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I was determined to do more of the biggies, which feels like a really strange way to refer to horrible serial killers. But to hit some of the big ones in 2022, because I kind of avoided them because I always wanted to, like, touch on, you know, new ones, lesser heard of stuff. But also I realized people love the classics again. So. Simon, classics biggies. These were horrible 20th century serial killers. You know, we got Ted Bundy coming up. That's gonna be grim. Ed Gein. That's. Even though he killed less People, he just did it in such a horrible way that it's like, oh, my God, Ed, what the F, mate? This one is Richard Ramirez. Also another one, I think. You know, there's no way I'm naming this video anything other than the Night Stalker, because that's just the name I think the press gave him. And definitely the name that we're gonna use for this episode because, I mean, it's a really. It's a solid name. And a big thank you to new writer Jennifer. I know that's confusing by think, Simon, you just made a mistake. Jen does the editing. She adds the audio and the video and the stuff afterwards that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, guess what? Today's episode, written by. I don't know if Jennifer goes by Jen, but written by Jen, edited by Jed, read by Simon. That's right. Different people, though, especially me, because, well, I got a different name. No one's confused. Let's just get into the episode. Good Lord, it's a cold read. If you're new here, I've never read it before. We explore it together. Enough introduction. Off we go. It's February 29, 1960. The U.S. american News is filled with a Soviet ice hockey player helping their domestic team win. And the same day, the city of Agadir, Morocco, will be shaken by an earthquake measuring almost six on the Richter scale. These are all just sort of news events that you think will be forgotten, but because, you know, in a podcast in 2022, here we are setting the scene with them. But Mercedes Ramirez could not care about any of that. The El Paso, Texas, resident is about to give birth to her fifth child, another son. She'd been praying for a healthy child since she found out one was on its way. The deeply religious parents often looked to the Bible for guidance rather than a pediatrician. Mrs. Ramirez immigrated from the US to Mex. Nope, that's the wrong way round to the US From Mexico and. And has been working at a boot factory to feed herself and her increasing number of offspring. As you may have guessed, the working conditions in the factory are far from safe, especially for women carrying children. Oh, it's the 1960s and immigrants. And again, I feel like I brought up this exact same thing in a recent video. But it's like, yeah, conditions are better now. Like immigrants in the us they don't have to work in factories. And I'm like, wait, you don't know anything about this, Simon. You don't know if that's changed or if it's better or. I just Imagine there are more labor laws, but there's a lot of illegal immigration, Right? And I mean, if you're an illegal immigrant, I know that labor laws should apply to you, but they're just not going to, are they? I don't know how this works. Let's stop talking. Her existing children, Robert, Ruth. Oh, I. Obviously, I don't know if she's an illegal immigrant. She just says she's an immigrant, so I'm just going to assume she's not. I don't know why I would assume that she was. I'm definitely getting cancelled. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. I'm sorry. Her existing children, Robert, Ruth, Reuben and Joseph had all entered this world with birth defects caused by the toxic chemical fumes their mother was exposed to while working at the factory. Well, now I just feel even worse. But her prayers were answered and Ricardo Leyva Munoz Ramirez was born without any complications or visible deformities. Making a monster. Now, shortly after the subject of today's episode was born, we already are entering familiar casual criminalist territory. Oh, I know where we're going. I'm guessing Ricardo is Richard Ramirez. And I'm guessing that he did not have the most brilliant of childhoods, because bad childhoods do maketh the serial killer remember. One thing you should never inflict on your children if you don't want them to become horrible people or if you want them to be a decent human being, is abuse of any kind. I feel like we shouldn't need to say that, but here we are. Ricardo's father, Julian Ramirez, but it's pronounced a Mexican. Mexican. Spanish. Is it Julio Julian? Julian Ramirez. I'm sorry, I don't know. Just let's call him Julian. Was a Mexican. I love the name Julian, by the way. I wanted to name my kid Julian, but my wife vetoed it. She was like, I don't like it that much. And I'm like, okay, we found another name that we both like, which was nice. I don't generally mention the names of my kids in the Internet because I just. I don't know. It's their choice if they want to have private lives or not. And yeah, not important. Let's carry on. My kid's not called Julian now, you know, having been a policeman in Ciudad Juarez until leaving the country for the United States. Like many others of his countrymen, however, his qualifications were not recognized in his new home, so he was doomed to work as a mere laborer on the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe railway. What a Dishonor. He would often growl when returning home from work. But mere complaints