America Lovers And America Haters: Charlie and Vivek at Georgia State University

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – "America Lovers And America Haters: Charlie and Vivek at Georgia State University"

Release Date: November 27, 2024

In this engaging episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk, alongside co-host Mike Tabling, engages with a diverse group of students at Georgia State University. The discussion spans a range of hot-button issues, including dual citizenship, abortion, immigration, the Civil Rights Act, and policing in American cities. Through a series of thoughtful questions and candid debates, Kirk and his guests provide a comprehensive exploration of contemporary conservative viewpoints.

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1. Opening Remarks and Event Promotion [00:00 - 01:21]

Charlie Kirk opens the episode by highlighting the impressive turnout of 5,000 students at the event, emphasizing the growth and influence of Turning Point USA. He promotes upcoming events like America Fest and encourages student involvement, setting an enthusiastic tone for the discussions to follow.

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2. Dual Citizenship Debate [01:21 - 02:27]

Savannah poses a question on the topic of dual citizenship, inquiring about Turning Point USA’s stance.

• Savannah [01:21]: "What is your opinion on dual citizenship that's also known as dual nationality?"

• Charlie Kirk [01:33]: "If you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country."

Mike Tabling expands on this, arguing against dual citizenship by emphasizing the potential for conflicting allegiances:

• Mike Tabling [01:47]: "Citizenship is about your duty. Two nations can always have their interests conflict. Dual citizenship... is actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties."

This segment underscores the conservative perspective on national allegiance and the preference for single citizenship to ensure unwavering loyalty to the United States.

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3. Abortion and Homosexuality Discussion [02:27 - 05:18]

Gerald challenges Charlie Kirk on his views regarding abortion and homosexuality, seeking clarity on moral distinctions.

• Gerald [02:31]: "I'd like to challenge you on your views on abortion and homosexuality specifically, Charlie."

• Charlie Kirk [02:59]: "No, I do not believe in personal abortion. My family would not allow an abortion under any case unless the life of the mother."

The conversation delves into the moral complexities of abortion, with Gerald pushing for a deeper examination of the rights of the unborn versus the rights of the mother.

• Charlie Kirk [04:15]: "Universal human equality spans to all people regardless of the method of your conception."

Gerald counters by differentiating between the fetus's rights and those of the mother, leading to a nuanced debate on when life begins and the moral obligations involved.

• Gerald [05:37]: "It is a human, but it gets human rights upon birth."

This debate highlights the conservative stance on pro-life ethics while addressing the challenges of applying moral principles to complex scenarios.

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4. Political Research and Faith-Based Communication [08:21 - 11:35]

Ethan introduces two questions, one about political research and another about balancing faith and effective communication.

• Ethan [08:21]: "Would you be willing to make a course based on how to do political research?"

• Charlie Kirk [08:50]: "Yeah, I think it's a great idea. I love that."

On navigating faith in discussions:

• Ethan [08:51]: "How do I find a happy medium between not casting my pearls, but trying to desperately save a fellow American?"

• Charlie Kirk [09:14]: "I try to tell the truth in all circumstances, regardless of the backlash... We must have enough love to love somebody that if they're currently in a place of permanent behavioral sin, not one-off sin, but lifestyle behavioral sins."

Kirk emphasizes the integration of truth and love in faith-based dialogues, advocating for a balanced approach that fosters genuine change without alienation.

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5. Immigration and Refugee Crisis [15:59 - 37:48]

Akilah shares a personal perspective on immigration, focusing on Venezuelan refugees and their impact on American cities.

• Akilah [29:12]: "What do you think should be done about the crisis?"

• Charlie Kirk [30:43]: "If you commit a crime, you're deported back to your country of origin, period."

The discussion intensifies as Mike Tabling provides a structured approach to immigration:

• Mike Tabling [30:50]: "Citizenship should only be granted to migrants who benefit America... prevent migrants from accessing government assistance for the first 10 years."

Gavin questions the effectiveness of current policies, leading Kirk and Tabling to advocate for stricter enforcement and prioritization of American citizens' welfare over undocumented immigrants.

• Charlie Kirk [35:07]: "Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country. We've violated our social contract to our own citizens."

This segment encapsulates the conservative emphasis on border security, merit-based immigration, and prioritizing citizen welfare over refugee influxes.

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6. Civil Rights Act Critique [21:45 - 29:12]

Gavin questions why Charlie Kirk views parts of the Civil Rights Act as detrimental.

• Gavin [27:42]: "Would you like to get rid of the Civil Rights Act?"

• Charlie Kirk [27:49]: "The Civil Rights Act has been used in ways it was never intended... It is now being used to keep men playing in women's sports."

Kirk argues that while the Civil Rights Act initially aimed to eliminate racial discrimination, its expansion into areas like gender discrimination has led to unintended consequences. He advocates for a simplified version focusing solely on racial equality to prevent the overreach of the Act into unrelated areas.

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7. Policing in Chicago and Over-Policing Debate [29:12 - 37:48]

The conversation shifts to law enforcement and safety in Chicago.

• Savannah [35:00]: "I did see a lot of that from my friends that are from..."

• Charlie Kirk [35:14]: "Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals... Show me one city in America that's over-policed."

