A Message from the Frontlines of America’s Faith Battle—LIVE with Pastor Jack Hibbs

Summary

Podcast Summary: "A Message from the Frontlines of America's Faith Battle—LIVE with Pastor Jack Hibbs"

The Charlie Kirk Show – September 12, 2021

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Overview

In this energetic and interactive live episode, Charlie Kirk hosts Pastor Jack Hibbs at Dream City Church, Phoenix, for a discussion at the intersection of faith, culture, and civic activism. The conversation focuses on how Christians can engage with current societal challenges, especially around education policy, public health mandates, and the wider culture war in America. The episode includes several audience Q&A sessions, local news updates, and practical action steps for faith-based involvement in civil issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Importance of Local Civic Engagement

• Charlie highlights the ongoing success of grassroots mobilization among parents in Scottsdale, Arizona, particularly in response to school board masking decisions (03:01–09:20).

  • Kirk and his wife led parents in contesting mask mandates, emphasizing that “evil does not like when it is called out” (08:18).
  • His wife's impactful moment of silence at a school board meeting for students lost to suicide is played:
    “I would like to have a moment of silence for the SUSD students who have committed suicide because of the mental health issues you all have created by enforcing reckless rules...” — Erica Franzvay [11:23].

• Actionable Local Activism:
  Kirk urges community members to take part in recall petitions and school board activism, stating his commitment to see leadership change through democratic means (09:20–10:55).

2. Churches and Pastors as Civic Leaders

• Pastor Jack Hibbs details the transformative role of his church in Southern California, from starting with six people to over 13,000 weekly attendees [15:48].
  • Hibbs explains their integrated approach: “52 weeks a year, we host voter registration. We know our school board members by name, we pray for them by name...” [16:22].
  • On keeping churches open during lockdowns:
    “God was good, though, because the Lord spoke to my heart and said, Jack, the church, my church is not essential and it’s not non-essential. My church is not a business. My church is transcendent.” — Jack Hibbs [24:25]
• Ballot Collection:
  Hibbs describes legally adapting to California’s “ballot harvesting” by establishing secure, monitored ballot drop-offs at his church, helping ensure voting integrity [18:10–19:38].

3. Theological and Historical Arguments for Civic Involvement

• Hibbs disputes the concept of "separation of church and state", stating it’s a misunderstanding of the founders’ intent (20:06–22:40).
  • Refers to Alexis de Tocqueville:
    “America is great because America is good. When America ceases to be good, she will no longer be great.” [21:41]
• Christians as Stewards:
  Both speakers stress the biblical mandate for Christians to steward their local communities and not outsource moral responsibilities to the state [22:41–25:08].

4. Responding to the “Woke” Movement and Cultural Shifts

• Hibbs laments the rise of progressive ideology (including BLM, Antifa) in churches and schools:
  “We need to find out who's really behind Black Lives Matter and who's really behind Antifa... It's a very, very old ideology.” [30:44–31:00]
• Legal Activism:
  Hibbs intentionally sends his sermons to the IRS and DOJ to assert a church’s right to speak on political matters [32:02].

5. Education: Homeschooling, Public, and Christian School Realities

• Explosion in Homeschooling:
  Kirk celebrates the post-COVID rise in homeschooling from 5 to 10 million families:
  “If, if you’re a family out there right now, you’re like, homeschooling intimidates me... do a version of homeschooling. … just say, we’re going to learn about American history.” [35:43–37:41]
• Exposure of Public School Agendas:
  Both speakers detail the challenges of graphic and ideological content in California schools, advocating for parental involvement and alternative education (34:04–35:08).
  • “We’re just about ready to launch … public school Detox … to be unteaching what they learned and teach them what they should have learned.” — Jack Hibbs [37:35–39:10]

6. Practical Action Steps for Listeners

• Contacting Legislators:
  Hibbs describes a successful phone and email campaign that helped kill a vaccine passport bill in California, urging other churches and communities to replicate such tactics (43:28–47:08).

• Sustained Activism:
  The urgency for Arizonans to not become complacent, using California as a cautionary tale [47:21–52:16].

• Biblical Justification of Civil Disobedience:
  The American Revolution is discussed as biblically justified rebellion against tyranny, referencing both Romans 13 and examples from Daniel and Acts [98:17–100:17].

  • “Romans 13 is in the Bible to protect the believer, not the government. … When the government ceases to do good, it's no longer under the authority of God.” — Jack Hibbs [99:30]

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• On Children and Masks:
  “God gave us a face for a reason... putting cloths over children has way more negatives than potential positives.” — Charlie Kirk [03:17]
• On Parental Activism:
  “You still have the power, everybody.” — Charlie Kirk [09:00]
• On School Curriculum:
  “California State Board of Education … must now teach the Aztec God of child sacrifice… children must recite the chant … not a spiritual war, right?” — Charlie Kirk [35:32]
• On the Power of Homeschooling:
  “You have 10 million families doing that, and it’s growing … all of a sudden, you’re going to see demographics in 30 years from now that are going to shock the world.” — Charlie Kirk [39:51]
• On Vaccine Mandates:
  “If you are a fit Marine … they could dishonorably discharge you … Are they willing to do that? Two months ago, I would have said no. Now, I don’t dismiss anything from this regime, to be perfectly honest with you.” — Charlie Kirk [68:40–69:52]
• On Christians' Civil Responsibilities:
  “As believers, the stewardship of this nation is our trust. We've forgotten that… We are to steward this America.” — Jack Hibbs [74:49]

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Audience Q&A Highlights

• Student Action Against Mask Mandates
  [53:21] 17-year-old Mary Virginia from Xavier asks how to protest school masking. Kirk: “If 100 moms showed up and demanded a meeting with the president ... this whole thing ends now.”
  Hibbs: “Banding together is the strength… Parents need to show this young generation courage.” [56:27]
• Sharing Conservative Values in School
  [57:57] 11-year-old Andrea asks about non-threatening ways to share her views. Hibbs and Kirk recommend learning the nation’s roots and being courageous [59:29–61:10].
• Christian Colleges Going ‘Woke’
  [61:16] Andrea Simpson notes few conservatives at Christian colleges. Hibbs:
  “You have to self-educate… These Christian universities … have divorced themselves from the American experience.” [62:26]
• Free College Debate
  [80:14] Cassie from ACU asks about responding to demands for free college. Kirk:
  “If you think college is expensive now, just wait till how expensive it is when it’s free… higher education has gone out of control.” [81:15–84:25]

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Call-to-Action / Closing Thoughts

• Stay Engaged:
  “Don’t expect your neighbor to do it. You do it… Don’t say, ‘I’m sure those people will vote, they’ll take care of it.’ … I want to be able to look God right in the face and say that I voted for a pro life candidate for governor.” — Jack Hibbs [50:53]
• Practical Resources:
  • Kirk and Hibbs repeatedly reference tools available on their websites, including vaccine exemption letters and civic action guides.
  • Community mobilization and information sharing highlighted as key tools for contemporary Christian activism.

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Important Timestamps

• 03:01–09:20 – Local school board activism against mask mandates
• 11:23–12:47 – Erica Franzvay’s school board speech/moment of silence
• 15:48–18:10 – Jack Hibbs’ church growth and approach to local politics
• 18:10–19:39 – Ballot collection and election integrity
• 20:06–25:08 – The importance of faith in public life
• 30:44–31:00 – Roots of BLM/Antifa and ideological issues in schools/churches
• 33:47–39:10 – Homeschooling movement and “public school detox”
• 43:28–47:08 – Grassroots campaigns to stop state vaccine passport bills
• 53:21–57:57 – Audience Q&A: activism, sharing values in school
• 68:39–74:49 – Military vaccine mandates and how to support resistant service members
• 98:17–100:17 – When to biblically disobey government; justification of the American Revolution

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Tone and Language

• Both Kirk and Hibbs mix impassioned rhetoric (“the enemy means for evil, God will use for good”) with humor and anecdotal stories.
• The tone remains direct, unapologetically conservative, and faith-forward, frequently invoking scripture, American founding history, and personal storytelling.

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Conclusion

This episode is a rallying call for Christians to step into public life, take action at the local school and government level, and reclaim cultural ground through education and activism. Kirk and Hibbs offer practical tools, historical perspectives, and theological justification for bold engagement in America's cultural battles, all while encouraging and equipping their audience for greater impact moving forward.

Transcript

[A]