were on the tolerable side of the spectrum. Julian Ramirez was incredibly prone to violent outbursts and fits of rage. In addition to that, his perceived failure in finding a job similar to the one he had back in Mexico drove him to alcoholism. As we all know, alcohol hats acts as a mood amplifier. Yeah, it does. Wait, this is gonna go dark, isn't it? Because he's gonna. He's gonna be like, his mood, like my mood get amplified, and I enjoy, like, conversation and food and just, you know, socialization, all that, like, you know, stuff slightly more. Whereas I get the feeling his sort of amplification is gonna lead to him beating his kids or something, which is, you know, it can cause euphoria and a calming sense of carefreeness. This is why so many unhappy people fall victim to it and begin to abuse its effects. But not only the good emotions are reinforced. This is also true for sadness. Many people who commit suicide are under the influence of alcohol during their final moments, and in this case, anger and frustration. One day, Ruben Ramirez, one of his sons, was arrested for stealing a car. That was one of the moments his father Julian, snapped. He became enraged and started to turn to unprecedented violence to punish his son. The only detail that we know of is that Ruben developed a glue sniffing habit shortly afterwards. His brother Robert was also battling an unspecified drug addiction. At the time when this. I remember when I was at school, they were like, don't sniff glue. There were, like, posters up about, you know, don't smoke. Smoking kills. Don't sniff glue. And I was like, I never sniffed glue. I never smoked those posters. I don't think had anything to do with it. I was just like, doesn't seem particularly healthy to sniff glue, does it? That doesn't sound like a brilliant idea. And I probably also didn't understand that it got you high. So I was probably like, okay, let's not sniff glue. It's used for sticking things, isn't it? And I've never sniffed glue, and I don't think I ever will. Revolutionary. When the senior Ramirez was drunk, his anger was particularly bad. He himself had been beaten by his father and grandfather. So it's safe and sad to assume that violence ran in place. The first family, Julian Ramirez had sworn not to treat his five children the same way. But this did not include his wife, Mercedes. She was beaten by her husband, and while losing his temper with her, he also abused his children. Understandably, little Ricardo or Richard, as he was often affectionately Called became extremely scared of his father when he was just two years old. Richard Ramirez was also hit on the head by a cupboard, which was in the process of falling over, causing a large laceration on his forehead. At the age of five, he was hit on the back of the head by a swing. These two are part of a series of injuries that are more closely described by family members who would later speak to the media. Yes, he had been quite literally hit on the head as a child, which ended up causing him to experience many epileptic seizures. I have to say, like, the idea, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, you were dropped on your head as a kid. It's kind of like in popular culture, right? And it's like, yo, I've got two kids. Like, one's a baby, one's slightly older, like two years old. He's gonna be as old. And I've never dropped them, but I can definitely see a point where it's like, you know, you're throwing them around in the air, not in an abusive way, in a way, like, way. Airplanes. Woo. And they're so happy. And then, oh, my God, I dropped you on the floor and you bashed your head. And it's like, did you. Is. Are you now a serial killer? I mean, that's. Is banging your head really responsible for that? I know a guy who's had, like, many concussions. In fact, I know a couple of guys who've had many concussions. They're not violent, they're just. They're just like, yeah, I've had many concussions, and sometimes I can't think properly, but only sometimes, and it's not that bad, and I really shouldn't get any more concussions. One of them had to give up, like, this sport. He was super into, like, almost professional level at this sport. And he was like, yeah, dude, I just got too many concussions. And they said, if I play this anymore and I get another concussion, I'm gonna have, like, brain damage and not be able to work properly, like, my brain for the chance of becoming professional at this. And so he didn't do it anymore. And I'm like, that's so intense. Like, don't look. Head trauma is obviously bad, but what I'm trying to say is that neither of my friends became serial killers. They just seem to have become a tiny bit ADHD or something. His family history of issues such as head injuries and drug addiction did not end with Richard's epilepsy. His father, Julian Ramirez, was not only violent towards his family and loved ones, but also toward himself. Ruth Ramirez, Richard's only sister, remembers one particular incident to this day. Her father was attempting to install a kitchen sink all by himself, Even though he was not a bad craftsman and quite familiar with all the sorts of tools, Due to his work at the railways, he failed to connect the sink to their home's drainage pipe. Really, I feel that if you're connecting a sink, there are two things that you connect. The taps and the drain. And I know nothing about this. I am, like, the least handy person. My wife's like, can you put up that picture? And I'm like, I literally tried