Deport the Third World + What Is An American?

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — “Deport the Third World + What Is An American?”

June 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this packed and fiery episode, Charlie Kirk and his rotating crew (including Blake, “Sean Davis,” and others) tackle a week of major Supreme Court decisions on immigration, dig deep into the contested idea of “What is an American?” with Dr. Matthew Spalding (Hillsdale College), and discuss the intersection of immigration, assimilation, and national identity — all while keeping a laser focus on the urgent state of U.S. culture and politics heading into America’s 250th anniversary. Along the way, the panel takes no prisoners, arguing forcefully for a halt and reversal of mass migration, challenging “paperwork Americans,” and voicing the stakes for the country’s future. Memorable tangents hit on meat policy with guest Ben Spell (Good Ranchers), biblical arguments about borders, and the legislative combat ahead.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Reactions to Supreme Court Immigration Rulings

(03:05–10:35)

• Two Major Decisions: The Supreme Court sided with the Trump administration, allowing it to end Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Haitians and Syrians—a policy that blocks deportations due to emergencies in home countries but has often become indefinite.
• Asylum “Turnback”: The Court approved the Trump-era policy requiring those seeking asylum at the border to remain in Mexico, closing a “gamed” loophole.
• Birthright Citizenship Still Pending: Hosts express deep skepticism for an imminent favorable ruling, but emphasize these victories as “common sense.”

Quote:

“Just because you put a name on them…doesn’t make it legal. These are essentially illegal people. The Trump administration is moving to get rid of them. The Supreme Court had the Trump administration's back. 6–3.” —Charlie Kirk (04:17)

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2. Biblical Arguments on Immigration and Borders

(11:27–16:14)

• Misuse of Scripture: Charlie pushes back against “progressive pastors” citing the Bible to justify open borders, arguing that biblical sojourners were lawful, assimilating foreigners—not illegal entrants.
• Christian Obligation: He draws distinctions between personal virtue and government policy, emphasizing that protecting boundaries and upholding laws is part of Christian duty.

Quote:

“How am I supposed to love my fellow American…if I'm just opening the borders to any third world, opening borders or allowing criminals to prey on them?”
—Charlie Kirk (15:10)

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3. Immigration, Assimilation, and the New Left-Wing Political Bloc

(18:23–26:52)

• Sean Davis’ Take: Bluntly claims that mass immigration without assimilation is fueling “third world” political ideologies, notably helping far-left DSA-aligned candidates in New York.
• Democrat “Frankenstein”: Establishment Democrats thought immigrants would be loyal voters, but now face the rise of unassimilated voting blocs advancing radical and anti-American ideas.

Quote:

“If you go back a year…It was not New Yorkers who were voting for [Mamdani], it was people who had immigrated here…They don’t assimilate anymore…They keep their language, culture, and customs, and they vote together as a bloc. And that bloc is not American.”
—Sean Davis (18:23)

• Denaturalization and Deportation? Davis supports using 1954’s Nationality Act and Communist Control Act to denaturalize and deport those “not loyal to America, who reject everything we believe in”—and calls for a 50-year moratorium on new immigration.

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4. The Immigration Surge: A Threat to National Cohesion

(29:37–35:24)

• Record Numbers: Foreign-born population is at an all-time high; hosts tie loss of national unity to this demographic shift.
• Abortion + Importation: America isn’t just “importing the Third World,” it’s “killed 60 million American babies,” leading to demographic replacement.
• Despair About Assimilation: Even if birthright citizenship stands, the fight must pivot to judicial nominations and legislative solutions.

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5. What Is An American? with Dr. Matthew Spalding

(57:42–74:17)

• Founding Ideals: Dr. Spalding references the Declaration of Independence—a regime based not on race, ethnicity, or birthplace, but on shared principles, law, and a commitment to “self-government.”
• Assimilation: Citizenship isn’t just paperwork; it requires becoming American in values and habits.
• Limits and Challenges: The panel notes the dilution of Jay’s vision (“one united people, same language, same ancestors…”) and the risk posed by rapid, unassimilated immigration, especially from countries with “anathema” cultures.
• Action Steps: Dr. Spalding urges wisely picked legal battles, focusing first on clear-cut cases of violent subversion for potential denaturalization. Warns that overreaching could backfire, but argues that a line must be drawn.

Quote:

“We're not a people based on our ethnicity... There's something different about America, which means those questions you just raised are harder... But there's something about the liberty that is created by the Declaration... an entrepreneurial citizen, a citizen that wants to create things and build things.”
—Dr. Matthew Spalding (62:04)

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6. Meat, Ranching, and American Self-Reliance

(38:40–53:02)

• With Ben Spell (Good Ranchers): Ben tells of leaving a ministry career to found a U.S.-sourced meat company, motivated by faith and patriotism.
• Dangers of Global Supply: Laments loss of country-of-origin meat labeling; the U.S. is flooded with imported beef; American ranchers are aging, selling out, and being squeezed by costs.
• Self-sufficiency at Stake: Ties the decline in ranching to national vulnerability—“Anytime another country is dependent…to feed them, you wind up enslaved.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mass Importation:
  “When you import a bunch of retarded foreign communists into your country and let them vote, slowly, over time, they’re gonna take over your country. And they're starting with New York City.” —Sean Davis (18:23)

• On the Supreme Court:
  “The Supreme Court has successfully, in two different cases today, established common sense in our immigration policy. It’s great. It’s a very good thing.” —Charlie Kirk (08:57)

• On Assimilation:
  “We didn’t even have a ruling explicitly saying it once…Now, even if the ruling is against us, we now have a litmus test. Just like…Roe v. Wade…are these judges that we’re putting on courts…someone who will help us overturn the birthright citizenship travesty?” —Blake (34:25)

• On Policy and Principle:
  “We have to draw a line in the Senate. We can’t even get the Save America Act passed when we have 53 votes in the Senate, which would ensure American citizens are the ones voting. I think they should do it. I think they should challenge every rule, custom, norm. Just draw the line in the sand. Say no more of this foreign tribalism, sectarianism, these foreign ideologies. This is America, baby. If you don’t love it, get the heck out.” —Charlie Kirk (68:13)

• On National Identity:
  “An American is someone who instinctively loves their country, who grows up and comes to know it and knows it in certain fundamentals and basic characteristics…More so than merely just a piece of paper, merely where you happen to be born, that make us into citizens as opposed say to subjects.” —Dr. Matthew Spalding (58:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro and Supreme Court Immigration Rundown — 01:17–10:35
• Biblical Arguments on Borders & Christianity — 11:27–16:14
• Sean Davis: Denaturalization, NYC Politics, Immigration Stats — 18:23–29:37
• Immigration Numbers; The Problem of Assimilation — 29:37–35:24
• Meat, Ranching, and American Supply Chains (w/ Ben Spell) — 38:40–54:51
• Dr. Matthew Spalding: What Is An American? — 57:42–75:35
• Closing Reflections and Calls to Action — 75:35–end

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Tone & Language

• No-holds-barred, Feisty, and Polemical: The hosts use direct, sometimes provocative (often intentionally inflammatory) language; their arguments are unapologetically nationalistic, skeptical of elites/Democrats, and irreverently critical of mass immigration and multiculturalism.
• Patriotic and Reverent: The show balances the “fight” rhetoric with frequent invocations of faith, Founding principles, American farmers/ranchers, and the need to celebrate and reinvigorate national identity.

