Stop and SAVE to Win in '26 + Iran's Plan

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – “Stop and SAVE to Win in '26 + Iran's Plan”

Date: July 23, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests/Contributors: Andrew Marlowe, Blake, Tom Sauer (ex-Navy EOD), Oren McIntyre, Alex

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Episode Overview

This episode covers two central themes:

1. The recent passage of the Stop Insider Trading Act with provisions from the Save America Act, its implications for the upcoming midterms, and related concerns about election integrity.
2. The evolving US-Iran standoff, with fresh analysis on military strategy and Middle East policy, as well as a discussion over controversial new provisions in the US-Israel defense relationship.

Additionally, the show explores debates around the WNBA and women’s sports, critiques the rise of Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), and discusses trends in left-wing coalition building.

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1. Legislative Wins & 2026 Midterms: The “Stop & SAVE” Package

Timestamp: 01:39–09:34

Key Points

• Stop Insider Trading Act passed in the House: bans congressional trading of certain investments (though not selling), covers immediate family, adds transparency and penalties for violations.
• Voter ID Provisions Added: Republicans attached Save America Act measures—requiring voter ID for federal elections.
  • Critics claim this is a “Trojan horse” and will not survive the Senate, but supporters argue both aspects are common sense and necessary for public trust.
• Political Stakes
  • Populist energy surged after Trump’s 2026 State of the Union, especially around anti-corruption and election integrity.
  • If Republicans fail to actually deliver these reforms, panelists warn of a backlash in the midterms.
  • Notable quote:
    “If they manage to talk about the Save Act all year, all of 2026, and then not pass it, they're gonna get whacked in the midterms and they'll deserve to get whacked.” —Blake [03:58]
  • Debate over Senate prospects, filibuster reform, and the need to force Democrats to take clear up-or-down votes.
  • Comparing the difficulties of getting these reforms through regular Senate rules vs. reconciliation procedures (“the birdbath”).

Insights & Tone

• Tone: Frustration with Congressional gridlock; repeated calls for Republicans to be proactive and stop “omnibus” legislative bundling.
• Strategy: Urges immediate action on judicial appointments/vacancies, tangible wins (like “Stop & SAVE”), and symbolic victories over “elites.”

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2. Election Integrity & Non-Citizen Voting Concerns

Timestamp: 14:17–17:53

Key Points

• Discussion about New Jersey’s revelation of 6,600+ non-citizens found on voter rolls (potentially much higher).
• Senator Elizabeth Warren confronted about the scandal, claims, “It is already illegal for someone who's not an American citizen to vote, period.”
• Criticism of the “honor system” in states with automatic DMV (motor voter) registration, where checking status is complicated or forbidden.
• Notable quote:
  “It's the honor system... in 19 states they have the automatic DMV voter roll, right? The motor voter rule. And in those 19 states, illegal aliens and non-citizens get driver's licenses.” —Andrew Marlowe [15:50]
• Concerns about decentralized election systems making abuse easier and hard to prosecute.

Tone & Insights

• Tone: Sarcastic, alarmist. Emphasizes need for practical safeguards, mocks Democrat arguments of “no evidence.”
• Strategy: Republican messaging should focus on making Democrats take clear, public stances on election security.

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3. Iran’s Strategy & US Military Response

Timestamp: 20:09–36:50

Key Points

• Guest: Tom Sauer (Ex-Navy EOD) provides in-depth military analysis.
• Current Strategic Picture:
  • Despite stasis in headlines, Iran’s power projection is extremely limited.
  • Ongoing US-led blockades and strikes erode Iran’s military infrastructure, targeting missile sites, coastal provinces, and supply lines.
• Iran’s “Mosaic Plan”: Distributed command structure across 31 provinces; makes “decapitation strikes” less immediately effective.
  • Notable quote:
    “Iran wants to play this out, drag it out as long as possible… Their goal is to drive up prices. Right. You know, particularly of oil… Their goal is to have a loss of the House and/or the Senate in November.” —Tom Sauer [21:03]
• Trump’s Approach: Considering larger strikes (“even bigger than Operation Epic Fury”), likely focused on Iran’s coastal provinces to secure shipping lanes and deny nuclear advancements.
  • “The President’s policy is a head for an eye.” —Marco Rubio [24:35]
• Proxy Conflict: Houthis, backed by Iran, have begun attacking Saudi shipping in the Red Sea, demonstrating the regional complexity.

Insights & Tone

• Tone: Analytical, sobering. Sauer distinguishes between media narratives of stalemate and the complex, ongoing erosion of Iran’s real capabilities.
• Key Insight: US strategy aims for containment, targeted escalation, and “more pain” until Iran is forced to negotiate under disadvantageous terms.

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4. Congress, Defense Appropriations & US-Israel Relationship

Timestamp: 37:15–53:23

Guest: Oren McIntyre

Sections Discussed:

• Section 219: Allows US-Israel defense logistics, technology, and cyber integration (not a full military merging, but much deeper partnership).
  • Concerns: Israel regularly spies on the US; integration could create dependence and eliminate US redundancy.
• Section 622: Mandates intelligence sharing with Israel unless President specifically asks Congress to stop—removes Article 2 presidential authority.
  • Notable quote:
    “This is bad for America and Israel. This is bad for sovereignty across the board.” —Oren McIntyre [47:03]
• Bureaucratic Entrenchment: McIntyre and hosts argue these measures insulate the US-Israel alliance from future political changes, potentially undermining both US and Israeli sovereignty and compromising democratic accountability.

Political Debate

• House and Senate disagreements mean these measures still face hurdles.
• Rising anti-Israel sentiment among US conservatives discussed, but framed as a rational policy critique—not antisemitism.
• Notable Moment:
  “You are not either for or against. There are multiple spots in between where you can still be for Israel, for the Jewish people, but point out legitimate criticisms…” —Andrew Marlowe [51:47]

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5. Women’s Sports, the WNBA, and Cultural Debates

Timestamp: 54:48–64:11

Key Points

• Sophie Cunningham (WNBA): Makes a public stand against allowing biological men in women’s sports—receives derision and is labeled as a “MAGA Barbie.”
• Debate Over Transgender Athletes:
  • Panel mocks the controversy, supports Cunningham for “common sense” and bravery.
  • Point out that the WNBA’s media coverage focuses more on political/cultural controversy than sports.
  • Notable quote:
    “Isn't that the logical one? Isn't anyone who refutes that kind of retarded?” —Alex [64:18]
• Discussion detours into sports fandom, with jokes about the level of play in the WNBA compared to men's leagues or even high school boys’ teams.

Tone & Insights

• Tone: Irreverent, combative, dismissive of progressive positions on the issue.
• Broader Point: Argue that “woke” ideology is dormant, not defeated.

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6. The Rise of DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) and Left Coalition Woes

Timestamp: 66:04–72:52

Key Points

• DSA’s growing prominence, especially within the Democratic Party, concerns guests who see the movement as both radical and demographically narrow.
• Notable quote:
  “[DSA is] a bunch of overeducated little white turds who think they know more than other people know.” —James Carville, quoted [66:04]
• Discussion of race politics on the left (“no diversity in DSA rallies”), and internal contradictions within the leftist coalition (pro-LGBT and pro-Islamist stances).
• Republican candidate Mike Rogers (Michigan) seen as likely to benefit in the Senate race against a DSA-backed radical.

