Death & Deceit in Alliance | 7. The Psychic

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Podcast Summary

The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance — Episode 7: "The Psychic"

Host: Orbit Media / Maggie Freeling
Date: December 16, 2025

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Overview

In this gripping episode, Maggie Freeling takes listeners deep into a shocking and unusual element of the Yvonne Layne murder investigation: the police’s desperate decision to seek help from a psychic. What follows is a chaotic unraveling of police incompetence, potential corruption, and ignored leads. Maggie uncovers, with the support of investigative reporter Dwayne Pullman, a web of connections between Yvonne Layne, local drug dealers, and multiple Alliance, Ohio police officers—a web largely ignored or covered up by investigators. This episode turns the true crime genre on its head, confronting listeners with tough questions about flawed champions and institutional malfeasance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Police Turn to a Psychic

• [03:01] Maggie Freeling: The detectives, frustrated by dead ends, visit a psychic for leads on Yvonne's murder.
• Revealed via 22-year-old cassette tapes, the session at first sounds like generic “woo woo stuff,” but quickly becomes pointedly investigative.

"Within a few minutes, it seems like the psychic is a detective and she's asking all the right questions." — Maggie Freeling [06:15]

2. Ignored Suspects and Leads

• The psychic draws out details the police seem to have ignored:
  • Yvonne’s connection to "Tommy," a local drug dealer never interviewed by police.
  • Police acknowledgment that Tommy got drugs from an Alliance cop, yet nothing in the case files tracks this lead.
  • Discussion of Yvonne engaging in exotic dancing or sex work—a detail never followed up in official records.

"Yet there's no record of any investigation into that part of her life, even though the police say they're aware of it." — Maggie Freeling [10:59]

3. Possible Police Involvement or Corruption

• Multiple sources—and the psychic session—point to Yvonne's sexual and possibly parental ties to local police officers, notably one suspected to be her youngest son's father.
• Detective Mucklow and the psychic discuss Yvonne's atypical number of police acquaintances, suggesting possible coverups or at least deep conflicts of interest in the investigation.

“Why did she have so many cops? I want to know why. I'm curious. Why does she know so many cops? ...You never asked about that or wondered about it. Why? You just assume nothing.” — The Psychic [16:27]

4. Potential Cover Up

• Maggie and Pullman develop the theory that the crime scene was cleaned not just of drugs, but to erase any connections between Yvonne and the police force.
• The implication is that convicting David Thorne, with no connections to local corruption, conveniently prevented closer scrutiny of police officers' involvement.

"My suspicion was always that there were so many illegal and troubling connections between police and the criminal element that it almost felt like let's clean it up kind of thing. No matter who did it, let's clean this up so none of us get drawn in." — Dwayne Pullman [19:43]

5. Investigative Frustration and Systemic Failure

• Dwayne Pullman expresses exhaustion and futility after years of reporting on the case, frustrated that police narratives are tightly controlled and nearly impossible to breach.

"The case is so troubling because any number of people could have been a suspect in this case. Everyone in this town seems to have some kind of secret or interest in this victim, whether it be drugs, sex, or both. I mean, look who's the suspect? Everybody. So why'd you land on these two? That's the question." — Dwayne Pullman [21:18]

• Pullman also insists there was no due process for David Thorne, who was “railroaded into prison.”
• Numerous plausible suspects identified by the psychic—including Jeremy, the boyfriend of Yvonne's former mother-in-law, who fits the psychic’s description—were never properly investigated.

6. The Psychic’s Vision and Details

• The psychic describes a possible killer: a man with dark features, a mustache, cross tattoo, ex-military background, and known to Yvonne—traits matching Jeremy, whose record indeed shows a cross tattoo.

“I described the guy to a teeth. Didn't I?" — The Psychic [25:47]

7. Haunted Investigators and Endless Questions

• The emotional toll of the case becomes clear as Pullman and Maggie reflect on the overwhelming quantity of ignored evidence, corruption, and red herrings.

