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Everything Is Energy with Cathy Heller
How Good Can It Be? Hannah Eve on Manifestation, Self-Worth, Love, and Divine Timing
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What if the next level of money in your life is not about doing more, but about allowing more? This Friday, April 10th, I'm going live with Kate Northrop for a really honest conversation about money, ease, and the kind of support most of us were never taught how to receive. Because so many people are successful on paper, but behind the scenes, it feels like they're carrying everything on their own. And the truth is, more money doesn't automatically create more ease, but learning how to receive and sustain that changes everything. If you're ready for money to feel lighter and more supportive and more aligned with the life you actually want, I'd love for you to join us. You can save your spot@kathyheller.com katecall it's gonna be a beautiful conversation and it's free. I can't wait to see you there. Hey, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back to Everything Is Energy. I hope you had a beautiful weekend. I hope whatever you were doing, if you were celebrating Easter or Passover or Good Friday or you're with your family or friends, I hope you had a beautiful weekend. This episode today is so beautiful. And before we dive in, I just want to let you know that this coming Friday, April 10th, I'm going to be doing a live on Zoom with my friend Kate Northrup.
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This is going to be a real
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unscripted conversation about money and how to find ease with money and what it actually looks like to feel supported, not just in theory, but for real. Because so many people necessarily feel like they are good with money or that they feel like they're in this place of abundance or that they feel like it feels light. And at a certain point, it's not about working harder, it's about what are you actually available for and how can we make things better. If you've been feeling like there's more available for you, but you're not sure how to fully step into that, this call you're going to love. We are going to be on Zoom. It's free. You can save your spot at kathyheller.com/kate call and kait is spelled with a K. I hope to see you there.
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Okay.
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Today's conversation is such a treat. I'm sitting down with the amazing Hannah Eve. She is a speaker, writer, teacher, founder and CEO of the current agency and creator of How Good, which is a method, a podcast and global community designed to help women stop repeating patterns and start making tangible shifts. Everything she does combines spirituality, psychotherapy and neuroscience to teach and show women how good life can be and give them the tools to pursue it. In this conversation, we get into all things, like how she connected with God and her spirituality. We talk about manifestation, healing around food and body image, love, relationships, and what it really looks like to live a life that feels as good as it can be. Hannah is wise beyond her years, and it's incredible how much insight she's gained from everything that she's been through in less than three decades. I think you're going to be really inspired by her story and her heart. By the way, if you want to watch this episode, we shot this in a studio, so that's really, really pretty. And it's just a whole other experience that you might want to check out. The video is on the Kathy Heller YouTube channel, so you can see it there. Without further ado, please welcome the incredible Hannah Eve.
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I am so excited to be here. First of all, I've often met people who have some wisdom, and I've met other people who are really beautiful, but have you ever met a person who's equally as wise as they are beautiful? This is rare. This is happening today. So Hannah Eve is here, and she is one of those people. She's like a confetti popper. She walks through this world and it's effortless to love her. It's effortless to be around her because your energy is already immediately upgraded just being in her presence. She is so genuinely caring about everyone in this world, just having the best life possible, which I think is the reason she has been so successful, because the most impressive thing in the world is just love. And she's so lovable, but she's also really loving. And so I'm so happy you're here. This is so fun.
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That's my favorite intro ever. Thank you. It means so much because normally people make introductions and it's super accolade focused.
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Right.
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That. That meant so much to me because you're right. There's nothing more powerful or more important than love.
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That's why I'm really here with you, is because when we met, the few times that we've been together, I could feel. I was like, oh, she's like my best friend from fourth grade. She's just her. She's not affected. She's not trying to do anything other than be present, which is so rare and just so much a testament to your intention and to your consciousness. It's dope. Thank you.
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There definitely were phases in the past when I was definitely trying and not present. So to be able to be in that space, it's a Beautiful place to be.
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And you are just so, so beautiful. Thank you. It really is. It's so cool that God just was like, let me spend a little extra time on this one.
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I was a fat kid, which I'm very grateful for. Yeah, I. And I. I think it really forced me to. It's the only reason that I'm remotely funny and have a good personality. I think I really had to figure my out. I had a couple of years where I really needed to, like, you know, build the charisma. And then I started to get hot. Kind of in time for bar mitzvah season. Yes.
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Just when it mattered, really. That.
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Thank God. Yeah. Really kicked it into gear then.
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Okay, well, let's talk about all the things that are in gear right now. So one of the things that everyone wants to know is how the hell do you figure out this thing called manifestation? It's a buzzword. Everyone wants it. Everyone saves five reels about it a day. But we don't really necessarily know how the heck does it work. So from your lens, in your language, in your life, in your experience, what's your relationship to manifestation, and how would you teach someone to do it?
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There are these words that I think everyone talks about really vaguely. Manifestation, nervous system. And I saw such a beautiful quote. Jenna Zoe said it. It was just that it was a substack note. And she's like, in this age of AI, there's more information than ever. Yet we value human connection more than ever. So it's like the most important things are human connection and simplicity. So that's my caveat. Before I try to make it really simple. I think it's really as simple as getting clear about what you actually desire. Because as we know, spiritual law, Kabbalah teaches us that what we desire generally exists because the future version of ourself has it, really visualizing it, feeling into it, feeling how that feels, and then living as if you already have it, which is how people do what you. You know, what people refer to as collapsing time. Very simple, but very complicated. Because most people, I think, first of all, don't give themselves the time or the space to have any clue what they actually desire. So they're pursuing something that other people or society has made them think is what they want or what they should want. And then most people don't really actually ever embody it. So they're just living from limiting beliefs. They're limiting. They're. They're living from lack. It's doing the work in a setting like therapy to get out of your own way and then doing the. The work spiritually so that you can really understand that life is happening for you, not to you. And you can have a consciousness that allows you to constantly keep evolving, that will also allow your blessings and your manifestations to keep evolving. So it's all of those wrapped into one.
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Yeah. Amazing. Okay, let's piece this apart a little bit. First of all, I freaking love the title of your podcast.
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Thank you.
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And I want to go there first because it relates to one of the components of what you just said, which is desire. Right. And this future version of you already having it. However, one of the things that you and I have probably already dealt with numerous amount of times in our lives and other people I know, in my audience, people in my life have been struggling with, is that we have an upper limit and we actually have a way in which we resist what we want. Like, we don't really have the capacity sometime to even allow ourselves to have it be so good like this. This desire that we say that we want, we have to actually allow ourselves to receive it. And it can feel scary as hell. Right. Brene Brown talks about how the actual most vulnerable emotion is joy. Like, as soon as you have everything that you said that you wanted, your mind goes into foreboding. Like, what if this happens? What if that happens? And so it feels safer to play smaller. It feels safer to be with somebody who's more into you than you're into him. It feels safer to have a job where you're not so challenged. And it's not putting you necessarily in this place of expansion, because if you actually got that which you say you desire, would your vessel be available or are you scared of it? And I look at you and I want to really salute you because I feel like what has allowed you to have the goodness is your capacity to. And you also mentioned this to tell your nervous system that it's safe. You know, my friend Tracy says we manifest at the speed of safety. So you can have the consciousness of what you would like to create, but you have to actually feel safe enough to receive it. So. So let's talk about why you named it How Good, Because I feel like you were calling this out. Yeah. And let's talk about if we know that this is beneath everything, we probably need to address this in order for us to turn our thoughts into things.