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Conclusion: Calls to Action

• Reclaim Judicial and Legislative Ground: Focus on nominating/screening judges, supporting legislative efforts to curb birthright citizenship, and demanding enforcement of immigration laws at every level.
• Support American Farmers: Listeners are urged to buy American meat (with explicit plugs for Good Ranchers and policy change toward clear labeling).
• Redefine and Defend “Americanism”: Panelists emphasize that assimilation—not paperwork, birthplace, or unchecked diversity—must be the standard. Discuss the urgency of aggressive, principled action to defend the American national identity ahead of the nation’s 250th birthday.

Memorable Closing:

“Go grill. Support our ranchers and farmers. Support Ben and Corley. They’re worth it…We need to do something. We need to celebrate this country. And I encourage everyone out there to have a great Fourth and fall in love with our country again. This is a great country. Best country in the world.”
—Charlie Kirk and Dr. Matthew Spalding (75:44)

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This episode is a stark warning about the trajectory of American civic and cultural unity, a rallying cry for tighter immigration controls and aggressive defense of national ideals, and an unapologetic assertion of the need to define what it truly means to be an American in 2026 and beyond.

Transcript

[A]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegold investments.com, that is noblegold investments.com.

[B]

all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is June 25, 2026. Welcome to the why Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. How we doing, Blake?

[C]

You know, until you said, why Refi Studio? Cause I remain mic flag less.

[B]

I don't know what the deal is. You should know. There must be a supply chain issue.

[C]

It's not very good. I need a mic flag.

[B]

Anyways. Good to be with you all from sea to shining sea. I was watching the Great American State Fair last night at the kickoff with President Trump. I thought it was beautiful. There was B2 flyovers, F16s, F35s. You got Brooke Rollins, Sean Duffy. You had all kinds of cabinet secretaries there. It was a beautiful display of Americana. I was very happy to watch it. I hope you guys take a look at the great America. Great. What is it now? I'm getting confused. Great American State Fair. Yes. Okay. Anyways, the name is. What the name is. Anyways, there's a lot to be proud of in this country. And can you just imagine for a second if Kamala Harris would have won? It would have started off with a land acknowledgement. It would have been an apology tour. They would have been talking about how systemically oppressive and racist and all this stuff. We don't have any of that. We got UFC fights and B2 bombers.

[D]

It's great.

[B]

It's way better. Way better. Listen, there's. It's a celebration of American innovations. You got jet engines, you got 56 or 150 different exhibits. You got 50 states having their exhibit there, plus the six territories. It's a beautiful display of Americana. I just love it. You got Maha Mondays. So glyphosate had a win in this.

[C]

Oh, they did. They did. And that's what we're diving into.

[B]

Well, partly. I think we should start, Blake, with the big Supreme Court wins.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

On immigration. So we have some good news and we have some bad news.

[C]

We have four cases today. I'd say three everyone would consider a win. And the one is gonna be much, much more divided. Cause we also got the Supreme Court ruling on guns in Hawaii.

[B]

Yes, we did.

[C]

I'll mention that one in passing. Basically, Hawaii had a law that said if you have a legal concealed carry permit, you can't bring it on any private property that's open to the public. They struck that down.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And so big win for gun owners in Hawaii. Big win for gun owners in any blue state where they still do everything they can to block the right to bear arms. But much bigger than that, we had two rulings related to immigration today. We're still waiting on the birthright citizenship 1. And we remain skeptical, but it's important to note when we get wins. So first, the Supreme Court ruled that the Trump administration is allowed to get rid of temporary protected status, specifically for Haitians and for Syrians in the country. Tps, as they call it, means that people who are in the US Illegally, it is established they're here illegally, they are temporarily blocked from being deported because of an emergency in their countries. It's not very temporary.

[B]

Yeah. This is what drives you nuts when you see this stuff. Because they say, well, they're not illegals. They're under TPS protection. They can stay here. They can work all this up. No. Just because you put a name on them, just because you game the system, just because the Democrats basically want to flood the country with third worlders, doesn't make it legal. These are essentially illegal people. The Trump administration is moving to get rid of them. The Supreme Court had the Trump administration's back. Six, three. So here we go. I want to take you back down memory lane just a smidge to February 2024. And let's play this beautiful all timer 29 in Springfield.

[E]

They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame.

[B]

That's right. Not February, actually. I think it was mislabeled debates, wasn't it? I think it was August, maybe July, but that was a great moment. And then full circle. Here you go.

[E]

Side 35, the Supreme Court out with another decision, this time regarding the fate

[B]

of certain migrants living with temporary protected status.

[E]

There are a bunch of them.

[B]

And Shannon Bream joins us again with more.

[E]

Shannon, how do we read this one?

[F]

Okay, so, Dana, we read it as a win for the Trump administration, which has wanted to wipe out temporary protected status for more than a million people who are living here in this country. These cases centered on a number of Haitian and Syrian refugees who were here in the country. And basically what the court has said is that they can't challenge this decision by the Department of Homeland Security, by the administration, that they're the ones who get to make the assessment about whether they leave or not.

[B]

So that number. A million.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, put that in perspective for us, Blake.

[C]

A million in comparison to what? I mean, that's like one in.

[B]

What did you say one in 20 are Americans or people in America?

[C]

No, no. I mean, as the example is, we had about 300,000 people, 350,000 Haitians are under temporary protected status because they gave them it twice, literally. The Biden administration did this. The first one they got under Obama. There was that big earthquake in Haiti in 2011, and then they still had it for that. But then the Biden administration did bonus TPS in 2021 because they had another crisis in Haiti. So anyone who came after that, oh, they also get it. So you had 350,000. That is one in every thousand people in America, roughly, is specifically a Haitian under temporary protected status.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And now all of them are eligible to be removed.

[B]

It's a beautiful thing. And I will tell you so that there was a second win that basically the Supreme Court, same 6:3 decision, and it's the Mullen v. Al Otro lotto, the asylum turnback decision. So explain that one, Blake.

[C]

So that one is that. It's actually a very funny one because it's about technically who has arrived in the United States.

[B]

Yeah, it's definitely.

[C]

And it's because federal law says once you've arrived in the United States, you're allowed to. To claim asylum. And the Trump administration has said if you're at a border crossing point, you have not arrived in the United States, you're just at the door of the United States. And so they say, we're allowed to turn those people around and say we're not letting them in. So they're not allowed to claim asylum. We know the asylum system is 110% gamed. People know there's five, six stories that you give them. I was persecuted for being gay, I was persecuted for my political belief. They know what to say, by the

[B]

way, on that point. There's a bunch of NGOs, and NGOs

[C]

train you in how to game this

[B]

system, train them how to game the system.

[C]

They give them the representation. So we wanna call BS on this and say, we're not going to let you do this anymore. And so the Trump administration has been saying, yeah, when you arrive at your front door, we're turning you around. You have to. This is the remain in Mexico policy, among other things. You remain in Mexico while we consider whether we actually evaluate this. And Supreme Court said that's valid. They're allowed to turn them around at the front door. So one of the increasingly, one of the dwindling means through which migrants have to try to worm their way into the United States and remain long term has been closed off. And so another win. We're getting a win for people in this country illegally getting sent home and people arriving at the front door being turned away. And we want to highlight that because we're aware the birthright citizenship case might not go our way. I think a lot of people expect it. And I want to flag. I know, I hope we're wrong, but I want to flag. Even if that goes against us, all that does is preserve a status quo we've had for a century. And meanwhile, we're making gains. We're making gains.

