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Everything Is Energy with Cathy Heller
Krista Williams on Surrender, Divorce, the God Who Loves You & the Art of Alignment
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A soul-stirring conversation with Krista Williams on surrendering to God, healing after divorce, aligning with your true self, calling in joy, and spiritual manifestation.
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Kathy Heller
Think about these words.
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More love, more wealth, more joy, more ease. How does that feel in your body? For so many of us, we've been conditioned to think that those things are somewhere out there. We think we have to chase them down, earn them, exhaust ourself to be worthy of them. But I want to tell you a secret that changed my entire life. It's not something that you ever have to chase. It's already here. It's something you have to receive. If you've been feeling like you're over functioning and overworking and checking all the boxes and doing everything right and you're still not feeling like you're receiving that which you desire, then this is exactly where you're supposed to be. I'm excited to invite you to my live masterclass. We're stepping into the energy of Taurus. On the Hebrew calendar, we call it the month of er. Together we're going to pull back the curtain on why over efforting is actually blocking your manifestations. We're going to learn how to shift into true energetic alignment and abundance and release those old tired patterns that keep you stuck in the striving. You're going to walk away with a felt sense, not just a thought, but a deep knowing that you don't have to earn every breath and you don't have to earn your dreams. This is your invitation to stop chasing and start receiving. You don't need to prove your worth. You don't need to do anymore. You just need to learn how to open up to what's here on a different dimension. This masterclass is going to be live on Zoom. April 21, 7am Pacific, 10am Eastern. I would love to see you there. And I'll go into every single step of how we get into the overflow. Go to kathy heller.commasterclass to join us. Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back to Everything is Energy. I hope you had a beautiful weekend. How many of you went down the rabbit hole and watched every video you could find of Justin Bieber at Coachella? That was epic. I love how he ended it with Hallelujah. I love how he was singing with his like 12 year old self.
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So good.
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I had all the feels. And I also wanted to just say this. I think part of the reason that we love artists like Justin Bieber, we love going to festivals, we love watching good movies, all of it is because there's some part of us that is dying to feel the full range of our emotions. And music allows us to do that and movies allow us to do that. And I just want to say, in case nobody has said this to you in a while, being a human being means that it is totally normal and natural and part of the human experience to feel the full range of human emotions all the time. Like every single day you're going to feel some level of joy and some level of loss and sadness. And I don't think people talk about that enough. I think that that's actually beautiful. It's like we've all lived lives where stuff is there, there's loss, there's feelings, it's still being held. And not only that, but you have real emotions about a lot of the things going on in your life. And so I just wan give you a big permission slip to feel what you need to feel. Which doesn't mean that you can't also be manifesting the most incredible things at the same time. It's. It's part of what makes us amazing is that we can do both. We can feel our feelings and we can also have this epic way of seeing beyond the physical reality and really being able to kind of like manifest so much from intention. Now. Now that's why I think you're going to love today's episode actually, because it's really all about both of those things. So today I'm so excited because Krista Williams is here. You might know her because you probably heard her number one ranked podcast, almost 30. She is a co host of that podcast. She's also a coach, she's also a writer, she's also a retreat leader. And she's just an incredible soul. And we had such a good conversation. I'm so happy that she is back on the show. She talks about all the things. She talks about going through divorce, she talks about having a deeper relationship with God. She talks about how she's getting into doing comedy and improv. We're gonna get into a lot of things. We're gonna talk about relationships, surrender, healing, codependency, high vibe, friendships. We're gonna talk about manifestation and what it actually looks like to stop abandoning yourself and allow life to be better than you imagined. Just a quick note, we also filmed this in the studio and it turned out really well and it's really beautiful. So if you wanna watch the video, you can just go take the Kathy Heller YouTube channel and you'll find it there. But into this. Here's my conversation with the incredible Krista Williams.
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Guys, welcome. I'm so thrilled because today this girl who is such a vibe, in fact I feel like the word vibe could be made for her. She's like a genre of vibe, okay? She's both cool and wise and so cares about other people. But she's also like the girl who, when she walks in the room, you're like, she's too pretty to be nice. There's no way this girl is going to be this nice. But she's sweet and deep and kind, and she's brought so much to the world. And here's the thing with her, it's not just like, hey, look at me. I have all your answers. It's more like, come with me. Like, come with me on this journey as I'm figuring it out. And I love that about her. So you may know her because for the last 10 years, she's been podcasting, but she's also been leading retreats, helping people to come to major breakthroughs in their life. And guess what? She's here today. That's right. Her name is Krista Williams. She's here. She's an author. She's a podcaster. She is doing comedy also. This is happening. This is real. These are facts. These are facts. And like I said, she's very pretty. She's as deep as she is pretty, which is very rare. And she's here today. And what are the odds that you would turn out to be the first person I interview on a camera?
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Krista Williams
Oh, my God. The way that I. I mean, I teach women about visibility, and the way that I want to die whenever I get introduced on a podcast is just.
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Kathy Heller
Do you hate that?
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Krista Williams
I just. It's such a weird thing. I think so. I'm a Pisces. I'm someone that's, like, deeply sensitive, and I'm just like a soul living, traversing the earth. And when someone mirrors something back to me, it always surprises me that I'm. Cause I'm with you and we're having this conversation, and then someone is describing me. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's me. You know, it's. It's a weird thing to be so such a spirit, but then be reminded of your form.
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Kathy Heller
No, I totally get that. And also, could you feel the sincerity in what I said?
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Krista Williams
That is the one thing about you, and you in particular, and the women that we're so lucky to be around. The most sincere and deep.
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Kathy Heller
Like, I know it's true. We've really curated a group of friends, honestly. I say this to some people all the time. I'm like, maybe the biggest gift of me making the decision to have the courage to pursue my dreams is Who I met on that journey, who is the quality of the way you get mirrored, the conversations you have, and the way people celebrate your joy as if it's equal to their joy. Right. I don't think that most people know that you can actually have that level of friendship and have a standard for yourself, that when you hang out with people, they both challenge you, but they also, like, they're walking beside you, like, the whole way.
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Krista Williams
Yeah, I think you have to. That's what I've realized recently. Being friends with such powerful women is. It's such an initiation and a call, because when I'm with my friends, telling them about something in my Life, it is 100% focused on what I could have done better, my opportunity, like, what I'm bringing to this situation. So you have to be. To receive the love and the reverence and the mirroring of such amazing, powerful people. You also have to really show up. Like, I was kind of talking to my friend last week about something in my life, and she's just like, I just want to know what about you is calling that in, you know, and
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Kathy Heller
it's like, thank you, bestie. Yeah, it's like, call me up.
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Krista Williams
Call me up.
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Kathy Heller
Exactly.
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Krista Williams
Forward. But for me, when I was unconscious and I was earlier on in my path, that would have triggered me. I would've been like, oh, who does she think she is? You know, like, I feel judged, all this kind of stuff. And so the friendships that you and I are in are the most giving and nurturing, but you have to show up, show up for them, show up for yourself. And it's a call forward, for sure.
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Kathy Heller
I remember asking, I'm sure you've interviewed him, having James Clear on my podcast and saying to him, what's the most important habit? And he said, you know, people were asking me this as I was writing the book, and I didn't know the answer, but I do now. And he said, it's who you choose to spend time with because you become the people that you spend time with. And so that couldn't be a more powerful answer, but it is 100% true that, look, everything is a vibrational match. The universe is constantly mirroring you back to you. And so if you are willing. Look, truth, right? Love and truth are both like the highest divine gift, but they're not always right. The most loving thing someone can tell you sometimes is no right, or, you know, this is over or whatever. But if it's coming from the truth, that's, like, best for everybody. But can you handle it? As Jack Nicholson would say, I don't know, everybody is available. But when you realize that there is so much more for you on this path and the people around you can be that catalyst, why would you want less?