Strategic Insights

• Panel notes apparent incoherence in DSA messaging as a short-term weakness for Democrats, but warns this energy can still be dangerous for America’s future.
  • “They can be pro Islam... and pro LGBT... because both are things that allow you to destroy America.” —Blake [72:04]
• Emphasize the importance for conservatives to capitalize on these divisions and run strong candidates.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Speaker | Quote | Time | |------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Blake | “If they manage to talk about the SAVE act all year, all of 2026, and then not pass it, they're gonna get whacked in the midterms and they'll deserve to get whacked in the midterms.” | 03:58 | | Tom Sauer | “Iran wants to play this out, drag it out as long as possible… Their goal is to drive up prices. Right. You know, particularly of oil… Their goal is to have a loss of the House and/or the Senate in November.” | 21:03 | | Marco Rubio | “The President’s policy is a head for an eye.” | 24:35 | | Oren McIntyre | “This is bad for America and Israel. This is bad for sovereignty across the board.” | 47:03 | | Alex | “Isn't that the logical one? Isn't anyone who refutes that kind of retarded?” | 64:18 | | James Carville | “It’s a bunch of overeducated little white turds who think they know more than other people know.” | 66:04 | | Blake | “They can be pro Islam... and pro LGBT... because both are things that allow you to destroy America.” | 72:04 |

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Additional Memorable Moments

• Paralympics Powerlifter as a Metaphor for Congress: Used humorously to lampoon Senate GOP inaction. [13:07]
• Trump as a Cultural Fixture—Even in Sports: From WNBA to FIFA and Spanish World Cup, hosts repeatedly cite Trump’s outsized influence. [62:14–62:46]
• Closing Reflection:
  “Evil never sleeps. Woke is not dead. It's just sleeping. ... The fact that Megan Rapinoe goes on there and says that men, you know, banning men in women's sports is an attack on women. That's how crazy these people are.” —Andrew Marlowe [63:44]

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Conclusion

This episode showcases the show’s unapologetically conservative stance, blending substantive policy and legislative analysis with irreverent humor and culture war narratives. The hosts push for strong, populist Republican action before midterms, warn of the dangers of bureaucratic entrenchment in US-Israel relations, and argue forcefully for election integrity. The culture war is never far from the spotlight, whether debating female athletes’ rights or mocking leftist identity politics. The episode is peppered with insider analysis, pointed criticism of both political parties, and rallying calls for grassroots activism.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Marlowe]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Tom Sauer]

Here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Marlowe]

all right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is July 23, 2026. I'm at the remote. Why Refi Studios. Blake is holding it down in Phoenix. How are we doing, Blake?

[Blake]

I'm doing great because I'm at the real. Why Refi Studio with.

[Andrew Marlowe]

You got my mic flag. You got my mic flag.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's.

[Blake]

No, no, listen, it's on my microphone.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Well, let's not quibble over the details here, Blake. We actually got things passed in the House yesterday, but of course, because it's D.C. and because this is America, it can't be without controversy. And I am of course referencing the new bill, the Stop Insider Trading Act. Now, this was something that President Trump had floated at the State of the Union. Massive applause, massive populist energy behind things like this. It is very clear the American people do not want Congress trading based on insider info, based on where the government's going to be spending money, where regulations are going, what's coming out of committee. We do not want them using that information to then enrich themselves. And a lot of people, we. We all eyes were on Nancy Pelosi. Of course, she voted against this. But there. The controversy here, Blake, is that House Republicans attached aspects of the Save America act requiring voter ID on federal elections to this. So critics are calling this a Trojan horse. They're calling it a partisan sham. My question is, why wouldn't you just vote for both? Because both are very common sense people. Pieces of Legislation. Nevertheless, it does pass. And I think this is a positive step in the right direction. Is it everything I want the bill to be? No, I actually think there were stronger versions of this bill. But first reaction to it getting passed, then we'll go through some of the specifics here, Blake?

[Blake]

Well, I just, what I would say is I've been around the block on this and I don't think Republicans are going to get any kudos if they can't get a Senate to pass these things and if they can pass a ban on stock trading, if they can pass pieces of the SAVE act, both things they can do if they get rid of the filibuster to do it. You could call it stop and save. It sounds like a gas station. So you pass stop, you pass save, you lower gas prices. And that would be a pretty good message for the midterms. But they've got to actually pass it. And I'm worried. I am worried the critics are right that they attach the SAVE act stuff so they can make the bill sound more good for red meat conservatives. And then they also know it will not pass out of the Senate. And it pains me to say that only because we've been around the block all year on this.

[Tom Sauer]

Come on, Blake.

[Blake]

Here's my reaction. My warning to Republicans is this, that if they manage to talk about the SAVE act all year, all of 2026, and then not pass it, they're gonna get whacked in the midterms and they'll deserve to get whacked in the midterms.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But here's. So there is a difference of opinion here. I've been texting and calling all of my contacts in the Senate. It feels very divided. There are glass half fulls guys that are saying this will pass the birdbath, which is again, the parliamentary rules of the Senate, how you can pass certain things through a 50 vote threshold as opposed to a 60 vote threshold threshold. Reconciliation is the process that that's called. So we'll see. Some think it won't, some think it will. I'm hearing both sides of that. So I choose to be an optimist today, Blake, because they actually moved something through that is common sense that the American people want. I will. I was in the room, Blake, during the State of the Union when President Trump first floated this idea. And I will tell you that the energy and the exuberance and the clapping, the applause for that moment was huge. Then we got all distracted with Iran and people forget about that moment. But coming off the State of the Union was a huge, huge populist, domestic, wonderful vibe shift that we desperately needed in this country. And this was one of the key pillars. And why do I say that? Because we have populist energy. You got to give the people some of these things in order to get excited to come out for the midterms. Okay. This is one of them. Let's talk about what the bill does and what it doesn't do. The bill bans purchasing covered investments. So that would be stocks of publicly traded companies and comparable derivatives. So it bans the purchase. It does not ban selling investments. So you can sell it, right? You can sell it if you're already holding it. It requires 7 to 14 days public notice before a sale. Okay. That's a good thing, right? I think this is actually a common sense compromise, applies to members, spouses and dependent children. So you can't just like give the stocks to your kids and then have them do your bidding. But no, no, no, that doesn't work. It imposes fees for violations, force sale of improperly purchased stock. So if you do it wrong, they're going to make you sell it. Okay. So you don't get to have all those. And they're going to impose certain fees. It excludes certain funds. So you can still trade mutual funds, all of those types of things. ETFs that just basically follow the, the larger indexes. All of those things I think are really good. These are common sense measures that we've all sort of been wondering, why haven't they been in place since now again, I'll just say there was certain acts in the past, Blake. There was the Ethics Acts or the Honest act, which aimed for full bans on holding, trading individual stocks with divestment requirements and coverage. So that doesn't happen, but it does build on the 2012 Stock Act. So these are positive steps in the right direction. But you're absolutely 100% accurate here. The proof is in the pudding. The rubber meets the road in the U.S. senate. The question then becomes, can we get this through the parliamentarian? That is the question. Trump is called to fire the parliamentarian. It's a Democrat. At least that's what the. I actually think that that's not the right, proper, proper course ahead. What we need to do is we need to do what Senate Senator Mike Lee has been proposing, which is the talking filibuster. Make these people stay in D.C. no August recess. None of this garbage. Do the work of the American people. Make them outlast you make them put their name on the record, say yay or nay to this stuff. Because I think if they say if they vote no, then the egg is on their face, and that can only help us.

[Blake]