"This case has absolutely consumed just about everyone who has touched it. And it's, it's, it's haunting. The case is haunting." — Dwayne Pullman [27:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the failed investigation:
  “I don't know where you are in life. I know where I am. This case has absolutely consumed just about everyone who has touched it.” — Dwayne Pullman [27:42]

• On possible cover-up:
  “Well, maybe to sell. Or maybe it was to cover up some kind of connection between the alliance police and drug dealers. A connection that went through Yvonne.” — Maggie Freeling [18:47]

• Psychic’s challenge to police detachment:
  "What is wrong with you guys? He didn't ever question that. Why would a girl know so many police officers?" — The Psychic [17:20]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:02]: Recap of stalled investigation and police frustration
• [03:01]: Revelation that police solicited psychic help
• [06:15]: Psychic’s probing into Yvonne's lifestyle and associates
• [07:24]: Discussion of “Tommy,” narcotics, and ignored leads
• [11:45]: Suspicions Yvonne was involved with (and had a child by) a married police officer
• [16:06]: Psychic directly questions police about their detachment and the number of involved officers
• [19:43]: Dwayne Pullman on total criminal-police entanglement and cleanup
• [25:15]: Psychic’s physical description of potential killer (matching Jeremy)
• [27:42]: Pullman describes personal obsession and futility
• [30:03]: Preview for next episode and lingering questions about the case

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Flow & Tone

The episode is investigative, uncompromising, and at times, confessional. Maggie’s narration is both analytical and emotionally candid, as she wrestles with the darkness uncovered not only in the suspect pool, but in the justice system itself. Pullman’s contributions lend a seasoned journalism gravitas and a cautionary note about the personal toll of such cases. The psychic session, rather than coming off as comic relief or farce, instead sharpens the episode’s themes of ignored truth and systemic rot.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The reality of police investigations in small towns can be far messier and more conflicted than TV dramas suggest.
• "The Psychic" episode highlights the dangers of tunnel vision, unchecked police discretion, and the dire consequences for those caught in the crossfire—both victims and the wrongfully convicted.
• With new suspects, ignored leads, and stonewalled records, justice for Yvonne Layne appears as elusive as ever.
• Listeners are left questioning not just who killed Yvonne, but whether anyone in Alliance truly wanted the answer.

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Next Episode Preview:
More legal commentary on the slim evidence against David Thorne, issues with key witnesses, and the continuing hunt for the truth in a tangled, conflicted case.

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Transcript

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[Detective Mucklow]

This man was in a house with a dead body and was either cleaning up for the killer or was the killer. Then a guy came out with a trash bag.

[Maggie Freeling]

That's all I see.

[Detective Mucklow]

I just glanced.

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Why that report wasn't provided to the defense.

[Detective Mucklow]

Like what's up with that?

[Narrator / Host]

Did you find somebody you recognized?

[Detective Mucklow]

I did point out somebody.

[Narrator / Host]

Hale says detectives told him later the picture he pointed out was that of an alliance police officer.

[Detective Mucklow]

That is the one key part of.

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This case that just never sat right with me.

[Detective Mucklow]

Like the fact that it was never turned over to the defense is shocking.

[Maggie Freeling]

This is death and deceit. An alliance a real time investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. About a month after the murder of Yvonne Lane, alliance police were stuck. They said that the persons of interest had lawyered up. It seems like they're talking about David. So the police were frustrated and did something some might think is controversial.

[David's Attorney]

One of the things that we became aware of at the deposition that we did at the police department back in January was a two tapes that turned out to be the discussion between you and officer Muffler and then an unknown female who we believe to be a psych. Do you recall. Do you recall talking to a psychic on the case?

[Detective Mucklow]

Yes.

[Maggie Freeling]

Yeah, a psychic. The detectives turned to a psychic in their stalled investigation. This is Detective Sampson in a 2008 deposition. David's attorney is questioning him about two audio tapes that were discovered nearly 10 years after the murder and had previously not been handed over to David's defense. The two tapes are of Detective Sampson and Mucklow speaking to a supposed psychic. They recorded themselves for investigation purposes.