Hey everybody. Happy Sunday. My conversation with Jack Hibbs live from Dream City Church. No advertisers today. And if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA Faith, Turning Point Faith. Have your pastor or your church get involved, go to tpusa.comfaith that's tpusa.com faith no advertisers today. And if you want to support our program, go to charliekirk.comsupport that's charliekirk.comsupport to get behind the work we are doing to try to reach millions of young people all across the country. And if you're inspired by this work and you know the work that our researchers do, I want to thank Laurie from Huntington Beach, California. I want to thank Susie from Oregon, Christine from North Carolina, again for your generous support. Ray From Cape Corral, Florida, thank you, Sherry from Overland Park, Texas. Charliekirk.com support we have the most amazing listeners, the most amazing supporters, seriously. God bless you guys. Thank you so much for all that you are doing to support us and get behind us. Charliekirk.com support email us your thoughts. Freedomarliekirk.com enjoy this conversation with Jack Kibbs. And then we take questions live from the audience. This Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk show. Tpusa.com faith you want to get involved with that? Buckle up, everybody here. Right we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[B]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[A]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[B]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[A]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey, everybody, you know, I, as you, as you know, I'm not getting vaccinated, so I'm not able to go to Broadway. So we had the Broadway show tonight, so I gotta say, it's pretty impressive. It's great to be here, everybody. We're gonna go over some local Arizona stuff and I'm not gonna talk for too long because we have the great Jack Hibbs here tonight and lots to go over. I want to just say thank you again to this wonderful church and church family that allows this to happen. And it is growing with momentum and I'm going to tell you some fun success stories that have come out of Freedom Square here in just the last month. And I have to say, I'm playing hurt here tonight on Friday. And a lot of you can sympathize with that. With this. I had all four of my wisdom teeth removed. So the fact that I'm here today, I think is actually a testament to Dr. Toll, who does a phenomenal. If anyone needs a dentist in Scottsdale, no opioids. Four days later, still doing radio and speaking at an event. That's. That's a God thing, I have to say. Glory to God.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So I. I didn't want to tell Jack this, but I invited Jack as the backup in case I wasn't opening my mouth at all here tonight. So now he knows really why he was invited here tonight. So a couple things I just want to. I want to say. The momentum continues to grow, and we here at Freedom Square have talked about the importance of school board involvement since the very beginning. Remember, the verse that we've been focusing on is Jeremiah 29:7, demand the welfare of the city or the place that I have sent you in, because your welfare is tied to your city's welfare. And so, as many of you know, the Scottsdale Unified School District, I believe, made a terrible mistake a couple weeks ago to decide not to listen to parents and say that every single child is going to be forced to wear a mask at the school at Scottsdale Unified School District, with very few waivers and very few exceptions in between. And we know what this does to childhood development. We know what this does to emotional development. We know what this does to spiritual development. God gave us a face for a reason. And we know that putting cloths over children has way more negatives than potential positives. And so we kind of sent out a little bit of a notice at Turning Point saying, hey, this is happening, you know, if you guys want to show up. And I have to tell you, I was so inspired by how many people from Dream City Church showed up to that Scottsdale Unified School District meeting. And I'm going to play some highlights here. So it's so easy to go and speak at one of these things. People show up and allow your voice to be heard. I was number one and my wife was number two to speak. I have to say, my wife gave a much better speech than I did, and we're going to play a part of it because she named and shamed all of them because of what they've been doing in this local area, I'll tell you. But it really does show a lesson that the Bible tells us, which is that evil does not like when it is called out. And by the 45th. Parents that we had show up at the Scottsdale Unified School District. All of a sudden one of the school board members who will remain nameless said something that no one should say in any sort of decent setting. Caught on hot mic. And it caught in a lot of kind of this non stop apology tour because of it. A very bad thing to say. And I realized these people have never been called out for what they've done for this, for this long. You still have the power, everybody. And I could tell you right now, I think they're here tonight. And if not, they should be. But they're. Four out of five of those school board members are now facing a recall and we have to get those signatures. So. And so if, if that interests you, I don't think they're here tonight, but I will tell you they will be here at the next one. October 19th. Is that right, Joe? 19th. If you are a Scottsdale resident and a registered voter, you could sign the recall petition. Think we need like 22,000 signatures. But through Turning Point Action, our political vehicle, I am personally going to try to do everything we possibly can through our political vehicle to try to get us over the top. Because look, we have to send a message that this is not going to fly. So I want to play a short clip here. This was my speech speaking at the Scottsdale Unified School District. I was first up and again, it's really intraday. Just our students staring at you with all the vengeance you could possibly imagine. I just want to say all of the parents that had the courage to face them, they deserve the real credit. And I'm just going to play this because maybe you guys can steal a one liner or two. I can't believe they gave me as much time as they gave me. So we'll play a short tape of Scottsdale Unified School District. Okay, can our first speaker free to approach. And if you could just state your name into the microphone so we can get it for our meeting minutes. Yep. Okay. My name is Charlie Kirk and I'm a new resident of Scottsdale. Kind of feels like I'm living in San Francisco because of all of you and your self righteous measures that you're putting to abuse the children of this wonderful state. I'm gonna have children here one day and I sure hope people like you aren't in charge. You are defying Arizona law and measures to mask children even though there is zero evidence to show that children are at a significant risk of catching or dying from The Chinese coronavirus. In fact, children who drive to school are at a much larger risk of dying on the way to school than from COVID 19, according to the CDC. The CDC's research says the children 5 to 14 years old have a 0.2 chance of dying from COVID Yet from all Deaths, suicide is 1.5, homicide, 0.7, cardiovascular disease 0.6, drowning 0.5, flu and pneumonia 0.3. Suffocation and Covid are the exact same measure. Yet this district has decided to go in their own direction, against the will of the taxpayers of this area and want to mask children. We know what masking children does. This has a serious mental health toll on young people. The inability to communicate, the inability even hear what teachers are saying. In fact, masking makes people unfamiliar with each other. It makes you less likely to be able to empathize with another person. God gave us a face for a reason. Dr. Mackere wrote a piece in which he studied 48,000 cases of children under 18 reported to have Covid between April and August of last year. How many children died? He said, quote, our report found a mortality rate of 0among children without a pre existing medical condition such as leukemia. So why the mask craziness? There was a 22.3% spike in ER trips for potential suicides by children aged 12 to 17 in summer 2020 compared to 2019, according to findings published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. We know there's a direct link between children not being able to empathize with their peers and their parents, and mental health issues. This district has decided to go in its own direction against the will of the voters and the legislature here in Arizona, not to mention the social emotional learning guideline that you mistakenly sent out to parents in this district, the consultant group that you pat, you passed into law here, and the violation of the Open Meetings act, which by the way, I hope the attorney general of this state acts with criminal intent against this school district for breaking the law and passing a curriculum without allowing parent input. In closing, I'm going to say this. Your time is soon up. The people of this state and this school district are rising up. There are recall measures in place. You have awoke a sleeping giant. I hope you enjoy your masked short term future here while it still lasts. Thank you. So as. As fun as that was, I'm going to play a short clip of my wife's one which was even better. And I have to say it was much better than that. And the reason we're playing this is I just hope that if I can inspire one person to show up and look somebody in the eye and say, you have to stop doing this, then you're participating in the American project. That's what we want to do here tonight. That you could speak boldly and courageously. And so my wife said, charlie, I got a real surprise in store. I said, oh boy, what is she going to do? And so she shows up at the meeting and we could play the whole thing, but it gets, we'll play like the first minute because you'll get the point. And so she decided to say, you know what? Why don't we have a moment of silence for every person that has committed suicide because of these sort of lockdowns and will commit suicide because of what you're doing. And so she took the three minutes of just a moment of silence. And then about a minute and a half a school board member who will not be named decided to go check something on his computer. And she says, no, no, no, we're doing a moment of silence. And he's like, okay, I'm sorry, almost immediately. So we're going to enjoy just the beginning part of this and you'll love it.

[C]

Hi, my name is Erica Franzvay, I'm a former SUSD student. I would like to use my three minutes today. Mr. Greenberg, Mrs. Sianoski, Mrs. Beckman, Mrs. Hartwells and Mr. Lindsay and I would like to have a moment of silence for the SUSD students who have committed suicide because of the mental health issues you all have created by enforcing reckless rules and regulations implemented in the 2020 school year.

[B]

I would also like to include within this moment of silence all the kids who will end up committing suicide this

[C]

upcoming school year in 2021 and 2022 because of your reckless and ego centered

[B]

leadership and lack thereof.

[C]

Mr. Greenberg, I would like for you to not be distracted on your computer during the moment of silence, please. I've had friends who've committed suicide, so good.

[A]

Give it up for my wife who had the courage to stare them. That's a mic drop moment. I'll tell you what. So, all right, so I want to get to one, two more quick things. Number one, some good news. Today the Attorney General of Arizona, Mark Bernovich came out and said that local governments cannot mandate the vaccine against employees will here in the local states and counties. Great news and I want to thank the Attorney General for speaking clearly on that. And number two, another action point. If anyone is involved or connected to Brophy, they are forcing every single child to get vaccinated or be subject to twice a week testing and no traveling with sports teams. We have called out Brophy. And what's even worse than that is that Brophy, they brag a lot about their scholarship students, which are low income, typically Hispanic students that go to Brophy. They are calling Hispanic families and threatening that if their children do not get the vaccine, they're soft threatening, saying, oh, you know, there's a lot of other children that are on the waiting list in the Hispanic community and the black community have low rates of vaccination. This is evil what is going on at Brophy. They have, they've already betrayed the legacy of what was once a great school. So if anyone is connected there or if you know people there, there's a, there's an amazing group of moms that are holding it down for the boys that go to Brophyll. And I just want to say, please get involved if you can, because that's a really, really important fight locally. Okay, everybody, we have some momentum here in Arizona. And one of the reasons that this whole event came to be was because of a friend of mine who's been speaking out so clearly on these issues for years. We all heard from Pastor Rob McCoy last month. And Rob McCoy and Jack Hibbs are both Calvary Chapel pastors. And Jack Hibbs I got to know because he had me speak at his Happening now event, I think a year and a half ago, and I saw a crowd like this and I said, you're allowed to do weeknight events talking about what's happening in your local area and a pastor do that. And it inspired this whole thing, this conversation with the Barnett's and Jack Gibbs is without a doubt one of the most godly and brave and courageous pastors that America knows. So please welcome to the stage Jack Gibbs, everybody. So, Jack, for a, for a turn of events, I actually get to interview you this time.

[B]

This is fun.

[A]

And so I want to say hello to everyone watching on YouTube on both our YouTube channel and the happening now YouTube channel.

[B]

Yeah, happening now YouTube channel of our Facebook. And Charlie, a little later today, because it's so early yet, this is going to be replayed on our television station covering the Hawaiian Islands later today.

[A]

So, yeah, praise God. And so, Jack, introduce yourself to this audience, obviously with this warm reaction. A lot of people know you and know your ministry, but talk about kind of how you got into ministry, your church and what God's leading you to do.

[B]

Wow. I mean, that's a huge ask. It's been 30 years now, since Lisa and I, my wife, we moved out from Costa Mesa and we started a home Bible study in Chino Hills. Nobody knows where that is. We love it that way. It's got a small town vibe, although it doesn't. It doesn't have the feel of freedom like you guys are enjoying. I hope you know this, but long story short, I started a home Bible study with six people in it. And I think last Sunday we had somewhere around 13 or 14,000 adults. And it's been going, look what you guys, what's happening here? Charlie knows this. We have been standing in that water in Southern California of cultural impact. We believe that Jesus, when he said, let your light so shine before men that when they see your good works, they'll glorify your Father, which is in heaven. And when you begin to unpack what that scripture means, when Jesus said, let your light so shine before men, it's generic, it includes unbelievers. So from the beginning, we 52 weeks a year, we host voter registration. We know our school board members by name, we pray for them by name, City council, the county board of Supervisors. We make sure we connect with them, meet with them, ask them how they're doing, pray with them. And so because of that, there's been a relationship that I'd love for all of you to pay close attention to. When California locked down. And we're going to remember, and I'm so grateful for Charlie, for keeping America aware, that some of California's cities and counties locked down harder than even New York. But when that hit, we saw the, The Tale of Two Churches. We saw John MacArthur fighting LA county and that was brutal. And then we saw what happened with our church that sits on the LA County, San Bernardino county line. Totally different politics because what we did, we, is the fact that we engaged our leaders and so we remained open. And since that time, Charlie, you know, well, we've baptized now during the COVID season, over 3,000 people. We have grown by the thousands. And God has opened up so many doors. People want a voice.

