely forthcoming.” (06:16)
• Maggie notes that crucial questions about violence were never proactively addressed by David; his failure to disclose now appears strategic.

3. Prison Interview: Digging for the Truth

(09:31–16:57)

• John and Danny have an official legal visit with David, intending to confront him with difficult questions.
• Focus turns to David’s alibi on the day of the murder (March 31, 1999), inconsistencies about his time from 12:30pm–4pm, and his repeated omission of contact with Joe Wilkes (the confessed killer):
  • Despite incident reports showing otherwise, David tried to minimize his relationship with Joe.
  • Danny: “He was not going to bring up the fact that he was with Joe at the Enix.” (13:23)
• When pressed, David would only admit to allegations that the investigators already knew about.
  • John: “He did not volunteer a thing ... Every altercation that we were able to pull out of him, it was somebody else's fault.” (15:33)
  • Danny: “Like prosecutors are taught, never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to. Yeah, that's what we did. And only because we asked, did he give it.” (16:36)

4. Patterns of Evasion and Deflection

(16:58–20:17)

• Multiple examples emerge of David denying or minimizing allegations unless confronted with specific evidence.
  • The tire-shooting incident: David claims he shot only one tire, not four, and says the car was his.
  • Denial of other allegations: choking, hitting, etc.
• Maggie’s frustration is palpable: “I felt defeated. I’d put so much time into this and so much of my credibility and emotion.” (17:27)

5. Psychological Observations & Interviewer Impressions

(18:17–19:32)

• Danny notes that David exhibits evasive body language—grinning and breaking eye contact when discussions turn to sensitive topics, suggesting defensiveness.
  • Danny: “It was almost like watching someone on a polygraph…when we got into sensitive areas, his head would drop, his eyes would fly, his blinking was delayed, and he would grin as he gave this 'oh, that's no big deal' kind of answer.” (18:20)
• The team expresses concern that David cannot account for being with Joe shortly before the murder, and that their ongoing doubts may be insurmountable.

6. The Pivotal Question: Can the Team Continue?

(20:12–21:43)

• John: “I want to make it all sound bad and horrible or anything like that, but the overall thing was not really good. He knows what's happening right now. He knows that he's got to be forthcoming." (20:29)
• The team ultimately questions whether to invest further time and resources if David cannot be honest.
  • John: “You just weren't truthful… We can't do it if you're going to be like that.” (21:09)

7. The “Bombshell”: David’s Knowledge of Yvonne’s Sex Work

(21:43–23:50)

• Maggie discovers David’s prior awareness of Yvonne’s sex work, contradicting what he had told her earlier in the investigation.
  • John: “Oh, he knew all about that. He took her to West Virginia because she was going to be an escort at these things, knowing full well that's what she was going to do.” (22:55)
• Maggie’s shock and sense of betrayal is clear: “So then why did he lie to me?” (23:50)

8. Setting the Stage for the Finale

(24:00–25:18)

• A preview of the upcoming finale highlights outstanding questions and the team’s conclusion that vital “nuggets” of evidence supporting David have become exceedingly hard to find.
• The episode ends with the sobering reality that, despite months of investigation, there may be nowhere left to turn if David refuses, or is unable, to be honest.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Angie’s account of abuse:

  • “He got out of his car, pulled a gun on me, shot out all four tires in my car, told me that if I don't stop the fucking car he's gonna blow my head off.” (02:05, Angie)

• Maggie’s self-doubt and defeat:

  • “I felt defeated. I'd put so much time into this and so much of my credibility and emotion. But this time at least I was ready for it.” (17:27, Maggie)

• John on David’s credibility:

  • “He did not volunteer a thing... Every altercation that we were able to pull out of him, it was somebody else's fault… that's exactly right." (15:33, John)

• Danny on David’s body language:

  • “It was almost like watching someone on a polygraph…when we got into sensitive areas, his head would drop, his eyes would fly, his blinking was delayed, and he would grin as he gave this 'oh, that's no big deal' kind of answer.” (18:20, Danny)

• John’s blunt warning:

  • "You just weren't truthful…we can't do it if you're going to be like that.” (21:09, John)