to put up a picture, and then it turns out, like, the wall in the apartment's just made of, like, concrete or bricks or something. So I couldn't get a drill in there. And I'm like, nah, I don't have the tools for this. You're gonna have to call someone. So someone came around and hung up all the pictures in our apartment. Years ago, I felt like slightly less of a man, but that's okay. I mean, I comforted myself in that. I paid for the handyman. Eventually becoming frustrated by his many unsuccessful attempts, Mr. Ramirez lifted a hammer from his toolbox to his head. He hit himself repeatedly on the head until blood began to pour down his face and trickle onto the kitchen floor. Good Lord. He had a history of self harm, Ruth Ramirez also recalls. But this time, it was so bad that my youngest brother, Ricky Richard, resorted to sleeping on the grounds of the nearby cemetery at night. He was always up during nighttime anyway. I heard him sneak around the house during all hours. Maybe a little bit of foreshadowing there on the sisters part. Yes, yes, yes, yes. In the year 1972, when Richard Ramirez was 12 years old, his cousin Miguel Mike Ramirez returned from serving in the Vietnam war. He was a decorated green beret and had a close bond with Richard. Are Green Berets the elite? Is that like you've got the American. The British ones are, the sas, the Americans, Navy seals, Famously, Delta Force is. It is Green berets the other one. So that's like an elite soldier. Now, you might think that Richard would share some of his bad experiences and trauma with his cousin to receive help and experience some sort of stability. But how wrong we all are. Mike Ramirez bonded with Richard, but not over advice or shared issues. Richard had been smoking cannabis since the age of 10, so they shared many joints and countless bottles of beer. But it was not only his drug supply that Mike shared with his young, impressionable cousin. You see, unsurprisingly, Miguel Ramirez, as evident by his last name, was the child of notorious abuser Julian Ramirez's brother. Making the two men related by blood. Yeah. They were cousins then. Yes. I'm sorry, it just says right up top, impressionable cousin. Obviously they're related by blood. Wait, yeah. You are related by blood to all your cousins? I've got a lot of step cousins who I'm not related to, like by blood. But then all of my regular cousins have only got two, I think. Yes, only two. Big brain. I am related to by blood. They are my mum's brother's children. My God, Simon, what is with the useless tangents today? Let's just come on, crack on now. What does this mean for young Richard? His cousin loved the war. He came home with four medals and was considered a hero. The reason for this? At one point, his platoon of 20 men faced a large group of Viet Cong. They were without a doubt outnumbered and surrounded. The Viet Cong did not show any mercy, and Miguel Ramirez and another unnamed soldier were the only ones to survive the ambush. This brave action, as he referred to it in the following praise, however, was not the sole reason for his evident enjoyment of the sheer brutality of the Vietnam War. Mike Ramirez had brought Polaroids with him, which he often showed to his cousin Richard, telling the various stories that were attached to them. Oh, God, I see. I know this is. It's not going to be like, here's me and my mates drinking beer in Vietnam. It's going to be a whole lot darker than that because. Of course it is, because this is a true crime piece and not historical thing about people coming home from war. Ah, this is not going to be good, is it? What did those Polaroids depict, you may be inclined to ask. No, no. Pictures of his fellow soldiers. Proof of loyalty, patriotism and friendship during the harsh times. Yeah, me and Jen on the same page with this one, but these guys, it's going to be something different. While the Polaroids did show harsh times, indeed, it was not Mike who suffered actually harsh times is probably the understatement of the century. Etched into the many Polaroid films were the dead bodies of women. They were no doubt Vietnamese civilians, and all of them were missing parts of their bodies. Ramirez told his cousin in vivid detail about how he raped, tortured and murdered them. Their child did not even flinch. The Vietnamese are all very superstitious, Mike informed his obviously intrigued cousin. If you lose a limb after death, you cannot go to heaven. According to him, that was the reason he mutilated Many of his victims post mortem. Dude, that is so f up. You already killed them and now you're like, I don't want them to go to heaven either, so let's remove a piece of their body. This is. You're just taking super f ed up and making it super, super f ed up, my dude. What the f AP Apologies for my language. Sometimes it's necessary. He considered it his duty as an American soldier. Dude, you don't understand what, like, I'm beginning. I'm, like, sounding patriotic on behalf of America. It's like, you don't know what it's like to be an American soldier, son. But it's like, that's not what being a soldier is about at all in any way. It's not patriotic. It's the opposite of patriotic. It's you being a massive d. His duty was to torture, dishonor, humiliate, and punish the people that his country was waging a brutal war against, both in life and after they passed away through the sheer violence that he enacted on them. He did not even want to grant them the peace of death after countless hours of