The debate centers on whether Chicago is over-policed and the effectiveness of current law enforcement strategies. Kirk maintains that areas like Englewood lack adequate policing, countering claims of over-policing and emphasizing the need for more law enforcement presence to improve safety and reduce crime rates.

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8. Closing Remarks [37:48 - End]

Charlie Kirk wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with Turning Point USA and stay informed on critical issues affecting America. The final interactions reinforce the show's commitment to addressing pressing societal challenges from a conservative standpoint.

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Notable Quotes

• Charlie Kirk [01:33]: "If you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country."

• Mike Tabling [01:47]: "Dual citizenship... is actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties."

• Charlie Kirk [02:59]: "Abortion is the intentional taking of a fetus or a human life... our family would never do that personally."

• Charlie Kirk [09:14]: "We can't forget the truth side of the coin."

• Mike Tabling [30:50]: "Citizenship should only be granted to migrants who benefit America... prevent migrants from accessing government assistance for the first 10 years."

• Charlie Kirk [27:49]: "The Civil Rights Act has been used in ways it was never intended... It is now being used to keep men playing in women's sports."

• Charlie Kirk [35:07]: "Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country. We've violated our social contract to our own citizens."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show offers a robust exploration of several contentious issues facing America today. Through active engagement with student questions and spirited debates, Charlie Kirk and Mike Tabling articulate a conservative vision that prioritizes national loyalty, stringent immigration controls, a critical view of the Civil Rights Act’s expansion, and a focus on enhancing law enforcement to ensure community safety. The discussions provide valuable insights into the challenges and ideological battles shaping current American socio-political landscapes.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Mike Tabling, Georgia, taking questions live from students. It's really remarkable. We had 5,000 students at this one. I think you'll really enjoy it. Get involved with turning point [e-mail] that is tpusa.com and get involved with America Fest today, our biggest event in December. Amfest.com that is amfest.com amfest.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Savannah]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Mike Tabling]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Savannah]

Hi, I'm Savannah and I have a question about dual citizenship. What is Yalls opinion on dual citizenship that's also known as dual nationality?

[Mike Tabling]

I'm against it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Yeah, I actually never thought that deeply about it, but yeah, I probably. If you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country.

[Savannah]

Okay. May I ask why you guys are against it?

[Mike Tabling]

Yeah. So citizenship is about your duty. To whom do you actually pledge your allegiance? And in theory, two nations can always have their interests conflict with one another. And the question is, to which nation do you actually owe that sole allegiance? So I think dual citizenship, to even say I'm against it, is. Even misses the mark. It's actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties. When push comes to shove and two nations interests conflict with one another, you should be clear with yourself and with your country to whom your ultimate allegiance actually belongs. And that's why I also favor lawmakers have to disclose if they have dual citizenship. I think they should actually be willing and able to tell the public if they pledge allegiance to two countries. Thank you very much.

[Savannah]

Thank you.

[Gerald]

Hello. Y'all doing all right today?

[Mike Tabling]

Go ahead.

[Gerald]

Good. I'd like to challenge you mainly on Like a moral landscape versus like a political landscape because I've not done my homework in the political realm. So I'd like to challenge you on like your views on abortion and homosexuality specifically, Charlie, because I've, I've consumed some way more of Charlie's of clips, so. And I watched a clip of you. I'd like to just confirm your viewpoint real quick.

[Charlie Kirk]

I answer this at every tourist stop. Yes, I do not believe in personal. Personally, my family would not allow an abortion under any case unless the life of the mother. That's correct.

[Gerald]

Okay. So on. Unless the life of the mother.

[Charlie Kirk]

Unless the life of the mother of which it would actually not be considered an abortion. It's a medical procedure called a septic to me. But that's. Yes. Abortion is the intentional taking of a fetus or a human life. We, our family would never do that personally. Correct.

[Gerald]

Okay. And you were, you were brought up a scenario where a, you know, a young girl, 10, 15 year old girl was raped and she, you were asked should she give an abortion or is it more moral to not give or give this abortion? You said the baby will be aborted.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I think I said the baby will be delivered in the video.

[Gerald]

Yeah, the baby will be delivered. My bad. And I think that's, that's quite harsh to expect someone of this age and this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. So I should have to do this. Someone in this audience was conceived in rape. Can you tell me who?

[Gerald]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I have two ultrasounds. One baby's conceived in rape. One baby was conceived by a loving family. Which one is which?

[Gerald]

You cannot tell.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So that therefore universal human equality spans to all people regardless of the method of your conception. Correct?

[Mike Tabling]

Sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that is my position.

[Gerald]

That is not exactly what I'm trying to tackle here. My. I'm trying to tackle. I want you to look more at the person having to give life to this baby and push it out of their body and go through a pregnancy.

[Charlie Kirk]

And let's ask another moral question then. Is it ever okay to do something evil after an evil?

[Gerald]

I want you to focus on my question real quick.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I've answered it. I've already.

[Gerald]

No, you've not answered it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I said the baby will be delivered because, for example, murdering a baby is not the right thing after an evil. That's the moral position I have. Sure.

[Gerald]

That is, I would agree, I would agree as a general statement, yes, but no.

