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We're doing great. It's. It's probably the last day before Phoenix becomes an oven for four months or so. But it's mid May. We made it pretty far.
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And it's raining. It's raining in D.C. this morning, which was an abrupt change. You said it was raining in Phoenix yesterday, which was untrue. We got lots to get to. We got lots to get to. What a night it was. Indeed. And it's time to celebrate the grassroots. It's time to celebrate the base conservatives that turned out and sent a very loud message across the country to rino betrayal Republicans all over the country. If you betray your base, if you do not do what the voters want you to do, guess what? There will be consequences. And there's a lot of storylines going around about what this means and what it doesn't mean. I think most of them are missing the really big obvious point here, but whatever, we're gonna get to that in just a second. So throw up 141 is a huge congratulations to Blake Feitcher, Jeff Ellington, Michelle Davis, Jay Starkey, Trevor DeVries, Dr. Brian Schmoltzer, and Tracy Powell. They are Turning Point Action endorsed candidates that have won their elections. And yes, we do have Brett just about to join us. So they won over their incumbents. Obviously, the incumbents refused to do the redistricting and voters didn't like that so much. And so Turning Point Action was on the ground in Indiana, working hard and door knocking, canvassing, getting out the vote. Here to help us explain what went down and why it happened is Brett Galashevsky. He's our National Enterprise Director at Turning Point Action. Brett, welcome back to the show, my friend.
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Hey, Andrew. Hey, Blake. Thanks for having me on. We get to celebrate a little bit this morning.
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Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so Brett, we are. Tell us exactly where we're at right now because there's a little bit in flux. We had endorsed nine candidates at Turning Point Action. We now can confirm seven of the nine got over the finish line. One is. Was a loss, a narrow loss, but one is tbd. So walk us through what we know and what the status is.
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Yeah, absolutely. So exactly like you said, Andrew, we endorsed or were heavily involved in nine total ra. We know that we have seven for sure. The one that we're waiting on right now is a woman that we endorse named Paula Copenhaver. This is in Senate District 23. This is where Purdue University is. This is a big part of kind of east central Indiana, just north of the Indianapolis suburbs. Right now, as it stands, our endorsed candidate lost by three votes. However, we believe that there's enough outstanding provisional ballots in the ethereum for us to be able to compete, especially after an automatic machine in hand recount. So three votes right now as it stands.
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Three. So. So not 300, not 3,000. Three. Three votes. Okay, go ahead.
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So if you guys would have told me and think about it, like, if you think some of the activists that were involved in that effort or some of the people that maybe had a big impact on the race would have known ahead of time that this race was going to be decided by three votes, that they would have gone into it with a little bit different of a mindset. Of course they would have. So that's really the message that the grassroots should really take out of that effort, is these races really come down to every single door and every single nook and cranny of the district. Take this race, learn from it, nationally speaking. But we think that we can run through the tape here over the next couple days, especially after the recount hopefully goes in our favor. So if that happens, if guys, that's eight of nine races that's basically running the table. That's the ultimate accountability blast that we were hoping to get out of this.
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So I talked to with Tyler Boyer early in the day yesterday, and I said, okay, Tyler, define what you guys want as success. What would you be happy with? He's like, listen, if we got four out of eight, like, pretty solid. Okay. Like, that shows that we've made a huge dent. He's like, five out of eight. We're in massive success stories. Six out of eight were ecstatic this morning. We got seven out of. We say eight or nine. There's one one we endorse or worked in but didn't endorse, but it's fine. So if we got seven wins, then that. This is like, crazy. It's a shot across the bow heard around the world. It really is a big, big moment in conservative politics. So two questions here, and it doesn't matter how you answer them, but one, what are the consequences politically, in a sense that what can we now get accomplished when it comes to redistricting and win in the state of Indiana? And two, what do you think the lesson is for establishment Republicans?
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Yeah, I think the message for establishment Republicans is that for the first time, you're really starting to see some kind of on the ground effort pair up with the accountability measures that we have in place at major organizations like Turning Point Action. I kind of joked before yesterday that I said, you know, hey, if we get seven, seven out of nine, this is going to be talked about in political science textbooks for decades to come. It's the ultimate accountability blast. You know, Trump says it, you know, himself fafo that that's kind of what we were able to do. I say that tongue in cheek, but that's really what we were able to do in Indiana. So on a macro level, I really think that this sends a big signal to the rest of the conservative movement that the Overton window is shifting significantly to the right. And if you're an establishment Republican that is refusing to adapt to the new brand of conservatism or just refusing to really stand up and fight for our president, that's really what it came down to in Indiana, a state filled with MAGA conservatives ran by Republican MAGA haters, that you are going to be left behind, that there will be an effort putting boots on the ground and maximum money and resources in place to protect the MAGA movement. So specifically in Indiana, just to kind of wrap up the answer to that question, Andrew, the Indiana Senate, as it stands right now, has 40 Republicans and 10 Democrats. We couldn't even get 18 Republicans to vote in favor of the 90 redistricting map. So we have a fresh opportunity now. To try that again. We, with some reinforcements, some really conservative reinforcements that love President Trump and understand the broader scale of things now in there in the state legislature. So we will leave no stone unturned when it comes to a redo in Indiana.
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That's amazing. Blake, you often, and we both do, but you specifically about how deep red states are not conservative enough. What do you think this means to the future of the Republican Party?
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Well, we also say every bit of progress is happening one candidate at a time that people have been around a long time, generally are more frustrating, they're more embedded. We've also talked about the need to just take a big, take a national, take a statewide view of your state, because we've been frustrated. When Charlie was campaigning in Nebraska a couple years ago, he complained about it so much, how they're all very fixated on their Nebraska rivalries, their beefs with other members of their party. And I think we saw a similar thing in Indiana. There's all these dramas, all, all these personality clashes that none of us are familiar with, none of us want to be familiar with. And most voters don't either. What they want is lawmakers who are gonna deliver what they care about. And, you know, we debated whether it was smart to do the whole, you know, start the redistricting fight. But this is a good example where once it happened, once Democrats were responding to it on their end, you just had a moral obligation to get aboard. Otherwise, it was just, it was quitting on your team. Voters don't want Republicans who quit on the team, period.
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Yeah. And I think there's a lot of these deep red states that are filled with MAGA hating politicians. And we've been overlooking this problem in the movement for too long, and that just changed. And so a huge shout out to Tim Saylor, who's running data for Team Trump, James Blair, and of course, our Turning Point action team on the ground that was doing so much canvassing. A lot of victory to go around here. And so we love spreading it out. All right, Brett, I wanna break this down, this concept of, let's just take Indiana as an example. But you could look at Oklahoma, you could look at South Dakota, you could look at all of the South Carolina, these deep red states that sometimes feel like we're not getting deep red conservatives out of those states or deep red policies in those states. Explain why what happened last night could be a pun intended, turning point for, for the conservative movement more broadly.