• The “bombshell” on sex work:

  • “He took her to West Virginia because she was going to be an escort at these things, knowing full well that's what she was going to do.” (22:55, John)

• Danny on the bleak outlook:

  • “Finding the nugget that gives David a chance is just getting harder and harder to find. I mean, we've turned over enough stones to where there's only a few left. And if there's nothing under the remaining stones…” (24:27, Danny)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Abuse allegations emerge (Angie’s police interview): 01:46–05:19
• Investigator reflections on David’s candor and interview strategy: 06:16–08:54
• Prison interview and gaps in David’s timeline/alibi: 09:31–13:15
• Repeated evasions and pattern of withholding: 13:38–17:13
• Interviewers' final impressions and doubts: 17:48–20:17
• Decision about continuing the investigation: 20:29–21:43
• Bombshell about knowledge of sex work: 21:43–23:50
• Preview of the finale and unresolved questions: 24:00–25:18

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Tone, Language, & Style

The tone of the discussion is urgent, emotionally fraught, and self-reflective. Maggie’s narration is candid about her own doubts and emotional investment; the language is direct, sometimes raw (especially in interviews and confessions), and the investigative team’s comments are measured but increasingly skeptical. The candidness between the team, coupled with raw, unsettled feelings, makes the episode deeply personal and unsettling—highlighting that even "champions" of justice are at risk of being misled.

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Conclusion

Episode 13, “The Circling,” pivots from championing David’s innocence to a somber, honest reckoning with unsettling facts about his past and his elusive honesty. Maggie and her team’s emotional journey—marked by disappointment, self-doubt, and a commitment to seeking truth over narrative—sets the stage for a finale that promises more hard questions and perhaps few easy answers. This is not a triumphalist wrongful conviction story, but a nuanced, at times painful, dive into uncertainty, betrayal, and the imperfect quest for justice.

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Transcript

[John]

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[John]

Alliance and part of me feels like.

[Danny]

He would have been screaming this from the rooftops for a long time if that was really the case.

[Maggie Freeling]

What are the chances this kind man snaps because Yvonne just doesn't want to have sex with him.

[John]

I mean, if I'm sitting here right now, I think that Joe had.

[Danny]

I think he probably did it. It's tough just to get the words out, isn't it?

[Maggie Freeling]

I just don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I feel like I got like really wrapped up. I feel like I got emotional. I don't know, I'd feel really confused.

[Danny]

This is emotional work. You're dealing with people's lives.

[Maggie Freeling]

I know. I feel really confused. This is death and deceit. An alliance. A real time investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. Maggie, I'm Maggie Freeling.

[John]

Can you describe to me on on.

[Angie]

The take Care how he treated you and some of the incidents that happened.

[Maggie Freeling]

While you were dating?

[Angie]

He was really mean, very aggressive, very abusive.

[Maggie Freeling]

This is David's ex girlfriend Angie talking to the police. She dated David for five years. Just before David dated Yvonne Lane, Angie told police about her harrowing relationship with David Thorne.

[Angie]

One incident would be we got in a big fight. We were driving down the road in separate vehicles. He got out of his car, pulled a gun on me, shot out all four tires in my car, told me that if I don't stop the fucking car he's gonna blow my head off. So I did stop the car. The neighbors were screaming frantically to call the cops cuz he was going to kill me. Another incident would be when we got another big fight and he had me down on the bed, scaring me, checking me. I could actually feel myself losing that, technically casting out. So I kicked him, got him away from me and then I left.

[Maggie Freeling]

At the beginning of this show I said I had Never heard a bad thing about David Thorne, the man sentenced to life without parole for the murder of Yvonne. The image I'd built up of David in my mind was of a nice, good looking 20something guy who liked to help people, was always cheerful, always making jokes. He and others said he got along well with his ex girlfriend, Yvonne, the mother of his son. The custody agent at trial said their shared arrangement was working just fine and he was paying support. But then I came across Angie. I listened to Angie's interview with the police. It shocked me. She proceeded to tell numerous other stories too. Like one about David smashing her face into a steering wheel by her banana clip. And an altercation David had with her dad. Angie's interview painted a picture of David that I was unaware of. A hothead. Someone who, if Angie's accounts are true, could be violent, very violent to women.