[B]

Yeah, we are making gains. And by the way, we're. The Supreme Court has successfully, in two different cases today, established common sense in our immigration policy. It's great. It's a very good thing. Obviously, birthright citizenship is the big one. A lot of people were thinking the decision was gonna come down this morning. It did not. So we're looking at probably maybe next week, the week after. Right. That's kind of what we're aiming for. That's the big kahuna. And we need them to rule our way. Even if it's a five, four, we'll take it. And again, I just say to Chief Justice Roberts, a great country would not allow itself to be gamed by birth tourists and foreigners. Dropping a baby off on the other side of a border makes zero sense. Gotta get rid of that. And listen, if we don't get the ruling that goes our way, there are legislative options, but I don't even wanna talk about that. Right now. It's ridiculous we're even here. So what's interesting about this tps, I'm just looking into it more. So, you know, President Trump has been trying to get rid of TPS Temporary Protected Status for Haitians since 2017. It was blocked by a lower court in 2018 until time ran out and then it was restarted by President Biden, as you mentioned. So these are supposedly nonpartisan, just straight down the middle judicial system. They're not activist judges. Oh, yes, they are. It has taken eight years and seven months for the Supreme Court to step in and right the wrong of the activist judges. The black robe tyranny in this country. Eight years and seven months for the president to enact a constitutional executive authority. That's insane.

[C]

It's just such a perfect symbol of how sinister the open borders forces are that you'd create something called temporary protected status, which clearly existed for, like, you're supposed to be deported. Your country got hit by a hurricane. We can't safely send a plane there right now. Something that was supposed to last a week.

[B]

They do this with Somalia.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Somalians, they get this TPS and they get let into the country. These guys are going back on vacation to visit their, you know, cousins in Somalia.

[C]

Will go on. Yeah. That's another thing.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

If you're a refugee in America and asylum seeker in America, neither of those statuses precludes you from just visiting your home country that you had to flee because it's unsafe. So many jokes to this. Else. El Salvador is still under temporary protected status because of an earthquake in 2001. I would note. I love the Salvadoran government right now, but I don't think they need temporary protected status. El Salvador's safer than America.

[B]

Now, I want to highlight a detail here because I know a lot of you in the audience are Christians and maybe you get asked questions about, aren't you supposed to protect the sojourner in your land? Let's talk about this. Let's play cut 26 because I think it highlights this very well. Sat 26.

[F]

City leaders say an estimated 15,000 Haitians call Springfield home. But their temporary protected status, which was extended back in 2020, is set to end Wednesday, meaning many of them could soon be forced to go back to

[C]

Haiti or at least leave the US

[E]

Welcoming immigrants is as important as welcoming Christ himself.

[B]

Okay. That is a common bastardization of the scriptures. Let me explain a couple things. So, first of all, it says in acts that God ordains the nations and boundaries from one man. He made all the nations and that they should inhabit the whole earth. And he marked out their appointed times in history in the boundaries of their lands. So borders are good, right? This is talked about in Deuteronomy 32 as well as Acts 17. Okay? Borders are really, really good. They come from God. God loves order. God opposes chaos. He spoke order into being. In Genesis, he spoke creation into being. All right, so that's first thing. So the Old Testament does talk about strangers and sojourners, but these were not illegal immigrants. These were not invading forces, okay? There's verses like Leviticus 19, love the foreigner as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. In Exodus 22:21, they get cited a lot by guys like that that want to these bleeding heart progressive pastors. Okay? The difference here, if you look at the root word, ger, sojourner, stranger, that was a legal resident who entered lawfully submitted to Israel's laws and often assimilated, okay? That is a very distinct difference, okay, than what we have now. They were not invaders. They were not welfare migrants. They were not lawbreakers. Israel had borders. They controlled their entry. They still control their entry. I would love if we had borders as strong as Israel's are today. And they enforce rules. Foreigners could be excluded or face consequences if they didn't live up to those commands. So these are very, very different things. Okay? Now it says in the New Testament you got to submit to your governing authorities. So if we, as the United States of America, the governing authority that was elected duly by the people, deems that TPS time has run out, you gotta go. Because that's submitting to the governing authorities. That's a biblical command. And there is, by the last point I'll make, there is zero, zero command in the scriptures about requiring open borders or amnesty for anybody. That is not a command at all anywhere within the scriptures.

[C]

It's such a weaponized argument that they will make clearly our obligation towards the poor, towards the traveler. These are individual moral requirements upon us. We have to care for travelers, we have to keep care for the vulnerable. It is very mendacious when, let's just say it, third order people who frankly usually despise Christianity when they try to weaponize this and say, actually this is what you have to structure your entire state around. It would be like saying we are supposed to forgive those who persecute us. We are supposed to love our enemies and therefore the state should not punish any criminals, when in fact it's the exact opposite. The state has to fairly punish criminals. They have to protect other citizens they

[B]

have to protect the people. When you talk about love your neighbor as yourself, how am I supposed to love my fellow American, my neighbor in this country if I'm just opening the borders to any third world, opening borders

[C]

or allowing criminals to prey on them? I always, I find it very important. For example, in, in the Bible, Jesus speaks to Roman legionaries, and he doesn't tell them they should lay down their arms, they should quit their jobs. He tells them, don't oppress the people, so don't extort money from them, don't do violence against them, and be content with your wages. So he's saying, do your jobs properly. And doing your job properly, if you're a Roman legionnaire, would include enforcing the law. It would include protecting other people. It would include fighting sometimes.

[B]

Yeah, and that's a good point.

[C]

That is what good government is. Good government protects the people of your country. It upholds the laws. It sets fair laws. You are not doing a Christian thing. When our nation has immigration laws and we ignore them, we throw them out. We force people to accept a bunch of foreigners permanently into their country on the grounds they are sojourners. They're not sojourners if they're moved permanently into here. A person is not a sojourner if they have moved into your house permanently, they are a new inhabitant. They are a new resident.

[B]

If you meet an immigrant on the street, by all means, be kind to them.

[C]

You should be.

[B]

And then vote for the government that will remove them. That's how I feel, and I think that's how a lot of you guys feel because we, we got. We were suckers for way too long in this country. No more. Thank you, President Trump, and good job to the Supreme Court. We hope you get birthright citizenship. Right next. Okay, we've all been told to eat fruits and vegetables forever, but nobody really explained why. What if I told you that plants have their own nutrition and that it might be better for you than a lot of processed stuff we've added. If nutrition feels overwhelming, it helps to take a step back and zoom out. When you eat whole foods, you're getting what's called phytonutrients, natural compounds your body uses to adjust, repair and to respond every single day. Stresses balance of nature, takes real produce and runs it through a tailored vegetable vacuum cold process that stabilizes that phytonutrition. Their whole health system combines fruits and vegetables and fibers and spice, giving you 47 whole food ingredients. And their phytonutrition is one simple routine their new freeze dried snacks go through a similar process. So your snacks can be whole food based instead of just empty calories. Whole food Phytonutrition plus balance of nature helps you fight the good fight. Save over 30% when you subscribe@ balanceofnature.com Join hundreds of thousands of customers in one simple routine that's changing the world. You can get an additional 10% off your order just by using the discount code Charlie when you [e-mail] that's discount code Charlie for 10% off your order. All right, Sean Davis, CEO of the Federalist, co founder of the Federalist and ex writer extraordinaire. You have been cracking me up, Sean, because you are just, I mean, you're just letting it rip right now and you're reacting to what happened in New York, the DSA sweep, and you've got some spicy takes. But I'll just let you say, what is your take? What happened in New York?

