Ancient Wisdom from the World's Most Important Book—LIVE from Calvary Chapel Lone Mountain

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show: "Ancient Wisdom from the World's Most Important Book—LIVE from Calvary Chapel Lone Mountain"
Date: April 18, 2021

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Episode Overview

This live episode, recorded at Calvary Chapel Lone Mountain in Las Vegas, centers on Charlie Kirk's fusion of biblical principles, American founding ideals, and the urgent need for Christian engagement in contemporary culture and politics. Kirk discusses the challenges facing the United States, emphasizes the importance of courage and wisdom, and introduces "Turning Point Faith," his initiative to activate churches and Christians in the public square.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Real Problem: Distribution of Truth, Not Lack of It

[02:05] Charlie Kirk:

• Kirk argues that the central issue America faces is not the absence of truth, but restricted access to it.
  • “We don't have a problem of truth. In fact, we have the truth on our side. We have a problem of distribution of information.”
• Gatekeeping by media and tech companies prevents broader exposure to conservative and Christian viewpoints.
• Solution: Become "your own social network," actively sharing truthful information within personal circles ([13:25]).

2. The Church’s Call to Action

[05:50] Charlie Kirk:

• Kirk expresses concern that many churches avoid political engagement, leading to moral and cultural declines.
  • “The Christian community or the body of Christ in America was not nearly as active as it needed to be in these types of issues.”
• Critiques 'woke pastors' who, in his view, misrepresent scripture or avoid controversy ([08:20]).
• Emphasizes the inseparability of robust theology and sound political engagement.

3. Self-Censorship and the ‘Courage Gap’

[14:30] Charlie Kirk:

• Kirk identifies self-censorship as the "number one form of censorship" in the U.S., stemming from fear of lifestyle loss.
• Advocates for requesting wisdom from God (“pray for wisdom—James 1:5”) and defining wisdom as “the knowledge of things that never change.”
• Describes ‘the courage gap’ as the failure to act despite knowing what’s right ([17:30]):
  • “Courage is doing the right thing when you don't know how that situation will end.”
  • Everyone is capable of courage—it is a democratic virtue, unlike talent or skill.

4. America’s Founding and Biblical Principles

[20:00] Charlie Kirk:

• Maintains the U.S. was uniquely founded on Christian beliefs:
  • “The country was actually founded by Christians, something we don't talk about enough.”
  • References the Black Robe Regiment, frequent prayer, and references to God in foundational documents.

5. Free Speech, Censorship, and Big Tech

[23:55] Host/Charlie Kirk:

• Kirk highlights the increasing censorship of conservative and Christian voices on social media.
  • Suggests treating major platforms as "information highways" subject to First Amendment protections ([25:10]).
  • Recommends supporting alternatives (Rumble, Parler).
  • Criticizes both Republican lawmakers and corporations for failing to protect speech.

6. Corporate Activism as a New Threat

[29:19] Charlie Kirk:

• Warns that not just government but corporations now enforce political orthodoxy, as seen with responses to Georgia's voting laws.
  • “There's this whole new superstructure of corporate actors that are all of a sudden acting like Democrat political super PACs.”
• Ridicules companies like Delta Airlines and Coca Cola for “values” statements on voting laws while enforcing their own ID checks.

7. Introducing "Turning Point Faith"

[37:13] Charlie Kirk:

• Announces a new initiative to organize churches and support pastors to speak out on political and biblical issues (civics, news cycles, policy).
  • Ambition: Equip 1,000 churches to boldly engage.
  • Encourages formation of cultural impact teams within churches.
  • “I want people to go from a passive posture to an active posture.”

8. Q&A Highlights: Education, Policy, and Culture

[46:28+] Audience Questions included:

• On Christian education and college:
  • Kirk urges more homeschooling/trade skills ([47:01]):
    • “I will aggressively defend every single one of you that didn't go to college, that looked down on all of you. And it's disgusting.”
  • Both Kirk and the pastor highlight the need for Christians to become professors and influence academia ([53:13]).
• On HR5 and HR1 (“Equality Act” & Voting Reform bills):
  • Kirk details perceived threats to religious freedom and election integrity ([53:38]), urges persistent activism and prayer.
• On advice to President Trump:
  • “Start elevating the good guys, right? Start championing really good causes…”
• On training young people and best reading:
  • Kirk recommends 20 minutes daily of learning; key books: Aristotle’s Politics, Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, Federalist Papers, and “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazlett ([69:26]).
• On debate style and composure:
  • Kirk attributes calm debate skills to years of practice and making a conscious effort to have “the lower heart rate than the person you’re communicating with” ([70:26]).
• On Christian Nationalism:
  • “I think it's a fear mongering tactic… I'm not going to apologize for being an American patriot. I'm a Christian first, then I'm a patriot, an American, then a conservative, in that order.”

9. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On self-censorship and fear:
  • “Decent people are afraid of losing their lifestyle. That's the problem.” – Charlie Kirk ([14:30])
• On courage:
  • “Every person here could be courageous. It's pretty amazing.” – Charlie Kirk ([18:45])
• On Christian involvement:
  • “If the church decides... to take the next election off and then get active in 2024, we're done.” – Host ([64:24])
• On economic understanding:
  • “If every politician could just know the laws of economics, our country would be in a phenomenally better place.” – Charlie Kirk ([69:12])
• On grace (closing):
  • “Gospel in four words: Jesus took my place. Three words: Him for me. Two words: substitutionary atonement. One word: Grace.” – Charlie Kirk ([94:10])

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Section Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic/Question | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------| | 01:32 | Kirk's background and the mission of TPUSA | | 05:50 | The church’s responsibility and the ‘woke’ gospel | | 13:25 | Self-censorship, courage gap, and activism | | 20:00 | America’s founding and Christianity | | 23:55 | On running for political office & Big Tech issue | | 29:19 | Corporate activism and Georgia voting bill | | 37:13 | Announcement: Turning Point Faith | | 46:28–79:00 | Extended live Q&A on education, legislation, activism, debate tactics, and more | | 69:26 | Books and disciplines for young Christians | | 77:01 | Christian nationalism | | 94:10 | Summary of the Gospel & final encouragement |

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Tone & Style Notes

The conversation is candid, at times humorous, and direct. Kirk and the host blend scriptural references with current events, employing rhetorical flair and audience engagement (e.g., applause breaks, gentle humor about college, and clear calls-to-action).

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The call for Christians to boldly engage in civic life—educating themselves, speaking truth, and supporting each other and their pastors.
• The urgent need to bridge the "courage gap"—to act in spite of fear.
• Recognition of the modern censorship landscape and the importance of alternative networks.
• A renewed appreciation for the connection between biblical wisdom and America's founding.
• Direct, practical suggestions for influencing church communities, local politics, and personal development.

Final encouragement:
“We gotta close the courage gap in our country. I'm so inspired by all of you... Stay engaged, stay involved. God bless you guys.” – Charlie Kirk ([94:10])

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk show, super important episode. Stop what you're doing and listen to every word of this. You are going to love it. But before we get into it, please consider Supporting us at [e-mail]. that is your portal to help support us, our team, our researchers, our editors, the travel costs, everything around the production of the Charlie Kirk show. You know, with all the cancellation and all the bad guys coming after people that are trying to tell the truth. When you Support [e-mail] Support, you are saying no to cancel culture. You are saying no to the digital assassins. You are saying yes to this program. And if you say to yourself, boy, I want millions of more people to listen to this program. I just wish my kids, my grandkids, my neighbors and more students would hear what this show has to say. That's where it all is made [e-mail] support as always. You can email us your questions. Freedom charliekirk.com Action packed episode, everybody. Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for emailing us. And also get involved with TurningPoint [e-mail] can't forget that. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

