← The Carpool with Kelly and Lizz
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Kelly
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Liz
Welcome to the Carpool podcast with Kelly.
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KL Shaw
It feels like a more untraditional or scary way, but I think it can be such a more successful way to kind of build your dream life and your dream career.
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Liz
And Liz, I just asked Chachi bt, what do you know about me? And this is where things get a little creepy. You're a parent of two young kids. You're passionate about family vehicles and car content. You host a podcast. Your mom time off starts now. Welcome back to the Carpool Podcast with Liz. Wow, is this the first time I've ever said that? No, it's not. But this is my first solo podcast. Solo because Kelly is currently traveling for work and the second half this week we are taking our our families to the Lake of the Ozarks so we wouldn't have an opportunity to record a podcast together by the time we like need to get it in for our producer to edit. So here's what we're doing. The first half of the episode is all Liz, I have a very fascinating topic that I want to talk about. Lots of tangible takeaways. Exclusively tangible takeaways. And the second half of this episode is a pre recorded interview that we have done with KL Shaw of the salary bump. So we'll get into that. But KL is a professional coach, talks a lot about negotiating your salary, things of that nature. Very interesting. Also a lot of tangible takeaways. So, you know, it's kind of a hodgepodge episode, but you know, that's just kind of. We take a lot of twists and turns in the carpool over here, as you all know. So here's what I want to talk about. Now, this is not going to be for everyone, but it's for some people and it's for me. And I have some disclaimers. So, you know, if this is not for you, I don't know it's not for you, and that is fine. I want to talk about ChatGPT and how you can use ChatGPT in your parenting. Now, AI is kind of a hot topic for a lot of people. I don't know a lot about it, to be honest with you. I've been using ChatGPT. I do pay $20 a month for the pre for chat gbt. I find it worth it. I'd rather not have certain streaming services so I can have ChatGPT. This is just me exposing myself. It's me. Okay, if it's not you, it's not you, but this is me. I like to use Chat cbt and I have found it so helpful in so many ways in my parenting. And I shared about this on my stories and I got a lot of positive feedback about it. People just being like, wow, that was such a good idea. And I just, I. It was. It's one way that I've been using Chat cbt. So I'm going to discuss what that was in case you miss it on my Instagram. But I'm also going to give you a other ways you can use AI in your parenting. Because I mean, really, the possibilities, the possibilities are endless. So I want to just start by talking about Chat GPT if you don't have it and if you don't really know. And again, I don't, I don't know a ton about it and I don't know how this is all gonna like play out in, in the end of. In the end of things. But when you create an account with ChatGPT, it's learning. It's constantly learning about you. And while it learns about you, it gives you more tailored answers, which is helpful. Other people might find it creepy. So if you say, hey, I need some gluten free cookie recipes, it's going to track that you are gluten free. So if you ask it for a future recipe, I might say, hey, do you want this to be gluten free or not, it learns about you. So for me, I have been asking ChatGPT a lot of questions in the past several months. So what ChatGPT knows about my kids, which again, this is where this might not be for everyone. Chachi PT knows their ages and ChatGPT knows that Sloan has f pies and ChatGPT, I think knows their genders because I've had to ask a specific question about f pies. So then it, it tracked and it, and it learned and it remembered that Sloan has f pies. So something, something to know, it doesn't really bother me because then when I ask for future questions. So let's say, well, this will be one of my examples. One of the ways you can use ChatGPT is for packing lists. So like I said, we're going to the Ozarks. I can say, hey, Chat cbt, give me a packing list for my family for four days. We're going to the lake of the Ozarks. It will write out a packing list for me. It will write out a pack and then it'll say, your two year old, here's what they should pack. Your ten month old, here's what they should pack. And you know, it makes, it makes things easier because I didn't need to say I have a 2 year old, I have a 10 month old. Like it remembers, it's learning and, and it's, it already knows who in my family I need to pack for. So that's one way packing list is, is one way you can use ChatGPT another way you can use ChatGPT in your parenting. And this is Kelly's and Kelly has shared this before bedtime stories. So when she is trying to read a bedtime story to her three children with very different interests and they all want to be involved, she says, george, give me, give me a topic. George has snake. Hattie says rainbow. Fred says tractor. ChatGPT, write me a five minute bedtime story. Include these three things, like within seconds. Here is a story about the rainbow tractor who has to go find the lost snake. Boom, you're done. Very, very helpful for, for bedtime. And you can also, like I said, like you can also include their ages or we'll learn over time about their ages. So they will be age appropriate stories. Also time appropriate. That's, that's a really big thing with chatbots. 