A Confirmation Battle for Charlie’s Legacy

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: "A Confirmation Battle for Charlie’s Legacy"
Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode revolves around two central themes: the ongoing confirmation battle of Jeremy Carl, President Trump and Charlie Kirk's pick for Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations, and broader conversations on media narratives, cultural trends, and political strategies on both sides of the aisle. The episode is an energetic blend of culture war commentary, behind-the-scenes insights into government nominations, and realpolitik assessment of Democratic and Republican tactics. The tone is unapologetically conservative, brash, and often confrontational—typical of Charlie Kirk’s brand.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jeremy Carl’s Nomination Saga

[01:09 – 09:31]

• Host Introduction: Charlie Kirk introduces Jeremy Carl, noting the honor and controversy around his nomination.
• Senate Hearing Ordeal:
  • Jeremy Carl describes facing hostile questions in his Senate confirmation hearing, particularly on race and his book, The Unprotected Class, which addresses anti-white discrimination.
    • Jeremy Carl [03:06]:
      “Even if you're somebody like me … when you have a bunch of very hostile senators controlling the microphone and saying, ‘Have you no decency? How dare you have that view?’ It's very easy to recant or go back. And I didn't do that at all. I stood by my beliefs... I kept my integrity. That was really the most important thing to me.”
  • The hosts express frustration with the “bad faith framing” and what they characterize as outdated lines of attack from Democrats.
• Republican Skepticism:
  • The group calls out Republican Senator Curtis of Utah for skepticism based on Carl’s perceived insufficient support for U.S.-Israel policy.
  • Carl’s Defense: He points to Charlie Kirk and the late George Shultz (Reagan’s Secretary of State, also his mentor) as evidence of his strong pro-Israel credentials, and denounces UN bias against Israel.
    • Jeremy Carl [05:35]:
      “There's no question that for the actual job that I would be put in … I would be foursquare for every element of the US Israel alliance. This is not a tough question. It's not a close call.”
• Strategy Going Forward:
  • Carl expresses hope for a meeting with Senator Curtis to clarify his views and notes the White House remains firmly supportive despite opposition campaigns.
  • Jeremy Carl [09:09]:
    “I really do feel like if he gives me a little bit of time to speak with him, I think he'd be very reassured...”

Notable Moments & Quotes

• Charlie Kirk [03:13]:
  “Charlie fought for your nomination ... You were one of the people he really wanted to get into the government. He was very excited about it, really fought for you.”

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2. The Bigger Picture: Goals for the UN Role

[10:46 – 13:44]

• Why Take the Job?

  • Carl explains his motivation to choose the international organizations role, seeing it as a place to drive reform and promote American sovereignty.
    • He criticizes the “shop talk” culture of the UN and vows to push for concrete action, not “global government.”
    • Main priorities: Countering Chinese influence, supporting Israel at the UN, defending US sovereignty, and stopping “migration abuse” facilitated by the UN system.
    • Jeremy Carl [12:37]:
      “The United Nations ... has been a longtime source of frustration to those of us who are America first, to those of us who believe in American sovereignty ... What I want to do is have the UN do a limited set of things and actually do them effectively and advance US interests.”

• UN as a Force for Good (or Not):

  • Citing Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s Munich speech, the hosts argue that real international change has to come from US strength, not the UN bureaucracy.

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3. Political Messaging: Democrats’ Shifting Strategies

[24:44 – 29:54]

• Montage of Democratic Moderation?
  • The hosts play recent quotes from Barack Obama (on homelessness), Hillary Clinton (on migration and border security), and Andy Beshear (on moderation and reducing polarization), suggesting Democrats are repositioning ahead of the 2026 and 2028 elections to sound more centrist.
  • Charlie Kirk [27:23]:
    “To me, it's obvious what they're doing … they cannot get elected saying the things that they believe. So now there's a long campaign to get them to say things that they don't believe, but that sound good in the hopes that they can get elected and then not do any of those things. It's a total con job.”
• "Going Full Virginia":
  • The group discusses the radical shift in Virginia politics as a model for broader Democratic legislative overreach when in power—new taxes, bans, and voting laws—and asserts Republicans should learn to use power as unapologetically.