[John]

When's the last time you saw David?

[Angie]

January 1999.

[Maggie Freeling]

Two months before Yvonne was murdered.

[John]

What contact did you see David?

[Angie]

I work at a hair salon and he come into my forum to get his hair cut and was talking to me about wanting custody of his farm and that he had to prove Yvonne Lane as an unfit mother so that he could get custody of his home.

[Maggie Freeling]

Another person, along with Sam Peg, Joe Wilk's good friend, who said that David wanted custody of his son. And then we found another person, a friend of David's who told us he remembered times when David was out of control, particularly road rage incidents. He told us one time a guy got out of his car and started yelling at David. David's friend told us David grabbed the other guy's lip and took off driving. It's unclear if he actually dragged the guy down the road. Not that any of this makes him a murderer, but it certainly paints a different picture of David than I had previously imagined. These stories depict David as someone who can be reckless and violent. And it's something we may never have known if we didn't stumble on Angie's files. Sue and David certainly were not forthcoming about any of this. He was the All American choir boy.

[John]

Have you heard about our Northern Airlines?

[Angie]

Yes, I have. And what did you think? My first reaction was, oh my God, I'm glad it wasn't me. And I believe it. I mean, he's definitely capable of it. I've seen it. I'm sure other people have too.

[Maggie Freeling]

Remember, David's credibility is crucial and so far he hasn't been completely honest. He never told me he had a girlfriend right before his girlfriend was murdered who made serious abuse allegations against him. In fairness though, I didn't ask him and if they're not true, I could see how he wouldn't want to bring attention to it. But there were also all the other allegations. So it was time for the professionals to finally meet with David. What would he tell John and Danny about his capacity for violence?

[John]

We've already found some things that aren't very flattering about David that were that he's never disclosed. And I want to give him the opportunity to tell us things that we already know just to see if he's going to be remotely forthcoming. You know, I think there's a lot of questions that have never been asked of him. So we're going to have to ask him some of those.

[Maggie Freeling]

What are some of those?

[John]

About who he was at the time. I don't want him to try to bullshit us.

[Maggie Freeling]

They wanted to know about the real David. Good, bad, ugly. The guys told him this point blank in one of their previous phone conversations before the visit.

[Danny]

Here's my thought as we approach Ms. Like if we were the prosecutors knowing that this is coming, what would we be out doing to attack what investigators John and Maggie and Danny are coming up with right now? Yeah, let's just pretend like this is a.

[Maggie Freeling]

Basically they told David that in order to help him they needed to know everything. Everything so that there are no surprises that could hinder his investigation and potential case. For example, properly preparing for attacks and character assassinations if he goes back to court. Maybe if I had point blank asked David, have you ever been violent with anyone, he would have told me about some of this. So maybe when the guys do ask those questions point blank, he will tell them the truth so we can all move past it and to points of actual innocence. But they needed to hear that from David first. They needed him to be honest. Save over $200 when you book weekly stays with VRBO this winter. If you haven't seen your college besties since, well, college, you need a week to catch up in a snowy cabin, take a week long vacation and save over $200. Book [e-mail].

[John]

I do want him to not bullshit us with who he was back then. So if he, if he out of the gate, you know, tells us things that he was involved in, things that we know about, things that we don't know about, then I'll be more apt to listen to him as he's telling us things about this case.

[Maggie Freeling]

We arrive at the prison and the guys go in, leaving me in the rental car once again while Waiting. I take a joyride. The area around prison is actually quite beautiful, and that's always struck me. Prisons are usually in rural tucked away places, intentionally hard to get to and hidden from the world. The guys finally surfaced a few hours later and hopped in the car. Danny noticed I drove. I was driving.

[John]

She's like three feet tall, Danny. Of course it's gonna be different.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen, I didn't move the other mirrors. I was really trying to be respectful of Danny's driving.

[John]

You're fine, Maggie. You can get away with anything.

[Danny]

Please.

