A Brave Student Takes a Stand Against Forced Vaccination

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: "A Brave Student Takes a Stand Against Forced Vaccination"

Date: July 22, 2021
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Olivia Sandor

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the personal cost and controversy of COVID-19 vaccine mandates on college campuses, focusing on the story of Olivia Sandor, a prospective student at Brigham Young University (BYU) Hawaii. Olivia shares her medical history, denial of a medical exemption, and how the mandate forced her to give up her dream education. Charlie Kirk uses the conversation to highlight broader questions about freedom, bodily autonomy, and institutional overreach, particularly at faith-based schools.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Olivia’s Story: Medical Exemption Denied

[05:29–08:55]

• Olivia, 18, from Arizona, aspired to attend BYU Hawaii, her “dream school.”
• She survived Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) after likely developing it from a previous influenza vaccine, resulting in temporary paralysis:
  • “I was paralyzed from the waist down for about a month. It was the scariest month of my life.” – Olivia [05:39]
• Medical providers advised her that the COVID-19 vaccine could cause similar or worse reactions, potentially leading to paralysis or death.
• BYU Hawaii denied her medical exemption—twice—even after an appeal directly to the university president.
• Olivia lost nearly $200,000 in scholarships to other schools, given up in pursuit of BYU Hawaii.

2. Policy Inconsistencies and Institutional Decisions

[09:16–13:07]

• Vaccine mandates at BYU Hawaii apply only to students, not to staff—staff are merely “encouraged.”
• “So we are going to play games with our children? …Adults at higher risk don’t have to get it.” —Charlie Kirk [09:23]
• Universally, medical and religious exemptions were reportedly denied for all applicants Olivia and others knew.
• No alternative (remote/online) learning option provided for students who can’t comply.
  • “They advise you to transfer and go to Pathway or to a different campus.” —Olivia [12:00]

3. Community Reaction and Social Pressure

[14:41–15:24, 23:11–24:29]

• Olivia’s public social media post about her situation went viral and became an anchor for students facing similar troubles.
• She received backlash—including messages saying, “Better you die than a whole population”—as well as gratitude and support.
• “All these kids that are going through the same thing need to speak up about it because we are the future generation…” – Olivia [26:55]

4. The Faith/Institution Dilemma

[18:09–21:05]

• Kirk questions how BYU Hawaii, a school grounded in religious values, can enforce mandates that seem to contradict both church guidance and individual liberty.
  • “How does a school that is rooted in faith reconcile mandating an experimental vaccine…?” —Charlie Kirk [18:09]
• Olivia distinguishes between LDS church policy (which does not require the vaccine) and the school making its own rules.
  • “It’s not that the church is mandating it on the school, but the school has decided to mandate it on itself.” —Olivia [21:06]
• No official church response or intervention despite community discussion and outreach.

5. The Broader Principle: Bodily Autonomy and Societal Implications

[13:12–16:39, 25:29–27:48]

• Kirk underscores the wider context of bodily autonomy, personal liberty, and government (or institutional) overreach.
• He contrasts the lack of agreed upon data on adverse events and the selective way risks are communicated.
  • “You have to get the vaccines so you don’t die from COVID, but you might die from the vaccines?” —Charlie Kirk [10:28]
• Criticism of how vaccinated political elites (e.g., Nancy Pelosi, Texas Democrats) still catch COVID, raising doubts about both mandates and the vaccine’s absolute efficacy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I want to compliment you on your courage because we have a country full of cowards. And you are not a coward.” —Charlie Kirk [05:04]
• “It could end in possible death or permanent paralysis.” —Olivia, on the risk of the vaccine per her doctor's letter [10:10]
• “So, basically, you’re now out of that $200,000.” —Charlie Kirk, on scholarship losses [13:55]
• “Do not conform.” —Olivia, encouraging others [15:23]
• “I relied on my faith the whole time. I knew Heavenly Father had a plan for me…” —Olivia [07:06]
• “Our generation is quite honestly being used as this massive petri dish experiment when adults are not even having to comply.” —Charlie Kirk [27:25]
• “If you want something to happen and you want a change to occur, you need to speak up about it.” —Olivia [31:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:29–08:56] Olivia’s medical history, denial of exemption, and emotional impact
• [09:16–11:32] Policy inconsistency: mandate only applies to students
• [14:41–15:23] Social media response and student community reactions
• [18:09–21:06] LDS faith vs. BYU Hawaii mandate: institutional vs. religious policy
• [23:11–24:29] Social and peer backlash
• [26:47–27:25] The significance of courage and free choice
• [31:04–32:17] Lessons in advocacy and the need for more students to speak out