And that just needs to be the Republican approach on a lot of things. Every bill we get up seems to be an omnibus bill on everything. And so they don't make Democrats vote up or down on things that could conceivably be unpopular for Democrats to vote against. I think about that a lot on the border. There's so many aspects of border security, of immigration that are basically insane. And so you could introduce a single subject bill to roll that back, you can ram it through faster to force them to get votes on it. And I just don't know why Congress fails to do these things. And you could do it on this stock act, too. Just more people want to see a Congress that feels like it's doing things. And the way they feel like Congress is doing things is not by holding hearings, it's not by holding press conferences. The way they feel like Congress is doing things is that they are voting on and passing stuff. And I just often wonder what's going on with these guys. They aren't even confirming Trump nominees as quickly as they could. Here's the plan. If you want to win as a Republican, the plan you should have is zero vacancies. You should get to election day, midterm day, with zero vacancies on any position that Trump can make an appointment to. All of those people should be confirmed. If you do that, if you have, like I said, the Stop and Save gas station, if you have STOP act pass so that they can say we're doing something populist. We're not enriching ourselves on insider trading, which is illegal for you, but it's been legal for us for ages. If you ban that and if you pass the SAVE act and, you know, if gas prices get lower because of Iran, we'll talk about that up ahead. You have a good message. You can win the election.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah, and I totally agree. And again, one of the issues in this election is going to be the economy, affordability. If you pass this, it's a huge symbolic victory that the elites, the oligarchs, they don't get to enrich themselves and put themselves ahead of the American people. That's why I think this is so important. It's an important scalp to win heading into the midterms. All right, I'm so excited to share with you guys. C15 from Fatty 15, the first first emerging essential fatty acid to be discovered in more than 90 years. It's an incredible scientific breakthrough to support our long term health and wellness. And you guessed it, healthy aging. Fatty 15 co founder Dr. Stephanie Van Watson discovered the benefits of C15 while working with the US Navy to continually improve the health and welfare of older dolphins. Believe it or not, Based on over 100 studies, we now know that C15 strengthens our cells and and is a foundational healthy aging nutrient which helps to slow aging at the cellular level. In fact, when our cells don't have enough C15 they can become fragile and age faster. And when our cells age, our bodies age too. This eventually led to studies finding the first new nutritional deficiency to emerge in 75 years called cellular Fragility Syndrome. Caused by a lack of the C15, as many as one in three people worldwide may have low C15 levels and fragile cells. To help support and optimize healthy aging, a team of doctors funded by the US Navy spent over a decade to develop the pure science backed and bioavailable C15 0 ingredient in Fatty 15. Thankfully, Fatty 15 repairs age related damage to cells, protects them from breakdown and activates pathways in the body that help regulate our sleep, our cognitive health and metabolism. This functionality leads to so many other exciting benefits now and as you get older. In fact, 70% of fatty 15 customers report seeing or feeling benefits within 16 weeks including deeper sleep, calmer moods, better energy and overall improved health. Now that's essential. We're all aging, which means that healthy aging starts from birth. Studies have shown that C15 is a foundational nutrient that supports healthy growth and development in children and supports our long term health as adults. Fatty 15 has three times more cellular benefits than EPA and omega 3. By replenishing our cells with the crucial C15 nutrient, Fatty 15 effectively repairs cells, reverses aging related damage at the cellular level and restores our long term health and wellness. Fatty 15 was developed in support of healthy aging for all from kids to parents to grandparents. That's why award winning fatty 15 is now available as Pure Capsules, Delicious Apple Mint Gummies for teens and adults and Berry Blast gummies for kids. Fatty 15 is on a mission to support healthy aging for all including all ages and stages of life. You can get an additional 15% off their 90 day subscription starter kit by going to fatty15.comkirk and using code Kirk at checkout. I just saw this video. It's kind of related. It's not related to anything but if I saw it now you guys have to see It. Blake, I know you're a lifter. You're a weightlifter. There's a lot of female sports news going on. Oh, Is this Paris 2024? I had no idea. I've never seen.

[Blake]

I think it's. I think it's the.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going to parody.

[Blake]

I think it is the Paralympics at least, so they're probably a little more easygoing. But you see the argument in the notes.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Now you just make me feel bad. I didn't know all this when I was laughing so hard about this in the break. Somebody sent me this. We're going to play it because I think it's the perfect example of the Senate gop. This is a living embodiment of the Senate gop. And then they kick off for. For vacation. You'll see what I mean. SOP 15.

[Alex]

She's going for 145 kilos on this

[Andrew Marlowe]

occasion to solidify that position on the.

[Marco Rubio]

Start.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I didn't know it was the Paralympics. Just to be. Just to be clear.

[Blake]

It's all right. It's all right. Like I said, they're debating in the notes. Other athletes at the Paralympics were completing more full reps. For those of you who couldn't see it, that was a woman at a powerlifting competition, and I'm not even sure her elbows move. She's doing the bench press. And I think. I think the bar literally moves about one inch and it counts as a rep. That definitely stands for our.

[Andrew Marlowe]

That is the gop. Yeah, that is the GOP in the Senate. They think they get a whole month off if they just, you know, don't bend their elbows and then they scream like they've done something great. Okay, I just. We just had to go over that. Here's, here's what's really going on here, though. And I want to get into this because this now is becoming another front in this battle for the Save America act, which we all agree is super important. But let's just hear the Democrats in their own words. Okay. A journalist went and approached Pocahontas Senator Elizabeth Warren and asked about the fact that we now have proof. I mean, there's definitely far, far. This is the tiniest tip of the iceberg. But now we have proof. Out of New Jersey with the scandal unfolding, where we found out there is 6,600 non citizens who are found on their voter rolls. That number is actually higher now. It's 5x higher that we've confirmed. But Senator Elizabeth Warren is now asked about it because there's proof some of them voted. Stop 14.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Hi, just a quick question for you.

[Oren McIntyre]

I know you're vehemently opposed to the same America act, but does the recent

[Interviewer/Reporter]

revelation in New Jersey with the aliens who are actually registered to vote change

[Oren McIntyre]

your opinion on getting that legislation passed?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

It is already illegal for someone who's not an American citizen to vote, period.

[Oren McIntyre]

That's at least 400 aliens that did.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

There are already laws to prevent that. People have violated the law and they should be prosecuted. Easy. Anything's actually going to happen. I thought Democrats always said that there's no evidence. I don't understand why you want laws that are already there. That makes no sense.

[Andrew Marlowe]

But that's a complete straw man argument. It's the honor system. And by the way, in 19 states, did you know, Blake, in 19 states they have the automatic DMV voter roll, right? The motor voter rule. And in those 19 states, illegal aliens and non citizens get driver's license. So you basically have to go in and do an extra step to make sure you don't get put on the voter rolls. It's that big of an issue. And it's all on the honor code because the law says you cannot check the ID during voter reg. So it's a huge issue. Jake Tapper is dropping just pearls of wisdom here on CNN. SOT9.

[Oren McIntyre]

If you're in the country illegally and you get a letter saying that you can vote and you know you're not supposed to, not only you're not supposed to vote, you're not supposed to be

[Andrew Marlowe]

there, why do you vote?

[Oren McIntyre]

Like how do you get registered for a party? I mean, but I just like wonder, like that's some stupid business.

[Blake]

I mean it gets at, it gets at what we've talked about, which is it's about the decentralization of everything. Is that I think part of what's going on. The Democrats, they love the idea, make it super automatic that these people will register, that a lot of these people could, you could practically accidentally register to vote and end up, I don't want to say accidentally voting, but you can imagine these people getting rushed along voting for something, not really maybe grasping the full consequences of it. And they make it so easy throughout the process that it's not like you even need to send an operative to illegally solicit their vote. You just make it so they're automatically registered. You tell people to vote, you offer to drive them to the polls, you offer to provide an interpreter. And if people illegally vote along the way without having to be told to, oh, that's so much the better. They're going to vote the way we. We want them to. And a few dozen votes there, a few hundred votes here, that can get you extra wins along the way. And it's just like mailing all the ballots to everybody. You make it a decentralized process that nobody has to go to jail for, even if it's super illegal, super flagrant, what they're doing.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah. Just imagine just the logic that these people are using. They've heard the details. Now. President Trump did that whole press conference, a primetime address, where we found out there's over a quarter of a million in just a handful of states that are on the voter rolls. In New Jersey, we find out it's over 35,000, actually, and many of them did vote, so the number's higher than 6,600. We have that Trump truth that confirms that. And they don't care. They laugh at it because they say nobody's gonna do this. Well, actually, we have proof that people do it. What we already have. It's already illegal. Yeah, well, it's on the honor system. Yeah. But it's gonna make it harder for Democrats to vote. So how if you say they aren't doing it? Well, because you know black people and you know married women. That doesn't make any sense. Oh, you're a racist. That's how this debate is going. Fine. If they want to go with that line of reasoning, make them do it from the Senate floor and put their name on it. Colorado is at it again, trying to silence free speech. Cause that's what they do. In Colorado, a state law forces businesses to refer to some customers with inaccurate pronouns, even if using them would violate the business owner's religious beliefs or conscience. That's a violation of free speech. But as Colorado has proved time and again, it has little concern for the First Amendment. At Alliance Defending Freedom, they're challenging the law on behalf of a Christian bookstore and a sports apparel company. But a court recently ruled against them, which is a huge, huge problem. With ADF's help, they've appealed and they'll continue fighting to ensure Colorado doesn't get away with this attempt to skirt the First Amendment. Your gift today helps protect free speech in cases like this all over the country. And for a limited time, your gift to the adf, the Alliance Defending Freedom. Great lawyers, great team. It's going to be doubled by a special matching grant while funds last. So text Charlie to 83848. That's Charlie to 83848. Or you can visit them [e-mail] Charlie to have your gift doubled. One more time, text Charlie to 83848 or go to joinadf.com charlie to have your gift doubled.

