Erika Kirk's Address to America + The Great Southern Gerrymander

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Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Erika Kirk's Address to America + The Great Southern Gerrymander
Date: April 30, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk (posthumously, via clips), Show Moderator, Andrew Blake (Co-host), with guests including Rep. Andy Ogles & State Sen. Greg Dolezal
Theme: State of political violence, media bias, the Supreme Court’s VRA ruling, and the future of America’s congressional maps

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Episode Overview

This episode is a blend of reflection, political analysis, and breaking news. The first segment focuses on the fallout from recent political violence, including references to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and features poignant commentary from his wife, Erika Kirk. The second key focus is on the Supreme Court’s Section 2 Voting Rights Act (VRA) decision, its effects across Southern states, and how redistricting—often dubbed "gerrymandering"—could shift political power for a generation.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Erika Kirk’s Address: The Danger of Dehumanizing Rhetoric

[01:25—08:57]

• Setting the Scene: The aftermath of escalating political violence, including the White House Correspondents Dinner incident and attacks on journalists.

• Erika’s Main Message:

  • Urges a return to civil discourse; warns against dehumanizing opponents (“When you dehumanize people, that has a destination. When you believe your opponents are Nazis or tyrants, you can justify murdering them.” — Show Host/Moderator, [03:35]).
  • Emphasizes that ending political violence requires “doubling and tripling down” on efforts to uphold accountability.
  • Biblical reference from Romans 12:21: “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”
  • Large outpouring from listeners, expressing support for Erika and remembering Charlie’s legacy.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “When we stop talking to each other, bad things happen.” — Erika Kirk (clip), [06:07]

• Host Reflection on Charlie:

  • “It was about open discourse, open dialogue, debate, letting the differences be aired in public and see which idea was better.”
  • “If you disagree, come to the front of the line. Ask your questions.” — Charlie Kirk (audio clip), [09:17]

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2. Media Double Standards and Sympathy for Criminals

[09:29—16:14]

• Media Coverage of Violence:

  • Hosts highlight perceived hypocrisy in media's sympathetic coverage of left-wing criminals versus the victims (especially when the victim is a conservative or white).
  • Examples include the murder trial of Tyler Robinson (accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk), and media portrayal of his personal life to humanize him.
  • The discussion of Aryna Zyrutska’s murder (Ukrainian refugee) is another example.
    • “Sympathy for the criminals is cruelty to the victims.” — Show Host/Moderator, [13:34]

• Quotes & Clips:

  • “[The press] uses rhetoric about genocide and annihilation to radicalize individuals.” — Blake, [13:37]
  • “This was one of the coldest, most senseless murders I’ve ever seen...the attacker racialized it in his own telling.” — Charlie Kirk, [15:08]

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3. The Supreme Court’s Voting Rights Act (VRA) Section 2 Ruling

[17:39—51:35]

• Context: The Supreme Court’s decision to restrict the creation of majority-minority districts by explicitly racial gerrymandering (originated in Louisiana).
• Implications:

  • Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) Perspective:

    • Celebrates the decision, likens it to “taking back the House” and “saving the republic.”
    • Warns against “operating from a space of fear” and calls for aggressive action to redraw maps.
    • Pushes for convening Congress under Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution for urgent action.
    • Highlights political violence as a threat, condemns left-wing rhetoric, and connects it to rising hostility.

  • Risks of Gerrymandering:

    • Blake cautions that creating more “lean Republican” districts could backfire in a wave election ([19:49]).
    • There’s the potential for more moderate Republicans due to altered district boundaries.

  • On Democrat Reaction:

    • “They want to burn this country down and make it in the image of Europe and the socialists and the Marxists.” — Rep. Andy Ogles, [25:54]
    • “The bullets are only flying one way, sir.” — Show Host/Moderator, [27:04]

  • Campus Protest Culture:

    • Rep. Ogles recounts being shouted down at Belmont University, comparing disruptive students to “three-year-old children” and tying campus radicalism to the broader culture war ([28:19]).
    • “If you act like an idiot, someone calls you an idiot. Probably stop acting like an idiot.” — Rep. Andy Ogles

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4. Explaining the VRA Decision & Path Forward for Southern States

[36:50—51:35]

• Blake’s Explanation:

  • Supreme Court ruled that it’s not required to create “wild mutant” districts just for racial majorities—partisan gerrymandering allowed.
  • Evens the playing field—Democrats have long-drawn advantageous districts in New England; now, Republicans have free rein in the South.

• State Sen. Greg Dolezal (GA):

  • Calls on Governor Kemp to convene a special session ([38:39]) to implement fair, constitutional maps—impacts state and federal legislative districts.
  • Realistic expectation in Georgia is potentially one seat gain, but the ruling has larger implications across the region.

• Long-Term Impact:

  • Changes could lock in House control for Republicans through the 2030s as populations shift to red states.
  • Key quote: “There are some really big structural things that take time to get done, and we’re watching it happen before our eyes.” — Show Host/Moderator, [44:45]

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5. The National Redistricting Picture & Democrat Response

[53:04—62:14]

• Ryan James Graduski (Political Analyst):

  • Predicts up to 12 new Republican House seats across Southern states if all GOP governors act swiftly.
    • “This would basically guarantee Republicans really can’t go under 200 seats and probably into the 205–206 territory.” — Graduski, [55:52]
  • Notes Democrats' internal division between moderates and the progressive “Squad.”
  • Warns that Democratic states are losing population, which may cost them a dozen House seats in the next census, further benefiting Republicans.

• Democratic “Nonpartisan” Gerrymandering:

  • Criticism of California and New Jersey’s “fairness maps”—so-called independent commissions often lead to near total Democrat dominance.
  • “Should New York respond in kind by doing its own redistricting?” — Rep. Andy Ogles, quoting AOC ([58:50]).

• Prognosis:

  • The future battleground is not only partisan but procedural, as both sides vie for structural advantage in federal and state legislatures.

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6. Immigration: Voting Rights, Demographics, and Political Power

[62:14—70:16]

• Homeland PAC:

  • Graduski’s new Super PAC aims to hold moderate and pro-amnesty Republicans accountable and elect new immigration hardliners.
  • Praise for Rep. Brandon Gill’s approach to immigration.

• Population Trends:

  • For the first time, more Americans are moving to Europe/UK than vice versa (traditionally 4-to-1 in the other direction).
  • Hosts joke that it’s mostly liberals leaving (“If these liberals can't stand America...why do they always move to countries whiter than us?” — Graduski, [64:09]).

• Overseas Voting Controversy:

  • Frustration that Americans residing abroad (mostly liberal-leaning) still vote in US elections.
  • Both Graduski and the hosts advocate restricting overseas voting except for military.

• Asylum and Temporary Status:

  • Critique of those vacationing in their “home countries” while holding asylum/temporary protected status in the US.
  • “If American Airlines or Delta will fly there, there’s no reasoning of asylum.” — Graduski, [70:16]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Zero tolerance for assassination culture...Muscular free speech enforcement.” — Blake, [05:15]
• “If you disagree, come to the front of the line.” — Charlie Kirk, [09:17]
• “Sympathy for the criminals is cruelty to the victims.” — Show Host/Moderator, [13:34]
• “We have an opportunity in front of us today to pick up 8, 10, 12 seats.” — Rep. Andy Ogles, [21:16]
• “Progressivism is a religion masquerading as a political ideology.” — Andrew Blake, [48:22]
• “Politicians picking their voters instead of voters picking their politicians—not great for a democracy.” — Graduski, [58:37]

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Timestamps — Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:25–08:57 | Erika Kirk’s reflections, political violence, legacy of debate | | 09:29–16:14 | Media bias, discussion of violent incidents, criminal sympathy | | 17:39–32:16 | Rep. Andy Ogles on VRA ruling, House control, campus protests | | 36:50–51:35 | Legal analysis of the VRA ruling, Southern states’ redistrict | | 53:04–62:14 | Graduski on national redistricting and Democratic response | | 62:14–70:16 | Immigration, Americans abroad, overseas voting, asylum critique |

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Summary & Tone

The episode is urgent and combative, blending calls for civil discourse with strong criticisms of both political opponents and the mainstream media. It’s unapologetically conservative, especially on topics of free speech, crime, and immigration, and holds little back when attributing intent to Democrat leaders (“They want to burn this country down”). The discussions are deeply rooted in news analysis and strategy, but also reflect ongoing grief and respect for Charlie Kirk’s legacy—both as a campus debate champion and as a cautionary figure for the dangers of current divisive rhetoric.

