The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico
Date: May 27, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk (plus Andrew, Blake, and guests)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the Texas Senate runoff election and the rise of James "Tofu" Talarico as a Democratic candidate—an individual the hosts portray as emblematic of "woke" leftist ideology and alleged false Christian teachings. The show sharply critiques Talarico’s progressive rhetoric regarding gender, abortion, and religion while celebrating Ken Paxton’s landslide victory as a vindication of populist/MAGA values. The hosts also debate the tension between small-l libertarianism and the Republican base in the wake of Thomas Massie's recent defeat, and touch on broader issues like immigration, fraud in government, and higher education standards.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Texas GOP Senate Runoff & Ken Paxton’s Victory

• Paxton's Win as "Total Vindication": The hosts open by celebrating Ken Paxton’s 28-point landslide over John Cornyn, seeing it as a repudiation of GOP establishment (Cornyn) and as a grassroots base triumph, driven by Trump’s endorsement.

  • "Total vindication. I mean, what was the final tally here?" – Andrew (02:00)
  • "It was like 27%, 63.8 to 36.2. That is... getting routed." – Blake (02:23)

• Low Turnout, High Impact: Discussion about low voter turnout in the runoff and its implications for base mobilization in non-presidential years.

  • "Your vote in the base had a much bigger impact. That reason is Ken Paxton." – Andrew (03:13)

• Attacks on John Cornyn: Hosts critique Cornyn's performance, noting his lack of resonance with the current GOP base and an outdated political style.

  • "He’s a fossil. He mattered... 20 years ago." – Blake (29:15)

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2. The Critique of James "Tofu" Talarico

• Introduction of "Tofu Talarico": Hosts lampoon Talarico’s progressive stances, focus on gender ideology, and his framing of Christianity. Multiple derogatory nicknames are discussed ("Tal Freko," "soy boy," etc.).

  • "Tofu Talarico, as he will forever be known on this show… Tal Freko soy boy. But I like Tofu Talarico." – Andrew (03:13)

• Highlighted Ad – Mocking Talarico’s Quotes (04:26–05:15):

  • Talarico is shown as saying:
    • "Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity..."
    • "Sex is a spectrum… God is non-binary."
    • "There are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six."
    • "Our campaign has officially become a non-meat campaign."
  • "I am proud to say that our campaign has officially become a non-meat campaign. They're gonna call me a radical leftist, un-Texan, un-American, and bar none, the weirdest candidate for Senate the Lone Star State has ever seen." – Ad narrator quoting Talarico (05:03–05:15)

• Religion, Wokeness & "False Christianity":

  • Extended critique of Talarico’s attempts to reframe Christianity to justify abortion, support for transgender children, and interfaith universalism.
  • "This is a person who is lying about what Christianity teaches, what Christianity has always taught... That is a monstrous evil." – Blake (10:51)
  • "He comes in and he tells this lie and says, actually, Christians should support abortion. That is a monstrous evil." – Blake (10:51)

• Identity Discourse & Urban Change:

  • Criticisms of Talarico’s statements about his "whiteness" and "masculinity," as well as his assertion that there are "six biological sexes"—framed as out-of-touch with Texas values.
  • "I want us all to be aware of is that that modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six." – James Talarico (16:04)

• Warnings Against Underestimating Talarico:

  • Despite mocking him, hosts warn conservatives not to get complacent since similar "unthinkable" Democratic candidates have won elsewhere (e.g., Fetterman, Ossoff).
  • "We should laugh at him…but we do have to take this very seriously." – Blake (17:17)

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3. Broader Culture War Debates

• How to Judge a Candidate:

  • Segment debating David French’s critique that Republicans excuse immorality in candidates like Paxton while branding leftists as evil for progressive beliefs.
  • "If I, as a voter, am confronted with a binary choice between Ken Paxton...who supports my values… But he has… a few bumps along the road morally... And my other choice is Cornyn...or Talrico...which is the moral judgment that I am forced to make..." – Andrew (07:08)

• Paxton vs. Talarico as Moral Choice:

  • Strong assertion that "false Christianity" ascribed to Talarico is a greater moral threat than potential personal failings in conservative candidates.

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4. Demographic & Cultural Change Issues

• Islamic & Indian Immigration:

  • Guest Congressman Brandon Gill describes transformation of Texas towns due to immigration and cultural friction with new traditions (e.g., Diwali replacing Christmas tree).
  • "You've got entire cities...being transformed by mass Islamic migration...people say, my community, my. My country is being taken away from me, and again, they're sick of it." – Brandon Gill (21:29)

• Education System Critique:

  • Segment bemoaning grade inflation at Harvard and the collapse of meritocracy in CA public schools. Hosts call for return to standards and standardized testing.
  • "If there's a real expectation that you need to show mastery...if we don't have that, why are we spending billions of dollars on the school system at all? Just set up a bunch of daycares. Because that's all they are." – Blake (49:21)

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5. Fraud, Government Waste, and Administrative Focus

• Stephen Miller Interview on Fraud:

  • Miller argues America’s social safety net is being abused by immigrants and non-citizens, with potentially hundreds of billions in fraud; “the opportunity is extraordinary” to recoup funds.
  • "We could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out the treasury, went to individuals who were properly, lawfully, correctly eligible..." – Stephen Miller (32:07)

• Political Popularity of Tackling Fraud & Immigrant "Rackets":

  • Panel applauds administration’s focus on fraud as core political and policy issue, linking it to illegal immigration and American public disillusionment.

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6. Libertarian-Republican Tensions Post-Massie Loss

• Guest: Josie the Red Headed Libertarian (small-l) [56:30–74:23]

  • Discusses the difference between "small l" (constitutionalist, Ron/Rand Paul style) and "big L" Libertarian (party), expressing dismay at Thomas Massie’s defeat and warning about MAGA's eroding younger libertarian support.

  • Key Libertarian Concerns:

    • Anti-war, anti-foreign aid skepticism; disappointment over Trump’s moves that appear overly interventionist or aligned with war hawks.
    • Commitment to spending cuts, constitutional principles, and anti-corruption.

  • Impact of Massie Defeat:

    • Warning that demoralized libertarians and young voters may not turn out in future unless GOP bridges the gap and Trump "leaves Massie alone".
    • Coalition-building is essential (“Politics is about addition, not subtraction”).

  • "We don't go to the Democrat side, okay?...What happens is we were excited to vote for Trump...and now we're demoralized. Demoralized people don't vote." – Josie (60:18)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On James Talarico's "Gospel":

  • "I think of different religious traditions as different languages...I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us. But I also think that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways..." – James Talarico (12:20)

  • "Defending trans Texans is something we have to do every day at the state capitol, and you better believe I'll be giving sermons on that, too." – James Talarico (13:43)

  • "This man fears a mob of people on Blue sky vastly more than he fears God." – Blake (14:42)

• On Ken Paxton’s Moral Flaws:

  • "I'm not even making a values judgment on that necessarily...But Talrico, because he says it in a calm beta male voice..." – Andrew (07:08)

• On Demographic Change:

  • "We're not celebrating Christmas here. We're doing Diwali, but we're not doing Christmas. And...that's the kind of thing that really moves people." – Brandon Gill (21:29)

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Key Timestamps

• Paxton Victory Analysis: 01:31–03:57
• Introduction of Talarico "attack ad": 04:05–05:19
• Talarico audio clips/religious views: 04:26–16:04
• Islamic/Indian Immigration Concerns: 20:16–22:32
• Fraud in Social Programs—Stephen Miller: 32:07–35:08
• Education Standards/Culture: 46:44–52:41
• Libertarian-Republican Friction: 56:32–74:23 (Josie interview)

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Tone & Language

• The tone is unapologetically combative, sarcastic, and activist—directed at motivating conservative listeners and reinforcing culture war frames.
• Talarico is consistently derided with nicknames and portrayed as "weird," "radical," and "heretical"; Trump, Paxton, and MAGA populists are lionized.
• Discussions about libertarianism highlight a desire for “big tent” coalition while warning of the risks of alienating constitutionalist anti-war voters.