[Blake]

Alrighty. Well, it's been a few weeks since we've talked about Iran, but the Iran conflict has continued to stop and start and stop and start and have ceasefires and then not have ceasefires. And it looks like we're grinding back towards the direction of a showdown with the Islamic Republic. So we have a new guest on to talk about that. He's a former Navy EOD officer. That is Explosive ordnance disposal, highly relevant to this conflict in the Strait of Hormuz. Tom Sauer, former Navy Lieutenant Commander. He's joining us now. Tom, give us the big picture here. What is the current strategic situation with the US Versus Iran? I'll be honest as a. I don't. It's weird to say casual observer, but it feels like we've been in this stasis point. This, like the same thing has been happening for months on end. Have things been changing in the background?

[Tom Sauer]

Yeah. Hey, and thanks for having me, guys. Huge honor to be on here. Yeah. I gotta say that I can understand why a lot of people feel like this is meant to be. You know, we're just in this stalemate. But I really don't think that's the case. If you consider the fact that Iran now has virtually zero power projection right now outside towards its neighbors, aside from perhaps molesting shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, which is continuing to be less and less and being diminished day by day, you are all, you're now also seeing the strangulation again of the blockade against Iran, which is going to, you know, that's not meant to just squeeze. It's not meant to squeeze the people per se. It's also meant to persuade, to squeeze the infrastructure, the actual power structure of the Iranian leadership. So, you know, look, a lot of people are very anxious about this in terms of like, does this mean we're going to go take Carg Island? I think that there are options on the table out there that do not involve any sort of a forever war or something like Iraq or Vietnam. I'm not seeing anything like that. But also, I think it's important to point out that Iran's strategy here, if I were the Iranians, I would probably follow the following strategy. And frankly, I hate to be the one to say it, but it's the same strategy that the Democrats have. And what I mean by that is that Iran wants to play this out, drag it out as long as possible, shoot, stop, say, you know, they'll get, get beat up a little bit more. They'll say they want to talk. Then they're going to say that we can't control some of the military commanders in our provinces. They're going to lash out again, go back and forth. And with their goal is to drive up prices. Right. You know, particularly of oil, which, you know, as we all know, translates to prices everywhere else going up. Their goal is to keep those prices up, keep this dragging out, which obviously won't necessarily politically bode well for President Trump in the midterm elections. And their goal is to have, you know, a loss of the House and, or the Senate in November. And then once the, and then, you know, once the Democrats were to take power in Congress, their goal is that the funding would get cut and we would be forced with some situation where we have to start leaving Iran alone. So that's what I mean when I say that the irgc, the, you know, Hamas, Hezbollah, who are funded and supported by them and the Democrat Party all have the same goal right now. And I know that sounds a little overly partisan, but it's just objectively true.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah. And I think that's actually right. I think we've all gathered that their ability to project strong military power at this point is greatly diminished. I sort of was curious how, you know, there remains, Tom, a bunch of these military sites yet to hit. Cause that's what we're hearing. We're hitting their radar, we're hitting their missiles, we're hitting their drones. I, I was under the impression that we had destroyed more of those. So I was surprised that there are still so many targets left to hit. Nevertheless, that's what we're doing. I want to play some clips here from Marco Rubio, who's kind of going viral this morning. And then I, I'm hoping you can take us inside the decision making structure inside the White House. Who are the players and what are they? What kind of positioning do they want? Right. Is our, is JD still advancing the piece? Is, is Rubio somewhere in the middle? Does Hegseth want to go really hard? We'll play this really quick. Sat 2.

[Marco Rubio]

I saw, you know, guys, I saw Arachi, their foreign minister, who the other day say or something about their policies, an eye for an eye. The president's policy is a head for an eye. I mean, honestly, that's what it's going to be. I mean, they will pay a very heavy price for the Things they're doing, they're already paying a very heavy price. You guys don't know it because you don't cover it. You're not in Iraq, you're not in the street, they don't have a free media, but they're going to continue to pay a very heavy price.

[Andrew Marlowe]

And he goes on and this is something called, I've been texting with a bunch of people the last week and I've heard this phrase come up a number of times, the Shia bravado. That's what they call it, Shia bravado. He kind of references it here Sat 7.

[Marco Rubio]

These people do a deal, they either break it or after they make it, they want to change the deal. So they're probably not ready to do a deal yet, but they will be soon because the price they're paying is very high. Despite their tough times talk and their flowery language and their stupid Lego videos they put out, I've never seen them, but they put these things out on social media. Despite all that bravado, they are suffering tremendously and they're going to suffer more until they come to their senses. They're not there yet, unfortunately.

[Tom Sauer]

Yeah, I think there's a lot to that, right? There is. Well, yeah, just the reaction I would say is yeah, there is a lot of that like bravado as you, as you talk about because you know, so much of it, it's like a lot of other cultures, non western cultures, it's a very like face saving type of a culture and remaining defiant. Now one thing I'd say that when you mentioned earlier is a lot of their targets hadn't been hit yet. One thing that I think is really interesting to point out is the Iranians were at least smart enough because look, a lot of people think these people are just, you know, dumb and uneducated. That's far from it. They are, you know, their leadership is quite fanatical. But one of the things that, that you guys and the viewers shouldn't realize is that they knew that if they got into a real conflict with the United States as they have, that most of their conventional forces or conventional navy would go away. They knew that, right? Like they lost their ships, they lost their, you know, their, what few submarines they have, they lost. Now granted they've got conventional ground troops, but that's, you know, that's not really a threat to the region. So what they did and they knew that was going to go away, but what they did invest a lot of time and effort and money into is a lot of these hidden missile sites, launch sites, storage facilities, they're the so called, you know, mosquito fleet, which what we call fast inshore attack craft, fact fiac, you know, a lot of that. And so and also keep in mind the coastline of Iran is about roughly the same length as California. It's a lot of real estate. And it's also pretty craggy and mountainous along most of that coastline. So you can hide a lot of things in there. And one thing as well, I think it's safe to say that the Iranian coastline along the Persian Gulf and along the Strait of Hormuz is probably some of the most heavily surveilled in the world right now. So we are watching at all times and I think you're going to start seeing that the future attacks are going to get fewer and further between because every time they make a move, we see it and will most likely hit it or be able to hit it. So that's one of the things that I think between that and addition the blockade and also I've been told, I haven't given any of the details, but there are other options on the table for the President to force a deal or, and it may be a deal that's not a great one for them, but they have no other choice to accept. But all that said is the Iranians pursued what they call their Mosaic plan. And I'm not sure if you or your viewers are familiar with this, but in 2003, when they saw Iraq get absolutely pummeled and the Saddam Hussein's government taken over in a matter of weeks, you know, like, say what you want about the occupation of Iraq, that was obviously a mess. I participated in that. But we did take out their convention, their government and their conventional military very quickly because we did decapitation strikes, destroyed all of their command and control communications and they were blind very quickly and it was over soon. So Iran saw that and they said, oh crap, we need to be able to plan against something like that. So what they did with their Mosaic plan is Iran has 31 provinces and each province is essentially its own Command and Control C2 node, right where they have their standing orders. They know what they're supposed to do in case they get into a big shooting war with America or whomever else, but in this case America and they have their own, I guess you could say, self contained military fighting force. And so what we're doing now to counter that is you've seen some of the infrastructure we've been hitting is to cut off and isolate. There's Three provinces, Bushir, Kunsas, and I can't remember the name of the other one, I apologize, that are along the coast there and basically cutting them off in terms of power, rail, bridges, roadways, to make sure that they are completely isolated, because those are the biggest threats to American shipping. And even though the actual firepower power projection capability against merchant traffic is relatively low, the issue, though, is that insurance companies don't want to underwrite it or they make the premiums too expensive.