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Final Takeaways & Closing Remarks

• Olivia’s stance comes at significant personal cost but is motivated by principle, faith, and hope to inspire others.
• Kirk frames the case as emblematic of wider infringements on personal liberty, especially in youth and education.
• Both host and guest stress the importance of courage and standing up for beliefs despite negative consequences.
• No institutional or official LDS support for Olivia or students in similar situations has been offered at publication time.
• The episode encourages direct action—writing to affected institutions and public advocacy.

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Olivia’s Instagram: @live.sandor

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Transcript

[A]

Hey everybody. Here with us this hour is a student who decided not to get the vaccine. Well, it really wasn't her decision. The vaccine could kill her and she'll explain why. Olivia Sandor joins us for the full episode to talk about how this vaccine mandate very well might have taken her ability to walk away and also might have killed her. She has courage. We walk through that in the hour. Email us your questions freedomarliekirk.com that's freedomarlicirk.com if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com and that's charliekirk.com support I want to thank Andrew from Rhode Island, Janelle from Ohio. I want to thank Kristen from Missouri. I want to thank Jennifer from Illinois. I want to thank Chase from Missouri. A lot of support. From Missouri. Thank you. Payal from Kentucky. Thank you. Susan from Georgia becoming a monthly supporter. Thank you. And Kathleen from Maryland becoming a monthly supporter. Thank you. And Shelley from New York, thank you. CharlieKirk.com support helps keep our team going, traveling, researching. We did a lot of production the last couple days and thank you for backing [e-mail] Support if you want to get involved with Turningpoint USA, go to tpusa.com where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win the American culture war. That's tpusa.com Email us your thoughts. Freedomarliekirk.com I'd love to hear from you. Buckle up. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[B]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[A]

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[B]

Thank you so much for having me.

[A]

First want to compliment you on your courage because we have a country full of cowards.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you are not a coward.

[B]

No.

[A]

Your parents generation is mostly cowards and they will obey and they will comply and you are not one of those people. Introduce yourself. You are going to go to byu, Brigham Young University Hawaii?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Tell us about yourself.

[B]

So I am 18 years old, I'm from Arizona and I've always had the dream to attend BYU Hawaii. My cousins attended, I have friends, friends that attended. And it was seriously my dream. I was so excited to apply and to get in and I just prayed for the best. I really relied on my faith and I was like, this is where I'm supposed to be. And so I applied and took so long on my applications. I tried my best and I found out that I got in. I had never been more proud of myself. I was so, so happy. And then on June 16, 2021, BYU Hawaii came out saying that they would mandate the COVID 19 vaccine. And if you want to get vaccinated, then I don't really care. Like that's up to you. That's a personal choice. And for me, it's not something that I felt was right for my health. So in 2019, I was diagnosed with Guillain Barre syndrome, also known as gbs, which can be caused by vaccines and another number of other viral infections. Lots of different. But I was paralyzed from the waist down for about a month. It was the scariest month of my life. I was a full time dancer at the time. I thought my life was over. I was walking through Costco with my parents one day. I collapsed on the floor and I for a month could not walk. It was terrifying.

[A]

Was that after you got a vaccine?

[B]

Yes. So I got the influenza back.

[A]

And do you think that was the reason that happened?

[B]

So that's what my medical providers, we were unsure because I got the influenza vaccine. Got influenza and then I was paralyzed. So you can get GBS from having influenza or from the vaccine. So it's a little unclear.

[A]

Do you think it was the vaccine?