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Summary Takeaways

• Texas’s Senate primary is cast as a decisive win for grassroots/MAGA and a rejection of establishment politics and leftist ideology.
• James Talarico is targeted as a "false Christian" advancing progressive change that the hosts claim distorts tradition, gender, and faith.
• Cultural and demographic change, especially through immigration and woke education, are presented as existential issues.
• Libertarian-conservative relations are strained post-Massie, with warnings that alienation could cost the right youthful, idealistic support—unless the coalition is broadened and antiwar, anti-spending concerns are addressed.

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This summary attempts to provide a faithful, detailed encapsulation in the speakers' own language and tone, focusing on the core arguments, memorable quotes, and structural flow of the episode for listeners who wish to engage with the substance without sitting through the full broadcast.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Use me.

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[Andrew]

all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is May 27th. Man, this month has flown by. We're here at the Y Refi Studios. How are we doing, Blake?

[Blake]

We're doing. We're doing great. It was a somewhat. Somewhat boring evening last night.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, you know, that's what happens when we are proven correct. I mean, not to toot our own horn too much here, but it's a base turnout operation. That is what the midterms are. President Trump got behind the bases candidate and grassroots candidate. Turning Point Action was one of the first groups to endorse Ken Paxton, and it was a complete MAGA landslide. It really was. So happy third anniversary of his impeachment to Ken Paxton. Total vindication. I mean, what was the final tally here?

[Blake]

It ended up. I mean, what's incredible is John Cornyn did a lot worse in round two than he did in round one. In round one, he won the first round, 42% overall. He needed 50. So it went to a runoff, and in that runoff, he only got 36% of the vote.

[Andrew]

It was nearly a 30 point win, basically.

[Blake]

Yeah, it was like 27%, 63.8 to 36.2. That is. That is getting routed. It looks like Cornyn won exactly two counties in the whole state.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And it was Austin. They thought he was going to win Dallas, but he didn't. And then they thought Austin ended up holding on. And then there was one tiny little

[Blake]

county, one of the.1 of the border

[Andrew]

area, they reported like 14 votes.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, pretty. It was a. It's a very heavily Democrat registered county,

[Andrew]

so an absolute route. And again, on the third anniversary of being impeached, Ken Paxton experiences total vindication in this runoff with Cornyn. But here's the interesting part. Blake and I were observing that there was over 2 million votes cast in the original primary. In the runoff it was 1.3. Yeah.

[Blake]

I mean if you.

[Andrew]

Extremely low turnout, which is what we said was gonna happen. So your vote in the base had a much bigger impact. Now why is that important? Because as I said, this is a base turnout operations. The midterms, you're not gonna have President Trump on the ballot. So you gotta get your diehards out. You gotta give them a reason to get to the polls. That reason is Ken Paxton. Now why do I bring up the impeachment? Because that is already. We saw it from Cornyn and now we see it from. From Talarico. Tofu Talarico, as he will forever be known on this show. There's a lot of great nicknames being floated around by the way. Tal Freko soy boy. But I like Tofu talarico.

[Blake]

Maybe like 20 genders.

[Andrew]

Talarico, I think he's a six gender guy.

[Blake]

I think he said there's like an infinite number of sexes or something like that. Some very large non.

[Andrew]

Everything in between. Okay, so here, here's what we're. We're already seeing the attack lines drawn. It is pretty obvious, but the. I will tell you, the Republicans have a ton of ammunition against this guy. Let's just see. This is a taste. The first attack ad going against tofu tallarico sat 17.

[James Talarico]

Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity. And it's a painful process. Sex is a spectrum and oftentimes it can be very ambiguous. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non binary.

[Andrew]

Straight from Revelations in the woke James Bible.

[James Talarico]

I want us all to be aware that there are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. Now, existential that we try to reduce our meat consumption. That's the right thing to do and the moral thing to do.

[Andrew]

The eleventh commandment.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thou shalt not smile.

[James Talarico]

Smoke, brisket. I am proud to say that our campaign has officially become a non meat campaign. They're gonna call me a radical leftist. Untexan, un American, and bar none, the

[Alex Marlow]

weirdest candidate for Senate the Lone Star State has ever seen.

[Blake]

I Wonder what narrator they got for that. It makes me think of when I was a kid in the 90s, they'd have these kids movies and the narrator sounds almost exactly the same. It's pretty funny.

[Andrew]

I mean, it's a pretty spot, spot on ad. I just have to say, the guy is objectively very weird. And even Democrats are acknowledging this. Like we're seeing CNN commentators say he's vulnerable because this. I mean, listen, Texas is not what it once was. Admittedly, there's been a lot of people flooding into the state, but there's still a lot of fighting that dog. And I mean, thou shalt not smoke brisket. That's a good line because you don't mess with Texans and their meat. You just don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

But.

[Andrew]

And the guy is wearing a mask at every other clip. And he's a state that has changed a lot.

[Blake]

We should not be arrogant because we've been through a few races where they've said, oh, this state will never elect xyz. And we kind of lucked out with Pennsylvania where we said they'd never elect Fetterman, and they did. And Fetterman ended up not being so

[Andrew]

bad, got a stroke and then he got better.

[Blake]

Yeah, exactly. But, you know, Talarico seems like a young guy. I don't. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will get elected and then suddenly get amnesia on all the

[Andrew]

gen. Is the manifestation of what happens to an otherwise, like, kind of normal guy when he goes through the woke indoctrination regimen that the left wants for all American males. You come out spineless, your masculinity is shriveled on the vine. Like, you can't fight anybody. You couldn't defend a home. You end up twisting yourself into ideological knots to justify the most heinous things, including abortion, the training of kids, all of this stuff. And this, to me, is the heart of the argument, because you've got David French here. We've got this tweet. He said, can we be done with the pretense that Republican primary voters vote for MAGA candidates in spite of their apostasy and corruption? Obviously, he's talking about Ken Paxton. The Transgressions is a feature, not a bug. It tells voters they don't care about law or morality, only power. So here's my question for you, David French. If I, as a voter, am confronted with a binary choice between Ken Paxton, who supports my values, supports a closed border, who's tough on crime and all those things, supports traditional values and will vote to support those. But he has, let's just say, a few bumps along the road morally. I'm not even making a values judgment on that necessarily, or saying it's right or wrong or saying that it's true or false. I'm just saying let's assume it is for a second. And my other choice is Cornyn, who wants to flood the country, who is pro amnesty, or Tal Rico, who wants to trans kids, wants to justify abortion, who wants to make a third world hellhole out of Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, which is the moral judgment that I am forced to make if you're going to tell me that Ken Paxton is somehow morally untoward. But Talrico, because he says it in a calm, beta male voice, let's remember

[Blake]

David French basically called James Talarico, I believe, the truest Christian in American politics right now.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, and that is Frenchian. That is a French way to do it.

[Blake]

And it's very revolting. It's very disturbing because it's not like. Like Talarico really has made the whole I'm super Christian, aspiring minister sort of Persona a big part of his appeal. And the Bible has some very explicit words about what should happen to those who want to harm children, which he wants to. He's the guy who goes on podcasts and says, what do I love most? Trans children. That's what I love.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

The Bible has very specific words for that sort of person.

[Andrew]

I mean, this is just wild. Like, he. I mean, we're running out of time here, but this is play sock 20

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

something that you love that's not family or friends.

[Andrew]

I love.

[James Talarico]

I'm just saying this because it's on my mind. The trans children who showed up yesterday at the state Capitol to advocate for their humanity, they shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch.