[A]

And Jack, also, you even collect ballots if people want to vote. How many ballots did you collect last Sunday?

[B]

Yeah, you guys need to understand something. In California, the, the, the Party that Shall Not Be Named passed the law in Sacramento and then invented something called ballot harvesting. It's a horrible idea. Nobody in their right mind would think of doing such a thing. But you could go door to door and you can get signatures, you can get people, and it's very, it opens up a door for horrible, horrible mistreatment cheating, to say the least part of that system that they passed into law, what we wound up doing is that we, we circumcised it, so to speak, in the spiritual speaking. We made it. We made it with some integrity, meaning that we purchased special boxes from Amazon. We have guards, we have documentation so the community can bring their ballots and make sure that their ballot is counted. And so we call it ballot collection. And it has been overwhelmingly successful. And I think we're going to be looking at close to 20,000 ballots coming in from the community, but where people want to vote with integrity. And so I know it's hard for you Arizonans to fathom such a harebrained

[A]

idea, but listen, and it's using that law actually for good, which was intended for something that was, thank goodness, going door to door and trying to collect all the errant ballots. And, and so, Jack, let's talk more broadly. Why should Christians and pastors care about these cultural and civic issues? Because all the time you and I get messages. Why are you speaking out on this, Jack? Why are you speaking on this? Why now, Jack? Why must we speak out?

[B]

Yeah, listen, if you're a follower of Jesus Christ, there's two things that when you start reading the Bible, you figure out really quick is that, number one, God is awesome and he's everywhere, and there's no place where he's not okay? And the second thing is that regarding our worship and who we are as believers based on the Bible, all of us in America have something that other nations do not have. And that is we have an American founding that is unique from any other country on the face of the earth throughout all of human history. And so our Founding Fathers built into our government and how we would operate regarding going back to the Mayflower Compact, for example, our nation's founding documents are all centered around the concept of God is the one who gives liberty. That's why the First Amendment is the First Amendment, by the way. And that's. That's put to us by our Founding Fathers. That said, nowhere in the United States, in any federal or any documents of our founding nation, is there a separation of church and state. Now hear me out. That's in a private letter between Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist association in Danbury, Connecticut. They were reminding Jefferson, hey, now that you're president, remember we left England to prevent from having a state church. And Jefferson and that pastor agreed there'll be no government involvement regarding what a church will do in this nation. We'll stick true to that. Having said that, Everyone, our nation is built in such a way that it is we the people. And Alexis de Tocqueville announced to the world that when he looked at America, he saw the greatness of America. And he said, you know, when I looked at it, came over from France to check it out, he said, it wasn't in their commodious harbors, it wasn't in their amber waves of grain, it wasn't in their incredible industry that America was burgeoning. He said, I didn't understand what made America great until I went into the churches of America. And then he said, when I saw what was going on in the churches, I saw that the pulpits were alive with freedom. So he said, my conclusion is this. America is great because America is good. When America ceases to be good, she will no longer be great. And that was said by a Frenchman. Now, listen, there's no such thing as the separation of church and states. What we need to understand is no one is going to look out for your child's welfare in your school district better than you. You are to be responsible for your children. And you. You are to hold responsible those who have jurisdiction over your children that you gave them. And this is called biblical stewardship. We are not. We do not believe that we're going to usher in the kingdom of God on earth and make it perfect. And then Jesus gets to come back. Listen, this place, this place, the world is messed up. And look, my theology teaches me that Jesus could come back tonight. But that doesn't mean I'm going to put my feet up and goof off. It means I'm going to shine the lights. I'm going to make. I'm going to make truth known. And I want, as a pastor, my. My biggest thing as a pastor is to teach people the word of God and that it is activated in their life and that. Listen, my. My report card happens on. On Monday to Saturday, how people live their lives in our community. And so I want to equip them so that they go and they make a difference, that they run for mayor, that they wind up becoming those in the city council, that they're the ones who become the supervisors to the county. And that's exactly how it's worked. Listen, you guys, this is how good it's been. I don't mean to make that in a bad way. I gotta tell you, the whole Covid dynamic was an amazing thing for us because we ran to the hurt. We ran to those who had children and family who committed suicide. The city saw it. The county saw it, they even asked us for help. And so isn't that what the Christian whole worldview is, is to recognize, represent Jesus Christ in everything that we do? And so in this crisis, it was wrong to shut down churches in California. Gavin Newsom would not even let us meet or sing songs. And so when I sent him a note, I sent him a video note, I asked him about when does he plan for the church to open up. He wouldn't even announce the church in a category. We weren't. We were not essential, and we were non essential. He failed to recognize us. And God was good, though, because the Lord spoke to my heart and said, jack, the church, my. My church is not essential and it's not non essential. My church is not a business. My church is transcendent. It's not of this world. And so that's what we do. That's what we love to do.

[A]

And I can tell you, going to Jack's church, you know, I watched, I was walking, watching Jack on the live stream this last weekend. It was so funny. It was, you know, here's our women's ministry, and here's our family ministry, and here's if you need a grieving ministry. And then like, without breaking, without even breaking a step, the woman, as if she was telling you how to board an airplane. And she said, and now take this card if you want to recall Gavin Newsom. And here's how you can do that. I was like. And then it's like, the next one was like, and then here is our men's ministry. And I was like, whoa. And it was just so matter of fact. And so, Jack, talk a little bit about, because everyone here gets it, some of the backlash and how you deal with that, because there's a lot of believers here. And you have people tell you, you know, stop getting involved in that sort of thing. You know, the kingdom of God transcends politics. Come on, Jack, why are you doing ballot collection? You should be doing this or that. How do individual believers deal with that and properly communicate that?

[B]

Yeah, the biggest things that we hear from the Christian side is people who write or call and say, you shouldn't be doing that. You should be like us. We preach the gospel. Well, we preach the gospel. We had 300 people accept the Lord a couple weeks ago. The baptisms, as I mentioned. And, well, we preach the gospel, so we get it from the Christian community, and I understand that. But then we also get it from the world around us. And the other critique is, aren't you guys, you guys should be loving. You should be showing the love of Jesus and shut your church down. But no, no. Haven't you heard that you should be loving. Close your church. But wait a minute. On. On April 26th of 2020, I'm praying, I'm having my morning devotional time, and I'm reading something. I don't even remember where I was reading in the Bible, but it wasn't the Book of Revelation, I'll tell you that. And I'm reading along, and out of the throne room of God, I believe right on my heart. I, the Christian, will know what I mean by this. I didn't hear a voice. I felt the voice. And when you feel that voice, it's louder than an actual voice. And it was this. On April 26, the Lord said to my heart, open the doors of my church. On May 31, open the doors of my church. And I was, like, shocked. And in that pause, the next intense pressure on my heart was, no one has the authority, Jack, to shut the doors of my church. Neither do you. Open the doors of my church. And so I sent out a note. You'll. You'll. This will come together in a moment. I sent out a note to every pastor I could connect with in California. And I said, with or without you, I've heard from the Lord on this. You guys pray, but with or without you, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, will be opening the doors on May 31st. If you'd like to join us in your city, in your town, that'd be awesome. If not, God bless all of you guys. And so we opened up our doors, but so did over 1,000 churches in California, including Mike McClure.

[A]

It's just amazing, Jack. So let's talk a little bit about current events and how we, as believers need to talk about this. One of the things that you do as a ministry, which is kind of one of the templates that inspired this, is you have these Happening now conversations with where you'll bring in experts or you'll bring in, you know, just people to talk about what's happening in the world and then also giving commentary on what is true. Talk a little bit about what's happening globally with this current regime, Jack. And the threat that it poses to Christianity.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. And so Charlie's exactly right. So what we do is we host this event called Happening now, and we constructed this outreach that's in our own church, but it's an outreach to people who want to know, who want to know. They're scared. They're nervous. What's happening in the world around us. So what we do is that we look through the events of the world that's going on and we view them in light of Bible prophecy so that we make sure that there's no silly business, you know, silly business. Jesus told me that he's going to come back tomorrow at 2 o'.

[A]

Clock.

[B]

You know that stuff you read the newspaper, I hate that stuff that does so much damage. And so we created this presentation to where we looked at things that are happening in our lives right now in light of the Bible. And so when we look at what's going on in America right now, the remarkable things I say remarkable in, in the negative is the fact that we are equipping believers to understand that for example, Jesus said that there's going to be times when evil advances, but we're to stand against evil, we're to be respectful, we're to be loving. But listen, oh, I hope this doesn't come across wrong. Somehow somewhere along the way we have some in some capacity adopted that in a world that is out to eat our children alive or take our culture from us, that being polite is a virtue and that we've stopped speaking the truth in love. And a lot of pulpits have gone woke on this issue and they won't speak about the real history behind. Am I allowed to say whatever I want to say?

[A]

Yeah, you're good.

[B]

I'm in Arizona, right.

[A]

This is an enlightened check.

[B]

Let's pretend I'll feel better if I pretend I'm in California right now. I'll do that. So if I was in California right now, I would say that we need to find out who's really behind Black Lives Matter and who's really behind Antifa. You really need to know that because. Because you need to know. Very few people really, really need to know. They. The engine that drives those two entities is a very, very old ideology. It's a very, very old system that's been around and whenever there's trouble that that group is always there stirring it up. And so what we do is we take the events that are happening in your life, the stuff that your kids are going to be learning about tomorrow in school. And we do it with a biblical worldview perspective so that, listen, people leave that night knowing, wow, my Bible is more relevant than tomorrow's news. And I thought it was an old dusty book, but it's just giving me the answer on how to deal with what's happening at work or in the world around me or how I Should vote. Listen, every year I won't do it here because I love the Barnett's, all of them, and it's precious. Every year at our church, I officially file a lawsuit with the Alliance Defending Freedom adf. There are attorneys. I, I, I give a politically incorrect sermon that is very useful to all the people and then we mail it to the IRS and the Department of Justice because we're trying to get churches to know that they can speak truth and that again, God's church is the very epicenter. If you know American history, the epicenter of a city or a town was the church. And if the, if a building was on fire, they rang the church bell. If somebody wanted to make an announcement, they rang the church bell. And if the enemy was invading, they rang the church bell. And that's where Paul Revere got the heads up, was from the staple of the church. This is American history. And so we are, we're probably a church that came together about 300 years too late.