[Charlie Kirk]

So for example, under abortion, do you carve out a new morality? Is there like a different kind of morality that we apply only to Abortion?

[Gerald]

Well, it's, it really is a case by case thing for me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Really. So that's case by case. I mean, where in life do we do case by case? Don't we have universal human morality such as you shall not murder. People deserve human rights?

[Gerald]

I mean, sure, but, but the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why should abortion be any different?

[Gerald]

Because this. So I believe the fetus or embryo, or however you want to call it, or whatever stage it's in, it is, I believe it should not have the exact same rights as.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. So what species is it?

[Gerald]

It is a human.

[Charlie Kirk]

So then should. If it's a, if it's a human species, doesn't it then get human rights?

[Gerald]

Not necessarily.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why?

[Gerald]

Because there's a.

[Charlie Kirk]

At what point does it get human rights?

[Gerald]

It's, I believe it gets the human rights upon birth. And I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow. Upon birth. So even when it's 35 weeks, has a heartbeat, its own DNA, brain waves, can feel pain, touch, it can hear you. That baby doesn't get human rights.

[Gerald]

Well, of course it deserves most rights.

[Charlie Kirk]

But when you are like which ones most rights?

[Gerald]

Yeah. So if you were to like, for me, if my daughter, you know, was raped, I would 100% expect an option to not have this a baby be born.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that's fine. We just disagree. You would be okay with murdering a baby? I would not.

[Gerald]

Why? I think murder is a bit of a harsh.

[Mike Tabling]

So let me ask, you said your case by case, let me give you a case to react to. Pregnant woman walking down the street, she's assaulted, the unborn child dies as a consequence. Should that criminal be held liable for that death or not?

[Gerald]

Yes.

[Mike Tabling]

Okay, so therefore we agree that that was actually a moral wrong and a crime that was committed. Which means we have common ground. Right. And by the way, you're not alone in that. Nearly every pro choice person I've met in this country says the same thing, that if the woman is assaulted, she's pregnant, the unborn child dies as a consequence. In that context, I haven't met a single person who says we don't treat that as actually a death that that criminal is responsible for. So that says we actually all share that same instinct in common. Let me just shift as we're on a diverse campus, as Charlie mentioned, we're here in the city of Atlanta. Let me just talk about Planned Parenthood for a second because there's an agenda here. It's not about these one off fringe theoretical cases. Planned Parenthood was built on a racist agenda to actually stop the birth of one race of People. That is the black race of people. And I know this may be controversial to say, but when you look at the number of deaths in this country, lynching ain't got nothing actually on the abortions that have occurred in this country targeted against one racial community. And so when I hear Kamala Harris walking around talking about reproductive rights, I can't stand it anymore because they're effectively have an agenda preventing the reproduction of one class of Americans. And I think especially sitting where we are today, we got to recognize that racist agenda for what it is, too. So thank you, man. I appreciate it.

[Gerald]

I like to just push back a little bit, you know, stay out of, you know, the political realm. Who said who? Who said what?

[Mike Tabling]

And last word. Last word. And then we got to give other people a turn. All right, all right.

[Gerald]

So. So where ex. Besides the. The cultural landscape of my generation, I so personally, I think my generation has started to abuse the abortion, the. The. The option of abortion, and that has lead. Led to our society.

[Charlie Kirk]

We agree.

[Ethan]

Hello, my name is Ethan. I have a question for both of you, and then I have a question for Charlie specifically. So the first question is, would you two or just Turning Point USA as a company as a whole, would you guys be willing to like to make a course based on how to do political research? Because for me, I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to it. I think I miss a lot of nuance and opposing sides when I do it. So would you guys be willing to sell a course like that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

[Mike Tabling]

It's great.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love that.

[Ethan]

All right, and then I have a question for Charlie specifically, because I'm a Christian and I enjoy debating with people, and I know in the Bible it says not to cast your pearls upon the swine. And so my question is, how do I find like, a happy medium between not casting my pearls, but at the same time trying to desperately save a fellow American?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's a great question. I can tell you what I do, which is I try to tell the truth in all circumstances, regardless of the backlash. The scriptures say repeatedly that we are called to be disciples of all nations, not just converts of all nations, and to be salt and light. When you are salt and light, that means you try to change the environment that you come in contact with. So you constantly need to ask the question, are you changing the environment that you come in contact with to be more godly, more Christ like, and elevating towards the divine, or are you becoming more worldly? And again, we're all sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God. We all need Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, all of us. And Christ is king. That's right. And with that belief though, we must understand how did Jesus and the early church practice their ministry.