[Andrew]

The first thing he says he loves is transgender. Okay. He's just strange, you know, and you might think that this sounds mean, and I don't mean to be mean, but I just mean to be honest with you, and I think that's what the audience needs. They need to understand. I'm not trying to be, you know, sling pejoratives at him. It's just. It needs to be said. I am this. Well, Blake has his own. His own approach here, but let's just play like this is him justifying the murder of babies. This is serious stuff. Sat 19.

[James Talarico]

But I say all this in terms of. In context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary and. And we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent. And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done. Let it be, let it happen. So to me, that is a, an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent. You cannot force someone to create. Creation is one of the most sacred acts that, that, that we engage in as human beings. But that has to be done with consent. It has to be done with freedom. And so that's why I, that's how I come down on that side of the issue.

[Blake]

You see, this just is vastly more bothersome than if you just have some atheist Marxist come out and they say we love abortion because we're materialists and all of that. Very evil, very wrong. But you kind of know what you're getting with the territory. This is a person who is lying about what Christianity teaches, what Christianity has always taught the earliest Christians. If you go read the Didache from the first century where Christians are telling each other, here's what we believe, they condemn abortion. And he comes in and he tells this lie and says, actually, Christians should support abortion. That is a monstrous evil.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's twisting scripture to suit your itching ears and whatever you want to hear. And the other thing to your point, Blake, you're right about the Roman Empire. Infanticide was rampant within the Roman Empire. Why did that stop? It was because Christians stopped it. They used to just leave babies out to exposure to kill babies. And the Christians stopped it. They would save these babies. And ultimately the Christianization of the Roman Empire, the practice stopped it.

[Blake]

A Roman man would not have a child. He would accept a child that his wife would give birth to it. And he had the choice. He could say, kill it right now or we can raise it. And that was the choice he was allowed to make. 100% legal.

[Andrew]

Well, and he's even chipping away at the exclusivity claims of Jesus Christ. I am the way, the truth and the life. No one will come to the father except through me. Well, that we have in scripture. Right. But James Talrico doesn't believe that. Here's him talking about all the religions of love lead to truth.

[James Talarico]

18 if Christianity points to the truth, I also think other religions of love point to the same truth. I think of different religious traditions as different languages. So you and I could sit here and debate what to call this cup. And you could call it a cup in English, you'd call it something else in Spanish and French, but we are all talking about the same reality. I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us. But I also think that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways and with their own symbol structures. And I've learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism. And so I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about the cosmos, and that truth is inherently a mystery.

[Andrew]

I do not consider Islam a religion of love. I believe it's a conquering political ideology that has a backdrop and an foundation that is considered a religion. But I don't believe it's true. I don't believe it points to the truth. The fact that he does is extraordinarily troublesome. And I would agree with Blake that it's evil to be twisting scriptures like this. Let's just keep going. Here's him giving a sermon about abortion again, and he's got a really like. And trans. He's really obsessed with these two topics. Soc 24.

[James Talarico]

Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care, too. Defending trans Texans is something we have to do every day at the state capitol, and you better believe I'll be giving sermons on that, too. So when I use the word woman, it should not be understood as an exhaustive term, but rather as a. As a lens through which to understand, examine, and interrogate patriarchy.

[Blake]

Our trans community needs abortion care.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And do you hear that? That. That other part, like, I sort of skimmed over, but it's like. You should not hear women as an exhaustive term. It's a. It's a lens. Women. Do you feel like you're a lens through which to view your existence through, or are you just a woman? Are you an ex? Ex? Did God make you a woman or a man? Like, this is terrifying stuff. This is what I mean when I say he is a manifestation of. Of everything the left wants indoctrinated in one brain of an otherwise normal person.

[Blake]

This man fears a mob of people on Blue sky vastly more than he fears God.

[Andrew]

Mm, that's well said. Yeah. It keeps going, folks. We've got more. There's so many clips of James Talrico basically mask off, even though he loves wearing a mask, telling you exactly who he is. And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when somebody shows you who they are, believe them.

[James Talarico]

Sat 25 I often think when reclaiming symbols, I think about the American flag. I think the Confederate flag is a symbol of treason and terrorism. But the American flag is such a complicated symbol for most of us and in many Ways like Jesus, like the cross, it's been co opted and. And in some ways its true meaning has been betrayed.

[Andrew]

Okay, so the flag's a problem too. Okay, gotcha. And also he has to reckon with his own whiteness. 29.

[James Talarico]

For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego. It's a never ending process and it's a painful process.

[Andrew]

And then there's back to the gender thing. How many genders are there, James? He's not sure. Or Maybe he is SOT 30.

[James Talarico]

I want us all to be aware of is that that modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six.

[Andrew]

Oh, there's six. Why stop at six?

[Blake]

We can laugh at this guy all we want, but we should have. You know, this guy is. Every time, it seems, every cycle, there's someone running in Texas. And Democrats make him the mascot of their entire campaign. That year they got really into Beto O' Rourke in 2018. They were really obsessed with what's her name, the woman who ran for governor because she stood up for abortion rights for six hours straight or whatever it was, forgot her name because she ran and she got killed, which was good. But they're going to invest a huge amount of money in this. They know that this is an opportunity for them to pick it up. Texas is a red state. It's consistently voted Republican, but it's one of the shakiest red states overall. President Trump won it big in this last election, but he won it by less than 2020 and 2016. They will spend tens, hundreds of millions of dollars on this race. They would love to humiliate us. So we should laugh at him because he is a laughable and pathetic figure. But we do have to take this very seriously.

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[Andrew]

Here to help us celebrate and make sense of what happened in Texas last night is rising star Congressman Brandon Gill. Welcome back to the show, Brandon. Good to see you. Tell us what you make of it, of that absolute route in the Senate, but there's other races we want to talk about as well.

[Brandon Gill]

Yeah, I mean, last night was a phenomenal night for patriots who are looking to take their country back. I mean, I think that that Ken Paxton result, where he won by 28 points, sent a very clear message to Washington, which is that the people of Texas and I think the people across the country are looking for somebody who's going to fight for him, who's going to stand up for him, who wants secure borders, who's going to fight to actually get the Save America act across the finish line. And that's exactly what they're going to get with Ken Paxton. It's also a clear repudiation, I think, in many ways of, of amnesty that was a big issue in this primary cycle. And GOP voters said very clearly we will not tolerate amnesty. And I think that's something we ought to remember going forward.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I completely agree. You know, what's interesting about it as well is that, you know, you could see that Senator Cornyn was starting to experience, you know, he could sense where the wind was blowing. And he ends up putting out ads about Islam, which was new for him. I'm curious, just the feel on the ground in Texas, how Big of an issue is the Islam topic.

[Brandon Gill]

I mean, this is one of the top issues that I hear on the ground from, from my constituents all the time. Every time I do an event where I meet and take questions from constituents, which is pretty often I get a question on Islam, and it's usually one of the first ones. The reality is, especially in the DFW metroplex, which is near where my district is, is you've got entire cities, entire communities that are being transformed by mass Islamic migration. You've got mosques that are popping up all over the metroplex, and the people of Texas are tired of it. They're tired of seeing their hometowns being culturally transformed, and they want somebody who's going to stand up to it.

[Andrew]

And there's also, especially in the metroplex, tons of Indian immigrants as well. Is that also a topic top of mind?

[Brandon Gill]

Oh, I hear about H1BS all the time. And it's this a similar issue where you see our communities are being fundamentally transformed. I, I had a mayor in my district, and I won't. I won't say which town or, or which mayor who told me that he's had a. A massive influx of. Of people coming in on H1B visas. And he said, in, in one of the neighborhoods there, they typically have a Christmas tree where they celebrate Christmas, you know, as sort of a neighborhood, as, As a community. And so many of these people came into that community, they became a majority, and they went up to them and they said, we're. We're not celebrating Christmas here. We're doing Diwali, but we're not doing Christmas. And he said, we've done Christmas every single year. We want to continue this tradition of the town. And they said, well, there's more of us than there are of you, and we don't want Christmas anymore. And that's the kind of thing that really moves people, that people say, my community, my. My country is being taken away from me, and again, they're sick of it.

