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My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.
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Use me.
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all right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are currently in a recess in the court on the fifth day of the state of Utah versus Tyler Robinson, the preliminary hearing. And we've got some great guys here starting off to help us make sense of the insanity that sometimes you see online, but also make sense of the court proceedings. That is Kurt Schlichter. He is obviously an attorney. He's the author of a lot of books. Hold on, Kurt, I know you sent me. You got a new one, American Warlord, that's coming up. I want to make sure we give you that. Kurt, you're like a lawyer. Well, you're not like a lawyer. You are a lawyer. And yet you're also a novelist, which you're prolific, by the way. So I want to give you a lot of kudos for that. And so, welcome to the show. We also have the very online famous and famous for his company, Justin Nazarov, CEO of Phoenix Ammunition. Gentlemen, welcome to the show. It's good to have you both on as we're waiting here, since we do have a munitions expert, ballistics expert. Expert. Let's start there. What are some of the biggest misconceptions? Because, Justin, I've seen you all over online right now you're just going ham on everybody when it comes to ballistics. What are the biggest misconceptions you're seeing and what do you want to set the record straight with?
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Yeah, well, I think the first Misconception is that there's something unusual about the lack of an exit wound. Previous to this preliminary hearing, we really didn't know the projectile that was being used. And now it's been, you know, confirmed and identified as a Remington Corlock. Very, very, very common soft point round that's been around for decades. And anybody who's used one can tell you that jacket separation fragmentation is something that can absolutely happen when these projectiles strike bone. And so this. This whole idea that it could not have happened, and so therefore, any suggestion that it was a bullet that. That killed Charlie must mean that there's some kind of greater conspiracy in play. You know, exploding microphones, electrocution, all this kind of stuff. I mean, we're seeing it now. These are the things that certain podcasters have been speculating on for months. And now we're actually seeing the evidence in court, and it's pretty obvious what happened. You know, this is. This is very, very common with hollow point and soft point projectiles. It's not at all unusual.
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Yeah, and, you know, you always hear that, that expression, bullets do funny things. They're unpredictable. This is a point you've been making for a while. Did you, Phoenix, you were early, early on this. And, Kurt, I don't know if you're a gun aficionado, but basically you made the point that 16 out of 17 of the.30 06 caliber rounds that Remington manufactures have this type of soft tip, which you would expect to sort of balloon out or mushroom out, designed not to leave an exit wound. What's the point of that for those that are unaffiliated with hunting or sport shooting?
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Well, look, as a lawyer, first of all, as an officer, I wasn't allowed to have a gun because I probably shoot myself in a foot. But, you know, what Justin's really doing here is a great job. I'm a big fan from online. I was reading his stuff today, and he's providing a role here as an expert witness. Right. Who's giving us expertise that normal people don't have. And as a lawyer, I didn't know all this stuff, but I had. I had the advantage of getting guys like Justin in who could explain things in common parlance so that regular folks could understand. And Justin was talking about that today. He was talking about how soft point bullets were, what the purpose of jacketing is, how this ammunition is designed. And, you know, this is. These are powerful facts that Justin's providing. Not speculation, not nonsense, not Elmer Fuddlore. He's giving real, real solid information so I'll defer to him on the specifics. But if I was a lawyer, I would hire someone like him as my expert witness, and then I would argue the hell out of everything he's taught the jury.
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Well, you're talking this some. Blake and I talk a lot about. You're talking about evidence. You're talking about proof. Actually, that's being presented in the court of law now. And I think we've had 10 months of a vacuum. And by the way, today is the 10 month mark, which is worth noting. And we've had 10 months, though, of just this vacuum of facts and evidence. Now you see vacuums and facts actually being injected into the conversation, and yet there are still people that refuse that are doubling and tripling down. And I'll go to either of you on this.
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Well, actually, I think I want to go at. Since we have Kurt the novelist with us. Kurt, just. You've written stories. What does this commitment to a fan fiction. Yeah, fan fiction, fan horror. They get very attached to narratives that we can see require huge leaps of logic. They don't stand up in the face of evidence, and they only get more committed to them over time. What's going on here?
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Well, look, some people are stupid, some people are mentally ill, but most people have a bias towards never admitting fault. It's hard to admit you're wrong. I mean, even among attorneys. And we pride ourselves at being objective, at looking at facts and following them wherever they go and then arguing the case for our client as best we can. You know, it's human nature to have pride and not want to say, you know, I listened to a bunch of podcasting shysters, a bunch of clowns, and they misled me. And, and, and again, I want to go back to Justin because I, I, I, I, I'm so impressed by the way he calmly and thoroughly explains the facts. There's no, no, you know, no, no fluff, no anger, no screaming or yelling. It's just, here is the facts, here's how it works, and people of good faith will respond to that. People who are suddenly defensive because they've been wrong about something and they're frankly embarrassed, you're never going to convince them. But most normal people are subject to changing their minds when they see compelling evidence. And, and I think the kind of compelling evidence Justin's providing as an expert is immensely useful.
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Gentlemen, I'm just being told in my ear that they're coming back from this break. Justin, I wanted to get you in so much more here, man, because you have Been doing the Lord's work, shutting down so much of this garbage. I have no idea how long they're going to be on for. So I'm not sure if you guys can stick around. Kurt, I know you can. We're going to take the hearing until the next break. So back to the hearing and we'll talk to these gentlemen, hopefully in a few. All right, what you're seeing here, ladies and gentlemen, is that John Madden style compilation video of where Tyler Robinson was traced on campus. And the court ruled that that was not going to be broadcast for public. Then Jeffrey Nyman, who is the family representative for the Kirk family, asked that the family be able to see that. So the judge ruled that they could. He's now chosen for that to happen now. So Erica, Kathy, Rob, the Kirk family collectively are now able to watch that compilation video with enhancements, zoom ins, kind of red circles that draw your eye to it. That's how I've been told, had that video described. So they are doing that now. And by the way, good job. Jeffrey Nyman, he's been excellent, excellent in representing the family's wishes and pushing for speed, pushing for transparency. So a lot of, lot of progress there, thanks to Mr. Nyman. Okay. This whole thing was so boring this morning. Yes. And I feel like that is our punishment for yesterday. Yeah, yeah. Yesterday was very substantive. Today was not. I want to bring up something as we're seeing that we're not seeing it, but presumably the video is being played right now in court for the family. Kayleigh McEnady, who's a friend, she's also a lawyer, former White House press secretary, she has come out on the offensive saying that she is, it's mind blowing to her judge, Tony Graffiti, citing article in section 28 of the Utah Constitution that allows Erica Kirk and the family to be treated with respect, etc. Etc. And she goes, but I would love for him to cite Utah code 773872 that gives Erica Kirk and her family the, quote, right to a speedy disposition of the charges free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant. So under Utah code, there can't be undue delay. She then goes on to say, say that in the United States of America, the average plea is made by a defendant within 24 to 48 hours of an incident. 24 to 48 hours. We are now closing in on the year mark. We're at 10 months today. And the judge yesterday said instead of issuing his ruling on whether this has reached probable Cause which we all know that it has. He has instead said, I'm going to wait till September 1st. We're going to have another hearing. September 1st. It is July 10th. So, you know, you do the math. It's almost two months away to then rule that, yes, we have reached probable cause.