agony. Having power over life and death was a high, an incredible rush. You controlled who lived and who died. It was like being God, if we believe Mike's words. He kept shrunken heads of eight of his victims and proceeded to sleep on them for the remainder of his stay in Vietnam. Ah, I don't believe those words. Make it a shrunken head. I've made a video about making shrunken heads. Really weird. And also it's extremely complicated. There's all sorts of bone removal and treatment processes and obviously you can't. It's shrinking ahead. It's complex. I don't believe this. It should be clear by now that Miguel Ramirez desired to inflict as much harm as possible on his victims behavior. His cousin seems to have copied from him and would also later exhibit in his eyes. Spoiler alert. In his eyes, Miguel could do nothing wrong. He was an authority figure to his younger cousin. Richard Ramirez would later recount these conversations with his cousin while in custody. I was not shocked by the pictures cousin Mike showed me. I was fascinated. Good old cousin Mike also trained the 12 year old Richard in jungle warfare, including how to murder silently, blend into your surroundings to become invisible, and how to burglarise all sorts of homes. I feel like cousin Mike is a bad guy. Obviously he's the worst guy in the story so far. But also the parents. There's a lack of parenting here. It's your responsibility to yo if your cousin is hanging out with. If your son or daughter is hanging out with someone like cousin Mike right now. Maybe, and I know it's not going to be very popular with them, but maybe they shouldn't be hanging out with cousin Mike. Maybe you should look into what's happening and maybe like no, no, sorry. I know it's awkward and it's going to be family drama, but it's better than making a murderer. It's us, the poor and downtrodden against them, the rich and influential, he would tell his young cousin after most of their so called exercise sessions, clearly to justify what he was teaching Richard. But Miguel Ramirez's violent tendencies did not stop after he returned home from war. The then 13 year old Richard Ramirez was staying at Miguel's house when the latter finally shot his wife Jessie, the mother of his two young sons, in the face with a revolver for entirely unknown reasons. I want to say I'm shocked by this, but this is exactly the sort of guy who would shoot someone in the face, isn't it? Again, Richard was not even remotely disgusted. Mike told him he should never say a word about what he saw. And the child just nodded and said, I swear. The same evening, Richard would silently sit at the dinner table with his family, keeping his promise to his cousin. When Miguel took Richard back to the murder scene to clear up the many large bloodstains left behind by the vicious attack, the young teenager was once again not experiencing negative feelings of any kind. No shock caused by the blood, gore and brain matter. Not a single uncomfortable sensation. The day I went back to that apartment, it was like some kind of mystical experience. You could smell the dried blood. I looked at the place where Jesse had fallen and died and I got a kind of tingly feeling. This is what Richard Ramirez would later state in court. In the ensuing trial, the jury sympathized with Miguel Ramirez because of his status as a war hero. So he was declared not guilty due to insanity and sent to a mental health facility. Um, I agree he's obviously very mentally disturbed. I don't know if I. I mean, obviously. Look, they had jury and there was a court and they deliberated. I think you should ignore the fact that he's got medals. I think that's IMM material based on these, like quick reading of these facts. He doesn't seem insane, he just does obviously need mental health care, but he's not insane to get off on murder. I really don't think. Just my opinion. While Richard used to follow Miguel everywhere, he did not follow him into treatment, which could have reversed at least some of the damage the environment during his upbringing and youth caused and led him to a better path in life. Around that time, Richard Ramirez started getting sexually aroused by extreme violence, which was without a doubt a product of the gruesome sights that he was confronted with since birth. Agreed. I wouldn't say necessarily without a doubt. I'd say usually these things, at least from doing a bunch of these shows, is it's often a combination of nature and nurture. Right. Of course there's nurture, like he saw all this violence and stuff, but I feel like someone who just. I mean, he's been abused as a kid, but not, I mean, it's hard to like classify like levels of abuse, but it's not as severe as it possibly could be. Right. Unless I miss something. He was, he wasn't hit by his dad. He was kind of just more of negligence and being exposed violence rather than being the victim of violence. So. And then also go into that scene and seeing that violence and not feeling anything at all. I feel like part of that's probably something that you're born with as well as something that's nurtured. Nurtured sounds way too positive. That's caused somehow. While the brain damage he suffered as a toddler probably also played a part in what Richard Ramirez would later become also. And of course that I suppose is part of nurture, but physical damage to his brain. All sources agree on the fact that not only the abuse he was exposed to since the very beginning of his life desensitized him to violence and