[Andrew]

So I wanna address this issue. And you can already see Talrico saying, it's the people versus Ken Paxton. You saw the corn and smears attacking his character, corruption, whatever, moral failures or whatever. What is your reaction? David French, we showed his tweet earlier talking about, essentially, can we just get rid of the pretense that we care about somebody's morality? Like the corruption is a feature, not a bug. What do you say to those people that are attacking Ken Paxton's character like this?

[Brandon Gill]

I would say I'd like to better understand how you can possibly look at somebody who is so obsessed with transgender children, who will take scripture and contort it in the most demonic and perverse ways to suggest that the Bible is somehow a pro abortion document, that Mary actually gave consent to have to birth the son of God, and how that is evidence that the Bible supports abortion and is pro choice. I mean, that is so far out there. I'd like to hear them explain what the type of integrity or lack of integrity that's needed to have those sorts of views. You know, you can look at this and you can, you can, you can say, well, we're tired of scandals. We're tired of this. Well, I'm tired of having teachers tell young children that they're born in the wrong body. I'm tired of having politicians like James Talarico who say that our southern border should have a welcome mat on it. I'm tired of freaks and lunatics like Talarico who are trying to tell us that there are six different sexes, which he said. And I'd love to hear him explain, by the way, what the other four sexes are. I think the people of Texas would like to hear, too. Integrity means also having, not contorting scripture and living in reality. And Talarico certainly does not.

[Andrew]

So I want to go to. I completely agree, by the way, and I think that was really well said. We been longtime friends with Chip Roy. Chip Roy lost last night to Ma Middleton. What's the, what's the takeaway from that race?

[Brandon Gill]

Well, I, you know, Chip, both Chip and Maze are good friends of mine, and they're, they're both very conservative. And I think, you know, whenever I looked at that race, you know, my, my big takeaway was we've done pretty well in the gop, at least in this race, to have two phenomenal candidates there to, to choose from. But the reality, I, I would say is that President Trump is the leader of the party and his endorsement means more than anything else. But also the, the people of Texas are looking for somebody who they can really believe is, is going to be with the president all the time. And that was a, a key issue in, in that race. So listen, again, I think that both of those candidates are really good. I, I have a, an enormous amount of respect for Chip Roy. He's somebody who has fought very hard in Congress for conservative values. And he's somebody, by the way, who doesn't just fight in front of the camera, but who goes to the mat whenever the cameras are all gone, behind the scenes, whenever nobody can see it. And he is somebody who I think is going to be doing, is going to stick around and we'll probably hear a lot more from. And I think that's a good thing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think that's a good thing as well. I think Chip's a man of integrity and I think ultimately, you know, he had some dust ups with the president in the past and that was used against him. But I mean, you know, Chip's a great guy and we wish him well. And I hope you're right. I hope we get to see more of Chip in the future because he is a fighter and he's a man of integrity. So I think one of the risks here is that one we take Talrico too softly because he's so weird to us. Right. But there's a lot of normies out there that just look at him and his golly g shucks kind of Persona, people.

[Blake]

We were laughing at Ossoff when he first came on the political scene. And now he's a senator from Georgia

[Andrew]

and he's, you know, favored to retain his seat. I hope that's wrong. I would also say that the other, you know, I actually believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement. So I think while the Trump endorsement is powerful, there's no doubt. I think that just that's what led to this landslide. Right. It just kind of, it kind of pushed it way over the edge here. But I think there's a critical component here. If you look at South Carolina, I'm not asking you to delve into controversial topics. So Lindsey Graham, he's got the Trump endorsement, but, man, if I'm Lindsey Graham, I am, in the words of Jeremy Carl, sweating bullets today because the base has an instinct of who actually represents the America first principles that we all ascribe to and espouse. And they can smell a fraud. Right. So I think we could take the takeaways in the wrong direction here. Yes, the Trump endorsement is powerful, but I mean, Paxton and Cornyn, there was really no choice for a base conservative. Right. And the base will come out if you give them a reason to in midterms. So the question then to you, Congressman, is what are the key takeaways here? You mentioned amnesty. What else?

[Brandon Gill]

I think somebody who does the same thing behind closed doors that they talk about publicly. I'll give you an example. Is the Save America act sort of related to the immigration debate? But this is something that we've known for a very long time. The only way realistically to get the Save America act across the finish line is for the Senate to utilize a talking filibuster. And if you're going to support the Save America act, but not support a talking filibuster both publicly and behind closed doors, that's not good enough anymore. And I don't think that the people of Texas are. Are looking for that type of leadership. They want somebody who's going to get it done. And that was a big issue in this election cycle. In fact, I think at one point, Ken Paxton had mentioned he would drop out of the race. Senate leadership would get the set, would get the Save America act so smart passed. And that's something that voters look to. And they said, that is leadership. That's somebody who's fighting for me, and that's what they're drawn towards. So I think it's an amnesty. It's the Save America Act. And it's also people just recognizing and feeling comfortable that the representative that they're sending to Washington is somebody who's looking out for them and not looking out for Washington, D.C. or foreigners or anybody else.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well. And they make. And I actually, I might take some heat for this, but I don't think Cornyn is a bad guy. I think he just has bad ideas. And I think, you know, he's just out of step with where the base is at and where the party is at.

[Blake]

He's a fossil. He mattered. He was with the party 20 years ago. It's 20 years later.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it is. Congressman, you are with the party where it's at now, and, you know, we have your back and we expect and hope for great things from you. And so thank you for making the time and coming in and chiming in. It's important that we take the right lessons out of last night, but either way you slice it, it was a magnificent result. So God bless you, man. We'll. We'll see you soon.

[Alex Marlow]

Awesome.

[Brandon Gill]

Thanks for having me.

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[Andrew]

so there's so much to get to. So President Trump is holding a Cabinet meeting right now at the White House. Lots of clips coming through that basically fraud is on the top of this administration's to do list and the top of their mind, which I love. So we'll get some clips on that. Also, AOC is wearing a hijab in front of Mamdani, which is that was,

[Blake]

that was yesterday, but nonetheless very iconic. Yes.

[Andrew]

But I want to zero in on this fraud thing because I think it's one of the best things this administration is doing, especially when you talk about there's people in the base or in the movement that are frustrated about Iran or what have you. Remember, there is a lot of firepower being aimed right here, addressing issues right here at home like fraud. And this clip ended up kind of making the rounds yesterday. I posted it as well. This is Stephen Miller talking about just how widespread the fraud really is. Pay attention to everything he says here because if it's Even somewhat true, 50% true, the opportunity is extraordinary. Sat 3 Fraud is every bit as

[Stephen Miller]

bad as President Trump said it was. And even worse, all of the systems in our country were set up based on the honor system. They're set up based on the idea that you could trust the average person through their own morality to abide by the rules and comply with the law. We became a society, as you've seen, with the Somali refugee problem in Minnesota, where you have a large number of people that are not following the honor system. They're not playing by the rules, they're not abiding by our laws, and the amount that has been fleeced from us is in the hundreds of billions of dollars. I believe, based on what I've seen and what I've heard, is that we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out the treasury, went to individuals who were properly, lawfully, correctly eligible to receive them.

[Andrew]

So just making sure you heard that last line again. That was from yesterday. It's not the Cabinet meeting, but he said that he believes from what he's seen and what he's heard, that we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out of the treasury went to individuals who properly, lawfully and correctly eligible to receive them. Now, I don't know if that's 100% true, but it's directionally true. And that means that we owe it to American taxpayers to make sure that we are being extraordinarily detailed and precise and holding accountable to fraudsters, but also making sure the dollars that leave the treasury are going to people that actually deserve them and are eligible for them. Because if you can come close to balancing the federal budget, that would be an extraordinary achievement. Now, we're not nearly there yet. We're at the tip of the iceberg stage. But they are taking this issue extraordinarily seriously. And I think one of the reasons is because it's extraordinarily politically popular, and it should be. This is not one of those issues that we're used to vice presidents getting these pet projects, border czar Kamala Harris, and doing absolutely nothing with them. Instead, the vice president is on this like white on rice, and I'm here for it. Yesterday he announced this bipartisan effort working with state AGs, and he even had the AGs of Oregon and Connecticut present. That's a good sign. That's a good sign.