5 minutes, 10 minutes. Like you can make it so specific and it will, it will drill it down like that specifically, which I have found to be so helpful. So one area you can get really specific with Chat. CBT is on this, on the schedule. So this is the tip that I shared with my. With my Instagram. So Maddie's currently off doing marine things for two weeks. Don't ask me where. Don't ask me how. I don't know what he's doing, but he's gone. So I'm looking down the barrel of a lot of solo parenting days, and that can get really hard. So what I have done is I have asked ChatGPT for schedules for my days, and it's not about following the schedule because I will never follow the schedule, but something about seeing the schedule on the screen. It's. It gives me a path throughout my day. So now I don't. At the beginning of the day, I'm like, I do not know how I'm gonna get to 7:30. Like, I do not know how I'm gonna get there. This gives me the path. It gives me a map. Now I'm gonna go off the map. I'm gonna go off roading for sure. But it. At least it. I. At least I can see. I can conceptualize how I might get through. It even gives good ideas. It's like, hey, maybe before the nap, you could do, like, books and, like, quiet time. And I'm like, oh, that's a good idea. We were just gonna, like, I don't know, play with dinosaurs all day. But I want to read you the exact message that I sent Chat before I got my. Okay. Just so you can get an idea of, like, how specific you can get. Give me a schedule for the day. I'm solo parenting and planning to take my kids to the farm. It's an hour away. We have chickens, horses, a playground, and a pool. I plan to leave for the farm around noon, and we are staying the night there. So what I told Chat was what time we're leaving. I told them what activities we have at the farm. I told them that we're staying the night, and I told them that the farm is an hour away. So what are we going to do with all that information? Now, that's kind of an easy one, to be honest, but it just. It shows you how specific you can get. But what I mean by that is they chat over learning over time, knows when my kids take naps. So they said. What did they say? He she it. 7am Wake up and breakfast. Simple breakfast. Oatmeal toast with nut butter, fruit, and eggs. Like, yeah, I forgot about just like a toast with nut butter, you know, and fruit. Let them help feed Pets or pack their backpacks to get involved. What a good idea. Would have never thought about that. 8:00am Free play and farm prep. Like this is the thing, let the kids go play. This is your opportunity to pack. So it's also it also knows that I need time to pack and it's building that into my schedule. 9:30, outside time walk and activity walk, play with chalk, sprinkler in the yard. Try to burn a little energy before the drive smart. 10:30, early lunch at home. Keep it simple. PBJs, quesadillas, veggie pouches. Because what I'm not gonna like, make a whole lunch and then clean it up right before I have to leave. 11:30, load up and hit the road. Plan for naps in the car. 12:30 to 1:30 drive 1:30 to 2, arrive and settle in, Unload diaper change. Quick orientation for the kids. Like it thinks of everything and then it goes throughout different times and different things we can do at at the farm based off of the information that I gave it. Give you dinner ideas, give you activity ideas, tell you when we should do bath time. Like it's just again, you do not have to stick to the schedule. And it's not about sticking to the schedule, but it empowers me to see what I do have to do. Because in my mom brain I know that I have to do all of these things. But what I'm not gonna go find a pen and paper and write it down. Like, when do I have time for that? Like added to the list of other things I have to do. Seeing these things written out and seeing when I'm gonna have time to do the things that I need to do is so helpful for me. And now I am one that likes to make a schedule. I'm a big scheduler. So sometimes I do like to create my own schedule. But even just seeing this done once or twice before, I like this type of schedule. So I can then go. I don't have to use chat GPT every single time I need to make a schedule for my kids. I can make it myself. Sometimes I just don't have time or respectfully, the headspace. Okay. Some other ways that you can use chat GPT. We're going to talk about meals.
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KL Shaw
So.