[Maggie Freeling]

Okay, so what happened? Tell me everything. Unlike the visit with Joe, with David, the guys were actually able to take notes. They secured an official legal visit, meaning note taking was allowed last time. Remember John and Danny had to relay everything back to me from their memory. So where did he say he was? The 31st. When Joe says he was bringing him to the mall.

[John]

Buying fish.

[Maggie Freeling]

Right? That's what he told me. Buying fish, yeah. Remember that? On the 31st, the day we believe Yvonne was murdered. According to David's work time card, he got off work at around 12:20, 29pm earlier than usual. David's grandfather testified that David got home from work around 4pm that day. So what was David doing from 12:30 to 4? David said he was buying fish and cleaning big cat cages. Something that wasn't able to be corroborated. And the prosecution said during this time David was bringing Joe to the mall to get his hotel room. And Joe has said that too in certain versions of his events.

[Danny]

He acknowledged that he would have left at noon that day, but can't explain anything really. Again, until the guys continued to ask.

[Maggie Freeling]

David about the 31st, the night Yvonne was murdered. They wanted David to tell them how he and Joe wound up together that evening. Because remember the Enochs testified Joe and David were together around 5pm in the Enoch's driveway when with the lion cub. Before David went to shoot. Fighting and Brett Enoch drove Joe to the mall. No matter how many times or ways the guys said they asked, David continually left out that he was with Joe, at least briefly on the 31st, the day Yvonne was murdered.

[Danny]

And then we're like, well wait a second. You're in the Enoch's front yard with a cat. How did that happen? If Joe's.

[Maggie Freeling]

David had repeatedly told me that he wasn't really friends with Joe. Mainly he said he was only with Joe when he saw him around town asking for a ride. But we also found some incident reports of David's run ins with the law. And one even mentions Joe Wilkes being present, it seems like David knew Joe much better than just a guy around town.

[John]

Yeah, he just wanted to minimize how much he knew Joe's life and how much he was around Joe.

[Danny]

The tactic was to make sure he knew we knew you were with Joe the evening that Yvonne later dies.

[Maggie Freeling]

The guys told me once David realized he could not get around being with Joe the Evening of the 31st, he then incorporated Joe back into the story.

[John]

Then he goes, and he's at this at the drive through of Bob's, Bob's Pizza, and he looks up and all of a sudden there's Joe waving at him and says, hey, you know, what are you doing? Oh, this is where I'm staying. Here's the driveway. Pull in here. And he said, I had no idea that he was staying at the Enix. It was pure coincidence.

[Maggie Freeling]

In the past, when David explained how he wound up with Joe that evening, his official written out timeline was that he just saw him walking and picked him up. No mention of Bob's pizza. Could he be confused? Sure. But it's hard for me to get past that. If you're innocent, you don't know backwards and forwards. The day that ruined your life exactly to a T what you were doing. Especially when you were brought into the police station two days later as a person of interest. This was not weeks later. I believe that story would solidify in your brain.

[John]

You know, we know memories aren't tape recorders. Just tell us what you do remember. And.

[Danny]

And he left out the person that is responsible for him sitting in that jail. He. Completely without prompting, he was not going to bring up the fact that he was with Joe at the Enix.

[John]

Yeah.

[Maggie Freeling]

They asked David about what Sam Pegg said. Remember, she's one of Joe's best friends. And she told us that Joe had repeatedly told her before the murder that David wanted Yvonne gone.

[John]

You know, some weeks leading up to the murder, Joe was saying that you were telling him that you wanted Yvonne gone. And I said a point blank. Did that happen? No, that was the other place where I put in my notes. He said, no. And then he immediately goes into how pitiful Joe is. And so I wrote my notes, changed subject quickly.

[Maggie Freeling]

So the guys pivoted to the test.

[John]

So I said, okay, who were you before all this happened, you know, and wanted to tell him to tell us good things, which he did, only tell us good things. I was a great friend. I was loyal, you know. You know, I could be a little bit of a knucklehead, whatever. And so they're like, okay, well, what trouble did. Was there any trouble? I got a few speeding tickets. Danny, you know, says, well, tell us about this broken window thing and one.

[Maggie Freeling]

Of the incident reports we found.