[A]

Well, I'll tell you, Jack, it's, it's a church that there's more and more churches that are following kind of your tact. Not necessarily as aggressive as you, as like, hey, Department of Justice, here I am. But still, there's a lot of churches that are, you know, that are definitely speaking boldly and courageously and this is one of them. And Steve Smotherman and Pastor Jurgen Awaken Church, which we're doing an event later this week there. So, Jack, let's talk about kind of what's happening in real time and what people can do about it. Talk about why Christians need to take the education of their children so seriously, from homeschooling to private school to getting away from government schooling. Talk about some of your personal experience and what do the scriptures say about the importance of education with children?

[B]

Yeah, first of all, to the believer, the scriptures require us to teach our children from the scripture. And from the scripture, by the way, comes every answer to every kid's question is found in scripture. If you don't think so, that's on us. You have to find it.

[A]

It's there.

[B]

Believe me, it's there. So we believe that strongly. And so in doing that, listen, from California, the, the powers that be have launched for several years unbelievable curriculum. And they have approved supplemental curriculum. And I'm not talking about core mathematics or things like this. I'm talking about stuff that I can't even mention in this building that is so, so perverse. And nobody was saying a word about it until we actually got some of the curriculum and began to show, to show the congregants what we were talking about. And the parents literally thought I was lying and making it up. It was so pornographic and so severe. And when, listen, when the parents are informed about this is what's happening to their little one, then you talk about the school board meeting. We had a school board meeting on that topic where we had over 700 people show up to that meeting. Amazing.

[A]

And I want to give you some good news. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example, then, some good news. So California State Board of Education has now passed into law or rule or whatever, it's actually not a law because no one actually voted on it. They just do it by decree that they must now teach the Aztec God of child sacrifice and children in California schools. I'm not making this up, right, Jack?

[B]

No.

[A]

They must recite the Pontek Blah chant in class of the Aztec God of child sacrifice. Like, it's not a spiritual war, everybody. Right?

[B]

Yeah, Right.

[A]

Not a spiritual war. But here's the amazing news. In fact, I said this, I think, at your church almost a year and a half ago. I said, america needs to double its homeschooling population. Guess what? The numbers have come out. America has went from 5 million families that were homeschooling. 10 million families are homeschooling right now in America. And if, if you're a family out there right now, you're like, homeschooling intimidates me. It's not for me. That's okay. I don't mean to shame people that aren't doing that, but you can do a version of homeschooling. You could do one hour a week where you sit down with your children on Sundays and turn off all the screens and just say, we're going to learn about American history. We're going to learn about Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfield and Jonathan Mayhew. And so I'm going to say this. Every single Freedom Square, we've partnered with Hillsdale College to give you all of the online courses. It's charlieforhillsdale charlieforhillsdale.com and they're amazing. Because if everyone, if every parent watching this online in here is like, okay, when I'm doing my peloton or my soul cycle or whatever, I'm going to listen to an online course. I'm going to learn something, and then I'm going to sit my kids down and be like, okay, for 30 minutes a week, I'm going to tell you what I learned about George Washington. I'm going to tell you what I learned about Abraham Lincoln. I'm going to tell you what I learned about godly men and women that fought courageously for our civilization. So even if you can't do the full homeschooling thing, I understand that my parents were not into it, but I'll tell you what, they did a lot of their extra homeschooling. They did nights and weekends. They did summers and they brought me to real sites. They brought me to Philadelphia, they brought me to Boston. And people say, charlie, how'd you get such a passion for this? It wasn't the indoctrination. I was public school educated, by the way. Public school. But I just tuned all that stuff out because I knew what I was going at home was truth and at school, garbage. Jack, can you expand on that?

[B]

That is so good. Listen. What, what I want to encourage all of you to consider those of you who are saying there's no way I would ever homeschool. Hang on a second. There are homeschool networks and co ops that make it so remarkably able for you to do. There are teachers and there are retired teachers, I should say there are parents who are really good in history and really good in math and really good in biology. And there's, there's these co ops. I'm sure they have them here. They're big in Californ and the co ops wind up their homeschooled kids, but they spend so much time during the week with other kids in these co op settings. So that's, that's a wonderful thing to keep in mind. Also in our church, we are just about ready to launch. Our church is probably watching this right now. And they don't, they're not supposed to know this yet. We've been working really hard hitting in the direction to begin, just to begin with. It won't be where we stop, it's where we begin with. Because we don't have a better name for it yet. We just call it public school Detox. We are, we are in the kids in our, in our, the kids who attend our church who go to public school two to three times a week after school. We're hosting detox teaching with teachers that are going to be unteaching what they learned and teach them what they should have learned. That's where we're starting going to a full blown.

[A]

Luke, I think we got a new idea here, a new ministry opportunity at the Dream Center. Powerful. And I want to give everyone hope. I want you to Imagine. Because one of the things I love about Dream City Church is to dream. I want you to imagine a headline in 2050, front page of the New York Times, surprising right turn attributable to homeschooling revolution that happened during the COVID pandemic. I'm trying to imagine that being written 50, 30 years from now because we're seeing. We are seeing such an explosion of homeschooling. I want you to understand how much 10 million families is. And so people say, well, Charlie, what does that mean? So the data shows that 97.5% or 98% of all homeschooling, they tend to be conservative. Now, there probably is that 2% of homeschooling people that are like, the hippie liberals in, like, northern Vermont that are like, we don't like the system, like, you know, no electricity, but, like, come on, if you're homeschooling your kids, you're not exactly, like, bowing to the machine. You have 10 million families that are doing that, and it's growing. Not to mention the private school and not to mention conservative kids in public school you're talking about. All of a sudden, you're going to see demographics in 30 years from now that are going to shock the world. They're going to be like, how is this country still so conservative? I thought, like, they stopped going to your schools. That's why. And parents started to step up and started to get involved because what. What the enemy means for evil, God will use for good. What's the scripture, Jack? Attributable to. I think that. What is the verse, Tommy?

[B]

What's the verse?

[A]

I'm putting it on the spot.

[B]

I'm blank. So it's David. It's Joseph talking, talking to his brothers what they had planned for evil. Joseph announces Genesis. Somebody help us.

[A]

50.

[B]

50.

[A]

Give it up for Jack, everybody. That was hard. I was there, right?

[B]

Erica had the answer.

[A]

All right? But the point is that the enemy said, I'm going to lock it down. I'm going to keep people in fear. And what ended up happening, all of you all of a sudden were doing the laundry and your son was doing a zoom class or daughter at. You said, what on earth? And you go in, you say, what did that teacher just say? It was a transparency revolution that every teacher was exposed in a compressed period of time. That's right. Because the government school system was so sloppy in rolling out this online learning, they had to sign waivers that parents aren't allowed to listen. It accelerated this trend. No, seriously, that was a real Thing in California, they had waivers that parents were not allowed to listen to these zoom classes.

[B]

Listen to what he's saying. This is so great.

[A]

It's a real thing.

[B]

So the growth of the homeschooling movement is massive like never before. Listen, in California. People don't realize California has either the second largest or the largest homeschool population in America. You don't think about that. But here's the deal. If it's such a bad thing and parents went through it regarding Covid, you would thought that those numbers would have plummeted, right? No, no, no. Exactly what Charlie just said. The parents saw that their kid couldn't read and they said, that's it. What am I doing here? This has got to change. And this is huge grassroots movement. Awesome.

[A]

And what's amazing, it's Hispanic and black families that are actually growing the fastest in homeschooling. And they are asking the local church for support. They're asking local community support. It's such an amazing trend. So I want to get to some questions and we're going to do it traditionally here. And since there's no childcare obligations, we can go a little bit longer, if that's cool with you. Since we have Jack Hibbs, we might as well get our money's worth out of him. And so. And so, Jack, let's. Let's talk about what people can do. This is something we always want to emphasize here. Not just kind of be a form of complaining. We could talk about Afghanistan. We could talk about, you know, what's happening in all these states. What can people do, Jack? Homeschooling is obviously important. All these sorts of things. Give us some action items.

[B]

Yeah, this is exactly what we're doing. For example, listen up, everybody, very carefully. California, just a couple weeks ago, they authored a bill called AB455. And AB455 was mandatory vaccine passport. You couldn't. If that bill were to pass, which by the way, they have a super majority in Sacramento, if that bill were to pass, that means you couldn't go to a theater, you couldn't go to a restaurant, you couldn't go anywhere. You had to be limited in your movements based upon you being vaccinated. Are not that. What we did was we contacted every senator, state senator, we, we printed up their phone number and their email in this. In the various cities that they're over. Right. That are on that committee. And then you turn it around and it. It completely gave you the verbiage of what was AB455? Every it was on our website. But everyone attending every service was given the handout coming in. There was, there was no room for error. Everything was there. All they had to do was call their senator's office. And most of those phone calls, by the way, most of them by far are machines. You just say I want you to oppose AB455. And I'm watching how you vote and I'm going to respond based upon how you vote regarding this terrible, terrible bill. And so here's the cool thing that was on Sunday. People began calling on Tuesday. The bill was pulled by the author. Now, chino Hills is 300 miles from Sacramento, but here's what happened. Other churches heard what we were doing. So they asked for a PDF of that document so they could print out the body of the law or of the bill. And then they applied their own senators phone numbers in their area and it became an overwhelming success in a matter of 72 hours. Here's the punchline. The bill was pulled. They authored a different bill and they called it a transportation. Transportation bill In California it's called Gut and Amend. You can write a bill and it can be said, we are going to celebrate monarch butterflies. Vote yes. No, I'm serious. On the inside of the bill they got the monarch butterfly. They still call it the monarch butterfly bill, but on the inside it's a Covid bill or it is a tax bill. It's a gas tax. It's a something thing. It's, that's what they, it's actually called Gut and Amend. So they did AB 1102 back to back weekends. Last Sunday you saw it, we, we had to do it again. And I said, church, I'm sorry but I have to do something again. I know you heard this from me last week, but before we get into the message today, I have to announce to you AB 1102 because while you were working hard all week, your elected officials were working hard all week two up in Sacramento. And this is what they've crafted. So what did, what did they do? They got back on the phone and they did it again. You guys, listen. Every, I believe that every. Imagine if every pastor in Arizona found out what was doing in their state capital and in their region. And that pastor said, I'm a watchman on the wall. I'm blowing the trumpet like God said.