killing, but also the cruelty of his cousin Miguel that he would so often enthuse about. His worldview as a teenager was as simple as it was dogmatic. It was the poor against the rich with him being some sort of messed up Robin Hood. Never talk about your dark and frankly sick ideas with anyone except maybe like minded individuals. And most importantly, brutality is completely justified if it's considered a duty by the culprit. That's pretty f ed up. Yeah, it's justified because I think it's my duty to kill. That's not a justification, mate. Murder, Torture, rape and the like also turn you into a God or at least make you equal to one. Richard hadn't quite decided about that yet. That is like, okay, that's messed up. When cousin Miguel got taken away from him and therefore also his only escape from his father's abuse, he decided to move in with his sister Ruth and her husband Roberto. If you hope this change of environment would be the turning point for the the still 13 year old Richard. I'm sorry to disappoint you. By the time he turned 14 in their household, he had already discovered LSD and was using it frequently. His sexual perversions were only furthered as well. His brother in law was an obsessive peeping Tom who proceeded to take the teenage Richard on late night walks to indulge in their shared voyeuristic interests. Unsurprisingly, he would soon begin to seek the superior feeling of bloodshed and sexual domination for himself. First Blood we're pretty much picking up where we left off. Richard Mirimieres is still a 14 year old 9th grader and he's about to get his first job. Shortly after receiving employment, the patrons of the El Paso Holiday Inn became his first victims. Not having forgotten what his now incarcerated cousin Miguel had told him about the rich and the poor, he proceeded to use his master key to enter hotel rooms and clear them of all valuables. He not only used his newfound occupation for both illegal and legal monetary gain, though, as he would soon molest two children in the hotel's elevator, he was never reported for this incident and therefore kept his employment for a while longer. Funnily enough, the first blood Richard would taste was his own. One night he attempted to rape a woman in her hotel room. Through sheer luck, her shocked and infuriated husband returned on time to save his wife and proceeded to beat the teenager senseless. I feel like infuriated. Maybe understating the anger there. The couple, who were not Texan citizens, declined to return and testify against him in court, resulting in the criminal charges being dropped. Nevertheless, he was of course fired immediately following this incident. He dropped out of Jefferson high school at 15. Wait, he was 14? Oh my God. I totally forgot he was so young. That's so insane to be doing crimes like that when you're 14. Good Lord. And continued to develop a keen interest in Satanism. Probably another act of rebellion against his Christian upbringing. His probably still glue sniffing brother Rupert had moved to Los Angeles and still committed petty crimes. He became another asset to his youngest brother by teaching him all he knew about burglaries and how to commit them. His knowledge was considered to be quite extensive. Soon, Richard made his way back to El Paso and put his newly acquired nature knowledge to good use. Thanks to the military grade stealth training that he had received years prior, he was never caught. When Richard Ramirez reached the age of 17 in 1977, a familiar face returned. Please don't Tell me. It's Mike. Mike. Why would they let you out? Why would they let you out? You're a horrible murderer. And when someone goes to an insane asylum or whatever they call it for that kind of thing, isn't it so they have to stay there forever? Oh God. It's gonna be you, isn't it? Miguel Ramirez was released from the mental hospital after just four years, and the two continued sharing drugs. He even accompanied Richard and Roberto on the nocturnal walks which were still taking place. Four years. I don't. They didn't obviously know about any of the stuff in Vietnam with the polaroids, because I don't think that came up. But he shot his wife in the face. Four years. What's up, Texas? Aren't you the state that's always like, give him the chair, get him in the chair. Come on, come on, come on. He shot his wife in the face. Maybe he shouldn't be executed, but he should be in prison for life. 25 years, whatever that is. A mere year later, just after turning 18 years old, Richard Ramirez moved to Los Angeles, California, resuming his criminal career after he was briefly arrested for stealing a vehicle. History does repeat itself. That kind of thrill was just not enough for him anymore. After a brief and relatively quiet stint in Los Angeles, Ramirez moved to San Francisco when he was 22. Two years later, on April 10, 1984, in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco, the nine year old Chinese American girl, Mei Long and her eight year old brother were on their way home. Suddenly, Mei noticed something missing from her pocket. The money, it's gone, she told her brother anxiously. The family were not very wealthy, so little May sent her younger brother home, saying she was going to catch him up once she found the $1 bill. While she was scanning the surrounding area, a man approached her. Can I help you? He asked her in a friendly manner. Yes, the little girl replied. I've lost a dollar somewhere around here. Have you seen it? Richard Ramirez did not