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For Listeners New & Old

If you’re new to the show, expect a mix of breaking news, policy analysis, and activist strategy—always filtered through an unapologetically conservative lens. Regular listeners will see recurring themes: skepticism of media, focus on procedural political fights (redistricting, VRA, etc.), and a direct connection between culture war rhetoric and the political violence now affecting even prestigious institutions.

Key Takeaway: The Supreme Court’s VRA ruling marks a major structural shift giving southern Republicans new opportunities, but the fight over political violence, media narratives, and demographic change is far from settled.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Andrew Blake]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Show Host / Moderator]

all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are here April 30, 2026. How are we doing, Blake?

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Oh, we're doing excellent.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Great. We are here at the Y Refi studio. We took a little bit, you know, a different tact yesterday. It was a special. Erica had a message that she wanted to deliver. I thought she did a great job. And then it was interesting for a lot of our real America's voice audience, this was probably the first time that you had been given the opportunity to see in full, at least on these airwaves, the prove me wrongs from Charlie and some of the clips of Charlie's interactions. And I thought it was a really poignant moment because you were able to see the compare and contrast in real time, the way that the current rhetoric is being approached often by our colleagues, our opponents, our foes. What are we? Our fellow citizens on the other side of the aisle versus how Charlie would approach it. And the contrast couldn't be more glaring. Let's just be honest. Charlie was a guy that would say, come up to the front of the line if you disagree. If you disagree, come up to the front of the line, ask your questions. That's what it was all about. It was about open discourse, open dialogue, debate, letting the differences be aired in public and see which idea was better, see who could get to the top. So that's different than, hey, I don't like you. I'm gonna try and kill you. And unfortunately, that's what a lot of our public discourse has devolved into. And I thought Erica gave a poignant, poignant address and remarks. You know, after what happened at the White House Correspondents Dinner, I think a lot of us when we were in that room realized this is getting absolutely out of hand. I mean, we've realized it on this show for at least seven months with what happened with Charlie. But when you see a room full of the most prominent journalists in the country be exposed to a violence like that, and to be exposed to just the raw energy, the violent raw energy that you could feel in the room as even the Secret Service were jumping over tables and climbing on chairs around your head as you're huddled underneath a table, I think it brings it home. And I think this is an opportunity for the country to sort of reassess where we're at. And it's an opportunity for all of us to reassess where we're at and realize we have to double and triple down our efforts to end the scourge of political violence in this country. And so I was really proud of Erica. I thought she did a great job. And she addressed some of the things saying, hey, listen, when you dehumanize people, that has a destination. When you believe that your political opponents are actual Nazis and fascists and tyrants, then, yeah, I guess you could tie yourself into a knot ideologically and justify murdering them. And that's what Cole Allen did. Now, Cole Allen has been. We just found out, by the way, they did a review of the Secret Service agent who was shot. That was not friendly fire. It did, in fact, come from Cole Allen's gun. So he's going to be in some serious trouble. And then we have other breaking news that the attackers that went after Savannah Hernandez in Minneapolis, that the Ostrusko family, all three have been charged, indicted federally, a grand jury returned three indictments, or indictments on all three, I should say. And so we're going to see justice pursued there. This is critically important. And, Blake, you know, you feel free to chime in here on this. It's critically important that the people that attack people for their political views or their ideological views are held accountable in a very public way. Because if this Ostrusko family would have gotten away with just a slap on the hand or a misdemeanor charge in Minneapolis, Hennepin county, as we were expecting, then what's to stop them from doing it again? And what's to stop other people that are similarly bent and Minded to do it to other journalists and other reporters. So this was a huge, huge, huge news story yesterday that we wish we could have got to go ahead.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

No, as we've said, there has to be. We've said before, there has to be zero tolerance for assassination culture. And downstream of that, you have to have, let's call it muscular free speech enforcement. And that means that we have to set the norm, that you resolve differences through argument, through debate. And it's not acceptable to treat it as some sort of sport to attack a reporter. You don't like to attack a speaker. You don't like to sucker punch these people to cause mayhem for their events, to, as we've seen on our pull a gun. But even just we've always seen these professors who will trash our tables, who will rip up their stuff. There has to be pretty low tolerance for that as well. You need a very strong. We've warned about the heckler's veto. Well, we need a veto of the heckler's veto.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Well, the assassin's veto and the assassin's veto. Yeah. Here's a clip from Erica yesterday. SOT 30 it is when you stop talking, bad things happen. That's when violence happens. Sat 30 when we stop talking to each other, bad things happen.

[Ryan James Graduski]

This is why my husband created Turning

[Show Host / Moderator]

Point usa so we could have civil discourse and, and debate and open dialogue. This is a moment for Americans to come together and decide what kind of country we are going to be before we lose our country altogether. In Romans, chapter 12, verse 21, it says, do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Yep. The we will not be overcome by evil. We will overcome evil with good. That was what Charlie did. That's what we must continue doing. That's our call as Christians that we cannot let this country devolve into a cesspool of violence and political assassinations. We just simply can't. What kind of country would our children inherit and our grandchildren inherit if we let this happen now? So, I mean, it was, I think it was a poignant moment. We got a ton of emails from you guys in the audience. Blake has a few pulled up.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Yeah, we just, we had a lot of reactions. Some of it was a lot of people. It caught people off guard to do that. We haven't had Eric come on here too much, but. So, for example, William said Erica's intro to the show today was a statement that makes me proud. It is a message that Charlie would have said about the hate that we see today. We got one from Kara. God Bless you, Erica. Lift you and the kiddos and the turning point family in prayer every single day. And she says Charlie was big picture and this was big picture as well. There's not just one thing that can heal us. And it takes everything above fitted together. And she really liked how when Erica threw it to the old Charlie stuff. Buckle up, here we go. We've got Colleen. I just got done watching the video of Erica on the Charlie Kirk show. I cannot imagine the anguish and heartbreak that she is going through. It is so frustrating to see how she has to fight for her existence and grieve. But she's been very brave, very true. And just a lot of. A lot of appreciation for seeing a lot of the Charlie stuff, which I think is worth us pausing. We've seen it, we've run it as special episodes, but a lot of people out there who watch primarily through rav, they don't necessarily see lots and lots of Charlie debating on campus, clips and stuff. And so it was good that we were able to show that. And we encourage all of you who like it and who do watch this primarily through rav, we continue to have Charlie debate Greatest Hits release as podcast episodes on the weekend. We just had one of him debating pro life issues. We've had him debating border issues. We encourage you to check those out because Charlie's message is still out there and people need to hear it.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Totally. And we went to a lot of effort to make sure that all those episodes are up now. And so check them out. Please take advantage of that. I want to play just a quick 10 seconds of Charlie just welcoming people who disagree. And this is the essence of Turning Point. This is Charlie's legacy. It's. It's one we can't forget. It's one that needs to be pumped into the bloodstream of this country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sat 28 guys are welcome to ask anything. Open mic disagreement. Most welcome. You disagree, come to the front of the line. You disagree, come to the front of the line. If you disagree, go to the front of the line. You guys know how it works. You disagree, go to the line. We'll have a great conversation.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Amen. Miss him. Every day there's a couple clips that I think really just make it pop. Bring it to life about the way that the media treats left wing criminals and the way that they treat what happens when conservatives get attacked or, God forbid, killed. So I'm going to start where this show really should start, and that's with Tyler Robinson, the man who is standing trial for the assassination of our friend Charlie and I want to take you back to how an ABC reporter described a bloodthirsty murderer's text to his lover. His trans identifying gay furry lover. I guess he's not a furry 25. It was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.