[Andrew Marlowe]

No, I think that's all really, really smart analysis. I think the question then becomes, you know, because I keep hearing, you know, Trump wants this done, which leads me to believe that he wants a really, really forceful strike. It kind of makes me think back to, you know, isis, where he unshackled the military to defeat isis, and they got it done really quick. I mean, I think that's kind of where his thinking is at. So, Tom, your analysis is amazing. I think it's really helpful. Just breaking, by the way, on at Axios, I guess. He gave an exclusive interview. President Trump says he is close to making a decision, including strikes that would be bigger than the ones carried out during Operation Epic Fury. So he's seriously considering restarting major combat operations in Iran and even bigger strikes. Right. So even though we've continued hitting them, apparently he's got plans that he's very, very seriously considering that could go even further. Explain, as I said before inside the room, which voices are pushing for this, which voices maybe want to see a different route, and what would this larger plan entail, in your estimation?

[Tom Sauer]

Well, despite the fact that I've got a lot of friends at the White House and Pentagon, and I'm there often, nobody's sharing too much strategy with me, but I think it's a fair estimate right now that it's pretty consistent. What we're seeing here with this breaking news is pretty consistent with what I was just speaking about on the earlier segment that I would suspect that these massive attacks would most likely be focused on the coastal provinces where most of the attacks on shipping. It's more like molesting attacks on shipping that really threaten and makes the shipping too expensive to underwrite, that slows down the flow of resources through the strait. I think we're going to see isolated isolation of those provinces, like cutting off everything or turning the lights out, cutting off rail, bridges, highways, any sort of communication, so that those provinces there are no longer a threat to shipping traffic right now. So keep in mind that we've got our two biggest objectives in this whole thing. Is one, first and foremost is deny Iran's ability to build a nuclear weapon. Now, obviously, reasonable people can argue whether or not the fact that any enriched uranium that's buried beneath a mountain now and full of rubble and all that is completely inaccessible. And so we can just check that box off and, you know, just keep an eye on things and assume that they're not going to try to rebuild. And if we have to come, come back and mow the lawn, we will. Okay, that might be part of that, but denying them access to nuclear weapons. And then next is ensuring the Strait of Hormuz, which is an international strait, is free for complete freedom of navigation. So those are those two objectives. And keep in mind, like I mentioned, with that Mosaic plan that they are executing right now is, you know, in my estimation, you know, we could wipe Tehran off the map, and very likely it wouldn't change the tactical situation on the ground along the Strait of Hormuz. So, in addition, I think to probably taking out more leadership just as whoever is comes next in the seat decides, hey, maybe I like this position, and also, hey, I don't want to have a bomb dropped on my head.

[Mike Rogers]

They.

[Tom Sauer]

Those people might be more inclined to make a deal. However, even if Tehran leadership does make a deal, it's not a guarantee that some of these provinces and local IGC commanders, IRGC commanders, you know, on the ground are going to listen because they've got their standing orders as part of that Mosaic plan, say, hey, if command and control is knocked out, don't listen to anything anyone else says. Carry out this mission. So I think it really comes down less about, you know, neutralizing the head of the snake. And then really, it's like, take neutering their ability to project any sort of power, even minimal power, such as, you know, firing a few rockets or drones at shipping traffic. Does that all make sense to you guys?

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And it seems like, I mean, I'm just reading the tea leaves here, that the basic prevailing sentiment within this administration right now, and probably the War Department, is that they need more pain, that they're getting asked to make a deal. But basically they're not working forward in good faith, and therefore they need more pain. It seems like this is going to happen, that the escalation is going to happen, and then maybe they'll be willing to make a deal. There's another front on this war, though, that people need to keep their eyes on. As we look at energy prices, Tom, the Houthis are firing at Saudi shipping lanes now. As well in the Red Sea. And President Trump is saying we're going to hold Iran responsible because that's a proxy. What can you tell us about that? We have two minutes remaining. What are you looking for there? If we're going to hold Iran responsible, I mean, wouldn't we just fire on the Houthis?

[Tom Sauer]

You know, I'm actually. No, that's a fair point. And I'm honestly surprised now because up until now, the Houthis have, you noticed, have kind of stayed quiet. They've stayed out of this fight. I'm actually surprised right now. I'm willing to bet that obviously that the Houthis do get some support from the Iranians, obviously, at least a bit, Little, little bit, if not considerable. So, you know, the Houthis, I think, for a time were wisely staying out of this fight, as in, like, we don't want that heat right now. And they cannot sustain the type of punishment that Iran has been taking. So when I learned that, you know, that they were firing at, you know, their mortal enemy, the Saudis, well, I guess mortal enemy is really Israel. But, you know, some of the Saudis and the Yemenis don't get along too well. So when I heard about that, I was rather surprised. Surprised. I think you could probably see some much it would take us a lot less for us to properly punish the Houthis. And a lot of this really just comes down to geography. You know, I mean, look at, you know, our mutual good friend Jack Posobic often loves to point out the map, right. Like map break. And you've got to keep in mind that geography really matters. So where Iran, especially the areas that we're concerned with is super mountainous, hard to navigate, easy to hide things. You know, yes, there are some mountains in Yemen, but it's a lot flatter and, you know, it's they're much more exposed, so their power projection capability is a lot lower. So I'm willing to bet that, you know, somebody in Yemen had their arm twisted or worse into doing this because it's really just a poor decision for them.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Tom Sauer, former Navy EOD officer, former Navy lieutenant commander Excellent analysis that, you know, mat break, sort of regional break. We haven't covered this as much as maybe our audience would have expected because it's just been this detente, it's been a stasis. But you're telling us there's a lot of, a lot of pieces in motion, and we're going to be keeping a closer eye on it in the coming days. Tom thank you so much.

[Tom Sauer]

Thank you, gentlemen.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. Charlie knew that. Turning Point still knows that. And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other. When ideas meet respect, good things happen. On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name. Or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real. We've got a great guest in store. His name is Orrin McIntyre. You've seen him here before, host of the Orin McIntyre Show. He's a columnist for the Blaze and you can find him on exit. Orin McIntyre. Please do check him out. He's a smart guy and a thinker. We're going to be talking about something else Congress got passed yesterday, and that was the ndaa. And inside of that are some provisions that have caused a lot of controversy. And the one that's getting the most attention is section 219, but there's another section 622 that I actually think I have more issues with, and we're going to unpack that with Orin McIntyre right now. Oren, welcome back to the show.

[Oren McIntyre]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Andrew Marlowe]

All right, so why don't you explain 219 and 622, Oren, and we will unpack them from there.

[Oren McIntyre]

So 219 is getting all the attention. That's the one that just passed the house. And a lot of people are saying that this is totally integrating the Israeli military and the US military. We're merging both of these forces and that's not correct. What this is is a way in which we can work with each other on different dynamics when it comes to logistics chains, developing of technologies, a lot of integration. When it comes to looking at AI drones, cybersecurity, possibly even things like directed energy weapons. This is an agreement that looks a lot like the kind of things we have with our NATO countries. The only problem is we're not actually in a technical alliance with Israel. We don't have any real documents drawn up that ultimately put us in some kind of defense treaty with Israel. And the other half of this is, well, we were kind of trying to get out of NATO, right? We've been talking about how it isn't great that we're integrated with all these other countries, that they're relying on us for their defense. And this looks an awful like we're kind of reinstantiating NATO, but only between us and Israel. So it's not anything as hyperbolic as people make it out to be. But it is still, I think, a step in the wrong direction, especially under the area of cybersecurity, because we do know that Israel does spy on the United States. Some people justify that and say, hey, every nation's going to do that. Some people say, you know, no, that's terrible. But either way, I don't think we should be integrating cybersecurity with a nation that ultimately has a record of spying on us. I also am strongly of the belief that Machiavelli is right about politics and foreign mercenaries and foreign auxiliaries. You never should fight a war with other people's troops, other people's technology, because you are not sovereign over them. You are not. You are dependent on something you do not control. And when we are talking about eliminating redundancy, redundancies like 219 does, what we're really saying is we're going to not make some of these things. We're going to give the Israelis the opportunity to build them or work on them, those kind of things, integrate them. And so we don't want to be dependent on any Israeli technology, not because they're Israeli, but because we just shouldn't be dependent on anyone else. As we learned from COVID when we didn't produce antibiotics or ventilators, that's not great for us. So I think 219 is probably a poor decision, but it's not as distressing as 622. Now, 622 is a Senate provision, so it is separate. It has not passed yet because this has not passed the Senate. It would most likely end up in reconciliation if both of these were going to move forward. And what 622 does is it requires intelligence sharing with Israel unless the President goes to Congress and specifically asks to not have to do that. So what it does is it automates all intelligence sharing with the Israelis and it removes the Article 2 authority of the President to have control of intelligence. He has to go back to Congress in order to say, no, I'm going to stop sharing that intelligence. Again, I Just think that it is bad to have an automatic position where the president does not have control over intelligence agencies and instead there's more power now in the deep state if this passes to control the flow of intelligence, unless the president can literally go to Congress and get approval to do his job.