[E]

Yeah. My take is when you import a bunch of retarded foreign communists into your country and let them vote, slowly, over time, they're gonna take over your country. And they're starting with New York City. It's interesting. If you go back a year and you look at Mamdani's election, it was not New Yorkers who were voting for him, it was people who had immigrated here who were voting for him. The actual New Yorkers, the people who were born in and grew up in New York, they wanted someone else. They wanted another actual New Yorker. So I feel like New York is a microcosm, something of an omen, a vision into our future of what will happen if we continue to allow unchecked foreign migration into the country and allow them to take over our elections. Because the reality is when they come here, they don't assimilate anymore. They may have it one time, but they don't anymore. They find their home communities here in the US they keep their language, they keep their culture, they keep their customs, and they vote together as a bloc. And that block is not American. So if you are horrified by what you're seeing in New York City, there's only one solution. And the solution is we have to stop this insane mass invasion of foreign migrants into our country. And we need to stop it now before we lose the country entirely.

[C]

I'm finding myself totally amazed. I saw, I can't remember who said it, but a tweet. This is my last day voting as a Democrat in New York because I'm so upset by the direction the party has gone. And I know you're rolling your eyes, I'm rolling my eyes. Where all we can think is every single thing the Democrat Party has done for the past 50 years essentially has been every attempting to bring this about. You have decided to bring in the third world. Did you think you are not bringing in third world political ideologies, which is going to include anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti private property, anti Semitism, anti white people? That was all brought in. That all existed 50 years ago. What did you think was going to happen?

[E]

Yeah, and it's kind of amazing. I watched Dan Goldman, who is this, this actual Nepo baby who lost his primary, he's an heir to, I think, jeans fortune that his grandparents earned, bought himself a seat in Congress and thought that he could protect himself by being super duper anti Trump all the time, no matter how deranged and delusional it was, and by just voting for, again, unchecked mass immigration. And the problem that I think these Democrats are starting to realize they have is that when they allowed all these people in, they thought these people would stay kept. They thought that these immigrants coming in would understand that they're just very small clients within the Democrat Party. They were there to vote with the coalition. They weren't there to make decisions for it or lead for it. And so you have Goldman there, who has been sponsoring and pushing this stuff all the time, suddenly shocked to learn that, wow, all these people we brought over here because we thought they would be helpful with the Democrat Party and they actually want to be in charge now. And that's not how this was supposed to work. They were supposed to understand that we were going to get to be in charge and they were just going to be our little pets. And so it's just a fascinating thing to watch among the Democrat establishment to now they're basically Dr. Frankenstein and they're realizing that their monster is more powerful than they are and they don't know what to do about it.

[B]

There's a tweet here from Stephen Miller, who I know, Sean, you and I both have an admiration for. He tweeted out, he said half of all college graduates in New York City are immigrants or from immigrant households. So when observers say college grads in New York City are embracing communism, this is not a homegrown phenomenon.

[C]

And he points that out because people have tried to say, if you look at the demographics in New York, it was young people, college graduates, they were the ones who were driving the communist thing. It's not the traditional Hispanic Working class. That's been the bedrock of the Democrat Party there. And so people are saying, actually no, this is just, this is white liberals who are driving this all. It's not an immigration thing. And as he points out, it's just, it's fictitious. They're trying to have it both ways here. It is 100% immigration related that we

[B]

have imported foreigners, we have imported third worlders and we have imported their grudges, their tribalism and their backwards ways. That's a fact when you look at New York City and these are the chickens coming home to roost. And yeah, this is another point that a lot of people are making is that they were willing to stand by with all the anti white bias, all the anti white racism, and now Dan Goldman can't even get served coffee at New York City because he's a Jew. They now have turned on him. The eat me last Democrats are finally paying and I think it'll be interesting to see what. I'm not happy about this, by the way. I don't think this is a good thing. Nobody should be excited that this is happening in New York, which should be America's greatest city, the city that gave us Donald Trump. Right. This is a terrible, terrible omen that portends terrible, terrible things for the country in years to come. So what do we do now? Sean, you have some. I saw you retweet an interesting take and I'm curious if you stand by it. We can show it. It's from Aesthetica where it's talking about the 1954 Nationality act and Communist Control act of 1954. What do you think of this? Do you think this is a viable solution?

[E]

Well, I actually think our solutions are very simple and easy. The people who came over here and lied when they took the oath of citizenship, people who have dual loyalties, people who are not loyal to America, who reject everything we believe in, they need to be denaturalized and removed, period. If you are a communist, you are not allowed to be a citizen because you are against our entire way of government. You cannot come over and take honestly the citizenship pledge with two fingers crossed behind your back while you plot or demise on behalf of communism. So that's, number one, they all need to go back. And then number two, you just close the border. And I don't feel I'm being unreasonable when I say, you know what, let's close the border for, I don't know, 50 years and let's see what happens. Let's see what happens to our country when we Say, you know what, this country is just for Americans. It is for, as the founder said, our posterity, which means our children, our descendants. So I don't think it's a difficult problem. Mechanically, it is very easy. You round up the people who are communist subversives and you send them all back and then you stop letting people in. Now the problem is that actually takes a fair amount of courage and spine and testicular fortitude, which sadly is an endangered species in Washington D.C. because between the two parties, the Democrats are just all in on the invasion and then the Republicans are largely a bunch of cowards, with a few exceptions. So what we need is actually a steel infusion into the spines of Republican members or they need to be sent packing as well. So it's a simple solution. Mechanically. Getting there is the difficult part. Getting Republicans who actually have balls in the spine is the difficult thing we have to face right now.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I love this idea though, because a lot of these people, there's three of them, are probably gonna be headed to Congress. Right. So fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization, that's a group.

[C]

Dara Liza Chevalier, she' the Haitian Muslim convert. Yeah. Founded a group that says they're fighting for the eradication of Western civilization.

[B]

If you are fighting for the eradication of Western civilization, per that aesthetica tweet that you retweeted, can we denaturalize her? Can we send her packing? And the whole. Just to make sure I'm being clear about this idea, it's saying denaturalize and deport them using the Immigration Nationality act and Communist control Act of 1954. They're completely within their rights to do this. It will create a national scandal that will force mainstream Democrats to defend these radical communists, which they do not want to do. They want to ignore them. Most importantly, it sets a precedent and severely hampers the long term plans of the DSA Communist left, which, by the way, Politico had an article this morning saying they're coming for 2028. Do you think the country could handle this national scandal of denaturalizing and deporting an incoming congressman?

[E]

I don't think it's whether the country, you know, politically can handle it. If you have gangrene in one of your limbs, can you handle allowing the gangrene to metastasize and take your whole body? Amputation is very painful. It's not particularly fun, it seems to me to be better than dying of gangrene. So, yeah, A lot of times if you talk to people who have had cancer. Chemo is really, really crappy. Radiation is crappy. It's better than the alternative. And we have allowed our country now to be so taken over by this that now the entire body is at risk. And so we have to make the decision, do we want the body to die or do we want to do the hard and maybe painful things that have to be done to save the body politic? I think that's an easy answer. I want to save the country, I want to save America. I want to save our political body. And, and that means doing things like sometimes you have to cut off the gangrene limbs if you want to save the body.