[David's Attorney]

Why did you guys decide to take the step.

[Detective Mucklow]

To the Bill Muckle? I wanted to go up and I said I'd go with him.

[David's Attorney]

So it was his idea?

[Detective Mucklow]

Yes.

[David's Attorney]

And he felt like, I think he.

[Detective Mucklow]

Was being pressured from his wife. Oh, the wife was into that now.

[David's Attorney]

His ex wife. Yeah.

[Psychic]

Right.

[David's Attorney]

What do you mean when you say his wife is into that?

[Detective Mucklow]

She was into the psychic reading this and that. And that's where he was getting pressured from. And you should go see a psychic.

[David's Attorney]

So next court, two years, evidently.

[Detective Mucklow]

I don't know.

[David's Attorney]

Daniel.

[Detective Mucklow]

So Mike. So Bill said he was wanting to go or made a phone call or something. And I said, all right, I'll go with you.

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[Maggie Freeling]

About a month after Yvonne's murder. Detective Samson and Mucklow went to Cleveland to the psychic.

[Detective Mucklow]

Way up there, right?

[Psychic]

Yeah. The position is you see a man, it makes a difference.

[Narrator / Host]

Okay.

[Psychic]

You don't think so?

[Detective Mucklow]

I have no idea. I'm a believer. I know the full moon has lots.

[Psychic]

To do with things, but it wasn't a full moon. The moon was in Libra.

[Maggie Freeling]

First, I just want to apologize for the poor audio quality. I had to copy 22 year old cassette tapes and they didn't hold up. Well. It also sounds like there's birds in the psychic's house. Besides all that, the session sounds pretty much like you'd expect. At least at the beginning. There's talk about the moon and astrological symbols, what some might call woo woo stuff. But the psychic session does not continue like that at all. In fact, within a few minutes, it seems like the psychic is a detective and she's asking all the right questions.

[Psychic]

So if I shouldn't follow the name.

[Detective Mucklow]

She didn't.

[Maggie Freeling]

She didn't.

[Detective Mucklow]

She was a welfare mom. Welfare mom.

[Maggie Freeling]

To which the psychic follows up later with a vision. Apparently in her mind, she's picturing Yvonne giving someone money. It confuses her.

[Detective Mucklow]

She didn't have any money, so why.

[Psychic]

Would she be giving money?

[Maggie Freeling]

The psychic is asking, why would Yvonne be giving a guy money? She didn't have any money. And that leads to something shocking from Detective Mucklow.

[Detective Mucklow]

Got a tip from alcohol the other day. She was supposed to be hanging. Hanging around? Well, hanging around by the name a guy by the name of Tommy who was supposedly selling drugs. And supposedly Tommy was giving. Was supplying her with some kind of drug. We didn't find any like cocaine or crack cocaine in the house, but we did find a little bit of marijuana.

[Maggie Freeling]

So Mucklow says she's hanging around a drug dealer. Tommy. I'm censoring Tommy's last name, like a lot of the people you'll hear in this show. I'm not trying to imply that any of these people are the killer of Yvonne. So to protect them, I'm leaving their full names out. But I do think it's fair to say they at least should have been investigated. Anyway, Tommy was never interviewed. That we know of. There's no record of him anywhere in the files. And he's mentioned dozens of times in this recording with the psychic as someone Yvonne was interacting with to get drugs.

[Psychic]

This.

[Maggie Freeling]

And where did Tommy get his drugs? Turns out it's from a cop. Here's Mucklow in his deposition.

[David's Attorney]

Who is Dave McElhenney?

[Detective Mucklow]

Dave McElhenney was a officer on the police department, was a sergeant made lieutenant, and then he resigned here about six months ago. He must have. He must have said that, you know, he must have gave us a verbal tip that Tommy was providing her with drugs.

