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John Nolte
Thank you for listening to this Podcast 1 production now available on Apple Podcasts Podcast 1, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.
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Charlie Kirk
Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I have a great conversation with John Nolte, who is one of the first employees ever at Breitbart News. It was handpicked by the great Andrew Breitbart. Very thought provoking. I don't know if I agree with everything that he says in this episode, but I agree with most of it, and I think you're really gonna enjoy it. Email me your questions freedomcharliekirk.com freedomarliekirk.com and thank you for supporting our program. We're putting out anywhere between 10 to 14 podcasts a week. Definitely the most productive conservative podcast out there, if not of all podcasts out there. So if you guys go to charliekirk.com support, we greatly appreciate it at charliekirk.com support. Thank you guys so much for listening. You're gonna love this conversation. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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John Nolte
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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Unidentified Supporter
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are gon fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey, everybody. Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. I have with me someone who is probably one of the most intelligent, funniest individuals in the conservative movement and really has written brilliantly on a variety of different issues. Just to give you an idea, his Twitter name. You could change your Twitter name, not your Twitter handle, very easily. It says, let's start our own maga, Chaz. So with me is John Nolte. John, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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John Nolte
It's a pleasure to be here, Charlie. Thanks for having me on.
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Charlie Kirk
So the country is burning. There is a new sovereign country in Seattle where I think we now have two people that we know of that have been killed within that chop. Chaz. Sovereign country. I've been looking at your Twitter feed recently, and you, alongside many others, seem pretty irritated about the direction that we are headed as a country. You knew Andrew Breitbart. You were one of the first people that actually was at the beginning of Breitbart News, or I think it was called Big Hollywood back then. And Andrew Breitbart, my goodness, do we need more people like Andrew today? Can you just give us an update of how you think things are going or not going and what you think our audience can do to help? Course. Correct.
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John Nolte
I think that overall the important thing that people should keep in mind is that this is just a cycle and it will probably, if Joe Biden wins, it will definitely come to an end. If he, if Joe Biden doesn't win, I think that we're looking at a, at a pretty long cycle of this. We went through something very similar in the 60s and it took a while to shake itself out. And what we're going to see happen because, and we've seen this before is the cities are going to get very, very bad because you have the Democrats going along with what is basically a soft on crime position. And remember Bill Clinton got elected in 1992 as a Democrat who rejected the soft on crime stuff. And that's how bad things got for the Democrats. And everything that you see happening culturally, everything you happening see you see happening as far as the police, it's all going to lead to disaster. These are terrible ideas. They don't work anywhere except in the mind of a dumb utopian. But we forget that after a while. We forget why New York elected Rudy Giuliani in 1994. They did it because the soft on crime policies proved to be a disaster. And so we're probably going to go through a phase of urban blight where the cities get very, very bad. And then eventually people are going to be forced to wake up and admit that this stuff just doesn't work and it's making life intolerable.
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Charlie Kirk
So one thing I will ask though is I actually sometimes say this is not a cycle because we're seeing things we've never seen before. People in private businesses having to take a knee just because they're white but black only. The return of black only dormitories at schools like University California, I think it was UC Santa Barbara, we'll get the exact name here. But we are seeing things we've never experienced before in our country. And especially a predominant generation that we're trying to work towards that have bitter resentment and hatred for everything we care about. Cal State Los Angeles, I'm sorry, and UC Boulder have black only dormitories. How much of this do you think we can course correct and how much of this do you think is actually now just the new normal that we're gonna have to live with, you know, white kids having to apologize for who they are. You know, just. I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