[JD]

One of the things we've realized in combating fraud is that the resources of the federal government, while vast, can be supplemented and aided by a lot of the people who know best what's happening in their states, which is the attorney general represented here today. And they have a lot of legal resources, they have a lot of prosecutorial resources, and of course, they have the desire to prevent fraud as much as we do. And so I appreciate these leaders for being here because we're going to work together, state and federal government to try to combat fraud. I'm particularly gratified here that this is not a partisan effort. I believe we have a couple of representatives from the attorney generals in Connecticut and Oregon. And as I've said repeatedly, this is not. This should not be a partisan effort. Everybody should care about fraud. Everybody should care about rooting out fraud. Everybody should care about saving the American taxpayers money.

[Blake]

He's very charitable. Because I'm not sure that if you go to California that they do care that much about rooting out fraud. I think they've created very successful systems of we'll look the other way on fraud. And in return, you keep getting your, for example, your union Voters electing us, you can definitely. Or your community members voting to elect us in blocks. You can very much get a self sustaining system. And especially with something like Medicaid, most of the money is federal dollars. So you just have. It's classic moral hazard where if the state is overseeing the program, but it's federal money that's actually paying for it, they just, they're just naturally not going to care about it nearly as much. And we really need to restore that aspect of it because it's a lot more than just the raw dollar amounts here. The raw dollar amounts are vast. Those matter. But on top of that, this is, this is driving so much illegal immigration because they say, come here, we'll have a whole racket set up where you can set up this business. We'll get a ton of money. In fact, the more people we bring in, the more money we can get. So it's driving a ton of the immigration. It's driving, I think the general. For example, we've talked about the bad vibes over America where young people are dispirited. They feel this way because they can see these newly arrived immigrant groups scamming the system, getting away with it, going almost totally unpunished. And they think the system is rigged, it's rigged against me. I'm being denied opportunities. So scammers can get this. And if you visibly smash these people to bits, send them to prison for a decade, two decades, and then deport them and deport them, revoke their citizenship if you can, they will feel much better about their country. They'll feel like they have a country and a government that looks out for them, which we used to have in America. Americans used to think their government was competent and cared about them. And they don't think that anymore. And they think that for a very good reason.

[Andrew]

Yep. Here's JD talking about how big the problem he thinks is. South 34.

[JD]

We expect that there are tens of thousands of people who are collecting fraudulent money to take care of people and they're not actually taking care of them. We're of course going to get to the root of as much of it as we can.

[Andrew]

That is, of course, the hospice racket. New York and California and Washington, Maine. We're looking at you

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[Andrew]

we have one of the most competent, insightful political analyst in the country joining us now. And that of course is Alex Marlowe, editor in chief of Breitbart and also host of the Alex Marlow Show. Alex, welcome back, my friend. Good to see you.

[Alex Marlow]

Great day to be on, Andrew. Thank you, Blake. Nice to see you.

[Andrew]

It was a MAGA landslide. I think it's safe to say that sometimes you can make too much of the MAGA versus America. First of it all, it was a MAGA landslide last night. We've got a lot to get into with you, Alex, but gotta start there because it's the number one story in the country today. What are the right takeaways from last night and what would be the wrong takeaways from last night?

[Alex Marlow]

So I think the right one is what you said. Trump's in command of the party. The Trump endorsement certainly sealed the deal. But I think looking at the margin, there are people who are asking me, who are pretty knowledgeable, Andrew, they pay attention to this stuff. They were asking me pretty late in the day yesterday, does Cornyn actually have a chance? I said, hell no, he absolutely does not. He's going to lose by lot. I, uh, and I think part of it is because the base is so much smarter than people give them credit for. And this is something that I learned very early at Breitbart News. I remember I started Breitbart, first employee, so almost 18 years ago. It's a. The audience is super smart. They know who's real and who's fake. I think we saw that last week with Massie. Too many people started to think he was fake. People know Ken Paxton is the real deal and John Cornyn is not. Ken Paxton is a fighter. He is pursued. He has pushed the agenda. He's a thermostat he is not a thermometer. He is someone who adjusts the temperature. Gone after Netflix, gone after Meta, gone after Google, gone after Pharma. A great guy on the border, great guy in guns, but he's a really savvy politician and we talked about this, I think, last time we were on. But the way he got Trump's endorsement by backing Corn into a corner and saying, you get the save act done and I'll drop out. Cornyn couldn't pull that off. That got the Trump endorsement. Totally genius. He's going to crush Talarico and we're going to be celebrating in November.

[Andrew]

So Talarika, we had a lot of fun destroying him in hour one, honestly, as you know, he is a heretic, actually, which I don't lightly, but he, I mean, I just don't. I've been wrestling with, you know. Okay, put it this way. I don't like to, I don't know, basically ascribe motive to certain things. I don't like to ascribe malice to certain things if I don't know for sure. I cannot watch those clips in quick succession like we did in hour one, and not conclude fundamentally that he is a heretic. Do you agree? Am I being too harsh?

[Alex Marlow]

No, I think you're being right. And I found a new data point while I was going through my show earlier today because I was playing, of course, the clip that we've all played before of him using the Bible and the story, the Virgin Mary in particular, to justify abortion, which already is pretty demonic in and of itself. But there was another thing where he was talking about his vegan campaign and he was saying he doesn't want a vegan campaign, not because he doesn't believe in animal cruelty, but because he believes it's climate change. And I was just starting to think about, like, wait a minute, there was actually a chance for him to maybe draw on biblical principles to try to force some sort of strained left wing agenda. And he really made it about the climate. He made about the false pagan God of climate change. And it makes you think that he really, truly is just a manipulator. And I don't think Texans are gonna have any tolerance for this stuff. A guy who thumps the Bible to push a left wing agenda, but then doesn't seem to actually understand the key tenets of Christianity itself. I think this is really going to come out over the next few months.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I completely agree. And he's just such a beta. Can we. Do we have that, that side by Side between Beto and Talrico. We have that. Right, guys, there it is. He's even doing the stand. He's doing the like, same pose. But I think Beto was a better candidate, honestly. He had like a. Something like. I'll give him that. Right. He was the fake Hispanic Irishman named Beto.

[Blake]

I mean, it was just so perfect that we have this 100% Anglo background guy. Robert Francis O' Rourke goes by Beto running against, you know, Raphael Cruz goes by Ted. I just think that perfectly captures the two parties.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So, you know, I see a lot of people. I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked Brandon Gill in hour one. Yeah. So a lot has been made about the moral, quote, unquote, moral failings of Ken Paxton. And you got David French excoriating him and saying conservatives don't care about the morality of their elected leaders. What do you make with those attacks? Because that's the same attack line that John Cornyn took. It's gonna be the same attack line that Talarico takes. What's your answer to that?

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah, I think there's probably some stuff, if you really want to parse through Paxton's history that's imperfect, but you can do the same with so many people, Donald Trump being one of them. And I think ultimately, a lot of people who are going to be voting, they're going to be looking at the future. And do you want to have a guy who is this Beta Breitbart? This is. I don't think I've ever said this specifically, but we've stylized it. Now my newsroom has permission not to capitalize the T in Talarico. It can be low tick all the time. They can always use loti. They're free to do that. That is site style. So the news here on the show that you guys can hear about, it's the. I think that people are willing to forgive Paxton for any passage, which I got to be honest with you, I haven't gone through them to the extent where I know if the court of public opinion has been accurate in them convicting him of this stuff. But I do think that when he gets to Washington, he's going to be a leader. He's going to fight the bad guys, he's going to fight the corporations, he's going to fight the establishment. And I just think the voter base of Texas is going to be very excited for that by November.