[Andrew Marlowe]

So yeah, I think that's all really well stated. Go ahead.

[Blake]

That sound. Well, that second part there, just limiting the President's ability to make decisions on what seems to me a very core national security matter. Is there an argument in favor of this? Is it one of those things in Congress that sort of got slipped in somewhere along the way and a lot of people don't know what they're voting for? Are they making the case for why this is so important? I guess. Is it? Probably. I'm thinking of this up on the fly. Are they basically worried we'll have a DSA president in the future who tries to shut this down and they want to block that preemptively? How did this come about? What's going on here?

[Oren McIntyre]

Well, I think the benign argument would be that this simply automates a process that's ongoing anyway. We're already allies with Israel, we're already sharing intelligence on a regular basis and so this just smooths out the process. We have five eyes agreements with other nations and this would create a similar scenario except for this thing where it inhibits the President from stopping this unless he gets the congressional action. I do think that the motivation for both of these is ultimately to kind of remove the Israeli relationship from the democratic process. As you said, there's a high possibility that the Democrats and well, frankly in a decade, maybe even the Republicans would not be huge fans of close integration with Israel. And what this does is make that automatic and makes creates a level of bureaucracy that is hard to overcome in order to stop it. And this is where the deep state comes in. This is where we get the deep state is automating all of these processes, removing them from the constitutional authority that's vested in either the Congress or the President and instead making sure that the bureaucracies automatically carry out these agendas no matter who gets elected. So I do think there's a little bit of hedging here and this is why I've heard from many people that many people in the White House and the government, Pentagon, they don't really want this. They're already working with Israel. They don't need any kind of encouragement to do so. So it feels like there is the pressure is really coming from the Congress, the legislators who are interested in locking that position away from presidential authority. Authority rather than the President or, you know, the current Pentagon looking to make this change.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah, and. And I think you've made some really tremendous points here, Oren. And, and I. And I would just say I checked with my sources to your last point there with the Department of War, and basically their position is we don't need this. We're already working very closely with Israel. I think the other. So. So our own Department of War, I mean, I can't underscore that enough. Doesn't want this deal. Their official position is they're against this. The other thing that I think was a really good point to Blake's earlier point was this stripping of Article 2 power from the President to do what he feels is best. Now, that might be inconsequential right now with President Trump in the White House, but it does feel like a hedging for potential future Democrat presidents and ensuring that this sort of alliance stays in touch. Attack. I see it on multiple levels. Multiple things can be true. Namely, that Israel can be really freaking good at making military tech. I mean, they got lasers that are shooting down drones, and there could be some economies of scale. There could be some advantages there. But what you said was very important. It's essentially an agreement that we will not make certain aspects of our own military tech. That feels like a recipe for disaster potentially down the road. And I don't love that. And then again, on the intel sharing. We're already sharing intel, but we can turn it off, turn it on. They do spy on us. We probably spy on them. It feels like the lines need to be very clear. Israel is amazing at fighting its wars. We can learn things from them. We do learn things from them. But here's my last point. We really haven't touched on this yet. Israel needs its own freedom, obviously, from a practical standpoint, but from an optic standpoint, they cannot be perceived as a vassal state of the United States, either domestically or internationally. People cannot see them that way. And I think that's really, really critical because these sections could give the impression, even though we said it's overblown, that that is the case, that they are just a vassal state of the United States. So I these, for all these reasons and more, I am against the both section 219 and 622. But 622 is the real poison pill here. And I just want to reiterate something. Two things can be true at once. This is not an anti Israel position. This is a pro America position. This is a what makes sense position.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

And.

[Andrew Marlowe]

And 622 strips the president of Article 2 authorities. That. That. That's kind of insane. The question now becomes, does it have a chance of passing in the Senate? And what are you hearing on that?

[Oren McIntyre]

It's a difficult question. I mean, obviously we know that the house just passed 219 and 622 is part of the Senate bill, so it would even have to go through the reconciliation process. It might not survive that as well. I do think that it is probably likely to eventually get passed, but I hope that is not the case. And the problem really is the frame that this sets. As you noted before we went to break, this is bad for America and Israel. This is bad for sovereignty across the board. And right now, AOC is out there yelling about 219, saying that it's selling our entire military out to Israel, that it's merging our forces and handing over all our sovereignty. And while that's a really big overstatement, ultimately she gets to make that argument because the right is making bad decisions. They're making decisions that don't seem to benefit America first. And so while I think her argument is hyperbolic, and those hyperbolic arguments don't help us understand the nuances of what's actually occurring here, that doesn't mean that then we should reflexively just support the thing, because I do think there are very serious problems here. Again, we are working from a point of nationalism. What I'm hearing more and more from both Israeli nationalists and American nationalists is that it does not benefit either country to be dependent on each other. But we both need our sovereignty, we both need our respect, we both need our authority. And that can happen when we're integrating all of our systems at such a close level. That's the opposite of sovereignty. So I think for the sake of both nations, we need to encourage our senators to reject this imposition on the President and his authority. Like I said, I don't think the White House wants this. I don't think the military wants this. I think this is just a move by legislators who have some ulterior motives, or perhaps they think they're doing the right thing by protecting an ally through. By removing it from the democratic process. But ultimately, this is something that is going to read terribly for both the US and Israel in the PR war and in the idea that we're currently involved in this conflict. I just don't think it's wise at this moment to enshrine a relationship that many people are saying we should probably disentangle and allow for sovereignty on both ends.

[Blake]

Oren I just, I talked about this with Charlie often, and I think we're all aware there's a lot of anti Israel sentiment rising on the right. There's also just a rise of anti Semitism on the right. And what I argued with him is I think a lot of this just comes from. It's not an implicit, they're always going to hate them. It's that a lot of young people, they've grown up and they just, they feel like they've seen story after story where lawmakers are just literally prioritizing a foreign country or where it feels like basically our country's being a sucker. And I think that if you just dial back that aspect of feeling like we're suckers, they would get over this and they would be fine with having them as an ally in the Middle East. But these, these kind of weird acts where they're creating a relationship that doesn't exist with literally any other country. It seems it's what creates a lot of the bad blood.