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Yeah, absolutely. I think that right now you're seeing in a lot of these states like you had mentioned, complacency. And I think we believe at Turning Point Action, this was something that Charlie had always instilled in us at TPA and all of our staff members, that when you are complacent, you lose. The movement is changing. I said this in the last segment. The Overton window is shifting further to the right. And we have a generational opportunity to really double down on our commitment to the conservative movement by not just focusing on the 10 or 12 swing states that we're already involved in that are going to be at the forefront of the effort every election cycle, but those deep red states where we can rack the score up in and really allow for super conservative policies to come up to the surface. I'll put it to you this way. I don't have a problem with leftist states that going hard in the paint in states that they have massive control of. Take California, for instance. You know, take, you know, obviously what happened in Virginia. The big caveat, the big if there is. If super red states like Indiana, like Alabama, which we'll see some movement there, also do the same thing. You have to win these little redistricting battles. There's so much at stake.
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Yeah. And I just think there's a lot of old blood that has to get purged and filtered out. As Blake said, it's. It's election by election, race by race. We see this at the US Senate, we see it sometimes in the House. Maybe not as aggressively or as quickly as any of us would want, but that's the way democracy, constitutional republic works is these changes happen slowly. The whole form of government is actually designed to repel violent shifts in politics and the political passions of the people. So if something is worthwhile, and I believe that conservative populism, nationalism is worthwhile, it's going to take cycle after cycle to start doing this on the state level, though, is something that we have not focused on nationally as a conservative movement. And it feels like this was a huge, huge breakthrough for the movement to show that it can be done. And by the way, did you guys see the Indy star was trying to say, like it wasn't going to work out. And you know, what are they going to do when. What's Turning point going to do after we lose all these races tomorrow? So people were trying to make us a boogeyman. They were trying to make us set us up for failure. That did not happen. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite. All right, Blake, Brett, this is to you. So David Axelrod basically said, this is why good Republicans don't fight Trump. They're too afraid of Trump. And I think that is the exact wrong lesson to glean from what happened last night in Indiana. This felt like it had less to do with Trump and, and more to do about the sense of betrayal that average conservatives feel when they're voting for their elected leaders. Do you agree or disagree with my take, Blake? I'll throw it to you 100%.
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I mean, they've gotten used to a lot of frustrations with elected leaders. And this is, it becomes a, this is a symbolic thing and it's also a thing that just stood out. Was it them pitted against Trump?
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But the reason they were, this was successful was Trump was able to come President Trump was able to come out and say, this is a way to improve our chances of keeping the House. This is a way for us to improve our chances of having longer term success on the border, on DEI, on everything I campaigned on in 2024, if you do this, it will help achieve the things that you are voting on. And they just looked at it and said, we don't want to do it. And they didn't have a strong argument for that. They didn't have a good case for it. And on top of that, they tried to verbally spar with the president. And I think we all know once people start verbally sparring with the president, it makes people mad. They end up bashing their voters, they end up bashing his supporters. Well, most Republicans support the Republican president. And so they just, they big clown themselves over and over. And it's unfortunate we've seen this happen over and over, over the past decade where there are these Republicans who posture themselves as the anti Trump faction. And we've seen the pattern play out over and over again that eventually these people just become Democrats, they become liberals, they start hating on the cause that they were supposedly champions of. And people have noticed this trend and they think, why do we want these guys around? They seem to not have our interests at heart. They seem to not like us. They seem to be taking us for a ride.
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Well, and to Blake's point, there's, there's two parts to being a conservative activist. There's knocking doors and putting in the work, chasing votes until your knuckles bleed. That's super important. But then there's the second part to being a conservative activist. And I would argue this is the more important of the two. Holding our conservative elected officials accountable. And if anything from last night can be proven, it's that there is a formula now in place. We made a commitment to Indiana. We made a promise on December 5 that we were going to follow through on primary ing out these Republican senators that refuted, refused to stand with the president. We loved working with the Trump team on that. They really captained the ship. But now we showed that at least at Turning Point Action, we can replicate this all over the country. That at any moment's notice, at the drop of a hat, we can bring in dozens of field staff from around the country who understand what chasing votes, electioneering and providing a dose of accountability looks like. Today is a great day for the conservative movement when you think of it in that or through that lens.
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Well, and in our final 30 seconds, I just want to say congratulations, Brett, to you and the team you guys mobilized. You kicked into gear. You got bodies in the field, you got staff that knew what they were doing, that have been trained in this system now for years. And they worked with local activists and they got to work knocking doors, working with volunteer groups and local groups and man, what a difference it made. This is a big moment and I think it will mark a huge shift in the future of the conservative movement across the country. Congratulations, Brett. And the Turning Point Action Team America is entering its 250th year and the direction of this country is being decided right now. In our culture and our economy and who we choose to support matters more than ever. Most wireless companies don't care who you are or what you believe. They just want your money. Patriot Mobile is different. For more than 12 years, they've stood with Americans who believe freedom is worth fighting for, funding the Christian conservative movement. When others stand stayed silent. And here's the deal. You don't have to give up quality or service when you switch to Patriot Mobile. They deliver premium priority access on all three major U.S. networks. So you'll get the same or better coverage than you have today. Think switching is a hassle? It isn't. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Their 100%. US based support team can activate you in just minutes. Still paying off a device, Patriot Mobile even offers a contract buyout. This is a defining year. We got to work together to save our country. So go to patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972-patriot and use the promo code Charlie for a free month of service. That's patriot mobile.com Charlie or call them at 972-patriot using the promo code Charlie and switch today. All right. Welcoming back to the show. It's been a bit of a hiatus. And back by popular demand is Kurt Schlichter. He's a senior columnist@townhall.com and he's the author of the Kelly Turnbull series, the newest, the Attack. So he does a lot of things a renaissance man and he's an avid poster on X. Kurt, welcome back to the show, my friend.
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Well, thanks for having me. By popular demand, huh? Usually the popular demand. Oh, yeah.
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Wow. So
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we'll see by the end of the segment.
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Yeah, exactly. It depends how you perform here, Kurt. So I actually had a family member send me your latest column. We're gonna get to that in just a second. No black pilling. Okay. But first of all, you had a great tweet last night about the lesson that we should take out of Indiana and how all the, all the rhinos are gonna take the wrong lesson. Explain your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter.
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Look, what happened last night is being misconstrued by our opponents. A bunch of Republicans, about eight of them, decided that they weren't going to fight fire with fire, that they were going back to the old beautiful loser model of the early 2000s where Republicans presided in a gentlemanly fashion over the destruction of our country. But sensibly, of course, because you wouldn't want to, you wouldn't want to actually engender any conflict. The voters of Indiana tossed, it looks like six of them out and maybe a seventh of the two refused to.
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Yes, seven, seven. And then there's an eight that we have hopes that she's currently down by three votes, but there's enough provisional ballots. We think there's a path.
