A Tale of Two Truths + AMA

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: "A Tale of Two Truths + AMA"

Date: April 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, hosts Andrew, Blake Neff, and guest contributors discuss the fallout from former President Trump's "tale of two truths" social posts—one aggressively targeting prominent conservative commentators, and the other highlighting a Haitian migrant’s violent crime as a critique of Biden’s immigration policy. The hosts analyze shifting conservative alliances, the politics of dominance within MAGA, legal skirmishes over immigration, the controversy surrounding the UVU commencement speaker after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, listener questions on family and activism, and broader political currents, including US-Iran relations and changing youth attitudes on Israel. The episode balances incisive political commentary with audience Q&A, maintaining the late Charlie Kirk’s signature direct, grassroots voice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Tale of Two Truths: Trump vs. Conservative Media Figures

[01:38–08:50]

• Trump posted an aggressive "Truth" criticizing Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones, labeling them as low IQ, “nutjobs,” and troublemakers, accusing them of siding with Iran and turning on him.
  • Quote: “They all have one thing in common, low IQs. They are stupid people. They know it, their families know it, everyone else knows it too.” —Blake Neff quoting Trump ([02:14])
• The response highlighted the volatile nature of Trump’s coalition and the hyper-personalized style of MAGA politics.
  • Disagreements centered around recent criticism of Trump’s handling of Iran, the war, and use of the 25th Amendment.
• Blake notes Trump’s political approach is about showing dominance: “He always wants it to be clear that he is in charge of the party, he is in charge of the movement.” ([08:00])
• Andrew emphasizes the confusion and tension when political allies become critics, remarking, “What did you think was gonna happen?”
• Both hosts distinguish between genuine policy rifts and personal disputes staged for public dominance.

2. Contrasting Trump’s Messaging: Immigration and Crime

[08:50–13:41]

• The “other truth”: Trump’s second post focused on a Haitian migrant committing murder, tying the crime directly to Biden’s border policies and temporary protective status programs.
• Hosts praise Trump for channeling outrage into potent, policy-based messaging that energizes the base.
  • Quote: “This is Trump. This is peak Trump.” —Andrew ([10:56])
• Discussion on strategic use of “worst of the worst” narratives for maximum electoral impact, drawing distinctions between base motivators like mass deportation (50% support) and highly-charged cases of immigrant crime (up to 75% support).
  • Quote: “The base is enthusiastic about mass deportations. That’s what President Trump ran on… If you want enthusiasm, if you want turnout, give us what we want.” —Andrew ([57:52])

3. Immigration Policy and Judicial Roadblocks

[13:41–14:07]

• Critique of judges blocking deportations and TPS (Temporary Protected Status) reform.
• Blake suggests: “If you wanted to test the waters where it’s worth taking a constitutional risk, it would be...not let them block us from deporting some of these people.” ([13:41])

4. Melania Trump Addresses Epstein and Congressional Accountability

[14:07–16:20]

• Melania Trump calls for Congressional hearings for Epstein’s victims: “[Congress] must work openly and transparently to uncover the truth… Each and every woman should have her day to tell her story in public.” ([14:07])
• Hosts highlight this as a strong offensive move, contrasting Democrats’ focus on political weaponization with Melania’s focus on justice for victims.
• Noted tension with Epstein survivors: Some resist further public testimony, framing it as a “deflection of responsibility, not justice.”

5. Epstein Co-Conspirators and Accountability

[16:41–17:21]

• Rep. Anna Paulina Luna names four Epstein co-conspirators and insists they not be treated as victims: “All of these women engaged [in] trafficking of minors as adults… they are not to be given victim status…” ([16:41])

6. UVU Commencement Controversy After Charlie’s Assassination

[19:26–28:38]

• Caleb Chilkut, TPUSA UVU Chapter President, speaks out against the selection of Sharon McMahon as the 2026 commencement speaker, citing her insensitive and critical posts after Kirk’s assassination.
  • Quote: "Platforming someone who treated a historic and tragic political assassination not as a moment to grieve, but as an opportunity to create content is tone deaf and disrespectful…” —Caleb ([22:50])
• Hosts and Caleb highlight the lack of university response, the emotional impact on campus, and assert their right to criticize (not cancel) UVU’s decision.
  • Quote: “We're not doing cancel culture. We're using our first amendment rights here, Caleb, to say that you've made a terrible decision.” —Andrew ([28:11])
• The segment underlines the importance of institutional memory and respect in a polarized environment.

7. US-Iran Peace Talks and Political Implications

[32:42–35:58]

• Updates on fragile negotiations with Iran, the impact of hostage and asset demands, and shifting regional alliances.
• Analysis on the domestic pressure to end the conflict and the leverage both Iran and US negotiators are deploying.
  • Quote: “It is easier to start a war than to end it, because starting a war only requires one person's approval… Ending it does require two.” —Blake ([35:02])
• Trump’s posture characterized as both forceful and transactional—willing to escalate if negotiations stall.

8. Audience Feedback: Trump’s Lucidity and the 25th Amendment

[35:58–40:20]

• Email responses show the majority of listeners reject narratives that Trump is unfit or in decline; skepticism toward the 25th Amendment talk is high.
  • Quote: “Do you actually buy any of this 25th amendment? Trump’s losing it. He’s not lucid. He’s getting too old…? I don’t believe it. I'll put my cards on the table.” —Andrew ([36:54])
• Reads from listeners, showing a range of Trump support, worries over attacks on critics, and fatigue with infighting.

9. AMA – Ask Me Anything: Family, Activism, and Life after Charlie

[40:20–62:05]

• Listeners call in with personal and political questions:
  • Running for school board as a mom: Importance of family unity before activism. “Everything has to start with you and your husband making a decision together… Your home front to be just completely secure.” —Andrew ([41:00])
  • Pastoral leadership and family as strength recounted by Mikey McCoy.
  • Inside stories about Charlie Kirk’s personal quirks—his disciplined eating, occasional treat of mint chocolate chip ice cream, decisive behavior in group dinners, and how the White House honored his memory.
  • Reflections on whether young people are truly clueless about Israel, or instead reacting to decades of conflict and foreign policy fatigue: “We don’t question Israel for no reason… We’re tired of seeing government money go elsewhere…” —Mikey McCoy ([70:11])
• Discussion of possible book or documentary projects to capture Charlie Kirk’s legacy.
  • “Charlie did love Walter Isaacson… If you want to do a biography on Charlie, we should talk.” —Andrew ([61:35])
• Listeners encouraged to send questions and suggestions on local candidates to challenge pro-amnesty Republicans.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s Leadership Style:
  “He always wants it to be clear that he is in charge of the party, he is in charge of the movement… MAGA is centered around him personally, and that’s important to the president to express.”
  —Blake Neff ([08:00])

• On University Decisions and Free Speech:
  “We’re not trying to do cancel culture. That’s not what we want. We’re just highlighting just the poor slap in the face decision…”
  —Caleb Chilkut ([24:05])

• On the 25th Amendment Debates:
  “Ultimately, when people bring up the 25th amendment thing for a case other than Biden… they’re basically saying they don’t… like that we have a republic that elects the president.”
  —Blake Neff ([45:38])

• On Youth Sentiment Toward Israel & Foreign Policy:
  “From the time we were born to today, with 9/11 and so on, there’s been a war in the Middle East… now, as young people… it’s not just singularly Israel, it’s foreign policy as a whole. We’re tired of seeing government money go elsewhere…”
  —Mikey McCoy ([70:11])

• Listener Reflections:
  “What gives them or anyone the impression they can say anything they want about anyone and not get a response? Trump feels the world is against him when all he’s ever wanted to do is make America great again. It boggles the mind really.”
  —Listener Debbie ([36:20])

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Important Timestamps

• 01:38 — Beginning of Trump’s “Tale of Two Truths” analysis
• 02:14 — Reading Trump’s critical Truth post
• 08:50 — Pivot to Trump’s message on Haitian migrant crime
• 14:07 — Melania Trump’s speech on Epstein and call for Congressional hearings
• 16:41 — Rep. Anna Paulina Luna names Epstein co-conspirators
• 19:26 — UVU Chapter President on commencement speaker controversy
• 32:42 — Iran peace talks and analysis of leverage
• 35:58 — Reading and responding to listener emails on Trump/25th Amendment
• 40:20 — Ask Me Anything: motherhood and school board campaigns
• 51:06 — Memories of Charlie Kirk’s eating habits and commemorations
• 57:35 — Salazar primary challenge and amnesty debate
• 68:01 — Generational divides and attitudes toward Israel

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Tone & Style

• The show retains its no-holds-barred, unapologetically conservative and activist tone, focusing on clarity in contentious times.
• Audience interaction is warm, with hosts often echoing and amplifying listener sentiments.
• Political analysis is spiced with personal anecdotes, direct challenges to perceived political enemies, and repeated calls to action for grassroots involvement.