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John Nolte
Eventually, it's gonna shake itself out. Cause like I said, this is such an intolerable way, not only for people to live like you and I, who have to watch this nonsense, but it's intolerable for the people that are demanding this kind of fealty. It's a terrible way to live. And we saw very similar things. I'm not saying you're right. It's not exactly the same. There's a lot. Social media is a lot different. But that's a good and bad thing. Because in the 60s and 70s, we didn't have alternate media. We didn't have podcasts, we didn't have social media. But, you know, during the 60s, everything was so politicized, and young people were so politicized, and it was just this constant everything. Their music, the way they spoke. It was obnoxious. It was tiresome. And then their little brothers and sisters came of age and they just said, I don't want to live like this. So instead of listening to Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, they grabbed Led Zeppelin and they had fun. And the 70s were awesome. If you look at freedom, and I do think you're going to see people just get tired of living like this, and they're going to mature their way out of it. And young people tend to reject what the establishment is, and young people are going to reject this very stifling, let's politicize everything mentality, because it's exhausting and it's no fun. And people like you, Charlie, and Breitbart News, you know, we offer freedom, we offer fun. We offer that alternative. There is an alternative in America. And I think people are going to find that refreshing once we get through all this stupidity.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And the question is, when do we hit bottom and how much damage do we have to go through? I mean, when you have a Sacramento Kings radio announcer that gets fired when he says all lives matter, I mean, when you have the constant digital annihilation culture, I think that is one thing, culturally, that. I mean, they tried to do that in the 1960s. It's just. To your point, they didn't have the same digital mechanisms to be able to expose and boycott and create a mob or a swarm within a moment's notice like they do today. Now they can just say, oh, we want to wipe this person off the face of the earth. One of those individuals that they've tried to cancel for quite some time. You wrote about this is Jerry Falwell Jr. A dear friend of mine, runs Liberty University, one of the few good colleges in our country university. You wrote about kind of the how he was attacked for attacking and exposing Ralph Northam's racism. Can you talk about this? This is one of the most outrageous stories I have ever seen.
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John Nolte
Jerry Falwell Jr. Doesn't like Governor Ralph Northam. The Virginia governor doesn't like his mandatory mask policy. So what Falwell did, you know, was put up a tweet that said if I'm going to be forced to wear a mask, it's so many words, I'm going to wear this mask with a picture of Governor Blackface on it. And what he had on the mask or the picture that he put on the Twitter on the tweet was that infamous yearbook photo where Northam is either dressed up as a Klansman or dressed up in blackface. And none of it is good natured. This is not a good natured anti racism fail. This is a malevolent, malicious stereotype making very light of racism, which is what you expect from Democrats at that time because Democrats were the pro segregation party at that time. And it was Falwell who was attacked. He was attacked for putting the photo up. And people claimed that they were re traumatized over the photo. And of course that's all BS and we have to remember that it's all bs. The problem is that Falwell is a Trump supporter, Northam is a Democrat and people don't want Falwell reminding people that Northam is a racist because they're not re traumatized. Every time you see what happened to George Floyd, they're not retra. I mean if Falwell was a Democrat and there was somewhere a picture of, of Donald Trump and blackface and he did the same tweet but used Donald Trump in blackface. And I wanna make sure make clear there's no photo of Donald Trump in blackface. They would love it. So it's all politics and it's all a way to protect Northam in a way to protect, to attack Falwell simply because he was, he's a Trump supporter. What he was doing was attacking racism. He was ridiculing a racist. And you know, they just turn it around and they, and they hit him with it. It's just, it's just absurd. And what it reminds me of, and I know you'd mentioned that it doesn't remind you of the 60s, but it does remind me of the 50s. This is another blacklisting cycle that we're going through, only this time it's from the left. And we've been through this before. We've been through this before. And that lasted 10 years. So it's gonna be a tough slog, but I do think we're gonna get through it.
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Charlie Kirk
So you also wrote a piece that says Joe Biden's rope, a dope, is working brilliantly against Trump. What do you mean by that? And you say right now Trump is running the stupidest and most self destructive reelection campaign in modern history. Let us have it. What do you mean by that?