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Krista Williams
I know. And I think, you know, for women that are listening and they're like, I really want those deep, meaningful friendships that you have, that we have, the thing that you do for them. For me, at least, my path was healing myself.
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Kathy Heller
Right.
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Krista Williams
Being a kinder voice to myself. Being a supportive voice to myself. Being compassionate and giving to myself, seeing myself for everything that I was amazing. Like, I had to really do my own work of healing the sister wound, healing the mother wound. Being able to be in deep, intimate relationships with women. Being able to practice being honest and messing up and giving myself grace, being able to go first in a conversation, being able to do all the things that I was really looking for. And so it's such a personal growth opportunity and option. But like James said, there's no greater support and catalyst for your success and growth than women or people that surround you, that can really see you, mirror you, and support you.
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Kathy Heller
That's so true.
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Krista Williams
And I think the greatest gift that the female friendships in my life give me me is they help me see myself when my vision's blurry.
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Kathy Heller
Yeah.
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Krista Williams
And they remind me truly who I am. And I trust them for that. And their sight in my life and their sight in my business is just, like, invaluable, you know, to my path.
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Kathy Heller
We're going to come back to this because you and I recently went through major. Not so recently, actually, but we went through major changes, like, with relationships. And in so many ways, we went through major changes in our career. Careers as well, just in the evolution. And so we'll circle back to, like, how people in our lives have really shown up and how we've called on them. But I want to go into a little bit of you, okay. Just like I want to know when Krista wakes up in the morning. Okay. Because when people see you, if they. If they're not living under a rock, then they probably know about you. They. And I think maybe people project this on me, too. They might perceive that we just wake up and it's like Snow White talking to the birds and brushing her hair.
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Krista Williams
Right.
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Kathy Heller
But you wake up, and by the time you've been at your day for an hour or two hours, you probably have some method or some practice that you adhere to to help you raise your vibration, to help you step into what is gonna make you have, hopefully the best Possible day. So what does that look like when other people maybe are waking up living in, like, a little bit of a funk? What does it look like for you?
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Krista Williams
I mean, I've been in funks. I still get in funks. I'm not immune to funks. But it's funny you say that about Snow White, because I always tell my friends I want my life to feel like a musical. I just want to go around blessing people, having conversations with strangers, talking and living in the ultimate flow, like the Snow White experience. The musical experience is the ultimate vibrational flow. I'm moving from thing to thing. I'm feeling like myself. I'm just feeling in my own femininity, in my beauty. Like, even today, I had to get my blood drawn super early. So my blood draw lady comes. We're talking, we're having fun. As soon as they leave, my cleaners come. We're talking, we're having fun. I get on a call with my team. Like, it doesn't always feel that way, but that's my desire, is to feel, like, so much flow that I'm everywhere. I am. I'm myself, but I'm just blessing people with my presence. But the way that I help stay in a vibration that feels really good in myself. I mean, one of the biggest things that I think is really underrated is having pets, having animals. Animals are a vibration of pure love. Pure love and just adoration. And they just cherish you. They're always present. They want to heal you. And I have two cats that I adopted, and they help me get three cats. Oh, my God.
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Kathy Heller
I love that we're both cat people.
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Krista Williams
Oh, my gosh.
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Kathy Heller
Wait.
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Krista Williams
Your cats are beautiful.
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Kathy Heller
Thank you so much.
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Krista Williams
Those cats are special.
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Kathy Heller
I agree with you 100%.
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Krista Williams
Those. I put my cats to work yesterday. I was like, you guys need to clean up energetically. The house. I was like, the house needs an energy. Tune up cats, they were, like, sweeping up, you know, like, they're going to their home planet and they're bringing back some vibes.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, my gosh.
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Krista Williams
So my cats, like, cats. Like, whenever you see them, you feel loving, you feel tenderness, you feel softness. Like, it shifts my energy to the vibration of love. So having animals around is something that I really, really love. I also am in constant conversation and communion with God all day long. My life is a prayer. Every single thing that you do is technically a prayer. If you believe in law of attraction, whatever you're doing is a prayer for the thing that's coming next. So if you're gonna Live a life that wants to be in alignment. Like, I just am in a constant state of, like, God, what do you want from me? Where am I going? What am I doing? What can I see? What can I not see? And living in that state always pulls me back to feeling loved. Always pulls me back to a sense of peace and a sense of knowance that, like, I'm on mission, I'm on purpose, and I'm being guided by the ultimate collaborator through the day.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, my gosh, that was so good. I love everything that you just said. Love the ultimate collaborator.
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Krista Williams
Ultimate. It's so good. That's what you know. I grew up in Ohio, very conservative Catholic. So where I grew up, it was. People were very, like, regimented with going to church. It didn't feel alive or vital. I never had an association of God being a loving God. I never had an association of God being one that wanted the best for me, being one that wanted to support me. I felt shame, I felt guilt, I felt judgment from the God that I knew. So coming back into relationship in a reclamation with God was like the ultimate rebellion for me and the ultimate gift. And I just want that so badly. For people to come into their own relationship with a creator that loves them and knows them and wants the best for them and then wants like, desires what they desire, like to keep yourself from that is the ultimate detriment to you and your path. And it just breaks my heart when people have this, like, resistance to knowing that there's a God that loves them.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, my gosh. 100% agree. So my teacher, Rabbi David Aaron, who taught me Kabbalah since I was 20.
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Krista Williams
Wow.
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Kathy Heller
Which was such an amazing, unexpected plot twist and the best last 30 year gift of my life. 30? I'm not. It's not yet 30 years. I just aged myself. I'm not good at math. Guys, it's okay. No, no. Say less. But say less. Shout the quiet part out loud. Anyways, he was once on Larry King with Marianne Williamson. They had the same publicist they were on together. And Larry says to Rabbi Aaron, he goes, so Rabbi, is God up there judging us? And Rabbi Aaron says to him, no, Larry, he's loving us. Why do you even think that? Right? This is what you just said, right? That each of us doesn't have the knowing. As Rabbi Aaron says, we're each a masterpiece. We're a piece of the master, right? And that gift that I got at 19 years old has been the greatest blessing of my life. Like knowing that at any point in the day I can pick up the phone and God will answer without that. Right. Like, how does life make any sense?
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Krista Williams
Yeah.
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Kathy Heller
And so I do think that what you and I just said, and you said it in the most beautiful words. If that is something that is embodied, it has to be real. And if you really have that, it's infectious. And I think other people can find their way back to it because it's inside of everyone. It's like the pilot light is on. Sometimes we just need the permission to lean in and to know that your intuition that this is a loving, divine force in your life is correct and you have access to that at all times. But it's very rare. I think that people actualize that. And I think you have, which has given you such strength. Especially in the last, like, several years. I've just watched you, like, lean in to know that that was there guiding you and supporting you, and you could trust it.
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Krista Williams
Yeah. And you know what's funny is even reflecting about my relationship with God. I healed and worked on my relationship with God right before my divorce. So I'm so grateful.