[B]

I'm thinking right now of Hasan Piker, a man who has called for capitalist blood in the street, who was born in the United States and then was raised in Turkey and now is coming back and he's pushing a lot of this garbage. He's called for the death of conservatives. That's what we have. That sounds gangrenous enough to me. Sean. I want to show you this graph. This is the foreign born numbers and share are higher now than at any other time in American history. We go back from 1850 to 2025. This is from center for Immigration Studies. So we have 53.3 million foreign born. I think that number is low, actually. And we're talking about the super centennial, I think is what we are or whatever versus 1976. And we've talked about how in 1976 it felt like the entire country put aside its partisan divides. There was actually a lot of political tumult in 1976. There was a lot of controversy, but the nation still came together. It felt like one nation. Massive, massive celebration. And this time it does feel different. I love the celebration, just to be clear. I love it. And I think everybody should throw their whole hearts into it and celebrate this country's 250th. But if you look when that happened, it was at a time when we had approximately the lowest in history number of foreign born people living in this country. And there's a reason the country felt more united. There was a reason the country felt more cohesive. And this is what we've done to ourselves since basically the 1980s. Look at that graph. I think this graph should be pinned on everybody's feed and we should have it framed in the office. This is not the way to run a country, Sean.

[E]

No, it's not. And there's an additional fact there. You know, since 76 in those 50 years, we probably murdered conservatively 60 million American babies. So not only did we import the third world and import in the rest of the world's religion and customs and cultures and languages, we started killing our own people en masse. And so, of course, we're a transformed country now. We are absolutely not the country that we were in 1976 or 1986 or even 1996 or even 2001. I mean, even. Even after 9, 11, everyone understood that. How awful. That was Democrat and Republican. Now, that detente didn't last all that long. But we were all united in understanding this was bad. And you can't have something in this country. We now have people in the Democrat Party saying America deserved it. So we're not the same country. And it's not something that happened accidentally. It was a very deliberate subversion of our culture and our history. It happens through immigration, through mass importation, and it also happened through education, through the university system, where we have university professors, many of whom are literal terrorists who were put in prison for bombing places like the Capitol. We have those people telling students America is uniquely bad. The nation that ended slavery, by the way, a human institution for thousands of years, the nation that ended that is actually bad because it tolerated it for a very small amount of time. So the message we have been having crammed into our heads for 50 years is that America's bad. We're all a racist. Anyone can become American, let the world in, and if you disagree with that, you're a racist xenophobe. And then we act shocked that somehow we are in a completely transformed, radically different country where half the country hates it, half the country wants to dissolve it, and the other half is left wondering how the heck did we get here?

[B]

Yeah, I think we've stopped wondering how we got here. I think we've identified the root cause. And it happened without anybody voting for it. It happened with any Americans feeling like they had a say in was basically heart cellar. And then it was the 1990 Immigration Act. And until we get serious about an immigration moratorium, to your point, let's do it for 50 years. Let's see what happens. Let's see if we can do a net zero. You could still, by the way, with net zero, you still get 200,000 a year because you're leap. And what net zero is just for those at home who maybe don't know is we have a net outflow of Americans that go choose to live in other countries. Rosie O' Donnell Ellen DeGeneres they leave and we say sayonara, don't let the door hit you. We have about 200,000 of those every year. So you could still replace the ones that leave. We could bring in geniuses, okay, From Western Europe or maybe Japan. I would take some of those. Okay. But here's the thing. Net zero immigration moratorium would be a huge boon to the country. It would give time for us to get our house in order again, to get culturally assimilated again, to digest this huge meal that we have been forced to take over the last 40 or 50 years. Now, we had two Supreme Court decisions that kind of addressed some of these issues. We were wondering in part one of the show here earlier on, whether you think this is a good omen for birthright citizenship or a bad omen. Do you feel like the Roberts court is basically saying, hey, we're gonna see. Look, we're giving you some wins on immigration, basically to pull the rug out from under you on birthright. What do you think's gonna happen, Sean?

[E]

I'm not expecting a favorable outcome on birthplace citizenship. I wish it weren't so. To me right now, a miraculous victory would look something like the Supreme Court saying that Congress has to define what's subject to the jurisdiction of means under the 14th Amendment, which would mean that they would punt to Congress the authority to say whether, you know, aliens who just happen to be born here because their parents were here for five seconds or citizens. That would be a legislative, political decision. I would view that as a massive victory given what we're dealing with on that court. But I don't expect that. I'm expecting a 7, 2, maybe a 6, 3 decision that says if you're a Chinese Communist who comes over here pregnant for the sole purpose of dropping a baby so it becomes American and can maybe one day be president. Obviously that's what we fought the Civil War for. I expect that to be the John Roberts decision. I expect to see from John Roberts a decision that says America fought the Civil War so Chinese Communist birth tourists could come in and drop babies that are magically citizens and can run for president one day.

[C]

I am very worried that is the ruling we're going to get. But I was talking to Andrew before the show. I. I would consider even that as crazy. It sounds an improvement over what the status quo was because we've had for a century. It just treated as the unquestioned default of law that we have total birthright citizenship. We didn't even have a ruling explicitly saying it once. Well, first of all, we've had an administration try it. We needed to have that happen. And now, even if the ruling is against us, we now have a litmus test. Just like for decades we were picking judges and we could basically say, will this be a judge who would help us overturn Roe v. Wade, which we eventually did. Now we can say, are these judges that we're putting on courts, district courts, appeals courts, eventually the Supreme Court, are they someone who will help us overturn the birthright citizenship travesty? We need to take that step to get there. Even if we don't get there all at once now, we will be getting closer to an outcome that we need to have happen.

[B]

I just. You're probably right. Everybody that seems to know and follows the court closely, which I know you and Molly do at the Federalist seems to be leaning this way. And I just cannot for the life of me understand how they could rule that way. I cannot look at the facts. I cannot look at the debate on the Senate floor when they were drafting these, the 14th and 15th amendments. I cannot look at it and understand the rationale at all. And I think that's why it's so infuriating. I mean, when they rule on that, it will be. I worry for the country. I worry that a lot of people aren't gonna take that very well because it's so insane. Sean Davis from the Federalist. My friend, good to see you. I'm glad to have you back. You were traveling, so it's nice to have you back stateside, my friend.

[E]

Thank you. My friend.

[B]

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[D]

My mom calls me Benjamin.

[B]

Yeah, there you go. Benjamin Spell. Make sure we change that on the

[C]

spell, especially when you're in trouble.

[B]

Exactly. Founder and CEO of Good Ranchers, one of our partners here on the show. But I love having you in. You had long conversations with Charlie, you and your wife Corley, who had a really remarkable, miraculous recovery from cancer. I mean, if you haven't seen that episode with Charlie and Ben and Corlee on, you guys should go go check it out. I think it's on YouTube and rumble. You can find it there. It's a tearjerker, I will just tell you. But you guys are great Christians, you are great entrepreneurs and you have a love of this country and you have a love of America's ranchers and farmers. And we are so honored. And I mean that because, you know, I mean that because we've talked, you know, offline that you are standing with our show, that you partner with us and we want to stand with you and we want to stand with America's ranchers. So why don't you just tell just briefly how you started this company because I think it's a really cool story.

[D]

Yeah. So about a decade ago, in the 15 years leading up to that, I was in full time ministry. From the time I was 19 to my mid-30s, I was a worship pastor and grew up playing piano and guitar and grew up in a family full of pastors and, and very musical family. And so I just kind of went that route and felt called to ministry. And somewhere around in my early 30s, God just put on my heart to not take a salary from the church. And I worked at the. By that time I was working at a really large church in Texas, like 20,000 member church, running the whole music department.

[B]

Everything's bigger in Texas.

[D]

Every Texas man and so absolutely loved what I did, but God put on my heart to not take a salary from the church. And so I started praying and thinking, okay, well what does that look like? What else could I do? And then I started having ideas of a meat company which made absolutely no

[B]

sense because it's so out of left field.