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Yes. The name How Good really came to me long before I had any thought that it would be tied to a podcast or a brand.
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Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah,
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it's a story that I. I told on the first episode of my podcast. So if anyone did listen to that, I apologize for being redundant. But I'm going to tell it again because I think it's really good.
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And you looked so beautiful again. And that ponytail. Oh, my God. Can we just talk about that for 19 minutes? Okay, go ahead. So good.
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A lot of things are starting to come together in my life after a really, really dark season, and namely my relationship and my abandonment wound or my abandonment tikkun is a huge part of my, you know, life up until this point. So, like you were saying, whenever anything good starts to come together, I immediately tend to have anticipatory loss. That's why really painful moments can feel really comfortable. It doesn't mean that I enjoy them. It means that it's familiar. And I almost find a sense of calm because I know what to do there. And there's some, like, strange peace and knowing, oh, it can't really get worse than this, even though it usually actually can. But, you know, there's this. A strange comfort you can find. And like, okay, well, it's only up from here. So things were really starting to come together. And I'm like, oh, my God. You know, the. The higher you climb, the higher you fall. And I was already anticipating that. And I realized that as much as I know about and teach manifestation, I wasn't even letting myself play out the best case scenario because I was worried that even if I started to attach myself to that in my mind, if it didn't come together in reality, I thought that would be devastating and heartbreaking. And specifically the partial. That week really talked about the flowers growing out of Aaron's staff, like the dead wood staff. And one interpretation of that is really kind of giving reasons for someone to believe in something that they didn't ordinarily believe in. Like, it was an undeniable reason to believe that miracles exist. And for me, that was my. My grandma, in many ways, sending me signs after she passed. And then it basically said, allow yourself to see, like, how good it can be and to play out the best case scenario. And the. This phrase came to me. Show me how good it can get. And I really wanted to get it down on paper. And as I was writing the word get changed to be. And then I asked myself, and I asked, you know, you know, God and the Creator why that changed. And I realized because, like, very cabalistically, like, to get something, it's very linear. There's a start and there's an end. And the opposite of getting something is losing it to be. It's more about me than anyone else or the outcome. And it's like. It's circular.
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It's.
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It's forever. It's eternal. And to that point, so many things in my life that aren't blessings now, when I stopped focusing on the outcome or three years from now or one year from now. But how can I show up today? How can I improve myself today? Like, where can I reveal light? Today, everything came together. So when you realize that we have no idea what will stay or what will go, people in our lives, family, relationship, career, but who you become in the process is with you forever, then there's really nothing to be afraid of. And that's what allows you to really hold everything. If. If you're not watching, like, you know, kind of loosely, rather than gripping it with a tight fist and then it slips through your fingers.
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It's so good. I can't believe that you're, like, 11. Well, you're 28. I'm 28. I can't believe you're 28, because, God willing, you're gonna live till 120. But the fact that you have grasped this much wisdom at 28, I'm, like, really blown away. Thank you. What you said is the answer, and I love that. The changing of from get to be right, not how good. Show me how good can it get? How good can it be? Because so often people ask me, what do I need to do? And I'm like, the better question is, who do I need to be? Because ultimately, what you just said, which was I could just feel my whole body, like, feel relief, right? It's not even about all of the things that you're hoping to get, because why does anyone even want the thing? Whether it's the relationship or a better home or the career, it's because of how you believe it's going to make you feel. And so what you're really seeking is a deeper connection to your own being, a more expansive version of yourself. And when you realize that, that's where you're headed. And you want to know God on a deeper level. You want to feel connected to your soul on a deeper level. And that is what you could never lose. And that is the thing that you're saying is, like, I want to expand my consciousness. I want to be the greatest vessel. I want to connect with the greatest amount of light. I want to be a vehicle for the greatest amount of light. And that is a promise that the Creator keeps. And so when we Change our consciousness to that as opposed to how the scenery needs to look. We're really safe because that is like the beginning and the end. So that's incredible to me that you. First of all, it's gorgeous.
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Thank you.
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And second of all, that you're able to grasp that and teach it and live it. Okay, so let's keep going. So the thing that we just talked about then, and the thing that I think precedes every manifestation is the vibration. So then people are like, cool. I think I get what you're saying. So. So how do I change my vibration every day? So for you personally, how do you do that? How do you elevate your vibe?
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Oh, what first comes to me is the most helpful thing for someone might be incredibly simple. Like, I know that when I listen to throwbacks in the car with the windows down, my vibe goes up 100 points.
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What's a throwback for you? Cuz we're like a generation apart, so I'm like, just.
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So I have different. I have different playlists. I have the, like, Britney Spears. Is that a throwback era? I mean, yeah, right?
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Were you like three when she came out?
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Yeah.
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Okay. I was like, definitely 14.
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So I feel like it was probably much more fun to be 14 in that era than it was to be three. I was like, I had to beg my mom to, like, get me a belly shirt is what we called them. Um, and then I have like 90s, like, third eye blind. And then I have.
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That was freshman year of college for me. Oh my God.
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I have. Exactly. So sometimes I think we can make this really, like, much more serious and complicated than it needs to be. Like, for you, it might be like dancing in your. So, like, ask yourself, truly, like, what am I doing that makes me the happiest, most, like, you know, infectious version of myself? And the answer might be incredibly small, and it might. But. But that's what matters. So it's different for everyone. I know that when I do something that I've called the two Two. Two, when I teach, my whole day is better. It's two minutes of meditation or breath work, two minutes of journaling and two minutes of reading something that inspires or expands me. And that's different for everyone. You know, But I think, like, let's break it down as small as possible. What makes you feel like your high vibe, highest version of yourself? It might be that when you get a blowout that, you know, takes your confidence to. To attend, like, whatever it is. It's not silly. Truly, if something affects how you feel, your confidence in your energy. It's not silly. And if it can be as simple as a blowout, like, oh my God, Amazing.
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So first of all, I love that you allow it to be so simple.
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Yeah.
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Because we are all masters of making things so much harder than they need to be. It's. It's insane actually. And it's fascinating how the mind, your yetzer hara, your mind litigates against you and tells you like, you think two minutes is gonna do anything you think. And it actually does. It really is amazing. You can just pattern interrupt for two minutes. Your whole course of your day is different. Right. And then I meet people all the time, especially women, who feel like, is it selfish for me to set the intention that I should feel good today? Like, honestly, like, it's bizarre that people feel like their whole day is being run by guilt and overdoing and over functioning. And there's almost like this. Am I allowed to feel that good?