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4. The Epstein Documents Dump

[33:13 – 38:57]

• Key Revelations and Patterns:
  • Explores the newly released Department of Justice documents listing hundreds of individuals associated (at various levels) with Jeffrey Epstein.
  • Emphasis on the connections of Democratic megadonor Reid Hoffman, highlighting his close, sustained relationship with Epstein and major contributions to Democratic Party initiatives.
    • Unidentified Host 1 [34:23]:
      “Reid Hoffman stayed at Jeffrey Epstein's ranch, private island, … He bought ice cream for the girls... and talked about how much they missed each other. That is five years of emails if they emailed once every day.”
• Media Narrative and Missing Context:
  • Acknowledgement that much information is still unverified or out of context, and concern that innocent people may be smeared alongside the guilty.
  • Charlie Kirk presses on the “real” missing piece:
    Charlie Kirk [36:56]:
    “The main one is that through … all this influence stuff, Jeffrey Epstein was a tried and true Democrat. … The one thing that I want to know is which intel agencies was he working for?”
• Conspiratorial Frustration:
  • The hosts express deep frustration that, despite mass disclosure, the public still doesn’t know which intelligence agencies Epstein may have worked for—a recurring conservative suspicion.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Jeremy Carl on Senate Hearing:

  “It's very easy to recant ... And I didn't do that at all. I stood by my beliefs ... I kept my integrity. That was really the most important thing to me going into the hearing.”
  (03:06)

• Defending Israel at the UN:

  "There's no question that for the actual job that I would be put in if I'm confirmed by the Senate ... I would be foursquare for every element of the US Israel alliance ... It's really obvious that frankly the behavior toward Israel in the UN system is egregious."
  (06:55)

• On Countering UN Ineffectiveness:

  “What I want to do is have the UN Do a limited set of things and actually do them effectively and advance US interests … there's a lot of things that we could be doing, need to be doing in these bodies.”
  (12:14)

• On Democratic Election Strategy:

  “They understand they cannot get elected saying the things that they believe. So now there's a long campaign to get them to say things that they don't believe, but that sound good in the hopes that they can get elected and then not do any of those things. So ... it's a total con job.”
  (27:23)

• Epstein Document Dump – The Real Question:

  “The one thing that I want to know is which intel agencies was he working for ... After all these years, I just assume all the documents ... that tell us those things ... are gone.”
  (36:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:09]–[09:31]: Jeremy Carl recounts his Senate hearing experience, attacks over his book, and addresses skepticism from Republican Senator Curtis about his Israel stance.
• [10:46]–[13:44]: Carl outlines what his priorities would be at the UN if confirmed.
• [24:44]–[29:54]: Analysis of Democratic leaders' public messaging shift and the Virginia "radical agenda" as a case study.
• [33:13]–[38:57]: Dissection of the Jeffrey Epstein document dump, focus on Democratic donor Reid Hoffman's relationship with Epstein, and the lack of intel agency accountability.

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Concluding Thoughts

• Jeremy Carl expresses gratitude for support from Charlie Kirk and the conservative base, reaffirms commitment to serve if confirmed, and the hosts make a respectful push for Utah listeners to contact Senator Curtis.

  • Jeremy Carl [18:26]:
    “My final message I think is that I would love to have the opportunity to serve the president and the country in this role. I really appreciate the support of you guys. I mean, Charlie was, it was such a huge, huge loss … but I love the fact that you guys are carrying on his legacy and really appreciative of your support now and over the years.”

• The episode closes with cultural commentary (Robert Duvall’s death), media criticism, and assurances that the show will continue to provide “clarity in a sea of chaos.”

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Overall Tone: Combative, advocacy-oriented, with urgent calls to action for listeners—particularly around political organizing, engagement on confirmations, and skepticism towards mainstream narratives.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the.

[Jeremy Carl]

Future of our republic.

[Charlie Kirk]

My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up, everybody.

[Jeremy Carl]

Here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Unidentified Host 1]

All right, hour two, the Charlie Kirk show is underway. Welcome back. So excited to have Jeremy Carl back on the show. Welcome to the show. Jeremy Carl, you have been nominated for assistant Secretary of State for international organizations. I got it. It's a bit of a mouthful of a title, but what an honor to be nominated. Welcome back to the show. It's so good to see you. How you doing?

[Jeremy Carl]

I'm doing great. I had a fun time in D.C. last week, despite all the fireworks. I truly did. And, you know, I'm just. As I said, as you said, it was an honor to be nominated and looking forward to hopefully being able to join.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, well, so. And Blake, I mean, feel free to chime in here, but you had one of the more eventful nomination hearings that we've seen in recent memory, and, boy, did they come after you with just. I mean, it was like hyperbole, which.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Which you knew was gonna. I talked to you before that hearing and you said, like, I. I'm gonna have to sit there and just get, you know, raked over it for a couple hours. And that's exactly what they did.