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She said 48 hours on average for a plea, and we'll be looking at 108,000 hours.
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So many, many multiples of that. So, yeah, it is. It is frustrating. You know, I think, in general, Judge Graff has done a pretty good job. I have notes. I think he could control the defense 8,000 hours.
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I should correct my math on that.
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Okay, there you go. In general, I mean, I think the larger criticism of the way he's handling this is he's just losing control of the clock, and this is dragging on too long. I mean, that question that we just went through on the DNA, my eyes were glazing over. And maybe that's poor. Maybe that is the strategy that they're intending. It's tough to know. But in general, he's been pretty good. Okay. And he made a great decision yesterday to reverse his previous ruling and allowed more transparency in the Lance Twiggs video. He deserves a lot of, you know, he deserves acknowledgement from us that that was the right decision, but this is just. This is beginning to become a clown show in just how long it's taking. And so hopefully that point is made either by the state or by Jeffrey Nyman before we get too far along here today, because, you know, I think the point has been made. The prosecution, notably. I don't know if we. I think we have that clip. As a matter of fact, the prosecution today made the point that this was. Yeah, here you go. Can we play this? Studio SOT6 Judge.
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Your Honor has. Your Honor has heard four days of testimony. Now, the evidence is overwhelming. It's devastating. And the question needs to be asked the purpose of continuing with testimony if it's long and drawn out. Of course the defense has the right to call witnesses, but it needs to be within the context of this preliminary hearing.
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So your honor has heard four days of testimony. Now, the evidence is overwhelming. It's devastating. This was the same thing that we heard yesterday, so.
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Exactly. It's like, I think of what my friend, the lawyer said. We're getting a lot of intense detail on microscopic analysis of bullet fragments. We're getting a lot of intense detail, I think, to blur, you know, DNA is a complicated subject. Oh, what's. What are these allele. What's an allele. People don't remember this stuff. You get a lot of analysis on that to minimize the amount of time anyone is spending thinking on. There were multiple confessions by the defendant by text, by in person, according to person's testimony. Multiple people heard it on multiple forums. And they just want to minimize the amount of attention on that because, as you say, it's devastating.
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Let's go back to this. And by the way, apologies. Apparently something happened with my microphone and the audio was poor for a moment there. I do apologize. But let's go through the facts here. You've got law enforcement. Tyler Robinson did it. Tyler's trans boyfriend, Tyler Robinson did it. Tyler's dad, Tyler did it. Tyler's mom, Tyler did it. The evidence, in my humble opinion, points to Tyler Robinson doing it. Whether that's the video surveillance evidence or the confessions and texts, the DNA, the forensic evidence, all of these things point in one direction. And so you've got to wonder, with all of those different pieces of the puzzle here pointing to Tyler Robinson, what would the judge need to do to be convinced, to make a ruling to do? And that's certainly the hope. But we've, from what we've seen from this, you know, situation with the judge and the way that he tends to operate, unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen. I think we're going to have to wait till September 1st for Tyler Robinson to actually issue a plea based on the judge ruling that we'll have the
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hearing on September 1st. You might even delay to that point. We may get past the symbolic one year mark, which I think is insane. In fact, if you want a big picture thing from this that I think about, this might be worth generating a bit of a discussion of how do our actual criminal justice systems operate? How long does it take to get a defendant to plea, to trial, into prison, if they're guilty now versus 50 years ago now versus before COVID I think everything got worse during COVID Do we need to have more judges? Do we need to have more court personnel? Do we need to have more courthouses? Do we need to streamline the process? I want to talk about it.
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You know what it is? It's the appeals. I'm convinced that Judge Graff is. He seems to me like a very decent human being. He's trying his best to be impartial. And I think what he's trying to do is protect the case from appeal and from some sort of technicality. Because guess what? Mr. Novak keeps threatening, right? He's saying this is A violation of the 14th amendment or, you know, my client's 6th and 14th amendment rights. What is that in translation? Lawyer speak? We're gonna get this thing overturned or we're gonna. Something, you know, something is gonna be done to upend this case and this proceeding. And it seems like he's been successful in some regard. Cowing Judge Grass.
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We all got that sinking feeling in our stomach yesterday when that letter was briefly displayed, and we thought, okay, they're gonna run with us. And lo and behold, today they're running with this.
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That's all they had.
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This letter was blasted out to everyone. We need to take the cameras out of the courtroom, which, if they're successful on that, that means more room for weird conspiracy theorists to run wild. That means more room for. Oh, we can hope someone who's really hooked on this stuff gets into the jury pool.
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Yeah, well, and here's what I'll say. So that. That gentleman that would just droned on for a couple, like, an over an hour. Basically, I'm looking at the tape from it. He got two different instances where Caitlin Oliver, the ATF DNA section chief, who was the defense witness, testified that it was, like, at least 1 trillion times more likely that it was Tyler Robinson's DNA. She said that twice. One trillion.
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And then that's a ceiling more than a trillion because that's where they cap it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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People don't know what octillion is.
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Yeah, exactly. So the whole thing is. You know, I get. If you're a conspiracy theorist online, you think this is all fed slop. I get it. For us living in the real world here, I don't know what else you're looking for. If you're Judge Graff, this is the month we celebrate our independence as a country. And real Americans know that there is no liberty or pursuit of happiness without life. Preborn celebrates life every single day by providing ultrasound so that girls and women will have the truth of what's happening in their bodies, and then they can make the best choice. When you provide ultrasounds, you double the chance that she'll choose life. $140 helps give five mothers a free ultrasound and save babies. $280 helps save 10 babies. And for just $28 a month, you can save babies all year long for less than a dollar a day. A $15,000 gift, and I know there's some of you out there that can do this, Will provide an ultrasound machine that will save lives for years to come. Whether you want to save one baby or five or hundreds that opportunity is just a phone call or click away. So call 833-850-2229. That's 833-850-2229. Or click on the Preborn banner at charliekirk.com today.