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There's a massive over functioning problem right now.
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Let's talk about that.
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Okay. I would love to. I think everyone is so busy and very few people are productive.
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Yeah.
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And everyone who's listening, including me, there are all ways that we can achieve more and do less. Right now I'm really trying to get intentional with asking myself, okay, like, where am. Like there's so much attention switching that we do and I think we all have a ton of decision fatigue right now. So, okay, where can I make less decisions? Where can I attention switch less? And what actually is giving me energy and what is actually draining me? And that's different for everyone. But I'm really trying to get clear about that.
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It's so huge that you said that and someone who is as successful as you. And you're right. I did not do an intro where I listed all your accolades because I feel like your biggest accolade is how loving and kind and wise you are. Thank you. Given what you just said, I think it is important to also talk about it in the 3D that you are somebody who has created so much by focusing on going deep rather than wide.
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Right.
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Like being very decisive with how you're focusing your time rather than burning yourself out and making a million action.
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You know, there's no award for being exhausted.
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No.
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And it's. It's what you show up and you're like, oh my God, I'm so tired. Like, literally no one cares. The only award is being happy and like working on yourself. That's it. And if you're a parent having Happy, healthy kids. I'm not a parent. I just have dogs.
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The cute. I can't. I actually can't. I also can't with the fact that you just adopted two new puppies at the same time.
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I know. I have four dogs.
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Talk about a bun. Like anything you do, it's to the max.
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Can I tell you, it was, it was such a. Like a kabbalistic spiritual experience actually.
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Because what my boyfriend.
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It was a whole thing. Okay. So basically I wake up morning after spontaneously getting these two puppies.
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And I even mean, who spontaneously gets two dogs?
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Well, we had been talking about it, it's a whole thing. But my, when we started, when I moved in with my boyfriend, my mom was watching my dogs and he was like, he didn't. He was like delaying them. He was like worried, no, what? Whatever. I bring my dogs. He's obsessed with them. He brings them everywhere. He gets a facial, he brings the little one. So then he wants two more. Same two more girl cavapoos. I'm like, no. I'm burnt out. I have my agency. I'm launching this podcast, this whole new brand. No. Okay. He want, he wants them, he wants them, he wants them. For months. We go to Miami. Was like two days before his birthday. I thought it would be a fun surprise on the way to the airport for him. He's never like held an eight week old puppy just for him to experience that. I'm like, we're not getting them. He's like, okay. And we left with two. So anyway, I wake up the next day. How good can it be? I wake up the next day and. And I was so overwhelmed. I'm like, we had such a beautiful routine and I just threw a wrench in everything. Like everything is.
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It is like a newborn. Like, it's really. I was like, it's a lot. It's a lot to take care of
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such a credible amount of responsibility. Well, that's why they have incredible personalities, which is why I greenlit name them. So they're boys. He said, no boy dogs, no big dogs. And that was his thing that to my two older girls. And then he said, no boy dogs, no big dogs. And we got a boy golden retriever. So Kobe and Cooper are their names.
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You.
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So I wake up and I'm so overwhelmed. And I could feel in that moment, I'm like, everyone wants to talk about like expanding your vessel. Like, no, that's what it's like. It's so much more comfortable to stay where you are. It's so much more Comfortable to be the star player on JV than be the one on the bench on varsity. Like, that's really what it's like. You're expanding your capacity. Like, I had to rework everything. I had to rework my routine, everything. It's expensive. And now there's so much more love and abundance in my life. And it's these things that we talk about that are very deep. Sometimes they do show up in grief and health and in really, you know, really challenging ways. But it's often in these, like, little moments where some people might just send the dogs back. It's like, no, you want more expand. That's what it is. And that comes with relationships, with everything. I'm sure with children, you know, like, that's what it means.
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Speaking of abundance, let's talk about abundance in other ways. Okay, so one of the things that people will ask me is Emily Fletcher. I remember asking it to me just like this on her podcast. And she said, so I know you're really spiritual and you spent several years living in Jerusalem, but you're also really comfortable with money. How does that make sense? How do those things go together? And I was like, what do you mean? It's all the same? And she goes, say more. And that's a good episode, by the way. We'll put the link in the show notes. So I want to ask you the same question for people who want to understand how we can be really focusing on being the most spiritual beings possible and allow ourselves to experience all of the abundance that God has placed into this world. The love, the wealth, the health, the friendships. Right? How do they go together? How can we be in integrity and living a life that is so purpose driven and also somebody who is allowing in material wealth? How do those go together and how do we manifest that abundance?
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I don't know anyone in my life that I've met that doesn't have range. Everyone has range. At least everyone that I work with and am friends with. So I. I can't imagine anyone aspiring to be this, you know, like, person who is the same. Exact. I think for a really long time, people thought they were completely separate people. I think people thought that religion and spirituality were separate too. I did for a really long time. You know, never mind spirituality and religion being on the complete other side of it than luxury, beauty, wealth.
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Right?
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Like, so that was doing no one any, any favors for a really long time. To have big desire inherently means you're spiritual. I think a lot of people then take that desire and the wires get Crossed if they don't proactively do work on themselves. And that can lead them down a different dark road. But generally, if you have a big desire, you, you, you are, you know, you're a very spiritual being. Like, all of these qualities, number one, are created by God. The desire was given to you by God. And God the creator is the most beautiful, the most wealthy, the most abundant, the most. All of these things. Love and money, like, it's. It's the same energy, really. It's the energy of abundance. I, I refuse to believe that God put you on this earth to suffer. Like, to, to. To be. Isn't there a line like, to be holy is to be beautiful or like, something like that? There's some, like, line in Hebrew. So most of the most successful people that I know have an incredibly deep spiritual practice. I think some people are just, are just more open about it than others. Some of the most successful people I know keep Shabbat, like, no matter what, right? So I saw a girl, a friend of mine posted after going to a Kabbalah class, actually, that she was listening to, like, like intent, like gangster rap in the car. And she's like, is this normal? Like, thinking that, you know, she's like, is this normal after Kabbalah class? I'm like, yeah, that's literally what everyone's doing, you know. So, I mean, I grew up in, like, Jewish, not even believing in God. Like, I didn't even. I thought that spirituality was this completely separate yoga thing. They're all the same, like religion, spirituality, desiring all of these beautiful things. I think it matters, the place it's coming from, right? Like, that really, you know, matters. But it's also, there's like, you know, spiritual, like, it doesn't really matter why you're initially doing something, even if you're desiring it for the wrong reasons. Even if you're desiring to learn spirituality because you want to, like, manipulate the system, it doesn't really matter where it starts from there, then you can learn to do it for quote, unquote, the right reasons, meaning not from a place of lack. I think a lot of us start these pursuits of success and money and what, in beauty? Because we want people to accept us, or it's coming from that, that place of lack. But as we go down this path, we can then shift it to be because we desire pos, because we want to use this wealth to share with others, because we want to make the world a better place. Like, because beauty is something that we deserve and we're given not to be manipulative or to make others feel bad. And that's. It's. It's. It's really the seed level of everything that will determine its success.