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Kathy Heller
It was like preparing you for the
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Krista Williams
way God is so good, you know, the way that your path gets laid out for you. And I just wanted to say this before we talk about the transition a little bit. Something you said that's so important is. And I just wanna honor that for people, wherever you are at in the process with God, that is okay. Like, God can handle. If you are mad at God, God can have. You can have that conversation. Take. If you don't think that God doesn't know that you're pissed, doesn't know that you're mad, doesn't know that you think you're being judged. Whatever you feel. And I think I. The gift that I've always given myself on my path is honesty. That is. You know, I was like, God, I don't get this. I don't understand. I don't trust you. I don't believe you, all of that. I just brought it to God. Show me. Show me how I can feel, trust in you. Show me how I can have faith. Walk me down the path, if you want that. And people think that they have to come to God perfectly. They have to show God their report card. That God's like either a cosmic butler or their, like, principal. And it's like, you can be in that relationship or the relationship like we have, where God is the ultimate co pilot in our life. And without this deepening of a relationship, of a foundation, I couldn't have gone through What I got, what I went through. And the biggest thing is I couldn't have gone through it and gotten better because of God and my belief I'm better than ever. Through the hardest times.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, my gosh, what a gift. It's like listening to a symphony. The way you're speaking about this, it is so. Every note, it's just so beautiful. And I feel like what you just said about how you can bring that to God. I think about King David, who wrote all these psalms, right? And recently, actually, I took my kids to see this animated movie about David, which is incredible. First of all, it's history, so you're watching history. But also just this character, right? This is a person. If you know the song by Leonard Cohen, Hallelujah. He brought it all to God's feet. It was like, here's where I'm broken. Here's where I sabotage myself. Here's where I'm brave. Here's where I'm, you know, available. All of those things. And that is. Right. That is a different level of relationship, okay? And it. It is available to all of us. And also, I think what we don't realize is we asked for the journey that we're on, right? We're on a soul path. And we have soul assignments and soul corrections. And, you know, recently, my friend, her son, he's like 11 months, he's like. He's crawling. He's starting to, like, take his first little crawl. Crawling. What would you call them? Not steps, but he's crawling forward a few places. And she said she was watching him crawl, and he was struggling. And so he was like, mommy, pick me up. You know, looking at her like, please pick me up. And she said she knew that if she did, he wouldn't have the satisfaction that he could actually go a little bit further. And so she waited and hesitated, and he went a little further. And he was so proud of himself. Cause he could do it. And then she picked him up and she said, I feel like that's how God is with us. It's like what feels hard sometimes is calling us into the biggest breakthrough of our life. And that is something Rabbi Aaron says, like, when we're crying, like, God cries with us. Because, like a parent, right, who loves you and knows what's best for. For you, you gotta sometimes hold on, right? And I often say, like, in order for, you know, God to make David David, he sends Goliath to reveal what his capacity is. So it's. It's a conversation that I don't think people have Enough. And I think it's so cool that we both, like, are so proudly sing this. And also I'll just say God can handle whatever you want to call God. Like you. And I say God, that's very, like, for me, that's it. But if you need to say universe, whatever, it's like, he's not offended.
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Krista Williams
Yeah, totally.
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Kathy Heller
You know what I'm saying? There's still one divine source.
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Krista Williams
You guys are still on this.
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Kathy Heller
It's like, whatever it is for you, it's also okay, you know? And it's just like, I love that you have made this so accessible for people. Yeah.
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Krista Williams
God's PR person.
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Kathy Heller
Love that.
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Krista Williams
My best friend calls me that. She's like, you're God's PR person.
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Kathy Heller
Okay, let's talk a little. Cause you mentioned it, and it's definitely become hashtag, like the biggest thing going, which is manifestation. But you said, like, God's not your cosmic butler. Okay, so how do you. Because sometimes people are coming to me with this question, like, I don't understand. You love the idea of manifestation, yet you're also the kind of person who's like, so deeply spiritual, you know, is. Are those two things in conflict with each other? I'm like, absolutely not. But I would love to hear from you if you were explaining to someone. Cause you've been doing it, you've been doing it pretty darn well. Is manifesting the most incredible things. So how do you explain manifestation the way you see it. How do you explain it?
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Krista Williams
So it's interesting, my journey with manifestation and how I see it. Because, you know, I think 10 years ago, maybe eight years ago, we had my dear friend Lacey Phillips on to be magnetic. I love her work, the subconscious. I love how she works with that. But I always want to find my own way, especially with my friends. They have their own gifts. I want to find my own. My own experience with things. I don't really see it even as manifestation. I just see it as alignment. I really don't seek to manifest much in my life. I seek to be in the most alignment. Because when I'm in alignment, that's when I know it actually is for me. And I actually know it's for the highest and greatest good. Because at some point on my path, manifesting items and things became uninteresting. Of course, you know, you become less interesting in the purse, in the bag, in the thing. And also too, I've manifested really beautiful things. But because it was my 3D level manifestation desire, it actually wasn't in the highest this is so good right now. I was in a relationship that was so beautiful post my divorce. And even in my marriage was the manifestation of everything that I wanted. And my soul can't see what God can see. So my list was not full. My list was short. My list was short sighted. And I got everything I wanted. But I didn't know that I had to ask for someone that's emotionally available, emotionally attuned, you know, all these things that God knows, my soul knows. So the more that I've actually let go of this desire to like go to God with my list of I want this and I want this and I want this. And I'm like, God not only surprised me, but God also guide me to like the life that is beyond this and the desire that you have for me that's beyond this. Because we can do 3D. I always call in some ways, manifestation to me is 3D matrix play. I can play in the 3D and be like, I want to get a parking spot and a purse. But I'm not here to be 3D Matrix. I'm here to be completely 5D with my soul. And that requires a level of surrender to my co creator and my collaborator.
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Kathy Heller
Oh my gosh, it's so beautiful what you just said. It's like next level. It's so powerful. And you just use the word. And I was going to basically circle the concept is surrender.
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Krista Williams
Y.
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Kathy Heller
Right.
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Krista Williams
And which is so hard to do.
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Kathy Heller
So hard. So if someone's listening to this right now, and most people probably are where they have this thing that they cannot let go of and they just feel like, yes, all of this in my life is good, but if this thing thing doesn't change, today is not a 10 out of 10 day. And I just can't let go. I can't let go. So where, where do we close that
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Krista Williams
gap for them, for the desire to surrender? You know, one of the greatest gifts for me has been the rock bottom. The rock bottom really forces you to surrender. You know, I got. I was in a relationship, my first relationship post my marriage and having that end just has been like, all right, God, I thought I knew and you know, so actually I don't. I'm completely surrendered to your will and completely surrendered to your path. But the greatest pain in my life has been my attachment to the thing that I thought I wanted or I needed. And for me, I would say that's my desire for success. I have this part of me, you know, the hungry ghost in me that's like, I need to be successful, I need to be successful. And in my life, I'm more successful than I could have ever imagined as a girl coming from Ohio. But the desire for that success that I believe outside of me has caused me great pain. So my desire to surrender, that has been my path. But the areas in which that have been able to surrender and just trust, like friendships, like my body, like other aspects of my business, have been the greatest gift. So I think the rock bottom can serve people. And I think the second thing is get so obsessed with something else that your energy and attention allows surrender to happen in other spaces. So maybe you're so obsessed with building your purpose, with following your mission, that it allows a sense of surrender to happen in other spaces because you know where you're going and where you're headed.
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Kathy Heller
Last year I experienced this during the LA fires.
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Krista Williams
Oh, my gosh.