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I'd be so honored if you'd prayerfully consider joining us. All right, welcome, everybody. The preliminary hearing in the State of Utah vs. Tyler Robinson wrapped up this, I guess, depending on which part of the country you are this early afternoon or late morning. And we are now going to, we're moving up our recap a little bit here just to make sure that it's all fresh. And so there's not as much evidence that was presented today, but that's okay because there is some really important, I guess, developments that we need to cover right now. Here to help us do it is Steve Dase. You know him from the Steve Dase Show, BlazeTV, great friend of the show and is a great friend of Charlie. Steve, welcome. We've got a lot of little details here to wrap up, and I'm going to update the audience on them first, and then we're going to get to your perspective of what's happened and then some bigger concepts that I think are important to explore. So just after court wrapped, the preliminary hearing wrapped, there was a statement made by the Kirk family, and I'm going to read that. And then there was a filing as well. So here it is. This is from the Kirk family. The conclusion of the preliminary hearing marks an important step forward in the pursuit of justice for Charlie. Our family is grateful for the prayer, support and kindness that has been extended to us, especially through these unimaginably painful and emotionally damaging demanding proceedings. As difficult as these last few days have been, it brings our family comfort to know that the world has witnessed the overwhelming evidence of what occurred to Charlie that day. Nothing will ever undo the loss of our beloved Charlie. As this case moves into its next phase, we pray that truth will continue to be heard through a process that is fair, transparent, and grounded in the facts. Okay. So the Kirk family, that would be obviously Erica, along with Rob, Charlie's father, and Kathy, Charlie's mother, issued that jointly on behalf of the family. Then immediately after Steve and Blake, the family representative, Jeff Nyman, issued, he put forward a filing sort of requesting prompt resolution to the matter of probable cause. Right. So that is the legal threshold that must be reached in order to take this to a full trial. So in this, and I believe we have the image here, he filed this like almost immediately. It was very quick work. He said, we are approaching the one year anniversary of Charlie's assassination, which is just mind boggling on its. On its face. Ten months have passed since the defendant's arrest. And the five day preliminary hearing has now concluded. The defendant is entitled to a fair trial and he must receive one, but he is not entitled to cause undue delay in the criminal justice process. The family is likewise entitled to a speedy resolution. Utah code 77387 provides that, quote, the victim of a crime has the right to a speedy disposition of the charges free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant. The family trusts this court to ensure the case proceeds without further delay. We respectfully urge this court to issue its probable cause determination no later than September 1, 2026, which is significant because right now Judge Graff has said that they'll have a hearing on September 1st.
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Right.
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Which means that, Steve, we could possibly get to beyond a one year anniversary out before we even know if this is going to go to trial before a probable cause determination has been made.
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And we know it's going to be four hours of oral argument at least, plus 35 pages of briefs from each side in that hearing. So it could be very tempting for him to kick the can down the road past that hearing date.
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Steve, your thoughts on balancing Judge Graff's balancing act of the constitutional rights of Tyler Robinson with the family's rights to a speedy disposition of justice?
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Well, guys, I did some of my own research today and then I've heard from some other folks way more knowledgeable on this kind of procedure legally. And this is very abnormal, the amount of time that it takes to get to this juncture. The only thing that I can say that, because I do think overall, based on what I've seen this week, I do think the judge has been conscientious. The only thing I can think of to justify this length of time is twofold. Number one, because of how high profile this is. This is the most high profile martyring in America, at least since the summer of 68 when you had RFK and then MLK that spring. This is the most viewed murder in all of human history. And so therefore then the unprecedented cottage industry of wackadoodle conspiracy theories that have come up surrounding it over the last several months, that he is trying to do everything he can to make sure. This case is open and shut and doesn't give an obvious room for appeal and is trying to do everything he can to make sure that all I's are dotted and all T's are crossed. And then maybe hoping that this may never go to trial. That with the amount of time that all this evidence has mounted and been simmering, I think that you have watched within our movement and industry over the last 72 hours, there have been a lot of people jumping ship or turning around and saying to a lot of the wackadoodle conspiracy theorists, you know, this just is. We're off the reservation here. We shouldn't have let it get to this far. And at this juncture, you guys are essentially, essentially excommunicated yourselves. And so maybe he's hoping that with this amount of evidence out there that that might procl, Maybe motivate the Tyler Robinson folks to take a plea deal to avoid a trial, living through all this evidence all over again. And, and, and we can now just say justice was done and moved on, move on. But, but those are the only two things, and I'm projecting in both of those, those are the only two things I could find for any rationale for this length of time to get to the point of even declaring probable cause, especially when you're looking at the amount of open and shut evidence there is. You know, I was watching today when the defense attorneys were attempting five different ways to ask a question that was inadmissible and kept getting sustained and thrown out to try and question the DNA sequencing of their own witness. And if you're trying to, if that's where you're at in your defense, you're trying to frame your own witness to the point that you're getting frequent objections against your own questions at that point, then I think you can see the shaky ground the defense is on here because of just how overwhelming this evidence is.
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You're 1,000% right here. And that was my big takeaway. There wasn't much activity in the courtroom today as far as new evidence, but the one witness that was called forward by the defense ended up making great points for the state. And we have a couple of these clips. We'll play one of them. It's about this. An ATF DNA section chief. Right. And so she. Again, this is the defense's witness. When the state gets up and cross examine, examines her, this is what they get. SOT7, what was your conclusion as to
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the likelihood ratio that you analyzed in this question? In calculation number three for this exhibit,
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the DNA profile was at least 1 trillion times more likely if it originated from Tyler Robinson as the major component and three unknown unrelated individuals than if it originated from four unrelated individuals.
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You say at least one trillion times more likely. So it could be a much higher number than 1 trillion.
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Is that accurate?
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It's possible. But the protocols in your laboratory say you cap that at the number 1 trillion. Is that right?
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Correct.
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We would not report a number higher than 1 trillion.
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It looks like you also did a probability statistic as well in paragraph E.
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The probability of an unrelated individual in the population who has not contributed DNA to the sample yielding this level of support is less than one in a trillion.
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Okay, so that's the defense's star witness that just links evidence to Tyler Robinson at one in a trillion. But that's where they cap it. So it could have been much. I mean, we were hearing Octavia.
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Yeah.
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They were saying.
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Yeah, so just cap it out at
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one in the number of cells in your body, I think.