[Charlie Kirk]

A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect

[Show Host / Moderator]

himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love

[Charlie Kirk]

and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized

[Ryan James Graduski]

the life of Charlie Kirk and the

[Show Host / Moderator]

crowd, but was doing it in front

[Andrew Blake]

of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.

[Show Host / Moderator]

And on the other hand, he was,

[Charlie Kirk]

you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and as Pierre

[Show Host / Moderator]

said, riveting press conference. David, that's really sick. A touching portrait. Who jeopardized the life of. No, he didn't jeopardize. He stole Charlie's life. He murdered him in cold blood. But that's the way that they do it. Do you see that, like compound this clip hundreds and hundreds of times over across the population set? Do you see how this like little propaganda starts playing on the minds of Americans and how you start sympathizing with the violent criminals that are killing people? Or how about this one? Remember Aryna Zyrutska who was viciously stabbed in the neck while just trying to get home after work at a pizza parlor. She was a Ukrainian refugee who survived the war in Ukraine only to get killed brutally by a multiple convicted felon that was somehow walking the streets that never should have been there. Released by weak on crime democrat policies. SOT24.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

When you are mentally ill, you have

[Ryan James Graduski]

a hard time knowing that you are mentally ill. But also, I mean, people like Charlie Kirk van they've been looking for opportunities to make this some sort of like

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

reciprocal George Floyd situation.

[Show Host / Moderator]

We don't know why that man did what he did. And for Charlie Kirk to say we know he did it because she's white when there's no evidence of that is just pure race mongering, hate mongering. It's wrong. Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society. We don't know how to deal with people who were hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people, Hurt people. What happened was horrible. But it becomes an opportunity for people

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

to jump on bandwagons.

[Show Host / Moderator]

And then for someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Oh, hurt people, hurt people. That's how they summed up. Lunatic. Stabbing a woman in the throat for no reason, completely unprovoked. A crime we've seen over and over and over again in the country.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Sympathy, sympathy for the criminals is obscene.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

A crime that happens, sadly, routinely. We've seen. If you want other proof that they love criminals, just what is it? Every other week on this show we have to cover a new illegal immigrant led into this country under Biden, immediately allowed to come here as an asylum claimee, and they murder a random person, never should have been here. Obviously bad news. They were allowed in because on a fundamental level, when the left sees criminals and they see normal people, their sympathy goes to that criminal. I guess they have an easier time envisioning themselves as that criminal than as the normal person who'd be their victim.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Listen, sympathy for the criminals is cruelty to the victims.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

And I think we should hit another theme of what Erica said yesterday, that so much of what the press does to whip people up, to whip their own base up, to whip people like that teacher who wanted to kill the president up, or frankly, like Tyler Robinson, because he. A lot of those trans shooters that we've seen, they're whipped up by this idea that there is an impending genocide of trans people going on, that there's some. That they're facing annihilation. They're whipped up by a press that uses that kind of rhetoric. And as she pointed out, she was at. She just. She tweeted this last night. I'll read it. Many of the left wing journalists that attended the White House Correspondents Dinner have spent years consistently calling President Trump a Nazi, a threat to democracy and Hitler. And then they joyfully attended that evening's event. If they truly believe their own rhetoric, then they are either joyfully and willingly having dinner with Hitler or they are lying to radicalize American citizens with narratives they know are grossly exaggerated. And we know. It's. It's basically. It's the second point that deep down they know their stuff is hysterical. They will claim Trump is a dictator and then also trot out and say we need to beat him in the next election. Dictators don't go up for normal election.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, she's absolutely right. And I will tell you to compare that to the Van Jones clip where he's sympathizing with the killer of Irina Zaruska. Compare that to Charlie Kirk, the way he covered it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sat 23 this was one of the coldest, most senseless murders I've ever seen. She had no interaction with this guy whatsoever. She was sending money, her own business, and he just takes out a knife and just decides to stab her. I do say this with some form of just heaviness. I don't like politicizing situations like this, but it just necessitates it because there are so many dynamics at play here. Based on the information evidence we have, the attacker did say, I got that white girl. The attacker racialized it in his own telling of this situation. And we all know this. Any honest observer of your program knows this, including Van Jones, even knows this deep down, which is that, of course, if a random white person on a subway took out a knife and stabbed a black girl senselessly to death, there would be massive media coverage. There would be policy changes, There'd be people having to apologize for this. We saw this in George Floyd. And yet, for whatever reason, the situation has not garnered even a fraction of that kind of outrage or backlash.

[Show Host / Moderator]

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[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

[Show Host / Moderator]

So I know we got a lot of ground to cover, but I want to start because we haven't had a chance to address it on the show. Yesterday we did a special with Erica Kirk, and the Supreme Court case broke, and so we're kind of catching up here. But the VRA, Section 2 of the VRA has been basically gutted by the Supreme Court based on the Louisiana maps. But this could have implications across, especially the south, where you have these minority, racially gerrymandered districts. And now your colleague in the Senate, Marsha Blackburn, has called for a new map. If you could throw that up, folks, a new map of Tennessee. And you will notice conspicuously it's all red. The map is all red. So what is your take on this and what's your reaction to Senator Blackburn's suggestion here?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

It's a beautiful map. You know, I think what you can do is look at New England states and what we've seen historically over the last several decades. The Democrats will use every tool, every weapon that they have at their disposal to undermine the Republic and to undermine Republicans. And so when you look at the map in New England, it's all blue.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Why?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Because they've gerrymandered those districts. And so now with this Supreme Court ruling, we truly in the south have the opportunity to take back the House of Representatives, to increase our margins. And look, the midterms. We know the Democrats are going to lie, cheat and steal. We just know that. Right. And so whether or not we hold the House, whether or not we save the republic, whether or not we're able to implement Donald Trump, President Trump's agenda and vision for the country, which is amazing, by the way, could literally come down to that single seat in Tennessee in District 9. And so absolutely, we need to look at how can we support the cause, how can we save the Republic, and how can we implement President Donald Trump's agenda?

[Show Host / Moderator]

So one of the pushbacks that Blake and I have been talking about, for example, in like Texas, is that you are, in theory, you're creating some, let's say, swing districts that if we have a wave year could go against us, we could actually lose. We're losing ground, for example, with Hispanics. Go ahead.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

We should explain this out because the idea of gerrymandering is you can look at districts and they all are going to have a certain spread between Republicans and Democrats.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah. R plus 3 versus R plus 16 or whatever.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

To use Virginia as an example, Virginia just redrew their map or trying to. We'll see how it goes in the courts to give them a 10 to 1 advantage. The risk there is every district they're creating, they used to have, let's say, five or six districts where they're up by 15 or 20 points. Now they've made 10 districts where they're up by eight or nine points, they're still likely to win. But if you have one really bad year, suddenly you lose 10 House seats at once. And when you're making some of these aggressive maps in Texas, in Florida, we should remember Florida voted for Obama twice. Florida has been a swing state in recent history. That could revive. And if you have one of these very aggressive maps, Suddenly we're putting 10, 20 house seats at risk at once.