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TL;DR (For New Listeners)

This episode dives into Trump’s latest broadsides against onetime allies, the ongoing battle over immigration and crime, new white-hot controversies in conservative education activism, and listener-led discussions on family, faith, and the future of the campus movement in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The hosts keep energy high while navigating somber, sensitive, and occasionally lighthearted listener questions—blending hardline political messaging with personal insights, movement strategy, and tributes to Charlie’s memory.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Andrew]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew]

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's April 10, 2026 here at the Y refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Blake, welcome.

[Charlie Kirk]

Howdy.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Invest yrefi.com I love it. We are transitioning over why Refi Studios. Great partners of the show. Lots of news to get to. Yesterday ended up being a fairly eventful

[Blake Neff]

day that it did both with real events and the even more entertaining type fake events that happen in the media.

[Andrew]

Well said. All right, so we are titling this first segment of the show the tale of two truths because President Trump really he unfurled on truth against some former supporters including Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Megyn Kelly and Candace Owens in one giant truth social post. And we're going to compare and contrast the messaging of that with another truth in just a second. But Blake, your take.

[Blake Neff]

Okay. Well, we should if you haven't seen it, we can't read the whole thing. It's pretty long even for a Trump truth. But he does say he dropped this yesterday afternoon somewhat out of the blue. The start it says. I know why. Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones have all been fighting me for years. Especially by the fact they think it is wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror to have a nuclear weapon. They all have one thing in common, low IQs. They are stupid people. They know it, their families know it, everyone else knows it too. He goes on to call them nutjobs and troublemakers.

[Andrew]

He says they are each one.

[Blake Neff]

Yes. He goes through each. He says they are the opposite of maga. He says he attacks Tucker, Says he didn't finish college. He says he goes after Megyn Kelly for asking him the nasty, now famous, only Rosie o' Donnell question. He says that the first. The respected. The highly respected first lady of France, who is not a man, is more attractive than Candace Owens. He goes after Alex Jones for losing that lawsuit over the San Diego bankrupt. Willie just blasts all of them.

[Andrew]

Pretty scorched earth.

[Blake Neff]

Very scorched earth. Very scorched earth.

[Andrew]

Although, you know, it's funny, I heard a couple people responded to this like, that was pretty tepid for Trump. He could have gone harder. And I was like, I don't know.

[Blake Neff]

I don't think that's true. It was very scorched earth. The reason, of course he did that is they have all been very vocally critical of the Iran intervention. And in particular, they were all extremely critical of his rhetoric just in the past few days.

[Andrew]

Specifically, everything got ratcheted up to a next level after the end of civilization truce.

[Blake Neff]

Precisely. Precisely. I recall Alex Jones, he said something like war crime alert over that and said, this is not what we voted for. Megyn Kelly said it was irresponsible and disgusting. She says, I am sick of this bleep. Why can't he just behave like a normal human president? Trump floated that the president's staff should sort of defy his orders.

[Andrew]

Tucker.

[Blake Neff]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Andrew]

Why did I say Trump.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, Tucker said that. That his staff should defy the order. And, and there was. There was that 25th amendment.

[Andrew]

Ton of discussion of the 25th amendment. And yes.

[Blake Neff]

And of course, Candace has suggested he was involved in murdering Charlie, which is obscene.

[Andrew]

So my take on this is basically a couple of things. One, there are actually really important matters happening in the world, in the country. This is a bit of a distraction. However, what did you think was gonna happen?

[Blake Neff]

You know, so he's a man who responds very forcefully.

[Andrew]

Your response when this happened was pretty interesting. You said, I'm surprised it took this long. Candidly, yeah.

[Blake Neff]

They have been vocally critical of the conflict since it started. And the president is a guy who responds pretty rapidly when he feels people have turned on him out of his coalition. We've seen what he's done with Congressman Massie. We've seen what he did with Marjorie Taylor Greene, which he bashes in there.

[Andrew]

Elon Musk. It was a quick.

[Blake Neff]

And that's interesting because that gets at. We remember When Elon Musk first broke away, he comes out and says President Trump is in the Epstein files. Basically says he's involved, suggests he's involved in sex trafficking. Very critical. And we remember Charlie said, I think they could possibly reunite over this and paper this over.

[Andrew]

And listen, emotions are high. Correct. And I would say that the Elon Musk example is an example of what President Trump is capable of doing. Right. Which is, if you look back, him and Meghan were not friends. They came back together in 2024. Megyn Kelly has said that she will vote Republican over a Democrat no matter what. It doesn't matter how upset she is. Tucker Carlson had text released in the Dominion lawsuit which revealed that he did not like President Trump at a certain point. Then he campaigned in 2024 on his behalf. So we don't know where this is going to happen. Alex Jones. I'm a little less clear. Alex has been supportive of the President over the years and has turned on him. Alex's response to this, by the way, was that, thank you for making it clear that I want nothing to you and I don't support you anymore. Basically. I would put Candace in a completely different category of all of this, actually. But the end result is it's a bit of a distraction. But what did you think was gonna happen? And let's just make one thing clear. If you're gonna call for the 25th Amendment of the sitting President of the United States, you're calling for a palace coup. That's what you're calling for. Because the 25th Amendment was written and passed bipartisan fashion in 1967. Why? Because you had the Woodrow Wilson basically where he was debilitated and his wife and his physician kept that from the country. Okay. That was 1919, I believe. Then you had a heart attack and a stroke by Eisenhower. Little known fact of history. But in both of those instances, it was unclear what was going to happen. If he didn't survive those instances, then you had the assassination of jfk. But what would have happened had JFK just been a vegetable and survived it? Right. He obviously died. So LBJ took over. But what would have happened if he would have just been incapacitated? So they needed a mechanism constitutionally to. If the President is unable to dispatch the duties and responsibilities of the President, that's what the 25th Amendment is. It's not when you don't like his policies. It's not when you like when you don't like the war in Iran. It's about if he is mentally unfit and Unable to do the job. Meaning you had a stroke or something.

[Blake Neff]

Well, that, of course, is what some people are claiming he is.

[Andrew]

Yeah. But he's obviously lucid, and he's the same Trump we've always.

[Blake Neff]

So we'd love to see what all of you make of this. So send us emails if you're.

[Andrew]

We'll read them next second.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, we'll take a look at them. I think what this is a good reminder of is it is how the president approaches politics, which is he can handle criticism on policy grounds. But there's a certain thing where President Trump is a guy who thinks through the language of dominance. He always wants it to be clear that he is in charge of the party, he is in charge of the movement. That you'll notice that he says this, I am maga. These people are not maga. He very much, frankly, wants to emphasize that MAGA is centered around him personally, and that's important to the president to express. And I think it's the efforts to define what MAGA is in a way that would say, oh, Trump is not doing a MAGA thing. I think that is ultimately what sets him off the most, along with just the efforts to undercut him, to be fair. The 25th Amendment.

[Andrew]

Yeah. He was asked about Tucker, I think, a week or two ago, and Tucker was already being critical of him, and he kind of brushed it off. And he said, well, it's okay, you know. And I think, you know, to your point, I'm surprised it took so long in some of these instances. We have a tale of two truths, though. So just to put a fine point on it, he offered this other truth about the Haitian migrant that we covered on the show yesterday. And I think that's an example of some of his best messaging domestically in recent memory. And, of course, the Haitian migrant was not supposed to be in this country, was led in by Joe Biden, was given temporary protected services status, and then bludgeoned a store clerk to death with a hammer. And President Trump went off on that. The tale of two truths. One, I think, is distracting. Again, I understand why he did it. The other is focused right here at home. And it was a powerful truth. We have so much to get to, so I'm gonna get right into it. So I wanna give a little bit more airtime to this Haitian truth social, because, again, I think President Trump at his best, is railing against the abuses and the pillaging and the. Yeah, just the abuses of this country of ours. And so he says an illegal alien criminal from Haiti who was released into our country by the worst president in history. Crooked Joe Biden and the radical Democrats in Congress just beat an innocent woman to death with a hammer at a gas station in Florida. The video of her brutal slaying is one of the most vicious things you will ever see. And unfortunately, there it is again. We have it censored sufficiently. This animal was allowed to stay here because the Biden administration granted him and all Haitians temporary protective status. A massively abused and fraudulent program which my administration is working to eliminate. But deranged liberal district court judges are standing in our way. This one killing should be enough for these radical judges to stop impeding my administration's immigration policies and allow us to end this scam once and for all. To my fellow Republicans and frankly, all common sense Americans, never forget that Joe Biden and the Democrat party turned the United States of America into a dumping ground. And to that I say yes and amen. This is Trump. This is peak Trump.