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And by the way, I was getting bombarded with texts, Steve, from people that are in the legal profession, former prosecutors, all this kind of stuff unrelated to the case, but they're watching it. Right. And they just kept the same guy that's doing all the forensic, you know, examine, witness questioning on behalf of the defense is really hard to listen to. Like, your eyes glass over. It is completely not fun to watch. Right. This is not riveting tv. And I think that's the point. But it's. They kept making the point that it is really going to turn a jury off and it's going to exasperate the judge, and it's not a good winning strategy here. So that's the defense's best shot. Okay, now let's go back to what you just said about the plea deal. And this is, I think, actually a little bit more interesting here, because during the course of the week, you saw the defense fighting tooth and nail to keep out what are called enhancements. Enhancements are legally important because that's what justifies a death penalty in a case like this. Right. So if you can put an enhancement. And Blake, actually, you know this pretty well because you know the case.
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Yes. It's just you. You need. Unfortunately, our glorious Supreme Court, in one of its slightly more liberal eras, said that you can't just have the death penalty as a default penalty for murder. You need these enhancements. There needs to be an aggravating factor. And so we need something to be sustained. We need it to be a politically motivated crime. We need to potentially be a crime that endangers minors. That's another way they can go for it. They have a few different ways they can get it. But by far the most likely is that he was motivated to target Charlie. I think that they're going a lot for that because of Charlie's religion, because then it's basically a religiously motivated hate crime enhancement that they could go for.
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So you see them fighting for that. But the judge ultimately allowed the exhibit from David Engelhardt, who's one of the board members, explaining the mission of Turning Point and explains. Explaining how deeply integrated Charlie's Christian faith was to some of his positions, say on the trans issue or in gender and sex. Right. So that ended up getting admitted into evidence. Right. Not only that, but you had the political motivations in the text messages where it says, some hate just can't be negotiated out. I had enough of his hate. Then you also had the bullet engravings which had Bella Ciao, which is a famous anti fascist song from Italy back in the 1940s. You had hey, Fascist catch. There are multiple pieces of that puzzle that explain the why. And so I don't understand what leg they're going to have to stand on. But the point is, if they were able to successfully argue against some of those enhancements or those pieces of evidence that would lead to the enhancements, you know, from being admitted as evidence, maybe that changes their plea calculation.
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Yeah, I think at this point, if they weren't thinking this going in, I have to believe after the week that they just endured as counsel Tyler's defense, their main role at this point is just saving his life. I mean, the evidence here is pretty overwhelming. And so that's probably all this about, or at least it's a prime directive, is saving his life. And, you know, there's a balance here in that. On one hand, we want him to have this kind of vigorous defense. We want him to have this kind of detailed defense. He has real attorneys, folks that have represented people like the Menendez brothers. These aren't just, you know, public defenders appointed by the court for some lowly soul who couldn't afford otherwise. You want him to be scrutinized under a rigorous defense on his behalf because, again, how important this case is, the precedent that is being set here and how precedent setting this senseless tragedy and assassination was. And so you want every stone, you know, turned over. You want everything explored so that no one is left to remain. I'm just asking questions for another nine or 10 months of a grift. We want to have all that stuff exhausted and thrown out there. But there's a line between that which does serve the system we have. Whether we like it or not, it is the system we have. There's a line there somewhere between that and now we're just exasperating people and exhausting this, and we're delaying justice for a family here when the evidence is pretty overwhelming. And so I think we can certainly say after five days of this. This week that this evidence is pretty overwhelming. And if maybe at the start of this week with a hearing that was already delayed by two months anyway, it was supposed, as you guys know and your audience knows, to take place in May. So we've already delayed it by a couple of months already to get here to July. Now you're talking about delaying it another couple of months just to get to really the first key official juncture of a declarative judgment one way or another. I think we are. If we're not close to. If we're not at least close to the line of. We're going from conscientiousness here to exasperation. I think we've already crossed it.
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I think that's such a great framing, Steve. Exasperation. But we do. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, hang tight. I've got some stuff I really want to share, but, Blake, give me.
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We want to be absolutely certain.
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I want to be absolutely certain. Okay. So just hang tight. Blake, why don't you. The biggest piece of evidence you saw that. That was admitted in court for the public viewing. What was it? What would you say it was?
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There was a lot, thankfully, as we can say. I think. I think we go back to the thing that the defense was most eager to move past, that. We have Lance Twigs on camera. He says, yep, I received these text messages from Tyler Robinson. I. I'm the guy who did it.
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He.
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He says, check for this note. We. We saw more detail of that conversation than we saw before.
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Or we.
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We actually have Tyler, you know, say, f. I thought I deleted this. He seems to have mistaken, basically mistakenly roped Lance Twigs in. He details trying to retrieve his rifle. We have the description of the note. We were mistakenly shown an image of that note. We see the burned version of that note. We see Lance Twiggs. We heard Lance Twiggs say, he confessed to me in person, crying, saying he didn't want to do it or he wishes he hadn't done it. And I think that in concert with the physical evidence we have, just makes it absolutely overwhelming, and people will fixate on whether they have 100. You know, can they match this bullet to the exact gun or is it only the same category? That is so beside the point when all evidence you have supports the claim that Tyler Robinson did it. And when you have direct confession to it, it's. It truly is overwhelming. It, it almost feels, it almost feels like we're being toyed with or something, that this is even up for debate to me.
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C
All right, so I'm just, I'm just getting some breaking here right now. And I think we. This is public. It's public domain. This is from Heidi Hatch, KUTV reporter. So she says, and we're pulling this video. But after the defense final DNA witness, the court allowed the family to watch the zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University. Okay, remember a little bit, rewind the tape here. There was a huge rigmarole about the enhanced video. Right?
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F
So this is zoomed in.
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C
Yeah, zoomed in. And the quality, I'm being told, is except like, it's surprisingly high. And this, they called it the John Madden kind of style video because, you know, I think they circle it and they zoom in. They draw your eye to kind of where Tyler's walking around on campus. She said, Heidi Hatch says even zoomed in, the quality of the video is surprisingly high because remember, there's press in the courtroom that was able to watch this as well. It just wasn't broadcast to the public. You could see the man on the roof, reportedly, this is her words, reportedly, Tyler Robinson getting down into that whine or prone position before the shot was fired. The video showing Robinson allegedly returning to campus with jeans on shows that very distinctly limp with the rifle likely in the leg of his pants. You apparently can see things.
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F
We have another source, someone who was able to see it. He says, you see the person that we believe is Tyler Robinson. You can see them go over the guardrail, crouch down to assemble the rifle, run across the roof, crouch down, take the shot.
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C
At the time, we know the shot happened at 12:23, 28. So you see this person roll over the sort of railing or whatever that was to the rooftop of the Losee Center. And then Heidi goes on. This is again the KUTV local reporter there in Salt Lake City. She says heartbreaking to watch Erica Kirk and Charlie's parents as they watched in greater detail these final moments before Charlie was shot and killed on campus. So they did watch him assemble the rifle. They saw him go over the railing. And the enhanced video is apparently extraordinarily clear and visual. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi? For some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe Y. Refi can help. Just go to yrefi.com that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember, why Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. So.