[Andrew]

I mean, I believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement. I really. I believe that. Do you Agree. And what, what does that mean, if true?

[Alex Marlow]

I think he probably would have if Trump did not endorse. And I got to think a little harder about it. If Trump chose to endorse Cornyn, could he have overcome it? And I do think there is a possibility, which is why your question is so interesting, because, again, I think that people are so fed up with the fact that Cor Cornyn, 24 years in the Senate and can't point to a single accomplishment, and none of you can. There's none of you in the audience who can think of one thing. Please look me up on Ask the Everything app. DM me if there's something that Cornyn did.

[Andrew]

I got one that.

[Alex Marlow]

Okay, go ahead.

[Andrew]

He raised $400 million for the Senate and then he spent 150 on his own race.

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And might as well have lit it on fire.

[Alex Marlow]

Do you want to know something, Andrew? I bet you John Cornyn knows that. I bet you if you ask John Cornyn what's your favorite thing, he probably say, yeah, I probably could have done more with my time. Quarter century. So it's the, if you pin him in private. And I think that's the main thing that's at work here. I think the audience gets it. People are dialed in now. People are smart. People pay attention, and I think they understand that. So I do think Trump's values are in command, and I think that's very good. I think Trump's mosaic, where he picks and chooses the best ideas from Democrats of yesteryear, from popular, less, and even occasionally the establishment. He seemed to take everyone's best ideas. I think that's the ascendant political worldview right now on the right.

[Blake]

So I want to flag something that Talarico, he said, I want to thank, he said this last night as the results came in. I want to thank Senator John Cornyn for his years representing our state. We don't agree on everything, but we still believe in public service to Senator Cornyn supporters. You have a place in our campaign. Is this going to work on anyone?

[Andrew]

That's awful.

[Blake]

Who are these?

[Alex Marlow]

I don't think so. I, I think Cornyn already said he's going to support the Republican ticket. I, I think that's what Corn. So it's the, So I, I, it's just so lame. It's. And again, tell Rico doesn't stand for anything. What does he stand for? It's, this is the whole point. This is the Democrats the elephant in the room. They've got the weirdest people imaginable. They got Hassan Piker, Graham Platner, James Talarico. That's the face of the party. And what do they stand for calling people like me and you racist. They can't disavow their streak of political violence. It is really gonna be a tough slog for them. They've got a map that could maybe save them. And maybe some of Trump's policies are not totally popular yet, but overall they are really putting together a pretty lame slate for a midterm year.

[Andrew]

Don't forget that James Talarico was front and center when all the Democrats fled Texas to avoid getting arrested. I mean he was like, he was out front. I mean he was leading that charge and it was total lawlessness and chaos. So, Alex, something near and dear to our heart here on the show, because it was close to Charlie's heart, is higher education. And we got to destroy and crush the college cabal. Make it better actually. Right. We actually love learning here. We don't like wokeness, we don't like exorbitant costs that push off family formation and home buying and the American dream. But two interesting stories that I just happened to notice and they seem connected. One is at Harvard University, the faculty is demanding a return to a, I guess courses will limit A grades to only 20% of enrollment. So over the last two decades, Alex, at Harvard, A grades had ballooned to about 60% of students. They were getting as total grade inflation 20 years ago was only 25%. Now they're demanding it go back to 20%. Meanwhile in California, near and dear to your heart, Alex, the UC faculty is demanding a return to standardized test scores because it has become so bad, especially in STEM fields, that they are having to return to teaching middle school math to some of the enrollees. Your take?

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah, I think this all starts with the teachers unions. This has been the original sin of America's failing education system which are essentially just vehicles for Democrat left wing politics. Try to woke fire schools. They've ruined our primary and secondary schools. And I think that's part of the problem that gets up to the universities. Federal government, of course, has ruined the universities in many ways by allowing these loans which have just been slush funds for the universities. So students borrow on the cheap and it just all goes to these universities, makes them all fat and happy. There's no diversity there. So as Charlie wrote better than anyone, I mean, this is a completely broken system and there's really not a lot of hope that things could fix it. This is probably good starts, but they're not going to call out the real problems. They're not going to say the unions need to get out of the way in the public schools and we need to start having excellence. We need to start demanding parents step up and work more with their kids, their students, so that there's a higher demand on excellence at a younger age. None of that stuff's going to make it all the way down to the families and the communities. But it is at least nice to acknowledge that perhaps under left wing guidance, our schools have just failed. They just crashed.

[Blake]

Well, it's just we basically did three decades worth of institutional destruction in the course of one or two years, circa 2020. We had the abolish the police virus, which a lot of people remember, which manifested not just in terms of cutting police officers, but making it harder for them to do their job, telling them don't enforce certain laws. And so we had a surge of murders, a surge of thefts, a surge of car crashes. That's underappreciated. And the school version of this is in a matter of weeks. You just had this cascade of schools saying we're going to get rid of not just standardized tests, but a lot of them gutted the integrity of their classes, where you can get infinite accommodations for your finals, you maybe don't need to take a final at all. You can retake assignments over and over again. And this also infests lower levels of school. And we've just totally gotten away from what is frankly an obvious fact, which is you can't measure any form of ability or knowledge acquisition unless it's possible to fail. And if there's a real expectation that you need to show mastery. And if we don't have that, why do we even. Why are we spending billions of dollars on the school system at all? Just set up a bunch of daycares. Because that's all they are.

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah, that's what they are. So it's really. When we got away from any sort of a standard, when we got away from. We're trying to have it be a meritocratic education system. Once we opened that up, once it became a slippery slope that was inevitably we were going to prioritize things like diversity and wokeness and the priorities of the people who funneled the most money into the system, like the universities. And that's just what it became. It just. These schools are just incubators for the dumbest ideas on the planet, as Charlie often would point out. And they're not really. If they're not even a semblance of what they could have been. Should we start valuing merit again?

[Andrew]

Well, you know, it's interesting here. I actually look at this as like a broader cultural trend. And so I'll direct my remarks to the accelerationists, the burn it all down people. Let's just let Democrats take control so we can create a Republican Party more in our image, okay? This is all about a concept of headship, okay? When at the top of your culture, your family, your business, your country, you have a strong leader that demands change and transformation and getting back to things like meritocracy, the abolishment of DEI that tends to filter down even when they fight you, right? So you got lawsuits against Harvard, you got lawsuits against Columbia, you got lawsuits against California schools. Eventually that headship starts to filter down throughout the rest of your culture. And you're seeing that in higher education. As the vibe shift happens, as the. The feelings towards meritocracy shift, and as we sort of get past some of these dumber ideas of the woke, you're seeing this transformation which can ultimately have a profound transformational effect on your entire culture. You're seeing this in higher education. Now, if you go back to the 1930s, for example, there's a little known story about the NYPD where they had standardized civic service exams. Blake might know this too.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah. So this is the infamous the test where they just said it was the Great Depression, and they just said, well, we need to hire some people, just give a test. Basically just an IQ test. Hire the best performers, only the best performers, no other rules, no other standards. And of course, this was the greatest hiring class in nypd.

[Andrew]

The greatest hiring class ever. They called it a class of geniuses. And these people were all promoted to higher ranks. Crime dropped like a rock. It was absolute, pure meritocracy distilled down at the most basic local civic level. And guess what? The results were magnificent. We could see that across the country if we just got back to super simple standard things like, oh, standardized test scores in higher education. We see this again. And Alex, I'm trying to bring in California for you because I know it's near and dear to you. You see this with what's happening in the Spencer Pratt campaign. And I believe this fundamentally, the reason that he's having success is, yes, he's a great campaigner, but it's not ideological. It's about competence at the local level. Being a mayor is not, can you be the most communist mayor on the planet, Mayor Mamdani or Karen Bass? It's, can you balance the Books, can you clean up the potholes and the graffiti and the homelessness? And that's why he's having such resonance, I think, in the city of Los Angeles. But before I get ahead of myself, Alex, you know the city well. Does Spencer Pratt have any chance of actually pulling this off?