[B]

Personally? Yes, because I think that's why I got flu. So I recovered from that, which is seriously a miracle. I relied on my faith the whole time. I knew Heavenly Father had a plan for me and I said if he doesn't want me to walk again and if he has a plan for me not to dance, then I won't. So when I found out BYU Hawaii was going to be doing this, I reached out to my medical providers and we decided, yes, that it was not a good idea for me to get vaccinated. So BYU Hawaii came out saying that they would offer a medical or religious exemption and they made it seem very accessible. I was like, okay, great, I'll write out my exemption form. It'll all be fine, whatever. I submit it with my doctors, my Doctor's notes and everything. And I waited a month to hear back and they denied me a medical exemption. And I was shocked, to say the least. My whole family was like, oh, no, it's fine. Like you're going to get it. You can't get vaccinated. It's okay, they're going to let you in. So it was a big letdown. I decided to appeal this with my parents, my mom and my dad, for very. They were just not happy because their daughter had always had this dream and I was being taken away from her for something she couldn't control. Like, it just wasn't fair. So we took it to the highest authority that we could. We got in contact with the president of BYU Hawaii and they said that they would re review my case and get back to me as soon as they could. And again, I was denied a medical exemption. So now I've decided that I'm not going to go. But about a week ago, I wrote on my Instagram, my friends and my family saying that I wouldn't be going anymore because everyone knew it was my dream. When I got in, I cried. I shared it with everyone. I was so happy. So it was a really hard experience. But then that post blew up and it became a place for people to look who are going through the same thing. And I realized that I am not alone. There are so many kids that have reached out to me that are like, I applaud you for reaching out and like talking about this, because no one has.

[A]

This is a legitimate scandal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And where are the adults? I mean, who is this president of BYU Hawaii? I mean, in what perverse world do we live in? Do we think we can steal from children?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so I want to. There's a lot I want to ask you about.

[B]

No, for sure.

[A]

Are they mandating the vaccine for staff?

[B]

No, it's just for the students. It's encouraged for staff, but it's not mandated.

[A]

So. So we are going to play games with our children?

[B]

Yes, but adults at higher risk don't have to get it.

[A]

What's their explanation for that?

[B]

I don't know. They really. I. I read on their page where they had posted about it and said, oh, well, staff is highly encouraged, but it's not mandated. But it's mandated for these kids and mandated for these people who can't get it. We reached out. I have a friend who runs an Instagram account about BYU Hawaii and all this going on, and she reached out to everyone saying, if you submitted a medical exemption, please tell me if you got accepted or denied and send me what they sent you, 100% of everyone that contacted her was denied medical or religious.

[A]

So do you have a doctor that has written on your behalf saying that if you get a vaccine, something adverse might happen?

[B]

Yeah. It could end in possible death or permanent paralysis.

[A]

This is a legitimate doctor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so if you got the vaccine, you could die.

[B]

I could die. And it's not that 100% I would. But is that a. Is that a risk that I'm willing

[A]

to idea that you could die from COVID therefore you must get the vaccine?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Let me get this straight. You have to get the vaccines. You don't die from COVID but you might die from the vaccines?

[B]

You die from COVID Yes. Yes. It's insane.

[A]

So not mandated for staff?

[B]

Not mandated. No.

[A]

Required for students?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't you have to pay to go to college?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So who's the customer and who's the client?

[B]

Exactly. It's so. It's so hard to read because it's like, there's. The divide between the student and staff right now is insane because there's these kids who are like, I don't want to get vaccinated, but I also really want to go to Hawaii. So do I just conform to this, like, vaccine and just get it anyway, even though I don't feel comfortable with it? And they are. I know so many people who are, and I can't believe it. And then the staff is like, oh, well, we're fine. If we don't want to get it, it's fine. Like, how is that. How is that fair? These kids who are not at high risk, some of them are just getting it to get it. I don't understand. Like, it's this huge divide between the two, and I. It's just not fair.

[A]

There's. There's a lot that comes to mind, and I just want to reemphasize this to compliment you for standing up. And you said this cost you scholarship money, too.

[B]

Yeah. I had almost $200,000 of scholarships from other schools that I had applied to, and then I denied them because I was like, oh, I'm going to Hawaii. It'll be great. It'll be fine. Whatever. And I didn't even think about the scholarship. Byu, Hawaii had always been my dream. I didn't have a scholarship there. And I was like, it's okay. I'll go anyway. It's my dream. And so I called all my other schools. I was like, I'm not coming. Whatever. I don't need my scholarship. And then they. They talk about this and announce this in the middle of June, leaving students with hardly any time to find an alternative option. And BYU Hawaii doesn't give an alternative option. There is no online option. They advise you to transfer and go to Pathway or to a different campus.

[A]

And Olivia, you are a dancer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you got the vaccine and you had an adverse event, which was.