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Kathy Heller
We were living in this house overlooking, you know, the lights of Mulholland. It's like, you know, a 9,000 square foot house. And by the way, like, the ego death that I have had, I mean, multiple times of just, you know, backing up before the fire, like, I remember hosting, hosting, hosting. It was almost like to justify what role I had cast myself in. It was like, who's host? I'll host it, you know, and we'll get the valet parking. And I remember once being at some brunch in my own backyard with all of these pretty people who are also really nice. And I went upstairs and I started to cry. I was like, I don't even want to be at my own brunch. I don't know who this girl is. I don't know what I'm doing. Meanwhile, we then experience this fire, right? And so we're evacuated. So many people in our neighborhood, you know, lost everything that they had. And we wind up leaving with a minute's notice, right? Because the fire had gotten to the end of the block that literally we had that moment when people say, what would you do if you had to leave? What would you take? Nothing. I took my cats. Like, that was it. I literally had flip flops on. Said to the girls, grab the cats, get in the car. Didn't take anything. Wow. Get in the car. And I call my friend who lives in San Diego. She had already heard what was happening. She lives on a farm, you know, like a ranch. And I said, can I come? Like, I'm coming. I'm driving there and I've got three kids and three cats. She's like, get down here. It was so kind. Anyway, we wake up the next morning, and we drive there, and it's pitch black when we get there. It's like the dark of night. We wake up, and I look outside that window, and I see, like, chickens, like, out on the farm, and there's some beautiful hot air balloons in the distance that people were, like, running, riding, and there's horses. And I go outside, and I have only the clothes that I was wearing. I didn't bring anything. And I start crying because it is so sobering and so obvious in that moment that what I was holding on to so hard and what I was just. The timeline had jumped. And here I was, like, waking up to what actually feels like life and saying to myself, what have I needed to surrender? That was actually costing me so much. Well, being so much peace. It was costing me so much. And here I wake up, and my kids, you know, once again, just like in Covid, there was no school for the next however long until the fires, you know, the school was able to come back. So here we were, just waking up. I was like, come feed the chickens on the farm. And I'm looking at them saying, what level of life are you experiencing right now with your hands in the dirt? And what were you experiencing days ago that was counterfeit? And what is it in our life that we can't see that the divine can see? And when we. That's what you're saying. When you surrender your list, when you surrender what you think it needs to look like, what higher level of your life is waiting for on layaway until you can perceive that you could let go, maybe. And maybe you'll be guided. Just maybe there'll be something that's gonna take your breath away. God.
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Krista Williams
And what a gift to. You know, I think as a. As a parent and with your. You know, it's kind of like that moment where you're like, oh, my God. You see your children simplifying, doing something, you know, feeding, and you're just like this. It's almost. It's like expansive. And then it's also like, whoa, kids. Kids need so little. Kids need so little. And it's us that's like, yeah, I don't even have kids yet. And I'm, like, talking like, I'm a mom, so I'm gonna stop doing that. But, like, I can imagine that there's so much of the. I mean, I do this in my own life. Addition, layers, all the things, and they're just like, keep it simple. It's funny with the fires. It's not funny. But, you know, In December of 2020, 25 was the fires, right?
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Kathy Heller
Yeah.
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Krista Williams
December 2024, I was like, God, I'm ready for my home. Like, I'm ready to get my home. Because I had always wanted a home. It had been my biggest goal in life. And with my ex, we had always had, like, discrepancy on that. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna get my space. So I found this home in Palisades that I loved. It was insane. It was the best.
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Kathy Heller
I just got chills.
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Krista Williams
Everything and more. I was like, you know, I looked at a few in Palisades. Everything and more deaf. Outside my budget. But I was willing to do my thing, and I didn't get it. I tried so hard. They called, like, I was working with them. I was like, I'll go above. Da, da, da da. It got burned down four weeks later. And if I wouldn't have knocked, if I would have knocked out that house, every single thing that I moved into that place would have been burned down. I'm so grateful to God because I got the perfect house in a safe space that was perfect for me. And God was also like, baby, let's keep in the budget, because my house now is in my budget. But it was, you know, if I would have been, like, so attached to, like, this is what I'm doing, and I would have known, like, I would have never been guided in that way. And so I just now am so grateful to have the perspective of, like, ooh, I don't know what you're. I don't know what's going on, but
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Kathy Heller
I trust you 100%.
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Krista Williams
And that's the beauty of LA. Like, just to say this about your consciousness and the consciousness of my community and your community. When the fires happened, every single person that I knew was like, you know, I had too much. I was grateful to let go. I actually feel better. I feel more simple. Like, the positivity and the clarity and that type of growth mindset is such a gift to witness.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, such a gift to witness and to speak a little bit similar to that story about your house and the deal that didn't happen. And again, the surrender in 2001. I had just graduated from college. That was the summer that June of 2001. Rabbi Aaron and I had met February prior to that. And he said, come to Jerusalem. And I was like, well, I'm graduating college. And I didn't know what I was going to do after college anyway. So I'm like, okay, I'll go. My sister was Working in New York City in the second tower of the World Trade Center. And in June of that year, this is just a couple months before September 11th, I said to her, come with me, like, on an Elsa, you know, I'm like, let's go. Come with me. I'm going to go study in Jerusalem. You should come. She's like, I can't come. She's three years older. She's like, I have a job. And my sister had gone to Tisch, who gone to NYU for theater, and she had found a job that let her go on auditions. And then in between tours, she was doing regional national tours. They always took her back. So she's like, how could I leave this job as an actor in the 54th floor of the second tower? And for whatever reason, I convinced her to come with me. I said, just come. For six months, she came. And I remember her saying to me the day she decided, she's like, I can't believe I'm saying yes. It's so scary to leave this job that is, you know, always okay with me going on auditions. But also she said, there's so much fear I have around being in Jerusalem. Like, what could happen there? You know, it was during the second Intifada. She goes, I just feel like it's a yes, and I'm just gonna trust it. And on September 11, she and I were in Jerusalem, for whatever reason, getting our first cell phone. This is. We'd never had one. And we decided to go get a cell phone. We're standing in the cell phones to. And there's a TV on. And I look over, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Cause the TVs were showing the towers. I was like, is that Tel Aviv? Like. Cause I figured it might be local news, right? Because we're halfway across the world, and it says, you know, it's Manhattan. You know, I'm like, oh, my gosh. She would have been in that tower.
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Krista Williams
Wow.
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Kathy Heller
She would have been in that second tower, right? And it's just like, again, if you don't have this consciousness of surrender, and you think it's up to you. You think that you have to dec all of the ways that the universe is arranged for your best. You are denying yourself, tapping into the spiritual grid, tapping into the unseen, and going through your life without that is definitely not gonna manifest you the highest results. And so this is huge, what you're saying. And yet it really feels sticky for people when you say let it go.
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Krista Williams
Yeah, 100%. I mean, I have chills Cause it just like God, it makes much sense, like, to feel like you. It's all on you. Like, most people grew up in households where their parents were emotionally immature. They had to regulate their emotions on their own. They had to, you know, go through life with what felt like it was on their own in a lot of different ways. And I think there's a lot of cosmic souls that came here that feel very lonely because they feel like they're missing their, like, spiritual soul home. And then when you grew up with some religious trauma or programming, it's really hard to go back and be like, wait, God is a loving God.
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Kathy Heller
Totally.
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Krista Williams
God is all of these things. And so it makes all the sense to me. And the ultimate act of your individuation and the gift you could give yourself is to look at that. And the gift you could give yourself is to just give yourself the chance to surrender to God. And I think one of my favorite practices for the women that I work with is to end your day and just place on the altar to God all the things that are bothering you. So just imagining and visualizing yourself, just placing the stress, the financial stress, the relationship stress, that fight you had with your sister. You know, the thing in the house that's leaking every single stress and worry. Just placing it on the altar and just asking God to just help and support you with it.
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Kathy Heller
So good.
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Krista Williams
Cause there's nothing too big or too small for God. You know, in A Course in Miracles, one of my favorite texts, you know, one thing they talk about is the magnitude of miracles and how we misunderstand miracles. That miracles. There's no miracle too big or too small for God. God doesn't understand size and capacity. God is like curing cancer. Got it. You know, helping you find a parking spot. Got it. Like. And so the altar progress or the altar process, and just your ability to sort of notice where you're at in your relationship to surrendering God and then see where you can just practice expanding that capacity.