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Yeah, we do and we hope so. No, I think in the last 20 years, maybe one Republican state legislator lost his primary in Indiana. So this is an earthquake. And what our opponents are saying is, well, it just shows that you're cult like in favor of Trump. You'll do whatever he says because you're sheep. I'm not here to correct people's misunderstand, especially my enemies misunderstandings. What happened here was the voters got sick of this nonsense. It has. You know, we are continually told that Donald Trump is our leader and that we worship him. No, Donald Trump is our avatar. He is a symbol of our dissatisfaction with the failed pseudo conservative policies of the past that Donald Trump, Trump brought attention to. It probably helped get people out in kind of a, a midterm primary. That's usually not, you know, super, super well attended. But the voters in Indiana didn't do this because Trump told them to. The voters of Indiana did it because they want to fight back against Democrat nonsense.
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So I have to play this clip. I'm loathe to do it, but it perfectly encapsulates what the Democrats are saying. Oh, we miss the gentlemanly losers that the Republicans used to be, and we hope that they get back there at some point. Sats7 these Republicans in Indiana, you probably don't agree with them on much.
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I don't agree with them on much
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in terms of their policies, but they knew what was coming if they stood up to Trump. They stood up to him anyways.
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if more Republicans had that in them.
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And I do believe a different kind
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of politics is possible. Look, Democrats are always going to disagree with Republicans. I'm always going to disagree on a lot of issues with Republicans. But if we're all actually talking about what we believe in, that that is better than Republicans repeatedly having to feel pressure to. To either lose their career or do something wrong because the president is demanding it of them.
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All right, I got to give it to Blake because I just have a feeling he's got something else.
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Well, I'm already feeling aggressed because we know Buttigieg wants to run for president, and he's clearly calculated that if he grows facial hair, that will undo whatever weaknesses he had in 2020 and allow him to run. And dialing back on. Dialing back on some of the other bits of his personality that didn't quite work out as much. And I'm just dreading 2028's Democrat primary already. But it will be entertaining. It will be entertaining.
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Well, I will tell you, Steve Hilton with a beard is giving off gubernatorial vibes. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes the beard can help. It works on you, Blake. Kurt, you can react to that if you want. The floor is yours.
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Well, look, Pete, Buttigieg's facial hair status is probably the least offensive thing about him. I want to hear his advice about as much as I want to review his browser history. That is not at all. I do think it is interesting that he's setting out a path where he essentially says, yeah, I would like Republicans that continually fail and defer to us. Well, I'd like Democrats to do that too, but I'm not getting that or a pony for my birthday day. Here's the news flash, Pete. It's a different Republican Party than it was 10 years ago. And it's the kind of guys you idolize whose fault it is. But that's okay. I think politics are a game where you play to win. Finally, Republicans are stepping up to bat and not swinging and missing well.
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And you know what? There's been. And we're going to get to this now because you wrote this great column in town hall. How can you even Black Bill Image 133. If you want to throw it up, how can you even black belt? I read it and you know what it did for me, Kurt, is it reminded me of some things. It reminded me that the murder rate is the lowest it's been since 1900. It reminded me about a lot of the wins that we're actually having today. We're seeing that the FBI is raiding a Virginia state legislator who was one of the champions of their redistricting plan to go 10 1. She was calling her own US senators in that state cucks, quote, unquote. That's what she was calling them cuz they were cautioning about the redistricting plan. So now she's getting. The FBI is raiding her offices and her home. So that's happening. The point I'm making is it reminded me that, you know, while people sometimes get frustrated with the Iran war or what have you, President Trump deserves so much credit for instilling this backbone into the movement where we actually fight back for once. Tell us about your column and why you wrote it.
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Well, look, I'm an army officer at heart, and if you start and if you let your morale sink, you're going to be defeated. Okay? I'm never going to. I'm always going to look for the positive. I'm always going to look for the next opportunity, the next place to attack. And I don't understand these folks, Andrew, who get out there and tell us we're doomed. It's all over. Hey, we've taken some big hits. We've lost people. But we can't give up. We're winning. Look at the points we're putting on the scoreboard. Okay, I just looked at my phone. The market is up 500 points. That's tens of millions of Americans whose retirement just got fatter. Yeah, gas prices are a little high. Heck, I'm in California. I hardly notice since it's always so high. But all around the map, we are. We are scoring. We have revitalized NATO. Venezuela is gone. Cuba's going to be and so is Iran that. You know, this whole Iran thing, I've been. I was in high school when the Iran thing started. This has been a festering store for 50 years. And it looks like President Trump is on the way to solving it. We are getting rid of the Climate hoax stuff. We are getting rid of DEI and Equity and all that kind of racist nonsense. Just the other day, the Supreme Court came out and said, no, you. You don't have to reserve districts for black Democrats. Everybody can compete for every district. It's win after win after win. And if you're asking for 100%, that's unrealistic. Look at baseball. If someone was batting.800, he would be the greatest baseball player of all time. Okay. Trump's batting about 800.
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To be otherworldly. Yeah.
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And speaking of Iran on its way to solve, we have breaking reports that they allegedly are close to a deal that would remove enriched uranium to be shipped to the U.S. this is what President Trump is claiming. We are hopeful, we will hope that that comes through. We know there have been many false starts there, but yeah, Kurt, it's on so many fronts. Like, people. There's clearly people who are addicted to despair. They're. They're addicted to black pilling. It's often, it's. It's almost like watching a sad movie. You get, like an emotional high from feeling betrayed and angry and screaming on the Internet. And it's often harder to accept. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You have to keep working hard anyway. And that's often why the most successful left wing movements are like that. The left actually, they. They don't win all the time. They take a lot of losses and they just keep moving. If you want a great example, on our side, the pro life movement. The pro life movement, it took 50 years to overturn Roe. We had a lot of losses at the Supreme Court. We had a lot of losses at the state level, a lot of losses at the ballot box, and they just had to do the very tedious hard work of just getting up and going every single time before. We got the Dobbs ruling a few years ago, and then it's still more work after that, over and over. My favorite example of how much things have changed. The other day on Truth Social, the President was just posting stats of what's the lifetime tax contribution of immigrants by where they come from. Some places it's really good, some it's really bad. And you just think, we've come so far from a decade ago when he would just say we shouldn't let people in from crappy countries and everyone lost their minds. How can you black pill? There's so much progress to be had if you bother to look for it.
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Kurt. I don't know if you're in California or Texas, but it gets into our next Topic here again, everybody. Check out Kurt's column at town hall. It was amazing. But there was a California gubernatorial debate last night and it was just something else. You are a longtime California resident and I have to believe that you were watching intently. Kurt, I'm going to play a couple of clips here just because, you know, why not? How about sat 16?
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Congresswoman Porter, your thoughts on the idea
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of funding health care for undocumented immigrants statewide?