[B]

I didn't get the COVID vaccine.

[A]

I know. No, this was an influenza, which is even more scary because that's been around for a long time. And you could. You were paralyzed.

[B]

Yeah. It was insane. It.

[A]

So your body does not mesh well with vaccine.

[B]

No, my body, when I have a virus come in, I. What I believe they. How they explained it to me is instead of my body attacking the virus, it attacked my nerves, my nervous system.

[A]

This happens to a lot of people, by the way.

[B]

Right. Shut down and I was paralyzed and they worried about it spreading to my heart.

[A]

So again, that just begs a more general question that how many other adverse reactions are happening to vaccines, maybe to children that we're not allowed to talk about? That's not what we're here to speak about in particular. Okay, so you are going to go to BYU Hawaii.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And talk about the cost. $200,000 in scholarship.

[B]

So that is not. To BYU Hawaii. BYU why? Is something that my family and I could afford. And I was very happy about it. It was my dream school. I was like, great, I'll go. And it's amazing. But I did give up $200,000 of scholarship to other schools. And that was hard because when I found out that I couldn't go anymore, just, just last week, I was like, wow, well, all that money is gone. And I call these schools and like, oh, well, you told me that you're not admitted anymore, so you have to re enroll. Which would put me back a few semesters.

[A]

Yes. So basically you were. You're now out of that $200,000.

[B]

Yeah. And I work so hard in high school. That's an academic scholarship that I got. And so it was. I tried my very, very best in high school too.

[A]

That's a real cost.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So people are saying, well, I don't want to sacrifice for my point of view. I'm afraid of losing my way of life. You have, right? How does that make you feel?

[B]

It's hard, that's for sure. But at the same time, I know that what I'm talking about is giving hope and inspiration to so many people, because I. Not many people are Talking out about this, I'm like, it does come at a cost. Yes, I lost all this money, but is now this a better experience for me to be able to help other people?

[A]

So you say you've been getting a lot of emails and messages or comments from other students. Are other students going through this as well?

[B]

So many. I've had a lot on both sides. I've had students from byu, Hawaii, being like, you don't deserve to come here. Better you die than a whole population. I'm like, okay, well, that's a little excessive.

[A]

Well, they get vaccinated, they might get the virus.

[B]

Right? Right. I'm like, okay, all right. I. That's fine. But on the other end, I have just as many people telling me, I appreciate you and I needed to hear this. This gave me so much hope, so much inspiration. I truly rely on my faith in my heavenly Father. And that's what my whole Instagram post was. I was like, look, I'm not going anymore. This was my dream. But I know he has a different plan for me. And if you're going through the same thing, he has a different plan for you. Do not conform.

[A]

Amen. So what? Obviously, the medical thing's a big thing. You could die.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. Would you. Would you go back if all of a sudden you got an exemption now?

[B]

So that's something I've actually thought about because I'm like, well, what if they just let me in so that I stopped talking in the media? Right.

[A]

Oh, they would totally do that.

[B]

I'm sure that's something they would love to do the second I posted my post. And then it blew up a few days later. They came out like, oh, if you have any questions or comments or concerns, please email us directly. Trying to get us all to stop talking. And they had thousands of comments like, we're not going to shut up. We're not going to stop talking. Yes, Again. So I've thought about it. I'm like, yes, it was my dream. Is it my dream anymore? I'm not sure, because I don't want to go for them just to let me in. The problem is not me. The problem is that they have mandated this for so many people. And it's. It's fine if they. If people want to get vaccinated, but to mandate it and then to not offer religious or medical exemptions is not okay. So, no, I would not go if they just let me in. If they removed the mandate or accepted these medical exemptions, I would consider it. But I do feel like I'D get a lot of backlash from Hawaii for going, of course.

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[B]

Wow.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

How does that all work out?

[B]

Honestly, I think it's a really hard thing to talk about because the church is one thing and the school is another. Although the church does influence the school and the school bases itself off of these morals that we have. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I'm very proud to be one. I believe in my faith. I know my faith. I love my faith. But I've had a lot of backlash being like, oh, you're bashing the church for speaking out about this, which I'm not. If you read the post, I'm talking about my faith the whole time. So it's hard because the church has come out and said, consult with your medical providers and decide what's best for you. There is no mandate, no discrimination if you're not getting the vaccine, although it's encouraged, if you feel that it's fine for you. Right. But the school, on the other hand is like, nope, you have to get it. There's no if, ands or buts about it. So it's hard to differentiate the two because the church is saying one thing while the school is saying the other. Although the school bases itself off of these church morals.