[Blake Neff]

This is where you want him to be. I'll be honest, I understand why he picked that fight he did yesterday with all the podcasts. But I wish if every aggressive truth was about something like this. Totally grab a worst of the worst scenario of what the left has done to this country, what they're still trying to do to this country. And, and it was, it's so great. I remember it happening so much in the first term. For example, when he had the, you know, the crap hole countries.

[Andrew]

Yep.

[Blake Neff]

Quote that leaked and it was the biggest story of the day because it was so offensive that he was saying oh, we shouldn't have immigrants from crappy countries. And yet he basically won that cycle because ordinary Americans don't think we should have infinite people come here from crappy countries.

[Andrew]

Totally the dumping ground line in that tweet, I, I wanted to like it viscerally connected.

[Blake Neff]

Or it was during his, his time in the wilderness where he said bad immigrants are poisoning the blood of America. And then they did a poll and it turned out a majority of Americans do think immigrants poison the blood of the country.

[Andrew]

CNN was very upset about that. I remember that. But that's where you want him. You want CNN upset at him and you want the base rallying behind him. This is my whole point with mass deportations. Right. You hear the line, mass deportation, it's only about 50, 50 issue, about 50% support. Whereas worst of the worst, about 75% of American support. You can't compare those two buckets the same. The 50% that support mass deportation is your base. It's Your most adamant and ardent supporters. They will come out in a midterm. Okay. That's who we need to rile up the base. These kind of truths do that. They affect the base at a visceral level. It gets us fired up. And we remember the carnage of the Biden years, and we want to get out and make sure Republicans get elected to support that kind of policy. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And we talk about where it's worth taking risks on things. And sometimes you have people very agitated on Twitter saying, a judge rules against President Trump.

[Andrew]

Oh, he should defy this judge.

[Blake Neff]

I think in 99% of cases, that's not worth doing because it's provoking a crisis when you have a friendly Supreme Court. But as an example, this immigrant who just murdered this woman in Florida was a beneficiary of temporary protected status. We have been trying to repeal temporary protected status on all these groups. And you repeatedly are having these district court judges, including in some cases, I think there's a Florida liberal judge who's been reversed by the Supreme Court over and over again on questions like this. And if you wanted to test the waters where it's worth taking a constitutional risk, it would be. If we have a judge who's been reversed on the same thing by the Supreme Court two, three, four times, we're going to not let them block us from deporting some of these people. Yeah, that might be a risk that's worth taking.

[Andrew]

Amen. And I think that's kind of where we're all at at the base. It's like, if we're gonna spend political capital and spend political will, messaging will. Let's get it done on immigration, deportations. I think it's the most important issue still. All right, so we wanna quickly pivot. Wanna get to Melania. She surprised everybody at the White House press corps yesterday by taking the podium and addressing Epstein. And we want to get into it because one part of it is truly, I think, important.

[Melania Trump]

Sat 1, now is the time for Congress to act. Epstein was not alone. Several prominent mill executives resigned from their powerful positions after this matter became widely politicized. Of course, this doesn't amount to guilt, but we still must work openly and transparently to uncover the truth. I call on Congress to provide the women who have been victimized by Epstein with a public hearing specifically centered around the survivors. Each and every woman should have her day to tell her story in public. If she wishes, then, and only then, we will have the truth.

[Andrew]

All right, so I think this is brilliant, and I'll explain why because she's taking offense. Right. The administration has been playing too much defense on this issue. The truth still remains that Joe Biden and the Democrats didn't release any of this. The Trump administration has. She starts this whole speech by saying, anything on the Internet that you see that ties me to Epstein is garbage. I've already got a bunch of apologies. We're gonna keep policing these statements. Then she says, I want them to get justice, have them testify before Congress. Well, then this puts the Democrats in defense. Because all they want, and I think this is very clear, is they don't want justice for the victims. They wanna get Trump. They wanna weaponize Epstein to get Trump. This makes them either say, yeah, good for Melania. Well, good, good, yeah, here we agree. In which case that doesn't have nearly as much potency from a political standpoint, or they fight back and sort of show their cards that this has been a ruse the whole time just to get Trump. Now, what's interesting here is the reaction by the quote, unquote, survivors. They have come out and said, well, we've already done enough, we shouldn't have to do more. Which is very interesting.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, they said there was about 15 of them and they signed a statement. Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein have already shown extraordinary courage by coming forward, filing reports and giving testimony. Asking more of them now is a deflection of responsibility, not justice.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. So this is a very interesting dynamic that's emerging. And I do think this has the opportunity, with Pam Bondi leaving to reset the deck at the doj. Maybe there's an opportunity to be take the offensive foot, which could help in a lot of ways. So let's go ahead. And this is Annapolina Luna. Congresswoman Anna Polina Luna talking about the co conspirators, which is an interesting clip. Cut five.

[Anna Paulina Luna]

That Jeffrey Epstein was running a intelligence gathering operation. In my professional opinion, I do believe it was a honeypot operation. And I do believe that there's a list of individuals who did engage in trafficking were given these plea deals. And I'm going to name those individuals right now. The first one would be Leslie Groff. The second one Sarah Kellen. The third one Nadia Markova. And the fourth one, Adriana Ross. All of these women engaged trafficking, engaged in the trafficking of minors as adults. They were working complicit with Jeffrey Epstein's operation. And in my opinion, they are not to be given victim status because they did partake in harming young girls.

[Andrew]

So those are people that have been given plea deals as if they were victims. But they were, in Anna Paulina Luna's perspective, co conspirators because they helped traffic the young women to Jeffrey Epstein. Another name that's come up a lot is Hayley Robeson, who sort of now notoriously spoke with Ro Khanna after the State of the Union. She's another one that's been named as potentially trafficking young women as well. So this is a developing situation and we are going to keep our eyes on it because there's a lot of moving pieces here. And the deck just got reset. America is entering its 250th year and the direction of this country is being decided right now in our culture and our economy. And who we choose to support matters more than ever. Most wireless companies don't care who you are or what you believe. They just want your money. Patriot Mobile is different. For more than 12 years they've stood with Americans who believe freedom is worth fighting for, funding the Christian conservative movement when others stayed silent. And here's the deal. You don't have to give up quality or service when you switch to Patriot Mobile. They deliver premium priority access on all three major U.S. networks. So you'll get the same or better coverage than you have today. Think switching is a hassle? It isn't. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Their 100%. US based support team can activate you in just minutes. Still paying off a device, Patriot Mobile even offers a contract buyout. This is a defining year. We gotta work together to save our country. So go to patriotmobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot and use the promo code Charlie for a free, free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com Charlie or call them at 972 Patriot using the promo code Charlie and switch today. All right, we want to pivot here to what's going on at uvu. Obviously that is the campus where Charlie was assassinated on September 10, 2025. And we have the chapter president, Caleb Chilkut, who is, like I said, the TPUSA UVU Chapter president with us now. Caleb, welcome back to the show.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Thank you so much. I'm so glad to be here.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well. And you got a haircut, Caleb. You look at. I did a bit of a change last time. It was, you know, it was longer. Anyways, good to see you. So there's controversy brewing at UVU and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but essentially there has been a commencement speaker that has been chosen and this her. Her name is Sharon McMahon and she's been selected as the 2026 commencement speaker, fill our audience in. Caleb, why this is causing a stir and you've even issued a statement on behalf of the chapter there at TP at uvu. Tell us what's going on.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Yeah. So two days or even a couple days after Charlie was assassinated, Sharon made a post on her Instagram, Sharon says so with a series of out of context quotes, basically tarnishing Charlie's name. And then when she started to get a little bit of slack on that, she then deleted the post. And then four days later made a very just underwhelming statement, kind of disavowing political violence by saying that political violence wants us hopeless. Refusing to give us to give her that kind of power is its own kind of defiance. And that's all she said, mentioning political violence, Charlie's assassination. And it's just kind of like I said in my statement, just disheartening that UVU would not even, I guess, do their research.