[Show Host / Moderator]

The other insight here, and Jeremy Carl has a great tweet on this, I recommend everybody check it out. You could be encouraging more moderate Republicans. Are any of these worries for you?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, this literally, if we lose the House on day one, the Democrats, instead of doing the business of the American people, instead of trying to make us a better country, secure our borders, have a strong military, all the things that Americans want, they're going to focus on impeaching President Trump.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Why?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Because they're crazy. They're leftist, they're loony, and they're more interested in stealing elections than saving the country. So that being said, we have an opportunity, and this is Republicans operate from a space of fear. We have an opportunity in front of us today to pick up 8, 10, 12 seats. Then right behind it, we have a census where we're going to pick up 8, 10, 12 seats. And so this idea that, you know, we're not going to do the right thing, the proactive thing, the aggressive thing, because of what might happen, I think is an argument that sets us up for failure. We can take and ensure that we hold the House in this next Congress, which literally will be pivotal in saving the country, in securing our elections. And by the way, on saving our elections, not to get us off topic, you know, I'm literally going to write a letter. We're releasing it today. We'll send it to you. Invoking Article 2, Section 3 of the US Constitution, we have a Congress that is gridlock. This, this allows the president to force Congress to stay, stay in Washington, D.C. and do our dadgum jobs, like save America, like funding CBP and like funding ice. Enough is enough. We are at crisis mode. We are at war. We're under attack from all sorts of directions and dimensions. It's time we stay in D.C. and get this done.

[Show Host / Moderator]

So Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution, one of the clauses here is convening Congress just for our audience's sake, allows the president to call both houses or either into extraordinary sessions. And I think you're right. I mean, one of the, I think under reported aspects of what happened at the White House Correspondents Dinner was the fact that those ICE agents hadn't been paid in 70 days. That's right.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

I mean, and look, so under extraordinary circumstances. So I think the logical question is, when has it been invoked? It's been invoked. I think it's five times, four times have been when you're in a state of war. Now, keep in mind, we've been invaded by 10 or 12 million people. We have criminals on our streets. We literally just caught an Iranian sniper in Alabama. You've got Ms. 13 all over the country. Like we are in a state of war. It may be domestic terror, but it's a state of war. And we have to do the thing to secure this country. And if that means we have to have extraordinary circumstances to convene Congress to get this done, to secure our elections, there is case after case after case of theft, of stealing elections at the local, the state and the federal level, I would consider that extreme circumstances. When we have Democrats, we know we have Democrats that are stealing elections. Let's pass the Save America Act. And if Thune does not have the stones to nuke the filibuster, then the President has the authority to make them stay there and do their job. And guess what? When they're missing their fundraisers, their codells and their little birthday parties, whatever the hell they're doing, when they're not in dc, Suddenly, I think all of that passes. When we are here and having to do the job, I'm sorry, we work really hard in the House, we pass all sorts of legislation and we send it to the Senate where it dies. Enough is enough. If they want to play games, if they want to get this done, I encourage the President to invoke Article 2, Section 3 and force Congress to get back to work.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

And an argument in favor of, I think, especially in the wake of this ruling, if you want a justification for passing the Save America act, even if it means removing the filibuster, you should check the left's reaction to the Supreme Court case that is changing the Voting Rights Act. It's a Louisiana versus Calais, or Calais, I don't know how they pronounce that one, but they're getting really unhinged about it. And I know the Democrats do this a lot where they say this latest thing is the end of our democracy, but they're getting pretty radicalized on it. There are people, there are left wingers online who are saying one of their ideas is they should add, not merely make D.C. a state, but make it eight different states. Truly cartoonish stuff to just to pack the Senate with as many lawmakers as they want. I think it's much more likely that they will just say we need to abolish the filibuster day one. We need much more aggressive action. We're getting closer to that point where the Democrats are going to make a gigantic power grab the next time they're able to do it. It would behoove us to at least be ready for when this happens. No.

[Show Host / Moderator]

And to have the sense of urgency that you're encouraging. Congressman, I'll play Hakeem Jeffries, your colleague in the House, his statement to the press and get your reaction. SOT 16 and so the guy's falling apart.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

The MAGA majorities in Congress are falling apart. The Supreme Court is a disgrace. And Ben, in the new Congress, we're gonna have to do something about this Supreme Court.

[Ryan James Graduski]

And let me be very clear, everything

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

is on the table.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Your reaction, sir?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Well, I mean, he's admitting to what they're planning. Everything is on the table. They're going to nuke the filibuster, they're going to pack the Supreme Court, they're going to do anything and everything they can to grab power. And so we have, we, we have no choice. I mean, if I have a guy standing in my front yard with a can of gasoline and matches and he's telling me he's going to burn down my house, I should probably take him seriously. Hakeem Jeffries just told you he's in our front yard. He's got the gasoline in the matches. He wants to burn this country down and make it in the image of Europe and the socialists and the Marxists. I'm not going to stand by and let that happen. I'm not going to back down. I was in the room when the shots were fired to try to kill the President for the third time. I'm a little pissed off because it's the rhetoric from the left where they talk about taking this country by force, where they talk about rights in the streets and then when, when something happens, then they point and say it's the alt, it's not the alt right. We didn't shoot at Biden, we didn't shoot at Obama. No, the libtards have been shooting, trying to kill our President. It's the liptards destroying our country and it's guys like Hakeem Jeffries who quite frankly, this so called Hakeem Jeffries who shouldn't be in office.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Well, yeah, I agree. The bullets are Only flying one way, sir. All right, Congressman, I know you just had votes called. I was getting notes from your team that they're ushering you down to the, to the floor here in just a second. Second for votes. But so we'll make this quick. Belmont University. I'm going to play the clip and get your reaction. S19 Hate is not welcome on Belmont campus. Republicans are. But bigots or not, remember that we can vote Andy Ogles out this fall. He's up for re election this fall and we can vote him out. Awesome. Sabbath Place, man. Belmont used to be this Christian university, upstanding in Tennessee, red state, conservative. No. And by the way, Charlie broke a scoop earlier, Congressman, where it was they renamed their DEI program to Hub Hope Unity and Belonging, basically doing DEI under another name, trying to get away from the Trump administration. Cracking down on that. Your reaction to first the violence and the shouting that you experienced on a college campus and just the violence, the rhetoric, all of it, your reaction, sir?

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

Well, I mean universities should be institutions of learning where you hear both sides of any conversation. And what you saw there on display was individuals who were so one sided in their belief that they weren't willing to sit down and have a conversation. Now what you didn't see were the 70 or so students, maybe closer to 80 or 90, that were in a room. We sat down together and we had conversation and some of that debate was spirited, but that's okay. I mean that's what John Quincy Adams talked about when he said he loved the House. It's where you argued and debated. It was the raucous chamber. And so but you want that dialogue. And so what you have is you have, you had a handful of students who I don't think are quite frankly representative of Belmont University. You know, Nashville is unique in that. We have Lipscomb University, we have Belmont, we have Vanderbilt and TSU and MayHarry. We have three medical schools. We have this concentration of universities that really contribute so much to our community. But then you have these isolated pockets who stand in a hallway and they act like three year old children. Look, I would let my child behave that way. And so when they get called names, look, if you act like an idiot, someone calls you an idiot, probably stop acting like an idiot, right? If you act like a libtard in the hallway and someone calls you a libtard, you know, you brought it upon yourself. You have a member of Congress in the hallway literally saying, sit down and talk with me. I want to hear your side of this conversation. But I also expect you to sit down and hear my version. They weren't interested in that. But that is indicative of the left. You have to agree with them. Or they call you racist or they call you a bigot or heaven forbid, like Charlie, like the President, they try to shoot you.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Well said, sir. I know you gotta get away and get to the go, get some votes done there, which is kind of your job. So we'll let you do it. But I just want to give one quick shout out before I let you go. You have been leading the charge on what I think is the existential threat to the United States and that is reforming legal immigration. And I'm grateful for you for doing that. You've even called for the repeal of hart Celler, the 1960s era immigration bill that basically transformed the country and nobody really had any idea what it was going to do. As a matter of fact, they promised it wouldn't do what it's done. And the erasure of American society and the invasion level immigration which was compounded in 1990 when they expanded green card holders from 500,000 a year to 1.2 million a year. We have been absolutely subjected to invasion level immigration and you're doing a great job. We need to change the Overton window in Congress. Cuz all of us out here, we get it. Do a net zero immigration moratorium, we're all in. We do poll after poll, everybody wants it, we're sick of all the immigration, we're done. We've had a big meal, we need time to digest. But your colleagues in Congress, they cannot figure it out that we're done with it.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

I'm beating the drum. And to your point, it is forced invasion. It's no longer immigration, it's an invasion. We have to call it what it is. And you can look at the, literally the rape of Europe right now. If we don't wake up, that's coming to New York, that's coming to Chicago, it's coming to Nashville and I'm not gonna let that happen on my watch.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, well we're still letting in too many damn people, candidly. So God bless you for banging the drum, cuz it is an Overton window. Anybody in D.C. thinks it's beyond the pale to say, oh, we don't need this many immigrants, we got an AI revolution coming down the pike. We're gonna create a permanent underclass of these people because there's no good, not gonna be any jobs from farm sector to, you know, many entry level jobs, many labor jobs, all of it's going to be wiped away in about 10 years. And so we better be taking care of Americans first. And Congressman, I just wanted to salute you for doing that and leading the charge on that, because we need to change the thinking in Washington what's possible. And hopefully this VRA SCOTUS ruling will help us get you some reinforcements in Congress that can get that done.