[Unidentified Host 1]

They called you very every name in the book. I mean, this. Yeah, this was just. It felt like, you know what, it felt like a throwback to, like, 2020 or, like 2019 or something like that. 2021. And I just was like, have, like, are we really still. Like, are you still going with these bad answers?

[Unidentified Host 2]

Are we going to. Yeah. Are we gonna let them do this sort of bad faith framing of everything? And also, as we talked about last week, that Bit where they just pretend to not know what people are talking about. So they went after you, of course, for your book, which is a great book and people should read it. And the unprotected class, they're gonna rake you over the coal because you say America has anti white discrimination in it. Well, it does. They brag about it and demand more of it all the time. But, yeah, you know, what do you have to say, Jeremy, about.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Do you still. Do you still stand by this idea, Jeremy?

[Jeremy Carl]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks.

[Jeremy Carl]

And that was actually the most. The part I was most proud of about the hearing is there's, you know, it's a high pressure environment when you go in there. And even if you're somebody like me, who's certainly spoken in public for. On many occasions when you have a bunch of very hostile senators controlling the microphone and saying, have you no decency? How dare you have that view? It's very easy to recant or go back. And I didn't do that at all. I stood by my beliefs, which I certainly do believe very strongly. I kept my integrity. That was really the most important thing to me going into the hearing. And just the sort of avalanche of positive correspondence and comments that I got afterward really convinced me that obviously not just morally, but practically that was the.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Right thing to do.

[Unidentified Host 2]

All right, well, we definitely wanted to have you on because Charlie fought for your nomination. He was one of the people. You were one of the people. He really wanted to get into the government. He was very excited about it, really fought for you. But you're facing, obviously a ton of opposition from Democrats. But what's been frustrating to us to hear is there's been some skepticism from one of the Republicans on the committee, Senator Curtis from Utah. And his expressed reason was very odd to us. He believes you were not supportive enough of America's policy towards Israel. And he basically said you would be bad for that role because you're going to the United Nations. Now, that's shocking to us because we know Charlie was a huge supporter of Israel and us, you know, protecting them in the Middle East. So the floor is yours to respond to Senator Curtis concerns.

[Jeremy Carl]

Yeah, and I want to be first sympathetic to Senator Curtis. I mean, I think if you were primarily viewing this from the media oppo dumps that were happening in the weeks up to the hearing and then certainly the comments the Democrats were making, you know, maybe you would be skeptical, but I certainly would point, as you note, to Charlie's support of me. And Charlie was. Was really, of course, a great supporter of the US Israel relationship. And I also, of course, worked as the right hand man for a decade for the late Secretary of State George Shultz, who was Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State and was also sort of second to none as a champion of the US Israel relationship. So I'd certainly point to things like that and the fact that those two gentlemen chose to be in my corner over a number of years. Secretary Shultz and Charlie, of course, both sadly no longer with us, but that sort of speaks to my views. And then obviously just personally within the UN system itself, I mean, there's no question it's a hotbed of anti Semitism. The focus on Israel they have there is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. It wastes time from actual productive things that could be accomplished. And there's no question that we are their biggest ally in that system where they often don't have other allies. And we just like any other close ally we have, we have to be very supportive of them in that context. And I would certainly just say that not just because of Senator Curtis, but I would have said it if I could have gotten more than two words edgewise in the hearing itself.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Well, and by the way, I mean, much has been made. You grew up Jewish, apparently. But it's also, it doesn't mean that you don't have critiques of the status quo relationship or the way that money flows or any of that stuff. All of that stuff is on the table. But to say, you know, you are broadly supportive of that ally and of that relationship, their right to exist, their right to defend themselves. So I don't know even what the to do was about, to be perfectly honest. It's like, yeah, you can have critiques without basically saying, hey, we need to blow up this whole relationship or something.