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Liz
Meal prepping. I'm sure you've seen this on the Internet. ChatGPT. Give me a list of, you know, let me just type it in and we'll just see what they say. What should we ask for? Give me a week of dinner ideas for my family and my Picky toddler period. And a shopping list. I'd like to reuse some of the ingredients. Okay. Let's see what they say. Here's a toddler friendly family dinner plan for seven days with a shopping list. Chicken quesadillas, pasta with hidden veggie, veggie marinara, DIY breakfast for dinner. It's also giving me all of the ingredients underneath these. I'm just reading you the headliners. Slider sliders with sweet potato fries. One pan chicken, rice and broccoli baked taco bowls, pizza night shopping list breaks it into protein produce pantry dairy breads frozen. Done. Okay. It's key to ask for the shopping list and I think it's also key to try and reuse stuff because, I mean, sometimes it'll just like send you off in like a million different directions if you don't really narrow it in. The more specific you can be, the more helpful it's going to be for you. Love, love using it for meal. A weekly meal plan. The other thing that I like to use it for is meal ideas. So let's say what did Kelly need to use? Israeli couscous. Chatgpt. I don't know why I keep saying that. I have chatgpt. I have Israeli couscous and a zucchini. What should I make for dinner? It will then tell. It will give you an idea. And maybe you only need to get a few ingredients. Or if you're looking in your pantry and you don't want to go to the store. Oh, I've done this before. I threw the most random. No, it was for a smoothie or a popsicle or something. I threw the most random. Every fruit, vegetable, frozen fruit, frozen vegetable juice, protein powder, like chia seeds, like seeds and nuts and et cetera. That I had. Honey, peanut butter, maple syrup, like anything you could possibly ever put into a smoothie or like a homemade popsicle. I said, I have all these ingredients. Make me smoothie recipes, make me popsicle recipes. It was so, so smart. And it just, it, it helped me use up what I had. I remember I did this when I was trying to clean out my cloth. My, my pantry before we moved out of our house really helps with pantry cleanouts, with fridge cleanouts. This is what I've got. What can we make? Helps you get a little more creative. Okay. The next two have to do with just like activities and just like surviving with your kids. So let us, let's say it's a rainy day and you are stuck inside with your kids and you, you don't know what to do. ChatGPT give me. I'm going to put it back into the phone. I like putting it. I like just, I like running through the exercise with everyone. Give me a rainy day activity that I can do with my 6 and 4 year old niece and nephew period. Make it Montessori style. I don't, I don't. I just threw Montessori. Like make it whatever style, whatever parenting approach, whatever that means for you. I just threw Montessori out there. Okay, let's see. Activity. Build your own snack cafe, Montessori style. Why it's Montessori. Encourages, encourages, encourages independence and life skills. Involves real materials and practical tasks. Promotes fine decisions, decision making, fine motor skills and food prep. Okay, tells me everything we need. What you'll need Snack options. Choose four to six tools. Tongs, small plates and bowls, cups for water and milk. What they do and okay, they're just plain cafe. Inside you can say. Oh and bonus activities. Let them design a sign for their cafe. Make it. Make simple place cards or menus. Use a timer to take turns being the server versus the customer. What I also could have done is said give me five and it would have spit out five. You just bought yourself 45 minutes, maybe more if you do the other activities. And I did it for George and Hattie because it just goes to show that like put your kids ages in there. Like my James would not want to do that because he wouldn't, he wouldn't know. It really helps if you can be super specific and over time like Chachi PT will be able to like they don't know anything about George and Honey because I don't like talk about them on with my chat. But it might have given me one that was like, like animal themed because it will know over time through the questions that I've asked that George likes animals. It's just, it's very interesting. So activities. If you don't know what to do, you can also ask for crafts. Give me an indoor activity. Crafts. I have construction papers, markers and scissors. What are we making? Might give you an idea. Okay, the next one, last one is just like book and toy recommendations so specifically for your kids. So I have a two year old. I'm, I'm actually about to go actually I'm gonna do this right now because I need to know. I am going to the JBF sale just between friends. Kelly and I talked about this on another PODC and I want to try and get some Christmas presents stocked up for James and I was telling my mom this. And I was like, I have the intention to buy James's. Chris, a lot of James and Sloan's Christmas presents at this sale. I don't know how I'm going to make it to Christmas without pulling these out and giving it to them. Chris, wrap them, wrap them in August and you will be less likely to just pull them out. Wrap them in the Christmas paper. Wrap them in the leftover Christmas paper you have. Buy your