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Kathy Heller
That is huge. I feel like everything you've said, each one of these is a mic drop. And that right there, I think, is a book. I think what you just said is an entire book.
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Krista Williams
And actually it's called the Surrender Experiment. And I wrote it. Just kidding.
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Kathy Heller
Michael Singer, he's great. You know, one of our mutual friends, Terry Cole.
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Krista Williams
Yes, we do.
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Kathy Heller
Was the first person to tell me that I was codependent. Because I always thought, like, I'm so not codependent.
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Krista Williams
Lindsay was like, I'm codependent. I was like, loser. And I was like, I am too independent, girl. The way that that showed up for
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Kathy Heller
me, she's like, you are what we call a over functioning codependent.
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Krista Williams
I'm quoted in that book.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, are you really so funny? And not funny at all.
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Krista Williams
No, it's so. Because I am.
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Kathy Heller
I just. What you just said is so powerful because we're walking through our lives trying to control everything. And sometimes I turn to God. I'm like, I'm sorry for trying to do your job. Like, you're better at this than me. And all of a sudden, the weight off my shoulders, it's like. And every single person is going to have whatever the soul path and the soul lessons they need anyway, so why am I feeling responsible to get myself involved in all of this? It's like, just turn it over, turn it over. And I feel like so many beautiful, sweet, incredible women are just constantly over functioning. And it is the opposite of a vibe. And it does not allow you to receive, it does not allow you to enjoy your day. So I think it can't be said enough. I want to ask you this. You. You have a podcast called Almost 30, but you've also just been coaching so many women and going through your own life. And as I said in the intro, you're not a look at me, girl, you're a come with me. So having the moments that you've had. Now, if you were to go back and talk to yourself in your mid-20s, what would you tell her that you think you now know, that you wish she knew then?
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Krista Williams
I think the codependency one is actually massive. And I'm grateful you said that because when I started to learn about codependency, and codependency is really just the prioritization of anything else outside of yourself over your own compass. And it's also control. You believe that no one has got your back, but you also believe you know better. And I think for me, in my life, I really lived in this psychic prison of like, prioritizing my ex's needs and desires over my own, prioritizing everyone else's approval of me over my own, prioritizing everything else outside of me over myself. And if I would have understood and really told myself that my own inner compass and my own inner knowing was going to be the guide and going to be the quickest way to peace, to happiness and expression, I'd be so much further. But I'd also say that the quicker I could really just accept that I'm a soul that's here on mission and on purpose and that it's going to happen no matter what. So you might as well stop. Gripping would have been so much easier and better and enjoyed the process because I think a lot of my life, I was kind of trying and living in a way where I was like, yeah, I didn't recognize that I was a soul. And I think a lot of your listeners and a lot of our communities are souls that are here on mission. And I think I didn't understand that, and I didn't want to recognize that. I thought it made me think I was better than other people, but it doesn't. It just makes me know who I am. And everyone can be here on mission if they want. So if I would have accepted my mission earlier, I think I'd be way better. And I think the last thing was the way that I was thinking that it was all my responsibility, like you said. I mean, my shoulders were bigger. Like, I was bigger as a person, and my shoulders were bigger. Isn't that crazy? It is crazy. The way that my body has softened, the way that my body has released, the way that my body has just. Just melted into the love and support of God and the love and support of myself to myself. And so realizing that it's not all on me and giving it up to God, I would have done that way sooner. I know. Wouldn't you?
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Kathy Heller
It's so good. Recently, I was called by a reporter. It was a couple weeks ago. And she said to me, I want to ask you about Casey Means, who's been recently appointed as Surgeon General. She just had her Senate hearing. I'm like, okay, well, I'm really good friends with her, so if this is like a hit piece, like, I don't want a part of it. She's like, I'm a journalist. I don't know that I'm here to do anything pro or con. I just want to ask you a few questions. And I'm like, okay, let's see where this goes. She asked me, why is it that Casey has written all of this stuff about our bodies, about health, about food, and then she wrote a blog on David Guillaume and a blog on you, and then she goes back to food and health and then talks about you again. What's the connection between spirituality and health? And I thought, okay, I actually do like this question. It's a great question. And then the tears welled up in my eyes because I thought, how cool that we're in this level of culture consciousness, that I'm being asked this question. And I Said, well, just like what you said, I said they're completely related. Because when we are in this feeling of separation consciousness, we go into fight or flight. When we don't feel that we're being held and led and guided and we just, we constantly are in fight or flight. And so it creates so much cortisol, it creates so much inflammation. But if we feel connected, if we feel that we can trust our life to a path to a spiritual force greater than ourself, how do you think that affects our mitochondria? How do you think that affects. I say that's what I think is interesting about KC Means is that she both understands Western medicine as well as the consciousness aspect and how it literally changes your form. And so I'm just so here for this conversation. And I think that the work you and I have been doing while we think it's about, well, being or self development, I think it's actually physical too. I think that they are very. I think the wellness world and the spiritual world are now one world.
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Krista Williams
Yeah. At some point on my path, you know, I stopped thinking about taking green juices every morning and my supplement stock and my probiotic. And I was like, there's got to be more to life than doing a 12 step morning routine. There's something deeper. And I think it's a natural part of our progression of humanity to take care of the vessel, to be in tune with the vessel. Because when your vessel isn't crowded and congested with toxins, with toxic conversations, toxic energy, with just a bunch of crap, you're able to listen, you're able to hear. And so I think it's a natural shedding and alchemy process that people need to do with their bodies and their vessels to really be the channel for God, to really be the channel for light. And if we were to talk from just a physiological level and perspective, stress is like the ultimate indicator and liberator of problems in the body, of cancers of everything. And when you have prayer, which is proven to reduce stress and proven to balance your cortisol levels, and when you have the belief and knowing that it's not all on you, that you are taken care of and you are guided, that is also a support of reducing the stress levels in your body. So spirituality has such a direct connection to reducing stress and cortisol and then helping us beyond that feel more connected to this being that we need to love and revere so deeply. And post my divorce, you know, I just came into deeper relationship with God and had an entire Metamorphosis process with my body and the way that I looked. Not because I was focusing on it, but because I decided to really treat myself like I was worthy of being treated well. And I slowed down and I changed my workouts and I changed my relationship with food and all of this stuff. And it not only revealed something more beautiful, but it revealed something that was more authentic to me and my vibration. And it felt like a shedding and just like a recalibration period. But it is. And I'm so grateful you said this, because I so deeply believe that our body and our form is spiritual and is like, this chosen, like, the way that I look. God chose it. I told God last weekend or a few weeks ago. I was like, God, let me just bless people. And I don't mean that in, like a weirdo, evangelical way. I was just like, let me just make people happy. Make them say, let me. Make them feel seen and heard. And so God is giving me that opportunity. Uber drivers, baristas, whoever, I'm around. And it was interesting. Cause God was like, you know, the reason why I made you beautiful is because I want you to have, like, the magnetism of beauty so that you can do that. And for people that are beautiful in every single way or not, what you look like has purpose. Your race, your size, your gender, your form has a purpose. That's how your soul is expressing in this world. And it has meaning. And so the more we can revere that and understand that, like, this also is for purpose, the better off we'll be.
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Kathy Heller
That is such a beautiful prayer. Like, let me bless people. I just, like, there's so many opportunities for us to literally change someone's entire day by asking ourselves that question before we leave the house. It's so beautiful. And I want to ask you, because you've brought it up a few times, like, your relationships and how your relationships have been really big moments in your life for your own growth and for your own becoming. So what would you say has been the biggest breakthrough around your divorce and who you were before and who you've become since?