[Ethan]

So I would. So there I've only seen really one instance because there's a new question that I've been kind of debating with. But the only instance that I've seen is like how he would deal with the Pharisees since he knew that the Pharisees wouldn't listen, he would actually make an example of them. But so other people that would be willing to listen would get the lesson that the Pharisees weren't. But at the same time, how do I. I think it would be nearly impossible to accomplish that in a one on one scenario unless it was to be recorded.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I have to think more deeply about that. I don't know. What I do know though is that Christ was simultaneously absolutely love and absolutely truth. And in the current status we only present Christ as absolutely love, not truth. And if we dive deeper into the scriptures, we realize that if you really love somebody, you love to correct them. See, in the modern day church we think of church as affirmation when in reality it should be correction. And so in our life this is where it could be come across as people think you're judgy or yet you're trying to cast them into a negative light. We must have enough love to love somebody that if they're currently in a place of permanent behavioral sin, not one off sin, but lifestyle behavioral sense. For example, if your best friend is an adulterer and drinking out to 3am every night, do you love that person enough to tell them they have to get their act together or do you just say, hey, I love you so much, keep on doing what you're doing. Right. So that would be my advice to you, is to have that balance between love and truth. We can't forget the truth side of the coin. Thank you so much.

[Ethan]

Sorry, one more question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Ethan]

So it is my birthday today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Happy birthday. What's your name?

[Gavin]

Ethan.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ethan?

[Mike Tabling]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ethan, happy birthday.

[Ethan]

I was wondering if I could get a picture after the events.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Akilah]

What'S up? My name's Gavin and I actually turned 18 today too. I'm a first time voter.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whoa.

[Mike Tabling]

Happy birthday, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. It's really your birthday.

[Akilah]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm about to see some identification or something. I'm kidding. We'll come and get you a picture if your birthday. I'll get you a picture. That's the rule.

[Akilah]

I'm missing class right now actually. But so I want to talk about why I'm so conservative and like about immigration because I think the dynamics kind of been altered a little bit. So my father, he grew up in Macau, China. He was, he moved here when he was 17 with his sister and his aunt because his parents wanted him to have better opportunities because America is the best country in the world. And when he got here, the day he stepped in America, he began working on his process to become a citizen. And they remind her they couldn't even speak English. They didn't have. They lived in an apartment. But he was so strong that that's the only way and that is the right way and that it should be the only way always. And now that there's a dynamic that the system excludes immigrants, the system's unfair. We should allow as many to come in as possible. Really. Like was unfair to him. And he would talk about when people say like, I hate America, I hate living here. He was the biggest patriot I knew. And he would always argue like move, live somewhere else. Because he actually lived in a communist country and says this is the best country in the world and stands by it. And so now I'm trying to, I'm pursuing politics in honor of him, because he, he passed away about a year and a half ago and he, if he saw the direction the country was going in right now, he would be, he'd be disgusted because he was. He found it so unfair. What. Correct me if I'm wrong, there's like 10 to 15,000 immigrants coming in a day. When he had to do it the fair way, he had to do it the hard way, but it's the only right way. So I just wanted to talk about that.

[Mike Tabling]

Happy birthday, man. Your dad sounds like a hero. I'll give you three simple principles for immigration, all right? We think about this like your body. Think about your nation like a body. No migration without consent. Consent should only be granted to migrants who benefit America, people like your father. And by the way, if you enter without consent, you must be removed. It's that simple. Now here's something we don't talk about often enough. The real root cause of the immigration crisis is the welfare state in America. So if you say to people that if you're going to enter this country and you're going to make contributions, and I believe you have to be able to speak English and I think you should be able to pledge allegiance to this country if you check all of those boxes. But also you cannot get any form of government assistance, welfare, Medicaid, any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here. 70% of our immigration problem is solved right there. And so the problem is we got this nanny state in America and then we open the doors to anybody who wants to come in or lie about their basis for coming in. That's how you get to the crisis we have today versus people like your dad are going to say, you know what, I'm going to work hard, I'm going to be self sufficient, raise a son, young man, and a son who's as engaged as you are right now. Happy birthday to you on the age of 18. I think that that's the kind of thing that's a good story that's been bastardized into this mass illegal exodus from these other countries that we've seen. So thank you, man.

[Akilah]

Yes, sir, thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll get a picture too. Thanks, man.

[Unknown]

Yeah, so I kind of disagree. So I'm a registered libertarian and again, I'm kind of concerned about the tariffs. Being an Austrian trained economist, my thinking on the situation is why not let China expand its credit and just fall into a debt trap spiral and you know, reap the rewards of, you know, cheap goods from China and then eventually they collapse.

[Mike Tabling]

So here's a. Here's a real answer to that question. So as a libertarian, have you ever read Hayek?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Mike Tabling]

You read the Road to Serfdom?

[Gerald]

Yep.

[Mike Tabling]

Good. So in the Road to Serfdom, Hayek actually makes clear. And he's misunderstood today in the modern libertarian memory of it versus the real thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mike Tabling]

He says a nation cannot depend, for example, on an adversary for its own military. Let me ask you just a question.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mike Tabling]

Do you know which nation is the biggest supplier of the US Military today? You could probably guess it.

[Unknown]

It's China.

[Mike Tabling]

It's China. So it makes absolutely no sense, for example, for the United States to depend on China as the number one supplier of our Air Force, our military, including our army and our navy. It just doesn't make any sense. 40% of the semiconductors made for the US Department of Defense come from China. So even a principled libertarian like One of the OGs, like Friedrich von Hayek, would tell you that doesn't make any sense. Yet that's where we are today. Here's something also Austrian school economists would tell you, is if somebody else is applying a big tariff or an unfair trading advantage to the United States, us saying that we have to play on a level playing field, that's not actually a violation of free market principles. It's a recognition that the market was not free in the first place. So those would be the two things I would leave you with. And if you look at Donald Trump's actual record in his first four years, that's actually the way he led. So that's. That's where the actions speak louder than words.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can I ask you a question?