Christmas paper now. I'm sure Home Goods already has Christmas stuff up. If we're being honest, you'll be less likely. And if you. And if you do pull them out, a wrapped present. Wrapped Christmas present. You were desperate and it was time and you didn't have any other options. And Chat GPT wasn't giving you any good ideas. All right, give me book and toy recommendations for my 2 and a half year old. For my 2 and a half year old boy. He loves dinosaurs and animals. Let's see. Dinosaur books. Gives me exact books. Oh, how does, how do dinosaurs say good night. That's a great one. Animal books, toy recommendations. Melissa and Doug Dinosaur wooden puzzle green dinosaur green toys. Dinosaur dino egg dig kit toddler. Safe version. And then this is so funny. It also said bonus Montessori style ideas. Because I just asked the question about Montessori. I don't, I don't do the Montessori approach. I think it sounds cool. I just, I don't know how to do that in practice. I've never asked it about Montessori before, but because I just it in the previous question, now it, now it has learned that about me. So those are a couple of ways that I have used ChatGPT in my parenting. Like I said, it's not for everyone. Some take it, leave it. Take what you like, leave what you don't like. Give it a try, don't give it a try. It's helped me. It's really a choose your own adventure kind of thing, which is what I love about it. It's so customizable for. For you. And you know, I'm gonna keep using it, so it's for me. How did I do on my first solo podcast, I felt like I talked a lot. I felt like I talked too much. But I guess it's a podcast after all. Now here's something that's kind of interesting to chat about. Chat GPT again, guys. I don't know how I feel about all of it. Collecting information. I don't know where I'm at on that. It's kind, it's I don't love it. But like, I also don't know if it's doing any harm. So I just asked Chachi bt, what do you know about me? And this is where things get a little creepy. You're a parent of two young kids. You're passionate about family vehicles and car content. You host a podcast. You're you're currently having a doing a renovation. You're a planner and a realist. You're active on Instagram. You're running multiple things at once, possibly your household, your business and content creation. It feels weird to be so seen and so known, but it's also nice. It's like you get me. So anyway, that's a little about chat circumstances, old chassis GPT. So that take it, leave it. I hope you enjoyed it. I enjoyed talking about it. I really like using it. I really like talking about it. So let me know if you end up trying any of these tips and if they work for you or if you have any Chachi PT hacks that you have realized in your parenting.
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KL Shaw
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Guest
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Kelly
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Liz
Get to the second half. There's no great way to transition into this because they are two totally different topics. But let's get into our interview with KL Shaw of the Salary bump.
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KL Shaw
All right, you guys, we are so excited for today's guest because we have KL Shaw, who is the founder of the salary bump, who. Hi, K.L.
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Liz
How are you? Hi.
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Guest
I'm great. Thanks for having me.
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KL Shaw
Such a fun story. We. When Elizabeth and I did tours of the New York Auto Show. Was that two years ago? Oh, a year ago. Two years ago.
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Guest
A year ago.
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KL Shaw
A year ago. Right Time. Wow. You were on our tour and you had such razzle dazzle and you were like, yeah, you, you like, you had such an impressive resume. And I literally couldn't believe that you signed up to go on our rinky dink tour of the New York Auto Show. Like, that was crazy. And I'm so happy that we're reconnected and I'm so happy that you can be a part of side Hustle Summer to help our audience understand the importance of their worth, negotiating their salaries, maybe finding their new job. I'm just really excited for this conversation. So to get us started, Kale, why don't you just give us a little bit of your background and what you're doing with the salary bump.
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Guest
I love it. Well, first of all, I came on your tour because I'm a gearhead, I ride a Harley, I was 20 years in automotive. I sold cars to pay for college. And I love so much what you're doing for this industry, especially for women, and love everything about it. So that's why I joined. And yeah, so I spent a big part of my career in sales and marketing and the last decade in HR and didn't know how to spell hr. My whole career was saying yes to every opportunity because I wanted to learn and grow. And when I fell into hr, I thought, I believe my purpose is to help people unlock their potential. And this couldn't be a more perfect place. And throughout that time, I became a professional coach and I helped people really find their passion and help them unlock it and fast forward and never thought I would own a company. And here we are.