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

We got to thank you so much.

[Show Host / Moderator]

All right. God bless you, sir. Blake, your reaction to Belmont, you know, this is not limited the screeching and the wailing and the gnashing of teeth of these infantile libtards as the libtards.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

I love that word.

[Show Host / Moderator]

We had a counter.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

It's a great word. It's great to hear. It's great to hear congressmen using it. But it's important to note this because it's a thing Charlie was worried about. It's a thing we all need to remain worried about, which is reminding ourselves that really deranged left wing stuff is not a thing restricted to the Ivy League. It's not a thing restricted to blue states or really blue cities and regions. It's a thing that is all across the country. And we've really, I think, only in the last few years really seen the right start to realize this. I think we got a great model in Florida where Governor DeSantis, he let Christopher Rufo start experimenting on the new college in Florida. But you also seen it, I think it was Oklahoma. You start seeing the schools look at their public universities and say, wait, what are we paying for with unlimited public money to do? And I think when we look at all of the schools and what we're funding with state dollars. State, you know, because states get involved in the education game, I think it really behooves us to be aware of these things.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's crazy for. To see that scene at a Belmont University, which is in Tennessee, and Andy Ogles is a popular congressman, and to see him shouted down as a bigot. And it's probably because of his immigration stuff. Candidly. I mean, Andy Ogles is one of those guys that's proudly defending Western civilization. He's proudly defending traditional heritage American traditions and values. And so for that, he's a bigot to these absolute infantile. Just. I don't know who raised them.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

They're infantile. But I would be careful using that specific word because I think, well, it carries an implication of impotence that they're. They're just screaming babies. And what they are is they are ruthlessly. They're emotionally, but they are ruthlessly effective at getting what they want. This is not stuff that is crazy. Stuff on campus does not stay contained to campuses, spills out everywhere, and it rapidly becomes what you see in cities and eventually what you see at the state level. Insane laws start at the campus, so you have to look at what they're doing and take it deadly serious.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Well, and here's the, here's the truth. Most congressmen are not courageous like Andy Ogles. They'll, they're getting down. They'll see that. And then, though, they will cower in fear because they don't want to be shouted out, they don't want to be targeted. And honestly, that's the whole point of assassination culture.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Well, one final thought in favor of the new maps is change is coming, kind of one retirement at a time, one new congressman at a time. And new maps are a great way to get a lot of new blood in Congress all at once, by the way.

[Show Host / Moderator]

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[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

We didn't fully explain it in the last one, so we should probably do it here. So what was happening? This was a legal case over the state of Louisiana. So the state of Louisiana had a map that was basically, I want to say five Republican seats and one Democrat seat, or it might have been. Let me actually check how many.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Louis. But it was a racially gerrymandered map based on.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

It wasn't. So what? Well, it was. Okay, so the original one was. And what happened is a judge, they had kind of one seat that was heavily Democrat, and a federal judge said the Voting Rights act requires you to create more black majority districts that are going to be won by a black Democrat candidate. This is what the judge ruled. And he drew this, like, mutant looking map. You can check it. It has this hideous shape where it's stretching almost from New Orleans all the way up to Shreveport, these tendrils to create multiple districts. Louisiana contested this. It went to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court said, you can't draw these wild mutant districts just to create racial majorities for minorities. And you're just. You're not required to do that. And it's okay for. They also gave a green light. You are allowed to draw maps essentially for partisan gerrymandering reasons, even if they have some sort of racial impact. Where this will have an impact most of all is in the South. And the big picture here is for decades, it has been legal for Democrats anywhere they want to draw whatever districts they want, Virginia style, where they're gonna say, we're going to blow up any Republican seat we feel like. But then the courts will say it's illegal for Republicans to retaliate because we're going to say that it's racist for you guys to do it, but not for Democrats to do it. And the Supreme Court basically said, nope, it's equal. Everyone's allowed to do partisan gerrymanders if they want. And this unleashes us in the south to redraw some new maps.

[Show Host / Moderator]

And State Senator Greg Dolezal joins us now. Senator, welcome to the show. You are calling for Georgia to do something big, for Governor Kemp to do something big. Explain it. And what do you think is going to happen next?

[Andrew Blake]

Hey, Andrew Blake, good to see you guys again. Yeah. The south has been forced, and we were forced to do this in Georgia just a couple of years ago. We drew maps and that Judge Jones ruled that we had to draw More majority minority districts. And what that forced us to do really was just look at people solely through the lens of race. And we don't do that in America. And so the Supreme Court ruled correctly yesterday. And so that opens the window not only for Georgia, but for other Southern states to go into special session. Obviously, the congressional maps can be impacted by this, guys, but don't forget state House seats and state Senate seats also had to live under these gerrymandering rules handed down by judges. Like what happened here in Georgia and this happened all over the South. You guys know there's not even a single congressional seat that's a Republican seat in all of New England. And so they've been gerrymandering like crazy. And this time it's time for Georgia to go into a special session. I believe I saw that Virginia has already indicated that that's probably going to happen there. We've got to, we have the opportunity now to draw fair maps. The goal here is not to, to do anything nefarious. The goal here is that after we know that what happened with yesterday's ruling, we now know that we are forced to draw unconstitutional maps and we have to come back to session so we can draw constitutional maps based on traditional redistricting principles.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

So, Senator, I think a natural question because we were concerned about this, we've mentioned with Florida, with Texas, they are drawing maps that have, that could result in Republican gains. But with any district draw, you have the risk if you stretch Republican votes too far, you could flip it. And I know that's worth a thought for Georgia. Georgia, as we know, has been a very close state in many recent elections. It's not going super far either way. So if we draw a new House map for Georgia, what do you think is the most likely breakdown of likely Republican to likely Democrat seats that we would see? And just for comparison, right now there are, I believe, five Democrat leaning seats in, in Georgia.

[Andrew Blake]

Yeah, we're nine to five right now, I believe, is our current count. I've seen the prognosticators say that there's an easy single seat that probably was an unconstitutionally drawn seat. So one, potentially two. So you're not going to move the needle here, probably in Georgia the way that you, you're seeing other states do it. But, you know, one unconstitutional seat rectifying, that certainly is the right thing to do. But this also has implications for our state House and our state Senate as well, because we were forced as well to racially gerrymander under judge's orders on both of those Fronts.

[Show Host / Moderator]

So what does it take to get this done? So you're calling on Governor Kemp. So assume. I would assume that Governor Kemp is the key here, or is there another route?