[Unknown]

Yeah, you can.

[Charlie Kirk]

If there was a policy that made markets more. More free but hurt your country, would you support it?

[Unknown]

What do you mean by hurt the country?

[Charlie Kirk]

For example, during the 1970s and 80s, we decided to shut down a lot of factories and send those jobs to China because it made markets more free and we can get goods cheaper. But it obviously hurt the country. So if, Mark, if there was a. If there was a choice where it made markets freer and it did not hurt the country, would you support it?

[Unknown]

No, because I think in the long run, it actually helps the country, and I think Reagan's administration kind of shows that.

[Mike Tabling]

I just approach it a little bit differently because we got three different views here. One is, I don't actually think that it made markets more free. I think the idea of shipping those jobs to China when the government's actually subsidizing those industries was not actually the free market in the first place. It was some made up mercantilist myth that the CCP took advantage of, laughing at a bunch of people who were at the old generations of conservatives from the 1980s who said that was free market capitalism, when in fact that it wasn't.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's why I just, I've read I used to be an Austrian guy. It's all a bunch of rubbish, right? Because it's never worked and it never will work. It's all abstraction staring into the sky. And let me tell you, when you go drive through Ohio and Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and you see the deindustrialization of this country and we were told that it was a good thing, it just hasn't been. And so again, I went to all the von Mises stuff, I went to all the Hayek stuff. The literature is very compelling and there is some truth in the monetary policy of Austrian economics that is the strongest component where they argue business cycles need to be organic, not artificial, and that the money supply component of Austrian economics is great. However, when we get to trade, there needs to be a non abstraction, more reality focused way of looking at how we do trade. And we're just not going to necessarily agree on that. Here's my opinion, is that the ultimate principle should be is it good for the country? Not is it good for the ideology? And we've been having policy that's good for ideology, not for the country.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So a question I have more for Vivek. So I guess one tariff that definitely affects Americans that Trump's sort of having to come back around to is the electric car tariff. So I agree entirely with the, with the national defense argument. That's part of the reason why Biden was Angola, to help secure critical resources from the drc. So I give credit to both, both candidates for doing that. But electric cars, right? Trump's now saying that, you know, you get 25.

[Mike Tabling]

Here's the deeper issue is, if I.

[Unknown]

May, why should taxpayers have to eat that cost instead of, you know, Chinese people subsidizing it overseas?

[Mike Tabling]

So here, so you get to the real problem when you start using word subsidizing. Here's the real problem with the electric cars is that taxpayers have been eating the cost since the advent of electric cars in the United States because taxpayers are paying for some guy in California to buy an electric vehicle at the expense of a guy who wants to buy a gas powered car in Georgia or in the state of Ohio. So that's the root cause in the first place. So I would say that, see, here's the thing, and this is where I. Where I actually really agree with the bang of Charlie's statement, which is we've never really had the libertarian utopia because we were never operating according to capitalist principles in the first place. So we've had, I mean, the state subsidies in the first place. And Donald Trump's in favor of this, by the way he says, and I agree with this, too. I mean, I'm a friend of Elon Musk. I like the fact that he's got Tesla, and that's great. We just shouldn't have the taxpayers paying for other EVs. And the beauty of this is actually, if we got rid of the EV subsidies, a lot of people don't know this. Tesla would actually be better off, because a lot of the other Ford and GM and inefficient makers are the ones relying on government largesse in the first place. And so in some ways, we're in the worst of all worlds, actually. We're neither following Hayek or Mises, nor are we actually doing what's best for American workers or manufacturers, and actually pick either of those options that's going to be better than the state of affairs that exists today. And I think Donald Trump, he's a pragmatist. He gets it. And so that's why to libertarians out there, you got to, you know, you could. You could look at a textbook and say that Donald Trump's not going to be your ideal candidate. But if you look at who actually, over the course of four years in office, better followed those principles, no doubt about it, it's not even the Libertarian candidate for US President this time. It's Donald Trump.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you so much. We got another question.

[Mike Tabling]

Thank you.

[Gavin]

Main question is, like, it's for Charlie, like, why do you feel like the Civil Rights act was a mistake?

[Charlie Kirk]