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I am so grateful that God has placed you in the world for such a time as this, because words don't teach it's embodiment. You embody everything you just said. I just want you to know you should rest easy. That is why, again, I did the intro the way that I did. Because we don't have to choose. We don't have to choose between being beautiful and having a beautiful heart. We don't have to choose between having the ability to steward a lot of wealth and waking up every day asking to be closer to our creator. And you embody that. And it's such a gift. It is so cool that Hashem that God would put this girl in the world in this time who's so relevant, like, in every way. P.S. we wore the same shirt today, so I feel really good about myself. But, like, in every way that you get it, that people can relate to you, that people can aspire. Like, I love the way she dresses. I love her dogs. I love the way she cooks. And oh, my gosh, she has a heart of gold. You can tell that you wake up with, like, reaching. All you want is to be the person God has asked you to be. Period. You can tell. It's so obvious. And then, yes, you're saying, here's your permission slip. You get to also wear cute shoes. Yeah. Yeah.
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So good.
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Hannah, I'm so grateful that you live that. That is so unique to you. It really is. That is a vibe. Okay, go ahead.
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Little thing. Like, I was at this music festival in Aspen. I was there with my boyfriend and his ex wife. Like, we're all of them so good together, by the way. Thank you.
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All of you.
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The whole.
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The families, how they merge. It's so good.
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We were just, like, having the best time, like Calvin Harris. So those. Those are throwbacks. I saw those stories and I almost didn't post it because I know there are people who, you know, might think that, like, going to a music festival is in dissonance with everything else that I'm doing, and I'm just, like, weird.
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Why?
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Do you know how much fun you are supposed to have? Do you know that laughing and joy is like, the highest vibration is a mitzvah? Like, of course there are people in that setting and in every setting, by the way, that are, you know, doing really negative things and are, you know, Giving in to like negative inclinations, of course, but like, like the whole point is to have fun and to be happy and to love. And there, there's nothing wrong with doing any of this or going to beautiful places or buying the shoes really, as long as it's coming from the right place. And, and like those people that are, you know, it's like the people that are sitting there gossiping even if they just spent seven hours in synagogue, like that defeats the whole point. Like the evil speech about someone else having a good time. Like just, just. You get what I'm trying to say.
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B
I totally get what you're trying to say. And also we don't understand the spiritual chessboard. And who's to say, you know, it's like I used to go to yoga classes and see people who were more advanced than me and think, oh my gosh, they're so much better at yoga. And a friend of mine said to me, everyone's yoga practice is related to your practice. So that person who might be doing an inversion might be super flexible. And you being in Down Dog for five extra seconds today might actually have been that you had a better yoga practice than that person. And what I mean is that we don't know if the one person who's at a music festival who decides not to speak gossip when his friends are, that that might change the axis of the earth more in that moment than somebody else who is performing like 10 surgeries that day. Like we don't know the spiritual makeup of things and where and when things have a greater impact in the spiritual shaping of the world. And so it's not meant to be all or nothing. It's meant to be about every single moment, staying on your own yoga mat and saying, given where I am right now, how can I get closer to my creator? How can I be closer to my soul? What can I do in this moment to elevate this consciousness? And so I love all of it. If you went back and you met up with 19 year old you, knowing what you know now, how you wake up every day, what your consciousness is, what would you tell her that would be so helpful that would collapse time and space for her? What would she hear that had she heard it then it would have saved her a lot of heartache.
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C
Obviously I would tell her nothing, as I'm sure you know, because I'm so happy with how everything worked out. So I would say nothing. I would go hide somewhere.
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B
Good answer.
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C
Besides that, I would tell her the first thing that comes to me when I When I heard that. So I'm not gonna overthink it. Everything that she. Of chills, everything that she believes is possible, that highest version of herself, that kind of comes to mind in a very vague way when you hear that term. I don't even know if I knew what that meant at that time. It's completely possible. It's me now fully. And I'm sure, of course there's other iterations, but it's all possible. It's so much better than what you think is possible is possible. That's also how good it's also. I think a lot of us, especially as women, we have no idea how good it can really be. So it's kind of like challenging. And God, the creator universe, like. Like, show me how good it can be. At the time, I was like, really, Like, I had a horrible eating disorder. So I would. I would tell her to stop. I mean, but I knew to stop so that I get the problem. But, like, stop hurting your body. I was. I was in a really, really, really toxic relationship, and I was really in it at that point. So I would tell her that he's not the one to go have fun in college, because I. I could have had so much more fun in college, and I did not. And trying to convince someone that I was the one or trying to make it work. Like, I read this thing recently that I can't shut up about. An autobiography in five short chapters. Have you heard of this column? I'm probably gonna butcher it. It's like a. It's a short poem, but it essentially says at first, you walk down a road, there's a pothole, you fall into it. It's not your fault. You know, you get. Someone helps you get out. You walk down the road, you fall into a pothole, you say, it's not my fault. You get out. You know, you. You walk. I'm gonna mess it up. It's like you walk down the pothole, you fall in it Again, you know, at a certain point when you walk down a road and you see a pothole and you know where it is, and you go into it. Like, at what point does it. Not going into it becoming responsibility. It ends with, I walked on a pothole. I see it, I walk around it. It ends with, I walk down another street. And. Yeah, so I think I just kept walking down the same road, walking into a pothole and then, like, you know, crying out for help.
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B
Yeah.
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C
When in reality, that pothole was always going to be there, like that toxic person, even in different Iterations of other people that were that same very painful, you know, partner for me trying to make it work with someone like that, trying to convince them to love me, to be present, to be loyal. Like that's not the work. I have my own work and part of that work is choosing someone who's not going to make me feel like that. So at that point in my life, my relationship with food and my eating disorder and then guys were really the source of, of my pain. So I would have said those things
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B
that was extremely honest and so powerful. I totally felt that. When you said I'm choosing to walk down another street. What freed you from your eating disorder?
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C
It's something that I don't like talking about simply because I candidly don't feel like I have a lot of helpful information.
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B
Self love to say it simply.