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F
And it looks like they also.
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C
Yeah.
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F
In the enhanced video, it makes it more clear. The limp is he has a rifle shaped object in his pants. It seems they're able to zoom in and make that.
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C
Another reporter actually just reached out to me and said the enhanced surveillance video, Jeff Nyman, the Kirk family representative, got the court to play at the end, was the, quote, single most damning piece of evidence in the state's arsenal.
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F
We saw a lot of evidence this week.
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C
We saw a lot of damning evidence. And for an independent reporter to say that to me is, yeah, and I hope these journalists write about it. And actually, I think we might be getting Jack Posobeck, he might be joining, just to describe what he saw, because I believe he was inside the courtroom. Steve, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, but my instant reaction is I can't imagine what Erica and Rob and Kathy must have been feeling to see it in that vivid detail. You know, most people, most murder cases, and this is what's so funny about the Internet. The Internet's like, well, you can't see his face and his blurry. Most murder convictions happen without out video of the actual incident. In this instance, we have this luxury of hours of footage watching him meander around campus and case it out. I just can't imagine.
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F
Yeah, I mean, we've had, by comparison, we've had murder convictions of people who were definitely guilty where they don't have a body.
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C
Yeah.
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F
And we don't have a body. We don't have a murder weapon. You just have overwhelming contextual, circumstantial evidence. And here we have that, and we also have the DNA, the weapon the parents turned, the video, the confession. Just.
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C
Yeah, Steve, please first react to just the emotional impact of that moment for the Kirk family.
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G
I don't know how the judge can possibly watch the family go through witnessing that and then say, but we're gonna. We're gonna hold you off here for about two more months to try to get the first phase of closure. I just, I like, again, like I said a few minutes ago, there's a line somewhere between conscientiousness and exasperation. And I said that before you told me about this video, guys. And now with this video, we're not. We're way over that line. Like, that line is not even. We're so far past it now that it's not even in the rear view mirror at this point. The judge has already amended himself before when he knew he was wrong. He needs to amend himself again. And it's just very clear here that the Kirk family has deserved at least stage one of closure as soon as absolutely possible here. As for the skeptics and stuff online, again, I've never, I don't ever have a problem with, with people asking questions my. About anything. My issue is, is. And a lot of our institutions, and I know the three of us agree with this, a lot of our institutions are deserving and have worked hard to earn all this skepticism that has been pent up over the last few years, for sure. The question is, where do we go for answers, right? And it would be one thing if these people were just going to, you know, question the official narrative. The other thing, to try to shift the guilt of this crime even to Charlie's widow herself, even as this, and to try to hold on to these narratives as this evidence mounts. It's just particularly reprehensible and despicable and just wicked and evil. I'd say that secondly as well. And then thirdly, I think we have a real teachable moment here just for all of us that do this for a living. And that is when we have events, when there's going to be things like trials, there's going to be things like hearings, evidence is going to be presented. You know, we don't really have to all be in a hurry to be wrong. You know, there's going to be a process and it's going to be somewhat transparent and we're going to get answers. And you don't have to look like a clown. When it's all over, you can just say, you know what? I kind of just want to wait and see what the evidence says. I saw Don Jr say that the other day after leaving the courtroom with Erica. It just, it was very clear, he said now, looking at the evidence, that it was very clear that Tyler Robinson is absolutely guilty. It's okay. It's okay to not know everything, to not have an immediate take on everything, and to just let processes play itself out, particularly something that is as personal and as tragic as this particular circumstance.
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C
I'm going to play this. Local news reporter Heidi Hatch her recounting of this video. Sat 33.
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H
The Tyler Robinson hearing has adjourned for the day and for the entire hearing. The defense finished with their final DNA witness from the atf. After that, the judge allowed the family to view, without it being broadcast, the zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University. The quality was surprisingly high. A lot more detail you could see of the man that is reportedly Tyler Robinson making his way through campus, up and down the stairs into the parking garage and even zoomed in on the roof where you can see the man who was reportedly Robinson lying down into that position before the shots were fired. As that came up on that video, that zoomed in video, Erica Kirk breaking down in tears as well as Catherine, her mother in law, Charlie's mother, clinging to each other, hugging each other as that video played out.
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C
Yeah, So
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B
that's tough.
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C
Yeah. And I, I think about the timestamp too, Steve. You know, just the, just knowing that moment. 12, 23, 38.
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F
I don't, I don't know, I avoid 28 fixating on that.
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C
12, 23, 28. Yeah, it's just it. Anyways, I think we're gonna have Jackson join us and kind of walk through what he saw. So we'll wait for him to join. I want to go back to what you said, Steve, though, because I think it was an important point and that is, you know, you don't have to rush ahead just to be wrong. You know, I was really moved by that statement from Don junior this week. You know, he's, he went on Fox News and he said, you know, I've taken, you know, a lot of income because I haven't been more vocal. Well, now I've seen it and you know, like you said, the evidence is compelling. It's overwhelming. There's a lot of people that have used that word, overwhelming. We're not telling them to use it. I think it's just the Word that comes to mind for a lot of people when they see all of this together. What is the right path forward with people? I'm already seeing some of these comments come out about, you know, hey, I drank the Kool Aid, and I regret that, you know, people. People are starting to, little by little, and I think it's. I think we're going to see more of this, you know, sort of admit that they had it wrong. What should be our path forward?
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G
Well, all three of us represent a worldview that makes it very clear that mercy triumphs over judgment. Now, it doesn't cancel judgment. Otherwise, there will be no such place as a hell. So eventually there is a judgment, but all of us are deserving of it. None of us are deserving of mercy. And that's why it's called grace. So I think that for those who sincerely want to come forward, sincerely want to apologize, sincerely want to repent, first and foremost apologize to Erica and the entire family. I think that they deserve an honest hearing in terms of the integrity and the sincerity of that apology and that repentance. Therefore, by the grace of God, go I. Forgive us our trespasses, Lord, as we forgive those who trespass against us. But here's the thing. Forgiveness and trust are not necessarily the same thing. And I do think there's quite a few people whose trust level through this. I really believe both Charlie's murder and the aftermath of it was the latest in a series of. Of providential siftings that have taken place in our culture. And I think too many people failed this one. And I think this is where humility has to come into play. You know, the arrogance. There's a reason why Gnosticism was the first heresy in the history of our species, because it appeals to our vanity and it appeals to our narcissism and our egos. And the idea that you have the secret knowledge, that you have the secret sauce, that you know the stuff that nobody else knows. You even speak in code. You use terms like Zionist and fed slopes like they're conjunctions and sentences, right? You know, the secret handshake. This stuff absolutely appeals to our vanity and our narcissism and these devices right here in our hands. You know, 30 years ago, when you saw the tabloid in the supermarket, you might have picked it up and looked at it out of fascination. But then when you saw the frowns of everybody in the checkout lane next to you, you just kind of smiled nervously and said, can you believe this stuff? And put it on the counter and walked away. Because you were worried about the public shame of indulging in that. But this now takes that element away. And we can all be anonymous and we can all do this a million times. And, and now captains of industry who would never even pick up such materials in a, in a supermarket checkout lane 30 years ago are now seven pages deep into a Reddit forum, you know, on, on a break they didn't have scheduled, and an appointment they had to put off because they can't tear themselves away. And I think that this was a very painful lesson that I hope a lot of people learned. And then I think that you're watching other people just flat out just demonstrate frankly, that they're just demonic and satanic influences and I think ought to be treated as such moving forward.