So parts of it were really good, parts of it were not so good. So, for example, the way the Civil Rights act was constituted is that now it is being applied in ways that it was never intended. For example, the Civil Rights act is coming in to allow men in female locker rooms. I don't know if you know that or not. And so the Civil Rights act has now been used as this major overarching standard that is not just about ending bitter racial segregation, which I'm against and you're against. Right. No person should ever be discriminated based on the color of their skin. What the Civil Rights act has done, passed through multiple decades, is the law of unintended consequences that it's created this leviathan within the Department of Justice, for example. Let me give you just another example. I have like 100 of these in the state of North Carolina. They wanted to say that you need voter ID in order to vote. I don't know where you come down on that issue. I think that requiring identification of vote is so normal, so simple. It is skin color. It's colorblind. Right. Merrick Garland from the Department of Justice came in and sued and says you should not be able to ask for voter ID because of the Civil Rights act because it disproportionately hurts black Americans. So what would happen is the Civil Rights act, it did not target discrimination. It targeted disparities. And disparities is different than discrimination. Does that make sense? So individualized discrimination we've always been against. But what happens if you have one group that does better than another group? There are other explanations for that other than racism. Unfortunately, the Civil Rights act, what it does is it goes back and says everything can be a script back to racism as our original sin. Now let me just go. One final point is that the fanfare that the Civil Rights act is met with, it's almost like the new Constitution. We talk about the Civil Rights act more than the Constitution. It is cited more than the Constitution. We almost had a new American founding in the 1960s with the Civil Rights act, which again I want to be very clear, and I've always been. No human being should ever be discriminated against because of the color of their skin. That is always something we've agreed with. But the Civil Rights act has become almost the super Constitution of the land. Are you worried about the future of the US Economy? With so much uncertainty in the air, it's natural to fret about the security of your retirement savings. But there's one asset that stands the test of time and that is gold. For centuries, gold has been a hedge against market volatility and economic instability. With a gold IRA from Noble Gold Investments, you can harness the power of precious metals to help protect your financial future. By rolling over your existing IRA or 401k into a self directed gold IRA, you can enjoy the potential for long term growth and stability. Diversify your portfolio with a tangible asset that has real value. Setting up your gold IRA has never been easier. With Noble Gold Investments, streamline process and expert guidance. This election year. Don't let election volatility and uncertainty keep you up at night. Vote for the timeless safety of gold and silver. In 2024, Noble Gold Investments will help you with up to 101 ounce silver Trump coins or 10 ounce silver American flag bar. If you open a qualified account, go to noblegold investments.com now that is noblegold investments.com noblegold investments.com.

[Mike Tabling]

Let me say a couple words because this is, this is actually something that's near and dear to my heart. The civil rights sector is part of a broader project that LBJ had called the Great Society. And one of the things, I'm a pragmatist. I'm a businessman by background. I look at the results. So let me, let me share a couple of, couple hard facts with you, which is that turns out that you're much more likely to end up in prison, you're much more likely to end up in poverty, you're much more likely not to graduate from high school if you grow up in a single parent household versus a dual parent household. Today you're talking about upwards of 60% of black kids born into single parent households rather than dual parent. What number do you think that was in the 1950s before the Great Society?

[Gavin]

Probably like 40.

[Mike Tabling]

Like it was even less. 20%. 20% back then. So then we look at what the results have been of this entire agenda. Put the Civil Rights act, put the LBJ Great Society. Black Americans are worse off today even economically in terms of mobility than they were back then in the name of laws that were passed to supposedly advance black interests. So the results haven't worked out so well. I want to just bring it back to this election. All right? And I'm gonna ask you questions. This is not like it's a grilling, but more because you have no reason to know the answers to these. But we're close to politics, so I'm gonna ask you these questions. All right? So what do you think if you take the first three years of Donald Trump versus the first three years of Joe Biden, where we have, where we have data for it, Were more blacks unemployed under Joe Biden or were they unemployed under Donald Trump?

[Gavin]

No, I think they were unemployed under Joe Biden.

[Mike Tabling]

That's correct. So it's about 70,000 more black Americans are unemployed under Joe Biden. Now look at the ones who are actually employed. Of the black Americans who were employed, did they make more money under Donald Trump or more money under Joe Biden?

[Gavin]

I wasn't working, so I wouldn't even know.

[Mike Tabling]

Fair enough. It's about 1500 bucks more per year that somebody a black Americans earned under Donald Trump versus Joe Biden. You want to talk about the number of black Americans who own the home they actually live in. 700,000 more own the home they lived in under Donald Trump's years versus Joe Biden. So I end up judging on the basis of results. And this started since lbj. This was a bribe. I think this was a bribe to black Americans, which earned 95 to 97% loyalty of black Americans to Democrats. That is the single most loyal group to any political party in the history of our countries. 90 to 95, 97% of black Americans tend to vote for Democrats. Without that, the Democratic Party is toast. You have been part of the most loyal group to the Democratic Party. The question is, what have you gotten in return for that loyalty?

[Gavin]

I thought that.

[Mike Tabling]

And the answer is not very much, actually. And I think Donald Trump, when you judge based on the results, has actually given you at least results, even if it's a little bit different than the rhetoric along the way. And I do come down on the same side, on the same side of Charlie with respect to the Great Society is that I think in the name of helping black Americans was disastrous. And I think what we would be better doing for all Americans is go back to the first Constitution rather than the second one that was reinvented.

[Gavin]

So my question, like, really to Charlie. So you would like, if you had the opportunity, you would get rid of the Civil Rights Act?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I think you should have a one page bill that says that racial discrimination based on race is illegal and will not be tolerated. United States of America. I would simplify it. I would not have all. So what happened is that the Civil Rights act has nine different titles in it, and you have this leviathan that was created and something that most black Americans don't support is men and female sports. Would you agree?

[Gavin]

Say that again.