[Maggie Freeling]

This tip coming from a fellow officer should have made it pretty credible to them, and at least they should have followed up on it. They even say he's kind of like a psycho and had an extensive violent record, including assault, menacing and domestic violence. So why didn't they look into him? And this line of questioning by the psychic leads to even more shocking information and names that were never looked into, that we know of.

[Detective Mucklow]

Local marijuana deal. Actually, he talked to me the other night and I just asked him and he said he got real nervous and, you know, I don't know, after collecting, brought that up. And he said, really stroll? He said, usually, myself and Shiloh are cool. I mean, you know, if he comes and he talks to me. But when I got up, Yvonne Lane saying, I don't know nothing about I have nothing, he was just like, you know, pacing and twirling around in a circle to shame. Hard to say. I. I really don't know the kid that well. He's a bar fly. He hang out in all the bars, local bars. He's. He's only 24, 25, 10.

[Maggie Freeling]

Yeah.

[Psychic]

Got a gentleman that. That on fire over there. That again.

[Maggie Freeling]

Another position.

[Narrator / Host]

Mike.

[Psychic]

Kelly.

[Detective Mucklow]

Kelly.

[Psychic]

She hang out in her.

[Detective Mucklow]

We got the sunny daughter used to dance at Kelly's.

[Psychic]

Thank you.

[Maggie Freeling]

Yes, thank you, psychic. The tape is hard to understand, but what we can glean is that now the suspect pool is even larger. Yvonne was hanging out with some shady characters, and she was allegedly an exotic dancer. When exactly she was is unknown because again, there's no record of this in the police investigative file. So the psychic is suspicious and she starts pushing harder.

[Psychic]

She didn't work?

[Detective Mucklow]

No, she didn't work.

[Maggie Freeling]

The psychic seems a little incensed at the police's blockheadedness.

[Detective Mucklow]

She was very promiscuous.

[Maggie Freeling]

According to this conversation with the psychic, Yvonne may be an exotic dancer. And if the psychic suspicions are right, maybe selling sex for money, too. This could certainly widen the pool of suspects. Yet there's no record of any investigation into that part of her life, even though the police say they're aware of it. No record, not once in any documents. And it gets weirder. So the question is, if true, who was soliciting Yvonne for sex? Well, the psychic finds that out, too.

[Psychic]

She may not be walking tree right Right. But she was doing a.

[Detective Mucklow]

She was possibly seeing a police officer.

[Psychic]

I believe that.

[Detective Mucklow]

And supposedly the youngest child, maybe this policeman's son, Trent, for the one year.

[Psychic]

She was dating a million America.

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[Maggie Freeling]

Dating a married guy with kids. Multiple sources have said a cop may be the father of Yvonne's youngest child, Trenton, a married cop whose name we're going to beep because no charges were ever filed.

[Detective Mucklow]

Supposedly he took Vinnie over there for this policeman to watch and stay there for two weeks.

[Maggie Freeling]

And the detectives say they confronted the officer.

[Detective Mucklow]

Oh, it wasn't me. It wasn't me.

[Narrator / Host]

I, I don't know.

[Detective Mucklow]

I don't know anything about it. I've never. I don't know her and I didn't, didn't have that, you know.

[Maggie Freeling]

And then they bring up another cop.

[Detective Mucklow]

He's kind of a flirt. He likes trying to have a lot of contest.

[Maggie Freeling]

Yes, a great question. The psychic asks, how did she get in with so many cops?

[Detective Mucklow]

Well, supposedly when we, we asked him about it and denied it at first, but then he said, yeah, we, I talked to her and she said she didn't want to see me because.

[Maggie Freeling]

And then the detectives bring up yet another officer. They bring Up Quentin Artis, who if you remember, was the cop harassing Yvonne. According to her mother, the cops told the psychic that artists tried to solicit Yvonne for sex.

[Psychic]

I find out more about what he knew. I don't think he would go have her killed. But I think he knows more about her background than you guys think. I think that you think this is just small potatoes and it's not bigger potatoes than what you're thinking. This girl really stepped up somebody's toast and we think she thinks it needs small potatoes. And eat bigger potatoes than what eats dinner. I just think that you guys need to pick up your food force a little bit. She had an awful lot to do with the pasture.

