C (15:20)

China into the WTO is a win, win decision. It will protect our prosperity and it will promote the right kind of change in China. It is good for our farmers, for our manufacturers and for our investors. Encouraging China to play by international rules, I say again, is an important step toward a safer, saner world.

A (15:44)

Now, instead of China changing, we've actually become more like China. Not in the good ways, by the way. Less free speech, more oligarchic governance, an untouchable billionaire class. We became more like them. They did not adapt, they did not liberalize. They don't have free speech. You can't challenge the government, you can't own firearms. China is more totalitarian than they were either in the 1990s. And this is where all the experts again, which should just be completely discounted, they're like, well, you can't have economic liberty without personal liberty. Oh yeah you can. China's proven you can. You can own stuff and be hyper materialistic and have no other personal freedom. You can go to the mall and shop and do stuff and still not be able to go to Church. The 1990s Francis Fukuyama end of history Bill Clinton the dot com era. We won. And instead of entering the victory with humility, we also did the 1990 Immigration Act. We opened up our borders to the entire world. And now in 2025, we are reckoning with the consequences of the cockiness of of the leaders of the 1990s. So much what we are living through is because of the arrogance and the pride of a ruling class in America that saw the wall fall in Berlin and said, we won baby. Bring in the foreigners, import the plastic, make us rich. It's the end of history. Turns out history was just getting started. Lets be honest, most of what comes out of Hollywood these days makes a mockery of America. Our history, our values and our faith. But there's still a place telling stories that remind us why this country is worth celebrating. That place is Angel Studios. They're creating unapologetically patriotic films and shows, original films and shows that uplifts, educates and inspires like Sound of Freedom, a powerful true story that exposed the horrors of child trafficking and rallied millions to action. Something to stand for with Mike Rowe, an incredible tribute to ordinary Americans who risked everything to defend liberty. And the Last Rodeo, an upcoming heartland drama about a bull riding veteran who comes out of retirement to save his grandson. It's faith, it's grit. It's the kind of storytelling Hollywood forgot how to do. Angel is also behind shows like the Tuttle Twins, teaching kids the principles of freedom and personal responsibility. And Green and Gold, a small town story about a family standing up for their values and and risking it all to save their farm. These aren't just good films. They're cultural reset buttons. When you join the Angel Guild, you don't just stream entertainment, you help create it. You vote on what gets made. You support filmmakers who still believe in America. As a premium member, you get two free tickets to every theatrical release. So if you're ready to support entertainment that celebrates faith, family, community and freedom, go to angel.com charlie and become a premium Angel Guild member today. Support entertainment that builds something worth passing on. Joining us now is a great friend and amazing person, Senator Mike Lee from the wonderful state of Utah. Senator Lee, great to see you. Senator. I am going to Utah next week, a week from today at the wonderful Utah Valley State University. All are welcome. You guys can get your tickets@AmericanCombactour.com Senator Lee, this is already making a lot of headlines. People are very angry. They're calling for my cancellation. They. They think our permit should be pulled. What? This is a greater response than when I go to Berkeley. Senator Lee, what is going on in the beautiful state of Utah?

B (19:07)

Well, first of all, Charlie, I want to thank you for the work that you're doing on campuses across the country and for your interest in visiting Utah next week. You're giving students everywhere the chance to hear perspectives that they often wouldn't otherwise get. You've been on the front lines defending sports free speech, especially where it's been most under pressure, as it has been on college campuses all over the country. And I'm so glad that you're bringing that fight to Utah State University and Utah Valley University next week. Look, free speech shouldn't stop at the campus gates. If anything, we should have a heightened degree of attention and focus, a heightened degree of protectiveness around free speech on campuses because the learning environment necessarily requires open, honest conversations where different viewpoints are examined. Our students deserve open discussion and vigorous debate and not just the same sanitized, woke version that so many college administrators and faculty members seem to prefer and seem to demand exclusively Utahn's belief in open debate and free exchange of ideas, what you're doing helps to ensure students get that experience. Because if students can't handle diverse ideas in college, how are they ever going to handle that in real life? So, look, I hope and expect that your visit to Utah will be productive, that you will be able to speak. They're not going to exclude you. And I anticipate that once you're there, a lot of the naysayers, a lot of those people trying to exclude you are going to see some real utility behind your visit there. Who knows why they decide to start these things, but each time they start them and then you show up and do what you do best, people are enlightened as a result of it. So thank you for doing that.