[Jeremy Carl]

Well, that's right. And I mean there's, I mean, I had a huge amount of support very publicly on the eve of the hearing and afterwards from prominent members of the pro Israel community. All of our UN ambassadors were supportive. The global envoy we have for addressing anti Semitism issues was supportive. So that's there. I have at times said some things that were critical of some sub aspect of it, but none of that really impinges on what we're doing in the un. There's no question that for the actual job that I would be put in if I'm confirmed by the Senate, that I would be foursquare for every element of the US Israel alliance. This is not a tough question. It's not a close call. It's really obvious that frankly the behavior toward Israel in the UN system is egregious and we should be fully supportive of them in that context.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Yeah. It's been so galling to me to see this happen because we have to have all these Democrats on stage posturing about this when they're the party that's allied with Mamdani, they're the party that has people routinely demanding boycotts who are routinely saying, like, there's one big villain in the Middle east, genocide. The genocide word, of course, like. And they're endlessly using this as part of their wider front, as you're well aware, that they attack Israel basically because they see it as Western, because they see it as European, because they see it as, they code it as white, as we say. And as we see, this administration is standing up for those things. That's why Secretary of State Marco Rubio, we were just touting his speech in Munich where he says we are going to confidently stand for Western civilization and we have to be doing that at the UN and you're one of Charlie and President Trump's picked men to do that at the un.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah. And so, Jeremy, your view on it right now is you have a sympathetic view towards Senator Curtis. We got 30 seconds in this last segment. Are we hopeful? Are you meeting with him? Is there any news there?

[Jeremy Carl]

I'm hopeful. I mean, obviously the hearing just happened. I've got, I don't want to sort of name names because the process is going on, but I've got some senators who are very strongly in my corner and who I think would love to make a meeting happen so that I could sort of clarify a bit more of my background and interests and in these sorts of issues to Senator Curtis. I really do feel like if he gives me a little bit of time to speak with him, I think he'd be very reassured in this area. So I hope to get the chance to do just that.

[Unidentified Host 1]

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[Unidentified Host 1]

So, Jeremy Carl is with us. He obviously was a version of the Salem Witch Trials at the Senate for his Democrat counterparts there. So you didn't get to talk about the substance of the actual job and what makes you competent, which is, I think, the whole point. They wanted to distract from the fact that you are one of the most articulate, competent, I would say, defenders of, of American values, of President Trump's platform, his foreign policy. They didn't want you to talk about any of that. So, you know, the floor is now yours. Jeremy, why do you want this job and what do you hope to accomplish?

[Jeremy Carl]

Yeah, thanks so much. And I was actually at the beginning of this process, which was further back than any of you would probably believe. Even if I told you I was given a choice of a few different portfolios that I might have had, and really, after thinking about it a little bit, chose this one as a place where I could really make an impact. Because, look, the United nations and certainly many other international organizations have been a longtime source of frustration to those of us who are America first, to those of us who believe in American sovereignty. I mean, there's no question that, as President Trump has said, they have great potential, but they have not lived up to that potential. But, but I think there's a lot of things that we could be doing, need to be doing in these bodies. There's sort of a horseshoe effect, I think, a little bit here, where the people who are sort of most opposed to the UN in the United States and the people who are actually inside the UN kind of want the same thing, which is to have a bunch of shop talk and not really a lot of useful, concrete action on the things that the UN should be doing, which really primarily should focus around keeping the peace and certainly not being a global government. What I want to do is have the UN Do a limited set of things and actually do them effectively and advance US Interests in them. So that means we want to be countering China and Chinese Influence everywhere we can. We want to be in the standards bodies and making sure we elect Americans in those standards bodies. There's 56 different, I believe, standards bodies within the UN system, ranging from the International Atomic Energy Agency to the International Telecommunications Union. People don't necessarily think about them in the US that much, but they actually end up often having enormous influence on what we do. So you start with things like that. You start with the US Israel relationship, which I talked about there. And we need to be very good protectors of Israel and other allies. And there's really just, you know, it's a huge organization. There's so many different moving parts. But I think aggressively moving on issues of U.S. sovereignty, trying to stop the migration abuse that we've seen that has led to open borders throughout the world, which is often enabled by the UN system. Those would be kind of the priorities that I would have that I have if I'm confirmed for the job, which, of course, I didn't get to talk about during the hearing.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You know, there was that powerful moment in Secretary Rubio's speech where he says, the UN has the ability to do a lot of good. It could be a tool for good. And then he goes through the list of instances where it actually was useless. But it took American might. It took B2 bombers in Iran, it took special forces in Venezuela. It took those European partners coming together along with the US to even get peace negotiations, a discussion to even begin between Ukraine and Russia. What did you make of Secretary Rubio's speech? And what are you pulling out? What are the through lines that you're pulling out from that moment?