[A]

Said.

[B]

And I'm warning the community, you've got to stand up, you've got to make noise. The Arizona, California. California is different. Arizona. The whole nation would change if pastors would speak up.

[A]

So that's my last thing I want to ask you, Jack, as we get ready for questions here. Arizona is still, thankfully, a different state than California, and it's teetering on the edge.

[B]

Don't let, don't laugh. Not for long.

[A]

Yeah, but like, give that message, that sense of urgency, Jack, because Chino, not far from a very conservative area, Orange county, you've seen even your own area and in the state over the last 30 years become completely unrecognizable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Talk about how important it is that this gathering continues and people keep on showing up and people keep the pressure on. As you say, hey, Arizona, you're basically the center of the nation now.

[B]

Yeah. Listen, Charlie's question is preempted by yesterday's Los Angeles Times, I believe it was. Los Angeles Times ran an article about the upcoming recall election that's taking place. And, and they're asking the question, how in the world did this happen? How is. No, I'm serious. And it's. I got to tell you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna laminate the article. It was very well written, but the, the writer went down the list and said this entire movement where they, they were able to acquire 2.3 million signatures for a petition to force the, to force an election to evict California's darling. Really? No, really, to throw him out. How did this happen? And it went down the list and it, and it started mentioning this. It's happened in the churches in California. This is where it happened. LA Times, Los Angeles Times. I'm telling you right now, you are going to think I'm crazy. California. I was born and raised in California. I'm telling you something right now. True. I've watched it go from a state that had Reagan as a governor and sent him to Washington, D.C. to falling apart completely, to being a total embarrassment. Now, you know what? The recall effort is so powerful that it had to be a bipartisan effort. Second thing is this, that in the last 2020 election in November, you didn't hear anything about California, did you? Did you hear about anything about California in the news? No, you didn't. You want to know why? Because the news will not report what happened in California in November of 2020. What happened in November, in 2020 in California was that, for example, four congressional seats that were rock solid for a certain party that I'm not supposed to mention were completely lost to four pro life believers, and now they're in Washington, D.C. i'm talking congressional seats. A couple of those people go to our church. What's going on in California. Two things. People have had enough. They're realizing, I don't want to, I don't want to move out of California and the handful of churches that are telling the truth, we don't have enough room for people flocking to find out. What do I do? California is changing. We don't know how this, how this election is going to go on September 14th. Oh, we know how it's going to go. We just know how it's going to end.

[A]

It's who counts the votes that matters.

[B]

Because. Because the church has awakened in California. And dear friends, I'll be quiet with this. I lived through the Jesus movement revival in the 70s. I saw what happened. When you have people showing up an hour early to get into church and stand in line, when you baptize 3,000 people in 11 months, when you see what's happening, that's called a spiritual awakening. People want answers. The church in California is waking up. I have incredible hope for California and you're watching it unfold right now. So don't lose heart, Arizona. Do not lose heart. Just let your light shine. Do the right thing. Don't expect your neighbor to do it. You do it. Don't say, well, you know what? I'm sure those people will vote. They'll take care of it. You vote like me. No one else is going to vote. You say, well, Pastor, why should I vote if we're going to lose? Because you're going to do the right thing. I don't, I honestly don't care about the outcome as long as I do the right thing. I want to be able to look God right in the face and say that I voted for a pro life candidate for governor.

[A]

Amen. So let's start to get lines going for some questions. We want to prioritize, prioritize students if we can. And I also want to say here's some good news and I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here. There will be some more good news coming for certain big employers that have been mandating the vaccine here. And I can't say I have some inside information, but there's some good news that is coming down the pike about some people that have had their livelihoods uprooted and they're about to blink and these big employers are about to rescind it. So I can't say what that is yet, which is great. And number two, I believe after last time, Freedom Square, we had one or two young ladies that were about to get terminated and I believe they Landed other positions of employment. Is that right, Angel? Because of what you're all doing here. And so I just want to say thank. That's part of what we're doing here. We're building community again. We want to give priority to students here and young people if we can. And we'll start right over here. I think that's Xavier Prep.

[C]

Hi, Charlie. So my name is Mary Virginia, and I am a junior at Xavier. And although, unlike Brophy, we are not being forced to get vaccinated, we still do have to wear masks. And I am sick of it. I want to know what action I can take to convince our administration to change their policies.

[A]

But once and for all, this is a phenomenal question. So is. Is Xavier an all girls school or is it.

[C]

Yeah, that's correct.

[A]

So that's kind of the sister school of Brophy. If I'm not. Okay. Still learning. Arizona, everybody. So be patient with me, okay? So I. This. There's one way this can end, and this won't involve you. If 100 moms showed up and demanded a meeting with the president of either Brophy or Xavier, this whole thing ends now. That's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. People say it's not true. It is true. Because that president will take the meeting if you storm his office and be like, we demand it right now. How do I know this? This is what the left has done to us for the last 40 years. Face to face confrontation. These people cripple like you can't imagine. Now, this won't happen. Let me tell you why it won't happen. Because every single one of those kids will be immortally embarrassed that their mom showed up, in a way, at an unscheduled meeting. And the moms will not do that. Brophy or Xavier. So the question is, what is the line to actually trigger that? But here's where you could be a leader. I'll tell you a story. When I was in high school, I actually don't tell the story very often. I organized my fellow students to protest something. And at the time, it was seemingly very silly. They doubled the cookie prices in the cafeteria from $1 to $2, which again, this was. Was inflation. This was bad. This was a very serious thing. And so we got our whole district involved. I kid you not. You could look it up. You could type in Charlie Kirk, Cookie Revolt. And it was the whole thing. And it was like Students Against Cookie Inflation. And it was silly, but we were principled because how dare you change the price system and they actually blinked and they changed. The point is this, is that these. It taught me kind of the value of activism, right? And find other young people and students that agree with you and start to embrace being an activist, which is to demand meetings, and to all of a sudden say, you know what? What if all of us just show up without a mask and they kick us all out of school? We're paying tuition to be here. Like, this is the sort of attitude that unfortunately, we have to start to embody. And I will say this, though, and Jack, I'd love your thoughts. It really needs to be the parents that are fighting for you, though. And, like, the problem at schools like Brophy is that that's a ruling class school. Like, they want their kids to go to Harvard. And the way that you settle differences for families that want their kids to go to Harvard is you ask for meetings and you write letters. Like, we're long past that, right? We got to start to all of a sudden be like, no, no, no. Like, we now have to embrace that kind of activist spirit because it is child abuse. The fact that you as a high schooler have to walk around with a cloth on your. On your face, it's wrong. It's child abuse. Jack, what's your thought?

[B]

Yeah, real quick. I believe there's some. There's some mode by which the parents can unite. If they're not going to show up because they're afraid the kids might be embarrassed, there's got to be another way. There's got to be something. Banding together is the strength. That's got to happen some way, shape or form, be it a letter, be it a form or you know what? Maybe all the parents should show up to the meeting with a mask on or a bag over their head, something. But they've. If they start to unite to fight, that sends the message. So it just takes one parent to call another one and say, listen, are you willing to stand up for our kids? Because honestly, parents, the parents need to show this young generation courage. How are they going to get it if we don't show them courage?

[A]

And I just want to encourage you. You. You have the power to change this. At Xavier, one person, you can be a thorn in their side and don't let them intimidate you. But also, know your facts, be full of grace, know the technicalities. Don't try to be asking to be a martyr. At the same time. You can all of a sudden inspire change, right? You can be like, look, this is ridiculous. Half the school's already had the virus. Okay. I can't hear my teacher. They can't hear me. No one actually takes this mask policy seriously. They have them down all the time. We're talking to each other. What's the point? Is it about social control? I'm telling you, they will listen. When young people speak courageously and clearly, I believe in you. You could get it changed and we have your back to get it done. Okay?

[C]

My name is Andrea. I am. I'm 11 years old in 6th grade. My question is, how do I. What's a good way, non threatening way to share my conservative values with my classmates?

[A]

First of all, give it up. That's amazing. So I want to empower you. You said you're in sixth grade, so when I was in sixth grade in 2006. It's a long, long time ago. Thirteen years ago. Yeah. I don't know if you were born in 2006. No, you weren't. I had a teacher who will remain nameless, and the teacher decided to do an entire seminar on climate change and on why America is an awful country. And so I had to make a decision in sixth grade whether or not I was going to stand up against this teacher. And I did. She sent me to the hall. And so that was like the form of punishment back then. I don't know if they still do that, right? They still send people out to the hall. But all of a sudden I made a commitment that no matter what the cost, I was always going to advocate for my beliefs. And so I just want to tell you that the younger you get involved in this, the stronger you will become. And the Lord will bless you richly as someone who wants to pursue righteousness with courage. Jeff.

[B]

Yeah. Listen, in fact, I'm going to need some help from all of you. I want to encourage you to get your hands on a series of books. I believe it's by Mike Huckabee. Does anybody know what that is called with the kids? Anybody know what the name of it is? It's awesome. And you need that. And here's the reason why. They're going to teach you how this nation came together, okay? And the nation came together by people speaking out. And when you learn your roots, you know, when you learn your country's beginning, that's going to catch fire inside of you, okay? When you read that Patrick Henry Henry said this and it's all written at your grade level, you're going to say, oh my gosh, I can do that. That's why he did that. What's with this Thing. That's why they did that. When you get that information in you, it makes it so much easier to speak out. You'll know when to speak out at the right time. But the greatest thing is for you to have the foundation so that good stuff comes out. Okay. And that. Somebody tell her what that.