[Alex Marlow]

I really make a point not to be a total bummer. So I'm not. I'm not gonna give you so. No, My, my taken out of context answer. But I will tell you this. I love everything he's talking about, to the point that he's demanding competence from our leadership. And we need that. Well, my biggest fear is, first of all, the unions, yet again, are Democrat political arms. They run the city. And wherever the unions go, if they're in lockstep behind a certain candidate, that candidate always wins. And he's going to have to. He's going to have to break that mold. And he's going to have to do it by getting liberal Democrats to vote for him, because all the Republicans have left. Like for me, for example. I live in LA County. I live just north of the city of la. I can't even go vote for him, which I would love to do, because I live by five miles. I don't live in the city technically. So he's got to get actual liberal Democrats to show up and vote for him. And maybe he can do it, because again, he's so nonpartisan. He's only talking about competence. And I love it. But I got the proofs in the pudding.

[Andrew]

What about Steve Hilton? 15 seconds.

[Alex Marlow]

A better chance in the sense that the Democrats blew up their own spot with their ridiculous jungle primary system. But the path is much easier if Hilton and Bianco are the top two vote getters in the primary, which seems far, far fetched.

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[Andrew]

Alex Marlowe, host of the Alex Marlow show and editor in chief of Breitbart. Thank you, my friend. We'll see you soon.

[Alex Marlow]

Thanks, guys.

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[Andrew]

all right, without further ado, we have Josie the red headed Libertarian. She is the host of the Josie Show. She is a Tim Cass contributor and you might know her online as the Red Headed Libertarian. I guess small L, right? Josie, not big L. I got that right. Small L. I know that's a very important distinction. So Josie, so good to have you. You are one of my favorite followers on X. I think you are smart. I think you are the opposite of cringe, whatever that is. You just, you tell it like it is. And you're very insightful and just great analysis and I wanted to have you on because I got myself into a little bit of a back and forth with Thomas Massie accidentally. I did my best, Josie, to try and stay out of that race. I really did because two things can be true at once and that is that Charlie had great respect for Thomas Massie and he also had great respect for the president. And I also, like I said, I did try and say it. I didn't make any comments about it before the election, before the Tuesday, last Tuesday election. But we had a caller call in on Friday. So it was after the election results were already in that he had lost. He'd conceded. And they asked about it. And I explained that, yeah, I did have a private conversation with Charlie after the big beautiful bill where he expressed frustration. Okay, so then Mr. Thomas Massie, somebody clipped it. And Thomas Massie sort of alleged that I was or this show was distributed by Israel or something, which is not at all true. We're here on Real America's Voice. Israel does not control us. We're not beholden to Israel. All that is true as well. But in general terms, in broader terms, besides that little scuffle, I'm not an enemy to libertarians. I don't agree with libertarianism in a lot of things. But I also understand that we make better friends than enemies. And I want to make sure that we're paying heed to this, because if you look at the generational breakdown of that race, that is the thing that gives me most pause. It was the 65 and over that went really hard for galrain. Anybody under 65, however, Josie was big for Massie, and Massey is not my enemy. We did not get involved in that. I want to make sure that we are uniting the clans, not dividing them. And so I guess the question to you, Josie, is what right now is inside the libertarian mind and thinking, what are the problem spots? What do we need to be aware of? And then I want to talk about solutions, because we need to grow the coalition, not shrink it. And I'm afraid that after the Massie loss, there's a lot of libertarians that are feeling betrayed by maga.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

That's. That's a really great way to put it. So it wasn't just MAGA that got Trump elected. It was the coalition, as you said. It was Maha, those Maha moms. It was the libertarians. It was disaffected liberals. And they all came together on a common platform. We don't want war. We want healthier food. We want the spending to go down. We, we want less debt. You know, it was all things that are very universal. And Trump came with this platform that, that promised all of these things, and so we all united behind him. And when it comes to libertarians, I mean, I'm a small L libertarian. So there's, there's. I do want to explain this. So small libertarians and so small l libertarians. I'm very constitutional, very Bill of Rights, very sort of Founding Fathers. That's, that's what a small libertarian is. And that's like Rand, Paul, Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, they're all small L libertarians as well. When it comes to big L libertarians, those are the people in the party who might, you know, take their clothes off and stand on stage and say that we should sell crack to babies. Those are big L libertarians.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

So they're two very, very different things. So even in my title on X, I'm the redheaded libertarian. I have a small L. And that drives people crazy. But it's very important distinction.

[Andrew]

Make sure we get that distinction on the lower third. Therefore, can we change that to the redheaded small L libertarian? Okay, continue.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

All right, so. So when it came to. And that split, so all I, like Angela McArdle, did a lot of work between the Libertarian Party and MAGA while we were helping to try to get Trump into office. Because there was a coalition, there were common goals. And you know what sucks is we don't have libertarians. Small l Libertarians don't have very much representation. We don't have very much representation. And was it $25 million was put into getting rid of our representation. And that's going to be really hard for the small l Libertarians to come back from. Now. Small l Libertarians don't. We don't go to the Democrat side, okay? We just like what Thomas Massey had said probably a few years ago. He said, you know, there's a reason why all the smell libertarians in Congress have an R by their name because that's, that's how we get that representation. So we're not going to go become Democrats. We're not going to go vote for Democrats. What happens is we were excited to vote for Trump. We were really excited. We really believed in his message. And now we're demoralized. Now there's a demoralization. And demoralized people don't vote. They're like, all right, whatever. We were betrayed once we ever trust this again. So that's going to be the issue with getting the small l libertarians back on board, is the demoralization. However, the way that we should go forward with this is there is a post Trump future. There is going to be a time where he is no longer in office and there's never going to be a populace like him again. So when it comes to that, that's what small libertarians need to figure out, how to vote, how to get behind that message, and how to kind of get the message of the Constitution and that back into, back, back into the agenda.

[Andrew]

Well, listen. Oh, so I was just thinking, like,

[Blake]

what, what does stand out for that libertarian faction? Because what stands out with me, with Massie, for example, he was, is famous as one of the more libertarian members of Congress, but his branding over the past year is not on what I would say is a particularly libertarian issue. I don't know that there's a specific libertarian nexus to Epstein stuff, but what are the issues that stand out the most to small l libertarians in your view?

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

Spending abiding by the Constitution. So one thing that Thomas Massie does is he is rigidly for the Constitution. And that's okay, that that's how we're supposed to be. Once you make one compromise, that leads to another compromise which leads to another. And where do you draw the line so he doesn't ever bend against that. Everything he's done is for the Constitution, for the country, for what our founders envisioned, every single thing. So we would like to hold as close to that as possible because, you know, compromises lead to more compromises. And at what point do you draw the line? What point do you say, okay, no more compromises. We shouldn't compromise the Constitution at all. It's the law of the land.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So, Josie, Josie, I actually, I want to keep taking our medicine here because I think it's important. We had another segment with you, and we can focus on the future there, but I want to make sure we learn the lesson of the present right now. So, for example, I will give Thomas Massie credit with the Big Beautiful Bill, for example. He stripped some things out of that, ultimately got some stuff accomplished, then still didn't vote for the final bill, but I think that was still productive. Right. And I love him on Maha. I love him on spending, I love him on war. The question is, right now, where are small l libertarians feeling most betrayed? I understand the race with Massie is. Is demoralizing and a lot might stay home, and I think that's a problem. But what other issues? Is it the war? Is it Israel? Is it sense of corruption or spending too much? What are the key. Say that again.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

It's the wars, it's the foreign aid. Those are the things. So when Trump came to the Libertarian Convention to talk to the libertarians, he made us. He made the country 20 promises. He made us about 32 different promises, sort of statement promises, and then implied promises.