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C
I think that mine got really out of hand because I didn't tend to it right away. So if anyone's listening and anyone in their life is, is really going through it I think, I think it becomes very physiological. It becomes very complicated when, when it becomes a habit.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And when it's. When it really becomes your normal. So that made it much harder. There's so much that gets wrapped up into them. You know, at least in my experience. The physiology. Yes. And control love. For me, I think I really had a hard time tolerating distress and as do most people who you know, go to anything that provides relief. Whether that's shopping, gambling, alcohol, like anything. So much of what I've learned in therapy and spirituality, it's, it's really in that moment between having the urge and acting on it. So yes. Self love. Having confidence in who I am regardless of my body looks like and really learning to sit in emotion because so much of it has nothing to even do with that. It started because I would binge eat when I was young because it soothed me. So learning to, to actually deal with my emotions and that's, that's really it and planning ahead and really anchoring my identity. You know what it is? I, I said this in a recent episode. I let the ends justify the means. For a long time in every way. I didn't care how I got somewhere as long as I got somewhere. And other people saw that and that caused that 19 year old version of myself. It really. I had such. I internally felt a lack of integrity. When you can live a life that you're pursuing that feeling of integrity and actually I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks as long as I know who I am, then everything changes. Then I don't really care what other people think about my body or even what it looks like, as long as I know that I'm making healthy choices. That that was really, really a shift and identity focused work. So I am not someone who does this. I'm not someone who does this to my body and really not wanting to be, you know, one day the type of mother who does that. I don't want my kids to watch me growing up and to grow up watching me do that. So that higher level stuff, it makes
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B
sense in this moment to me why you're this wise, this young, because you slayed that dragon. Yeah. The words you just shared. Many people in their whole lifetime never grasp that. And if anything, the people I've met who've finally been willing to lean into what you just said, it happens in their 40s, it happens in their 50s. And so it makes sense that that level of identity work, that level of unhooking from what the external expects of you and just coming true to yourself. You know, I read a study and I posted it recently on Instagram and it was like so viral because it's really interesting. It said the greatest source of chronic stress is not from work related things or money related things. It's from not being true to ourselves. And Bronnie Ware, who wrote this book about the five greatest regrets of the dying, she was on my podcast a couple times and she said the number one regret of people in hospice dying is saying to her, I didn't live life on my terms. I lived the life my uncle wanted me to live or my peers wanted me to live. And so what you just said is I got to the center of who do I want to be for myself, regardless of what the perception is around me, which is the thing everyone's always trying to control, which is how people perceive them. And when you set that down, that's the freest feeling of all. And it makes sense why you then timeline jumped to where you are now. Because as David says, and anyone who's ever talked about attraction, I only say it because he recently talked about it. The most attractive thing is wholeness. And that's really what you just said.
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C
Yeah, and I think I hid it from so many people for so long. Like I had an eating disorder. Like I was very, very disordered. Like hospital ER, mini strokes and, and that wasn't even enough to stop, you know, so I didn't have an addiction, like to substances, but which I never. That was just like I feel like that was a fluke I would always insert in therapy. Like, I can't believe I'm not a drug addict. I just, I guess food was my thing. I understand. I have so much like, like, like true, true, true empathy for people that are in so much pain yet. Yet don't know how to stop. You get addicted to it. And it's like, that was the price I was willing to pay to be accepted and loved and seen a certain way. I think a lot of what I've had to go through in my life, I'm now understanding. I've experienced, kind of feel like a sampler platter of just different things, like, like grief and whatever. I, I think it allows me to connect with people. When I teach, I just started going through it young. Like, when I teach and speak, I, I, even if it wasn't the same thing, I at least feel like I can connect to the emotion usually 100%. So it's a very strange place to be in, like, when I would be in such, like, so sick. And I just could not stop. I found it very liberating when I told people close to me what I was going through and they still loved me. And that, that if someone's listening right now, I think that to me was a huge first step in living with integrity, because at least that felt like, okay, now I can begin to move forward in this way because now I'm not lying about who I am.
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B
It's so brave. And I think that all day long, whatever we're scrolling for is to feel seen. Yeah. And so, and it's amazing how we don't necessarily need to hear some epiphany. We just need to see that somebody else can name out loud. Maybe that which we don't give oursel the space to name for ourself. And so it's. It's so huge. Rabbi Aaron, who's my teacher, said to me that you can only help someone out of a well if you've been down there before.
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C
Wow.
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B
And so the fact that you experience that, especially at such a young age, gives you the capacity because you can't help someone get to where they're going unless you know their address and where they're at and you know that address.
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C
I remember so vividly my. A breakup I had a few years ago was the lowest I've ever been in my life. And it kind of sent into motion just this whole, like, mental collapse. I will never forget. I was in the Hamptons. I, like, couldn't function like this was A non functional state. And I visualized, I had this such a clear visual that I was at the bottom of a pit like you just described.
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B
Like yosafe.
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C
Yes.
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B
And.
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C
And I didn't even really know what that meant then. I, I'm. I'm like, I'm fucked. Like, every rope that everyone is trying to send me can't reach me. Because I knew, I really started to realize that, like, my ex and I weren't getting back together, which kind of felt like my only way out. It was just. I feel like he, he like, wanted me a different. To be a different version of me that I felt like I couldn't access. I. I just, I felt completely stuck. I thought I was gonna die. I thought I was gonna kill myself, basically. So I'm like, I'm like, all right, I'm either getting back with him or like, I'm. I'm done here. And that came to me so clearly when you were talking. It's such a, such a horrible place to be in, but if anyone is listening and they're there, it's going to sound so. It might. This might sound very annoyingly cheesy, but there is a rope that can reach you. It is the creator. It is spirituality. And you, you will not even claw yourself up the sides. Like, you will be airlifted out, like, with light in time. I promise.
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B
Makes me want to cry.
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C
Yeah, it's true. It's true. It's logic can't get you out of that place.
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B
Yeah. Oh, it's really beautiful. You'll be airlifted out. It's so good. I was going to ask you that next. So how, when, where did you fall in love with God? Where did it happen? How did it happen? How did the divine enter your life? Because you said, I grew up, I didn't really have this. I thought spirituality was something for a yoga class. And now it's so present in your life. When and where. Where was your meet cute with the creator?
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C
My meet cute was probably like somewhere around there. What I was just describing, I always struggled with, with the concept. When I was six, I told my mom I wasn't going to go to. I grew up calling it temple. I wasn't going to go to temple anymore because I'm like, this is crazy. There's not like a man in the, in the sky with a beard. Like, this is not.
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B
And you were right. Yeah.
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C
Right.
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B
There's a man with a beard in the sky. Yeah.