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Krista Williams
Yeah, so me and my ex were together for 10 years. We were married for, like, one, probably together for nine before that. And I think the person that I was before, I recognize and witness her now. I was very in the masculine. I felt like I had, you know, very in the masculine. Felt like I had to do it all, had to take care of it all. Breadwinner, you know, no one really had my back, and it was the version of me that felt like I couldn't be myself and be loved. So in our relationship, the one thing we really struggled with was communication. And as someone that's a podcaster and a communicator all day, it's a very funny thing. But we struggled with communication. And so I was holding myself back. I was self erasing. I was trying to negotiate my power because I was so powerful. And I felt like it didn't fit in our container. And so just a lot of excuses and a lot of actions and a lot of ways in which I was, you know, denying myself the truth of who I was. And so post divorce and post stepping into myself honestly, like, I remember after the divorce thinking I had no plan for myself and who I was and how I would shift and what I would look like. I just sort of allowed it to really happen by just making aligned choices each day. So the woman I am today is just a woman of power, a woman of presence, a woman of love, a woman of depth, a woman that's resourced, and I've learned so much in the process, and it was the greatest gift of my lifetime. And I think you've known every woman that's been through divorce. It's like a trampoline catapult to oh my gosh. And it's nothing about the relationship. It's about the patterns I was in and the person that I was. Nothing about the. Nothing about the man.
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Kathy Heller
Every single thing you just said, I could have said myself, I relate to every single. That self erasure, that trying to almost like it's like pushing a beach ball under the water, like you're trying to contain parts of yourself because you don't feel like that part of you, you know, makes sense in the relationship because you've outgrown certain things. Or, and, and I've talked about how. And for me, in the last year and a half, as I've gone through this journey, I just realized the amount of self abandonment that I was comfortable with, the amount of self betrayal that felt just like a Tuesday until I realized that I didn't have to carry guilt as my number one driver of decisions that I could actually not leave myself on read, I could text myself back and say, if this is your intuition, I'm going to trust it. If this is what feels right to you, I'm not going to rationalize it away or make you feel responsible for all these other things, but really being true to thyself, it wasn't modeled for me. And I was just so good at abandoning myself that I almost didn't. I could go without noticing it. And you mentioned, like, how your whole body has changed since then. And I've said, like, oh, my goodness, like, who would have thought the best thing for my health? I mean, my daughters say to me, mom, you look 10 years younger than you did a year and a half ago. Everything about you is different. And I'm like, yeah, you can save money at school, Sephora, if you do this thing called listen to yourself. Right? Have the radical courage to just speak whatever is true for you. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, that's been amazing. And I realized that it changed the way. I mean, it changed everything about how I felt in my body and then also the way that I lived. I mean, now I didn't think at the time that I was like, drinking a lot, but I would drink like one or two glasses of rose, like a night because it helped me self medicate. But I just thought it's like, cute. It's funny, the other night I had a bunch of women over because I do this monthly thing at my house. I talk about the. The consciousness of the lunar calendar. So we were talking about the consciousness of Pisces and everyone walked in with a bottle of wine. I was like, you're so cute.
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I don't drink.
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And they were all like, we don't either. I'm like, why are you. Why do we bring wine to people's homes? I don't know. It's like, here, self medicate. Thank you. What a gift. But I used to have my cute little two glasses of rose every night. And I realized how unbelievably awesome it is not to have to look forward to that because I'm happy just brushing my teeth. I'm now happy. I'm like, oh, my God. Everything's a mirror of me being authentic. How awesome is that? So I don't need that. And also just getting strong and wanting to get my steps in because I want to take the walk and I want to feel my feelings and I want to be present with myself. And so
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Krista Williams
it does wonders for your wonders, you know? I think you just don't know when you're in it, you know, you don't. I think we as humanity has been gaslit so much in every way by the government, by the powers that be. So you know what I mean? So if we were to even think of all the ways we've been gaslit as humans on earth by religion, like, what the heck? And then you get in your life, in relationships, you're Being gaslit sometimes. And then it's, of course you're gonna gaslight yourself, girl. You feel that way. No, you don't. We're fine.
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Kathy Heller
It's really interesting how it sounds so ridiculous to say, but I didn't realize that I was allowed to be this happy.
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Krista Williams
Oh, I know. I'm even having, like, another one where
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Kathy Heller
I'm like, oh, tell me about that.
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Krista Williams
I'm having another, like, upper limit where I'm like, you know, I had my birthday recently, and I just was, like, happy as a mother fricking clam. I had the best birthday night with friends. I had just so much love. And, you know, when you are. When you live in abundance, everything feels like a delight. Full surprise. I receive things. It's a delightful surprise. There's no expectation. There's no desire. I'm just. Delightful surprises. And I was just sitting there, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so happy. And I was alone on my actual birthday. I wanted to be in. I was in Malibu, and I was like, is this okay? Like, is this fine that I'm like. I don't know how to describe it. Like, I think there was a part of me, especially being single and being my age, I think that voice was like, are you good? Like, is this okay? We can be happy and not be married with children. You know, I'm like, that's not for my 20. For my Ohio version of me. She's like, girl, ring the alarm. Like, what is happening? But I'm realizing, like, I'm expanding into. And I think this is my. Not work right now, but allowance that, like, it can be better than I ever imagined. But, like, nothing in my life right now is what I imagined. I didn't imagine my life. I didn't have the expanders. There was no path. That was, like, our path. Like, we had to make it up totally. So it's like the next step. You're like, let's see. But there's just no. I don't know. I'm having my own moment with that.
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Kathy Heller
No. That was so beautiful. And I think that everybody listening, if they're being really honest, can relate to that feeling. But there really hasn't been a model for this. I mean, my mom is probably a little older than your mom, but my mom's in her 70s. So when she graduated high school, that was before Gloria Steinem. That was before women's lib, right? That happened, like, maybe 10 years after she graduated high school. So when she graduated, she was told, okay, now you're going to get married, have kids and if you want to work, you could be a secretary or a teacher. That's it then. I'm the first generation where we are given all of these new possibilities. But no one's really done this yet. And it was interesting. I had Dr. Shefali on the show years ago and I remember her saying that the number one problem she thinks that would, if it was solved, would change all of society, she said, is women not knowing how to receive and then raising children having not been comfortable receiving. Right. So they're raising girls and boys without that model of a woman with permission to receive, permission to be in flow, permission to just take care of herself. Well and I think a lot of girls, when I get together at these retreats and you host them as well, there's this feeling of I don't want to be selfish. And it's like Esther Hicks says, what does it mean? I'm telling you to be selfish. Meaning, right. And in Kabbalah we talk about it, Jewish wisdom says when we receive, we don't receive for the self alone anyway, we're all one. So if something is growing in a garden, it's affecting the ecosystem. Why would a redwood tree say I don't want to thrive, I don't want to have, I don't want to be so tall. It's like every, there's enough to provide for the well being of all. And when we are in that feeling of thriving, everyone around us is affected by it in the best way. And then we get to give and we get to pour in. And it's just so fascinating how we have to justify our happiness. Like, is it okay? I feel guilty? Am I allowed to be happy? Am I allowed to make today all about soaking up and savoring the most beautiful moments? And it's like wow. Yeah, because then you walk into Starbucks and you're just such a vibe, you emanate such light.
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Krista Williams
You can just make people happy. Think from a part. You know, I practice parts, work internal family systems and I always want to work with the part of women that's like afraid to receive. Cause it's like we know that like the infinite being is available to receive. We know that there's like. And also the desire to receive. If you have or like the non allowance of receiving means there's a part of you that wants to allow it. So you have to have the both. So when you work with the part of you that's like afraid to receive, usually it's been wounded by receiving Usually it hasn't seen receiving. Usually it feels like it has to work to receive. Like, it feels like it has to do more to receive. And when you can really sit with that and just, like, eternally give to yourself eternally, like, love and honor yourself, it can be so much easier. But. But I do think it is hard for people. I mean, a lot of people have never actually been given something without wanting something in return from their parents, from other people. And so the work is softening into the body, softening into, like, you know, the practice of it, and just feeling the discomfort come up. Like, even when you're reading my bio, I'm receiving all the love, and I'm still like, oh, this.