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Yes, yes. And that's, by the way, what I
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think Californians deserve as answers to these questions.
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Well, if you're going to let in a bunch of illegals and built the system, then probably you do deserve that. But Katie Porter has got to be the most unlikable candidate in the field, and that's saying something. Kurt, what do you make of the field and how it's shaping up?
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Well, Katie Porter strikes me as one of those aggressively stupid middle aged divorce second grade teachers who make all her kids celebrate Kwanzaa. She's just, she's just an appalling person. But. But I will give her credit. She's honest. Yes, people, we, yes, you hardworking taxpayers of California should give your money to people who shouldn't be here just because, because you deserve that. Now, does she hate the people of California? I think she hates some of us. I am in California right now. Can you feel the ennui? But it's, you know, I would love to tell you that there's a bottom to this, but there's no bottom. You know how drunks hit bottom and they finally say, I got to get myself together. I'm going to die. No more alcohol. That doesn't work for leftists because they don't react to the same incentives we do. You and I would think, oh, well, let's make a prosperous, secure state where people can function and grow to their potential. And the leftist is, no, let's have a place where I'm in charge. Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. And that's kind of what you got in California.
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Well, I totally agree. It's, you know, living in California is really what radicalized me because I realized the progressive mindset essentially results in an ungovernable state or situation because you're incentivized to give more and more stuff to more and more victims. And eventually nobody's willing to say no to anybody. And it just creates this feeding frenzy and the producers, the productive people in your society get hit. This was a wild moment. You know, they say that former HHS secretary Javier Becerra is Now surging. That's the new word. They're so desperate to find a lead dog in this pack that now they're saying Becerra, who is grossly incompetent and has a terrible track record at hhs, is now surging. They want him to be the guy. Problem is, he's awful at it. Sad. 18. Everyone knows that Trump campaigned in 2024 talking about lost kids when there were no such thing as lost K. To hear these candidates now talk about that, if they're so concerned, why haven't they taken any action to find these lost kids? I think it's shameful for people to use Trump lies to try to gain favor with voters when you know it's not true. Use the facts. We should have a governor who relies on the facts. That goes on. So they cut it a little earlier than I was hoping. That goes on for Tony Villaragosa. He goes by Antonio, by the way. His original name is Tony Villar. He changed it to become mayor of la. People don't know this to Antonio Villaragoza. Really, really shameless stuff there. But he goes, no. These numbers were verified in the New York Times. This is not a Trump attack. You lost hundreds of thousands of migrant kids. And my whole point is, don't elect this man. He needs to be prosecuted. Him and Alejandro Mayorkas for crimes against humanity. Your thoughts on Javier Becerra?
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Well, I mean, he's well known for being stupid and a liar, and ironically, he's probably the least offensive of the Democrats. Katie Porter, the woman who poured hot potatoes on her husband's head, or Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate hoax lunatic. I think they're even worse. Becerra will just shut himself up in the office and hide. So he. He's the. He's the least worst of them, and he's terrible. I mean, it's an outright lie that there were no lost children. The. The cartels were shipping kids in here. The kids would get brought in and, of course, released by the Biden administration and released to whoever came to get them. And off they went into child labor, into prostitution, into other forms of trafficking. It was a disgrace. And, you know, I think it's fully on brand for the Democrats to simply lie and say, no, it never happened. Well, it happened, and it's all on you.
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So, Blake, I'll bring you in for this, too. You know, we knew this when Swalwell got pushed out of the race, that. That was actually a net negative for this jungle primary system where we might have had two Republicans at The top Chad Bianco, Steve Hilton. Is there any hope here? I mean, we've got voter ID is on the ballot. That's gonna generate a lot of enthusiasm with the base. Is there any hope that Steve Hilton, who's currently leading in the polls by all, all metrics, to actually pull this off? I know we're going to have him on probably later this week. I mean, I know he's going to say yes. What say you guys?
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I mean, we'll fight for him. We. Obviously it's too big of a state to not contest it. You never know what will happen. But Charlie was always one for realism. We need to also be realistic here. Not because we want to be defeatist, we're not blackpilling, but we do need to make sure, think about how, how Turning Point Action allocates its resources. Where we want to build the red wall, we want to shift those slightly red states to be deep red, we want to shift those purple states to be slightly red. And the truth is California is a state that President Trump lost by 20 points, 3.2 million votes in 2024. It is a state that's getting bluer by the year because anyone who's not on board with that insanity is leaving. It's going to be huge lift. I would never say never because there's a lot of ineptitude and as we saw with Swalwell, there's seems to be no rock bottom to the behavior of the top Democrats. So we can easily imagine one of them having a really bad scandal that they can't survive politically. But we want to be realistic here too. It's going to be a very, very tough climb.
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D
Yeah, Hilton's going to get creamed. I don't like to say it. I like Steve Hilton, he's a solid guy, he'd be a good governor. But there are just too many Democrats here and that's not Blackpooling. This is going to be a long fight. There are, you know, look across the map. There are, look at Florida. Florida was the ultimate purple, maybe even leaning Blue State just 20 years ago. Now it's deep, deep red. I'm not saying give up hope, I'm saying be realistic. Let's, let's see if we can help Hilton make his case out there, get a few more points than maybe people expected, then next time we do the same thing. I think, I think what California is, I think when California finally changes is you're going to get a moderate Republican Hispanic who comes in and says, wait a minute, this isn't meeting the needs of Californians. We're going to do some a little differently. And I. But I think that's a few cycles down the road.
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Well, and maybe on that point, if you can get voter ID passed, which is still positive in the polls, it has a real shot of passing. And you saw what the Save America act would do to states like New Mexico and Nevada. That could shift the electorate as well. Kurt Schlichter, Town Hall. Check out the book the Attack. Thank you, my friend. We'll see you soon.
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D
Thanks for having me.
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A
I wasn't expecting this, but Death of Recess genuinely stopped me in my tracks. This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed, standardized, and centralized. And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything will click for you too. Billions of dollars flow through education bureaucracies every year. Test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority. The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why. Something as basic as recess movement, freedom, childhood, all the good things, how they had to go, that's not random. It's systemic. Institutions protect themselves. They do not protect your kids. That's why this documentary exists on angel studio streaming platform Angel Guild. Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them. So go to angel.com charlie and watch death of Recess right now. If you're a parent or if you plan to be one, you need to see this film. Angel.comCharlie
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B
we're joined now by one of our favorite writers and thinkers about the modern state of America. We're joined by Helen Andrews. Helen, are you there?
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E
I am. Thanks a lot, Blake. Good to be here.