[Andrew Blake]

Yeah, there's two triggers, and I'm not specifically calling out the governor, but the governor does have. He is. The individual does have the ability to do that in his own capacity. And then two thirds of the General assembly can also do that as well. That'll probably go over as well as when I called for a special session back in 2020. In terms of two thirds of the General assembly, we got just a handful of folks willing to stand up back then. You might see a bulk of Republicans do it, but we do not have a constitutional majority here in Georgia. So realistically and functionally, the only way for that to happen, I'm sure, is with the governor. I'm sure he's huddling with his team, having conversations and trying to figure out what he wants to do.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Well, and we just got news. Looks like President Trump says he just had a good conversation with Governor Bill Lee in Tennessee this morning, wherein he stated that he would work hard to correct the unconstitutional flaw in the congressional maps of the great state of Tennessee. So that's one state we've heard the same from. Mississippi, obviously. We know this was all sparked by Louisiana. Florida has come in. I mean, there is a map here, and I'll show you the redistricting where it shows we could add up to 12 seats across the entire South. Now, I know you're also on the state level, so you're concerned about that as well, which is huge, by the way. The way that we run red states needs to be redder and more conservative. Right. Look at what Virginia has done, where they get, you know, barely have a margin there, and they go full commie, right? You give them 50 plus one, and they go full leftist. And so we should at least be as conservative as our voters are, right? Get the things done that we know our voters want. This is +12, though, across the south, and there's big swaths of that blue. I mean, it's just wild to see how much blue and deep red south that there is because of the vra. That left map is literally the historical legacy of the Voter Rights Act Section 2, which has just been completely altered in. Or at least our understanding of it legally has been. So if Governor Kemp calls for a special session, what then needs to be done in order to get those maps approved? And what's the timing on it? Can you get it done by midterms?

[Andrew Blake]

I don't know that we can get it done by the midterms. There's an open question because we actually have early voting underway right now. A couple of quick thoughts, though, Andrew. First and foremost, the reason the state legislatures are important is they are the ones that will do the redistricting after the next census. And so rebalancing these districts to be fair districts in the south impacts the next decade really of American politics and control of the house in the2030s. I know that the lawyers here discussing what can be done, I misspoke earlier in Virginia. I think that it's Louisiana that is saying they're going to pause their midterms. I haven't seen a legal brief on an official opinion on that. But the other thing I want to highlight, Andrew, is it's not just this redistricting, this racial gerrymandering that Democrats have been weaponizing. That combined with all of the illegals that they have flooded into their districts and their states that count in the census for the apportionment of House reps can't be overlooked as well. And that's really just kind of skewed the balance of power in this country for 30 years.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, I mean, Jeremy Carl again, second time I've referenced him, he's basically saying that we could have fair representation in this state, more accurate representation in the country. Rather, for the first time in his lifetime, we're on the path by the2030s to have some of the things that Democrats have gotten accomplished for decades having those reversed and having it set right. So while everybody's dooming out there, just remember there's some really big structural things that take time to get done and we're watching it happen before our eyes. So I want to play this clip. I'm actually, there's like two clips I really, really want to play, but this one, I thought gave away the game. This was CNN reacting yesterday to the clip. And Blake, I gotta get your reaction to this. This is what's great about having Blake on this. He's like a. His mind is a fascinating place to explore. So get your thoughts on this. Sat 34, the challengers are gonna have

[Andrew Blake]

to say that there are no race

[Show Host / Moderator]

neutral reasons for this.

[Andrew Blake]

And that's awfully hard, especially because of

[Show Host / Moderator]

the partisan alignment between whites generally voting

[Andrew Blake]

Republican and blacks generally being affiliated with.

[Show Host / Moderator]

With the Democratic Party.

[Andrew Blake]

Pam.

[Show Host / Moderator]

All right. We're joined, of course, by state Senator Greg Dolezal from Georgia. So, Blake, Greg, did you catch what she just said there? For me, it was Like a huge whoopsie daisies there. Cuz she said because blacks generally vote Democrat and whites generally vote Republican. They admitted it. And if you look back through the years, basically you'll realize a stunning factoid that Democrats can't win the white vote, at least the majority of them.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

But I actually want to pick at that because there was an exceptionally funny case that really gets at the heart of this. This is during the Obama years and there was a town in North Carolina and what they wanted to do is they wanted to change it so their local elections were non partisan, you just didn't have a party. And Eric Holder's DOJ tried to block this and they were filing cases in court where they said this was illegal. They said because it would be deprive black residents of their basically their constitutional right to vote for Democrats that they would not be represented unless they could vote for the Democratic Party on the ballot. And I think that, you know, it's a few years ago at this point, but that perfectly does encapsulate their thinking that this is not about, you know, the right to vote, this is not about racial equity, this is specifically just saying they have to be voting for a specific party and electing a specific party or else it's unconstitutional. It's a perfect illustration of the Democrats saying our interests are the only thing that's constitutional, which manifests on every issue.

[Show Host / Moderator]

And this is exactly why Democrats are freaking out about this. And I'll say this one final line and then the floor is yours, Senator. But if you wonder why your community is getting overrun with unending massive unfettered waves of invasion level immigration, if you wonder why the laws have been constructed in such a way that clip gives it all up, it gives away the whole game is because Democrats realized a long time ago that playing it straight, playing it the way that you'd think that the system was designed, no, that doesn't work. They have to game it and they have to flood your communities with people that they can more easily get them to vote their way because the people that were here didn't wanna vote for him. And I think that's a very telling clip. Senator, your reaction to all of this?

[Andrew Blake]

Yeah, I agree guys. I think it's important in these moments when you try to kind of decipher what the other side is saying, we've gotta remember that progressivism is a religion masquerading as a political ideology. And so for these people, you wonder why they resort to violence so quickly. You wonder why they kind of rigged the system why they would want to import tens of millions of people into this country and really change the fabric of this country. You be, you don't understand it until you recognize that for them, this is religion. This is all that they think about. They're obsessive. There is not necessarily something higher that they believe in that they're striving for. This is the end. Political victory for them is the end. And they are willing to do it by any means necessary. And frankly, they don't care if they see the downfall of America come about as long as they're the ones that are in power. As you know, we're whistling past the graveyard here. And so I think we see a number of these things that are. And it also tells you what they think about black people. We've seen this. You know, Joe Biden, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. We see, you know, here in Georgia, when we passed voter ID law, they called it Jim Crow 2.0 because they didn't believe that minorities were capable of getting nid. And they have this soft bigotry of low expectations that really, frankly shows you what they do think of their very own of their voters.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Oh, I totally agree. They believe that they are entitled to the black vote. And what they're going to find out, I think continually is that the further away we get from the 60s and as blacks over 50 have already showed this way less tribal affiliation with the Democrat Party, they're much more of a gettable vote. But to your point, Jim Crow 2.0, they had to take this one back out and reuse it again, SOT8 and today we're ramping up our efforts. We see the need for it just today in today's Supreme Court decision, which was a despicable decision, that is a return to Jim Crow. Pardon for that clip. There was an issue with it, but you heard it. It's a return to Jim Crow. I mean, we're literally. This is why there needs to be term limits. By the way, the day that we have congressmen and senators stop using Jim Crow, return to Jim Crow, that will be a good day for the country. But this is the point. I mean, I've got 14 clips here on my clip sheet that I could just. It's a grab bag of Democrats hyperventilating about this because I think they smell blood in the water with the midterms and they realize that, okay, the midterms, we're not sure what's going to happen. We might not have enough time, but you come come 20, 28 and the 2000-30s when that census hits again and all those people have moved from California and all the in Illinois and New York down to the red states that they are not going to be able to. It's going to be, let's put it this way, it's going to be very difficult for them to win back the House. It's going to be very difficult. Senator, thank you for coming on again. We appreciate it and we pray for much success in Georgia. It's a tight state but I do agree. We looked at the maps and the breaks. There's at least one House seat that I think is gettable. So let's hope you guys are successful in that. Governor Kemp shows some spine and gets on board. So great having you again. We'll talk to you soon.

[Andrew Blake]

Thank you guys.

[Show Host / Moderator]

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[Show Host / Moderator]

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Tell us about the showcase. Yes.