[Host/Interviewer]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Host/Interviewer]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can you guys hear me? Okay? It's great to be here in Vegas. Thank you for having me. What a wonderful church this is. If every church was like this, I don't even need to finish the sentence. You know what I'm going to say. The country would be in a much better place. I think we're going to do this. I'm going to talk for a little bit and then we're going to do some conversation. I think we'll bring up some chairs. I want to thank you all for coming tonight. I know that after yesterday, it was a big day and to come back to church. I want to thank you for that. And we have a lot to talk about. I want to thank those of you that are also coming tomorrow night to Ahern. We're going to have a fun event that is more focused on college and high school students. So you guys are all welcome to come. It'll be a little bit different than what we're doing tonight, but if you guys want to come to that, we'll have a lot of fun there. For those of you that might follow me on, I'm actually locally here on radio. If you guys listen, we have one listener. That's nice. Or on oh, two podcast as well. You know that I've been wrestling with this idea of what do we do right right now. And we've been exploring different options. And it kind of hit me the other day that one of the biggest problem that we're facing right now in the country is not one that it's so obvious we have to repeat it and we have to understand it. And we don't have a problem of truth. In fact, we have the truth on our side. We have a problem of distribution of information. And this is something that, again, we all agree with. I think the biggest issue is we're not able to get our message out to people that should be hearing it. So, for example, it's not that people are inherently opposed to our viewpoint, it's that they're not properly exposed to it at all in the first place. And whether that be the tech companies or the media companies in our country. So what do we do about that? I want to explore that together. But I'm going to take a step back for those of you that might have no idea what I do or why we do it. I was born and raised in Chicago, Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago. Good place to be from, right? You see, the fun thing about being from Illinois is we have term limits in Illinois. It's one term in office, one term in jail. It's a little bit different than most states. Went to a Bible believing church there. Gave my life to Jesus when I was in fifth grade. And if there's any seekers here tonight, hopefully I'll be able to make the case that that's the ultimate purpose of why we're here tonight. And once you start drinking from the streams of liberty, you're going to want to find its source. Remember, liberty is not man's idea, it's God's idea. We're going to go through that tonight. Started Turning Point USA when I was 18. Took a gap year. It's been nine and a half gap years. Eight and a half gap years. It'll be nine in June. I got my years confused and it's been an amazing journey. I go to college campuses, so you don't have to. And I've heard it all, almost at all. Brown, Princeton, ucla, Stanford, you name it, I've spoke at it. Turning Point usa, We're the nation's largest conservative youth organization. Thank you. Fighting for these ideas, we believe America is the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world. We believe our rights come from God, not from government. We believe the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written. And more and more, I'm speaking at churches, and I find myself getting back to root causes and ultimate purposes, right? So in the last year, I have had an opportunity to speak at over 50 churches. You might say, well, Charlie, what drove you to do that? It was the only places that were open across the country, so that was helpful. Everything else was closed. You have a wonderful pastor here who speaks with boldness and courage. And as I started to speak at these churches, I realized more and more that the Christian community or the body of Christ in America was not nearly as active as it needed to be in these types of issues. And there's a lot of different reasons for that. And again, my day job is to try to communicate and explain messy political and cultural issues to all people through a biblical lens and through a lens that of God granted natural rights and natural rights doctrine. And I found when I started to speak at churches, and I'm feeling this right now, that you're not just listening to what I'm telling you, you're actually waiting for me to tell you what to do. And that's an important distinction, Right. Sometimes when I go speak at some of these Lincoln, Reagan Day Republican dinners, they're like, okay, put on a show, right, for you tonight. You guys want deployment plans? And I found myself. I said, wow, that's really interesting. The country is deteriorating. Our moral fabric is eroding in front of us. And most churches, not this church, are like, we don't do politics. And let's get into that, right? Because I understand the temptation. I get it where it's like, oh, we could kind of believe whatever you want and you'll meditate your way to heaven. Like, that's not the way it works. And that's a harder message, right? Because there's kind of a punch to it. That's what the scriptures say. And so that's number one. Number two, and I'm going to offer some grace, is that some pastors actually don't know how to properly communicate these issues. They're intimidated by it. They're afraid that they're going to be called bad names. They don't know all the ins and outs of police brutality statistics in America. They don't know all the ins and outs of gun violence statistics in America. So they do the easy thing. We don't talk about that. Therefore, I don't have to contest with those things I'm here to say tonight that's no longer an acceptable excuse. It's not. Inform yourself. Be aware of the city of which you are in. As it says in Jeremiah, I promised my wonderful fiance I wouldn't say any names, and we're getting married May 8th. Very exciting. And this is the type of pastor that irritates me the most. The woke pastor.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not going to say any names. I promise. Okay. The woke gospel is not the gospel. And I. I want to offer some. I'm going to be uncharacteristic here. I'm going to offer some grace. Okay. In the spirit of Easter, some of these pastors actually believe the rubbish that they say. I know that's like. Of course they do not. It's actually hard to believe that they believe this, that they think that Jesus was a social activist, not the savior of the world. Right. Big difference. And like the biggest difference imaginable. Right. And so the woke pastors, the ones that seem to try and glean earthly approval. And again, in Romans 12, it says very clearly do not conform to the ways of the world. Very clearly. That. That's a problem. And so let me tell. I'm not going to say any names. You guys know the pastors. You can fill it in your mind. That's it. Fine. You could do that. See, I'm behaving tonight. It's wonderful because I get so frustrated when I start to see people use a pulpit and a church to mislead their congregation. There's an unnamed pastor that does this quite often where he says the Bible doesn't really speak clearly into the issue of abortion. No, it's true. This is. These are major pastors. No, I know. That's the reaction I had wrong. It speaks the most clearly into that issue, that life begins so specifically at conception that I. I knew you before you were in the womb, that the baby leapt in. Mary's womb. It's so clear. And so I. I think that's an excuse. Some of them believe it. You're seeing that happen. But I'm telling you right now that wokeism, for lack of a better term, and I don't love the term, but I can tell you where it comes from. It's not a great term. It's seeping into the church. And I think that poorly constructed theological beliefs are directly tied together to poorly constructed political beliefs. I think they're actually tied together. And so what do we do about it? And this kind of goes back to what I opened up with, which is more than anything else. The problem we're facing in our country is a problem of the distribution of information. That's really where it comes down to. And it's. It's a problem that it's not. We've never faced it before. It's probably. We've let this go on too long. We've complained about the media, we complained about Hollywood. So what do we do about it? Well, it's this simple. I'm going to give you a piece of action that no one else is going to give you. You have to become your own social network. So every single person has lots of contacts in your phone, people in your own network. You now must be go and create a physical Facebook. You know, go do what you did in the 1820s, basically, where you must now bypass the guardians and the gatekeepers and the distribution information. And you must find whatsoever is true, as it says in Philippians, and spread it amongst your friends. Because the truth, once spoken into the world, will spread. It will. And all it takes is one sentence of truth to deflate a lifetime of lies. And so the other part of this, which is less applicable to you, is we have to start building our own stuff, our own servers, our own social networks and all that. But for those of you that say I'm not going to be able to do that, that's 99.9% of all the people. Then what are you doing to spread