[Andrew]

And maybe they did.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Maybe they did. Yeah. And they're just laughing at our face. To bring her on as a commencement speaker is kind of just disgusting.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's a slap in the face. It really is. Go ahead, Blake.

[Blake Neff]

I just wanted to read some of them. There was a whole sequence of posts that she made.

[Andrew]

Carousel.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it was just a whole sequence of them, but I want to get some of them. Like, if you were a Charlie Kirk fan, you might not realize why there is so much backlash to post eulogizing his death. And she says to many Americans, especially if you are black, LGBTQ or Muslim, Charlie Kirk was not a person who engaged in good faith debates on college campuses. And she has quotes from him that she says are bad. The controversy is not about having a difference of opinion or preaching the gospel. It is about repeating bigoted ideas on a stage that reached tens of millions. It is important to remember that the incredible tragedy of a public assassination does not erase the harm many experienced from his words and the ensuing actions his followers took. I have no idea what she's referring to there, but she's suggesting he was

[Andrew]

sort of hosting hate violence monger, hosting free speech events where people just got to the front of the line.

[Blake Neff]

And she says these are just a handful of examples after she had quotes from them. And to many, when they see people treating Charlie Kirk like a martyr, it seems like they are also endorsing these ideas. So this is the woman who's going to be the speaker at uvu at

[Andrew]

the very campus where an assassin took his life. And that's what I. I kind of want to get into this. What you said there, Caleb, you said they didn't do their research and I would probably presume to believe they did do their research and they don't want to be associated with this horrific event in a way or something. Right. It's almost like an effort to distance themselves from, I guess, some perceived alignment with Turney Point and somehow I'm not exactly sure what the psychology would be behind it, but I find it pretty gross. You've made this statement. I want to kind of give you your statement. It's due here because I think the final section is really well said because you say universities should welcome diverse viewpoints. Platforming someone who treated a historic and tragic political assassination not as a moment to grieve, but as an opportunity to create content is tone deaf and disrespectful to those affected, especially on this campus. There are countless better alternatives. Amen. And the fact that the university is choosing McMahon is entirely disappointing to all of us still reeling from his loss. I couldn't be more disappointed in the university for such a hurtful and callous decision. Now I saw you post this on Social and some of the comments below actually chimed in because it was so irritating. Some of the comments below said whatever happened to free speech? And my, my reaction is, well, what about our right to free speech to be upset at this decision? Do you not understand that? Free speech, how it works, it's a two way street, folks. That, yeah, the university, sure, maybe they have the right to make a dumb decision. But you and your chapter members, us here at Charlie Kirk show, we have our free speech to criticize how stupid that decision is.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Exactly. And I mean like we're not trying to do cancel culture. That's not what we want. We're just highlighting just the poor slap in the face decision that UVU was making on just is a slap in the face to us and the millions of other Americans who liked Charlie and want to continue his voice. Like I said in my statement, there are millions of other possible speakers who they could bring. But the same school year that Charlie was assassinated on my campus, they bring someone who days after he was killed, just tries to profit off misinformation.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's really sick. And by the way, we did a whole episode debunking basically every single one of those clips. I hadn't seen this Instagram post at the time, but it basically lines up one to one because everybody that wanted to come out after the assassination to take cherry pick clips of his or quotes of his and use it to tarnish his legacy. Use the same ones. And there is a logical explanation for each one of those comments that he made. They're mostly complete garbage. Right? Yet it's like the black pilot clip. There was some comments about Islam that I currently very much still agree with. I mean, but it's just fascinating to me that they would do this. And like I said, it seems like an intentional attempt to disrespect Charlie. And today is the seventh month anniversary of his ass. We're not even a year out. We're not eight months out. We're seven months. We just got to seven months. They made this announcement when we were about six months out. So I'm with you and I'm grateful to you for speaking up. Caleb, what is the chatter on campus? What are you hearing students say? Is it a big topic of conversation right now? Explain.

[Caleb Chilkut]

It's definitely a mixed presence on campus. The people who were there, the six and a half thousand people that were there during Charlie's debate and the conservatives on campus are definitely upset. But of course you get the other side of people who are celebrating the decision that UV was made to kind of rub it in Tony Point's face, I feel like. And so there's a bit of that conversation going on. But another thing that's disgusting is UVU has not addressed it. They haven't made a statement. They haven't acknowledged any sort of this talk that's going on right now.

[Andrew]

Blake, you're the academic. I guess it's not surprising. It's disappointing, but it's not surprising, I

[Blake Neff]

guess, just bigger picture. Obviously, I don't want to dwell on the negative stuff. So we've had a lot of different chapter leaders on. But obviously your chapter at that university has a special place in our heart because of what you've endured. So just more broadly, what's the spiritual environment like on campus? What's the feeling within the chapter about Charlie's legacy?

[Caleb Chilkut]

Our chapter, they keep immorals pretty high. Last time I was on the show, I talked about the memorial and it is going through. And our chapter, we the one to design it and place it on campus. So we're kind of just focusing on that excitement right now to secure Charlie's legacy on our campus. So like you said, we're just keeping on the positives.

[Andrew]

Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah. And we're just going to say it right now. We're calling on the university to address this controversy very publicly. We want you to publicly do it. We Want you to acknowledge the fact that your decision has been hurtful to our students on that chapter that lived through a tragedy none of them should have had to endure or witness, and that this is a slap in the face. And we want you to acknowledge this uvu, because it's disgusting. And I just want to underscore. We're not doing cancel culture. We're using our first amendment rights here, Caleb, to say that you've made a terrible decision. Uvu, and. And we think it's intentional if it wasn't, if you were unaware, if you didn't do your research. Fine, Say that. Or maybe cancel this speaker and pick somebody better.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Yeah, I fully agree.

[Andrew]

Yeah. The ball's in your court. We can't force you to do anything. But this is our point of view, and that's our first amendment right to say so. Caleb, great work, man. You're articulate, you're strong, you're morally clear, and, you know, you just are such a great representative for turning point students all across the country. And, you know, I'm sorry this is happening, but you're doing a great job. Continue on with the memorial in Charlie's honor, and we're grateful for you, man.

[Caleb Chilkut]

Thank you, boys. I really appreciate it.

[Andrew]

Yeah, absolutely. Godspeed, my friend. Yeah. Just a frustrating story all the way around immensely.

[Blake Neff]

And, yeah, we don't want to cancel it, but it's just we would have appreciated if you guys had. If the university had bothered to check what a person said about the most famous event to ever happen on their campus.

[Andrew]