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B
Awesome. Great to have you. Great to have you. You can find her work all over the place. She writes a lot for Compaq. She writes a lot of great stuff on X. And she's the author of the excellent book I can highly recommend Boomers, all about the men and women who promised paradise and brought disaster. I might have mangled the title there a bit, but Helen Andrews Boomers. Check it out. But we wanted to have you on today for another worthy topic. There was news in the economic press recently that it's happened briefly in the past during COVID but it's becoming more permanent now that more women than men are going to work every day that they're on payrolls. We're becoming a majority women Economy, which has got to be basically unprecedented in the Western world. And Helen, you're one of the best commentators. What does that mean for society? What world are we building when we have a majority of women on payrolls?
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E
You said it. Unprecedented is the only word for it. As far back as we have data, it has been not just, it's never happened, it's been unimaginable that we would have a world where more women are employed than men. It has happened briefly, as you said before, in little blips, usually around recessions. It happened after the 2008 financial crisis and that's because men were more likely to be in jobs like construction that can be kind of turned off at times of economic crisis. But then male employment usually rebounds pretty quickly. The difference this time is that this is a more sustainable situation. Well, not sustainable in the sense of will lead to good outcomes, but these are long term trends of declining male workforce participation. What does that mean for our country? It means bad things because this is not a sustainable situation. When you see the numbers showing that men are doing really badly in the workforce and women are doing comparatively well, you might think that that's good for women because women are earning more money. But it's actually bad, not just for the men, but even for the women, because data shows that women don't pair off with or marry men who make less money than they do, who are less educated than they are. They definitely don't pair off with and marry men who are unemployed. So if we are now living in a country where most of the time more women have jobs than men, that spells disaster for marriage rates, birth rates and kind of the long term sustainability of our society.
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B
Yeah, that's another data point I saw you were posting about on X just the other day that I think this was data from Australia. But we're much like Australia where overall men still earn more than women on average. But in that key window where you'd be getting married, starting families in your early 20s, we now have a female wage premium that women do out earn men. And yet it seems that in our discourse it's still the narrative from politicians is entirely about the wage gap hurting women, that we need more initiatives to help women. But it seems the opposite is true. We actually have widespread anti male discrimination. If you run the blind studies, they prefer to hire women. Is that really the case?
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E
Absolutely. And I think that's the core fact about this strange new development to internalize is that it is artificial. This is not a natural result of women just going out there. And kicking butt in the workplace and being really great employees. It exists. Rising female workforce participation in and greater female promotion in the workplace. That's not happening naturally. That's happening because the law incentivizes it. A few months ago, I wrote an article called the Great Feminization that went very viral. And there were a lot of things I said in there that got me in trouble with the usual suspects that were pretty controversial. But the line that was objected to most frequently was where I claimed exactly this. I said that companies hire women that they wouldn't otherwise have hired and give women promotions that would otherwise have gone to men. Because those companies know if you don't have enough women in your workforce overall and in your upper management, that can be grounds for a lawsuit. The laws against gender discrimination are so loose that a single disgruntled employee who doesn't think that she's gotten ahead the way that she wanted to, if she can identify a statistical disparity and can say, you have twice as many men as women in your upper management, or whatever kind of statistics she can come up with, if she can bring that to a courtroom and say, this is proof that this company discriminated against me as a woman, she has a very good likelihood of success. So some people out there responding to this article doubted that. But it's just absolutely 100% the case. Companies are very, very worried about lawsuits around gender discrimination. I mean, even Goldman Sachs had to pay out $215 million over a gender discrimination lawsuit. And Goldman Sachs is obviously not a fly by night corporation. They have a lot of, you know, they really try and avoid any kind of legal liability like that. But even corporations like that are getting stuck with gender discrimination lawsuits. So, so companies absolutely do try and boost women as much as they possibly can to get their numbers up. And that leads to situations like we have now where men are unfairly disadvantaged.
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B
I want to loop we had lost Andrew for a second, but we're bringing Andrew, our co host, back in here. Andrew, I'm thinking here, obviously this is, I think I agree with Helen that this is artificial and it's having big impacts on marriage and as a result on fertility. But I'm really interested in the big long term picture. If this continues for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, what sort of society are we, are we going to build? Andrew, what do you think about that?
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Well, listen, I mean, I happen to think Helen Andrews is a national treasure. So whoever's coming after you, Helen, I want, I want names. I want to know because I Think what you've unlocked with this great feminization article in Compact Magazine, I think will be looked back at as a massive, massive inflection because we were able to directly draw a line between Wokeism and the feminization of the workforce, of industries, of institutions. I think the feminist lies pumped into the brains of young women is one of the existential threats to Western civilization. I think it's like the dark triad, basically. It's open borders, it's wokeism and it's feminism, or maybe Islamification, because woke ism, feminism are redundancies now. But my point is, Helen, there's this graph that's been going around everywhere. Young women have become much more liberal, while men have basically stayed the same. I want you to diagnose why this is. This is a graph. 152, if you could throw it up. What is behind this? And are these topics we're talking about, are they interrelated?
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E
Absolutely. One of the most frequent fundamental differences between men and women that shows up in study after study is that women are more consensus oriented. When women are deciding, what do I believe, what do I think about this or that, they're just more likely to poll their friends to gauge what the people around them are thinking, whereas men are more likely to be individualistic. A man is much more willing to say, well, nobody else or none of my peers agree with me on this, but I've crunched the numbers in my own head and to my own satisfaction, and my conscience tells me I think something different. And that's just going to have to be okay with everybody around me. There are lots of evolutionary psychological stories you could talk about in terms of why that's the case, but that's just demonstrably true.
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Helen, I happen to think that one of the big things that's really going on underneath the surface is that women have gotten everything they were told they were supposed to want, and it's making them miserable and bitter. And there's a podcaster, Rachel Wilson, author of Occult Feminism, who said, I thought put it very well. I want to get your reaction to this clip on the other side, SOT
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E
21 women just overall reporting dissatisfaction, unhappiness, a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and do all of that. Women don't know what to do with relationships because on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do, they want men who are higher achieving than they are. Yet this creates a paradox. Whereas Women have become the number one earners of college degrees. They have now got salaries that compete with men, and they've got more equality than ever before. They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry. They're finding that, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want.
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All right, so here's the great setup then, Helen. You've got high achieving women, at least professionally, who are deeply miserable. They're on anxiety meds, they're upset, they're bitter, and the men are not making enough money until they're past, like mating age and fertility, prime fertility years. What's the solution? Like, what would be your prescription for how to get us out of this death spiral?