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KL Shaw
I love that.
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Liz
I want to talk a little bit more about what this coaching looks like. Like, what specifically types of things are you coaching People on.
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Guest
So I launched the salary bump and that was really for people who were about to jump into their dream interview. They have an offer in hand or are really about to start having the negotiation conversation. That was brilliant. I launched that and then realized that people were coming to me a little bit earlier in the stage of job hunting. They were more in career transition. They were thinking, I don't know what's next for me. I know I don't. I'm not happy where I am. I. Or I've just had a career pause and I want to get back into industry, but I don't know what that looks like. So the career bump was born. So two little sisters and then a little bit of a whoops happened. I did a couple of videos about revenge quitting and quiet quitting and why both of those are really bad ideas. And then instead you should proactively ask for a package. And people came out of the woodwork. They went viral. And the neat part about all three products that I've launched is that they all share clothes. So the sisters will, you know, people will come to me at different stages of their career. Perhaps they're really miserable, perhaps they just got laid off. Perhaps they're on a pip. Perhaps they're just really unhappy and they get to actually use all three. Two of the three most of my clients use. And yeah, helping them find their way and know their worth is is my big mission.
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KL Shaw
One thing that was really interesting and some of the stats you sent over was that it said your network is your net worth. 80% of jobs don't come from applying online. They come from conversations.
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Guest
Yes.
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KL Shaw
And I'm just such a believer. And because I've just seen it work in so many aspects of my life, of things just really organically happening, like, and even just the car mom team, we don't put out like ads. Like, we just. We have people who shoot their shot, who network, who bring me something that they want to do. And I do think there, it's just not. It feels like a more untraditional or scary way, but I think it can be such a more successful way to kind of build your dream life and your dream career. So I just thought that was interesting to hear. 80% of jobs are found that way.
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Guest
It's an alarming number. And actually, I think 80% when somebody is looking for a job, they're spending 80% of their time on LinkedIn posting for jobs and crossing their fingers that the ATS system is going to pick up their resume. And that is not where you should be putting your energy. It is not how jobs are found. One conversation can change your life. One conversation. And if you don't tell people what you love, what you're really good at, how you want to impact the world and you are not out there, people are afraid. They don't want to tell people they were laid off. They don't, they don't want to tell them that they're on the job market. So I get it. But the ones who open that door are the ones who are landing the next opportunities.
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Liz
So can we talk a little bit about, you know, speaking of side hustle, summer and working, maybe you took some time off to be with your kids. How can women who were stay at home moms and are wanting to get back in the workforce, how can they sort of reframe that time off to not look like they have this huge resume gap? Like, what are some steps that they can take?
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Guest
Well, ultimately they do have a formal resume gap. But I'm a mom. Your mom's. It's the hardest job on the planet.
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Liz
It is.
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Guest
Think about organizational skills, multitasking. Think about all the ways that you can translate what that full time job, more than full time job, has given you from a managerial standpoint, from a leadership standpoint, from a teaching learning standpoint. So it's really about identifying what it is that you love and what you're really good at. And how do you show up in an interview. I don't recommend people show up and go through their resume. That's not, that's boring. I have interviewed thousands of people in my career and I want to know who you are. I want to know what makes you special. I want to know how you want to impact the world. That is how I recommend everybody navigate is sitting, setting up their ikigai, which is a Japanese proverb about if you get, if you step into something that you love, that you're good at and how you can impact the world, you will have a far more fulfilling life. So focus on that. Focus on what you have done in that pause, that formal pause. And I'm sure you've done things around adding to your toolkit. Perhaps you've taken some AI courses. Like think about what's happening on the market and how you can continue to add value. Yeah, there's so many ways to pivot that that I don't look at it as a career pause.