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John Nolte
Well, I wanna make clear that I want Trump to win and I'm gonna vote for him. But everybody, when you talk about what's happening right now, I hear this over and over, thousands, literally thousands and thousands of times on Twitter. Don't believe the polls. Well, what people forget is that in 2016, the national polls were spot on. They were spot on. They said Trump was gonna lose by 3.3% and he lost the popular vote by 2.2%. 2.2 points. So the national polls were spot on and he lost the popular vote by 2.2 points. And he barely beat Hillary. I know he blew her out in the Electoral College, but if you look at the vote margins in some of those states, he barely beat Hillary. Now, the national polls, the average of them shows that Trump is losing to Biden by 9.2 points. And I think he is setting himself up. I think if the election were held today, it would be a blowout. I think he would be humiliated. And he's, in my opinion, making one massive mistake after another in not understanding that when the country is facing all these crises at once, if it's just one crisis, it's bad enough. But we have three crises going on right now. We have the coronavirus, we have the economy, and we have these nationwide riots. And instead of rising above it, instead of being steady, instead of being calm and cool, he's the same guy that he was when unemployment was 3%. He's popping off on Twitter. He looks agitated. Everything is about Trump and I think it's killing him. I think he's disqualifying himself. And I'm always reminded of George W. Bush in 2004. I watched that election very closely. It was the first year I was on new media. In 2004, Iraq was going to hell. In 2004, the economy was slowing down. And in 2004, the media were trying to kill Bush just as badly as they're trying to kill Trump now. But Bush stayed cool. He remained calm. He stuck to his talking points, and he won the election. And what people want from a president when everything is going to hell is they want steadiness, they want competency. And even if you're not competent, even if your management is incompetent, they want you to at least present yourself as competent. Which is one of the reasons Andrew Cuomo is doing so well. Because even though he totally screwed up the coronavirus in New York, he presents himself on TV every day as someone who's in charge, who has an answer for everything. And yet Trump let those coronavirus briefings just devolve, devolve into these grudge matches, these endless marathons of grudge matches against the media. And that's where I think he started hurting himself. And he's never recovered from that. He's temperamental, he's prickly, he's thin skinned. He's not being careful about what he tweets out, like the guy screaming white power. And so Biden is hiding out in his basement saying, I'm the acceptable alternative, and he's just letting Trump punch himself out. And it's very demoralizing to watch.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, so what concretely do you think Trump and the Trump campaign can do to course correct. There's a lot of members of the Trump campaign that listen to this show, and they want to win. We all want Donald Trump to win. And what do you think that you say this is what they can do? Do you think it's personnel? Do you think it's direction? What do you think could be done to actually fix what's happening right now?
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John Nolte
I think the problem is Trump. I don't think anyone can control him. But I would just say it is time to be boring and presidential. Get off Twitter, for God's sakes, get off Twitter. Nobody won. There's 126,000 dead Americans. Nobody wants to hear about you being upset with the polls. Nobody wants to hear that you're upset because a cable news segment said something bad about you on Fox News. And what are you doing spreading conspiracy theories about Joe SCARBOROUGH when unemployed 20 million people are out of work? He needs to stop making everything about him. It's fine. He goes to these rallies and he wants to do a rally, and he wants to have fun at a rally. I understand that. That's fine. That's a different situation. But you do have to be president of all the people. And he just needs to be presidential. He needs to lead right now. He's Just reacting to these riots instead of leading, instead of presenting himself as the president and saying, here's the plan. We're going to protect these monuments. And the governors that don't, we're going to strip their funding, we're going to. Whatever you have to do. But the first thing he needs to do is get off of Twitter and stop making everything about him and take a very good look at the 2004 election because the similarities are striking. He's also, George W. Bush was up against a guy everybody knew for years and he was up against a Democrat and he had terrible approval ratings, but he mustered through. And I would very closely watch that election, but he really needs to get off of Twitter.
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Charlie Kirk
So you also wrote on Breitbart.com, the left's demand for racism far exceeds the supply. I totally agree. What do you mean by that? And let's just talk about this now. Hyper focus on race in America, on how the left wants us to be almost a. They want us to be a hyper racialized society where we look at people's skin color first and foremost.