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C
Well, we have a couple of these examples, Steve, go ahead and throw up. The first one that somebody sent me this, but says, I would like to admit I drank some of the Candace Kool Aid and now I feel so gutted for ever believing Erica had anything to do with it. And there's actually a second one here that I just found if I can get it loaded here for us. Oh, never mind. That's, that, that's the wrong one there. I just, somebody sent me another one, but I put it in the wrong file.
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F
I think what you said is really good, Steve. And we have to, we have to acknowledge a lot of people are very open to unconventional stuff. We live in a low trust time when trust in authorities and institutions is lower, and that makes stranger ideas more appealing. People like to do their own research and such. But we have to acknowledge that there's room for people to come back on side. There's room for people to say I goofed it up. But I do think we need some perspective that we have. If you're a, if you're a voice, if you have a platform, you have a moral obligation to show good lead leadership. And I think there will be people who will try to just sort of quietly move on from this. They'll maybe stop talk, maybe they were pushing this and they'll just quietly stop talking about it, or they'll just make a brief up. I was wrong. And I really do think that the evidence in this case was so clear for so long and so all encompassing that if a person is, who had a platform is going to come back, I think there has to be some expectation of not merely acknowledging that they were incorrect, but I think they have, as you say, they have to apologize and say, I was not just wrong, I made a Error. I did something. I did something. I think more I made a moral mistake going this far down, and I have to try to atone for that. And that might be. I have to acknowledge I maybe am not a platform that someone can trust unless I really put an effort to undo this.
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C
Well, but I think this has an opportunity to be another piece of Charlie's legacy, because throw up this other one. Janelle. I watched several of Candace's podcasts. I was one of the people who believed Israel was somehow involved. It was extremely convincing, and I do not blame anyone for believing it as I did. Lesson learned to wait for actual evidence. I will never make this mistake again. I regret it. And I stand with Erica, like, these are just starting to pop up on social media right now. And, you know, so I think if we as a movement can build up antibodies to some of this, I think that would be really positive. And I have. People have my sympathies. I have entertained conspiracy theories, certainly. And why wouldn't I, after Covid, after the Hunter Biden laptop, after all this crap that's been stuffed down our throats. I totally understand that sometimes, you know, giving proper scrutiny to an official narrative is the right position to take, but there is a far difference. There's a huge difference between that and then take turning around and recklessly accusing innocent people of wrongdoing, of heinous, heinous evil acts when the evidence is right in front of you. And so I think one of the drumbeats of this is, what is the evidence? Where is the proof if you can't prove it? It's not enough to go off vibes and like speculation and innuendo. You cannot do that. No healthy society can operate and exist in that framework 10,000%.
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G
Listen, Christianity is not the endless asking of questions. In fact, the first time the enemy shows up and speaks in prophetic history, he uses the following phrase. Did God really say. That's literally his. That's his line. That's his pickup line to Eve. Did God really say, okay, so we're not into. We're not into the endless asking of questions. We're into the ceaseless seeking of answers. All right, so our worldview says to ask, seek, and knock. To get answers. To get answers. I couldn't. I can't tell you how many emails I got to my own show. I can't believe. Steve, you would believe the official narrative and everything else on this, and every one of them, I tried to write them back. Guys, there's going to be hearings. There's going to be a trial. We're going to see the evidence. Why don't we just let it play itself out so that we know. And I didn't begrudge anybody who didn't want to believe anything until I got to court. Where I got really pretty pushy in the pushback is when now you've got alternative theories based on absolutely nothing that are just clear biblical, violating clear biblical mandates against the tormenting of widows. And, and what's went on here with Erica for the last six to eight months. It's the most wicked and vile thing I've seen in my entire lifetime. I mean, it's just literally a main line from hell itself. It's just wicked. It's just, it's unnatural really, is what it was. Like I felt, I felt bad being in the presence of it. Like it made me, it made my skin crawl. Like, I shouldn't be listening to this. I shouldn't be watching it. I, I shouldn't be subjected to this. I should turn away. That's how. Just pure pitch black. This is.
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C
Wow. Wow, really well said. Somebody this week told me it was one of those one liners that kind of like, you know, stops you in your tracks and just said, Erica Kirk is the most defamed person in human history.
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G
She's certainly on a list. She's certainly maybe the most famous most defamed person in the history of the English speaking world. What's been on and for what, for being the dutiful wife of the, of the, of, you know, the most high profile martyr in the history of our world. This is the most viewed murder in the history of our world. And I. But there's a missing piece here I want to make sure we hit. This all transpired, I believe, because of what happened after Charlie's murder. And that is the most viewed proclamation of the gospel that this world has ever seen. And that's the first time in all my years, in my 23 years walking with the Lord, walking, coming out of that memorial was the first time I thought there was a real chance we might be able to unite around first principles as believers. And so I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the, the enemy said, oh snap, can't let that happen, and mobilized as fast as he could. Like I mentioned, Don Jr recently, earlier here on this talk, I'd be willing to bet you that Don Jr told more people about who St. Stephen was than they've heard in the American church anywhere, Catholic or Protestant in the last 30 years. I'd be willing to bet you. All right, the more church, more people came out of that with more church and more Bible than they have any singular event in the history of this hemisphere. That was like every George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards revival and sermon in, in just one after, in one afternoon. And I don't think it's any coincidence that coming after that then is when the enemy marshaled his forces, particularly ones he had strategically placed, and let them loose right at that time to try to knife us and divide us. And I think moving forward, two things I think we have to learn. One, skepticism. We do need to remain skeptical of things. I mean, as far as I know, I'm the only person that wrote two bestselling books debunking the COVID narrative. But here's the thing. I didn't offer alternative theories or projections. I interviewed witnesses. I looked at data and facts. I didn't just wing it, you know, because I didn't want to get sued by Anthony Fauci and everybody else. So I used often it was their own data against them, their own assumptions against them. And I think this brings me to point two. There's a thing, there's cynicism, which is against a biblical worldview. If your, if your worldview begins with the premise that God supernaturally intervened in human history to raise a dead man to life, then cynicism is not permitted for the believer. But there's healthy skepticism. There's healthy skepticism when you are in the age of the judges like we are now, when everyone does what is wise in their own eyes. And so what is the difference here? How do we know? Well, that gets me to the second point here. When you start, you know, when you start purporting things that just don't line up with common sense. No, no, I don't think. Nancy 42157. If that's even a real person. I don't think you care more about Charlie and what happened to him than his wife. No, I don't. Or his mom or his dad. No, I don't. I don't think you do. And no, I, I, I, I don't think Candace Owens thinks and cares more about Tyler Robinson's fate and his potential innocence than every single member of his family and his high profile defense team. No, I don't. And I think when you're somebody like Sean Ryan and you're asking questions of somebody like this a week before this proceeding, I think you need to ask questions like that, like, hey, has the defense called you up? Have they shown any interest in what you have to say? Have you gone to Utah to all offer, you know, your proffer up your results rather than just sitting there and providing affirmative platforms like this for just absolute raw sewage garbage. And I think when we are defying clear common sense, when you think you care more about the people involved in this story than the people involved in the story, there's a pretty good. It's pretty highly likely that you're engaged in some form of idolatry.