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KL Shaw
And couldn't you also, I mean, kind of make the argument that a moment with older kids re entering the workforce like you're Also saying, like, hey, I'm not having more kids. I don't have young kids. Like, that phase is closed. Like, I'm ready to, like, really do this and to make this my baby for the next 10, 15 years versus, like, you know, when you're just starting off, like, you don't have. You, of course, like, you. You don't have.
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Liz
I don't.
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KL Shaw
I don't know. And I'm not trying to say, like, you're more marketable because, like, you already had your kids and, like, a young woman entering is, like, about to have kids. Like, I don't want to say that, but I do think there's value in saying, like, you did that that phase is over, and, like, here's the next phase that you're focusing on.
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Guest
You know, Yeah, I think there's value in that, but I also think there's value in young moms as well. Right. Like, we all have something incredible to bring to this world, and we need to tap into that. And great leaders are tapping into that. Great leaders are trying to figure out what it is that. How they can be flexible, how they can make it work for you as well. And so I wouldn't want to discount that. Certainly if you have had your children and you're going back to work, they're in school, you have that flexibility. Talk about that. Absolutely.
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KL Shaw
And when you say, like, you know, the importance of, like, the best prep wins being prepared, do you think it's really important to, you know, when you have that opportunity, when you're, like, going into, like, even if it's just like a networking conversation, do you recommend just, like, having a lot of context for the company for the person, bringing some ideas on how you could help or, like, what is. What is good prep look like?
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Guest
Good prep for networking is knowing who you are. You are full stop knowing who you are, what you love, what you're really good at, and how you can make an impact wherever that is. Because the person on the other side, you don't necessarily know that much about them. You might be able to research them quickly on LinkedIn, but it's about establishing a connection. I want to draw the person in, so I want to share. You said that when I met you, I had a really. I don't remember the words that you used, but I left some kind of impression on you.
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KL Shaw
I remembered exactly. I agree. I remember exactly who you were. I could. I could picture the conversation. It's like that you don't remember what people said, but they remember how you made them feel. Like I remember how you made me feel and I liked it.
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Guest
So that is exactly the point. Every conversation, you have no idea how that conversation could lead to an opportunity that can lead to a future connection. So you want to go in and talk about you and your wow factor, what makes you special, what's your story. And the story is what draws people in and then that sparks different ideas. If, if you come to me and say, yeah, I wanted, I'm disrupting the car industry, I sold cars, this is what I discovered. I'd be like, oh God, you need to meet so so, so, so, so, so, so so. I think that so so needs to meet you. I think this is so interesting. I think the value that you're bringing, even if you don't know exactly what the value is or you don't know all, you don't have all the answers. Yeah, you have something, you have an idea, you have a spark.
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KL Shaw
Yeah.
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Guest
Let the conversation flow, that person to pick up on it. And it may not be, it may be a dud, but most of the time you will, you will see their eyes start sparkling and a call to action that I will say to every single networking conversation, the call to action is always, is there anyone, based on this conversation we had today that you think I should meet? Because that's where the tentacles go and that's where you then start having more conversations. You did ask about preparation though. Preparation for networking is different than preparation for an interview. So just like before you walk into a dealership to buy a car, you encourage your people to do their homework on the market. Right? Right. Same when it goes to an interview, you need to research the company. Besides knowing who you are and pulling them in in that first few minutes, you need to prep what are the top 50 interview questions? What are interview questions that I am going to get and how do I share my impact and my examples so that I leave a lasting impact. Many people really struggle with the interview process. So preparation, there's nothing more important than preparing for both the networking but also for the interview and also market value of the role. Because I want you to get paid what you're worth. Right. And you need to know what your non negotiables are. You need to know what your values are. What do you value? Perhaps I am a young mom and I value time off. Right. I value flexibility, I value remote work. You have to know what those are so that when you're having these conversations you are aligning on that. If it's a full time in, in, in office job that is an hour of commute that probably isn't the right one for you if that's not what you value.
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Liz
Yeah. Is there anything that you like probably wouldn't say in an interview or do you, do you. Because you sound like you're very open, like you're just like, this is. You kind of want to tell the story. You want to be confident, you want to share your values and your goals. Is there anything you would like keep close to your chest?