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John Nolte
Well, the thing that sort of prompted that piece was I was watching Bubba Wallace, NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace and Al Sharpton on TV after we discovered that the so called noose left in his garage was not a noose left in his garage. It was a loop tied at the end of a garage pole. And I saw Bubba Wallace on TV that night and he was still complaining. He was still pretending to be the victim and still using the word damaged to reflect himself, even though some would tie the loop at the end of a garage pole in a garage no one could have known he was going to be in because they tied it last year. And then I watched Al Sharpton on MSNBC and he's saying, well, somebody might have seen the noose and then assigned Bubba to that garage. So that tells me that he might still be the victim here or, or someone tied that noose, assuming someday Bubba would show up in that garage. And I just thought to myself, these guys are willing to make massive idiots of themselves just to keep this narrative alive. And it's just a reminder of how little racism there is in America. If there is racism in America, you don't have to make up racism in America. You don't have to tell the world that the Hispanic George Zimmerman who shot Trayvon Martin in self defense is a white racist killer. You don't have to manufacture hands up. Don't shoot. When the guy was killed, when Michael Brown was killed trying to take A police officer's gun. And we've had countless hoaxes, countless racial hoaxes over the past 10 years. Over 100 of them is documented@breitbart.com and this is the ninth noose hoax. So, you know, Al Sharpton is plugged in. I mean, if anybody says anything insensitive, he's going to hear about it. And he's still forced to invent nonsense. And that just tells you how little racism there is in America. I mean, look at what's going on now. We just had two terms of a black president. Donald Trump just signed criminal justice reform into law. I don't know of a single human being. I don't know even on the cesspool that could be social media, I don't know of a single human being who thought what happened to George Floyd was okay. We were together on that as a country, and this is what they're rioting over. Even though everyone in the country thinks what happened to George Floyd was despicable. And it just tells you there's no racism in this country. There's no institutional racism, there's no systemic racism. You're always going to have a few racist idiots, but there's so little racism in America, they have to invent it. And that says a lot about the greatness of our country.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I completely agree. And I think that we are actually a systemically decent country. We're systemically unracist, if you will. I think that you have to go out of your way to conjure up and conjecture. You have to just create the hatred. And it's not to say that it's not there in certain very isolated incidents, but it is not widespread, it is not systemic. And so here's a question I have for you. Do you think that the moderate progressives and the center left Americans can ever put down their hatred of Donald Trump and essentially wake up to all this craziness? I mean, when do the Bill Mahers of the world who are starting to kind of signal of it, signal this or just say this is enough. And you kind of have operated in that world of Hollywood. You've kind of been in that world where they're happy to advocate for all this nonsense until it actually comes for them? I mean, the National Basketball association is painting their courts Black Lives Matter. I think the NFL says you could put things on the back of your jersey that will be a social justice statement. Oh, the NBA might have done that, which is interesting. I don't think any of them will have free Hong Kong on the back of their NBA jersey, which I think would be the ultimate social justice statement. I get this question all the time, John, and I'd love to have you help unpack this for me. When will the left side stop this, this campaign of destruction for our country? I think they never will stop. They are a force that must be stopped. They won't stop themselves. But I'd love to get your take on that.
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John Nolte
What you're going to see happen is what they're doing is what they did to the Boy Scouts. So you take a. A program like the Boy Scouts, which everybody loves and everybody, you know, it's just part of traditional America, and then you attack the Boy Scouts because they won't accept homosexual scout masters, which is a perfectly valid thing for the boy Scouts not to do. I don't want a straight man overseeing young girls in the same way I don't want a gay man overseeing young boys. It has nothing to do with opposing or being prejudiced against gay people. It just. You don't do that. You don't put men in that situation, whether it's young boys or young girls depending on their sexuality. But then you, you, you beat up the boy Scouts, the Boy Scouts cave, and then what happens to the Boy Scouts? They destroy themselves. Because no one wants to be part of an organization that's gonna, that's gonna do something like that. But that's the plan. They wanted to pressure the Boy Scouts into the Boy Scouts cage, and then they destroyed themselves. So what's happening? What's happening? Well, off the radar. What's happening throughout the whole country is that their localities. Localities are having their little boys get together and they're teaching them how to hunt and they're teaching them how to fish. Instead of a national organization that the left can attack, it's just happening very organically at the local level where boys are getting together and men are showing them how to do this and men are showing them how to do that. It's very healthy. It's better if we're Balkanized that way. It's going to be the same thing with sports. The reason that they're going after the NFL and they're going after the NBA is to destroy these institutions. What you're going to see is what happened during the whole Copernic thing. The ticket sales are going to go down, viewership's going to go down, it's going to cost them money. And what are we going to do as Americans? Well, we're going to get more involved in college sports. We're going to get more involved in high school sports. We're just going to turn locally now. Eventually, this stuff is going to wear itself out because people are going to get tired of it. And eventually the people that are doing it are going to grow up a little bit, they're going to mature a little bit, and then they're going to say, you know what, we got to make some money here. And it's just, instead of it being a loss, Donald Trump says, stop kneeling. Okay? The NFL says, we're going to stop kneeling. And the left feels a loss. I think it's just going to trickle its way out. But again, like the cities that are about to be hit with urban blight, it's going to take a while. We're probably looking at a decade before this works itself out.