[John]

Then he tells us about that, and, you know, we go on, and what else, you know, what other kind of stuff did you get into? And, you know, and every fucking thing that we mentioned. Well, what about, you know, did you kick somebody's door? Oh, yeah, I did that.

[Danny]

When he wasn't offering, we had to hit him with what we knew.

[John]

Yes.

[Danny]

And once he knew we knew, then he. Oh, yeah, that's true.

[John]

Yeah. And it was like, okay, what else? Well, did you, you know, did you grab somebody's lip and. Oh, yeah, I did do that.

[Maggie Freeling]

The guy said once they told him that he did it and they knew he did, then he'd admit to these things. But it was always someone else's fault.

[Angie]

It's never him.

[Maggie Freeling]

It's always somebody else.

[John]

That's exactly right.

[Maggie Freeling]

And in fact, it can't be always somebody else.

[John]

Exactly. Every. Every altercation that we were able to pull out of him, it was somebody else's fault. Yeah. You know, I just kind of key on. It was really something to me that we gave him plenty of opportunities. Like, dude, good, bad or ugly, you know, tell us what, what your life was like, what you were involved in, any trouble you got in. I got a few speeding tickets. And that was all he was going to say. I mean, he didn't volunteer a single thing, did he? As far as, like, any of those.

[Maggie Freeling]

Incidents, I'm going to play chunks of the conversation we had, but know that we were driving and the background noise changes from one moment to the next.

[John]

Still, everything that we got out of him was because we knew ahead of time what these accusations were. He did not volunteer a thing.

[Danny]

Like prosecutors are taught, never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to. Yeah, that's what we did. And only because we asked, did he give it.

[John]

Yep. Only he was going to leave it as I got a few speeding tickets. That was that. That's where he wanted to leave it. That was his answer.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[John]

And we even let a. Let a pause, sit there for a little bit where nobody said anything like, what about shooting at the car? Yeah, I did do that.

[Maggie Freeling]

Remember the allegation from his ex girlfriend, Angie, that he shot out her. Four tires, Only one tire.

[John]

Only one tire. She hobbled down the road and it was my car.

[Danny]

But he.

[John]

He did. He denied choking her. He denied pulling her hair and Hitting her head into the steering wheel.

[Maggie Freeling]

He denied it all. I felt defeated. I'd put so much time into this and so much of my credibility and emotion. But this time at least I was ready for it. I asked the guys to give it to me straight. Did they think they could take David's case?

[Danny]

You know, when you leave an interview and you feel like you've shared more information than the person who's fighting for their life, There's a reason behind that. And we.

[Maggie Freeling]

Is there or is he an idiot?

[Danny]

It could be.

[John]

I mean, you know, David say, charismatic guy and, and a slick talker, but I'm not going to say that he's a brain surgeon. You know, he's. Because, you know, I don't know.

[Maggie Freeling]

Well, are you picking up on these David Koresh vibes?

[Danny]

I picked up on this vibe. The flutter and the grin. He's not having to make direct contact with someone because I feel like that's his way of handling uncomfortable or sensitive discussions. He did it throughout that interview because it was so. By the first 10 minutes, 20 minutes, it was so obvious to me that as things first 20 minutes, we were talking about prison.

[John]

Yeah. Yeah. How is daily life?

[Danny]

But as we started engaging in sensitive areas and I watched his facial mannerisms, that was like. It's almost like watching someone on a polygraph on a control question and then a, A, a rational question. Right. I mean, it's easy to say, yes, my name is Danny, or you guess I'm from Austin, Texas, or whatever. But then. Did you kill her? It was the same way. When we got into sensitive areas, his head would drop a little bit, his eyes would fly, his blinking was delayed, and he would grin as he gave this oh, that's no big deal kind of answer. Did you notice it like that, John?

[John]

Yeah, I did.

[Danny]

I did.

[Maggie Freeling]

Well, so you're saying that's weird. And it wasn't only that David couldn't be straight about his violent past, he.

[Danny]

Could produce nothing, could not refute our suspicions. Our biggest issue is we can never detach Joe from Yvonne's house. And we know that at five o' clock that night, you were with Joe. As shitty as he was, as messed up as his life was, at five o', clock, you were in the front yard of the home he was living in, showing off a tiger. And a few hours later, she's dead. That's our problem.