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C
There's no yeah. I'm like, this doesn't make sense. Like there's gravity. He would fall through the clouds. Like, I don't buy this. Fortunately or unfortunately, the concept of God wasn't really present in my home. And there were a lot of really painful things that happened to my family. So the narrative was just like, it was, it was more like, you know, why do these bad things keep happening to our family? Which is such a painful way to think. Like, I watched my mom lose both of her parents and her uncle, and just like, all these things happened and it just. So I, I, I held that with me, which then I brought with me through all of these, you know, breakups or whatever, just that I am someone that bad things happen to. After my grandma passed, I started to get, like, an unreasonable amount of signs from her to the point where, like, I was describing before with the flowers growing out of Aaron's staff, I was like, okay, fine. Like, I, I, I'll buy into this. But it was something I didn't really talk about out loud. I just kind of kept to myself. I would see license plates, like, her specific initials and address on license plates. And the divine started to enter my life, actually, when I read Gabby Bernstein's book Super Attractor, and very full circle moment I got. I, I actually worked with her on a project a couple months ago when I started meditating. I started getting, you know, it's funny as I'm, no one's asked me this question, so I'm creating the answer. Like, really? And this is, I love that I
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B
can ask you a question that you have.
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C
Yeah, this isn't a canned one. So if I, if I seem like it's like it's, you know, kind of good, it's, it's because I'm making, Not making it up, but I'm creative. Like, I'm, I'm thinking about it as I go. I started meditating. That's when I started to get very clear visions about the future and even to the point where I decided I wanted to move to New York. And in my mind, I saw a very clear street. I got an apartment sight unseen, when I lived in Chicago, meaning I signed for an apartment without ever physically going. I saw the interior of the unit, but never the street. I get there with my suitcases. Like, literally left Chicago in the morning. It's the exact street I saw. So I'm like, okay, fine, I get it. And I've had moments like that where I'm meditating and I'm really thinking about, you know, what do I. Not only what I want, but what is meant for me. And I see something in my mind that ends up a hundred percent coming true. So that was a meet cute where I'm like, okay. But at the time, I didn't really believe in God, so I thought that this is just like what manifesting was. I thought that it was more so that I. I was powerful. Not that I was like psychic or that God was showing me anything, but that I was letting myself to like, basically see a goal and then pursue it. I thought that I was very good at like pursuing a goal and accomplishing it. After my breakup, it was probably somewhere in the realm of like on my knees crying, hoping that there was a God that was the meet cute. I was so desperate for my ex and I to not break up. And I'll never forget. We were like kind of trying to make it work. And he's like, do you know what emunah means? And I'm like, no. Like, I really didn't know. I was like, just culturally Jewish. And he's like, you know, it means like to have faith, to believe. And I just didn't really. And I look back in this journal and I would write letters to God. Dear God, dear God, dear God. And I think for a lot of people, unfortunately, it's that level of pain and that level of feeling so helpless that you hope there's a God. Because oh my God, what if there's not? Like really. Sobbing that was my not so cute meet cute where I was like, oh, wow. All of these signs and all of these things I've been seeing, those weren't my imagination that I then pursued. Those were, you know, messages from God. Those were what my soul was telling me was always there for me, that a future version of me was already living. And when everything really started to come together, I realized that, wow, you know, God was there carrying me through perfectly preparing me the entire time for what was waiting for me. And everything that I always thought I wanted, I was just forcing. It's like the story of, like, I'm correct me. Cause I might mess this up. Like when Joseph tells the wine steward, like, you know, like, don't forget about me. When you decide that someone or something is the way, then you really limit anything greater than that from happening. When you allow yourself to be carried and guided by the divine, then it's beautiful. Like, like the extra years that Joseph served wasn't like punishment for being bad. It's because he decided that a specific path was going to be the way. So it's like, okay, like you're Limiting yourself rather than. You could have been freed. You had to wait until the wine steward remembered him rather than just being free to immediately.
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B
First of all, that story is. It's so beautiful and it's so real.
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C
I hope that made sense.
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B
And it makes so much sense. And it's an interesting, crazy thought to consider that Joseph's brothers do the most unthinkable thing, which is they, like, throw him in a pit to die. And then he gets sold into, like, you know, being, you know, carried into Egypt. And then he's in prison and all the things. And then years later, his brothers come, they find out it's him, and they're like, oh, sorry about that. And he goes. His response is, oh, no, it's cool. I needed to go through that. Like, I needed that. Like, think about in your life, how on earth you could ever get to the consciousness. Like, oh, no, no, I. I actually needed that. Like, my soul there. It's what I'm saying. It's like you basically just articulated. Like, when you look back, in hindsight, you're able to say, there was such a choreography perfect.
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C
Like. Like, so precise. So everyone who's listening, like, whatever is painful and challenging, just trust that one day you will. And I guess there's probably. We don't always. It's not always that clean. We don't always get to see, this is the pain and this is. This is the beauty. Not always, but most of the time, you will look back and you will say, wow, thank you, God, for every single moment of pain. Because that perfectly prepared me for these blessings that I would have had no idea what to do with otherwise. Now, like, in my relationship, which is, you know, such a source of, like, happiness and joy in my life, I can see in so many specific ways, had I not learned really painful, incredibly specific lessons in my last relationship and in my breakup and in previous relationships and in previous relationships, what I'm living right now wouldn't be possible, of course.
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B
Imagine if you would have gotten what you wanted.
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C
Imagine if I would have gotten what I wanted, like, literally, God forbid.
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B
Yeah. So it goes back to what we talked about earlier, when you said, not how good can it get? But how good can it be? Because I've heard it said pain is inevitable, but suffering is not right. And so the suffering comes when we're trying to control. When we're trying to get at a certain outcome, which is where the pain was. If this relationship doesn't come. And then God's like, could you just let me be the matchmaker here because I have a better plot twist, right? And so it's helpful to remember for everyone as we go through this life that the suffering is when we don't have the certainty that there is a reason. You know, I was telling my daughter the other night, she's nine. She goes, mommy, I'm scared because one day I'm gonna have a baby and it's gonna hurt. She said to me the other day, and I said to her, well, first of all, it's gonna be so worth it. And she said, but does it hurt? I said to her, she just asked me this. I said I was in pain, but I wasn't suffering because I was so happy that you were coming into the world. So there was such a purpose every. Every moment of it. I couldn't wait to meet you. So I wasn't suffering at all. She goes, well, will you come with me? Will you be there? And I was like, yes, I'll be there. You know, it's so different when you're going through pain and you know with certainty. There is a beautiful purpose and something bigger is being born. The suffering goes away.
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C
I think it's the difference of riding the wave versus just trying to swim against it. And that's so beautiful, what you shared.
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B
Ugh. And also so bizarre that she literally asked me that. I'm like, you're nine. Like, are you dating someone?
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A
Like, what is happening?