I mean. I mean, again, I'm just gonna say it. I think they did. I think they did know. I think they probably did, and they did it anyways, which says a lot. All right. I'm so excited. The weather is finally warming up, which means grilling season is basically here. And sorry, if you live in a colder part of the country where I'm at, it's grilling season, and if you're anything like me, you're already thinking about planning your first backyard barbecue of the year. For me, I already know what's going on the grill, and that's good ranchers. Good Ranchers partners with local farmers and ranchers to deliver 100% American meat straight to your door. It's pasture raised, no antibiotics, and no added hormones. It's the kind of quality that you can actually feel good about serving other people around your table. And they just launched custom boxes. Now you can build your own box with the cuts your family loves steaks for grilling, chicken for weeknight dinners or whatever you reach for the most. Start your plan today and you'll get free meat included with every order. And with our Code Charlie, you'll get $25 off your first order. That's free meat with every order and $25 off your first order with Code Charlie. When you start your [e-mail] goodranchers.com American meat delivered I want to give a quick update here. So we have been working quietly behind the scenes. We gave you a little bit of a teaser a few weeks back that we were working on getting all of the catalog back catalog of the Charlie Kirk show back up on the RSS feed. So on the podcast that is officially done, it's been like rolling out a few episodes, like, at a time over the hours. So the entire catalog of the Charlie Kirk show is now back available. Now, let me just say it was very expensive, so please go check them out. Take advantage of it. Go listen to what Charlie has said throughout the years. Historically, we only kept up 100 episodes at a time. So as the next episode would come, the 101 episode, 101st episode would fall off the list. And so that's just how it's been set up on the back end of the system for years since we started the show. The first podcast was in May of 2019. It's always just been that way. So they're back up. You asked, we delivered. There was a lot of people that thought we were trying to erase Charlie or they claimed that we were. Of course, that wasn't true. We've got Charlie everywhere. We celebrate Charlie in every way, shape or form. I mean, he's on the back of the screen every day. So that was obviously a ridiculous claim, but it just took some doing and it is done. So go, please take advantage of that. Listen to all the episodes. And starting all the way back in 2019, if you want, you can hear the humble beginnings of Charlie and I sitting in a conference room in California with just a microphone and a zoom recorder getting our first episode up. And then I think the next one was Don Jr. Was our first guest. So some fun stuff to check out there. And then obviously throughout 2024 and some of our most famous episodes of the show, please check it out. We're grateful for your patience and, yeah, we hope you take advantage of it. Another thing I want to update you guys on is the fact that there is some fragile peace negotiations. Very fragile. JD Vance has gotten on the plane. Fragile, fragile. And then there is, of course, an update from Iranian Parliamentary speaker who's saying. The speaker of Iran's parliament says a ceasefire in Lebanon and release of blocked Iranian assets must occur before negotiations begin. Now, specifically, the Lebanon thing now is moving of the goalposts, because our position, the United States position, is that Lebanon was never included in the original ceasefire. That's Hezbollah. It should be a completely different organization. Israel is going after Hezbollah in the south of Lebanon. Iran is basically saying, those are our guys. Stop doing it or there's no negotiation that's going to happen. So very, very transparent that Hezbollah is the regime. Okay, first of all, the other thing, though, is this blocked assets. Right. That is another moving of the goalpost, which says to me that Iran feels that they have leverage in the negotiations. I think they could probably tell our domestic vibe is that we want to move on and get out of this place. And they're playing us on that front.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. They might either think that they can get extractions for the ceasefire or that they. It's possible they're banking that President Trump won't restart the war even if they set tough conditions.

[Andrew]

Correct.

[Blake Neff]

There's a variety of possibilities here. As always, we don't know the full story. We never know the full story with things this high level. So we just say, pray for peace.

[Andrew]

Yeah, pray for peace.

[Blake Neff]

Pray for peace.

[Andrew]

But I will say that Iran probably is assessing our domestic vibe on the war and understands that it would be a political win for President Trump to get out of Iran. I don't think that President Trump would hesitate to strike again. I don't think that at all. I think President Trump, if he feels like they're slapping him in the face, he would start striking again. That's my read on it. So I would say caution to the Iranians, don't overplay your hand. But I will say that the, you know, I'm looking at the. You know, the stock market is basically flat right now, but inflation did tick up. And that was. That was a new report that came out this morning, basically driven by energy prices. So the energy shock from prices going around $100 a barrel or higher will be felt for some time, and that will be felt at the domestic level, that'll be felt internationally. So the Strait of Hormuz continues to loom extremely large in the economic picture around the world and domestically and politically. So we do want this thing to wrap up. We want the straight back open. But Iran is gonna play the cards that they have to play, and this is one of them.

[Blake Neff]

It's a reminder of what we said, which is it is easier to start a war than to end it, because starting a war only requires one person's approval or one country's approval. Ending it does require two.

[Andrew]

Well, Trump has just gone on record saying that the results of the talks with Iran will be clear in about 24 hours. We're to know soon, Trump added. We have a reset going on. We're looking up the ships with the best ammunition, even at a higher level than we used to. Do a complete decimation. So again, he's not backing down. And I'm just telling you what I my read of the man is that if he feels like they're jerking him around, he's going to strike again. He's going to re exert the leverage that he has in this negotiation to get the best deal. And if he thinks that he has to start striking again, I don't think he'll hesitate to do it. I don't think he wants to. I think he'd love to claim victory and get out, but he's also not going to be played the fool either. So that's my read on it. All right.

[Blake Neff]

We got a lot of we asked for emails at the start how they what they make of the Trump versus the podcasters. True thing. And it's a pretty wide range of responses I want to say. I think mostly supportive of the president. That doesn't surprise me. And just different levels of response too. So for example, Debbie said, I wish the president would rise above the loudmouths. I believe they say things to get a Trumpian reaction like this one goading him. What gives them or anyone the impression they can say anything they want about anyone and not get a response. Trump feels the world is against him when all he's ever wanted to do is make America great again. It boggles the mind really. Another one says, though my husband and I feel you are running us are running cover for Trump. We are three time Trump voters and we're strong supporters. If he is not losing it, he is doing a good imitation of it. He, he is doing all of this while leading us into Democrat control, which is unconscionable.

[Andrew]

I'm actually curious about that. Send us emails. Do you actually buy any of this 25th amendment? Trump's losing it. He's not lucid. He's getting too old, whatever the criticism is. Do you in the audience believe that? Send us an email. Freedom charliekirk.com I don't believe it. I'll put my cards on the table.

[Blake Neff]

Says here's some food for thought I like all of Trump's policies and I am a supporter, but when Trump attacks someone, then that person takes it to heart and they escalate with counterattacks. I've always said if he, the president, would just shut up and ignore the radicals, he would be better off. The more he personally attacks them, the more they hate him back.

[Andrew]

That was Cernovich's take. He was like, he just should have said nothing. Who is this? Frank says 25th amendment talks ridiculous. That being said, I have noticed in the past year that he isn't quite as sharp as he has been in the past. Interesting take. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do, not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells. You and I, we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with preborn and she sees her baby and hears her baby's heartbeat, you will double the likelihood that she will choose life. And 100% of what you give goes to providing ultrasounds. 100% preborn. Separately. Fundraises for administrative costs. $280 can save 10 babies. $28 a month can save a baby a month all year long. And a $15,000 gift. I know there's some of you out there that can afford this $15,000 gift will provide a complete ultrasound machine that will save thousands of babies for years and years to come. Call 833-850-2229 or click on the Preborn Banner at charliekirk.com today. Again, that's 833-850-2229 or click on the Preborn Banner at CharlieKirk.com joining us in studio is Danny Phillip. To my left, there's the widescreen and Mikey McCoy to my right. It's been a minute and obviously we have Blake Neff. I wanna get to some of your emails here because I asked about the 25th Amendment, if you thought there was any credence to it. And resoundingly, this audience feels like that's garbage. Basically, you're like, trump's the goat. Trump is. What is it? Most folks don't understand the threat Trump is winning, the threat we face from China. Trump sacrificed and took a chance in Iran to solve two problems at once. And another gentleman was saying that this is from Tory, age 34, from Washington state. How do people not see the complete double standard applied to podcasters who are allowed to say all manner of falsehoods? But Trump writes one tweet and now he's the one acting crazy. I mean, you know, sometimes we ask questions and we get kind of a 50, 50. This is like, you know, complete. Trump is not losing it, basically. So that's interesting from your guys perspective. Okay, first question. This is our ask us anything hours, the final hour of the week. We got Natalie. Natalie, Natalie. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Please unmute yourself.

[Natalie]

All right, so I was on this show back in October of last year and I asked the question how a stay at home mom can get more involved. And Tyler went on to suggests getting involved at the local level, like a school board. My kids are public school. Fast forward to last month. I was approached by a well respected current school board member telling me I needed to run for school board. So my question is that my husband is reluctantly supportive. If this is a path I go down, how do I carry the weight and the burden of this role in the community, but also keep the peace in my home and my marriage?

[Andrew]

How many kids do you have?

[Natalie]

I have four boys and we're here in Arizona.

[Andrew]

Oh, wow. Four boys. Whoo. I love that. That sounds nice. See, if I could have had four and they would have all been, I love my girls, but, you know, that would be fun. All right, so that's a big question. And you know, every marriage is different. It sounds like at least your husband is being supportive, reluctantly so. But I think everything has to start with you and your husband making a decision together. So if. If you guys are not unified and aligned completely, then. Then I would say that that's the first thing that needs to get dealt with. Because I will tell you everything that I've been through in the last seven months after what happened with Charlie. If. If my marriage wasn't good, if my family wasn't good, I wouldn't have been able to do any of it. I mean, it is your refuge. It's your source of strength. It's the place that you go to and you have peace. When the world around you is chaotic and when people are hurling accusations and insults at you. You need your home front to be just completely secure. So that's what I would say. Start there. And once that's good, you guys can do whatever you want and accomplish whatever you want. But I commend your heart for wanting to be involved and to be a source for good change. Anybody else have thoughts on this?