[Andrew]

Sure.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

So, you know, he said, I'm the anti war president, and what are we supposed to think from that? You know, and then about cutting. He promised to get the neocons out of the establishment and drain it of the globalists and drain it of the communists. And I feel like he's got Lindsey Graham standing next to him on every take, endorsing this war with Iran. And that's what he told us.

[Andrew]

And one thing that I've heard more than anything is when President Trump encouraged people to listen to Mark Levin and Marc Thiessen. I have heard that so many times. Being like, people just being like, what are we doing here? Because that did feel, I think, especially to a small l Libertarian, like a betrayal of maybe the things he said to the. To the convention, but continue.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

Yes. So it's the foreign aid. The Big Beautiful Bill, for instance, had hundreds of millions of dollars going to, like, Egypt. That's not a kitchen table. Issue to me, you know, hundreds of like, going. Then we had Israel. There were actually two different. Two different sets of money that were going to Israel. So it's all this foreign aid. Then there was. There's nothing about the SAVE act wasn't put into the big, beautiful bill. There was things that were sort of promised to go into it that weren't into it because Thomas Massie couldn't get them in. And there's a deep state that's still there no matter what we want to think that's preventing a lot of the stuff that needed to go into the bill, to not go into the bill. So there was still a tremendous amount of spending. We were still going to have a deficit problem. And Thomas Massie has always voted against spending. The one time he didn't vote against spending, it was one time, and that was because he was told that or into the bill was written that there would be a 1% cut in spending every single year. And so he's like, well, I'll vote for that because that's a cut in spending. So. And then right after that, it was stripped from the bill. You can look this up.

[Andrew]

Wow. Okay. I got a note from somebody that's watching the show right now, and they totally disagreed with my take. And they said what pissed people off, his words, is the grandstanding on Epstein and Israel. He went from being principled to searching for clicks. Now, that's not my words. I'm just. Somebody's getting mad at me. And that's their perception of Thomas Massie. Maybe address that.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

Well, he ran on the platform that Trump ran on before he got elected, was I'm going to reveal the Epstein files. And I mean, I've only read them because of him. I've been through them. I've read, well, as many as I could. You know, there are 3 million of them. But we only. We only know what happened because of them. We know Lex Wexner was very involved. We know Howard Lutnick lied to Congress. We know all of this now. So there were Trump's friends that were getting embarrassed when. When this happened. And, I mean, then there was a ton of money that came after him for that. It wasn't him searching for clicks. It was him running on Trump's platform because that's what his constituents voted for, and that's what they were promised, and that was him trying to fulfill that. And I know it might feel like clicks, like trying to get clicks, but if you know who Thomas Massie is, he's very principled.

[Andrew]

No, listen, and that has long been the way people perceived him. He was just this MIT guy that I think. Doesn't he do, like, raw milk and all that stuff? He does that, right? Yeah. And very principled. And there's a lot of stuff to really admire about him. I certainly agree. But I think what this is getting at is when it was like, you know, the Ro Khanna and the, you know, calling Republicans the pedo protection party and things like that, I think. I think, you know, eventually you're going to make some enemies when you do that sort of thing. So, listen, I understand both sides of the argument. I was going to be willing to live with whatever the results were. But again, learning our lessons here, because I want to make sure that we don't alienate the small L libertarians. I think it's really important to build the coalition as big as we can. Politics is about addition, not subtraction. Okay, so how big of a deal and is there any coming back? Because you mentioned the Iran war. We've got this potential peace deal on the table right now that I'm hoping gets over the finish line. I'm certainly praying for peace. I want us to focus domestically. I want us to get rid of Lindsey Graham. I want the warmongers out. I want to stop it. Peace is the future. I really believe that. Can we overcome the Massey loss, the demoralization? Will the peace deal make a significant improvement in that, or is it too little, too late?

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

The peace deal will be very helpful. Massey filed paperwork to run for something in 2028, and that's going to give small l libertarians some degree of hope, whether it's to get his seat back from Edgarn. I don't know if they're going to put another $25 million to take the seat away. I don't know. Trump will be on his way out the door at that point. So that'll give Liberty smaller libertarians something to rally behind. But aside from that, it's the spending and it's the war, and those are the really big things. Massie was the one who went on the floor and he demanded a quorum. He demanded that People for the CARES act didn't stay home and that the. That the Congress went to work and they voted so that the House wouldn't or that the country wouldn't die in an empty chamber. It's a very famous speech that never would have happened if we didn't have a principled constitutionalist in, in Congress. So. So it's. It's really hard that we're not going to have that anymore for another two years. And just the things that, that could happen, the things that won't be exposed because of that, but Trump can. And it's not just the smaller libertarians, it's the young people. I mean, it's the people tpusa serves.

[Andrew]

No, I told. This is why I'm having this conversation, Josie, because you're right. It's not just a small. To the extent that young people

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[Andrew]

engaged in politics, a lot of it is tinged with the small L. Libertarian. I mean, a lot of young people just think that way intuitively. And I think that's great and fine because again, this adherence to the Constitution, these foundational principles, I think it's really important, and this is why I took such note of the Massie race, is because I saw the demographic breakdown. So if you are not 65 plus, you are voting for Thomas Massie, it is in some ways the future. Now, some of those people might shift their voting patterns as they get older. I don't know. But the point is, this is really important that we deal with this because a lot of these kids are going to stay home. A lot of these kids, they don't know how to defend what's happening in Iran. They don't know how to defend any tinge of censorship. Right. So these are these big overarching issues and basic principles that we need to adhere to if we're gonna have any hope. The question, I guess, is, and I'm kind of getting at different angles of this, but is hope lost or can we recruit these people back to show up? Maybe not for the midterms, but 2028.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

Trump needs to leave Thomas Massie alone forever. Like, he needs to drop it with that, because every single time he says he does anything for, against Thomas Massie, he loses more. He loses more. And he doesn't just lose the small libertarians, he loses the young people. And so that's got to stop. And I know he's. He doesn't have Charlie as his advisor anymore. He has Mark Levin. So that vacuum, that void that Charlie when, when he, when he left us, that was opened up to forces that are not for what he believed in. And they slid in and now they're in his ear. And so if somebody else could, could sort of get in there and talk to him, or if Mark Levin can get out of there, that would be, that would be the best thing for the country. And when it comes to the young people, people always say our country was founded by a bunch of Old white guys. No, it was founded by guys in their 20s and 30s. Thomas Jefferson was like 33. This is the age. This is the age of the Enlightenment. This is the age that builds revolutions. And that's why it's so appealing to Turning Point USA and to the small libertarians who aren't that young anymore but are still feeling that.

[Andrew]

Well, I know, Josie, that I can't remember the context of it, but some sort of controversy, little dust up on Twitter. Something happened and Charlie reached out to you and I know it meant a lot to you where he said, well, we'll keep you, Josie, with a smiley face and you put it up. I didn't realize you told me that story, but I didn't realize you had it on your Twitter profile. And I feel the same about you, Josie. We'll keep you. I think you're truly one of the good ones and your heart is completely in the right place. Even if we disagree about certain things. I know that you're always down to have a conversation and to talk it out and some people aren't. And that's great about you. And so anyways, I think this, I hope people understood the heart of this conversation is that we need to keep the bridge with small L libertarianism. Even if you disagree with a bunch of the policies, you can understand that we need to grow the coalition and keep the coalition together and we need to keep young people engaged and give them hope. And a lot of young people are very idealistic and when they see hypocrisy or the things that don't make sense, they tend to give in. Denialism, we can't let that happen either. So, Josie, the red headed libertarian small L, thank you for joining us today and for coming on.

[Josie the Red Headed Libertarian]

It's great to be back. Thank you.

[Blake]

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