the truth? And here's the answer that many of you will give. I can't because I'm going to get fired. I can't because I'm going to lose friends, or I can't because I'm going to lose a source of income. Bingo. That's the actual problem. The actual problem in the country is not the fact that Facebook is controlled by a bunch of secular despots and tyrants. The actual fact is, is that decent people are afraid of losing their lifestyle. That's the problem. And I get it, trust me. I'm not saying I'm above this. There's people that I just try to avoid the issue of politics with less and less, actually, probably. But in, you know, years past, like, I don't want the trouble. You've all been there or I'm not going to spread the gospel to this person because they're going to think I'm a Bible clinging bigot. Because that's what you think their stereotype is, when in reality they might be one sentence away from all of a sudden opening a door for you to spread the gospel. It's not about the conversions, it's about the conversations. And the number one form of censorship in our country is self censorship. It's people shutting themselves up. And the answer the question is why? Well, some of it is you don't want to lose your lifestyle. I get it. I'm not saying go and recklessly try and lose your job. It's not a good idea. I'm not pro martyrdom in that sense. Okay. But also pray for wisdom. James 1:5 and God will what? Give it to you generously? It's one of the few promises in the Bible which God promises to give you generously. But you must believe in it. It continues in James one that you must actually believe that God will give it to you or else this is never going to happen. So you have to have faith and God will give you wisdom. I could tell you in my life, every time God delivers when I ask him for wisdom. Now, what is wisdom? It's a great question. You know, most young people can't answer it. Wisdom is the knowledge of things that never change. It's eternal knowledge. How people act, what to do, how to analyze situations. Those are things that are eternal. There's practical knowledge and eternal knowledge. Wisdom is the knowledge of things that never change. And I think all of us would agree that there is a courage gap in the country and we are all guilty of it in our country right now. Right. Because we're all kind of just waiting for someone to dip their toe in. This is part of why we do what we do at Turning Point usa, to try to bridge the courage gap. Because as soon as someone sees someone else do it and someone else do it, all of a sudden there's kind of a little bit of a mentality. What I'm saying right now though is the country is lost if the courage gap does not get filled. And I'll close with this and then we'll do some questions. See, I'm not that bad. I'll do a pastor's close, so it's another 25 minutes. Okay. It's not bad, right? Is that people say, how do I be courageous? Great question. It's actually not a question that many people previously had to ask. Well, let's first define what courage is. It's a pretty. Again, the fact we have to define these terms is understandable, but it's also horrifying because every young person should be able to tell you what is wisdom, what is truth, what is beauty, what is wonder, what is courage. Instead, they could tell you what systemic racism is or whatever nonsense they're spewing in our schools. Courage is doing the right thing when you don't know how that situation will end. What is a picture of courage that all of you have when you think of World War II? D Day Beach, Omaha Beach, Right. Doing the right thing when you might get killed at that moment? That's courage. Right. How about in all of our lifetime, fdny going up into the building when you don't know if it's going to fall or not, that's courage. When the horrible shooting happened here in Vegas, the Mandalay Bay, going into there to save people, when you don't know if you're going to survive, that's courage. Now, I'm not asking you to do any of those things, actually, I'm not. I'm saying those. That is courage. That's pursuing the good when you don't know if you're going to be able to see the other side. So that's what courage is. So how does one act courageously? Well, first of all, you need to have someone, anyone in your life that you know or that you can point to, that you can emulate. When it comes to courage, one of the major reasons we are lacking in courage is that people are not able to list people who are courageous. We are replicative beings. So we start tearing down statues. A very courageous person that ever came before us. Don't be surprised when we have a crisis of courage. Winston Churchill, George Washington, George S. Patton, Dwight D. Eisenhower. Flawed and courageous men. Everyone's flawed. Again, this whole idea that I'm a better person than someone who lived 200 years ago sickens me. I can get to that in our second segment. And it's actually not biblical and I'll prove it to you. So the second thing about, and this is the most obvious thing about courage, you have to decide to be courageous. It's that simple. Anyone could do it. It's actually the most small d democratic action any human being can take. It is not painting the Mona Lisa, it's not discovering the heliocentric theory of the Earth. Every person can be courageous. Think about that. That's not the case, for not every person can come up, give a Speech. It's just not the way it is. I can't play the musical instruments like it was. But every person here could be courageous. It's pretty amazing. The final thing is how does one be courageous? It's a commitment in the pursuit of good over feeling good. That's what it takes to be courageous. And so it's not easy. And it's this simple. If we bridge the courage gap, we win like never before. If we stay in a position of cowardice, we're going to get run over and the country will continue in that way. It's that simple. My number one purpose is trying to draw people closer to their creator through his son, Jesus Christ. And then how you do that and why you do that unfolds from there. And I can make a biblical argument why I think America is the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world. And it's very simple. Has the Gospel had more success or less success thanks to the creation of the United States of America? It's not even a question. In Western civilization we have more religious liberty than any other place on the planet. If America were to wither into 90 different micro countries and factions, do you think the Gospel just talking geopolitically would be more accepted or less accepted across the planet? We all know the answer to that question. And why is that? I mean the answer. The answer is because this country was actually founded by Christians, something we don't talk about enough. Black robe Regiment, Roger Williams, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, activist pastors that founded the United States of America because they believe that rights came from God, not King George and Thomas Jefferson, who some people would call a deist. I think that's unfair. Even said himself that the Scriptures and the Bible are the greatest piece of literature and document ever written out of the signers of the Declaration of Independence that we know of. 72 of 75 or 76 that signed it were regular church attending, Bible believing Christians. They prayed before every single meeting. And the ratification of the Declaration. God has mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence and it says clearly that the laws of nature and nature's God. It's a pretty amazing statement when you think about it. They're basically saying, King George, you're not in control. Our Creator's in control. Similar than when Jesus says render not what to Caesar is a Caesar, but God is God's. What Jesus is saying there is no, no, no. Caesar's not the ultimate authority around here. Whoa, that's a big statement in ancient Rome. Big deal saying that there's something above the body politic here. And so then we create a civilization based on these ideas. And I feel like we're taking it for granted. We're watching it crumble around us. And so I will also say this. It says in the scriptures contest for whatsoever is true. So if there's any mathematicians out there or any scientists. Awesome. The next Sir Isaac Newton here. Physicist. Yes, yes, yes. Laws of nature and nature's God. Well, if you recognize that there are laws of nature, then there must be a creator who made that creation unfold. For example, the second law of thermodynamics, the inevitable law of decay. Force equals mass times acceleration. No matter where you travel in the world, those laws are equally applicable. Founders understood this, so the more they went into the scientific realm, the more it actually confirmed their deeply held religious beliefs. So what's the point of all that? Is that if you're going to become a physicist and you're pursuing truth in the natural world, you're also pursuing whatsoever is true, as Paul says in the Scriptures. And so I never say anything, at least I try not to, that is untrue and not factual. If I do, I try to correct it. And I think that we as Christians need to understand that our biblical commandment is to be salt and light in every single arena and every single place of influence, including government and including politics. And I reject a form of Christianity that we're just going to kind of close the doors and hope they eat us last. That is not what I believe we're supposed to do. And you don't either. You do a wonderful job. We're gonna get right into the public square.