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Charlie Kirk
And so, yeah, this kind of idea of when we actually think this is. This is going to end is when I get all the time people say, well, Charlie, when's the left gonna stop destroying the country? And I'm not convinced they're capable of that. I think that is actually what they want. I mean, they're a force of destruction. You could look at almost any revolution in the last hundred years. It's not exactly like the left is masters at building. They are. They're quite determined at societal and cultural destruction. And this is, of course, more like the French Revolution. They're still trying to figure themselves out all the way back from the 1780s in France. They still have, you know, I think, some revolt every other week in some ways, and they have not a central canon that allows them to believe in, you know, first principles and in a republic. So, other question I want to ask here, John, which is just more broadly, I get a lot of conservatives that ask, they say, what can I do? What can I do to fight this? Because they feel like they're losing their country. You know, you were. You fought alongside the amazing Andrew Breitbart, who made the world a better place, seriously. And his legacy lives on still to this day. What can good patriots do from all across the country to help fight against this just advance of leftist carnage everywhere we see across our country?
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John Nolte
I would first just try to have a perspective on it. This is a very small segment of the country. It's even a small segment of the left. And it's just being blown up right now by the media. It's being blown up. I mean, if you look at the polls, overwhelmingly, I mean, it's a little disturbing that 25% of people want to defund the police but it's still 75% who don't. And right now you have the Democrats like Biden and Pelosi, they're, they're playing into all this because they know that they have to. But when push comes to shove, I mean, are we really going to defund the police? And if we do, how long is that going to last? So I think people just need to keep it. Don't let yourself be demoralized because everyone's trying to make you feel like you're outnumbered right now. And honestly, with people on the left, 97% of things we have in common with them and the media divides us because they focus on the dumb things that we don't agree with, but on our basic humanity. We have a lot in common with them. But do not surrender, do not kneel, do not spout racist things like Black Lives Matter. Be confident. I mean, when I live, when I was working in Hollywood and people asked me if I was a Republican, I would always say, I don't like to be called a Republican. I prefer right wing extremist. And you just, you just tell them right then and there, you know, don't ask me, don't ask me. But something like, but you don't like Ann Coulter, do you? I said, no, I love Ann Coulter. Don't. You have to be confident in what you believe and you have to stand up for it. Do not let them intimidate you. Because part of my Persona online is belligerence and I'm not like that personally. But it's just, you need to let these people know that you are unafraid and that you believe in what you believe in and that you'll walk into any arena and so don't back down, don't give in a little bit. That's the other thing. But stay online, work towards it. Let your opinions be known. And the other thing I would strongly recommend everyone do, if you live in the city, get out. Because things are, I've seen this before. Things are going to get bad. You have to get out of the city. And the other good thing about getting out of the city is that if you live in rural America like I do, you gain some perspective that the world is not insane, things are not going crazy. It's only happening in these Democrat run cities. And that perspective is very, very helpful. And at least when you turn off the computer and you put down the phone, things are sane, things are calm, things are normal. And I think I haven't watched cable news in three years. I still cover the media But I haven't watched it in three years because it's so warped my perspective. I, I wasn't doing a good job. So it doesn't help to hate watch cable news. It doesn't help to think you have to be on Twitter 247 Saving the World. You know, you need to get away. You need to get some perspective. I think that's, that's crucial too.
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Charlie Kirk
John Nolte was handpicked by Andrew Breitbart. And Andrew Breitbart is an American hero. Absolutely incredible. We all miss him. He actually passed away about a month before I got officially involved in the political movement when I was a senior in high school, just about eight years ago. Incredible. And so God bless Andrew Breitbart and Breitbart News and all the great people over there. Alex Marlow, John Nolte, Matt Boyle, Larry Solov and all of them over there doing incredible work for our country in a variety of different ways. Email me your questions, guys. Freedom charliekirk.com freedomarliekirk.com Type in Charlie Kirk shard of your podcast provider. Hit that subscribe button. For those of you that do that screenshot and email me at freedom at charliekirk. Com you will get in the running to win a free signed copy of the MAGA doctrine. Get involved with Turning Point USA. Go to tpusa.com tpusa. Com. God bless you guys. Thanks so much for listening. Talk soon.