[Charlie Kirk]

Men playing in female sports. Yeah, I know. No, no for sure, right? Believe it or not, the Civil Rights act is now being used to keep men playing in women's sports. So the Civil Rights act was used to help black America originally. Totally get that. But now the way it was written is that any claim of identification, so someone says, I'm a woman, therefore I can compete in your volleyball team. They come in with a civil rights claim. And so what we're saying is, no, no, no, it should be specified to racial, not gender, all that other stuff. And there were all these other provisions as well.

[Gavin]

All right, and my like, last question. Do you think like, if Trump come back into office, you think like, young thug is getting free or like any like these people in jail?

[Mike Tabling]

You don't know young thug who's getting free?

[Gavin]

Young Thug. Is Young Thug getting free? If Trump come back into office and like ysl, like, would you vote for.

[Charlie Kirk]

Him if he promised to. Pardon? Oh, yeah.

[Gavin]

Hell yeah. If he said if he, if Young Thug was coming back, like, we need new music and stuff. So I feel like.

[Mike Tabling]

Yeah, we'll pass that along. All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

I feel that. Appreciate that, Appreciate that. What's your name again?

[Gavin]

Gerald.

[Charlie Kirk]

Nice to meet you, man. Thank you. Super good question. Thank you.

[Savannah]

Hello, my name is Akilah. I'm 18. I turned 18 in March, but I'm from Chicago, so I'm doing mail in voting. Oh, you are too, that's cool. Anyways, so basically in 2014, Venezuela went into a seven year recession. I'm just trying to give context for situation for people that don't know. But like, because of the president, Nicolas Maduro, basically it was like a government controlled election. So with that, like 8 million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014, and they have landed themselves in some of the major cities in the U.S. like Chicago, like Denver, like New York. So with that, like, there has been like an increase in like crime because I'm from Chicago, so I know that there's a problem with like homelessness. And in 2023, when the Biden administration extended legal status to the immigrants if they had a work visa, I'm just wondering, what do you think, like, what further steps do you think America should take in like policing the Venezuelan refugee crisis? Like, what can we do to help the Venezuelans, like in the source? Because also In August of 2017, I know that Trump proposed a military option and he kind of nodded to the 1989 US invasion of Panama where they like deposed the leader because he was wanted for drug trafficking. So I'm sorry, I'm trying to make this short, but I also want to preface, I'm voting for Kamala Harris, but I'm not here to make politically charged statements. So yeah, just like what do you think? Regardless of who's president after the election, what do you think should be done about the crisis?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, just, I want to just. I'm not here to put pin, but I would have you reconsider your choice for Kamala Harris if you care about the Venezuelans in these cities. Because she'll just. You'll have another 20 million people come into these cities and, you know, it's tearing Chicago apart.

[Savannah]

I mean. Yeah, because in 2023 or something like that, about 300 over 300,000 Venezuelan refugees came to the US border.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it'll be 3 million if she's reelect, if she's elected. Just so you're clear. Okay, sure. So what will Donald Trump do? Very simple. On day one, if you have committed a crime, including a dui, you're deported back to your country of origin, period. That if you commit a crime on American soil, we're not going to house you, we're not going to feed you, we're not going to put you in prison. You get back on a flight and you go back there. Number two, if you are part of a gang like Trendale Raga, which is taking over apartment complex in Chicago or Aurora, Colorado, get back on a plane and you go back then from there, you have to have a plan of a deportation effort with Immigration Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security. But Vivek can take this. All that is all applicable only if you secure the border. Or else you just keep on trying to get the basement to stop flooding without actually trying to plug the leak.

[Mike Tabling]

So I've been to the south side of Chicago. I've seen exactly what you describe as. Well, I'm just curious knowing what you do, because you were pretty well informed in that question. I actually think a lot of this is intentional in countries like Venezuela. They're smart. They're not sending us their best and brightest. They're sending us the people who are criminals over there that become criminals over here. And they're laughing at us at every.

[Charlie Kirk]

Step of the way.

[Mike Tabling]

And we're giving them foreign aid. By the way, one other thing I would do, and I think Donald Trump's on the same page here, is cut off foreign aid to these countries unless and until they've stopped exporting these illegals to our own country as well. But my question for you is, knowing as much as you do about this border crisis and seeing how much it's worsened in the last three years, why on earth are you voting for Kamala Harris, who's actually been part of the administration that gave us this crisis in the first place?

[Savannah]

Okay, well, you know, like I said, I'm not really here to make politically charged fair enough. No, no, no, I get it. I'm just asking because, like, I'm gonna be honest, I'm not too well versed on, like, actual policies that aren't regarding that specifically, because I kind of had to write a research paper on it.

[Mike Tabling]

Have you voted yet?

[Savannah]

No, I'm a mailing voter.

[Mike Tabling]

We got time. We got time. So. So all I would say is. All I would say is, you see somebody who is so well versed in this issue.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Mike Tabling]

Because you're actually far ahead of Republican and Democrat politicians on this issue.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah. You know, way more than U.S. senators on this.

[Mike Tabling]

Oh. Like many, many U.S. senators. Okay. So. So just take a look in the same way you have at that issue.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Mike Tabling]

Take a look at energy policy. Right. Is the US Better off when we drill more? When we drill less?