[Host/Interviewer]

I know this sets us up for bad jokes, but I never heard this question asked.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Host/Interviewer]

Political aspirations.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, I get this question a lot. I thought so. No, I'm actually far too happy to run for political office. And so, you know, look, I do two hours of radio a day, two podcasts a day. I get to try travel the country. Here's my true answer is I just actually talked to two congressmen today. They were absolutely miserable. I said, how is it? It's terrible. It's awful. I said, who would want to do that? Like, that sounds terrible. And I said, do you? And here's the most important question, because misery for a good purpose is temporarily acceptable. But I said, do you think you're making a difference? And they said, no. They said, I'm a congressman. We have no House speeches, basically no committee markups. Pelosi. There might as well be no minority it's just basically who has more than one vote. And I said, well, I know I'm making a difference. Yeah. I mean, that's that simple.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Charlie Kirk]

So I know that I'm getting emails of people that are dedicating their life to Christ. And I know that I'm helping people think differently and correctly about issues that are the most pressing. And that I'm able to say things that people can't say because I'm not in a position. I just happen to be at a place where I don't care if you call me all the worst names you could possibly call. You call somebody. And so then I get to speak to young people. The point is that I think I'm exactly where God wants me. And I think it would be a mistake to change that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, I love it. I love it. You know, it was that great scholar Clintus Eastwood that said, oh yeah, a man's gotta know his limitations.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right.