[D]

It was very out of left field, but it was recurring and it just kept coming back. And I kept telling my wife, someone should do something about this. Didn't think that someone was going to be us. But for the sake of time and the story. Fast forward about a year from that first conversation. If someone should do this. I was getting ready for the church I was working at and it was a Sunday morning. We had just had our first baby boy. He was about six weeks old. And I started thinking about it again, and I heard the voice of the Lord and he said, you do it. And it was like, you know, Saul Damascus Road type moment for me. And I came out of the bathroom and I went to my wife, Corlee, and I said, I think God just told me to start a meat company. Even though he said, you do it. But, you know, I just paraphrased as we do, thinking she was going to look at me and say, we just had a baby, we don't have any money, we don't know anything about meat. We don't know anything about running the business. But she looked back at me and said, if you heard God, then I trust you. And a few weeks later, I was selling meat out of the back of a truck in a parking lot in Waco, Texas.

[B]

Well, that's how you started, right? You were doing all these pop up meat shops, basically, which is a wild way to start. And then you turned it into this huge business where you get these beautiful boxes of meat delivered straight to your door. And the team makes fun of me, but I'm always talking about the chicken nuggets. He loves the nuggets. When you got little kids, you love chicken nuggets because it's like some nights you just need to get them fed and get them so. And they have no seed oil, no antibiotics. Gluten free Chick Fil A doesn't even have no antibiotics. And there's a lot of. You don't want to talk about the oil there either.

[D]

Yeah, no, no, no. We're really proud of the, of the quality that we're able to source and provide. And you know, again, I don't have an mba, neither does my wife. We weren't planning on being business owners, but we made the decision. It was two things. So we started in 2018, like I said, selling meat in parking lots. But we learned in 2019 that there was no country of origin labeling law for beef or for pork in the US and that most of what the consumer is buying, most of what's being sold in the grocery stores and being sold in the US is actually coming from Mexico, South America, other countries. And with no transparency of labeling. And when we learned that, we drew a hard line in the sand and said, we're only going to support American farms and ranches. We're only going to source domestically from the US and and so we made that shift, we made that shift in 2019, moved into 2020. Covid happened. We were still, you know, by that time we had like 20 trucks going around the country doing those pop up shops. And then we made the decision to, to get online post Covid and got online in 2021, going into 2022. And it's just, it's been, it's been amazing to see when we've been the fastest growing meat company the past five years in the US and people ask us all the time like, how did you do it? How did you do it? And honestly, the, the, the real answer I give is it really hasn't been us. This was God's plan. We're just the vessel that he's using. But it's been an amazing thing to see the amount of jobs that we've been able to create across the country for Americans and the amount of farms and ranches that we're able to support through what we do at Good Ranchers.

[B]

Yeah, that's kind of the way I look at it. Not only do you provide a great product, I mean, when you get these boxes, I just want to say they're beautiful. The branding is beautiful. It's packaged so well. The meat comes like fresh and it's frozen and it's like, so it's a great product. And by the way, the product has become exceptional. Like you have, you have improved the product over the years so, so much. Because I remember when you first started out there was, you know, you were learning the business. Right. It's incredible. But what the real beauty of this is not only great Christian family, patriotic family, and we just love the smell family, but it's. You're an advocate now for America's ranchers. Yeah, you are, you are their voice, you know, in a big way. You are making sure that they have a place to sell their product.

[D]

Sure. Yeah. And again, things that I would have never thought I would see my life in my life doing 10 years ago. But just last week I spoke at National Cattlemen Convention in South Dakota in Rapid City, South Dakota. And I'm like, but it was amazing. There was hundreds of local independent farmers and ranchers and good ranchers exist to connect the American family to the American farm. And right now we're being just flooded with imported beef, flooded with imported meat.

[B]

Can you elaborate on that?

[C]

What's driving that?

[D]

Well, there's no country of origin labeling law. But prior to 2015, there was. In 2015, we just quietly removed, like the shirt you wear says what country it came from. The plates you eat on say, you know, made in probably China, Taiwan. Yeah. And. But the fruits, vegetables, all of that stuff has to say where it came from. But the beef and the pork that you buy in the grocery store does not have to say where it's coming from.

[B]

That's just.

[D]

That's the way. There's no country of origin label.

[C]

I guess they probably just say that. Maybe they only have to say where they packaged it. Or did they even have to say that?

[D]

Yeah, just. Yeah, it just. We're at whatever USDA plant it gets packaged in, it gets it. So it gets a USDA seal. And most people just assume this must be. This must be local or this must be coming from here.

[C]

Tyson or whatever. And they just said, we'll bring the beef to. I know. We have everyone in Sioux Falls. I know.

[D]

So, yeah, everyone is importing beef, packaging it and selling it to consumers, except for good ranchers.

[B]

And we're going to take that up with USDA Sec. Brooke Rollins, because that's obscene. Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. Charlie knew that. Turning Point still knows that. And TikTok has always strived to. To build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection, and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other. When ideas meet respect, good things happen. On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name. Or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real. Goodranchers.com, american meat delivered. You have a special promo code for them right now?

[D]

Yes. Starting today for 4th of July, use promo code FREEDOM and save 17.76% off your order and get free meat for the next 250 years.

[B]

So explain this, because we talk about free meat. So you get to. Like, when you buy your box, you put your box together, you throw on an extra.

[D]

Yeah. Right now you can pick either ground beef, bacon, chicken breast, or chicken nuggets. To receive free for the life of your subscription for the next 250 years,

[B]

the team will not be surprised.

[C]

Does the computer database have the 250? Like is it ticking down from 250? I need to probe at this because what if we have life extension to

[D]

your children and your children's children?

[C]

God bless you. I'm looking forward to the day where someone's 250 years of meat expired. Someone's like, why am I not getting this anymore? It was a 250 year thing.

[E]

You're on year 251.

[B]

Year 251. So you are an advocate for America's ranchers and farmers. So explain why the price of meat shot up so high. Because this is actually. President Trump was under some political pressure to basically bring in foreign meat to drop the price again. So what do you make of that whole thing?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, again, this has been years and years in the making of not prioritizing American farms and American ranches. And I mean they really have been, they've really taken a back seat the last decade, the last 10 years. And the problem is when you continue to squeeze and continue to squeeze, they get to the point where they just can't operate. Farming is not a life of luxury. I mean they, they do it because they love it, they're passionate about it. I mean, I've spent so much time with, with, with these families that I mean they, they almost every time start tearing up because they're so passionate about these animals that they raise in this, this land that they're life that they have.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And, and it's just, I mean, the cost of fuel is up, the cost of feed is up, the cost of everything is up. And with the, like I said, almost 4 billion pounds of beef being imported with no transparency. If the American consumer went to the grocery store and saw a ribeye that said born, raised and harvested in the USA and one that said born and raised in Mexico processed in usa, they would pick that. Yes, they would pick the American one every time.

[B]

At least a lot of us would. A lot of us.

[D]

No, the statistics say it's like 90 something percent. Yeah. I was at the North American Meat Conference just a few months ago and that was a statistic. American sourced is the number one thing that consumers are looking for before organic, before everything.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

American sourcing is the number one thing they're looking for. And the problem is we don't have that transparency the way our laws sit today.

[B]

This should be changed like tomorrow. It really should. We took a little why are they not.

[D]

We took a little bit of a step in the right direction. You might have heard of the administration through rfk, and they brought back product of USA label in January of this year. And it's a step in the right direction, but it's not even close to what fully needs to be done, because what they've done is now there's a voluntary country of origin labeling. So you can say it if you want to, but you don't have to. So that's. Which it doesn't fix it.