[Oren McIntyre]

I agree 100%. I think it's not even often Israeli officials saying anything. That's the problem. You have politicians, American politicians, saying, I only went into Congress to fight for Israel. You have people like Tammy Bruce, as a spokesman for the United States government, saying, actually, I think America is the best country in the world except for Israel. Like, that's just not healthy. That looks bad for everybody. And I don't think anyone in Israel asked Tammy Bruce to say that. But when you have people going out and saying that, you can see why young people look at this and say, this is just not a good relationship to be in. I agree that ultimately what we have to do, what must be done is we must decouple the government of Israel from the idea of all Jewish people. It is not fair to judge all Jewish people by the government of Israel or the government of Israel by Jewish people. These are not one in the same. These are not the same category. And you can have concerns about a relationship with Israel. You could have concerns with actions of the Israeli government and be fine with Jewish people in the United States and abroad. This is just not healthy to have this idea. If Americans criticize their government, they're not attacking the American people. If someone says, hey, I like Israel, I think it's an ally in many ways. But ultimately there are aspects of this relationship that are unhealthy. That is not anti Semitism, that is not an attack on the American people. And by the way, Charlie was Attacked as an anti Semite for voicing exactly this belief. And I think if he has the courage to go out and say the things that he said about that relationship, we should be able to do the same. Charlie loved Israel, he loved the Jewish people. And no one believed that except the worst possible actors who are trying to smear him that some criticism, unhealthy aspects of that relationship is an attack on Jewish people in general. I think that just has to be the standard going forward.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Yeah, I completely agree. He actually devoted, and to Blake's point, he devoted a ton of energy to making sure there was this sort of third option. You're not either for or against. There's multiple, multiple spots in between where you can still be for Israel, for the Jewish people, but be able to point out legitimate criticisms or have critiques about the arrangement. Right. And I think that's great. I just want to re. I want to reiterate something here. The Department of War is against this section 219@622. That should tell you everything you need to know. We already have a very close working relationship. The thing that, as I've been sitting here pondering. Oren. Yeah, 622, this intel sharing, mandating it, stripping Article 2 powers from the President. Massive, massive poison pill. But the other part of it, we've just seen this play out so many times. If you give America the option to not develop or manufacture certain aspects, whether it's a chip or it's a piece, a component that goes into a missile or a plane, we will stop doing it. What happens when our interests diverge with Israel in the future? Because they've diverged with the uk, they've diverged with Australia where we have similar arrangements. Will that be a leverage point to force us into certain actions? I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying you're opening the door for something like that to happen and then we don't make the peace that we need. Okay, I just. This thing is bad optically and I think it's in the wrong direction. Oren McIntyre, thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure, my friend.

[Oren McIntyre]

Thanks again, guys.

[Andrew Marlowe]

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[Blake]

Andrew. I feel like you're a big WNBA enthusiast. Like every time there's a WNBA story you're really fired up. You, you know what the record of the Mercury is. Tell the truth.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I, I genuinely don't. I will tell I to be perfectly clear, I always have to think if the name is actually right. Alex, welcome back to the show, my friend. Without further ado, you've been waiting patiently.

[Alex]

I'm super excited to talk, I'm super excited to talk women's sports with you guys.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Okay, well listen, you are our resident expert on the wnba. Besides, regardless of what Blake wants you to believe, I know very little. But here's, I mean, who isn't a

[Alex]

huge Brittany Hicks fan? I mean we're all big Brittany Hicks fans over here. So some of the audience will know the reference.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Okay, hold on.

[Alex]

They will get it.

[Andrew Marlowe]

So we have to, yeah, we have to actually get the Shane Gillis moment. I think it was like the SG Awards.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got it.

[Andrew Marlowe]

You got it. He shouts OUT the wnba. Please get that clip. The WNBA star in the, in the row. We'll play that as soon as we have it. So Sophie Cunningham says, hey, men shouldn't be in women's sports and it's become like a whole thing. Cuz I, I, I don't know. Like when we tell you that woke is not dead, it's just paused, it's dormant while President Trump is in office. This is clue number 878,000. Okay, let's go ahead and play. So she gets asked by this and she had a great answer. Sophie Cunningham, we really like what she's about, what she's doing.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Stop five on that same vein in that story with espn, you talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't have to go against biological men.

[Marco Rubio]

Just.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Can you expand your viewpoint on that? I mean, I think I, I said what I said. I think it's kind of common sense and I think I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important to protect children and that's little girls who are also involved in that category. And so I stand on what I said and I always believe that.

[Andrew Marlowe]

All right, so Alex, the controversy doesn't end there because, you know, we had to get somebody from the View chiming in. In this case it's Megan Rapinoe who lost a soccer match to 15 year old boys. But that's fine. She's got something to say here.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

SOT 6 They're going after trans people in sports and they're using this as a wedge issue because we love sports and you know, we don't want our little girls to be unsafe in sports. And it's like unsafe from who? But okay, but now we're using this as like an overarching thing when really what we're attacking women. We're saying if you look like this as a woman, you can play.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Not if you look like, if you are a woman.

[Alex]

Wasn't that guy in the Odyssey, but wasn't that guy in the Odyssey, by the way, the one you just played the, the, the little guy with the blonde hair like the same.

[Tom Sauer]

It's a different person

[Alex]

now.

[Oren McIntyre]

The.

[Alex]

So first of all, I hate all this because I want Sophie Cunningham. Sounds totally rational, very brave of her to stand up and make this point. But this is getting me further away from my ultimate goal, which is I want to see five guys who are former or current NBA players just announced that they're women go down the NBA and just run up the score and just see how big of a blowout we could get. Yeah, wma. Yeah, exactly. I want to see. I'm accelerationist in this regard. I will not rest until five guys dominate the WNBA and bring home a championship. And so until I see that, then I'm not going to be satisfied with the woke moment. So I'm pretty upset about this because she sounds totally rational and normal and we're all going to have to talk about this because it's a positive for girls. But come on guys, we could see the biggest blowout in WNBA history if we just take this experiment to just one more step further with the appropriation of women's sports by men.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I totally agree. We should do. They don't even have to be like, you know, starters from the NBA. We'll get the backbenchers. I think the freshmen. Right.

[Blake]

All star team of, of like high school. Yeah, like high school freshmen, I think could probably win the wnba.

[Alex]

I, I would like to.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I mean, we saw this with Megan.

[Alex]

I would like to see that. But in all, in all seriousness, yes, Sophie Cunningham is very brave, what she said. And if you listen to the full explanation, she says it's because I'm protecting girls. And I think girls should have a place where they do well in sports. And we've always talked about this as a society that we want girls to be able to be treated equally. It doesn't treat them equally if you let men come in and win the sport. And she knows she's going to get hatred for this and she still went out and said it. And that's awesome. It's actually, and here's a hot take for you, I think it's actually cooler than her pointing in a humorous way at another player. But I will back all this up by saying yet again, we're talking about the WNBA and it has nothing to do with anything that's happening on the court. It only has to do with the political stuff that happens in between plays. It's never about their skill as basketball players. And I do find that amusing.

[Andrew Marlowe]

The question is, you know, what skill? I genuinely, I will take it back. Caitlin Clark is the most skilled WNBA player that I've seen that she, she plays like a guy. Like she can actually compete. I'm blown away at Sophie Cunningham's apparently very good, but there are skilled players. I'm being a little harsh, but. Yeah, your point is, is apt. Like the WNBA still can't get its act together and make money. It exists at the, you know, because of the largesse of the NBA.

[Blake]

Well, we should push back on that. We should push back on that a little. I will, I will say as much as I dump on the wnba, I'm not an avid follower like Andrew. What I will say is it is a testament to American greatness and American enthusiasm and how go getter we are that we made women's college basketball a thing a lot of people follow and care about. I have a friend. His, his boomer parents are just die hard UConn women's basketball fans and he follows them. And I believe the WNBA like actually has real attendance now thanks to Caitlin Clark. She's on the. Apparently she's on the COVID of the new NBA video game that you can play if you get the deluxe Edition. She's the COVID athlete. They still call it NBA, but they did put a W on the COVID I just feel like it's an American accomplishment that we're so into sports that we made a somewhat inferior product, but aimed at women. An actual thing that is constantly thrown at me when I visit espn. And they haven't given up yet.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Here's the problem though. This is like now bleeding into the White House press briefing room. This is like, this is getting out of hand, like sat 17.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Sophia Cunningham in the WNBA has been attacked as a MAGA Barbie for saying it's common sense for men to not be in women's sports and locker rooms. Is the President following this story? I know he is following the story. As you know, this is something the President, President feels strongly about as well and the American people do too, that men should not be playing in women's sports. It's completely ludicrous that anyone could support that. It's even more ludicrous that you do have Sophia Cunningham, a female athlete herself, very accomplished in her own right, coming forth and speaking that truth that men shouldn't play in women's sports. We want to protect women and girls. And the backlash she is receiving from Democrats and left wing fingers across the country is astonishing. They are clearly very out of touch with the American public on this issue, which again is an 8020 issue. It's common sense. It's rooted in basic biological fact.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I don't know. I think MAGA Barbie actually has a nice ring to it, Alex.