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Guest
I think to be mindful of ultimatums around the flexibility in your work or your schedule. You don't want that to be a non starter that they can fall in love with you. But if you pull that in a little too early in the conversation, you could have shot your shot and it ends up actually shooting you in the foot. So if you're. It's a non negotiable, like I have to, I can't be in the office more than two days a week. And their flexibility is four days. Well, that's a negotiating factor that we can negotiate once they fall in love with you.
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KL Shaw
Right?
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Guest
Yeah. So don't like be like, you know, like super aggressive with that stuff. I think that stuff that you would say, listen, you want me, I want you. Let's find a way to make this work. Here's what I think I can, I can manage or look, I just need the flexibility during summer months when my kids aren't in school. Can we talk about what that looks like? That is all negotiable. I wouldn't pull it up too fast.
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KL Shaw
I think that's, I think that's really good, really good advice. It's been so, it's been so long since I've had to like go through like that interview process and yeah, I think, I think it can just be a little intimidating. So I, I can see how like prep will just give, just give you more confidence to, to, to hopefully nail the interview. Tell us about though. You talk about something called a talent reel.
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Guest
Yeah.
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KL Shaw
Can you tell us what that is and why it's your secret. Why it's the secret weapon for re entering the workforce.
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Guest
So we talked a little bit about it. I just didn't say what that, what it was. But that is answering three key questions and that's the draw that you draw people in in the very beginning. So when I ask you, Kelly, tell me about yourself. Liz, tell me about yourself. That is your 92nd to make. You only have a few seconds to make an impression. And so I ask my clients three questions. What do you Love. I mean, light your fire love. What are you really good at? Eyes closed, hands tied behind your back, and how do you. Or are you making an impact on the world? That is then the red thread that is really throughout your life. It's not necessarily only related to your resume. So if I answer those three questions, what I love is helping people find their way and find what their secret sauce is. And I'm really good at puzzles solving super complex ones. I lift up the hood and I want. I dive in. The more complex the problem, the better I feel I have the ability to bring teams together and figure out solutions that most people run away from. And how I want to make an impact on the world is do my part to close the gender and racial pay gap. So you answer that question based on who you are so that you can connect with the person on the other end. That's what I call a talent reel. Some people call an elevator pitch. But you're going to get asked that question on a first date. You're going to get that. Ask that question in a networking event. You're going to get that question at the very beginning of every single interview. And you need to know how to answer it so it draws the person in so they actually care to even go through the interview with you. You.
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Liz
So are you answering that? Is that. Does that answer to that question pretty much stay the same regardless? Like, let's say that's your answer and you're applying for an admin job. Like, nothing that really requires, you know, this, like, you know, a ton of background. Do you still. Would you still use that approach or would you try and tailor it.
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Guest
You might tailor it slightly on a first date, like, you know, maybe or at a networking event. It's. It's a pretty standard answer because again, it's about you. It's not about the work that you've done before. It's about setting the stage. If. If I love solving complex problems and I'm going for an admin role, they're like rock and roll. We need. Yeah, we, we got, you know, what, hitting the fan constantly. So she'd be a great fit. And it's not about you fitting to them, it's about them fitting you. So if you are tailoring your answer to try to solve something that you don't even know what you're trying to solve, you're not necessarily being authentic to you. So it's always about being authentic. Because that connection and that authenticity is the most crucial part of. This is a marriage. This is. I'M spending eight plus hours a day with you. I better be a fit.
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Liz
It's so true. Like the vibes that you get from a person because I'm sure interviewer sees so many resumes and they're like, really, any one of these people could probably do this job. Like, which one did I vibe with the best? Who do I think is going to have good energy coming into the office? Who do I think is going to answer my emails? Who do I just like the best? Like, that can be the, the turning point and you getting the job versus not.
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Guest
It's a deciding factor. Liz. If the person is a dud and you can't get anything out of them and you have to pull throughout that whole interview, you will not pass go promise.
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KL Shaw
And I think the good news is for people is to your point, like a lot of that stuff, you don't have to have, I mean 5, 10, 15 years of experience to necessarily nail an interview. You know, if you're, if you're very clear with who you are, what you do, what drives you, what your goals are, you have a good work ethic. I just think, and I again, I do, like, not a lot of hiring, but like, I just think that goes. I almost like don't even care what the resume says. Like, I kind of care, but no, not really. Like, okay, like, you know, are you going to figure it out? Do you have good energy? And I just, I think it's good news for everyone that that's what people are really looking at.