[B]

No, it doesn't fix it at all. Well, and so you're saying that the average. You said this in the break, that the average age of a rancher in America now is 62 years old. So not only that, but a lot of them are being forced to sell their land. So part of the reason the price of beef shot up was not only Biden inflation, the cost of everything got way more expensive.

[D]

Not gas, feed, medication, not prioritizing and protecting our own farmers and ranchers from

[B]

this glut of foreign beef.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they're selling the land. So the. The supply of American beef has dropped dramatically in the last decade.

[D]

We're at a. We're at a historical low in beef, in the herd sizes today, and it takes about two years to rebuild.

[C]

So what shrank? So if the herd sizes themselves are shrinking, what's driving that?

[E]

I know.

[D]

Well, demand is up. Demand is high because people. Which. That's a great thing.

[C]

Well, that's like part of the herd. Because prices are high now.

[D]

Yeah, well, it goes to their. They're aging out and they're going. I can. I can just sell. I can sell off everything right now, and. And I might as well make hay while the sun is shining because they don't see much. They don't see much light at the end of the tunnel. But the problem is if when producers get to the point where they're leaving the industry, we're going to look up and we're not going to. We're not going to be able to raise enough food to feed our nation. And you can look through the history of time. Anytime another country is dependent on a different nation.

[B]

We saw that in Covid.

[D]

To feed them, you wind up enslaved.

[B]

That's exactly right.

[D]

That's what happened to Israel.

[B]

But, you know, it's also. There's geopolitical reasons, there's pride of our own country reasons, but it's also the quality of people, the backbone of this nation, the spirit of its people. How do we continue on another 250 years if we don't have a robust ranching and farming community. The bedrock of so many small communities across the country are ranchers and farmers. They need to be protected. The quality of our character as a people will be dramatically decreased if we do not have a huge agricultural community in this country.

[D]

And the current administration is working to help with that. I mean, just a few months ago, they had the largest gathering of farmers and ranchers at the White House in the history of the U.S. yeah.

[B]

Brooke Rollins, I just want to say she is passionately defending America's ranchers and farmers. I don't know why this rule hasn't been changed. She's probably aware of it. But.

[D]

But we need more consumers to be aware. You have to vote with your dollars. You have to shop. You have to buy American.

[B]

Yeah. You have to.

[D]

And you can't be confused by the labels. And now more than ever, we need to stand with our farmers, stand with our ranchers, and support our own.

[C]

This is a bit out of left field. How big a concern is this screw worm outbreak that's happening in Texas? Do ranchers fret about that a lot?

[D]

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And that is, we eradicated the screw worm 50 years ago in the US but with all of the import that we've.

[B]

Is it the importing product or is it the mass migration at the southern border that brought it up?

[C]

They had it blocked below Panama is

[B]

what I remember it was.

[C]

And then Darien Gap, everyone came over the Darien Gap. And now the fly is across the Darien Gap, too.

[D]

Yeah. Because again, because we're importing so much beef crossing across Mexico because another way the law reads, again, there's so much, there's so much convolution in all of it. But even with the product of USA, the, the way that it was is beef can be raised in. Raised in Mexico and then they can just cross them over the line into the US and then get product of USA on them.

[B]

It's so frustrating. If you want to support America's ranchers, there's a great way to do it. It's goodranchers.com support Ben and Corlee as they support our American ranchers and farmers. You guys are advocates for them. And I just, I'm so honored again to. Because you're good Christians, you're good Americans. You love this country. You love our ranchers and farmers. We have your back a thousand percent. So go right now, please. If you're watching or listening goodranchers.com use promo code freedom for 17. 76% off.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is very good. It's very Charlie, by the way.

[D]

4th of July next week.

[B]

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[G]

It's good to be with you again. How are you?

[B]

We're great. I mean, besides the fact that the commies are taking over America's formerly greatest city. So the question is, what is an American? What makes an American? And everybody seems to have a different opinion on this. And it's not just paperwork. I'm sorry, I don't buy into this idea that you are a paperwork American. That's what we have too much of. We have birth tourist Americans. We have naturalized citizens that hate us. So what is an American? What did our founders believe?

[G]

I think part of it is we've got a great opportunity here to recover this meaning. I've done a book on the Declaration of Independence. We just. The Senate has now passed a resolution that's not going to the House to reaffirm the Declaration of Independence. We're going to be on our 250th anniversary here. Coming up very quickly, here's an idea. That document by which we first declared our independence from Great Britain announced us as a people. And as a people we have certain things we argue that are self evident, that are known to be true and that's a basis upon which this regime is created. Well, that has an implication for indeed I would argue actually defines the baseline of what an American is. The precursor question is a people. Why are we a people? Well, we're clearly a people because we share a history, we share a place, we share common experiences, we share ancestors over time in most cases. But there's this other additive that makes us a people, which is a dedication to these principles. That's what America makes America unique and exceptional and different. Which tells me that anybody in theory, in principle could be an American. This was Ronald Reagan's old line, you can't become French, but anyone could be an American. But it also tells me another thing. Immigrants who come here must do so based on consent that is inconsistent with our first principles. So there is a niche sense of what an American is. I think today we've been so shaped by kind of a subjective personal view of everything that we think that citizenship is whatever you want it to be. That's not the case. We're a regime, a regime dedicated to these universal ideas which are beautiful, but it's a particular regime based on the rule of law and those are laws to which we consent based on those universal principles. So an American is someone who instinctively loves their country, who grows up and comes to know it and knows it in certain fundamentals and basic characteristics. But more so as a free government, as a self governing people, a citizen who's someone who comes to reflect about the importance of those things. What are the rights that are protected? Where do they come from? Why are they important? Why should we respect rights of other people? The rule of law? Why is that important? Those are the components that really matter and that we learned. We come to reflect about and learn them and inform us more so than merely just a piece of paper, merely where you happen to be born, that make us into citizens as opposed say to subjects. That's crucial, it seems to me.

[B]

I totally agree. I was looking at John jay, so our first Chief justice of the USA. Cuz this question is. I hear what you're saying, Dr. Spalding, I do and I agree with all of it, just to be clear. But this question gets really tricky when we start talking about the heritage of certain Americans. Right. So this is something I saw from John Jay, first Chief justice of the usa he says Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people. A people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. This country and this people seem to have been made for each other. I can't say that now because we don't come from the same ancestors, we don't speak the same language, we don't profess the same religion. These are the tricky parts of this question.

[G]

Yes, no, absolutely. That's from Federalist too. John Jay and Federalist too. It's a great essay and I think that there are some very complicated aspects. Religion being one of them, ancestors being another long experience because of so much of our population growing amount have become here so quickly and fast they've not had time to assimilate. Those are deep problems, don't get me wrong. Deeply concerned about them and especially if they're coming from cultures that are anathema or very unfriendly to Republican government. The rule of law is very dangerous. Having said that, the question still is how do you make people Americans? And this is a question not only for immigrants, but for our own children and those that are raised here to become active citizens. And we have to figure out ways to encourage formation. We have to figure out ways, which is why protecting religious liberty is important. So we have a flourishing of substantive religion and churches. We have to be mindful of those things which are taking root here that are in violation of our principles. I mean, religions are cultures that demand their own laws. Things like that are problems. But again, why are all those things brought together? What is the secret sauce, if you will? And that really is the argument found in the Declaration, which is, we are not a people based on our ethnicity. We're not a people based on our race. We are not a people based on the fact that we can or cannot trace our lineage back to the. The Mayflower or to George iii. There's something different about America, which means those questions you just raised are harder. Granted, Tocqueville recognized this in democracy in America. But there's something about the liberty that is created by the Declaration that comes forward in the Constitution. There's something about the joining of local groups and the diversity in America that actually creates a certain type of citizen, an entrepreneurial citizen, a citizen that wants to create things and build things. So I think that bulwark, if we can protect that and keep that and then allow for the continue to protect religious liberty and all the other institutions who create the kinds of things you're referring to, that strikes me as a good recipe for rebuilding citizenship. I think we can't just lament the fact that things have changed, even though they have, and I do lament them. We can't throw in the towel based on that. The question is, how do we rebuild it? And I think there we actually know the ingredients. The founders laid them out for us throughout our history. Those ingredients were pretty clear. And it's only a late been going a different direction.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting because Elon Musk tweeted yesterday and it said, anyone who hates America must be removed from America. What would our founders have done? What kind of cause? It strikes me as we've got people now that are gonna be coming to Congress that are advocating for the eradication of Western civilization.