[Ryan James Graduski]

The podcast called A Numbers Game with Ryan Graduski. It's on iheartradio and we discuss data behind everything going in politics and the news and economics. So I kind of break down the numbers behind what's driving new stuff. It's a little bit wonky, it's a little nerdy, but it's really, really interesting and it's growing. It's one of the best shows on the Clam Buck network.

[Show Host / Moderator]

I love it. All right, so you. We have so much to get into. Actually. Let's go to redistricting first because we've kind of been on that beat a little bit. I sort of posed to you two questions. What would the numbers be and what's the timing? How fast can we get this done? There's a lot of consternation about midterms for obvious reasons. Some headwinds that we're looking at question how fast and what are the numbers?

[Ryan James Graduski]

I think in some states you can get it done relatively easily. I know Mississippi, Tate Reeves says he's doing it. Louisiana says he could do it. The numbers overall, if you could do it across the entire Deep south would be 12 House seats, four in Florida, two in Georgia, two in Louisiana, two in Alabama, one in Mississippi, one in Tennessee. The one in North Carolina has already been redistricted and one in South Carolina. So 12 total be 13 North Carolina, but we already done that. I think some governors would be very quick to go along with it, like Tate Reebs in Mississippi. Louisiana has already stopped their primary ballots and they're going to push it back and have one in Louisiana. Florida has already done it with with Governor Ron DeSantis taking the lead there. Other states like Alabama, Ivy Governor Ivey has said that she is not going to do it this term and the AG and kind of her are arguing about this. Governor Ivey is terminated, so she's out after this year anyway. But she's basically said no. Governor of Georgia. I have a very hard time seeing how Brian Kemp does do it. He's been kind of resistant to a lot of things that the Republicans want to do. South Carolina, it depends on how much love Clyburn has given. Almost all these states are having new governors come in after next year. Almost all of them will have Republican governors. I think the conversation is going to be immediately to all the people running for governors if they're going to do this in the 2027 year, the 2028 year. So overall, 12 seats, which is a game changing number, but the timeline, I would say maybe three states are going to do it on time.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Got it. And how many would you count among those three states?

[Ryan James Graduski]

That would be seven seats. One in Mississippi and four in Florida. Alabama. Let's see what pressure goes on. Decade Ivy.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

That's. But that's, I mean, that's offsetting the Virginia power play, which is not a sure thing to be pulled off. It's offsetting California. I know polls suggest it's dicey to hold the House no matter what, but why would you say that has on our percent chance of sustaining things?

[Ryan James Graduski]

Yeah, so. So everyone kind of goes back to the 2018 numbers, but Republicans lost dozens of seats. There are far fewer swing districts this time than there are next time. There's really no new seats in California. They're going to lose like, because there's only four left. New York has a few swing seats. New Jersey has one swing seat. Pennsylvania is the big state. It has four swing seats, three in Republicans hands. So that's like the real sorry, foreign Republicans hands, rather. That's a really big place. Michigan has one or two. So there's just less wing states to really go around as we are whittling down how many states we could lose, how many states we can win. This would basically guarantee Republicans really can't go under 200 seats and probably into the 205, 206 territory. And then we're looking at Democrats maybe with a 10 to 15 seat majority at most.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Hmm. That's. I mean, we have a very slim majority in the House right now and it's hard to get stuff done. But you know, when you have the majority, you have power. Right. And so we, you know, even if we lose the House and it's only 10 or 15 seats, I mean, yeah, it's not a bloodbath, but it's. We're still going to. We're still looking at impeachments, we're still looking at endless investments.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Absolutely. But what happens then is there's a, there's a big argument that goes on between like the Josh Gotheimers of Congress, who are much more moderate, obviously very more favorable on Israel and other issues. And then you have the AOC wing, you have the squad, and you have a real, real breakdown within the Democratic Party of where, what vision that they have going on. And I think you're going to see them, I think you'll see the moderate Democrats cave to the woke, much more woke progressive wing of the party on issue after issue, which hurts them going into 20, 28. So it's not a complete loss. And then we go into 20. You know, it's very funny right now if you see the left, they are having a nervous breakdown on Twitter. They are, you know, they're like, we're going to redistrict New York and New Jersey and Minnesota and we're going to Democrats with nothing. At the end of the day, Democrats face a long term issue because as of right now, California, Oregon, Rhode Island, New York and Illinois are going to lose nine seats if Trump does not crack on immigration, which is the big thing, because these states grow only through mass immigration. They're going to lose about a dozen seats in the 2030 census and those seats are going to go to red states and they'll redistrict new House seats, mostly red districts. There'll be maybe a few, one or two Democratic seats, but they will be mostly red seats in these states. That creates a dynamic where they cannot redistrict enough to give themselves majority. I don't like this, you know, cold war hot war of redistricting numbers. I think politicians picking their voters instead of voters being their politicians, not great for a democracy. However, they can't win this through just redistricting fight after redistricting fight.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, I know. I'm going to play a clip here from AOC and have your reaction to it because she's getting to something similar that I apologize in advance for playing a AOC clip. But side 13, should New York respond

[Rep. Andy Ogles]

in kind by doing its own redistricting once the amendment, if the amendment passes.

[Show Host / Moderator]

I have long felt that we all have to play by the same set of rules. And the Republican caucus has made it very clear that they want and are setting rules of partisan gerrymandering. The Democratic caucus has tried to pass Nonpartisan gerrymandering for 10 years. Republicans have rejected it. And so we have to all abide by the same rules.

[Andrew Blake]

And so if Republicans are going to

[Show Host / Moderator]

redraw North Carolina, if they're going to

[Andrew Blake]

redraw Texas, if they're going to redraw

[Show Host / Moderator]

and gerrymander every one of their states,

[Andrew Blake]

then unfortunately, we have to provide balance

[Show Host / Moderator]

to that until we get to the day when we can all finally agree to put this behind us and pass nonpartisan gerrymandering federally. How come when I hear her say nonpartisan gerrymandering, I just assume we're going to get screwed. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Let's unpack that a bit because we've seen this play out. I know in California, for example, they have nonpartisan gerrymandering or the Virginia gave

[Show Host / Moderator]

them the language in the Virginia Fairness. The fairness maps.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

The fairness maps. But you might know about this, Ryan, how it has played out at the state level. I know in California specifically, there was a lot of process where they could declare people stakeholders in the process, I believe. And this would just justify it. Turns out we needed 92% Democrat seats in this state to be fair.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Yeah. So actually, if you want to see a worst case of independent gerrymander redistricting, New Jersey has districts that are not even connected by land. Like, they connect them through the ocean, and that's how the district is connected. So actually, New Jersey is way more egregious with independent redistricting. In New York, the New Yorker, the New York voters passed an independent redistricting law over 10 years ago. In 2021, Kathy Hochul tried to repeal that law. It went down and her, her, her appeal repeal went down in flames. She lost by 10 points to repeal the independent redistricting. So she has tried multiple times to redistrict New York State and it's failed in both federal and state courts. And she's tried over and over again. She just tried in Staten island this year. There's no way for her to do it in time for the 2026 election. So this is a 2028 play. But AOC should be much more worried. New York lost over 200,000 residents over the last seven years. Of course, according to new census numbers, if without immigration, their domestic migration out of New York is so heavy and the death toll from older New Yorkers just dying naturally increases the loss year after year. AOC should worry about what kind of seat she's going to have because New York City is almost certainly going to lose a seat and there's only one Republican left in New York City. So they could talk about redistricting. I mean, they can't get rid of Staten Island. I'm sure they would like to, but AOC should be much more worried what kind of district she's going to have to have to represent into in four years, rather than whether or not what Republicans are doing. And by the way, Illinois did it first. California do it in the 70s when Democrats control Texas. They love to do this gerrymandering in the 80s. There is no, like, it's not a question of we didn't start the fire. Like, I mean, it's a quote, Billy Joel. Republicans didn't start the fire. This isn't going on for decades. If you want a true independent thing. I mean, this is never going to happen. You get rid of districts as a whole, do proportional representation by state of how they vote. That's literally the only way you get rid of gerrymandering. Other than that, we're always gonna have something. It just depends on how fair it ultimately is.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Homelandpact.com Ryan is a man after my own heart here. You want to elect candidates that support sovereignty, border security, immigration, common sense. Tell us about it.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Yes. I launched a new super PAC called Homelandpact.com after Maria Salazar pushed forward the Dignadot act, which would give Amnesty to probably 15 million illegal aliens. 12 to 15 million illegal aliens. We want to hold all 20 Republicans. Many are not running for reelection, but hold the 20 Republicans accountable. We're already pushing for one primary challenge right now in this election cycle. Many more in 2028. We're going to hold them accountable and support Republicans who are really good in immigration. We need more Brandon Gills in Congress.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Us. Amen. Brandon Gill.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

He's been amazing.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah. You were a colleague or you're a student.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Yeah, he was a lower classman while I was at Dartmouth.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Dartmouth.