[Host/Interviewer]

And I think you have to know what you're called to for real. So let's talk about this censorship issue.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. This is. This is a big deal. In fact, you know, we saw our own president censored and blocked out of these major social media platforms. And now I've got Calvary Chapel pastor friends who are being banned out of YouTube. And I already told the congregation we're on YouTube. And I told them it's just a matter of time before they ban us. Just probably from you being here. But, you know, I mean, probably, probably. But, you know, we. We kind of have a backup plan what we're going to do when we get, when we get banned and all that stuff and not, not anything concrete, but we've got some ideas. But, but I mean, have you been experienced censorship?

[Charlie Kirk]

And there's some new alternatives being created. There's rumble.com I encourage you guys to check it out. It's really good. It's a YouTube competitor, R U S. I post all of my content on there every day. I really encourage you to check it out. They do a great job. Parlor looks like it might come back soon because Apple's getting a little bit nervous, which would be a really big thing. But look, here's really what happened here. And it happened, as Ernest Hemingway said, gradually, then suddenly he had such a beautiful way to put things. Probably one of the greatest writers, just because he had just. Brevity is the soul of wit. And Hemingway was a master of that. And we as Christians or conservatives did not understand the importance of building our own infrastructure. And that's okay. We were building bigger buildings, churches, you know, bigger budgets and focused on baptisms, the three Bs of American Christianity. Whereas the religion of the left, and it is a religion, and I could tell you exactly who their church is, who their pope is, they have beliefs. The whole thing was basically, no, we're going to go build the channels of communication to dominate an entire country. What they can say and when they want to say it. The trouble is that we either underestimated it or we used dogma as a reason not to act. And so I think one of the greatest failures of Republicans in Congress, of which I begrudgingly call myself someone who votes Republican, I even. It's like whatever that is, right? I mean, I'm sure a lot of you feel the same way. Lesser of two evils. In most places. There's some good people that are. There is that they are more focused on cutting corporate tax rates than making sure that people that have truth be able to speak online. And so here's the argument is that if you're not able to speak your mind on digital or social media, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, then I believe it's a direct violation of the First Amendment. And they say, well, that's. These are private companies. And I think that you probably lose that argument. In my mind, Once you have 100 million users, you become no different than a highway. And so those of you from Chicago, you know the Chicago Skyway, right? You've probably driven from Gary, Indiana, to downtown Chicago. It's a private expressway. You've probably done it many times. It's private. A private group of investors built this highway. It's against federal law to pull people over on the Chicago Skyway and say that Christians are not allowed to drive on the Chicago Skyway. That'd be against the law. Right? Even though it's private. That's a interstate highway. These are information highways. So we have to treat them like information highways. So some people say, charlie, what about hate speech online? I'm a free speech absolutist. I think more speech is better, always better. Ideas will win when given a peer forum. The only thing I think that might make sense, though, is when you have all these anonymous accounts that post all this awful stuff, solve it very simply. If you have over 50 million users, then you must have people prove their identity. You get rid of a lot of these anonymous accounts, all of a sudden, people are gonna have to own what they have to say. And if they're gonna say something nasty, then so be it. And so I'm A bit. I think it's really troubling when my pastor, Rob McCoy, Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, he just gets kicked off YouTube one day almost instantaneously for violating community guidelines. I always laugh around the community guidelines thing, too, is that it's their way to try to discriminate. Could you imagine if someone would say, like, oh, we don't allow you into our restaurant based on the color of your skin because those are our community guidelines. Like, you'd laugh at them. You'd say, no, no, we know exactly what you're doing, and that's exactly where it is here. So what do we do about it? We have to go help competitors like Rumble, like Parler, and some of these other ones that are becoming out. Our politicians are hopefully going to hold these companies accountable. And it's a major, major issue. 92% of all search results go through one company, Google, 92%, and they're kicking pastors off almost every single day of these channels. And so if you're not able to speak online, I would contest with you that you're really not able to speak in the 21st century. It is the new public square, and you must be able to have constitutionally protected rights in the public square, online or otherwise.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, that goes back to the whole political issue. All of these social media giants were brought before Congress and all these congressmen, you know, paraded out in front of them and put on the show and berated them all. And. And aha, we got all these gotchas and. And they put them in their place and. And reminded them that, hey, they get tax exemptions for. For the fact that they are a public commodity, but they shouldn't have those anymore. And then all of a sudden, we don't talk about it anymore, which shows how broken our government is.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, and we live in an extra constitutional moment in our country, which is really creepy, and I don't use that word lightly. So it's not just the government that we have to worry about. And this is a great example of what's happening in Georgia. And this voting law is so unbelievably vanilla. The fact that they're. Read the law before anyone gets angry about it, Just read the law. It extends voting times. It allows Sunday voting. Yes, you could still give people water when they want to vote. As if voting's like dehydration, like you're going through the Navy Seals exercise. Ridiculous. And all it does is it requires you to have proof of identity when you send in an absentee ballot. That's it. That's the big thing they're upset about. And they're acting as if this is the worst thing ever. Of course it isn't. So you could tell where the power is in a country based on who's able to administer a punishment. It's a really good way to tell out who has power.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Charlie Kirk]