[Jeremy Carl]

Yeah, I mean. Well, first of all, I'm glad you mentioned it was absolutely terrific speech. I'm not just saying that because he may be my boss at some point in the near future, but I thought it was outstanding. I thought it did a great job of having a really hopeful vision and also really stressing the importance of American sovereignty and American power at the same time. I thought the critique of the UN was right on. And it really gets to what I was just saying earlier, which is, well, okay, is the UN gonna just sit there and be a place that talks shop and doesn't actually get anything done? If I were in the un, that wouldn't really strike me as something that would be enhancing my power and credibility. And so what I want to do is to have, hopefully be able to effectuate under US Leadership some internal reforms so that we can act in places like Venezuela and we're not just sort of hamstrung by these infinitely kind of back and forth processes that are all just about virtue signaling.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Yeah, it's really great to emphasize this because it's already bad enough people might be asking, why are we having this hearing about you? It's because you were nominated way back last spring and then the Senate's taken a while on a lot of nominees and thankfully they resubmitted you again. The White House has really stood by you and that's one reason it's so important to get you in. They've admirably stood by their people, even where they faced some, you know, bad faith opposition. And I want to make sure we get to this. So especially if you are in Utah, we want you to call Senator Curtis's offices.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Respectfully. Respectfully, Jeremy didn't know we were doing this. Don't, don't flip out.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Don't, don't badmouth him. Don't say anything nasty. Just say, especially, call him regardless, but especially if you're in Utah, give him a call. His D.C. office is 202-224-5251. Let's repeat that for the podcast people. 202-224-5251. Say you're calling you're a Utah voter. If you're from there. And you say, I'm calling about Jeremy Carl's nomination to be Assistant Secretary of State for International organizations. Mention that he was one of Charlie's favorites. He really wanted him in that post. And you want the senator to honor Charlie.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I want to, I want to underscore, be, be respectful.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Respectful.

[Unidentified Host 1]

And I also want to underscore that Jeremy didn't know we were doing this, so I just.

[Jeremy Carl]

Yeah, okay.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Carl]

I did not plan this, I promise.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Please, please, please know this could backfire, Jeremy, if you if handled poorly. So just be very respectful to the senator. And you know, I'm still hopeful because, Jeremy, I know you're a man of great charm and whimsy and I know.

[Jeremy Carl]

That well, I'm hoping I can. And I'm glad. Also you mentioned the degree to which the White House has stood by me, which I really appreciate. I mean, all of this stuff that did come out came out since my initial nomination and some of it was kind of known, or at least it was out there, so it wasn't a surprise. Others of it sort of surfaced for the first time and the White House took all of that into account and just said, hey, this is still our guy. It doesn't change our view of him. We know that he's a really strong guy and will be good in this. And I'm just incredibly appreciative of the support of President Trump and Secretary Rubio to really stand strong at a time when a lot of others would have folded.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, well, and listen, the viewpoints that the Democrats were hitting you with, the exchange you had with Cory Booker was hilarious to me. He's like, really? You believe that you held your ground. But it was just amazing to me that this was shocking to them. These are down the middle, completely mainstream conservative beliefs that you hold. And the more that they're going to try and gaslight the public and thinking that mainstream conservative beliefs, by the way, proven. We've got a billion clips that prove all of these positions, you know, whatever. The fact that they're still trying to act surprised about them at this point, Jeremy, is really. That's why I said I felt like I was in 2021, 2019, something like that, 2014 even. What's your final message?

[Jeremy Carl]

Well, my final message I think is that I would love to have the opportunity to serve the president and the country in this role. I really appreciate the support of you guys. I mean, Charlie was, it was such a huge, huge loss just personally, professionally. But I love the fact that you guys are carrying on his legacy and really appreciative of your support now and over the years.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Absolutely. Jeremy, Carl, we have your back. We expect to see you at the State Department soon.

[Unidentified Host 2]

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[Unidentified Host 1]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Good to be back. Thanks for having me.

[Unidentified Host 1]

So we have to start here. We just found out that Robert Duvall died, who is an iconic American actor, kind of old Hollywood and just I think he was a winger. Yeah, he was.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was supporting McCain back in 2008.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Well, that's.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Well, come on.

[Unidentified Host 1]

But with him. Okay, is it a sliding scale?

[Unidentified Host 2]

Well, I mean he got old. I think he was probably just less prominent because he was older.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Well, he died at 95. I mean he lived a good long life. And some of the most iconic clips. You have one pulled up, right?