A (21:05)

Well, it's going to be fun. And I think some of these people that are getting very angry are going to be very disappointed because I'm the same person on this program that I'm there on campus. And if you disagree, go to the front of the line and we're going to have a good chat. It's americanconbacktour.com when you show up and right.

B (21:21)

And have opposable thumbs, I think some of them are gonna feel a little bit silly after the big to do they've made of that.

A (21:27)

No, that's exact. That's well said and thank you. Senator. Senator, I want to shift gears here to President Trump's truth social. He said Monday's court order in Utah is absolutely unconstitutional. How did such a wonderful Republican state like Utah, which I won every election, end up with so many radical left judges? Senator, what is going on here? Please take some time and go into some detail and explain what's happening in the great state of Utah.

B (21:52)

Yeah. So Utah's electoral system is under attack by Democrats and including their leftist allies in the Utah courts. About seven years ago, there was an effort through which Utah voters passed a law through a ballot initiative creating a legislative redistricting commission. Now, in the years that followed, the Utah legislature subsequently amended that law, which it has the power to do under the Utah constitution. In other words, you can make a law either through the legislature or through a ballot initiative. The power somewhat rarely used, but when it is used, it runs on a parallel track with laws made by the legislature. And so the legislature can subsequently amend or even repeal a law that was previously made under our state constitution through a ballot initiative. But Utah courts are now invalidating the legislature's amendments to that earlier ballot initiative and to Utah's existing Congressional district maps, even though nothing in the Utah Constitution compels or even allows that result, and even though one provision in particular, Article 9 of the Utah Constitution, actually requires legislative districts, including congressional districts, to be drawn by the legislature, not by some nameless, faceless commission consisting of people who, as well educated and well intentioned as they might be, have never been elected by anybody and don't serve accountable to the voters of Utah. So it now appears that Utah is likely to be bound by a process involving congressional district maps being drawn not by the legislature, but by this outside commission. And although the legislature still has final authority to approve any such maps under the court order that came out last week, that maps, one way or another, have to be more or less drawn by the commission, even though that constitution belongs to the legislature. Look, this is great for Utah's Democrats who haven't controlled the Utah legislature in many, many decades. Not because Utah voters are ignorant, but because they don't like what the Democratic Party is selling and haven't for decades. That's why we have Republican super majority margins in the Utah House and in the Senate, and why we've controlled the governor's office for decades. But now with this, they found a clever way to even the score by enlisting the help of their judicial allies. Look, this is a terrible development for the rule of law for voters in Utah who deserve to have these decisions made in a manner consistent with the U.S. constitution and the Utah Constitution. Now, make no mistake, this decision, while being heralded by the left because they like it, because it's a victory, is your cheap points they're scoring. This will make the process of drawing legislative districts in Utah less accountable to the voters, not more. Because that's what happens when you take that constitutional responsibility away from elected lawmakers and you give it to someone else. It'll also result in maps that are far more generous to Democrats. And I think that's the whole point, is that they hope to pick up at least one seat, maybe two, for Democrats in Utah as a result of this. So kind of a judicial takeover of the political process. One that's designed by leftists to advance the electoral prospects of the Democratic Party in Utah. And it's yet another example of how these independent commissions are so often used by the left to give an unfair, unearned advantage to Democrats in red states, one that they could never otherwise secure through the electoral process.