[A]

Has the church spoke up yet?

[B]

No, they haven't. I, I've had them tagged in my Instagram post. I've had them people commenting them, emailing them. I haven't heard a single thing.

[A]

So for any people that are LDs listening to this on radio or podcast, I would encourage you to write to BYU Hawaii. The same way I tell Catholics to reach out to Notre Dame, the same way I would tell evangelicals to reach out to, you know, whatever mainline evangelical school that's out there. If you find something that you disagree, if that's in your religious belief. So you are lds. And the, the kind of intersection here is very interesting because in the LDS community, I would imagine that kind of having hesitancy towards massive pharmaceutical intervention is a belief a lot of LDS families have.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

So how do they not grant you that medical exemption then?

[B]

I, I don't understand. You know, I, I find that my health is my responsibility and your health is your responsibility. Right. So my heavenly Father blessed me with the gift of agency. That was something I was born with, something I was given. I came here and that's what I believe. I have agency. And here in America, we're given liberty and it's the freedom to choose for ourselves. So we have our agency and our liberty. And that's not anyone's to take away from me. That is my own choice. So for this school to say that, oh, well, I should just get a different vaccine or I should get an MRNA vaccine because I should be fine. How are you allowed to say that?

[A]

But it's not your government taking that away. No church sponsored school.

[B]

And that's where it's hard, because it's not the church, but it's a church sponsored school. So it's. So it's confusing.

[A]

You would think, at least I would, that of all places that would at least honor that kind of liberty would be an LDS institution for sure. And you appealed directly to the president.

[B]

Directly to the president.

[A]

And they said, no, take your risk, you might die.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Thanks for shopping.

[B]

Yeah. And that, that was the hard part. And I do believe that. So it's not all church schools, BYU Provo, BYU, Idaho and BYU Pathway. That's not something that they've mandated, but it is in Hawaii. And so obviously, with Hawaii being the way it is, it's more of a leftist state. And I'm sure that more people there believe that the vaccine is only going to help them, which if that's what they want to believe, fine. But it's not that the church is mandating it on the school, but the school has decided to mandate it on itself.

[A]

So according to vaers, which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, there have now been 9,048 deaths associated with the Chinese coronavirus vaccine. I want to tell you about Simone Scott. So here's a good thing. You're still breathing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're alive.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Simone Scott isn't. Let me tell you about Simone Scott. Simone Scott underwent a heart transplant one month after getting the second dose of the Moderna vaccine. She was perfectly healthy. She was 19 years old at Northwestern University. She got her second dose on May 1st and died on June 11th.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Developed myocarditis and died.

[B]

And how old was she again?

[A]

She was 19.

[B]

Oh, wow. A year older than me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So you're still breathing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But then in a weird way, it's like, no, Olivia, you must get vaccinated because you might die. And your. Your doctor literally says the vaccine actually is a greater risk of. Than you getting. Covid.

[B]

Right, Covid.

[A]

That has a 0.04% death rate for all the population.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And an immeasurable death rate for people under the age of 30.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And again, I want to reemphasize this because people are cutting in and out, and sometimes they're listening, you know, sparingly. Byu, Hawaii, you have to get it, but a professor doesn't.

[B]

Correct. Yeah.

[A]

If it was. So if this was. Is there something nefarious going on here where they want the children to get it, but they don't care if the adults do?

[B]

No idea.

[A]

Maybe there might be something else at play here. And so what. What are your. What. I want to talk more about the kind of cultural side of this which. So talk about the negative pressure and response you've gotten from your friends. Have you lost friends over this stance for this opinion?

[B]

I've lost a few. I've. All my. Most of my family and my friends have been nothing but kind and supportive. They know what I went through, and so they don't want to see me go through that again. It was the hardest month of my life when I was paralyzed. It was incredibly difficult. But I've also had some people be like, wow, do you just want attention? Are you just doing this for attention? And that was never the intent. I really posted my Instagram post to tell my family and friends that I wouldn't be going anymore, but that I knew my heavenly father had a different path for me. I would be okay, but I wanted to bring, like, the situation. And then when it blew up, I was like, wow, people need to know about this. And I've had so many people thank me. But I also have so many people being like, you just don't understand, or I'm getting called a racist or not wanting a vaccine. It's so. It just is confusing. And yes, I've lost friends, but it's worth it to me because these kids don't have the ability or they're too afraid to stand up for what they truly believe and they're conforming to this vaccine. And I don't understand how that's okay.