[Alex]

Yeah, it's great. It's great. It's all good. And also it's funny how Trump is now just a constant fixture in sports. He got FIFA to change their rules. There was a report that after Bryson DeChambeau got assessed a two shot penalty, the British Open over the weekend, he wanted to call Trump and get Trump to weigh in over a British golf tournament. I mean, it is just. He just looms large over everything. That's where we're at and I'm here for it. The entertainment value, just through the roof.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Well, you saw that with the Spain team when they won the World Cup. They wanted President Trump to be out there.

[Alex]

They're doing the Trump dance.

[Andrew Marlowe]

They were all doing like the Trump dance. Yeah, they were doing. And there was actually, I think the guy who scored the winning goal actually was wearing a Make Spain great again hat during the parade. So you're so right. He looms so large and you know, I'm here for it. But all that being said to wrap this up in a nice bow here, gentlemen. The whole thing is ludicrous. It makes me sad that we are still dealing with this issue that should have been put to bed a while ago. And I just want to reiterate. Evil never sleeps. Woke is not dead. It's just sleeping.

[Oren McIntyre]

It's.

[Andrew Marlowe]

It's dormant. It. I shouldn't say it's. It's sleeping because I just said evil never sleeps. But they are going to mount a comeback and they will try and regain territory here. The fact that Megan Rapinoe goes on there and says that men, you know, banning men in women's sports is an attack on women. That's how crazy these people are. It's completely ludicrous. But Sophie Cunningham is a. Is a national treasure.

[Blake]

I mean, I'm happy there's finally a WNBA story that I can get excited about. As excited as. As you are, Andrew, all the time. Because I know you are deeply. You're deeply passionate about it. Even if you have to hide it, even if you have to suppress it. We know you love it. We know you're super excited.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Alex, did you know that Blake does not have a. Do you know that Blake does not own his own grill?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

I have a grill.

[Blake]

I use the grill last night.

[Alex]

It's the. I had heard that. Which is a disgrace. I might add that that is an absolute.

[Andrew Marlowe]

I'm going to fix it for him.

[Alex]

I don't need to pile on. I feel like Blake was a conscientious objector to the WNBA segment anyway, so now we're just really piling on. But I think overall, just to recap, seriousness aside, her argument, Sophie Cunningham's argument, which is that this protects girls to keep guys out of sports. Isn't that the logical one? Isn't anyone who refutes that kind of retarded?

[Andrew Marlowe]

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[Alex]

SOT3 and these people are paternalistic and it's a bunch of over educated little white turds who think they know more than other people know. They think they know more than you do. You should view these people with extreme, extreme skepticism.

[Andrew Marlowe]

He calls them little white turds. And then you get this interesting clip from it's a quote from Punch Bowl News from Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, who's obviously a black man. He said, I saw a picture that concerned me coming out of Michigan. And he's of course looking at El sayed race there, which is a he's a far left radical Muslim DSA supported candidate for Senate. I saw a picture that concerned me coming out of Michigan. I saw the rally. I didn't see a single person that looks like me. That tells me all I need to know. So you got we're calling them white turds. Clyburn's worried there's no diversity. It does seem like the rise of DSA is really the rise of entitled white radical progressives.

[Blake]

It's clear like this is a manifestation of the race obsession on the left. Like a lot of their biggest ideological left wingers, they're really far on the left. They're more open to the socialism outright communism stuff. Yet they've also been marinating in race politics for so long. If you're on the left, you can't really view your movement as fully legitimate unless you have the right number of brown faces to prove that you're a pan ethnic coalition or that you're not white. Basically they all marinate in this. But I do want to push back. It annoys me. I don't want us to just say oh it's a bunch of spoiled white kids because then we're practically indulging the same thing. And it also, I think it pushes a myth that black, Hispanic, Asian Democrat voters are not going to vote for this if it becomes the new party orthodoxy. A lot of the time the people who back this in big cities, they're just, they're part of the Democrat patronage apparatus. They make sure that oh, every time a Democrat wins we get a new pay raise for public employees for you know, we get all these like union carve outs. Like they, they're all part of this apparatus and they just don't want someone to mess it up. And that's usually the biggest reason I think they're not getting on board with like really radical DSA stuff. They just, they think the current system's great. You don't want to mess it up too much. But it is very revealing of how long the left has been stuck in this race cul de sac that when radical ideas pop up, the first thing that comes to mind is are the people pushing it white or not? The best argument against it is the people pushing it are insane and they're going to destroy America. That's how I feel about it.

[Andrew Marlowe]

Well, and here's my big problem with this. We talk about El said a lot of our audience probably this is my fault in, in Blake's fault, sure. But we don't talk about the Republican candidate enough. And so part of this, you know, I, I, I do think, you know, people are now saying AOC is probably gonna run for president and she's got this great chance to win. Part of her notoriety is because she was an easy punching bag for us on the right because she said all of these obscene things. El Sayed is saying it Mamdani saying we're making them more famous. But here's candidate Mike Rogers out of Michigan who has a real shot of winning, especially if El Sayed wins The primary here sat 16.

[Mike Rogers]

We think we do better against both have to remember, I mean one is obviously more radical. Abdul is I think far too radical to be a serious.

[Alex]

Would he be a better matcher for you?

[Mike Rogers]

I think we're going to win on both of and I'll tell you why. They both support doing away with gas powered cars and making you drive an ev. The government in Michigan. Oh yeah. They both believe that men should be in women's sports. They both believe in high taxes. They both oppose the overtime taxes relief that the President gave us. By the way, we have 3 million Michigan working families that are benefiting from no tax on overtime. They want to put it back. So those things are the same. We can do very, very well because we're making that contrast of the high cost of Living poor education, loss of manufacturing jobs. Under Democrat leadership in Michigan, we're going to change that.

[Andrew Marlowe]

We got to get this guy over the finish line in Michigan and there are headwinds. Alex, this whole thing makes me think of a question for you and I just want to be very clear. I think the rise of DSA is a terrible development for the country. I think it reveals an underlying rot within the body politic that these ideas that have been tried historically and failed again and again and again and led to despair, destruction and death and misery in the 20th century, they're being reimagined, reinvented. I think it's a terrible thing, but it does provide a political opportunity, at least in the short run, while enough of us still have our senses about us, to fight this. And it could get people like Mike rogers into the U.S. senate. Do you agree or disagree?

[Alex]

I totally agree. It is very high stakes, but it does make it so that it is. They're more beatable and we should be historically weak right now, but I don't think we are because their candidates are not charismatic and their ideology is not coherent. That they're pro super gay, but they're also pro Islamist now which is random. And they are socialists, but they want to have an open border, which is impossible. You could have one or the other, but you can't have both. And this racial stuff that Blake is talking about is really important here because it's really about coalition mobilization is not just about making all politics about race in a DEI sense. It's about they know in order to move voters, they move blocks of people by race. And Carville is making a claim the Democrat establishment is gonna keep those races, those blocks of racial voters. So it's not just about, oh, this sounds very woke. There's more to it than that. This is actual politics that we're talking about here. And it is a big chance for Republicans. Cuz I don't. I haven't seen them this disconnected as a movement in my whole life, man.

[Blake]

I don't think it's. I don't think it's incoherent. I'll disagree with you there. They can be pro Islam, Islamist and pro lgbt. They can be pro open borders and pro socialism because both of those things are things that allow you to destroy America, destroy the things that made it successful for so long. It's almost the politics are beside the point. What really is, it's the id, it's the will to destroy. It's this resentment based gut feeling and they'll seize anything that can let them tear it down. That's why it's scary. But there is an opportunity to get great guys like Mike Rogers into the Senate. Alex, thank you for joining us. We'll see you very soon, I'm sure. Check out your local WNBA team to make Andrew happy. We'll see all of you tomorrow. For more on many of these stories

[Alex]

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