A (25:41)

Yeah. So this is part of a broader redistricting fight in California and Texas. Let me ask this. Why is Utah seemingly having this Democrat appeasing moderate streak. Let's just talk more broadly about Utah. You're a constitutional conservative, Senator Lee, and one of the best, if not the best, in the nation. And you have an amazing track record and you're so good to your constituents and you represent your voters. Why is it that in Utah, which is supposed to be this solidly red state, why give any ground at all whatsoever? What are the influences that are seeping into Utah that seem to be changing the politic there?

B (26:22)

Perhaps first and foremost, I think we've gotten a little complacent with the fact that we've had these Republican majorities in both houses of our legislature and the governor's office and so many of our other prominent elected positions in the state, and the fact that we've had those under the Republican banner for as many decades as we have has perhaps caused many in the state to not be aware of what's going on. Because you have to dig into some of these details to see what's going on. When something like this happens, then you add to that. Charlie, what happens in a state like mine, a Republican state, consistently Republican state, that has no conservative media to speak of it. You know, we've got a, a handful here or there, we've got a, a handful of great people on the radio, for example. But as far as our print media and our mainstream broadcast media, TV and radio within the state, we have no significant large scale conservative or even right of center media within Utah. It's a pretty mismatched state in terms of the political views of the constituency, the citizenry of Utah, and the disparity between that and the news media establishment. That doesn't help. But, but here again, just with the apathy problem or the lack of awareness problem, the more people talk about this, the more we can draw attention to it. I think we can remedy some of that defect. And I think what you're doing with your visit to Utah next week, which I applaud, helps to shed light on these things and helps to raise awareness of what's actually happening.

A (28:05)

Senator, in closing here, I want you to comment on the CDC situation. Senate Republicans express alarm over CDC directors firing. I can't imagine that you share that view, but if you do, I'd love to hear, because I trust your opinion. What is your opinion? What's happening at the CDC right now?

B (28:21)

Look, my copy of the Constitution says that the executive power of the US Government is vested in the President. Now, for that to mean anything, for the Constitution to hold up, for the separation of powers generally, to be respected, including the element of separation of powers that's found within Article 2, which governs the executive branch and the president. For those things to mean anything, the president, as the head of the executive branch, necessarily must have the authority to hire and fire subordinates. Now, some of those subordinate officers require Senate confirmation when he hires them, but there's no comparable restriction on congressional authorization to fire them, nor should there be. Now, by statute, Congress has, over time, unwisely, and I believe unconstitutionally limited the president's firing authority to these four cause, circumstances, or through career civil servant protection or otherwise. And that's wrong. The executive power is lodged in the president. It needs to stay there. And if CDC director or HHS bureaucrat, Senator MICHAEL President, they have to be held accountable by the president.

A (29:37)

Thank you so much, Senator Lee. See you soon. Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here we are saving babies with preborn. There are 24,836 kindergarteners starting school this month who wouldn't be alive today if it hadn't been for what Preborn did in 2019. That's how many babies were saved that year because of the gift of ultrasounds from people like you. When a woman considering abortions sees her baby on that ultrasound and hears the baby's heartbeat, it doubles the chance she'll choose life. $140 gives mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies. $280 can save 10 babies and just 28 bucks a month can save a baby a month for less than a dollar a day. And a $15,000 gift will provide an ultrasound machine that will save babies lives for years to come. Whether you want to save one baby or five or hundreds, it's just a phone call or click away. Join me now by saving babies. It's 833-850-2229. I'm a donor to preborn and you should be, too. Or click on the preborn banner right now@charliekirk.com that is the pre born banner at charliekirk.com check it out right now. So it's been a week or two probably since we've covered the Epstein situation. We were covering a lot of other stories and the media, they, they were waiting for this. You see, Congress, they brought in a lot of the Epstein victims and it's undoubtedly terrible what Epstein did to the underage high school girls and groomed them and sexually abused them. They're bringing in all of these Epstein victims. Interestingly, one of them is a man. So I don't. That's breaking news, at least to me. I Don't quite know all the details surrounding that. And NBC News thought they had their moment. It is the media. They want nothing more than to be able to tie this to Donald Trump. They bring all of these Epstein victims one after the other after the other, and they have their big moment. The media is just waiting for a metaphorical kill shot. Donald Trump. Amazingly, of all the questions they could ask, this is the one. But in some ways, I'm kind of glad they asked it. In kind of a sick and twisted way, I'm glad they did. I'm glad they were able to air it out because this was a swing and a miss and a media loss right here. And this kind of goes to show that there's a lot of misinformation and half truths that are circulating around this entire thing, especially in the proximity of President Trump, especially. And so President Donald Trump has been thrown in to all of this unnecessarily. So here it is, NBC News, ready to go try to get Donald Trump. We got him dead to rights. We got the panel. We got them all lined up. This is going to be it. The NBC producers, they're waiting, and they're waiting. We're going to have our moment. We're going to play cut 400.