[John]

Yeah.

[Maggie Freeling]

And what did he say?

[Danny]

He had nothing. He had nothing.

[Maggie Freeling]

I had hoped when the guys met David, he'd fight for his life with everything he had to prove his innocence. But that doesn't seem like what happened at all.

[John]

You know, I don't want to make it all sound bad and horrible or anything like that, but the overall thing was not. Not really good. He knows what's happening right now. He knows that he's got to be forthcoming. We. I made that clear to him from.

[Maggie Freeling]

The very beginning, and he wasn't. So that led the guys to a conclusion about whether they can continue the investigation, continue to invest time and money.

[John]

I told him that straight up.

[Maggie Freeling]

You just weren't truthful.

[John]

Yeah.

[Maggie Freeling]

You omitted information. We can't do it if you're going to be like that.

[John]

And it never would have even come up. He would have, you know, had. Had the three of us not been on the ground and learned what we learned. And there's part of me that wants to take up for Joe. If in my heart of hearts, I believe that David had something to do with that, part of me wants to take up for Joe because, you know, everybody believes in David and Joe's the bad guy. And if David had something to do with it that's completely unfair to Joe.

[Maggie Freeling]

Then you know what's next. There's always a bombshell. The guys told me some information that floored me. David always gave me the impression he didn't know about Yvonne's sex work until trial. But then I saw his girlfriend's grand jury testimony saying David told her Yvonne, quote, had a drug problem and was a, quote, prostitute. And there's also David's grandfather telling the grand jury, quote, she was a high priced call girl. I circled back to David. How could people in his life know about the sex work if he himself hadn't told them about it? He said, okay, he knew, but only after they broke up. It seemed we were both confused. So I never could get a clear answer, but I never really thought it was important, just odd. So I let it be. But because it was odd, I mentioned it to the guys and they figured if it was odd to me, maybe it meant something. So they asked David the sex work and stuff.

[John]

Oh, he knew all about that. He. He took her to. He took her to West Virginia because she was going to be an escort at these things, knowing full well that's what she was going to do.

[Danny]

But yes, he was like, yeah, just like, I know what she's doing. I'm just gonna drop her off.

[John]

Just get it out of my mind.

[Maggie Freeling]

The guys said that he told them he knew exactly why she was going. And when they asked how he felt about it he explained that he just had to put it out of his mind and move on. Remember, this is what David told me. What did you think she was doing when she was going to the conventions?

[John]

She said something that she got an office job and she was going to a convention for something. I don't recall what it was, but to be honest, it was only half paying attention to what it was that she was even talking about. For a job.

[Maggie Freeling]

He claimed he didn't know and didn't ask. I was furious. So then why did he lie to me?

[John]

You'll have to ask him that. I don't know.

[Maggie Freeling]

And I did. That's next time on the finale of Death and Deceit in Alliance. Coming up on Death and Deceit in Alliance.

[John]

I told him, I said, I don't know exactly what time that I was there. Other than that, I never said I wasn't there.

[Maggie Freeling]

David, you had to have thought about that day a million times. That's the day that put you in prison.

[Danny]

Whether David put Joe up to it or not, finding the nugget that gives David a chance is just getting harder and harder to find. I mean, we've turned over enough stones to where there's only a few left. And if there's nothing under the remaining.

[Maggie Freeling]

Stones, well, they had to pull information out of you.

[John]

Yeah, but I don't know what it.

[Danny]

Is that you want me to say.

[John]

To you, unless you ask me the question.

[Maggie Freeling]

The timeline of your day. They said, what is the timeline of your day? You know, you're at the Enoch. Why didn't you put that in your timeline?

[Danny]

If Chris Campbell stands by the story, if Sam stands by the story, you have contemporaneous and continuing verification. And then we have a hidden domestic violence situation which was violent. Holy.

[Maggie Freeling]

Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by me, Maggie Freeling with editorial consulting from Amber Hunt. Aaron Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Steve Fishman. Our engineer and production coordinator is Austin Smith. Eric Axelrod is our assistant producer.