The government actually is not the one that's able to administer the punishment. Joe Biden comes up and just lies about the bill. Flat out lies about the bill. But that's not the point. The point is that the punishment came from non government actors. Major League Baseball. Really? Yeah. Major League Baseball comes out and they're like, oh, this doesn't reflect our values. I'm sorry. When I went to a Cubs game for will call tickets, I had to show an ID to get into Wrigley Field. So that doesn't represent your values. And so then Delta Airlines. This is draconian. Again, good luck boarding the next flight out of Las Vegas to JFK on Delta Airlines without an identification. Yeah, exactly. And you. They want the COVID passport to identify everyone, but they don't want the id. And again, this is not even requiring identification. It's requiring you to prove who you are. When you send an absentee ballot, there's still no ID requirement. You go and vote in person in Georgia, of which it's a month long. So what's the deeper point here is that we live in this extra constitutional moment where we're actually dealing with punishment that's outside of the apparatus of government. And you have a president, Joe Biden, who's basically waging economic warfare on the people of Georgia. So here's his argument. He says, this is so racist. Go move the All Star Game, of which a County is 62% black. Hundred million dollars of economic development for that county. Thousands of black people would be employed at that All Star Game. So what do they do? They go move to Denver, which is one of the whitest counties in the country? No, it is. And one of the most affluent counties. So let me get this straight. To try to go fight racism, you're moving an economic stimulus from a black county to a white county in Colorado? That's your idea of trying to achieve racial equity? And they don't even believe it. You know why. Why not Cancel the other 82 Major League Baseball games that are happening in Georgia? They know it's. They're only trying to do this symbolically. They're trying to make it hurt so that they can go accomplish a political aim and then you have James Quincy, the head of Coca Cola, coming around, and he says, this doesn't reflect our values. He says like four times in the interview, he's like, reading a script by that some guy in the HR department handed to him. And so what we have to realize is that there's this whole new superstructure of corporate actors that are all of a sudden acting like Democrat political super PACs. And it's one. It's fine. If you're a Democrat political super PAC, that's fine. You have a right to do that. You're Delta Airlines. Your job is literally to transport people from one city to the other. Your job is not trying to make clarity about political issues. Coca Cola, your job is literally give people diabetes, okay? It's nothing more than that. It's not about trying to effectuate political change. Right? And by the way, before they start lecturing about we're the greatest company ever. Like, how many people have died of heart disease by drinking Coca Cola? You don't reflect my values. James Quincy, man, like, give me a break. And so please stick to your mission statement. And one of the reasons why these companies have been able to be so successful and so rich is because they've stayed out of these issues, right? Is because they've actually been apolitical. And they're going to realize that, hey, in these massive companies where you live on 15% margins, when you alienate 75 million people, it's not exactly going to end well. And I don't love the idea of boycotts. I think it's inherently a leftist tactic. But I'm not going to go out of my way to go buy Coca Cola now, Right? I'm not going to. And I'm not going to go out of my way to go fly Delta Airlines. I'm not. And so. And I think that you should purchase your values in alignment with them, especially when they start to do things as egregious as they. That. And this is a whole new development that I hope you're all watching in real time. That's new. I want to say this is new. The idea that Delta Airlines, 20 years, they're an airline, okay? It's not CNN, okay? And yet they're coming out with these long statements. United Airlines, no one asked them, right? They come up with this long statement today. So you're an airline, you're nothing around that. And there's a lot of different reasons for it. I can get into it. But the bigger point is this, is that understand that the confluence of who's actually trying to crush this country is more than just a specific political party and people and government. It's in all sorts of different institutions, both private and public.