[A]

And I also want to make this very clear. Lockdowns are coming again and masks are coming because we don't even know the efficacy of this vaccine.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Nancy Pelosi staffer contracted Covid today, Is that right? I think that's right. And the Texas Democrats left Washington D.C. with Budweiser. They came home with Corona. And five of them, right? Is that RIN5? Five of the Texas Democrats. They don't have to wear masks on airplanes. I hope and pray Nancy Pelosi has hydroxychloroquine handy. I hope and pray she can come out and say that ivermectin saved her life, because the vaccine at this point is not going to save her life. So Nancy Pelosi will get the best treatment in the world. She'll probably be fine. I don't wish death upon anyone. Even our political opponents, they wish death upon us, which is obviously how they do things. So Nancy Pelosi has Covid and she got the vaccine. So even if you got the vaccine, you might not be inoculated against it, but you might have the downside.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So we're seeing the. Is this right? 9759. Connor, there's all these numbers. This is. This is the con game that's being played right now is that no one has any agreed upon information. So, hey, cnn, where's the ticker? On the side of your. On the side of your ridiculous news broadcast of adverse events due to vaccine. How many deaths according to vaccine? So it's fought 4,903 deaths according to VAERS. It's been that way forever. It's not moving yet. The COVID death count on CNN was going up every single day. It hasn't been updated since the 9th of July. And by the way, some people think that some people think that the VAERS is like one tenth of the real number. A certain whistleblower says it's over 50,000. Right. So Nancy Pelosi has contracted COVID 19. Is that because Nancy Pelosi was hanging out with all those Texas Democrats? Is that right? Probably why I thought that Nancy Pelosi wears masks all the time. I thought masks prevent this entire thing. So, Olivia, you're courageous. Do you want more people to be courageous?

[B]

I would love for more people to be courageous. It's hard to see.

[A]

Do you feel free because of your decision?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Talk about that.

[B]

Well, it's not what I expected and this last week has been insane, but it has given me so much hope. I know that there is a greater cause than for me to go to BYU Hawaii. And like all these kids that are going through the same thing need to speak up about it because we are the future generation of this world in this country. Like, we need to stand up for what we believe because if not, we are all going to conform to society for the rest of our lives and no one will be able to speak up for what we truly believe to be true.

[A]

And our generation is quite honestly being used as this massive petri dish experiment when adults are not even having to comply. I mean, if you have a mandate, a moral mandate, a very basic one, is you should not steal from future lives for your own life. That is a very basic moral. I don't care if you're secular or atheist. There is no other moral argument against that. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And yet BYU Hawaii, they say kids must take this experimental vaccine and adults don't have to. Have you had. So BYU Hawaii is a lot of people involved. Have there many adults or donors that have stood up and said, olivia, I'm standing by you. Anyone publicly that stood out and spoke out?

[B]

I've had a lot of turning point people reach out to me and say, we hear you, we love you, we appreciate you, it's great and I appreciate them. But no one from BYU Hawaii directly has been like, you know what, we're going to work on this and we're going to make it better and we're going to change this. No one at all.

[A]

Well, that doesn't shock me. And that's not an indictment of BYU or LDS world. That's just an indictment of Western society, quite honestly, where it's just kind of in. This is the same thing at Notre Dame, by the way.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Where Notre Dame has mandated the vaccine for almost all their students and no Catholics are speaking out at all. Like nothing. Which is just shocking. But here's what gives me hope, is that your story is now being heard literally across the entire country and throughout all podcasts across the country. So, Olivia, I want to ask you this question. Someone said that this inoculation policy is based on the state of Hawaii's requirement that students coming to the state must be inoculated. Is that true?

[B]

No, not true at all.

[A]

Is the University of Hawaii mandating vaccines for their students?

[B]

No, the University of Hawaii has not mandated. Mandated it. And if you go to Hawaii or plan to move to Hawaii, all you need is a negative COVID test and then get Covid tested again into quarantine.