[Ryan James Graduski]

I was his GC for his campaign.

[Charlie Kirk]

Or now.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah. Killing me. Oh, that's. That's great. I want to talk about this thing that you were posting about online. Looks like it's titled the Americans Are Coming. For the first time in recorded history, more Americans moved to the EU and UK countries than Europeans moved to the US and you see this graph here? And I sent it to Blake. His first reaction was like, that's kind of depressing. And I go, no, it's not.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Just 20 years ago, the ratio was 4 to 1.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Ratio was 4 to 1. I have zero problem with this. And I'll explain why, because you look at that graph, it's basically when Trump gets into office, the dip happens from Europeans coming to the United States. And guess what? Guess who's leaving? All the liberal. All the Rosie o', Donnells, and they're just fleeing the country en masse. I have zero problem with this, by the way. It doesn't change the fact that we have a third world invasion migration problem that's erasing American culture. Gotta deal with that separately. This, to me, is just getting rid of, like, dead weight. Ryan, what's your take?

[Ryan James Graduski]

And you know, it's only one party holds primaries abroad, and it's not the Republican Party because conservatives don't leave America in general. I mean, maybe a handful do, but most do not. Democrats hold primaries abroad. Bernie Sanders, brother in the 2016 election was a delegate from. From Americans living abroad because liberals like to flee. My contention always is, if these liberals can't stand America because we're such an overtly racist country, why do they Always move to countries that is whiter than us. Like why not go to Haiti? Haiti is apparently not a whole country. It's a beautiful place allegedly. And we can't say, you know, that Haitians have enormous welfare programs and problems and all the rest of it. Absolutely no problem. Why don't they move to Haiti? Why does any of these, I never heard of a liberal moving to Tanzania or going to Liberia or any of the other million countries that is a majority non white country. They always move to white places that are whiter than us places like many of the gated communities which they live in while they scream about diversity. It is infuriating. But you know, I don't think they

[Show Host / Moderator]

should be able to vote if they're abroad. Candidly I want to get rid of dual citizenships and I want to get rid of like unless you're in the military or if you know, you're something like okay, there's carve outs but if you're just going to flee the country like Rosie o' Donnell should not be allowed to vote in American elections. I'm sorry, but you don't care about us enough to live here. You're so afraid of Trump. Well then fine, go away. And by the way, if you pursue a dual citizenship, you don't get to vote either. Like I don't know, there's gotta be something we can do about this cuz this is infuriating what you just told me. This primary abroad. Get out of here. Stop it.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Yeah, no, I 100% agree with you. I don't think that people who live around the world. I have a relative whose sister lives in Germany, she's lived in Germany for 30 years. She's a two time Obama voter, she's a Biden voter, she's a Hillary voter. She votes in every American election there is. She's not stepped foot in this country in over 30 years. And she is, you know, ardently for the Democratic Party, never misses an election. Her vote, you know, maybe can go to like a fake election count. Like this is how they would have counted. I can go to like the CPAC totals, it doesn't really mean anything but like they should not count towards any state and how they vote in the electoral college at all whatsoever. And it shouldn't really count for the popular vote either. Not that the popular vote means as much, certainly not to like a House representative and especially in these close elections where a few votes matter and they're like, we have to wait till these, you know, overseas ballots come. Unless there are Military serving across the world. Absolutely not. I completely agree with you.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

Now, I know we can gloat about this because, yeah, there are the Rosie o', Donnells, the move to Europe, that's the vast majority, I think, I think that's over. That's thinking too much. We cover politics every day. So we view so many things through the lens of politics. The vast majority of people who move countries are not doing it in protest over a country's election result one way or the other. And, and if you look at the chart, it's not so much that there's been an, like an explosion in Americans leaving the country. It's also that there's just a decline in Europeans coming to America. And I think we should reflect on that because America as it was, it was 20 years ago. It was a four to one thing because this is where you came for all the opportunity, all the jobs, and there's still a bit of that. Europe's economy is actually quite stagnant and backwards. But ultimately, we do want to be a country where Europeans are culturally and economically at home because that is our bedrock, that is our history. And instead we become, as we've said, a dumping ground for the third World. They're still coming.

[Ryan James Graduski]

Yeah. But also, you have to remember this, people who move tend not to be 65 and older. Right. You don't leave to move to a new country when you're, you know, a grandparent. Usually. Europe is aging. It's aging vastly. They are. Countries like Italy have a shrinking population. Countries like Poland are very close to it. They're just, they're only growing because their expats are moving home because the economy is so strong. That's part of why they don't have many immigrants coming here. And a big part of it is they're, you know, afraid of Trump and afraid of America. And they've been, they watch CNN abroad. It's like it's nonsense 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So they hear these stories that you have to be afraid, you have to leave. And also it's a continent of aging people. And if they want, I mean, forget if they want to send people abroad, if they want to survive as a, as a continent, they need to start having babies very, very quickly.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Yeah, that's a very good point. One last story here. Ryan sat 37.

[Charlie Kirk]

A real sense of excitement here at Gate D55 in Miami International Airport. That's something you haven't seen up on the board for the past seven years. Caracas, Venezuela. American Airlines going to make the first commercial flight to Venezuela from the US in seven years due to unrest in that country. It just hasn't happened.

[Show Host / Moderator]

For a lot of people here in

[Charlie Kirk]

Florida, it's going to be a chance for some to reunite with their family members. This is a symbol not just of reunions, but how much has changed in Venezuela over the past 117 days.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Great. So all of the asylum seekers, all of the temporary, what, whatever the categorization, they can all go home now, right, Ryan?

[Ryan James Graduski]

Absolutely. If you are. If you vacation in the country you are fleeing, you do not get to come back to America. The amount of Somalians who have vacationed in Somalia and have visited family and they got here through asylum, absolutely should have their citizenship revoked and their asylum claims revoked. There's no reason they do not belong here. Then if it's so safe to go back, I mean, and if these countries are so terrible, like they have this vote for TPS in Haiti, why can I fly to Port au Prince today? I can go buy a ticket at JFK and fly there today. It's clearly not nearly as dangerous as they're claiming. And if they're going to vacation and going to visit family, they're not running from the government and they don't have a legitimate claim to asylum. Absolutely. If you're. If American Airlines or Delta will fly there, there's no reasoning of asylum.

[Show Host / Moderator]

Amen. Amen. We agree. I wish we could disagree. I think when it comes to immigration, Ryan, you and me are probably on the same page. I'm so sick. All this gaming, our system and like, oh, I'm just gonna go back and visit my family, but I need asylum because I fear for my life. No, you need to get the heck out. And we actually need it. This is the problem with government immigration when they grant this temporary stuff. It's never temporary. It's always gamed. Ryan. James Graduski. We ran out of time, but check out all of his things. The numbers game, Homeland pack, Nat Pop, substack. Check them all out. Thank you, guys.

[Blake (Co-host or Analyst)]

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[Ryan James Graduski]

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