[A]

Is that your dad, the kids guy? That's the funniest shirt I've ever seen. It says dads against Daughters dating Democrats. That's very funny. That is funny. So I just want to. I just want to. Want to commend you. You as a sixth grader. So we're. We're in this together. So in 20 years, it's going to be our country, what really is. So I want you to fight hard. People will call you names and all that, but you obviously have a great dad who's very wise. Know your history, know, know the basis, love the Lord, read the Bible. And I have a feeling that we're all going to be working for you one day. So God bless you. Thanks for being here.

[B]

Yeah, be strong.

[C]

Hello, my name is Andrea Simpson and I actually recently transferred from a private Christian school in Costa Mesa, California. Only about 2,000 kids. I went in pre nursing and came out political science. Because of what I heard. My question would be what can we do for our college campuses? Not even just across the country, but all of these campuses that I toured that are Christian and small and seems like this amazing community. But I get in there and there were only two of us conservatives in the entire political science program. And the other kid was two grades above me. So what.

[A]

And that's at Christian schools, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So, Jack, do you want to start with this about how some of the cemeteries, I mean seminaries have become kind of. And by the way, great school that Tommy Barnett is involved in in Florida that's doing some great things. We're going to be announcing some fun stuff with that soon. And there are some good ones. But Jack, do you want to talk about this? Because this is an untold story of kind of how some of these small Christian schools have kind of lost their way.

[B]

It's absolutely tragic that what we're producing today are leaders who know nothing about the Judeo Christian worldview foundation of this nation. Again, the United States is the most unique experiment on the face of the earth. And the reason being is because God was in it. All of our founders said so. They wrote it down. But here's the problem there. There's been some seminary disconnect that we don't talk about. Those things and it's, it's absolutely wrong. So I'm sorry to tell you that what, what the immediate fix is is that you have to self educate because it's going to take a long time to turn the ship of these Christian universities and colleges that have divorced themselves from the American experience. Because the American experience is a God thing. And if you avoid that, then you're going to have two people show up at these gatherings. That's got to change. So you're going to have to change that. You're going to have to educate yourself and others. Hey, come to our meeting on Tuesday night because did you know and just throw it out there. Did you know that Sam Adams was the spirit of the American Revolution? Said his pastor? You're going to get people to show up just to say there's no true and then show them that it's true. But you're going to have to educate and educate them. You gotta, you gotta. What's the word? You have to be like an accelerant. You got to start something and it's got to come from you and thank God that you see it.

[A]

Well, and part of the problem in some of these Christian schools, they've obviously gone woke, which is its own theology.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And bad theology leads to bad politics. And if you believe the Bible is just kind of a suggestion manual or a dusty old book, you're gonna get into bad politics. And the Bible speaks clearly that there is a natural law. The founders knew this. That's why they wrote in the declaration the laws of nature and nature's God. And so whether it be Newtonian physics or how human beings operate under pressure, are we meant to marry? How are we interacting with one another? That natural law is written throughout the scriptures and how we as Christians are supposed to live our lives. The other side, the left, if you will, do not. They do not believe there is a natural law. They believe that human behavior, humans as individuals, are malleable, changeable. This is part of why they believe in this cult of science. Right now this is a really important point and I don't want to get too off course here, but science is only useful if you have strong character and proper morals. Science is not a worldview to organize society around, in fact. But you'll hear it a lot of schools like, well, we have to follow the science, trust the science. We must put the scientists in charge. You pull that to its farthest extrapolation, eventually you're going to have a question, who gets the medicine?

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Who gets prioritized, who gets to live. Then all of a sudden you're in a moral argument. And if you try to organize society through a microscope or in a test tube, you will lead eugenics. You will lead all of a sudden to selection of the survival of the fittest. Jack, go ahead.

[B]

You know what? It just so happens that Charlie and Erica, they were at a service.

[A]

We were in Romans 1:1, one of the greatest sermons.

[B]

Jack and Charlie happened to have been there. And you don't know this, but I got in a whole lot of trouble afterwards because what I said regarding this was in Romans chapter one, the Bible teaches that there's two genders and well, wait, wait, watch what happened. So I didn't take the biblical approach. I said, the Bible says this, but you don't have to believe in the Bible to come to that conclusion. If you're an atheist. If you're an atheist and you believe in evolution, then you're going to come to the conclusion that the Bible says because the survival of the fittest is reproduction. That's why when you watch the moose, and they're up there in Montana and the, the big moose has got all the other lady mooses around them. How did that happen? That big moose beat up all the other wimpy boy mooses. Okay, you with me? Here's the thing.

[A]

It's about to say me, but he did in evolution.

[B]

Listen, if evolution's true, right, there would be no homosexual experience because evolution would have removed it. That is a scientific fact. So I put forth the argument that you don't have to, you don't have to read the Bible to know which way to go on this. Look at the science, look at the biology, and then even look at the claim of evolution. It still backs up gender two coming together as one. When you argue, you can argue biblical truth without using Christianese. We need to learn how to talk to the world without using Christianese. And listen, science only works when it's interpreted exactly what Charlie said. Understanding that there is that Lawgiver and Newton had no problem with this. Newton came to the conclusion that I now understand science better, thus I have greater faith in God. You got to remember that. But.

[A]

And then finally I'll say just some of these Christian schools, I think, don't understand the proper role of how to organize civil society. This is a very important project. It's not the most important project, but it can be the most important project. If you organize society incorrectly. If you live under a tyranny, if you live under a Dictatorship. If you live in a dystopian nightmare or if you live under the cult of scientists, as we live under right now, then the gospel is then less likely to spread. Then it's harder to have large families. It's harder to be fruitful and multiply. And part of the problem with some of these Christian schools, I don't think they understand or they're unwilling at times to contest on this. So I want to encourage you and get involved with Turning Point usa, which is the real answer.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

So. All right, next question. Thank you. Hi, my name is Isaac, and currently my dad has served 27 years in the United States Air Force. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Give it up for his service. Thank you, Charlie. I recognize your efforts to limit vaccine mandates for students and college campuses. My question would be for us as Christian conservatives and you guys, what can we do to help advocate help and just show our support for those in the military that are facing possible end of their career just over the vaccine. I'll start, Jack. Then. Do you want to. You could hand it off. So this is going to be a really interesting dilemma that the military is about to face, because if you look at their publicly announced vaccination rates, they're going to have to dishonorably discharge 30% of the military, roughly, if you count it all together. Are they willing to do that? Two months ago, I would have said no. Now, I don't dismiss anything from this current regime, to be perfectly honest with you. But here's what really gets me fired up. And thank you for the kind words, because we at Turning Point have taken a strong stance against mandatory vaccinations. You know, where the vaccine isn't mandatory. If you work in the Biden White House.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

If you are a staff member in the Biden White House, you do not have to get vaccinated. But if you are a fit Marine or served 27 years in the Air Force, courageously, with a perfect record, they could dishonorably discharge you, which means many things. Right. It means that you might not be able to get your pension, you might future job opportunities, you might have VA benefits potentially withheld from you. And so, you know, I would say that this is what we need to do first in Arizona. Okay. If you know any of the House congressional delegation here in Arizona, you need them to raise their voice to make a stink about this in Washington, D.C. that means the great Congressman Andy Biggs, who's a friend of mine. Right. Congressman Schweikart. Debbie Lesko. And they're friends of mine, by the way, but you just need to remind them, hey, you gotta go fight for our military that are on the verge of getting dishonorably discharged, charged right now. And so Jack, you're dealing with this. And there talk about the religious exemption side. How many religious exemption letters have you signed?

[B]

Yeah, I actually don't know. It's too. We have on our website two versions. They say the exact same thing, but one's got church letterhead on it, one's generic, and it's. It's been pretty epic. It's been remarkably well received. That was crafted by some attorneys that we had. I put it together and so we have a religious exemption exemption form. You can, you can download it, you can get it signed. Now. It's had some success. Unfortunately, it's had very little success, or maybe none regarding military, which very much concerns me. It's had success with hospitals. It's had success with universities and with schools and with businesses. It has had zero success with our pilots and our soldiers who have used it for the military. This concerns me. Why is this happening? Something that. Where you. You have soldiers who have sworn an oath to defend us and to run into the fire and to risk their lives over a. Over a sickness that is 99 something percent recoverable. Let's just use our heads for a moment. Something strange about this. Why? Listen, more people die from aids. Seriously, go look it up at the cdc. More people die from aids. Why aren't we stopping all homosexual activity if we care so much? Somebody could die. Why aren't we stopping alcohol or the sale of. Of.

[A]

Of.

[B]

Of tobacco? What's the deal? What's the thing? Something doesn't make any sense. And if I were China, I would be sitting back watching us surrender because of fear. And now I've got to throw in manipulation.

[A]

And what's so terrible is that what I am finding, this is not a perfect rule. But the people that are resisting are people that have been there for a long time with specialized skills and that are not easily replaceable and that there are a lot of entry level that are resisting, but they don't have as much leeway because they'll just get them right at boot camp, like you got it. What I'm finding though, it's the people that have a couple decades that really kind of know how the inner machinery of our military works. If you are trying to all of a sudden disempower the greatest fighting force ever assembled, you would do this. No one's Going to see it if you were trying.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And so what can we do? Well, prayer, because that is not. That is not something that we just do just as our own kind of, you know, conciliatory action. God can intercede here. But at some point, and this is a call to action because, Jack, you have a sizable audience, and it's on our YouTube. The Senate Republicans have to start to use whatever small political power they have and say, we're on the Armed Services Committee. And I'll say, I'll. Just a couple examples, right? There's a good man who's a senator from Oklahoma, right? Jim Inhofe. You've probably met him before, right? He's a Christian. He could end this very quickly, but he doesn't want to. Every person in the Pentagon has gotten every favor from him over the last 30 years. Missiles we don't need, bridges we don't need to build. It's time for the Republicans that have given the Pentagon every favor they've asked for for the last 20 or 30 years to pick up the phone and say it ends now that there's no more mandating the vaccine against our military. The gravy train is over. They're not doing that yet. I want to say Senator Blackburn and Senator Cotton have been good on this. Senator Cruz, Senator Paul and Senator Lee. But it's about time they start to hear from all of us that. But I want to say your father, we have his back. He's not alone. And we're here to support him and people like him. So thank you.