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E
Well, I'm very sensitive to the problem that the podcaster that you just showed is talking about. I'm very lucky. I've got three kids at home and right now I'm in the leaning out phase of my career. I don't have a day job. I just take care of them. It's really wonderful. I really don't want to miss these precious years, but I'm able to do that because I have a husband who has a full time job. So when you see any high achieving woman who's been given a lot of the artificial breaks promotions that might otherwise have gone to a man, you might think that's great for her. But there are lots of men in the picture, the men who didn't get those promotions, and those men probably have wives at home who are wishing that they could stay home with their own kids and have a little lean out phase of their own. And they can't because their husband has been thwarted at work by these artificial feminist rules that make it hard in terms of what to do about it. I think fixing student loans is probably going to be a big part of the picture. Most people know that the majority of student loans are held by women, but it's not just by a little bit, it's by a lot. Two thirds of the student debt out there is held by women. And a lot of that never gets paid off because these women are in fields that don't earn a lot of money or they're working in nonprofits, which is a field that has student loan debt forgiveness. So you work at a nonprofit for 10 years and then your student loans are written off. So these women are being educated essentially on our dime because we, the taxpayer paid to send them to school and then they didn't pay us back with that student debt. So we're subsidizing their educations and their jobs and it's creating this imbalance artificially.
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B
I have a thought and I wonder what you make of it. So one result of this that we've seen because of this divergence ideological and economic, is we have a much wider fertility gap between conservatives and liberals. They used to be pretty similar. Now among people I think in their 30s, conservative women are having I think twice as many children as far left liberal women on average. Do you think that that is going to continue and expand? And one, is it possible this becomes sort of self correcting that will end up, the future will be occupied by people who value more traditional norms for their own sake or is that not going to be enough? We need a systemic fix that will enable even liberal women to have kids again.
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E
I think you're absolutely right about this being self correcting. I think liberalism of the kind that exists in the United States today is a self extinguishing philosophy. It's a philosophy that has a death wish and all we can do is make sure it doesn't drag the rest of us down with it. It's an ideology that can't reproduce itself quite literally. So the people that we have to care about and make policy around are the people in the middle who have conservative dispositions. They're the people who don't really buy into this self extinguishing liberalism. They like humanity and want to carry it on and they want to have kids. They just feel trapped by the financial incentives that make it harder for women to take a break from the workforce and go home and have kids and raise them or to pair off with men in the first place. So if we just tweak it a little bit, make it a little bit easier for women to do that and for men to succeed enough to allow women to do that, then I think we can take care of those folks in the middle who aren't the crazy liberals. They're just trying to survive in the crazy world the liberals have made for the rest of us.
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B
Helen, I mentioned your book Boomers which came out a few years ago. Very good. People should read it. Highly entertaining. You get profiles of Steve Jobs and some I think. Was Camille Paglio one of them too? Yeah. Great, great stuff. Different profiles of the boomer thing, but I thought I'd ask. We have a couple minutes left. I know you mentioned you're not working a day job right now, but I think you are working on more books in the future. What's first of all what might we be able to look forward to from you? What are your big ideas floating around right now? And also what are your thoughts on the general issue of turning the tide culturally? What do we need to be producing more work like yours in the conservative sphere?
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E
Well, I am working on a book project. Good guess. The nature of it is confidential at this time. I can't wait till it's ready to share with everybody, but it's just not just yet.
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B
Can you message me privately? I want to know.
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E
You guys will be the first to know. I'll give you that breaking story when it's ready, I promise. We'd love to help you, but I do think books are important. Books are the missing piece right now. People like you have done such a wonderful job fostering good conservative intellectual work in the podcasting sphere, in the radio sphere, organizing people in real life. There are some great conservative magazines out there, and I've worked at many of them and they do terrific, a terrific job. The biggest gap in conservative media as far as I can see is, is books. So that's what we need more of, and that's what I'm trying to supply.
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B
Amen. Amen. It's very real. I think there's articles are great, segments are great, but there's a real power to, if you can have 200 pages, 300 pages on a specific thing, that can lay out a narrative. And we think of how many myths you think of white fragility. That was a book by Robin Diangelo and suddenly everyone had to read it. And this was the left wing explanation for the world. We need to have on the right. A book that we can say this explains the reality that we're in.
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Well, and I just want to say the article that we had you on previously about, about the workforce becoming feminized and becoming woke, I genuinely believe that is such an important contribution to the discourse. I saw there was clips about Adam Carolla that I just saw talking about it. He was in la and the people ask, had you read this article? And they're like, yeah, of course. Everybody sent me this article. So what you're doing is truly important, Helen. And I want to underscore again, I'll reframe my top three. I think it's open borders, mass migration, it's feminism and Islamification. That's my top three threats to Western civilization. And you have a unique ability to address the feminism one. So thank you for your contribution. We'll have you on again soon when you could talk about your book. My goodness, we're waiting on bated breath. Gentlemen. Let's get real for a second. Are you frustrated with today's woke dating scene? The apps, the games, the endless swiping. It's a waste of time finding a woman who shares your values. Faith, family, patriotism. If it feels nearly impossible, it doesn't have to be. Selective Search, America's leading matchmaking firm is changing the game. They connect strong, successful men like you. Men who love God, love America. Want a family with women who share your values. These are intelligent, faith driven women who put family first and still believe in traditional values. Imagine that if you're a single conservative man in his late 30s to early 50s in Southern California. Listen up. Selective Search has an exclusive network of women ready for the real thing. Here's the best part. Their candidate program is 100% free and confidential. Some of our closest friends, the show, have used Selective Search. And let me tell you, they're meeting great, great women. High quality women. This is your chance. This isn't an app. It's your answer. The perfect conservative woman is out there waiting for you. Visit selectivesearch.com california today. Let the professionals introduce you to women already looking for someone like you in Southern California. Don't wait for the perfect match. Take action now. Go to selectivesearch.com California and start building the future you deserve. Without further ado, wanna welcome Mike Collins, congressman out of Georgia, who's going to be the next senator from the great state of Georgia. And I believe he's got one of the best pickup opportunities around nationwide. Welcome to the show, Congressman, future senator Mike Collins.
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F
Well, I appreciate y' all having me on it. And you're exactly right. This is the number one race in the country to flip. Jon Ossoff has been underwater. He's been below 50% forever. And if you look at the current polling data in every general election poll there is out there, I've either been tied with him or in the margin of ERA since we got in this race. Not to mention the fact that we've been leading in the primary since we got in it.
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Yeah, and I want to show you that we've got this graphic of you are. Now it looks like this is from qantas insights taken April 28th through May 2nd. And it's got you at 33% in the primary. So you haven't even gone toe to toe with Ossoff yet, who, by the way, is just such a mediocre milquetoast. No, nothing. I don't even know like what he's About I was cracking up because Mark Halperin, who's a friend of the show, put out his top eight for potential future president candidates from the. From the Democrat Party. And somehow Ossoff made the list. I was like, what. What has he even done? Like, what is, like the qualification to be on this list? Just to be a white Democrat male? Because they've driven out so many of them. So you just, you describe yourself, though, Congressman, future senator, as. And I should say your turning point action endorsed proudly. So we're. We're grateful to have you on. You describe yourself as a workhorse. Now explain your background. You came out of trucking. You actually do stuff. That's why we love you. What is your background? Why does that set you apart here?