[Blake Neff]

I don't know. You've got a family.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, no, I remember. So my dad ran for city council. He was a pastor.

[Andrew]

So he ran for mayor, too?

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, no, no. Well, the city council in Thousand Oaks, you take turns being mayor once you're elected to city council. But what had happened was, is he was a pastor and he ran for politics. So he said the two things you don't talk about at dinner parties are, you know, your faith or politics. He goes, so I wasn't invited to any dinner parties because I was both those. But I remember during COVID he decided to keep his church open against city. City commands, basically. And he was outside of the law that he had basically sat on the city council to enforce. And I remember him the night before, sitting up super late with my mom, and he was like, if I do this, if I keep the church open, I could go to jail. I'm gonna have to step down from being mayor. I might go to jail. All these things. He goes, so should I do it? And because my mom and dad had so often talked about these things and just always over communicated and were always on the same page, my mom looked at him and she said, why is this even a question? I didn't marry a coward. This is a true story. And my dad is like, you're right. And that is like, that's the beauty of over communicating in a marriage and the beauty of being on the same page. Because when you're mission oriented and on the same mission as a couple, nothing can stop you.

[Andrew]

I agree. It's God's design. It's the foundational building block of society for a reason. Because everything starts at the home. So that's. You know, there's a thousand political questions that we could get into about how to do it or how to run. But the truth is, if you and your husband are good and you share the same vision and mission, you guys are gonna. You guys are gonna be able to accomplish so much together. And I wouldn't worry about all the particulars at this point. Just worry, worry if you and your husband are good. Is that good?

[Natalie]

Thank you guys so much.

[Andrew]

Absolutely. All right, what's our next question here? We got Anthony. Anthony, he's back.

[Anthony]

Thanks, Blake. Well, hi, guys.

[Andrew]

Hey.

[Anthony]

So I. It's kind of. I have a reply to the 25th Amendment, and then I have a question for Blake, only Blake.

[Andrew]

Oh, boy.

[Anthony]

So the whole 25th Amendment thing is. And Andrew, you touched on it in the earlier session. Nobody really understands it they just think, oh, he's a whack job. He's a wacko. We got a 25th amendment. People are just saying things, but because they don't understand things. And I think with the, you know, Alex Jones, Tucker and all them, they're looking for clicks, they're looking for clickbait, they're looking for engagement. And, you know, they're just going to want to start stir to pot. Like we see what the left does and Democrats, because I'm seeing it in my own area that Joe Morelli is my congressman. People are protesting outside his 25th, making him 25th Amendment, Trump or end the war in Iran. But, like, nobody really understands why it's in there. And you did a really good job explaining it. And I know Blake has as well in the past and Charlie did as well. Biden was somebody that really should have been 25th Amendment because his health was not good. And they never did it. So for them to use it now. Okay, why don't we do that? When George Bush was president, when we went to Iraq, we should have 25th amendment.

[Mick]

Him.

[Anthony]

He kept us in that long war. You know, think about that. Why didn't anybody bring it up? He was the last Republican president before Trump.

[Andrew]

Yeah, fair, Fair question.

[Blake Neff]

Ultimately, ultimately, when people bring up the 25th amendment thing for a case other than Biden, where there really was serious evidence that guy was not aware of what was going on, they're basically saying they don't. They don't like that we have a republic that elects the president. Okay, well, that, that's a take. It's a. It's a popular take. The government they have in major countries, they don't have elections. They don't elect their leaders. If you want to have that approach, go for it. But that's not the country we have in America. That's not the system we've used in America for 250 years this year. And I wish people would be a little more honest about this. Just say, I think D.C. is better than the rest of the country, and I think they should just be allowed to throw out the president when they feel that he is bad.

[Anthony]

Okay, like an eviction notice for an apartment. Like, let's evict him from the White House. Like an eviction. Those for an apartment. You don't pay rent.

[Andrew]

Oh, man.

[Anthony]

So my question now, this is a fun one. I'm gonna pull a Charlie on you, Blake. And you know how Charlie would ask you, okay, go read this book and come back and tell me.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anthony]

So I know. Okay. So I know you're kind of a sports fan. So this is Masters week, and this is a big week in the country.

[Andrew]

Golf fan.

[Anthony]

Oh, this is gonna be perfect. Now you gotta tell me. Look it up and research it. What the Crow's Nest is at Augusta national and why it is one of the biggest traditions there is for this tournament.

[Blake Neff]

This is a cooler question before. I'd probably just. Now you just go ask freaking Claw.

[Andrew]

I don't know this. And I love the Masters. The Masters.

[Anthony]

You need to look it up. And, Danny, you can't help them.

[Andrew]

Blake, what is the Crow's Nest?

[Blake Neff]

The Crow's Nest is. It's the third floor of the Augusta national clubhouse, and it's where the amateur golfers stay. They always have five amateur players at the Masters. I also. I dove down because I had to find out the best ones ever finished is second at the Masters, a guy finished one stroke behind Gary Player back in the 60s.

[Andrew]

Wow, that'd be.

[Blake Neff]

It'd be really cool if an amateur one. Although I guess it'd be. It'd be a little lame. They wouldn't get the prize money, but they'd be so famous anyway. But that's. It's a. It's good for me to learn because my knowledge of golf is mostly restricted to Happy Gilmore.

[Kyrie Irving]

Apparently.

[Blake Neff]

The gold jacket isn't real. That's not a real tournament. I'm really.

[Andrew]

The green jacket is very.

[Blake Neff]

Green jacket is very real. But they don't let you take the jacket. You store it at Augusta, but then you wear it. Well, you wear it for a year. I think you get it for a year.

[Andrew]

And then they do like. They do a dinner, the beginning of the tournament where all the old winners come back and they get to wear their jacket.

[Blake Neff]

Well, the winner from the year before picks the menu. You could have, like, a really psychopath golfer just pick, like, a terrible jellied fish.

[Andrew]

Oh, gosh.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Jelly.

[Mikey McCoy]

Jelly.

[Andrew]

All right, next question. Who's up? We got Kyrie. Kyrie, welcome to the show. Like Kyrie Irvin. Yeah, Irving, I'm here.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

Can you hear me?

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Kyrie Irving]

Yes, we can.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

Oh, wow. Okay. This is my first time to do this, and I'm. I have tried before, and it hasn't worked. So maybe I've got it figured out.

[Andrew]

Good.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

First, I just say it is such an honor to be speaking with you all. I think y' all have all done a fabulous job since Charlie was taken, and I'm so, so thankful for each of you. I pray for you all by name. Anyone whose name I have heard mentioned on the show or his I know is one of the staff. I keep a little list and I try to pray for you all regularly. Thank you so much.

[Blake Neff]

And we love getting your emails. I see you in the, in the inbox quite a lot.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

Oh, yeah. I hope I don't pester y' all too much.

[Blake Neff]

Don't worry about it.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

My, my question is. Well, I kind of have a two part question. One is related to what I just said and that is if, if any, I know you all have a much bigger staff than I'm aware of. So anyone that would be comfortable, I don't know about privacy issues and everything, sharing their name. If I could get like an email of just kind of like the Charlie Kirk show staff Turning Point staff Turning point action. But I would love to have more names of all you guys to pray for. So that's one thing. Anybody that feels comfortable, I'd love that. My other question is more trivial, but it's still kind of something I've been curious about. Charlie, I think would allow himself mint chocolate chip ice cream on the 4th of July and on his birthday. Is that correct?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Although he didn't do it last year.

[Andrew]

You know, it's interesting is he like, he had these little cheat days every, every so often. Very rarely. But I remember one day he was eating like chicken wings, like the best was like a big deal.

[Blake Neff]

The wings at the rnc, that was the best one. And he got a cartoonishly vast amount of them, like several hundred, I think he had. I was the one that ordered it. Yeah, I think he ended up having four or something.

[Andrew]

This is actually, this is actually something worth talking about because, you know, you know this too. Danny, you probably know this. We've probably all had our experience, but going to dinner with Charlie was an experience. So you'd sit down at a restaurant, usually there was like a work thing or whatever. So you have this like a kind of high powered person that you're sitting there meeting. And then Charlie would take the menu and the waiter would come or the waitress would come and he would go, all right. He would just take control of the entire.