[Unidentified Host 2]

Yes, yes, we have that ready to go. Let's make sure we have that number.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I thought you had it. All right, I say you have a clip ready.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Well, yeah, so let's do 298.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You smell that? Nate Pum, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hail bomb for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of them.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Not one stinking big body.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Smell. You know, that gasoline smell. The whole hill smells like victory. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Sean, I don't know if you saw the news, but if you have any thoughts on Robert Duvall, feel free.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so my favorite role of his, it wasn't on the big screen. It was in the TV miniseries of Lonesome Dove, which I think is the greatest American novel ever written. And he played Gus McRae. I think it's one of the greatest roles he ever played. It's one of the greatest characters ever written. And he was just spectacular.

[Unidentified Host 2]

He's a great role in my personal favorite film. At least I used to always say this. I'd have to rewatch it. It's been a while, but thank you for smoking the movie about the tobacco lobbyist. He's the. He's the tobacco baron.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh, interesting.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Tells you how to make a perfect mint julep. Taught to him by Fidel Castro.

[Unidentified Host 1]

All the. All the. Obviously the Godfather series, open range. Little appreciated movie of his, Days of Thunder, which is where Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman met and ended up getting married. But rubbing's racing, son, because he's. Tom Cruise is getting. Is complaining that they keep bumping his car, and he's like, it's not bumping. They didn't hit you. They rubbing you. Revin's racing. Anyways, so many good movies. John Q. The Great Santini, Jack Reacher, the Apostle. This guy is legitimately one of just the most. I mean, he's got movies in the 70s with Clint Eastwood, the network.

[Unidentified Host 2]

I mean, he played Bobby Lee in Gods and Generals.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, okay, I didn't see that second Handler.

[Charlie Kirk]

I forgot about Days of Thunder, which is the second greatest racing movie ever made after Talladega Nights. Ballad of Ricky Bobby.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, well, of course, everybody knows this, and you're a Southern gentleman at this point, Sean, so you can appreciate it. I'm actually supposed to go to my first NASCAR race march. I think maybe I've got that mistake anyway. I've never been. But a lot of people love it. A lot of people are saying, all right, that's not why I had. We had you on. But the news just broke and, you know, I. I love lifting up a. Actually a talented actor that didn't disgrace himself that died of natural causes. There wasn't some crazy story involved. So, you know, God bless. God bless.

[Unidentified Host 2]

You love this country.

[Unidentified Host 1]

He did. He's real American. What I wanted to bring in. Sorry, I'm still getting over something. Need all family pharmacy to help me out here. So what I wanted to get in here, Sean, is there was a couple of clips that I couldn't help noticing and drawing a pattern. First one up, let's just start with Obama, because he went on this podcast, made a little bit of News 242.

[Charlie Kirk]

The same would be true, let's say, here in Los Angeles, around the homeless issue. The average person, you know, doesn't want to have to navigate around a tent city in the middle of downtown and that we're not going to be able to build a working majority and support for the resources that we need to help folks like that. We're not going to be able to generate support for it if we simply say, you know what, it's not their fault.

[Unidentified Host 1]

And so they should be able to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do whatever they want because that's a losing political strategy.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Okay. So my ears perked up when I heard that. But then I heard another clip. Sean from hildebeest241 I think we need.

[Charlie Kirk]

To call it for what it is. Secretary. There is a legitimate reason to have a debate about things like migration.

[Jeremy Carl]

It went too far.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's been disruptive and destabilizing and it needs to be fixed in a humane way with secure borders that don't torture and kill people.

[Unidentified Host 1]

And she even, Sean, you noticed she was doing the thumb thing, the Clinton thumb point. So I really, yeah, my ears perked up. And then it all came together. It all crystallized with Andy Beshear, the touted renowned moderate from Kentucky. Play cut 240. How do you respond to a Democratic.

[Charlie Kirk]

Voter who might say, I like you.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I like your track record in a red state or red commonwealth, but you're too soft spoken. Yes, that message is working.

[Jeremy Carl]

Look at Abigail Spanberger and Mikey Sherrill.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Who ran great campaigns in races that.

[Jeremy Carl]

Should have been structurally difficult, and they.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Both won by double digits. You know, the DGA and our candidates are winning everywhere.