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F
Well, and I think that's the main point here is just the fact that I'm just a blue collar small businessman, been successful in the trucking industry, one of the most regulated and taxed industries that there is in this country. And to be able to take that experience and go to Washington and get something done, I mean, I've had probably one of the most successful careers that there is in Congress, even though I've only been up there one full term, and that's to get two pieces of legislation signed into law. And the Lake and Riley act, that was my piece of legislation, which, by the way, California's third senator, John Ossoff, opposed that bill. And you want to know what John Ossoff or what he looks like? All you have to do is look at the state of California, combine that with the state of New York, because that's where his money comes from. The majority of his money comes from those two states. And it's because he doesn't reflect the values of the state, the people of this state, or any resemblance of this state. So, you know, you're looking at a guy right there. Now, that actually agrees with men playing in girls sports. I've not found a soul here in the state of Georgia that agrees with that.
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A
Well, I bet you could go somewhere downtown Atlanta and find one or two. But, yeah, it's a. It's a rarity, I will tell you. Atlanta, the traffic. Sir, what happened to that city? I went when I was younger and it was like paradise. And then. Anyways, you know, you. You gotta love it. That's your job. Blake, I don't know if you have a question for the congressman, but I've got plenty. So the floor is yours.
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B
Go ahead. Go ahead.
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A
Yeah. So I want to reflect on what happened last night. In Indiana and then take that to the grassroots in the base voters in Georgia. So last night we saw a referendum on betrayal of the party. I believe that you are a guy that will resonate so deeply with the grassroots and the base voters. That's going to be your upper hand when it comes to a general because the midterms are all about turnout. You're a guy that gets them excited. Tell us what your platform that's going to get us excited, that's going to get that turnout in an off year. That's going to set you apart in a general election.
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F
Yeah, you know, it's just the fact that midterm elections are all about turnout. That's it. It's lining up the voters and your, and your party. And here in the state of Georgia, if you don't, if you don't go for that low propensity Trump voter or someone that is actually is a Trump candidate, then you're not going to turn out the voters. And the unique thing about me is when you look at how I have been solidly behind President Trump all the way back to 2016, I mean, I've either maxed out to President Trump with financial help, or in the case of 2024, I was the only candidate in this race in Georgia that was out there across the country knocking on doors. I mean, yeah, I was the guy, the old southern boy out there in Iowa, negative 40 degree weather. And not only that, but I also went out across this country and picked up six other candidates and campaigned for them, went and knocked doors. Turning Point knows they know how important knocking doors is. And so I went out there knocking doors for those candidates because I wanted them to be in Congress when President Trump got back to the White House so that we would have his back this time. Because I honestly don't think that they actually had his back in 2017. The people of the state of Georgia see that. They see that. And that's why we're resonating now, the Atlanta suburban crowd, and that's the other part of the Republican Party here. They just want somebody to go get something done, you know, and if you take a look at the Lake and Riley Act, I could have got that passed with just Republicans, but I actually went and got Democrats because I knew that's how I was going to get it out of the Senate. And that's how we got that bill passed. And that's what they want. They want somebody to actually to deliver for them. And, you know, I don't know if your, your audience knows this or not. But in just one year's time, that little, simple, three, four page piece of legislation has been responsible for taking over 20,000 illegal criminals off our streets across this country, which is making us safer. I would say it's a huge success.
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D
Yeah.
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A
I mean, so much of the violent crime is done by such a small percentage of violent criminals, repeat offenders, foreign illegal, gang members, all this stuff. I mean, so hugely important murders are down to a low, as low as they've been since 1900. And it's. It's common sense reforms like the Lake and Riley act and, you know, may she rest in peace and may her family have peace. I want to ask you, though, there's a dynamic in Georgia that's difficult as an outsider to understand. Right. So you got Governor Kemp, who wins the state by, like, eight points. He's been a thorn in President Trump's side. Even in 2024, we didn't win Georgia by a whole heck of a lot. Right. It was a couple of points. Are you concerned. And I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I think it's completely overcomeable. Are you concerned that Trump's brand is not, like, so popular that it drives people to polls in Georgia? Georgia is a funny state when it comes to turnout and political tribalism. Explain the dynamics in your state, sir.
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F
Yeah, you know, if you. Let's hearken back to 2020, because that's when Ossoff went into this seat to begin with, and we all know it. That race was legitimately rigged. I mean, we changed the rules in the middle of the game, sent out absentee ballots to everybody in your family and all your pets. And so we've done a good job of cleaning up the voter roll from that standpoint. And we're making sure that we're not sending out absentee ballots. We could use the SAVE act that would.
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A
Congressman. Yeah, Congressman, real quick question on that. I know in 2020 especially, there was all that issues with signature verifications and rolling back the signature. Has that been fixed?
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F
Yes. What, what you're seeing now is you're seeing more people that are working these polls. And that was the. In 2020, I was in the private sector, y', all, and I was also the chairman of our Republican Party in the little county I'm in. So I had to work the polls because you couldn't really get people to help. But that you're hitting a nail on the head. When somebody turns in an absentee ballot, it's supposed to be signed on the front with their name. So that you can verify signatures. And to me, that is where we need to look. That's where I'm so thankful that Cash Patel and the FBI came by and paid us a little visit in Atlanta and picked them up a bunch of boxes of souvenirs. And I hope they go through them. And at the end of the day, we need to prosecute people that held them accountable if there were nefarious things done. And I think he's going to find some of that stuff. We have rectified a lot of that. Would I like to be paper ballots? You bet I would be. I would love to do that. But at the end of the day, we've got to make sure that we turn out the vote. Early voting is going on right now. We're seeing record turnouts. We're seeing more Democrats turn out than Republicans. Republicans, you know, we're the type people. We're not going to go vote unless it's Election Day. I've always been that type person, too. I don't believe in election season to begin with. I think we should just have one day and go vote. But we're seeing good numbers. We're seeing that turn out. People are excited because they know this, this was the result of 2020, and we've got to rectify this problem.
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A
So give us the timeline here. Congressman, future Senator Mike Collins, give us the primary early voting and election Day.
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F
Yeah, see, early voting has already started. And then the actual primary date. Primary date is on May 19th. And then if we have a runoff, that's in June, June 16th. And then, of course, November 3rd is your actual general election date. And so all we've got to do is just keep ginning up the vote. That's why we're out here right now. I mean, I tell people all the time, I feel like I'm Ricky Bobby, man. I'm just making laps around the state and staying in first place. But we're down here in South Georgia right now in farm country, and we just left a group of over 50. There was 56 people crammed in that little room that we just left down here in south, South Georgia during 12 o' clock when they could have went and ate lunch somewhere, but they came by to hear what our message was and to help us get this vote out. It's been unreal. Y' all talk about grassroots support, man. We've got. We've got it out here.