[Mikey McCoy]

As soon as they came to be like, do you want any drinks?

[Andrew]

And he'd be like, Charlie. So I want this. We want this. Let's get two of those, huh? Those are great. You're gonna love those, Andrew, you're gonna love those. Three of these. Can we get the steak? And I'm gonna get the steak. Just broccolini. A little bit of olive oil. And. No, he would order so much stuff,

[Mikey McCoy]

and then he would eat it all.

[Andrew]

The table would just be, like, filled, and you could. It's like Charlie. Charlie just didn't want to wait for everybody to be polite and all that stuff. So he would just, like, take control and just order everything.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. The chicken wings he had a few nights of the year, the night of our gala or winter gala. Every single night, he would have chicken wings from Flanagan's in Palm Beach.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Had to be from Flanagan. RNC was the big. The big chicken wing dump. I remember that night.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

He did mint chocolate ice cream on 4th, July and his birthday. Although this last year, he didn't do it because he was like, I can't, I can't. I don't want to add the weight. But I did see him at Tutti Santi back in. I think this is in August. We had dinner with Frank Turek, and they brought out a cheesecake, and the server forced Charlie take a bite, and he took a bite of the cheesecake.

[Andrew]

Oh, I actually, he told me about this.

[Mikey McCoy]

He's like, I can't believe he made me do that.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, that's a part of the question. But what I also love about his eating habits, as you say, he was a very kind of aggressive fast eater most of the time. And I remember when we were in Korea, they kept having extremely slow meals.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And it was driving him batty. Like, we were at that hotel, and

[Mikey McCoy]

he didn't eat any.

[Andrew]

It was so.

[Blake Neff]

It was like a. It was a Chinese restaurant, I believe. But it was one of those. We bring out one course at a time, and it's really tiny. You have to push it to push

[Mikey McCoy]

a button for them to come get them.

[Blake Neff]

He was. He was. It was like twitching. He was just so. I can't. It was taking so long.

[Mikey McCoy]

That one of my favorite stories, though, and this just speaks to the President and who he is, is the day of the Medal of Freedom at the White House when the President honored Charlie and gave him the Medal of Freedom. Erica had talked in her speech about how Charlie would have mint chocolate ice cream on his birthday and on the 4th of July every year and how she's going to miss those traditions. And so that night, when everybody was kind of leaving the White House, somebody came up and said, you know, the President's requesting that Erica and her family kind of go to this side room. And so she went to the side room. I was there, and we're like, do we know what Are we in here for. And out of nowhere, JD Walks in with a bunch of servers bringing mint chocolate ice cream in the White House. And I just thought that was so sweet. Like, the President heard that, he took note of it and he made sure that, you know, she was amazed.

[Kyrie Irving]

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[Andrew]

we have Elizabeth. Elizabeth, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Natalie]

Hi.

[Kyrie Irving (continued)]

How are you guys doing?

[Andrew]

There you are.

[David]

Hi.

[Andrew]

We're doing well, thank you. How are you? Good, thank you. Just a quick question or something that I saw. Marie Salazar seat is not on a primary ballot until June and I understand there is still time to primary her. Do you know anyone? Blake, what's the details on that?

[Blake Neff]

So I don't know if anyone can primary her. So for those wondering, we're mad at Salazar. She is the congresswoman from Florida, Dignity Dad Republican who's pushing the Dignidad act, which she says is not an amnesty, it's an amnesty and we're very annoyed with that. We had Congressman Gill on yesterday calling that out. It's very shameful what they are trying to do, I think. So the answer definitely someone can primary her. Florida, I like this. They have their primary date quite late. This is one of my pet peeves with American politics is our election seasons are too long. Prime. Their Florida primary is not until August and as a result candidates can still register for a House race all the way until mid June. So it is entirely possible that we could have someone challenge her. Now, full disclosure, I believe President Trump has endorsed Salazar already.

[Andrew]

That was pre dignidad, though.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, true. But President Trump, you know, I don't

[Andrew]

know that he needs his endorsements much, but there is somebody in Florida right now that you guys want us to see us get behind. Send their names. Freedom. Charliekirk.com if you are in that area, what district is she in?

[Blake Neff]

She's in the 27th district. That is South Miami.

[Andrew]

South Miami. So if you guys in that Miami area are watching and you have people in mind, send their names. We'll send them straight over to our Turning Point action team to vet and see if, see if there's somebody that we can draft into this race last minute and take out an amnesty person, a pro border, open border person. I got like zero patience for this, by the way. Americans are sick of their country being a dumping ground. We're sick of it getting looted and taken advantage of. We want dignity in The American dream for Americans. And there's zero patience for this. This is why, like I'll reiterate my point earlier. The Polling says it's 50 to 53% positive on mass deportations. The polling says it's 75% positive on worst of the worst. Why are those two numbers are not the same? Your base has to get out in a midterm. Midterms are turnout elections. You do not get nearly the enthusiasm for worst of the worst as you do for mass deportations. The base is enthusiastic about mass deportations. That's what President Trump ran on. That's what got him into office. In large part. We want mass deportations. If you want enthusiasm, if you want turnout, give us what we want. That's mass deportations. Salazar is on the wrong side of history, sadly for her. Okay, next question.

[Blake Neff]

We have Kelsey. I think we have to read this one. All right, so we have regular listeners of the show back when Charlie was still with us know that Charlie was a huge reader. If my memory serves correctly, on one podcast episode, Charlie mentioned Walter Isaacson's biography of Elon Musk and how impactful that book was for him and how he studied it because he recognized that we should study the lives of great people. My question is, and I recognize that it is early and these things take time. Can or when would we expect an in depth biography of Charlie? One that gives great insights into both his business and his personal elements of who Charlie was? He was a great man, and I think that his life deserves to be studied.

[Andrew]

Well, I don't know. On the book front, I will say there's a number of books that have come out already or have been announced about Charlie's life. Not all of them are sanctioned by us, certainly. I will say, though, on the documentary front, Turning Point is working on one right now, and they've been flying around the country interviewing people that knew Charlie. Some of us have been interviewed for it, and that's in the works, and the team's working really hard on it. There's another documentary that we're participating in that's also, I think, going to be very, very important and good. I think that's a. That one's, I think, going to be a theatrical release. So there are at least documentaries that we're involved in that are. That are coming up.

[Kyrie Irving]

But I think.

[Blake Neff]

I think Kelsey's question is smart, which is there is something you can get from a detailed biography. What you'd want is, thankfully a. You know, a ton of people knew Charlie, a ton of People have stories about them. You'd really need. You need to put in the legwork of. You'd have to interview everyone involved with Turning Point. People in the admin who could talk about the influence he had. There's so many story, obviously supporters, Turning Point.

[Andrew]

Charlie did love Walter Isaacson. Yeah, he would be a great option thinking that Walter Isaacson, if you. I just saw a clip of him this morning actually explaining the whole chat GPT the Open AI lawsuit. Charlie loved him. Well, so Elon and Sam Altman are in a big lawsuit in Oakland about how OpenAI started as a nonprofit. Elon Musk and Sam Altman actually worked together on that to keep it open, to keep it a gesture of goodwill to humanity. That AI would be sort of a tool for good. They transitioned it to a for profit at some point and now it's worth like almost a trillion dollars. So there he. So Elon is suing Open AI because, you know, basically he lost some of that money. It was, it was rolled over into a for profit. That's a big thing. So why. I saw a clip on Walter Isaacson talking about that, about how angry Elon could get. Anyways, Walter Isaacson, if you want to do a biography on Charlie, we should talk. Oh yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Charlie loved him.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Loved that book.

[Mikey McCoy]

Loved that book.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So it's a great question. Yeah, it is.

[Blake Neff]

I think it'd be. There'd be a lot to that. There's so many people he. He was in. One of the things we point out is Charlie's effectiveness wasn't that he was the best in the world at any one thing. It's that he was so good in so many domains as an organizer, as an advocate, as a Christian, as a policy guy. So you have so many sectors to draw on and I think that's what you'd especially be able to get if you could get a lot of buy in from people who knew him well.

[Andrew]

So that's a very good.

[Blake Neff]

Mick.

[Andrew]

Mick, welcome to the show. Unmute yourself, please.