[Jeremy Carl]

Many Americans feel like the pendulum swung.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Too far during the Biden administration and it swung way too far during the Trump administration. And what they want is an America where they can wake up every morning and not be worried about its future. Ah, so, okay, so Virginia is the model. Sean, you know all about Virginia and you know all about Spamberger. What do, what are you gleaning from that series of clips we just played?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's fascinating to watch, especially all of them together. To me, it's obvious what they're doing, and it's that they understand. These, these Democrats, they understand they cannot get elected saying the things that they believe. So now there's a long campaign to get them to say things that they don't believe, but that sound good in the hopes that they can get elected and then not do any of those things. So you have Obama talking about dealing with the homeless problem. Democrats don't care about dealing with the homeless problem. But you have to say that because people are sick of it. They don't like being accosted by crazy drug addicts. On the streets. So, yeah, we'll pretend to care about that. With Hillary, you have to pretend to care about the borders, because that sounds sane. No, they don't care about the borders at all. And then you had Bashir, who's really. I don't even want to say he's a left wing nut job. He's kind of a nothing. He's the son of a popular former Kentucky politician and that's the only reason he's in office. But he let the mask slip there, especially with Spamberger, who's a total left wing nutjob, saying, look, we just have to pretend to believe these things and say things that sound nice, and then when we get in office, we don't have to do any of it. It's a total con job.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, well, and remind folks about Virginia. I mean, Virginia, like when I say you're going full Virginia in 28, like that's full basically radical leftist, communist DSA, certainly. I mean, they are taking Virginia a D6 state. I mean, Kamala held it by six points. They are taking it into a direction like it's a D40 state. This is absolutely radical stuff. And this is the playbook. Go. So what are they doing in Virginia?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so, I mean, they're all but banning ice. They're undoing everything Youngkin did to reform schools and on the trans issue. But I will have to say, in a certain just real politics sense, I admire the Democrats for what they're doing because they don't get stuck in this trap that Republicans get in when they get in office if they only win by a single vote. They do 100% of their agenda. And it's why they're able to make such massive sweeping cultural and political gains in the country. You look at Obamacare, that thing was a political disaster. They didn't care. They wanted to remake the country and they had to do it by remaking health care. And so I think Republicans actually can learn a little something from this, is that if you get in and you use power for your ends to reward your friends and constituency, you will be rewarded long term. And so Democrats, they lie and they cheat and they steal, but it works for them.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, I mean, this was just a few days after getting sworn in. New 4.3% sales tax on Uber Eats, Amazon, et cetera. New sales tax on admissions to a wide variety of businesses. Create two new higher tax brackets of 8% and 10% on people making over 600,000. A new 10% bracket for anyone making over a million 3.8% investment tax on top of state income taxes. Raise the hotel tax. New personal property tax on landscaping equipment. Ban gas powered leaf blowers, of course, because California's just paved the way on so much of this. Guarantee illegal aliens free education. Make it illegal to approach somebody at an abortion clinic. Extend the time absentee ballots can be received after election day to three days. Allow people to cast their votes electronically through the Internet. I mean, on and on and on it goes. Not to mention their redistricting fight where they're gonna have a single Republican district. Now it looks like that one has at least been stayed for a little while. They'll probably get it, what, in 2028, but it's not gonna make it in time for the midterms. I mean, they just went full radical to your point. But here's what's crazy is now you see the leaders of the party signaling to the base saying, hey, go a little bit lighter, little lighter touch. Fly under the radar. Don't be so radical. And guess what, you, if you do that, you get to go full Virginia in 26 and 28. I mean, it just, to me, it seems about the most clear thing I've seen in a long time. And to see, you know, Obama and Hillary still out front leading the charge. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi? For some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Yrefi can help. Just go to yrefi.com that's the letter Y. Then refi.com and remember why Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. The Justice Department has just released a number of names. So that over the weekend was a six page letter from the DOJ signed by Pam Bonnie and Todd Blanche and it released a series of names. And this is apparently all keeping with this transparency act. And it gave them a 30 day statutory like guideline to get this stuff out. And they have. And it feels like all hell's breaking loose. If you just look on X, it's like allegations are flying everywhere. People like Janis Joplin's in there. Elvis, like if you've been mentioned at all in like a, in a link of a, of an article, in an email from Jeffrey Epstein or somebody else, you are mentioned in this. What do we make of this? And like, how should we think about it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's been really interesting looking at all the stuff that's coming out. And yeah, there's a bazillion names in there, but there are some very key trends that we see. The main one is that through kind of his entire career of all this influence stuff, Jeffrey Epstein was a tried and true Democrat. The people who were talking to him the most often and going to his island were Democrats. You had people like Reed Hoffman. This is a guy who's been funding hoax after hoax on behalf of the Democrats. You had Reid hoffman, who was BFFs with Jeffrey Epstein. You had Kathy Rummler, who is Obama's ethics czar and, and his White House counsel, who is Epstein's fixer, who is involved in working with him to help mitigate scandals facing the Obama administration, even a Secret Service scandal. And you look at all this and you're like, man, this is a pretty common theme here. Like Democrats were completely in bed with this guy. And it's been really interesting to watch the media cover this and do everything they can to not mention Reid Hoffman who is in up to his neck in Epstein nonsense and, and now wants to pretend he was just a casual pen pal with the guy.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah. So this is from Kanekoa the Great said Reid Hoffman stayed at Jeffrey Epstein's ranch, private island in Manhattan apartment. He bought ice cream for the girls. That one's real fun. A metal sculpture for the island. Hoffman donated over $100 million to Democrat causes. He funded the fake Russian bots on Twitter and financed the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit. People forget that one. He funded Clear Choice PAC which used Lawfare to remove Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And Cornel west from the ballot in battleground states. So he's literally used his. So they emailed each other over 1700 times. I don't think I've emailed anybody 1700 times, like legitimately. They emailed each other 1700. They called each other very close friends, discussed the visits to Epstein's properties, private jet, shopping gift exchanges and talked about how much they missed each other.