[Maggie Freeling]

So yeah, been thinking the same thing. She's had a lot to do with the cops. But it's in contradiction to the Yvonne her family knows.

[Detective Mucklow]

Like the story we're getting from both.

[Narrator / Host]

Sides of her family.

[Detective Mucklow]

She was a highway. She didn't go anywhere. She stayed at home with the kids.

[Maggie Freeling]

But the psychic says they're lying to you.

[Psychic]

Missing somebody and she must stay home with her kids. But she left on somebody's house. She said I'm like a kid cuz she was a bullied and was always right. They all came to the door and made out with her. The minute they got to the door, I shoot a new place for. What are you telling me? How comes my door? I just light them. Something doesn't sound right here.

[Detective Mucklow]

Gotta be careful.

[Psychic]

Something doesn't sound right here, guys.

[Maggie Freeling]

That was tough to hear in parts, but the gist is that the psychic is incredulous that Yvonne had so much contact with multiple alliance police officers when they were off duty. She said something doesn't sound right here. She said you guys need a new police force. And she did not let it go.

[Psychic]

I want to know why she knew so many. Why did she miss? I want to know what's the connection that so many cops are in their life? Why would guys that are married with kids be picking her up? What's the connection? You missing a whole piece of the puzzle. Why did she have so many cops? I want to know why. I'm curious. Why does she know so many cops? You never asked about that or wondered about it. Why? You just assume nothing.

[Detective Mucklow]

Gives us somewhere to go now.

[Psychic]

Because of what?

[Detective Mucklow]

Yeah, gives us somewhere to go now. Got so many other leads we've been following, but.

[Psychic]

Yeah, but you're running around in circles when they question you. Why? There's a girl who's a nothing knows so many police officers. Why would she do that?

[Maggie Freeling]

Why?

[Psychic]

Because she screwed him up. And why did she screw him up? Who introduced her to all these police officers? What is wrong with you guys? He didn't ever question that. Why would a girl know so many police officers?

[Detective Mucklow]

Now we will.

[Maggie Freeling]

Of course we know they didn't. At this point, I was so overwhelmed with what I was hearing from Detectives Mucklow and Sampson about their own colleagues that I decided to call an expert.

[Narrator / Host]

You know, in terms of the police force, my God, I had more than eight or nine names of officers who were potential sexual partners.

[Maggie Freeling]

If you recognize this voice, it's Dwayne Pullman, local TV anchor and investigative reporter. You've heard earlier, Dwayne investigated David's case for years. And Dwayne also found that what Mucklow and Samson were telling the psychic about officers from alliance being involved with Yvonne was pretty widely known.

[Narrator / Host]

Some police officers were involved with her either sexually or in the drug thing or both. It's probable based on the, you know, the fact that at that time, it's not just speculation. The police were. The officers were involved in nefarious activity and criminal activity.

[Maggie Freeling]

Now, remember, earlier in the tapes, Mucklow and Samson told the psychic that they found marijuana in Yvonne's house. Well, there's no record of any marijuana in evidence from Yvonne's home. So either that wasn't true or someone pocketed the marijuana. If you remember from last episode, the alliance police were stealing drugs and money from the evidence room. So stealing drugs from someone's home doesn't seem like a stretch. But why would they do that? Well, maybe to sell. Or maybe it was to cover up some kind of connection between the alliance police and drug dealers. A connection that went through Yvonne. If you believe the police were involved, well, maybe they didn't actually kill Yvonne, but they covered it up to save their own asses so there'd be no trail that led to them. And Dwayne also thinks this is possible.

[Narrator / Host]

My suspicion was always that there were so many illegal and troubling connections between police and the criminal element that it almost felt like let's clean it up kind of thing. No matter who did it, let's clean this up so none of us get drawn in.