[Mick]

Hey guys, how are you?

[Andrew]

We're doing great. Mick, how about yourself?

[Mick]

Great. Good to hear from you guys again. Andrew, I had a question specific from you. You got your start with Charlie when you had your communications company, is that correct?

[Andrew]

Approximately, directionally true.

[Mick]

Okay, so I wanted to ask you, how do you get into that communications world? I don't have a college degree or anything, but that's something that interests me and specifically in the political sphere. So would you have any advice for someone like me that's looking to get into that space?

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's a great question. Listen, I fell into it by accident. So I was actually living in la, I was working in Hollywood and I was actually working with Mark Burnett and Roma Downey, the producers, Hollywood producers. And we started launching TV shows and I got kind of wrapped into the comms world doing that. So we were launching. They had all the faith programming, like the Bible and 80 the Bible continues and Ben Hur and all that stuff. So I working in promotions and we'd go from CNN and Jake Tapper to Fox to a church to the Christian Post. So we just kind of built up a big Rolodex of reporters launching those shows. And that kind of became another company that was a communications PR company. And eventually I got to work with Charlie through that and then set up my own company so I could be more focused on Turning Point stuff and a few other clients. But it was Charlie. If you've ever worked with Charlie, you realize how much time he would kind of dominate for you. So it just kind of one thing to the other. It was not intentional, I can tell you. Actually, I remember being in college thinking that the worst job possible would be PR and communications because you're just never able to take a break. I'm not sure that, that I still agree with that early notion of mine in college. But there is truism to it that when you're in this business, you're constantly on because the news never stops. That is a struggle with it. But I would say as far as advice, advice would be find a comm shop that you like, the work that they're doing, the clients that they have. I don't know how old you are, Mick, but my advice for all people trying to break into an industry is just make yourself easy to work with. Make yourself accessible, make yourself a free, affordable meaning. If you could do an internship for six months, just say, I will work for free for six months. I just want to prove my worth and I want to work harder than anybody else. And I'm here, I'm at your disposal, I'll do whatever you want. I'll get coffee, I'll go on runs, I'll pick up your dry cleaning, I'll do whatever you want. I just want to work with you and I want to prove my value. And that's the other thing. If you just provide value to people, they're going to want to keep you around. That's what I would say. Go do your research and then reach out, see if you can get grab a coffee and work for Free. That's my advice. Does that sound good, Mick?

[Mick]

Yes, it does. Thank you so much, Andrew.

[Andrew]

Yeah, absolutely. All right, good. Good luck, Mick. There's a lot of comm shops out there that could use good people. Really. All right, what's our next question?

[Blake Neff]

We got David.

[Andrew]

David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. What's your question?

[David]

Thank you, guys. You guys did a great job, by the way.

[Andrew]

Thank you, David.

[David]

Appreciate all the work that's being done. But I do have some concerns, though. Like, you saw my question there. I don't know what the plan is right now. I may have missed, but we sorely miss Charlie Kirk out here, especially in California. He's making a big difference out here with some of the college kids. And I just keep. I'm hoping that somebody can take his place and really get out to these kids because they're just so clueless and they're so misinformed and uneducated. Even with my own two kids who were in college, they. They had, like, no idea. They're like, they're like, against Israel for some reason. We can't figure out why. My wife and I. And they're just like, they had no idea what Israel has gone through over the years, how they've been attacked and oppressed and everything. And all they do is see Israel as a. They're just causing mass genocide or whatever, and they don't understand what's really happening here. Same with all of that. I just watch Fox News and listen to how these guys go on the beach to ask about Iran, these college kids, and they're clueless. They're like, who's. Who's Ayatollah? What is that all about? Anything. And I just throw down messages getting lost.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, so, David, I mean, one of the things that people have to understand about what Charlie was able to do, and I think it sounds like you do understand it, is he would have these debates and then the clips would go viral. So. And we're talking, you know, we calculated it was billions of views. And so it's really, if not impossible, it's darn near impossible to replace something like that. And we have to be honest about that. Okay, now we are doing little known. We are embarking upon the most aggressive, robust tour season in Turning Point history. And that's the pick up the mic event. So we have a bunch of people that are participating in those. Blake did one, as a matter of fact, and we're putting those on social media. A lot of people are seeing the clips. They're going viral. As well, not in the same way, because it's not Charlie, but they are having a massive impact and we've got lots of people that have volunteered to do those events and all across the country, at college campuses all across the country. So that's one thing you need to know about. And we're also doing Make Heaven Crowded. But in general, turning point is doing more tour stops than we have ever, ever done in a single semester. And that's going to continue into the fall. So I want you to know that we are still doing that work and we're trying to pick up the mantle, pick up the mic, if you will. But when it comes to ISRA and Blake, I know you have some thoughts here. There's a lot of voices that are driving that and your kids are watching it on social media, they're hearing about it on campus. And if you look at the polling under what, like 40, under maybe even 50, Israel's underwater in a massive way.

[Blake Neff]

It's somewhat dark to think about because a lot of this shift, it did begin with 10 7, which was October 7, which was a very heinous terrorist attack basically out of nowhere, while in an area that was peaceful and getting better. And that was always, when I would talk with Charlie about it, we'd emphasize that point. This was an area where there wasn't a lot of war going on, where there were more opportunities for Palestinians. They were being allowed actually to go in to Israel as guest workers, make more money that way. And Hamas didn't like that, that progress was being made there. And so they smashed it to pieces. They had people go in on paragliders, massacre a concert massacre, people in kibbutzim. And yet in the wake of that, it's that there's this big picture ideology that drives a lot of this and it's sort of this valorization of victimhood, valorization of helplessness. What Hamas did is they started a massive war knowing they were hugely outmatched and then they drag it out forever without surrendering, without giving back hostages. And you end up in this situation where they can't win, so they're going to get the crap beat out of them. But then people feel bad for them because it is a one sided conflict overall. And I think in modern TikTok driven politics, social media driven politics, very visual politics, it's been very bad for them, it's been very tough for them to make the case. And I will say, unfortunately, I don't think it's going to get better in the near future because we Talk to young people. The war, the war with Iran is just not popular. And the perception is accurate, frankly, that Israel did want this conflict. They lobbied the President to pursue it. That doesn't mean they dog walked him into it. That doesn't mean they blackmailed him into it. But they argued in favor of a conflict that for young people, we just know is not popular. They think it's a distraction from what they voted for.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, And I would say, I would love your input on this if you have some.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, yeah, I was just going to say the misconception that young people are clueless, I just push back on a little bit because we don't think this way for no reason.

[Anthony]

We.

[Mikey McCoy]

We don't question Israel for no reason. We're not fatigued with foreign policy for no reason. This didn't just kind of come out of the ether, and we just decided to believe it. From the time we were born to today, there's been a conflict in the Middle East. From the time we were born to today, with 9, 11, and so on, there's been a war in the Middle east that has involved us and Israel. Okay. And then from the time we've been born to today, we've seen American troops die in the Middle east, we've seen families lose loved ones in the Middle east, we've seen billions of dollars go to the Middle East. And so now, as young people, it's not just singular, singularly Israel, it's foreign policy as a whole. We're tired of seeing government money go elsewhere when we may not even have an economic future for ourselves. And, I mean, you can look at all these charts of, like, how much of the actual economy is owned by the older generations and how much of it is going to end up being owned by young people. And the charts are crazy. What is it, Danny? It's like 60% of the economy is owned by boomers and love boomers. But look, something has to change, and if it doesn't, don't be shocked when young people have radical views that may not fit your norm.

[Blake Neff]

And that does play a role in it, which is the pro Israel sentiment was a lot stronger in the GOP for a long time. And I think sometimes this was when people disagreed with it. This was asserted pretty aggressively on people. And I think there's still attempts to do that, and there's just not the level of coalitional unity on that to do that anymore.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you have to.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie was aware of this. Charlie. Charlie sent a letter to Netanyahu, as we know, basically, saying PR for people who support Israel is not very good. There needs to be a change of tactics. You need to make the case better than has been done.

[Andrew]

And I would just say I'll finish the point with this that Charlie rejected anti Semitism, scapegoating Israel and Jews. There's no, there should be no place in polite society for that, really and truly. It's a road to nowhere. It leads to destruction, brain rot. But questioning foreign policy? Different topic.

[Blake Neff]

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