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C
Girl, Girl. There's. There's a caveat to that, which is that it can trick you if it doesn't even feel like suffering. Because a lot of us. And this is like old me, I could get whatever I wanted. I could force it. And that's maybe even more challenging because you don't have to face or even become aware of the way in which you're getting in your own way. You learn. It becomes so positively reinforced. You know, like, example. Like a very practical example. If I lost a client, an employee, I could say or do, and I knew I could whatever to get them to come back. I could make anyone stay. I could get whatever I wanted. But I was probably blocking. I was blocking. So many blessings. And it's the difference of, let's say an employee leaves. It's the difference of letting that give you debilitating anxiety, saying whatever to get them back. And maybe after, you know, you let go of it, it is time to have a conversation in this day, whatever. But it's in that moment. Okay, yeah, this is going to be annoying. I'm going to have to replace them and teach someone but knowing how exciting that this means there is someone so much more aligned who God wants to come into the picture. Right. So I think it's also that it's that way that this. All this can be unseen, that people can live their entire lives, kind of like in level one, because they're forcing it to be that way, where if you let go, you can live. Level 100.
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B
Oh, that was such a good addendum. I love that you added that. Thank you. Okay, as we're wrapping up, I would be so remiss if I didn't ask you to sing a few more bars, not literally say something to share a little bit about the love in your relationship, because I think a lot of people can talk about a lot of things. They can talk about how to make their first million. They can talk about skin care. You know, very few people can talk about the kind of love where it's real. And you're not only safe to be fully yourself, but you're also still expanding and challenging each other. Like, it's the both. And that is probably the coolest manifestation of a lifetime, and may it last. All the things.
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C
Thank you.
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B
So for people who are listening, who want to make themselves available to that, who. Who want to create that in their life, what's the technology? What do they need to know so that they become the version of them that is available for that relationship? And how would you describe what it is? When you said, I didn't even know it could be this good? Like, how would you even describe. It's like telling somebody about caviar and they never tasted it. Although I'm not such a caviar person. My daughter is, though. She's 14 and she knows what's up.
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C
I need to meet these kids.
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B
They're so cute.
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C
I'm obsessed.
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B
How would you describe what it is and how would you give words to what. What allows a woman to create a vessel where she is available for a love like that?
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C
For a long time, I was very worried that I had two choices. I either could have the fireworks and it would be very toxic, or it would be very safe, and I would be bored.
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B
Fair.
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C
I think a lot of people will also tell you that those are you two, your two choices. Those are not your two choices.
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B
Okay.
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C
Okay. You can have the fireworks and you can have a very healthy, beautiful relationship. And I hope that everyone listening does not settle until you have both.
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B
Amen.
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C
I think that there's so many. There's so much beautiful advice online. I think there's also a Lot of advice online that's very, very damaging to women surrounding dating right now. I think that we are in general holding men to incredibly unrealistic standards, and that doesn't mean that we should lower the bar of what we expect for ourselves in terms of how we're treated. I think that right now, women are really cutting men off quickly. I think we're. I think everyone's canceling everyone quickly. I. I saw this, like, thing on. It was like, this Oprah thing where people were, like, boasting about how long they've been in no contact with their families. Like, we. We expect perfection from our partner when we're not perfect, right? So that's the first thing that I think. Like, even people look at my relationship. Like, we have challenges all the time. They're respectful. I think we both come from the mindset that any challenge will always allow us to develop as individuals and our relationship. But I think people will, like, have a fight with their partner or, like, whatever, and they'll think the whole thing's f cked. Like, sure, maybe. But to be in a relationship is to be triggered. Like, you are asking for someone to mirror all of it. Like, they say you marry your unfinished business. I'm not married. But, like, we live together. It's like, you know, so you're both going to trigger each other. And sometimes, you know, they might be not punishing, but they might be kind of, in quotes, punishing you for something that their previous partner or their parents did. And it's just. So that's kind of a caveat to everything that. I also don't want people to, like, look at me or anyone and then hold their partners or themselves to some unrealistic expectation that probably doesn't exist. And if you have conflict, it doesn't mean it's bad, right? Of course there's levels and there are things that you should totally not tolerate, but that's something. And I think that how to navigate conflict with your partner is something that I really wish people talked about more. And then, especially as a woman or a woman that can lean anxious, how do you show up in your own life when you're in that gray area where there's something to talk about but you haven't fully resolved the conversation. How do you go to a meeting or go to an event or whatever and not let that totally disrupt your life? Like, I wish people talked about these things more. So that's that. I. Yeah, I'm obsessed with him. I don't know. I love. I love David so much. I don't know where to begin to become the version of you that can hold the love of your dreams, and that could be a more evolved version with your current partner or, you know, with. With someone else or whatever. It's constantly choosing differently, meaning in every challenging moment, how am I going to choose to handle this differently than I have before? And. And. And that can be in the smallest of ways. That can be where old you would say, you know, I'm done. We're not going, da, da, da, da. You're gonna pause and really, really, really try to quiet your ego to be effective in that moment. Like, it's. It's all of those micro decisions where you would slam a door and you don't, or you send the angry text or you don't, or. I think what really trips a lot of people up is I feel distance from my partner or I feel like they're not, you know, showing up in this way, so I'm gonna not show up in that way. When your ego tells you to pull away, you go against that and you lean in, even if it's uncomfortable. One of the moments that I was really, like, blown away by David is we were like. I don't even remember what was happening. We were having a moment, and he wrote me the most beautiful card, and I knew how challenging that would be for anyone. In the moment, the last thing you want to do is write a card. It's all of the moments like that. If you desire to be with this person, it is never you versus them. It is the two of you versus the problem. Always beautiful, and people don't view it like that. So in the moment, your ego's happy and you feel right because you're winning a fight, but your relationship is getting
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B
so you're not winning nothing.
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C
Like, what are you winning?
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B
Lose, lose. Right.
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C
There is a relationship waiting for you that truly brings out the best version of you.
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B
I love that, that.
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C
I remember when I was in a toxic relationship one time, I was with my girlfriends in the car listening to music, and I was so sad because I felt like he never got to see that version of me. Because when I was with him, I was kind of forced to show up as this incredibly small, dim version of myself, and I would shave away parts of myself in there. There is someone who loves every single part of you who you will feel completely magnetic, sparkly, beautiful. You know, whenever you're around them. Yeah, they will also. Being with them will demand that you probably do all of the work you've been sweeping underneath the rug. So get ready for that. And I. I think that the right relationship can make you feel even more independent, even more empowered, even if you're, you know, with them 24 7, you feel like the USG you've ever been.
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B
It's so beautiful.
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C
And that's it.
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B
It's so, so beautiful. It's like moonlight. It's like moonlight. I feel like just from being with you, it elevates my capacity to see a new possibility. You know, I recently. I got my get. In October, my ex and I broke up. And he's still, like, a big part of our life, and we don't have any animosity. My daughter's like, it's confusing that you love each other. I'm like, no, it'd be worse the other way. Like, our souls have a contract, and we do what we need to do in the ways that we do them. But when I was walking down the aisle, Rabbi Aaron was in Jerusalem, and he was gonna fly in, except that his daughter went into labor 48 hours before my wedding. And he was like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, don't be sorry. Please be there for your grandchild. And my phone was ringing, and my sister runs up to me. They're literally, like, playing the song as I walk down the aisle. And she's like, I thought you'd wanna get it. Cause I can tell it's a phone call coming in from Jerusalem. So he's like, did I miss it? Mazel tov. And I said, I'm actually literally walking down the aisle right now. Right now. And he's like, oh, I'll let you go. And I said, no, tell me what to daven for under the chuppah. I'm like, I'm so happy you called. Tell me what to pray for. And he goes, okay, you have to give me a minute. And I was like, okay, well, you only really have, like, one minute. And I want to say this to you because I think you're living it. And he said, okay, I think I got it. He said, when you're under the chuppah, you should ask God. You should ask the Creator that the love between you is so real that when people see the two of you, they believe in love.