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C
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F
It's so goofy to see this that Sean Strickland is apologizing for it.
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C
Yeah, Sean Strickland, MMA fighter, very much hates Jewish people.
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F
Yeah, very much a out there figure in a lot of ways. I don't even think he'd disagree and like he's seen the light before. A lot of people who ought to know better, I will say, and that's what, that's what pains me so much about this. There's always going to people who believe weird things. We saw that during COVID It wasn't enough to say, oh, obviously they're fibbing to us about this or that. You got really strange stuff about the virus being. I think probably the strangest one I ever heard was that it was a theory that it was all snake venom. And you're always going to have that. But people who have been in media long enough, who have been around news stories long enough, should be able to put two and two together. That the evidence in this case adds up almost to the point where this could be a clinic you would put on in like a criminal justice laboratory to show all the different types of evidence that can be available in a case. Oh, here's your DNA evidence, here's your non DNA forensic evidence. Here's your witness testimony. You have basically every single piece of evidence that could be obtained exists. And if someone is going to take all of that and say, I reject all of it, I just think it's all fake. I'm not going to explain to you how it was faked. I'm just, I'm just going to say it and I'm going to assume assert another completely wild theory that's mutually exclusive with the three other theories that I'm going to run with, none of which have any evidence. That person is acting with ill will. That person is willfully choosing to believe something that is not true because it'll get them attention, it'll get them views, it'll get them clicks, it'll get them money, it will allow them to hurt other people.
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C
So we Haven't.
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G
That's not any different. That's. Pardon me. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Andrew.
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C
Nope. Finish your thought, please, Steve.
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G
I was just going to say, Blake, that the irony of everything you just said is those same people would laugh and mock those who Virtue signaled with their vax cards, their Ukraine flags, their masks in their bios. They're just the other side of the exact same coin as what you just described. They're actually closer together. It really is horseshoe theory. They're way closer together than I think they realize.
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C
So we have this new video. I totally agree with that, by the way. I think the team is loading it right now from Benny Johnson. He also had a chance to look at this enhanced video. We're getting more and more details here, he said. Every moment, every movement of Tyler Robinson that day captured in full quality HD zoomed in some footage in 4K, tracking all his movements. You can see crystal clear Tyler Robinson's face, the license plate number on his vehicle. That was another point of controversy with some of this. The Dodge Charger. There was apparently one of the people in the houses with the ring camera, said they thought it was a bald person with three people. But, you know, instantly we sort of knew in the whole scheme of all the mounting evidence that it was probably just an eyewitness. Kind of got confused about it because the ring camera had the actual stuff anyway. So you can see the license plate on the vehicle, details on his clothing and his actions on the rooftop, and you can time every horrifying detail to the minute Charlie Kirk was murdered. What the public couldn't see was the emotion in the courtroom. Charlie's family sobbing uncontrollably. Erica and Mrs. Kirk Senior's arms. Charlie's father comforting them. Just feet away sat a pale, lifeless, emaciated Tyler Robinson. I'm reading Benny's words. Who stared at the floor with no remorse as he listened to the weeping.
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F
Says Robinson has never once looked at Erica this entire trial. The entire courtroom gasped when the video was over.
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C
Eventually, this footage will be released. It was really tough to relive that day in such gruesome detail. This case is overwhelming. Please pray for a speedy trial. And it's. And to all the tormentors of the Kirk family, you can go to hell where you belong. It's really frustrating, actually, that they didn't release this footage to the public, but
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F
we will get it eventually.
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C
But delay this. They can stop it. I mean, it's good that, you know, Jeffrey Nyman was successful in getting this viewed within the court. Erica and her family complained completely deserve to see this. And, you know, I think Jeff basically said for the sake of processing this, you know, when he was making his comments to the judge, he said, they deserve to see this. They just like, why are we here if this isn't, you know, to actually see the evidence? And he said, they deserve this so that they can process this moment properly. And I'm sorry, heartbroken for them that they had to see that it even existed. But I'm grateful that they got to rip the band aid, see it, and I think it's so important for processing this. And so is there anything specific in that video? Oh, I'm trying to figure out if Jack's going to be joining us in just a second. He did see the video himself. All right, Steve, you are a very thoughtful man, and you understand the difference between pragmatism and pure idealism, something you and I have talked about when it comes to politics. If we're going to rebuild this coalition the way Charlie was doing it, what needs to happen next?
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G
First, I would urge everyone within the sound of our voices to pray that the judge reconsiders putting this off till September 1st. There's no reason why this couldn't be done on August 1st. It's still almost four weeks, three and a half weeks until then. Because I think the sooner that we can get something definitive on this and some closure for the family, but then also for us as a movement, the sooner we can go about trying to answer these questions, because I think we're going to have a hard time answering that question until there's a more definitive outlook on the outcome of this case. Then we'll just see you again in two months.
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C
That's a wild answer you just gave, Steve. That's a wild answer because I agree with you that the fate of the movement that Charlie cared so much about, that he was so instrumental in building is directly tied to closure in his assassination trial. Like, that's a wild thing to just even wrap your head around. Please, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I.