[Unidentified Host 2]

That is, that is five years of emails. If they email once every day.

[Jeremy Carl]

Wow.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I mean, so it's, this is apparently the craziest email. Again, shout out to Kayna Koa the Great on X. In January 2015, as allegations that Epstein trafficked Virginia Roberts to Prince Andrew went global, Hoffman offered to help Epstein with his negative press coverage. Hmm, very, very fascinating. This is from CNN here. It says this new DOJ document. It also mentioned prominent individuals who had previously been linked to Epstein, including President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, former White House counsel Kathy Rummler, and billionaire business magnate Les Wexner. I. There's 3.5 million documents. People are still pouring through them, Sean. So we're still getting new details. People keep coming up with new kernels and new, new allegations. And it just seems like it's a frickin mess out there. And it feels like everything that our friend Mike Davis warned about earlier in the year, last year, has basically become true. That there is so much lack of context, there's so much, there's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of information and there's not a whole lot of guidance on what's true. What's like mere hearsay, what's, you know, out of context, just mentioning of names. And it does feel like a lot of the people, you didn't wanna listen to them at the time have been proven right, that people are just getting smeared and like out of nowhere innocent people are getting hurt and some of the victims are getting hurt too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, and you had Ro Khanna, another Reid Hoffman Democrat ally, go to the floor along with Thomas Massie. And they outed six people who were on there as people who were doing stuff with Epstein. They were random people in a, in a lineup that was tangentially related to Epstein. These are random people, they didn't do anything wrong. They apparently just had their photos taken at the wrong time. The thing that I find so exasperating is yes, we have a bazillion documents now and we're able to learn a lot. The one thing that I want to know is which intel agencies was he working for, which ones? I don't believe anyone when they tell me, oh, he wasn't doing anything with the CIA, he wasn't doing anything with Mossad, he wasn't doing anything with the Saudis. Nope, he was just a weird guy doing stuff. No one believes that. And I guess my frustration is after all this time, after all these years, I just assume all the documents they had, if they ever even had them, that tell us those things that answer those questions are gone. And I just find the whole thing maddening and frustrating because I feel like that's the one thing people want to know. Tell us who he was working for and. And that's the one thing apparently we're never going to get to know for certain.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Well, and it's like, why does he FOIA himself? Why does he FOIA the CIA twice? I know. Blake's is a naysayer.

[Unidentified Host 2]

I'm the big skeptic on all of this.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Sean. I think I'm completely with you. I don't believe it. I think it was soft power. Yeah, he's not like, here's your W2. For the CIA, it wasn't like that, guys. This was all soft power and behind the scenes, if that's what it was.

[Unidentified Host 2]

Then the question is like, how far does it go? Cause if it's a much more casual arrangement where he just deals in information sometimes, that's. I guess. Then you ask, what's the big scandal there? Because the claim is, of course, that he was doing intel ops that might blackmail people and trap people, get really involved.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think he was running. I think he was doing financial transactions and I think they let him do the kinky sex crap because he was valuable for them with the financial laundry and all that. But I don't think we'll ever know.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Gotta, gotta leave, gotta leave. There it there. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Thank you, Sean Davis.

[Charlie Kirk]

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