[G]

Right.

[B]

I don't want them in my country. If I'm just being very blunt, what would the founders have thought about somebody like that?

[G]

Well, I can tell you one thing the founders were very clear on is that any someone who's coming to America and they discuss this in their concerns about immigration, if they're coming from a place, another country, another form of government, and advocating a different form of government, say socialism or communism, that rules them out. As for American citizenship. So there are lines here that if they're being crossed, are deep, fundamental problems. Of course, the additional problem there is we're teaching more of that in our schools directly, but. But there are lines that can't be crossed here, and we seem to be crossing them, and that's very problematic.

[C]

And I want to flag, because we mentioned the J tweet, but there's other quotes from the founders. They're all very uniform on this. Alexander Hamilton himself, not born in America, I believe he was born in. Yeah, he was born in the Caribbean. And he says the safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment, on a uniformity of principles and habits, on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice, on that love of country invariably found in those closely connected with birth, education and family. We need to have people aligned together. And part of this, I think it's not even just that they have to like our form of government. I think it's almost. He's saying we have a limit on how quickly we can bring people into this country. We've talked about the need for maybe a. A pause just to digest all the people who've come here.

[G]

I think those are all legitimate possibilities. A pause given that we're being overwhelmed by it. But what it points to, and that's a great quote, is there's an underlying thing that has to be done. Someone can't really come here, pass a test and be an American. You have to become an American. You have to be made into a citizen. Same for kids in our K through 12 schools. It takes time, which means the policies in the system have to have. Allow for time and encourage that to come into being. This, for instance, is why I think language, a common language, is an element of citizenship. That's extremely important. If we ignore all those things, we're essentially writing our own death certificate. We will destroy ourselves as a people.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

Yeah, they should be.

[C]

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[B]

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[G]

Well, r. As Merle Haggard famously said in one of his songs, if you don't love it, leave it.

[B]

That's right. Exactly. Amen. Merle Haggard, great American.

[G]

But here's the. So the denaturalization, I think, is a legitimate option. We've tried to push this before. I remember in years past, this comes up. It is a legitimate option. What I would suggest is that we find a clear case. For instance, someone who has gotten American citizenship and actually now is violently trying to overthrow the government. There are those cases. They can be found. You got to find a test case. You got to win on something that can clearly win. Do that first.

[B]

Any test cases come to mind? I mean, some of these. So, for example, there's the Aber Kawas or whatever that is saying that we deserve 9, 11. She is the daughter of illegal immigrants. Illegal. They were.

[C]

I believe her father was deported. She blamed the cruelty of our immigration system. And he actually apparently committed fraud.

[B]

Imagine that.

[G]

Here's what I would. From a legal point of view. I would find a case that's not about what someone said. Something that can be argued about, and they can. Oh, that's. It didn't really mean that I would find a case which there are out there where someone is, say, collecting weapons, where someone was trying to coordinate the bombing, say, of the president at the recent fight. Were those guys immigrants?

[B]

I think the ringleader was an illegal. Yeah, I think it was a dream.

[G]

Find a case where it's impossible to take another position and say this is open to interpretation. So I would go to something very strong concerning that. But, you know, here's where I thought you were going when you said me to get ready. There is a DC Our campus here that I'm ahead of is in Washington, D.C. the Democratic primary was just won by a socialist. So the next mayor of the national capital is going to be a socialist. That strikes me as opening some new and interesting opportunities here. The District of Columbia is not a state. It is completely under the subject of the power of the Congress, but also the executive of the country has lots of authority and could actually exert national leadership and take over the city to prevent that from happening. Then you have this question about what's going on in New York. The Constitution, in section 4, article 4. Section 4 of article 4 is something called the Republican guarantee clause. The Constitution says that every state will have a Republican form of government if they so lift their finger to try to change the form or advocate change in the form. I think that triggers some new authorities, which creates some very interesting options. I think we need to do some of these things. We need to be very aggressive about it. But I will advocate and strenuously underscore. We need to do it in a way that will create some wins and pick our cases and pick fights, because there's nothing worse than picking a fight and you just completely lose it. And things are actually worse because they'll respond on free speech, they'll respond on perhaps even religious protections. We've got to make this clear. And where there's a clear threat, a clear and present danger in an actual case of potential terrorism, that changes matters. The President can protect the nation's capital as a matter of national security, cannot be run by a socialist. That's a different question than say, oh, they just advocated bad ideas which we think are at anathema. So I just, you know. Yes, I agree, but be careful in how we do it because these are various dangerous grounds and we've got to go forward in a way that will win these cases.

[B]

Yeah, noted. I think the caution's well placed, but I think we have to do something

[G]

pretty that I agree with that I agree with and we should be. I'm hoping that the right people are thinking these things through and putting these options.

[B]

Yeah, it's time to pick a fight. I just, I mean, you know, I'm reminded of Braveheart where, you know, I've come to pick a fight. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. Cause like.

[G]

Yeah. And we need people.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[G]

No, we've crossed a threshold. This is no longer the kind of progressive liberalism, you know, arguing about whether they have values and this kind of thing. We've crossed a threshold here. There are now people being elected who actively advocate opposing the government, overthrowing our system of government and other radical steps that I think are different from. This is not just the, you know, the liberalism. This is not even merely postmodernism. These are not a bunch of nihilists

[B]

who believe radical revolutionaries.

[G]

These are people who believe something, are dedicated, willing to die for it if that's that. We've got to draw those lines and make those lines very clear. Because as soon as this opens the door, California, other states are going to go this way. And pretty soon we got a. We've got a much more of a problem. And if you get to the point where you're like France or England,

[A]

it's

[G]

pretty hard to save that country.

[B]

Well. And so listen, in no particular order, we need stop this legal migration invasion. We need to stop importing cultures that hate us. We need re migration, we need mass deportations. We need to redouble our efforts on all these fronts because these. And by the way, I am completely behind what Charlie said, that on the macro, Islam is incompatible with the United States in our form of government. They like Sharia law, they like conquering. It's a conquering political ideology. Right. This cannot continue on. We have to draw a line in the sand and make bold, controversial decisions to save the future of this country. If we're going to get to 250 more, we've got to start living up to the Founders ideals in these ways. Dr. Spalding, amazing to have you and I love what you said and I take it to heart, we've got to pick our battles wisely, but we must pick a few of them.

[G]

But also we need to celebrate this country. And I encourage everyone out there to have a great fourth and fall in love with our country again. This is a great country. Best country in the world.

[B]

Amen.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

Our glass is certainly half full. I agree with you there.

[C]

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