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Mike Tabling]

When we look at. Have prices gone up over the last four years, we've had the biggest spike in prices that we've had probably in your lifetime as wages have stayed flattened. Or Donald Trump. It was reverse. Just consider. Consider that there's a different way. It doesn't have to stay this way. You're 18. How old are you?

[Savannah]

Yes. Fresh. Fresh.

[Mike Tabling]

So you're 18. It's in some ways all you've grown up into. Right. Consider the possibility there's a better way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Mike Tabling]

There's a better alternative. And before you cast that ballot, look at the crisis for the Venezuelans here and of this country, for that influx of illegals that's happening in every other domain from violent crime to our economy to now what were happening on the global stage on the brink of World War 3. There's still time to consider a different possibility. Don't do what somebody else told you to do. Not me, not Charlie, not msnbc, not anybody else. Just think about it yourself and make an independent choice. And I have a feeling you might be open to changing your mind.

[Savannah]

Honestly, I'm going to be honest, I'm not open to changing my mind. That's just because I've seen, like, I support immigration. I don't support when criminals are doing bad things in the country. And. But I also don't support it when you take what this small group did and you try to say that the entire group is doing it. And I do agree that there should my roommates over there, but I do agree that there should be, like, asylum checks or something like that to ensure the criminals don't get into the country. But I'm voting against Donald Trump because I. My friends, I have friends that, like, have parents that are illegal immigrants. Personally, I'm African American, so I've been here my whole life, generations. But.

[Charlie Kirk]

But don't you think that African Americans should be given priority over illegals?

[Savannah]

Um, I mean, I think that American citizens should be given priority over people that are committing crime in the country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let me ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers?

[Savannah]

Very broke.

[Gerald]

So.

[Savannah]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So just, you know, if you Break into America, they'll put you up in a luxury hotel in midtown Manhattan.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I actually, I did see a lot of that from my friends that are from.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is your phone paid for by us taxpayers?

[Savannah]

No. Wait, is it? I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, sorry.

[Savannah]

I don't know.

[Mike Tabling]

You're probably paying for it.

[Charlie Kirk]

What I'm getting for. What I'm getting at is that.

[Savannah]

Thanks.

[Charlie Kirk]

Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country. And we have, we have violated our social contract to our own citizens. And I just want you to think about that, okay. Is that if you break into America, you get a flight to the city of your choosing, you get taxpayer funded luxury hotels, you get a taxpayer funded phone, taxpayer funded food stamps. Whereas many Americans are struggling to even make ends meet. So thank you so much for coming up.

[Savannah]

Sorry. I do completely respect your viewpoint on that. I'm just saying once again that we should keep in mind that it's not everyone, like some of these people genuinely need aid. And also, I just want to go back to what I was. Sorry, I was trying to go back to what I was saying about like, what should we do in America? Not more so regarding deportation, but like for the crimes that are happening already. Because there are crimes happening against Venezuelans. Even in Chicago. There was a migrant that was killed in December of 2023. Engage Park. So like, and then there are Chicagoans that are like warning people to stay neutral, to stay out of the violence. So I'm just wondering.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, in Chicago, what do.

[Savannah]

You think that we should do about that?

[Charlie Kirk]

I have a question. So what part of Chicago you from?

[Savannah]

Inglewood.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, that's rough. Wow. Okay. I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. So not. No, I mean, so Naperville. Yeah, no, Wheeling, Arlington Heights area. Northwest suburbs. Yeah. So what do you think the clearance rate for murder, you know, unexpected clearances. So let's say some like 10 people are murdered in Chicago. Out of those 10, how many of those cases will be solved on average, do you think?

[Savannah]

I don't know. Do you know the answer?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And it's not a pop quiz. No, it's half. So half of all murders go unsolved in Chicago, it's because we don't have enough police. And so we need to hire a lot more police in Chicago. A lot more detectives.

[Mike Tabling]

And let them do their jobs.

[Charlie Kirk]

And let them do their jobs.

[Savannah]

Yes. Also. Yeah. You know, keep in mind the over policing of black and brown areas is also a bit much.

[Charlie Kirk]

It does. You think there's over policing in Englewood?

[Savannah]

No. Oh, no, no.

[Mike Tabling]

I live there.

[Savannah]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is interesting. No, no. Hold on. So show me one city in America that's over policed.

[Savannah]

You got me on that one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, it's not a gotcha, because. No, I just want to say it doesn't exist.

[Savannah]

I don't care that I'm not pinpointing you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I hear this all the time over policing. Show me anywhere in the United States, America, it's over policed. I want to visit there and move and build a house. It doesn't exist. It's all BS Slay. I'm not trying to. Yeah. I'm saying, though, that it's like even in Englewood of your home, there's not enough police there. You would agree, right?

[Savannah]

Kind of.

[Charlie Kirk]

But is it over policed?

[Savannah]

No, it's not over.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Savannah]

I think it's regularly policed.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. I'm just. I'm just getting to the essence, though. We have to stop the talking points and ask the question, is there even a place that's over police in America? It doesn't exist. All right, thank you very much.

[Savannah]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.

[Mike Tabling]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Mike Tabling]

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