[Maggie Freeling]

He means clean up the scene of the crime. And this makes total sense to me. The crime scene photos show bleach and gloves on the counter, like someone was cleaning up. And maybe the COVID up wasn't for the drugs. Maybe it was to cover up that half of the force was sleeping with her. In fact, Mucklow and Samson actually speculate about this themselves. They think that maybe this drug dealer is looking to have something on the cops through Yvonne because this, this drug.

[Detective Mucklow]

Guy was putting her up to it. So if he gets caught, he can, he can blackmail the cops for protection.

[Narrator / Host]

Came on the heels of corruption and my only thought is that given what we know about Yvonne is, you know, I'm pretty sure people didn't want a lot of that stuff flying out.

[Maggie Freeling]

Well, yeah, particularly the officers.

[Narrator / Host]

Yeah, right.

[Maggie Freeling]

Maybe that's why they didn't look into leads that led them to drug dealers the detectives knew. And any investigation into that side of her life, drugs or sex work, could lead back to them.

[Narrator / Host]

Yeah, I found alliance to be a really difficult and troubling place to try to get to truth on any subject. I can't get to facts on anything. And that actually it was a pointer to me over the years, became a really clear thing is. Well, of course I can't because the police controlled the narrative and they were dealing with predominantly disadvantaged and impoverished individuals. So, you know, that kind of thing was just a swirl of smeary messages. The case is so troubling because any number of people could have been a suspect in this case. Everyone in this town seems to have some kind of secret or interest in this victim, whether it be drugs, sex, or both. I mean, look who's the suspect? Everybody. So why'd you land on these two? That's the question.

[Maggie Freeling]

Why land on David and Joe?

[Narrator / Host]

The avenues for possibilities are endless on who it could have been.

[Maggie Freeling]

What if it's because David was the furthest away from the drug and sex scene? No investigation into him would lead back to the police in any way.

[Narrator / Host]

Can I say 100% that David Thorne is innocent? No. It's because I don't have enough information to absolutely say one thing or the other. But what I do know is with absolute 100% guarantee, he did not get any due consideration or fair treatment by the system and quite frankly was identified early, focused on and then railroaded into prison. That's what I know.

[Maggie Freeling]

Eric, remember Izzy Vaughn's star crossed lover? The bad boy she couldn't get away from? He's supposedly the father of three of her children. Dwayne interviewed him and left with a disturbing impression.

[Narrator / Host]

He was a hot mess.

[Maggie Freeling]

Yeah.

[Narrator / Host]

Anger and rage disjointed. He was. He literally very. People scared me. He scared me.

[Maggie Freeling]

Detectives Mucklow and Samson also brought up Jeremy. Jeremy is the boyfriend of Eric's mother, Linda. That's a little complicated, but here's the important thing to remember. Linda had taken in Vinnie. He was Yvonne's special needs child and the son of Eric. Just two weeks before the murder, Yvonne took Vinnie back. Vinnie was the four year old who was in the house dressed and may have seen the murderer. The theory is that Jeremy may have killed Yvonne to get Vinnie back for Linda.

[Detective Mucklow]

We don't have a alibi for him.

[Psychic]

Do. How come you didn't investigate?

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[Detective Mucklow]

Yeah, we talked to him.

[Maggie Freeling]

We talked to him.

[Psychic]

No, I'm talking about the Derek's mom's voice.

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Yeah, we did.

[Psychic]

And what did he say?

[Detective Mucklow]

He's cooperative. He gave his fingerprints. He said he'd take a polygraph.

[Maggie Freeling]

But where is this investigation they did into Jeremy? I haven't seen a record of it. And why did they just drop him if he doesn't have an alibi? And then the psychic describes her vision. The person she says killed Yvonne, she says he's about 5 foot 8, dark features, and said Yvonne knew him very well.

[Psychic]

I want a crosscat too. That would be a motorcycle person. Probably somebody who has a crosscut too. Not real big, but there's a cross in them. I do know the killer has to have most. I need somebody who's ex army or marine. Guy that killed her. The killer is ex army or Marine.