hesitate. I have. He lies. Come with me. Oh my God. Talking to strangers, it's like, I feel like talking to strangers is such a strange thing because it's like, yo, kids don't talk to strangers. But then it's also like, what if it's a nice old woman in the park? And then you're just teaching your kids to just ignore her. And it's like, I go on walks with my kids and all the old people are always like, oh, look at this. And it's so nice. And it brings a giant smile to their face and to hate, to be the person who's gonna be like, at some point, you got to stop saying hi to those old ladies. Because at some point, one of them's not going to be an old lady. It's going to be a pedophile or a murderer. I don't know if that's statistically true, but it's like, it's what you got to do, right? Which is so sad. Mehling had evidently not been taught how dangerous it is to blindly trust people on the street, especially for young girls who get approached by much older men. I heard a. I'm sorry, this is just another tangent. I heard the right way to tell children what to do is not tell them to scream, but tell them. I mean, not tell them to just be like, ah, leave me alone, leave me alone. I don't, you know, leave me alone. Because that can be like, if. If we're leaving the play park, my kid will be doing this. She'll be like, leave me alone. I don't want to go home. You know, just generic. What you have to teach them to say, apparently this is Not Parenting YouTube podcast, but is, you're not my mum, you're not my dad. Like, that's what you apparently have to teach your children to scream. Because then people will be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on? Did I tell the story on this show? This is a tangent within a tangent. I know I'm out of control today, but a friend of mine, bizarrely enough, the strange dude. The strange dude, the same dude with the concussions, he was with his kid in a shopping center, a mall, as the Americans would call it, and he was like, all right, kids, we're going home. And the kid was having none of it, absolutely going mental and screaming and shouting. And he was like, he lives right next to them all. And he was carrying his kid home and takes them into their apartment. And he's like, oh, my God. Okay, wife, here's the kids. Please can you do something? It's just absolute. She's just going absolutely mental. The police show up to his apartment building and they're like, we just want to check that everything's alright. We had reports that there was a screaming child being carried by a man into this building. And I'm like, this was. My friend was like, this was intense. And at first I was like, what the hell is my daughter? And then he was like, thank you so much, because what if that wasn't, you know, what if it was the. What if this was something else that was going on and it's like, damn, I was pretty impressed by the police on that one. But it's a good story, right? And let's get back to the horror. Richard led the naive child into the basement of his apartment where he proceeded to beat and rape her. He hung her from a pipe by tying her blouse to it. Ramirez, now a full fledged Satanist, then ended her terrible suffering by stabbing her to death with a switchblade knife. She is later found. Is this his first murder? I think so. He raped, didn't end up in prison, which just remember to prosecute those people who went back who weren't Texas natives staying in the Holiday Inn. He'd have been in prison. He'd have been in prison. I mean, it's not your fault he's a murderer. It's all on him. But remember, crimes should be prosecuted, especially serious crimes. I'm not saying, like, if you have your handbag stolen in Texas and you live in California and the guy who stole your handbag is like going to get free if you don't go back and be a witness about the handbags. Okay, look, fine. I wouldn't bother. I don't think you have to bother. But if it's like a major violent crime, yeah, you kinda should, right? She's later found by the police after not returning home. Police investigate Police Inspector Ronald Schneider, one of the officers who first came upon the gruesome scene, later stated this. If you can picture Christ on the cross, that's the way she looked. Her head was drooped and her chin was down. It was a sad sight to see. She kinda got to me. Michael Mullane, another San Francisco inspector, is still of the opinion that May could have had at least a slim chance of survival. Her feet were only 2 inches from the ground. Had she been a little taller, she could have transferred her weight to her feet on the ground, therefore avoiding the suffocation for at least a while. And screamed and somebody could have come and helped her. This was one of the toughest ones. One, one of the ones you'd like to solve. I had little children at the time. The rape and murder of Mei Lung were only attributed to Richard Ramirez in 2009 by a DNA sample simple analysis. The case had been unsolved for the two decades prior. And according to police, there is the possibility of two culprits being responsible for the terrible act. This speculation is due to the fact that the DNA of more than one person had been recovered at the crime scene. The identity of the second suspect, however, was withheld by investigators because they had themselves been a minor at the time of the murder. Oh, okay. I was instantly jumping it to be Mike, cousin Mike or the other guy, the, the peeping Tom dude. 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