D (32:37)

I do have to ask and I know. And it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment with the attention on President Trump with these questions around a pardon. Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

A (32:51)

No. No, no. The answer is no. No. President Donald Trump was not involved in any of that stuff, Period. Hard stop. So anticlimactic. No, no. This is cut 401. This is another one of the Epstein victims. Several of us, as a team of survivors, have been discussing creating our own list of names. We know the names. Many of us were abused by them. And now together as survivors will confidentially compile the names. Play cut 401.

E (33:24)

Several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names. We know the names. Many of us were abused by them. Now together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names. We all know we're regularly in the Epstein world and it will be done by survivors and for survivors, no one else is involved.

A (33:59)

There is ongoing reporting, though. This is why you got to be very careful with this stuff. Everybody. You saw this with the Jerry Sandusky case in Penn State. You got to be very, very careful with situations like this because you get a lot. You can get a Bandwagon effect where a lot of people use half truths to be able to get money from a guy that obviously had a lot of assets. So you got to, you got to have a lot. You got to pursue evidence. But you saw right there with the other previous clip, I just got to replay this anticlimactic one. You got to see this big, big wind up from NBC. We got a replay cut 400. Replay cut 400.

D (34:31)

I do have to ask, and I know, and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment with the attention on President Trump with these questions around a pardon. Did anybody see or hear of the President himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

A (34:45)