[B]

Yep. You guys, I just want to add, as. As believers, you. You don't have to be a believer. As an American citizen, the stewardship of this nation is our trust. That's. That's on us. We have forgotten that we've gotten easy. I don't know what we do. We. But we have stopped paying attention to our local government and to our state and to our federal government. We need to remember we are to steward this America. And we've got to get involved. We've got to get engaged.

[A]

Next question.

[C]

Hi, Charlie. My name is Phaedra, and I was recently vaccinated and pressured to do so by the AIA and the Agua Freeze School District.

[A]

What is the aia?

[C]

The AIA is Arizona's sports league. So we all fall into that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So only unvaccinated kids get quarantined at my school. And the schools and teachers preach that if we are quarantined, it's our fault for falling behind in our Education and sport. Because we could have been vaccinated and we could have chose to be vaccinated. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. It does not make any sense that they get to stay learning and playing their sport while other people cannot. Is there quarantine policy within Ducey's Law and can they keep doing this to us?

[A]

What school do you go to?

[C]

I go to Millennium High School.

[A]

Millennium.

[B]

This is horrible.

[A]

Say that again. Also in Peoria, same thing. And I just want to make sure you got vaccinated against your will.

[C]

Basically, yes. Because I am a above average golfer and I would like to play college, so I have to have every season I can.

[A]

Yeah. It's so evil. We're at a place now that children have to make medical decisions and their entire life is being held hostage. And you made the best decision as you know, to make for yourself. And that's. That's what medical decisions are all about. We're never going to ever insult anyone for making a medical decision. We don't do that here. That's what the other side does. They tell us we can't go to restaurants. So, yeah, the quarantine, this whole thing is so insane. And it's just a matter of time until, you know, someone starts to stand up against this and starts to change this. Yeah, it should be against the law. It also should be against the law that Scottsdale Unified School District defies Ducey's Law that says you cannot mask children and they do it anyway. At some point there has to be an enforcement side of this. Right. And currently they feel as if they can do anything that they wish to do. And it saddens me greatly, to be perfectly honest, that, that you, someone who wants to have a golf career, you know, was. Was basically held hostage for a virus that you were not going to die of. Like, be perfectly honest, it's not going to happen. But some creepy scientist in a lab is like, I want to go control teenagers and their future. I wish. I wish adults would have fought harder for you. I really do. Jack.

[B]

I'm actually. I probably should be quiet about it. I'm just going to go to the next question. It upsets me.

[A]

I know. I'm the same way. It's so evil that we're demented that we've gotten to this place, that we

[B]

are in America to have something done to your body against your will. Look, if you wanted the vaccine, God bless you.

[C]

I did not.

[B]

That's your business. Exactly. You said you didn't to want Want it. And you were. You were manipulated. You were coerced. And I just. When. I guess, when will Americans actually unite and care about this enough to say it ain't going to happen. It's not going to happen.

[A]

And I will say that the Attorney General today did come out with a correct ruling for government employees in Tucson. I would have liked to see that ruling earlier for, I don't know, high school students. Like, that probably would have been probably better. But he did come out with the proper ruling there. But. Yeah, but I'll be honest, guys. Like, as much as we feel there's a lot of us and there are. We're in an ideological minority in the sense that they make. I mean, I drive to work at Turning Point and our radio show every morning, and it's like this nonstop propaganda thing. Have you seen this on the highways? Join 4 million Arizonans? I'm like, you know what? Like, no, okay. Like, it's not like I saw that before. First 200 times. Okay. And it's like, no, okay. How about. How about this? Like, stop driving drunk. I liked those.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Those were good. I like the drive sober ones. I could get behind that. So. But I want to just say the quarantine policy, I don't know if it breaks the law or not or what. It's what it does. But I'm glad you're okay. You know, after getting vaccinated, I'd like

[C]

to address really quick that parents did fight the AIA and they got no response. There was many emails sent, but from.

[A]

But was it required by the aia?

[C]

Yes. Well, not the vaccine, but basically, if I was exposed to Covid, I would not be around my team for weeks.

[A]

You play golf? It's like the most socially distant sport ever. It's not like you're a wrestler. It's like, it's golf. It's like, yeah, okay. It's like, wait five minutes where they hit. Like, I mean, we live in the land of the insane. You're. Thank you for saying that. Some adults stood up, though. And I want to say I'm sorry you got put in this position, but keep on speaking out. So thank you so much.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Hi, I'm.

[C]

Well, I go by Cassie, but everybody just knows me as Cassie, but my full name is Cassandra. I'm sorry. It's so confusing. Okay, so I go to Arizona Christian University.

[A]

It's like, great school, acu.

[C]

It's been such a blessing to me. I've finally been able to go on campus instead of online. I mean, I'M really great online, but in person there's just something different. But one of my things is I have a lot of friends who are not in college, and they always ask me about, well, what if we have free college? That would be so much easier. And I sit there and I'm like, yeah, it would be so much easier, but that's not how it works. So I just want to know what's, like, the best, best response to say to them, because I personally just. All of my responses don't go through, so I just want, like, a simple response and like, leave me alone type of thing.

[A]

And these are people not in college.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, look, if you think college is expensive now, just wait. Wait till how expensive it is when it's free.

[B]

And so

[A]

part of, look, part of the entire kind of modern college project is going to try to massively subsidize higher education to make it free for the consumer, very expensive for the taxpayer. And there's something to say, though, to your friends, which is that every intervention that we've made on behalf to make college better or cheaper has made college more expensive and actually worth less than ever before. Every single intervention. A college degree used to mean something in our country. Country. It doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, it's like, oh, now you have to get your master's, you got to go get your doctorate, or you got to go get your other specialized certificate. You want to know. You want to know who, like, the richest people in Scottsdale are? The plumbers. They are doing unbelievable. Has anyone tried to get a plumber recently? I'm not kidding. They got to look into price gouging type stuff into these plumbers. They're like, yeah, you know, okay, one switch. Yeah, that'll be $650. And they could totally charged. They have like, a down payment. They like, they like, swipe your credit card as soon as they show up. And it's like they got the whole thing made. I met this plumber, great guy, and never went to college. Totally. He's making like $400,000 a year in this whole, like, plumbing industry. And he's like, oh, yeah. He's like, I go to these big people's homes. And he's like, they're telling me about their kids going to ASU and all this. And I'm like, why don't they want to be a plumber? And they tell me, they're like, oh, yeah, we don't want our kids be plumbers. And he's like, okay, sure. It's like, that'll be $3,000 for your new Johnson rod. Right. It's like whatever that is. And so the point, that's, that's, that's one way to word it. But look, the other thing is this is like higher education has totally gone out of control. And you should try to persuade your friends. Like, look, you should, you want things to be better and to cost less, Right? So you want less government intervention to try to get those things. Trying to make something free doesn't make it better and it doesn't make it actually cost less.

[B]

Yeah, free things are, are very expensive. If you think about it. Charlie just said it. Most, most, most free thing ever provided and it was the most expensive is Jesus's blood on the cross. Right? Think of that. But when what, when man goes, when man tries to do that, it never works. Someone has to pay. And then the saddest thing of all is for someone to want something for free. That tells you that the people that you're talking to, their character, their motivation, if any, they are so not being the human that they're supposed to be. And for them to say, well, it wouldn't be great if it was free. If it was free, you'd have no motivation to do any character or quality. And if you played that out, you would eventually have doctors who don't know which end to work on. You would have. No, but seriously, you would have people who are called astronauts, but they don't know exactly what to do about that. It would be catastrophic. But again, it's sad when somebody actually thinks that if it's free, that it's good. It's a disaster.

[A]

And I'll build on this with Jack. This is a biblical principle. Things that matter and things you're going to value. Take your effort, your commitment and your time and your sacrifice, your most precious relationships are not just something you get for free. Walking. No, that takes time and commitment. Churches that are built, this was not built overnight. It takes time and sacrifice, commitment for those things. Wouldn't you want that a society be organized around that way? You would think, but that would be rational. But thank you for being here tonight. Arizona Christian University is a great school. So thank you for being here tonight.

[B]

Wouldn't it be amazing if every elected

[A]

official believed in God and believed in Jesus Christ?

[B]

Yeah, it'd be amazing.

[A]

Would be amazing.

[B]

My name is Mark Del Maestro and I have a question for you, Joe. Do you know what a black robe pastor is?

[A]

Because you certainly sound like, you know.

[B]

I, I, I do I lament the fact that I was born 260 years too late. And I have a black robe that hangs in my. My office behind the sanctuary wall. And there's a sign on it that

[A]

says that I wear in case of tyranny.

[B]

I have a sign I put on, it says, yeah, exactly. It says, where? And it's got skull and crossbones on it says, where in case of tyranny. And when something really gets me, I will put that robe on and do a Sunday service with the black robe on, because I know exactly who regiment

[A]

he comes out in the whole thing. And he canceled. It's great.

[B]

It drives Newsweek crazy, by the way. Whenever I do it, it's a Newsweek story. So I should.

[A]

You should explain to them what it is.

[B]

Yeah, they don't have a clue.

[A]

Black Robe Regiment.

[B]

Black Robe Regiment was the. The men that were responsible for before the American Revolution. Who, who said that? Our founding fathers said so. The black Robe regiment were the pastors from about 16, technically 1605 with Pastor Hunt. 1605, can you imagine that? But more predominantly pastors from about. From about 1720 to about 1770, black robe regiments, whereby they preach, preached the scriptures. Those sitting in the congregations heard about liberty. Some guy by the name of Sam Adams said, you know what we need? We need to realize that the king of England is the modern day Pharaoh. We are like Israel and we've got to make a break. And Jefferson said, that's a really great idea. And where'd you get that idea from? And he said, from my pastor. And these were the black robe regiments. And one of the greatest. You can go research them later. Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg was the most remarkable pastor. And what he did was he summoned and called forth pastors of the colonial period. Jonathan Mayhew and others. Charles Chauncey, Jonathan Witherspoon. These guys preached and they changed the world. In fact, so much did they make an impact that some guy by the name of George Whitfield got on a boat and sailed from England to see what was happening here. And people don't know that. People don't realize that America came about by the black Robe regiment.

[A]

It founded the country. Thank you so much. Next question.

[B]

Soldiers in place.

[A]

Thank you. We'll try to get a couple more questions. Yes.