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Kathy Heller
Ugh.
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Krista Williams
Who's this old bat? You know? I'm just like, oh. But I'm like, okay, we're gonna sit here, and we're gonna just feel the discomfort and just allow her to give something to me. Cause that is what she feels.
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Kathy Heller
It's so interesting because we do have this part of us that's really an ego.
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Right.
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And it's, like, so egocentric, and it's so obsessed with itself, so it criticizes itself, and it thinks about itself and who I am. Who am I to have this? And who am I not to have? It's like, really? Then there's just you being a vessel for the light of the Creator.
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Krista Williams
Yes.
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Kathy Heller
And so, really, when I'm talking about you, what I'm really saying is, how much does Krista, like, the moon, reflect the light of God? And when we really remember that, we can receive that praise. Because it's not us. Whatever it is that we connect to in a person, it's not what they're wearing. It's not where they went to college. It's how much flows through them, how much light? Like the lamp. Like, it's not where you got the lamp. Pottery Barn, West Elm. It's. Is it connected to the electricity? Because that's what's doing the heavy lifting. And then you realize, all the glory go to the king. You know what I mean? I can then receive that. Because your intention, really, is to be a pointer. Right. To the greatest light of all, which is actually inside of each of us. So when people look at you and they reflect that, that's really them saying, I see that in myself. You just made me aware that that is my capacity to be a vessel for that as well.
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Krista Williams
Totally. I think, you know, when I realized with receiving, too, there was a little bit of codependency in there, because the codependency is the focus on other. So if I'm someone, I'm like, okay, I don't deserve to receive a million dollars because there's other people in the world that don't have money. It's like, yeah. And there's other people that are actual billionaires. So what does other people have to do with what God has for me, my relationship and what I'm here to do is one to one with my soul and God. And so I'm not gonna take a bunch of other situations and scenarios and make those the reason why I'm not allowing God to do what God's gotta do with me. Whatever anyone else has in their life has nothing to do with me. And I think when you're codependent, you're so in everyone else's business all the time, trying to fix them, trying to help them, trying to control them. Oh, what about them? What about this? And it's actually very self focused. You know, that's what the way codependency healed me was. Figuring out how it was actually me being obsessed with myself and how I wanted to be perceived and how I thought I was better than people. I thought I could fix them. I thought I could control them. And when we can release that and be like, whatever's happening in the world of finances, money, whatever, has nothing to do with, like, what is human here for me to receive and what is here for me to, like, accept. Because that is, like, what God wants to do is just give. Yeah.
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Kathy Heller
You know, one of the ten Commandments is thou shall not covet. Right. It's jealousy, and it's because it's a lack of faith.
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Yeah.
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Because everything in the orchestra is made to play the notes it's made to play. A cello is a cello. A triangle is a triangle. You know, the wood instruments, the brass instruments, totally irrelevant. And ultimately, we don't want to feel like we lived out our life according to somebody else's song.
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Krista Williams
Exactly.
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Kathy Heller
We want to play our song.
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Krista Williams
Exactly.
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Kathy Heller
Whatever it's meant to be. And so when you remember it that way, you can say, just have me go where you want me to go.
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Right.
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All of that. Okay. As we're wrapping up, I want to ask you because it's been pretty cool how you started making this known to the world. And I remember hearing you say this at Alyssa Nobriga's house, that you were gonna go into comedy.
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Krista Williams
Oh, yeah.
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Kathy Heller
That you love doing standup. You love making people laugh. And then I saw that on your birthday, you did a little comedy so what's happening with this? Where's this dream taking you?
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Krista Williams
So since I was little, you know, I looked at all the pictures of myself when I was doing a lot of inner child work. I was someone that didn't really have a lot of memories. You know, I didn't really have any clear memories of my childhood. That explains a lot about my childhood. But, you know, to stay to the story didn't have a lot of memories. So I was like, I'm gonna look at pictures of myself to just get the essence and get the sense of who I was and what I was doing and what I was wearing. So I got a bunch of these pictures, and every one of the pictures, I had my tongue out. I was making a silly face. I was doing something goofy. I was performing in some type of way. And I remembered so much of my childhood. My favorite memories were when I was making my dad laugh or when I was making my mom laugh. And I loved that I could bring this alchemy to whatever room I was in, of whatever energy was going on at home. If I was making people laugh, I was feeling good. So in my life, humor and play is my love language. That is, like, the core essence of intimacy for me is humor and play. And I've always been someone that just loves to laugh and loves comedians, loves humor. So through the path of almost 30, you know, I've had an ability to express myself and be who I am. But I'll never forget we did one of our live shows on tour. We were in Los Angeles. We did, like, a opening set, and I just ended up being like, a comedy set. Like, I was telling stories, I was telling things. I was like, oh, my God, I love this. Because I love that with the podcast, we get to be in the depth. Like, I've been a deep person since I was born. Like, in the depths is where I live. And I also love to be in the height and the joy and the play. Like, I'm here to experience all of it. So when I realized I just love comedy, I love watching comedians, I love being on stage, I love performing, and I love speaking. I was like, I wanna do comedy. I wanna just be who I am in this other way. So three years ago, on my birthday, I just got the intuitive hit. I was like, I'm gonna do a comedy set for my friends. I just was like, whatever, I'm gonna do this. If I truly know that my friends love me and support me, they're gonna be down. If I grew up in Ohio and I was still in Ohio, I'd be afraid. Cause I'd be like, they're gonna make fun of me. They're gonna judge me. You know what I'd be like, they're gonna hate me. So I was in a special situation. So I wrote down like that week, like seven pages of this comedy set. Just like told these stories, all this stuff with my best girlfriends. I have never had so much fun. Like, it was just like the best girl dinner ever. Having so much fun. So from that point, it's tradition. On my birthday, I do a comedy set. I tell everyone stories about my dad who has Alzheimer's, which isn't funny, but there's funny elements to it. My dating, my relationship, spirituality in Los Angeles. And there's no real mission, there's no real purpose. I don't wanna, you know, at this time. If God wants to give me money through it, great. But I'm not like looking to make money. I'm not looking to be someone. I'm not looking to do comedy sets. I do take comedy classes. I'm just looking to follow my joy. I'm looking to follow my bliss. I'm looking to do something that makes me happy, that feels like an up level opportunity for me and, and be in the vibration of my inner child and just have this fun, playful experience. And so for anyone listening, it's like, what is the thing that your inner child loved to do? How did she like to express? How did he like to move? Like, how can you bring that out in your life in a way that you don't have to focus on where it's going or what it's doing? Like, I'm not gonna be like, I'm gonna go on a. Like, no, I just wanna be in the process of love and joy of it.
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Kathy Heller
I love it. I'm not surprised at all because I always say, like, one of my favorite actors of all time is Robin Williams. And my two favorite movies of his are both dramatic movies. It's Dead Poet Society and Good Will Hunting. He's also, you know. Yes, he's passed away. He was one of the funniest people. And it makes sense that he would be one of the deepest people. I think that those always go together. I think Jim Carrey is like that. And I'm not surprised at all that you have that. And there's something to me so powerful about play and joy and what a form of meditation that is. Because when we are in flow state, it's an improv. Life is jazz. We don't know what the next line is, we don't know what's happening. And I think so many people, our trauma response is perfectionism. And so we don't even then know how to access this level of manifestation or this level of joy which requires you to let go of and play. And when play becomes your spiritual practice, you're gonna have not only the best day, but you are going to be able to collaborate, take your hands off the wheel, let God steer and be available just for these moments you'll miss when you're so busy trying to over prepare that you don't play. And what's the whole point? Right? I think that Esther Hicks is one of the most important, playful, funny people. And you think about that like if, let's say you don't love meditation because for some people it's really hard. What if play was your practice? You know, we talk all the time about vibration. Vibration. It's like, what does it mean? It's like, well, what you're doing is yet another example of a real way to access a higher state of being. It's so cool, Krista. So few people are doing what you're doing.