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Guest
Yeah, it's your attitude. I can teach you anything. I think this market is really weird. I think less and less leaders are looking, they're looking for unicorns. They're looking for somebody who has exact, exact experience. And I, I don't think I had experience for any job I've ever had in my career. And I don't think I ever applied for a job. Almost every single job I got was through my network and it was because someone tapped me on the shoulder and said, I like her attitude, I like her energy. She does good work. She's optimistic, she's got grit, she's got resilience. So what are the things that people are looking for and how do you want to, you know, what do you want to be surrounded by? If I'm not negative, you know, not a, not an optimistic person, then my energy will probably not be a match for you. But you can see pretty quickly the kind of energy that shows up and whether or not that feels like it would work for you and for Your team because they're looking to see who would be a fit on our team. I actually was declined a job once. You'll laugh at this. It was a Chro role for Incredibly Awesome Beauty company. And they did a Hogan assessment on me, and my optimism score was 99 out of 100. And the CEO said, I think your optimism score is too high for my team. The team actually scored really low on this. And I was like, well, isn't that exactly the reason why you would want.
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Liz
Don't you.
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KL Shaw
To bring up the average around here.
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Guest
Saved me because I don't want to be part of that environment. And I might have said yes to it, thinking I can come in and I can change it. But it's. It's also for you as the person who is interviewing, to read the room. If you don't match and vibe with the person's energy, that's a hard no. And you get to say no. In knowing your worth, knowing your value, what you're walking into, you're spending a lot of time with these people. You sure better have a good vibe on your end as well.
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Liz
I would always walk into an interview, I would always tell myself, because I'd be so nervous. I would always say, they need me more than I need them. And whether that's true or not, that is what I had to tell myself. So I felt more comfortable and just like, I'm a catch. You guys would be lucky to hire me. You need me more than I need you. Because I think we do. Forget about that when you're applying for jobs, because it can be very demoralizing when, like you said, like, you're throwing your resume left and right on LinkedIn and that's just not how jobs are being got, being given. So it can be very demoralizing when you finally get that interview. And then you're like, okay, hopefully this is it. But you're right. They might not be a good. You might not like working there, and it's a huge portion of your life, and you're leaving your family much of the time to go and do it, so you better love it.
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Guest
That is the coolest mantra. I love it so much. But this is also a mantra that you use going into the negotiation because you need to know that if it's lower than this amount, I'm walking away. I know what I'm worth. And you've done your market research. You know what the market is paying. You know where you were. You know this is a promotion, so you know what that number is. And it's extremely important to know that you're a catch.
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Liz
Just like buying a car.
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KL Shaw
Just like buying a car or dating.
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Guest
It'S the same thing. It's like, I'm a catch.
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Liz
Yeah, Come on.
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KL Shaw
Totally. I love that. Well, this has been so helpful. Can you tell people where they can find you?
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Guest
Sure. So my number one platform is on LinkedIn.
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KL Shaw
Makes sense.
- [46:58]
Guest
Carrie Lynn Shaw. Yeah, that's where most of my people are. And I also, my website, thesalary. Bump.com. i'm on YouTube and all the, all the places. But yeah. This was a pleasure. Thank you.
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Liz
Thank you so much for joining us. Kale already told us that she does not have a digital drive thru because you said you.
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Guest
I cut my finger off. I cut my pinky finger off. Once she's back, she had to, you know, have a deep sea surgery. But I don't belong in the kitchen, so.
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Liz
Yeah, so.
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KL Shaw
So everyone has permission to go through the drive thru tonight. Like, you know what I mean?
- [47:31]
Liz
We're all Carry out. We're all doing it.
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KL Shaw
We're all doing Carry out tonight.
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Guest
Love it.
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Liz
All right, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for listening to the carpool podcast with Kelly and Liz. Make sure you're subscribed so you never miss an episode.
- [47:46]
KL Shaw
And if you enjoyed riding with us.
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Liz
Tell everybody you know know there's room.
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KL Shaw
In the car for everyone.