[C]

Hi, my name is Kami and I'm a nursing student here at one of the colleges in Arizona. The college that I go to, I just want to say, takes two and a half years on a wait list just to get in. So I'm in my last semester of school, I graduated in three months. My school is now giving us two options. One is to take the vaccination. The other is to get an exemption, whether it be religious or medical, get the exemption. I have had one of my classmates get denied his religious exemption on a basis not known to us. I am expecting for me to get my religious exemption denied. And so we have written numerous Arizona representatives. We have tried scheduling a meeting with our nursing director, who won't email us back. She has no showdown. One of our meetings with her, and we're just trying to figure out what we can do as a next step, being that we're so close to graduation and have sacrificed so many years for this.

[A]

What. What school is it again?

[C]

Mesa Community College.

[A]

Mesa Community College. Okay. So they're definitely in the public domain, and so they got to be very careful the way they handle this. I want to offer this for everyone out here. I had a very good meeting with the attorney General today, and he just wanted to make sure you're all aware that on his website, if you feel you've been religiously discriminated against with one of these denials, then you can file a religious discrimination claim. And he says that he's taking those very seriously and that if someone gets a letter, even a letter from the Arizona Attorney general saying, hey, we want to know about this denial, was it because what was the reason you denied them based on the religious exemption? So I just want you to know that we. I talked to the attorney General at length here, so I want you to know that's a resource available to you. It's not bulletproof, but if you're in a situation. So I just want to offer that for you, that if they deny your religious exemption, then you could go to the Arizona attorney general website. And I've been told by him and his team that they're taking these very seriously. Is it because they don't like Christian exemptions? Like, if you got a Muslim exemption, would they grant it? Like, that needs to be investigated. You want to say something and follow up to that really quick?

[C]

So he put on his exemption that he was pro Christian, and I was going to turn mine in tomorrow. So I was curious if I should put that I'm Muslim and can't get in.

[A]

No, don't do that.

[C]

Not that I am, but we were just trying to see.

[A]

Yes, she's already thinking this way. She's like, yeah, no, but listen, what

[B]

I can tell you, there's certain language that you have to have, and I Want to encourage you to go to our website. Go to our website. What is our website? I don't have a clue. I never go there. Calvarycch.org is that close. Calvarycch.org download the exemption form. Download both of them. Here's the reason why the. The verbiage on the inside prepared by attorneys. Okay. Exact same story you just told was a successful story for one of our congregants at UCI Medical. Same thing. UCI, okay. Super liberal school, crazy school. But this being the case, he presented it. It's written in such a way by attorneys who are not only constitutional attorneys, but they are born again believers and they know how to talk. You can't say I'm a Christian. You can't say that I don't believe in vaccines. You can't say that. But what they did, they crafted this. So far it's been bulletproof. It's been amazing. You need to look at. Everybody needs to take a look at it. One addition is there's a friend that is being threatened. We don't, we don't. We're not going to pay any attention to your religious exemption. What he wound up doing. I wrote this out for him, but I wouldn't put my name on it. But it was simply this. I so and so I'm being asked by this company to accept the vaccine based against my own desires. And I do this under duress because my livelihood is being threatened if I lose my job. And so it must be understood that I believe that my first amendment is being violated. Violated. And so I There. Now listen, this doesn't normally work, but the point is this. I am hereby consenting to receiving the vaccine only if a representative of this school or corporation signs here. Dotted line. And I, from the moment of reception of the vaccine, hold this institution responsible for any health issues that will surface from this moment forward. Now, an attorney in the House might say that'll never work. But what I can tell you is everyone that's handed it out has said, we'll get back to you. They've looked at it and they've said we'll get back to you. But please go to our website. Please look@the calvarycch.org Calvary CC where do

[A]

they go on the website?

[B]

Just follow the. You just follow the. Whatever.

[A]

Vaccine letter.

[B]

Yeah, man. What does it say?

[A]

It says exemption form.

[B]

Okay, exemption form.

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Vaccine exemption form. But you also. I want to encourage you with one thing though. You'll probably be able to run out the clock because you only have One semester left. Right. So. And I know you want to say smart really quick, and I want to

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get to the next questions with this is if we were given a timeline, we have to have all doses of the vaccination before September 30th.

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You have to sue them over.

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Yeah.

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If you do the religious exemption, you can't go back if there's no going back. So for my classmate, he's actually removed from the program.

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Yeah.

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They need to contact ADF or some group here.

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So. So if you want to get one of our. We have another attorney that might be able to help you. Kelly Shackelford, for liberties when really good. Yes. So. But I think you might be able to beat this one. I don't say that lightly because some of these are kind of fool's errands, but thank you for being here.

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Be respectful, be loving, but be tough.

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I know we're going late. We're going to try to get to one. One or two more. Yes.

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So I'm a Christian teacher at Paradise Valley Christian Preparatory.

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Awesome.

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And my job is to help parents who come to private schools to get funding to support their child's needs.

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Awesome.

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And today I received an email, which is so bizarre, from the PV district. And they said that after tomorrow, any student that has not met with the district staffing, which is kind of funny this year, it's been really hard to get them to do staffings with us. And they said after tomorrow, all funding is stopped for the. Any students that are going to private schools or home school. And one of the phrase she said in there is, we've had such a large income increase in homeschool families that we cannot keep the funding for these students that do not come to public school.

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Now, we met earlier. Don't you help deal with this? Yeah. So could you help her out with that? Okay. We had a great conversation. I'm not literate in that, but I'm gonna see, this is why we have this beautiful event. Right. Because we're gonna find experts that. I have no idea how to help with that, but I bet they're. They're breaking some rule. Right. And so. So I'm going to connect you to.

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Because otherwise, we're going to have a ton of students in our school who will not get the funding to help their children.

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All right, we're going to help you fix that. Okay, Last question. All right. Yes. My name is Nick. I want to say one, I love you because of all the things that you stand for. And I have a question for you, sir. I run a public safety agency, and I refuse to get the vaccine. Refuse it. So to the point where even my family has been subjugated from hospital from doing so because they refused to get the vaccine. They were sitting in the emergency room for eight hours or more before they were taken back, even though they were. Should be considered a priority. My question to you is, coming from our perspective as a Christian, how do I move forward to battling this as, like an evil type of thing and being able to take a stand in the public safety community to say what I believe?

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Well, first of all, it is evil. It is an evil thing. And as believers, we understand that we're in a spiritual battle. The weapons of our warfare, the Bible says, are not of this world. They're not carnal. That means that there's dark forces, but it's lived out in the world that you and I live in. And Christians need to wake up and come to the fight. We got to show up to the fight. How you show up to the fight. You, you, you use the freedoms that we have left. I mean, honestly, I believe we've lost the freedoms that we've lost because we weren't using them in the first place. It's a muscle we lost. You have got to speak up. You've got to write letters. You've got. But listen, you've got to do it respectfully and intelligently. And you, you watch, you listen to Turning Point. There's other organizations where you can get talking points and learn how to do this. But you, by all means, learn your battlefield. Learn your enemy. No, I don't. When I say enemy. The system out there has taken stupid pills and, and, and it's, it's lost its constitutional concept. You've got to remind them of it. You have a First Amendment. You pay taxes. You've got to make respectful noise. Paul the Apostle did this. You guys in Caesarea, when he said, I appeal to Caesar. Let's just stop talking. I'm going to go to Caesar, and as a Roman citizen, that's my right. And they said, yeah, you're right. We have to send you to Rome now, because that's your right. You need to use those rights.

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Well said. All right, so we have. I'll trust your judgment. Ash. Last. Last one. All right. Super last. Even though we're way over time. Hi, my name is Aidan Nicholas. I'm a homeschooler here. Hey, there we go. The future of America.

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I think I turned out okay.

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We'll see.

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So my question to you is, so

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Christians, obviously have to obey the government to a certain extent. So I think one of the problems with that Christians are undergoing is when should we disobey the government? And I think one of the.

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I guess our founders had to ask

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this question at one point.

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Point.

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So I think one of the. The first questions that I would like to understand and I don't have an answer for this, is was the American Revolution biblically justified? Yes, it was. We're going to do this as quickly as we can. Jack, you go first, then I'll go and then we'll wrap it all together.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Especially when you study what brought it into. What brought the revolution into being. You're talking about a dictatorial tyrant called King George iii who was not only enslaving the colonialists to pay for England's expansionism, but it was even restricting the types of sermons and what could be preached in colonial America. Our Founding Fathers said, we've got to throw this yoke off. But you don't even have to listen to those guys. Go back to William Bradford, go back to the Mayflower Compact and find out what those separatists were all about. Their whole thing was they have. The Church of Europe has placed upon us impossible things that God is not for God is for us to preach freely and to congregate freely. So, yes, remember this, Romans 13 is in the Bible to protect the believer, not the government. It says right there that the government's been appointed by God to do good. When the government ceases to do good, it's no longer under the authority of God. It's gone rogue. It's called California and that's exactly what's happened.

[A]

And two examples, Daniel 6 and Acts 5. Daniel disobeyed the orders when they were against God's commands, and he did so publicly and was willing to accept the price. And Acts 5, the Scriptures are, we will obey God rather than man. The Founding Fathers first appear appealed through legal means.

[B]

That's right.

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And they appealed through written means. They appealed through meetings, sending Benjamin Franklin to Parliament, and eventually. Who fired the first shot? Britain fired the first shot. We did not. They declared war on us. It was not a war of independence. It was really an attempt at separation. We tried peaceful and we tried dialogue. And eventually, if you had to go to blows and aims, then eventually it went to that. Because they understood the right, the righteous cause they were involved in. Happy to go through that in a deeper biblical theological way, but we are over time. I just want to say this next meeting, everybody. October 19th, right, Joe? We're going to have hopefully a really big speaker to announce. And I want to say, everybody, there's momentum here in Arizona. I feel it moving. There will be an audit report coming out very soon that I hope we all keep our eyes on. And for those of you guys watching online, if you want to hear this conversation and more conversations like it, you guys can check out the Charlie Kirk show podcast. We're going to rebroadcast this. Support Dream City Church guys if you can and show up to their wonderful services. And everybody, let's give up. Give it up for Jack Kibbs, the one and the only for coming here tonight. God bless you guys. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us your thoughts [e-mail] and if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com God bless you guys. Speak to you soon. For more on many of these stories

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and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.