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Krista Williams
Presence. And it's play. That's one thing I love. My soul, my soul. My soul's always gonna do what she. That's one thing I've just landed in. My soul's gonna do what she's gonna do. Whatever that is. Might be weird, might be off, but it's like the yes And I love that you said that. The yes and in life. Because that's such a motto for life, you know? Yes. And like, what else? Like, yes. Oh, thank you, God. I'm so grateful. I'm so. And what else is here? Like living in that. And you know, my dad having Alzheimer's. I use improv every time I'm talking to him. Yeah, he is not. He's not fully present. There's not. We're, you know, we were at Chick Fil? A the other day in Florida with him and he just drops in. He's like, you know, he starts negotiating this contract for this business. We're at Chick Fil? A eating chicken nuggets and I'm just in my improv. I'm like, okay, what are we going to do? You know, I'm like. And I'm able to like, be in a state of play and expression with him where before I'd be like, dad, you know what's going. You know, you're just kind of controlling this natural thing that's happening. And so for Anyone listening? Like, improv is such a good thing. Like, stand up is such a fun thing. Like, just find the thing that your soul loves to do, no matter if you're being paid for it or not, the way you want to express.
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Kathy Heller
It's so interesting just to call it back to you saying, the other day in Malibu on your birthday, am I allowed to be this happy? I was talking. I was giving a class, and I was talking about how there is a book called the Fun Habit. Mike Rucker wrote it. He's a professor at usc. And he said that the research actually shows that we are more productive if we have two and a half hours a day of fun. And that could be pickleball, that could be dance class, whatever. And the look on everyone's face, they looked a little deflated. And I said, it's so fascinating that you're annoyed that I'm telling you to have two and a half hours a day of fun, as if I just gave you, like, the hardest possible requirements to a better life. Could you hear this back? Like, are you available to have two and a half hours of your day of fun? And everyone realizes that what's fun? I am so, you know, regimented that unless I can say that this is for work or for my kids or for what's gonna make me more, quote, unquote, productive, I would never put it on my schedule. And it's really the opposite, Right? You think about the people who've moved humanity forward, and how do you do that? It's by having the capacity for this muscle that can see further, that can play, that can be available for what is in the unknown. Right? And how you flex that muscle of really co creating is being creative and being able to play and being able to assign yourself joy so that it doesn't feel like I'm giving you hard homework to tell you that two and a half hours of your day should be fun.
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Krista Williams
I know.
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Kathy Heller
How about 11 hours a day? I don't want less than that.
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Krista Williams
I know.
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Kathy Heller
I don't want less than 14 hours a day of fun. I'm sorry, I'm allergic to hard. I'm not available for it. And I think that it's the opposite. I think that you can make more of an impact. I think you can make more good decisions. I think you can even make more money. The better it gets. I think the better it does get if you're willing to play.
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Krista Williams
Mm, yeah. It's so interesting. With my clients, I'll have that too. Where I'm like, hey, do Something fun. They're like, the part of them that wants to make every single thing feel like they're not doing enough is just so present. It's just that it's like, never enough. I'm never doing enough. I'm not playing. Okay, now I'm not playing enough. Oh, now I have to play more. You know, it's like, it always feels like a to do list thing. They're like, oh, no, now research says I have to play. Like, it's like.
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Kathy Heller
It's crazy. It really is crazy. Because why do we want to manifest anything? Because we want to feel better. But then I tell people, how about you don't wait to feel better, you feel better now? And they're like, really? Did you have to say that? Did you have to go and tell me to feel good? That's the one thing I'm not willing to do.
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Krista Williams
Totally.
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Kathy Heller
So. Thank God you're in the world. Thank God you have the soul you have. That's on the mission. It has. By the way, what's your human design
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Krista Williams
generator and what's your 3 5?
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Kathy Heller
You're 3 5.
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Krista Williams
The great experimenter.
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Kathy Heller
I was just going to say you love to experiment with experimental. That makes sense.
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Krista Williams
Yeah. The great. Just.
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Kathy Heller
And like I said, you're taking us with you. It's a come with me journey. It's so good. All right, so where can we come with you? Tell us where to find you, how to follow along.
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Krista Williams
Yeah. Instagram. It's Christa. So it's its K R I S T A. And then it's Krista.com is where my retreats, my coaching stuff is. And then almost 30 is the podcast, which we have an episode from 1914 of us on the show. They have to find in the archives. Just search Kathy. Almost 30. You'll find a. You'll find a delicious treat.
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Kathy Heller
Oh, my God.
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Krista Williams
Of us.
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Kathy Heller
It's so cool. And I'm so appreciative that we can have the kind of relationship and friendship where, like, you just stand by and witness and you're just so here for the evolution.
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Krista Williams
Totally.
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Kathy Heller
You ever feel like as you grow, the people who knew you in high school are going to be like, yeah, you're a fraud. Like, I remember who you were. But then certain people you meet are
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just like, of course you're going to
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keep growing to be a better second act and a third act, and it's just going to get better and better.
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Krista Williams
I hope that's the. Yeah, I think people from high school, they'd be. I think they'd be like, yeah, this is exactly what that little freak is up to.
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Kathy Heller
Really? Yeah. This was so much fun. I was glued. I could have done it for four more hours. Thank you for coming on.
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Krista Williams
I'm so grateful. We love you guys.
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Kathy Heller
I love that conversation with Krista. Here are the takeaways. Number one. There is no greater catalyst for your growth and success than the people who surround you, those who can truly see, mirror and support you. Number two. Every single thing that you do is a prayer for the thing that's coming next. Number three. There is a creator that loves you, knows you, and wants the best for you. Number four. You don't have to come to God perfectly. God is not your cosmic butler. God doesn't need your report card. God is your ultimate co pilot. Number five. To be completely in 5D with your soul requires a level of surrender to your co creator and your collaborator. Number six. There's no miracle too big or too small for God. Number seven. We are souls that are here on a mission that will happen no matter what. Stop gripping and enjoy the process. Number eight. Make play and presence your practice. Follow your joy, follow your bliss. Be in the vibration of your inner child and just have fun and enjoy the playful experience. Guys, I'm so grateful that you choose to spend your precious time with me. It means the world. I hope that you'll continue to follow along on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, wherever you're listening to this, wherever you're watching, and if there's a specific moment that touched you, I would love for you to leave us a review. Let me know. There was a review that was left on last week's episode we did with Hannah Eve, and it was written by someone who's also named Hannah and she said this was the most beautiful conversation. I feel like I healed myself and expanded my consciousness in big ways as I was listening to both of you. So thank you. Well, that just lights me up. Thank you so much, Hannah, for the review. It's so fun to read these reviews. If you haven't left one yet, please do. We might just read it on a future episode. And one more thing before you go. I'm hosting a new masterclass on April 21. It's going to be live on Zoom. I'd love to invite you to it. We're going to be playing in the energy of receiving more, loving more, having more abundance, more support without feeling like you have to chase any of it. Because your next level isn't about doing more. It's about opening up to what's already here in escrow waiting for you to receive. You can join us@kathyheller.com masterclass. I love you so very much and I'll talk to you soon.