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C
Oh,
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B
I think you guys do that.
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A
Thank you.
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C
Wow.
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B
You do that. And then I started to cry. He goes, are you there? I'm like, yeah, I'm just crying. That's so beautiful. And he said, I say that to you. He said, because there's more single people than ever and he goes. And it's not because there's not enough matches. It's because people stop believing that love is possible. Yeah. They've seen so much that was counterfeit. That wasn't love. They don't even believe it exists. And so I think what you do together is you create that possibility, and it's such a gift to other people. Okay, so thank you.
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C
That's like, what more. There's nothing to say. I mean, what a privilege to be able to make anyone feel like that, you know? And it was an incredibly unconventional, bumpy road to get there. Like, we were friends. It. Like, we tried. We didn't try. Like, just trust your intuition. It didn't make any sense. Like, our relationship coming together made no sense. Like, people, like, close to me are like, hannah, like, this is not. I'm like, just. I. I really think it's coming. So just trust your intuition. Like, you might really believe something that a therapist, a rabbi, your best friend will tell you you're crazy for, whether it's a business idea or who you think up with, you know?
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B
Totally.
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C
So what an absolute gift to do that. Thank you.
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B
It's beautiful. It's a gift for us, for all of us who get to, like, have the good seats and watch it. And it's amazing. You mentioned her before, but, like, the mother of David's children, Mary Ruth, she's so phenomenal. She's like sunshine.
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C
She's the best.
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B
She's the best. Last time I saw her, she's like, I need this necklace. And this necklace actually says F off on it. I'm dying. It's from Kitson. It's just so funny that she liked it. Of course she did. Yeah.
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C
She's the.
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B
She's just the best. But the fact that you can all just keep going down the road and walking each other home and showing the world. Also that model. And he does it so well, and she does it so well, and it's just, like, seamless. That is a new.
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C
I mean, I give her level majority credit there.
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B
She's just.
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C
Therapist previously told me that about. We're all walking each other home, and I love. I love that.
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B
That's like a Ram Dass thing, I think. Yeah.
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C
But, yeah, she's. She's.
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B
She's awesome.
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C
She's really wonderful.
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B
But that just. I said it because I want people to know, like, there's so many possibilities of what love can look like when there's just love everywhere and there's enough love to go around. It's the best.
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C
It's also another, like,
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B
one of my
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C
favorite things I learned from my being with my therapist for a decade is like, do you want to be right or do you want to be effective? And there are all these people in crazy custody battles. I. I watched my mom, you know, go through two, like, in one with my sibling for 18 years. It's like sometimes people just get so caught up on these things. It's like, who's winning?
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B
No one.
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C
You're no one. Like, so I. I hope that, you know, sometimes when I are, you know, I know, like when Dave and we choose to share that, it's only because I hope that people can see what's possible if they're co parenting.
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B
Exactly.
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C
You know, like, it doesn't have to be so hostile. No, it's the only one who loses. I mean, you lose, but the kids really lose.
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B
It's the worst.
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C
The worst.
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B
And it's so beautiful. And if you guys haven't been following that journey, David Guillaume and his ex wife do that so remarkably well.
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C
Like, she opened her such a gift home on Thanksgiving to my.
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B
I saw. Like, it's amazing. She's incredible.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Okay. So walking each other home, people want to follow along. They want to walk with you. You're walking us home. Tell them where's the best place to follow to listen to your podcast? Where do you want to send them?
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C
You can follow me on Instagram at itshanaeve. Like, its. Whenever I say that, people think I'm saying that it's hand eve. Like, like, you know, like I t s h a N e h eve.
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B
You have to write in the ideas
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C
people just put in a hand. Even like, no, it's. My podcast is called how good. You can listen to it anywhere. And that's really it. I have a free highest timeline meditation on my website, which is showmehowgood.com Meditate. If you want to do it, it's right there. And that's something I created that if you were listening and you're like, okay, but I don't even really know what I want, that will really allow you to. To see and feel what some of those visions for your future might look like.
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B
How delicious is that? That's it. I love it.
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C
Thank you.
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B
This is so good.
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C
I. You're such a beautiful thinker and feeler and conversationalist. This was so, like, juicy. I love you again in a deep way, not in like a superficial way.
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B
Thank you.
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C
Thank you so much.
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B
Thank you. It's the easy, effortless do the best.
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A
Hannah is amazing. Here are the takeaways. Number one. Get clear about what you actually desire. Visualize it. Feel into it. Live as if you already have it. Number two Ask the divine, show me how good it can be. Number two. Ask the divine, show me how good it can be. Number three. Let yourself do whatever makes your vibe go up a hundred points and makes you feel the happiest, highest version of yourself, no matter how small or simple or how silly it is. Number four. It's so much more comfortable to be the star player on JV than to be the one on the bench on varsity. But that's what expanding your capacity really is. You're reworking everything so you can hold more. Number five. To have a big desire inherently means you're spiritual. The desire was given to you by God. Love and money are really the same energy. The energy of abundance. Number six. The whole point is to have fun and be happy and to love. Number seven. You don't have to force anything. God is carrying you through perfectly, preparing you for what's waiting. Let yourself be carried and guided by the divine. And number eight, when you feel like you're at the bottom of the pit, there's a rope that can reach you. It is the Creator. It is spirituality that will airlift you out with light. Thank you so much for being here. I know that you're super busy and I really appreciate that you take the time to hang out and listen. If you want more episodes, please make sure they follow along on Apple Podcasts or Spotify wherever you're listening. And if anything resonated with you, let me know by leaving a review. You can also DM me on Instagram. Here's a review that we got recently from the interview we did with Jonathan Haidt.
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B
I love this episode.
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A
Such vital info that we all intuitively know. Time for more implementation. Thank you both. Thank you so much. I love that you got so much out of that episode. I love reading your amazing reviews. If you haven't left one yet, please do so. You might just hear me read it on a future episode. And not to forget, I'm going live with my friend Kate Northrup on Zoom this Friday at 10am Pacific 1pm Eastern for a juicy conversation about manifesting money with ease. It's completely free to join us. Go save your spot@kathyheller.com Katecall I love you so much and I'll talk to you again soon. We'll see.