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G
No, no, but. Because it's what's opened up the fissure of what he was holding together is his death in the aftermath of it. And I think the certainty of what caused that death and then the outcome for Tyler Robinson, the one who committed to that cause, I think that's the first step in letting a lot of people. You can already see, just from the volume of notes you guys are getting in right now as an organization, as a show, the amount of people who are like, coming in from, like a fog, you know, from like a spiritual malaise that is clearing up now. Yeah, that's a great analogy. Yeah. Like a spell has been broken here.
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F
Right.
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G
And so I think that the spellcasters have got to be confronted. I think the spellcasters, you got to find out who did so maliciously. You know, one of my favorite lines from Augustine is, there are many sheep without, but many wolves within. And I think one of the things that is that we've done to Charlie posthumously. And I saw this after, when Reagan passed away as well, that you saw the more amicable Reagan, you didn't see the rendezvous with destiny Reagan. They didn't show a lot of those clips. This idea that the guy went from a lifeguard to President of the United States, just dropping quippy one liners all the way and being not a threat to any evil in the world whatsoever. And so there's this idea that Charlie was just this kind of very gracious host of these forums on, you know, on these campuses, and wasn't a warrior, wasn't a general. He wasn't fierce.
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C
Right.
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G
And ruthless when he had to be.
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C
Totally. Steve, we've got Jack. Jack, we just got a few moments here. I know we were wrestling with the tech there. Jack Posobec, Human Events Daily was there today. Jack, you were in the courtroom for this viewing of this. This video that. The enhanced video. What? Tell us what you saw.
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B
Look, guys, I'm not gonna mince words, all right? I'm gonna be blunt because it's. It's. It deserves it.
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H
And.
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B
And I'm just. I'm just gonna say what it was. You see him shooting Charlie, you see him executing Charlie, you. You see him take the shot. And so you've seen the. The video. And Blake, I. I know you were there, man. And it's. It was like watching Charlie die all over again. Seeing this video, this is the. It's the most damning thing I've seen all week for Tyler Robinson with. With the zoom in it, it just changes everything. It's like. It's like watching a completely different video. Because the one that zoomed out, you can't even see anything. This one, he walks up, he.
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D
It's.
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B
I mean, it's just like the officer said earlier in the. I guess it was day one that he walks up over the guardrail, goes down, and you could see him kind of working on something, and it's. You know, I believe that's when he was assembling the rifle he then stands up. He runs very quickly across the bill, the. The gravel roof to the edge. And then when he gets to the edge, you. You see him go down, and he's in the prone position. And it's. You know, they have. They have this clock, like, the time stamp that's up, and it's 1220. I think it's 1221, 1222, when he first gets there. And I'm just sitting there, like, stop the clock. Like, don't. Like. Like trying to will time to stop. Like, don't get to 1223. Like, just don't get to 1223. And he gets to 1223. And you see him take the shot, and he gets back up, and then he, you know, he runs across. And you've seen the. The end of it already where he, you know, makes the jump. But it's. It's all there. It's. It's all there. It's. It's on video. It all lines up. And I. I got. I got very, very angry watching this video in court. I was. I was gripping the. You know, the seat. I think I almost broke my rosary. I just. And to know that Erica and Charlie's parents had to watch this with. With Tyler. And he was sitting right there, and he wouldn't even look, by the way. He wouldn't even look. And I. Someone told me that his own monitor was off. He wouldn't even look at the video as it was being played of what he did. And the fact that he was so close to us.
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G
It's.
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B
It's. It's. It is an unspeakable evil. It's. Since seeing the original video, this is the worst thing I've seen. This is the worst thing I've seen other than the actual video of the, you know, the gunshot itself connecting that. It was. It was very hard to watch. Yeah, it was a shockwave across the entire crowd. And. And by the way, the. The video, you. So you could see him walking up, too. And the video that we can see and this. I need to explain this to everybody
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A
who,
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B
by the way, sorry, I know I'm jumping around. I'm a little. I'm a little flustered. But the video that we see played on that monitor is so much more clear than the video that's on the live stream. When you see him walking around, it's not just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy. It's Tyler Robinson. It's just very obviously when he's there in the red shirt and shorts and he Comes back in all black. It's still, it's the same guy. It's just obviously him. There's no question about it. It's so crystal clear. And, and every single one of these videos needs to be released publicly in its raw form so that everyone can see that I understand, you know, certain things, they're holding back until trial. I, I get all that. Right. But everyone needs to understand it's on video. Okay? It's on video. It is him. Benny Johnson came by today and he hadn't been there early in the week and he said he was stunned because he's been watching the live stream. I'm not, I'm not watching the live stream. And he said he was stunned at how much better the video quality is when you're sitting there and I guess, you know, compression and it's live stream, the quality, whatever, we all know the tech, but it's, it's just, it's very obviously him walking up to that roof and then to know and see, I mean, we all know what happened, but to see it, I mean, it's, it's just playing over and over again in my head.
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C
Thank, thank you for sharing that. And again, my thoughts instantly go to Erica and Kathy and Rob having to see the very moment that Charlie's life was robbed from him. You said, just to be clear, you said that in this enhanced video you can see him taking the shot in the prone position. You see him taking the shot. And I just, I asked just because I'm sure there's going to be questions about it, was there any explanation of how the video was enhanced?
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B
It's just a simple zoom in. It's not, it's not anything other than that. It's just, just literally just zoomed in. It's like, you know, you know how when he first, when we didn't know who Tyler Robinson was and they put out that first video of him dropping off the, you know, the, the awning, I guess, of the LOSI building. It's. Yeah, it's, it's, it's just that it's like the, I guess the five minutes or so prior to that. So it looks pretty similar to that in terms of quality. It's just that same, just, it's just a zoom in process.
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C
I hear you.
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B
You know, it doesn't look like there's any AI upscaling or any of that stuff. It, it literally just looks like a zoom in on. So they took that wide screen because of course that. Looking at everything, but it's just a Zoom in. Just a zoom in. And it's one. It's one of the worst things.
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C
So glad we got the tech figured out for you to tell us that because it was really important. And thank you for being there on the ground with the Kirk family and the whole team being a support. And Steve Dace has been with us all hours. Steve, thank you as well for joining us. And just want to reiterate what you meant to Charlie. And he was always a big Steve Dase fan, and he made me one as well. And now I get to sort of experience that here on the show directly. And it's a total blessing, man. And we just appreciate you and you're a good man and you're godly man. So thank you for everything. Gentlemen. We got to wrap it up here. And for real, America's Voice, thank you for taking this recap special all week long to honor our friend and to do our part as we look for and seek justice for Charlie. And I think it's a really important week. We're going to look back on it and think of it as a really, really important week. And you all have been an important part of that. So thank you to the office audience. We'll see you. We'll see you on Monday.
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