[A]

This guy says BYU is obligated to follow the state's law. It's not state law.

[B]

It's not state law.

[A]

So then he says, charlie, please don't denigrate BYU Hawaii on national radio without getting their explanation. Well, I think we got their explanation from you. Right. And so I guess the other question is. So University of Hawaii, which is the public school, is not mandating it?

[B]

No.

[A]

But the LDS private school is.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How's that possible?

[B]

I don't know. And it's really hard because BYU Hawaii is this great place where people from all nations come and they join together. And so I see there that they're trying to keep their community safe. I realize that. But that doesn't mean that mandating a vaccine is the right way to go about it. And then not offering any exemptions, religious or medical, philosophical, you name it. There is nothing that they have granted for any students. And that's not fair that like there's kids who work so hard to get there and now can't go over something they can't control.

[A]

Yeah. So it's not state law. It's not mandated. For example, I could travel to Hawaii right now unvaccinated, which I'm not getting vaccinated, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I just haven't have a negative COVID test.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The BYU Hawaii is not. They're creating their own law.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They're creating their own rules.

[B]

And it's for their campus.

[A]

Just for their campus.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So the LDS school has become like this pro vaccination portal. Basically.

[B]

I would say the school has to say, as an LDS school, it's confusing because there's other LDS schools that have not done this.

[A]

Yeah, it's really. It's really confusing to me because University of Hawaii is not doing that Right. Which is a public school. You would think that they would be at least at the same pairings of that.

[B]

Well, and BYU Hawaii only has about 3,000 students. It's a very small school compared to the University of Hawaii, which I assume is a bigger school.

[A]

I'm sure.

[B]

How. It just doesn't make sense.

[A]

No, it doesn't. So in closing here, how old are you?

[B]

18.

[A]

18 years old. What do you have to say for people that just think this is going to get better and you just set out to leave? Has this been a. Has this been a learning lesson for you?

[B]

It has. It has really shown me that if I want something to happen, I need to speak up for what I believe. As I was growing up, my dad always was the one who told me, hey, today of all year at school, be the one to change something. Be the one to reach out to someone who's sitting alone. And that was something I learned all growing up, that I needed to speak up for what I believed in, to defend my church, to defend what I believe. And it's. If anyone goes against that, that's fine. That's their own opinion. But I know what I know. And so it really has shown me, like, if you want something to happen and you want a change to occur, you need to speak up about it. I can't be the only one. It's great that the media is starting to cover this and people are starting to talk about it, but other kids need to speak up and do the same. Because I know I am not alone. I've received thousands of direct messages on Instagram of kids saying, I'm going through the same thing. I'm scared. I think I'm going to get vaccinated and still go, even though I don't feel comfortable. What should I do? They need to stick up for what they believe.

[A]

Stick up for what you believe. Be courageous and understand there is a cost to this for sure. Right. Understand that this is going to. This is going to have to require a price.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're okay with that?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Some people are emailing me saying, you can lead a massive class action lawsuit.

[B]

That's not something that I have intended, unfortunately.

[A]

It puts you in this position. And for parents out there, I just want to end with this note. We can't keep on having people like Olivia have to uproot their entire life's plans because of this fear that but honestly super unfounded, that if every student at the University of Hawaii gets vaccinated, the stats show that some of them might have some adverse events in reaction. We know how to deal with the virus. There's ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine. We're near herd immunity. Did you have Covid already?

[B]

I am not sure. I was sick for a while about a year when this all started.

[A]

You took the antibodies test too?

[B]

I haven't yet, but I never went and got tested because I just stayed home and we were in quarantine anyway.

[A]

Well, thank you for your courage. We need thousands of more Americans to not comply, to push back and to say, I don't care what the cost is, I'm going to stand my ground and stand up against these tyrants and these despots, not Hawaii state law being imposed by some other organization that's trying to make you less free. And quite honestly, it could kill you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's time for Americans to start to do something about this in massive numbers. Email us your thoughts, everybody. Freedom@charlie kirk.com. olivia, how could people stay in touch with you? What's your Instagram?

[B]

My Instagram is live.sandor sand dor.

[A]

Very good. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win the American culture war. That's tpusa.com thanks so much for listening, everybody. God bless. Speak to you soon. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.