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Yeah, I mean, you're good on immigration, you're good on crime, you're common sense. You got the bases back. You're not going to betray them. You're a workhorse. You work your tail off. That's been clearly proven true. Turning point action endorsed. I mean, Mike, you got. We got your back 100%. We need so many more like you if we can get rid of Ossoff. So I, you know, it's all about turnout. We need to get the base out. Georgia, get out for Mike Collins, make him your next senator. This has to happen. Go check him out@mikecollinsga.com Mike Collinsga.com donate some money, pitch in. We got your back, Mike. God bless you. Thank you for putting your hat in the ring and getting to work here.
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F
Appreciate it, man. Thanks for your time. Thank you.
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A
Absolutely. God bless you.
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B
You know what's also going on besides our big win in Indiana? I think we should talk about. Ted Turner died this morning. He was in his late 80s, but obviously a very memorable figure in American life. If you were around in the 80s and 90s, if you list off the things he was involved in, he's kind of in the, you might say, like the Mike Tyson zone, where any story, or maybe Michael Jackson zone, any story about him is at least somewhat plausible. He's the man who invented Captain Planet. If you found that show particularly intolerable in the early 90s, he created, most memorably for us, he created CNN, the cable news Network. In fact, President Trump was memorializing him for just that on Truth Social. And he also created WCW Wrestling. So if you are a child of the 90s like myself, I was not into pro wrestling, but all of my neighbor, all of my friends in school were. They loved all of pro wrestling. Did you ever watch pro wrestling growing up, Andrew?
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Oh, I did. I watched a lot of it. But we, my, my big brother was into it. So I got sort of, as I got older, I faded away. But Fazio on the team has gotten me really into kayfabe and all the storylines and stuff like that. So. So quasi a little bit. You know what's crazy, by the way, is that wrestling is now, like on the ESPN app. It's like they're fully mainstreaming. And I'm like, it's not really a competitive sport, but okay, whatever. It's 100% story. When we get a second.
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What's that? Right? What was that?
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I want to read this yacht story.
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Oh, yeah, go for it. Yeah, read the yacht story.
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This is. Okay. This blew my mind. Okay. Ted Turner. Okay. So when he passed, we started looking into it. Blake actually put this in one of our Chats. And I was like, this is extraordinary stuff. At the same time, Mr. Turner was developing a damaging reputation for philandering, drunkenness and public misconduct. His tumultuous first marriage to Julia Nye, with whom he had two children, Laura and Teddy Jr. Ended in the early 1960s. Shortly after, Mr. Turner competed against his wife in a yacht race. Seeing she was on the verge of winning, he rammed her boat with his. That is so savage. I don't have words for it. Obviously, Ted Turner was cut from a different, different cloth, like the mold, like
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I say he was. He's the kind of guy where you could read like any story about him and it might be a little believable. Sigh. I literally just was looking at what are fun Ted Turner stories. He apparently, he owned the Atlanta Braves, notably, he apparently tried to manage them for one night, a game they lost. And then Major League Baseball came in and said, you are the owner. You are not allowed to keep doing that. Which I'm very disappointed in. They 100% should have let him keep managing the team. That would be, that would have been highly entertaining. You can see why he also went into pro wrestling. He, he funded the movie. I believe he funded the movie Gettysburg for anyone who liked that. He was a big fan of American history, of our Civil War heritage. So obviously we have a lot of differences with him. Creating CNN is a big one. He was very, he criticized pro life supporters a lot. But I do like his appreciation of our history.
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Well, so President Trump's truth addresses the CNN thing. Said Ted Turner, one of the greats of all time just died. He founded cnn, sold it, and was personally devastated by the deal because the new ownership took cnn, his baby and destroyed it. It became woke and everything that he is not all about. Maybe the new buyers, wonderful people will be able to bring it back to its former credibility and glory regardless. However, one of the great greats of broadcast history and a friend of mine, whenever I needed him, he was there, always willing to fight for a good cause. President Donald J. Trump. So he addressed the cnn. I mean, because CNN is what I think of with Ted Turner. I don't think about TBS or TNT or any of that stuff. I think CNN and you know, it's, it's probably not his, his favorite piece of his legacy, but rest in peace to Ted Turner. Any other fun stories you uncovered there, Blake?
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Oh, let me see. What else do we have here?
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The yacht story is just.
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The yacht story is really incredible. He, I think he helped us reclaim the America's Cup. He was he didn't just ram his wife's yacht. He also beat sinister Australian yachts to reclaim major yachting trophies. I like the story about cnn. When they went on air, he said they would keep broadcasting. They opened with the Star Spangled Banner, and then he said, we will keep broadcasting until the end of the world. So they have a video in the CNN archives, which is the Marine Corps band playing Taps. And it says on it, only play this if the world is about to end. And so if we're ever facing Armageddon, if, you know the world's about to explode, we will be able to see that clip on cnn. Not that any of us would want to spend our last moments watching cnn, I suspect.
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You know, he seems to me cut from that old mold. You know, it's like you kind of get a sense of the Gilded Age. Those American men of industry, of great wealth that actually poured their money back into the country that cared about its founding values. A real titan and aggressive individual that was wildly creative, wildly pioneering, and was willing to take massive risks. And, you know, it's interesting, you know, we're just talking with Mike Collins, and he said he was in Southern Georgia. I've been to southern Georgia once, and I was actually near a town called Thomasville, which is famous for being surrounded by these huge, huge properties that are. They don't even have roads on them. They're some of the biggest undeveloped parcels of land in the country, like 100,000 acre parcels kind of thing. And you do hunting and, like, kind of in the old mold. And I actually went to one of them to do a hunt, and it was. I found out it was previously owned by Ted Turner. So. And apparently there was all sorts of wild stories. He would go visit the property, like twice a year to do these big quail hunts, and they do it with dogs and foxes, and they have people that hand you the gun and load it for you. I mean, it's kind of like old English style down there in Thomasville. And he used to own one of those properties. So just absolutely never ending, almost insatiable desire and appetite for new adventures. And really, for all of his faults, which it appears there were many, you have to admire that just pure Americana that drive, that man of industry that animated so much of his life. And you could tell that that's why President Trump likes him 100%.
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He's.
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You could see this world where you could listen. He was once the largest private landowner in the United States. He repopularized the bison, you know, because he wanted bison burgers for a restaurant chain that he created. One thing after another and one you can see this used to be, I think more of America's tycoons were like this. If you read American history, the the Hunt brothers, for example, have this flamboyant streak. Carnegie Rockefeller, they were very eccentric. Today we have Elon Musk is a little like this. And of course, Donald Trump himself is like this. You could imagine a world where Ted Turner maybe was a Donald Trump like figure, but running on the center left. Obviously we disagree with him on a lot of things, but he's the sort of character who made America America. And so, you know, as he's passed on, we should remember him for that.
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Well, this is why we ultimately, you know, have a special place in our heart for President Trump. He's kind of that maybe Trump is the last of a breed, so to speak.
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