No. I could watch that on repeat that. That's the entire media narrative. Poof. By the way, if the answer was yes, we would have heard this years ago. If Biden would have been sitting on files that showed Donald Trump compromised with anything Epstein, they would have released this a long time ago. And I'm just going to be honest with a lot of these movements that we see, we saw this with Sandusky, we saw this with others. And Michael Tracy on Twitter, quote, the British model and socialite who stayed in contact with Jeffrey Epstein into her 30s and who was ruled by a judge to have endured no illegal sexual activity, is currently speaking at the big Epstein press conference. So you get a lot of hanger ons, you get a lot of bandwagon effects. You get a lot of people in moments like this that are gonna try to either get money or try to ruin somebody's character. And especially they'll try to ruin Donald Trump's character. And you saw an NBC that can't even do that. You gotta use discernment, you gotta use prudence. So you gotta stay very cautious. Remember the lessons of the MeToo movement. Remember Kavanaugh, Remember all of that. And just another one again, a lot of the people I'm sure that are presenting at this press conference were harmed and have terrible situations of them others. Juliet Bryant is an alleged victim who got money and says she was abducted by a ufo. It's quite a claim in situations like this. I am coming at this from a perspective. Number one, they're gonna try to, they're gonna try to smear and slander President Trump completely unnecessarily. Here. You saw this with the fake Wall Street Journal piece. You now saw this with the whole panel. Donald Trump wasn't involved. But additionally, we're starting to verge in the territory on this story. The way that it's going right now where this is way too me too. Where, okay, you're abducted by aliens and you were kind of like in your 30s, who is ruled by a judge to have no illegal sexual activity? And so this is bad for two reasons. It's bad because the young ladies who were actually abused by this monster, Jeffrey Epstein, who are now going to be looped into some of these liars, and that's bad. And then, number two, it's also just bad on its merits. There can be a temptation to rush into blind trust and a lack of healthy skepticism. A lot of Jeffrey Epstein victims were adults, and that distinction is important. Not all of them. Jeffrey Epstein absolutely Also engaged with underaged people as well. I don't know if it's both men and women, but men seem to be part of the panel, but at least women. My take right now and my approach and I. This is my contribution to the Zeitgeist is I cut my teeth. I have the wounds to show. During the MeToo movement, during the Me Too movement, I learned a lot. We saw the whole country lose its mind during mass hysteria. So let's not do that again. We need empirical data. And especially if there are people like Michael Tracy tweets, this British socialite who a judge endured no illegal activity and stayed in contact with Epstein into the 30s, into her 30s. Guys, that's not someone that I think we should be platforming. And we just want the truth. And a lot of this, again, it undermines the actual victims. And then you have a gold rush. And that's the problem. This happens way too often in situations like this is you see a gold rush from Sandusky to. There's like 50 examples. The Weinstein case, by the way. Harvey Weinstein is a great example. Candace Owens has done some actually very interesting reporting on this. I don't know if I agree with all of it. She's actually really made me reconsider all. But the point being is that you have a gold rush in situations like this, where you have real victims at the core who deserve restitution and deserve justice. And then you have people on the exterior who present themselves as real victims, either for attention or money. But the key today, and the big takeaway is that this was a major swing and a miss for the media. They wanted to try to take out Trump. The Democrats are desperate for a new narrative. And in the most anticlimactic lead balloon way that I've ever seen on live television. No. Wasn't involved. No. We're going to Keep analyzing this, but we're now starting to see the ghosts of MeToo past start to seep into this. The language, the terminology. And I think we got to learn our lessons from the Kavanaugh, from the guilty unto proven innocent stuff that we saw. And that's not to say that every one of these individuals is like that. But Juliet Bryan, who got money and said she was abducted by a ufo. I mean that's an interesting claim. Love to learn more about that. We're cautious as we should be because you're dealing with people's not just reputation, but you're dealing with the truth. And what you do not want, what will invalidate the actual abuse of these victims and the treacherous elements of this, whether it be intel agencies or all the other stuff, will be a bunch of opportunists that gold rush into this in a me too way to try to get cash or try to get clicks. Try to get cash, try to get clicks. Like this British socialite model. I don't know this person's name is Michael Tracy's reporting. You guys can look at all Michael Tracy stuff. Tracy, you got to be prudent, you got to be cautious. But at least my instinct feels a little bit too much like the Weinstein, the Kavanaugh. This whole thing is starting to raise some red flags for me, guys. It's starting to feel like much more of a, a operation that we traditionally would ask questions about. It's kind of turning into a three ring media circus. When there is money to be made by accusing people, accusers will appear. So we need to be cautious. We're going to call balls and strikes as hard evidence emerges. But the big takeaway today, that is a big mess for those people that wanted to take out Donald Trump. And final point, there is a massive multi billion dollar Epstein compensation fund. There is a high incentive for people to say they were victims of him. There were real victims of him 100%. But now we're verging on, we're blurring some lines. Like this one socialite who was a judge ruled no illegal sexual activity, was an adult when they when she engaged with Epstein and stayed in contact through his 30s. We do not want hysteria that's bad for everybody. We are anti hysteria and anti panic. Email us freedom charliekirk.com the final point is many of them then want to extract money from wealthy people who will undoubtedly get embroiled in the coming fallout. I don't know, this is raising some antennas here. Got a little red flags going on here because I lived through the nonsense and the carnage of me too. Let us not participate in that kind of circus. Let's be prudent. Let's look at the evidence. Let's weigh it. Give everybody due process. And that's our take. Big swing and a miss for those trying to take out Donald Trump. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always for freedom@charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

B (42:13)

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