[Detective Mucklow]

Jeremy kind of looks darker. Mustache.

[Psychic]

What's the other Aldi?

[Detective Mucklow]

5 8.

[Psychic]

Oh, I described him to a T. Didn't.

[Detective Mucklow]

He was Central Vietnam vet.

[Psychic]

I described the guy to a teeth. Didn't I think back.

[Detective Mucklow]

And John brought up a good point. Was Jeremy born? He was. He was not in the Vietnam war, but he went to Vietnam during the cleanup. Oh, okay.

[Psychic]

Yeah, I should like to see that.

[Detective Mucklow]

He's only 40.

[Psychic]

I should like to see Eric Cameron's money. So he's exactly the age I described. Drunk with a killer. Hello.

[Maggie Freeling]

Jeremy is actually 5 9, does have a mustache and dark hair, dark eyes. And when I got his arrest record, it also listed something that shook even me. Someone skeptical of the abilities of psychics. He has a cross tattoo on his arm. But whether you're a believer or not, every one of these people should have been looked into. And I have no record of it ever happening. Especially because remember Vinnie, the four year old witness even mentioned a Jeremy as the killer. This is Dwayne Pullman again.

[Narrator / Host]

So, you know, from that standpoint, I was just stunned by a system that didn't evaluate, even on motive, the potential, you know, endless motives of others that.

[Maggie Freeling]

Could have been at play in his deposition. Detective Sampson was Asked about all of these people mentioned in the psychic tapes.

[David's Attorney]

What I'm trying to find out is what, when, when other names are brought up by whether they're coming in as tips to you guys or whether you're getting together in a situation like this and kind of jointly coming up with thoughts on like, who could be, you know, where can we look for some information? What I'm trying to find out is all these names that come up in here, were they looked into or not?

[Detective Mucklow]

I don't know.

[Narrator / Host]

The problem with the case and the stuff that has. I'm filled with every time I talk about this case. I get angst every time. And I'm a pretty calm guy. I've been doing journalism for 35 years at a pretty high level and I've covered some crazy stuff. And I felt for the first time in my life on this case inadequate on getting to the truth. I've never felt that before. And I totally. Forgive me, I'm not trying to have a session, but that is really, really difficult because I worked really, really hard on this case. Look, I don't know where you are in life. I know where I am. This, this case has absolutely consumed just about everyone who has touched it. And it's, it's, it's haunting the case is haunting the, the main part. I'm trying to, I'm trying to help you. I hope I'm helping you is that as you evaluate everything, the question really comes down to where do you go?

[Maggie Freeling]

And I knew Dwayne was right. It turns out I didn't open a can of worms. I opened a can of rattlesnakes. Corrupt cops, scandals, drugs and sex. I'm exactly where Dwayne was over a decade ago. Dwayne had one TV special, but it led nowhere. Despite the heart and work that went into it. I was frustrated and worried. I was stuck. I didn't want to end up where Dwayne did after a decade. So I decided it was time to let the professionals have a go. Coming up on death and deceit in Alliance.

[Legal Commentator]

Spent a lot of time on that. And I guess One question is $300 to murder a woman in cold blood?

[Narrator / Host]

The reason David Thorne is sitting in.

[Legal Commentator]

Jail right now is someone that you acknowledge is a liar. I know that the allegations are out there that even some in the police force were taking advantage of Yvonne's services. If that's in fact what was happening. There's a full blown declaration that they went after three friends of David's that they approached first and tried to coerce them into testifying against David. There are things that make you say, well, why is he staying at a freaking hotel in town that night? You know, right off the bat, a couple of things that raised my eyebrows are the knife in the pants. How did Joe lead them to them? What were the circumstances? And Joe did lead them there, then that's a big deal.

[Maggie Freeling]

Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by me, Maggie Freeling with editorial consulting from Amber Hunt. Aaron Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Steve Fishman. Our engineer and production coordinator is Austin Smith. Eric Axelrod is our assistant producer.

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