[Host/Interviewer]

I mean, ultimately, it's a spiritual problem. I agree. And that's what we're seeing. We're actually seeing spiritual warfare. Act up. People think spiritual warfare. And sadly, you know, there are many Christians who go around thinking that spiritual warfare means you gotta cast demons out of every corner of the room. And, you know, I see you over there, you bad demon. I bind you in the name of Jesus. You know, and that's not spiritual warfare. I mean, spiritual warfare is really manifested in the physical realm. That's where you see spiritual warfare. If it was only in the spiritual realm, you wouldn't see it because the spiritual realm is invisible to you. And so, you know, when you look at what's happening in the country, what you're seeing is spiritual warfare. Notice that this the same thing that the, that the liberal world is saying is okay for them is not okay for you. You know, and not only is it not okay for you, but somehow they have a voice that they can get it out there and make it sound like they're okay. And, you know, I was watching all these posts online on the boycott thing, and I don't agree with you. I think boycotting has its place. I don't think it's effective, really, because not most people won't give up their Coke. You know, I was telling my wife, you know, if her dad would quit drinking Diet Coke for breakfast, it would break Coke overnight. That's right. He drinks so much Coke, you know, he loves his Diet Coke, you know, but. But the bottom line is there's a big difference between saying, hey, I won't do business with that company, versus cancel culture, which is what the left uses. And now they're accusing the right of using cancel culture because we won't do business with Delta or Coke or whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's also hilarious. It's like you guys are trying to cancel Major League Baseball. And then you get mad when all of a sudden we're like, no, we're not going to go voluntarily. Go buy Coca Cola. Like, that's us trying to cancel you. No, I'm just going to keep on walking through the aisle when I walk by Coca Cola. Like if they're intentionally gaslighting the issue. Right, they're using a term that we've used. Let me tell you what cancel culture is. This is what cancel culture is. When I go to a college campus and, and people Come in and pull fire alarms to try to prevent me from speaking. I'm not saying we should go shut down Coca Cola. I'm not saying that we should go all of a sudden say they don't have a right to exist. I'm gonna say I'm gonna keep on walking by, for example. I wouldn't say anyone's trying to do cancel culture. When I go to college campus, they say, oh, Charlie Kirk speaking. And they keep on walking. That's fine. That's voluntary exchange. As soon as they come in and they try to pull a fire alarm or smash a window or try to disrupt my speech, that's when you get into that idea that we find so detestable. They're intentionally trying to blur those two things together and conflate them.

[Host/Interviewer]

Absolutely, absolutely. So, you know, if this is a spiritual problem, obviously you see that because you're doing something now and I wanted you to speak on it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

And this is a brand new thing. It hasn't even happened yet, but it's coming out right now. Turning Point faith.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. It's happening in real time and so it's really exciting. I think we're still trying to figure out some of the specifics of it which we've had a lot of success on college campuses organizing young people. And I encourage you to come tomorrow night. You're going to see a ton of young people that are really pursuing truth. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's at Ahern, I think, at 7 o' clock tomorrow. Make sure you get there. It's going to be a lot of fun. So as I started to speak at these churches, as I mentioned, the last year, over 50 of them from Bangor, Maine to Albuquerque with my friend Steve Smotherman amongst others, I realized that there are so many courageous pastors that are not properly equipped to speak out on these issues either. They feel like they're alone, they need encouragement, they need some resources. They might need a quick, easy to print Sermon on HR5 or HR1 and the biblical reasons why that might be wrong. And so I said, well, if we're able to organize college campuses, are we able to do anything in the churches? That's my question and I think the answer is yes. I want to have hopefully some. As soon as you think you have humility, you don't have it. So I hope I have some humility. Let me put it that it's one of the great ironies of any self described trait. I hope I have humility to be able to get into this and be able to handle this. Where I think that we need a thousand Dietrich Bonhoeffers in our country, and we need them quickly. And that's one of our main missions. I want you to imagine a thousand churches like this. The country would look a lot different. And all of a sudden, some of these things that we consider to be unthinkable in public policy will start to change. And so it says in Jeremiah to pray for the welfare of which the city you are in, to care about the city you are in. In first Timothy, it says very clearly to pray for the leaders by names, that you might live quiet and peaceable lives. Are we living quiet and peaceful lives now? Well, we're charged to do that, amongst many other things. And so it's my current focus to try and get as many pastors the resources and the encouragement so that they might speak out biblically on these issues. They feel that they're not alone. To organize the churches, to form cultural impact teams. If you have a financial counseling ministry, most churches do a marriage ministry, a youth ministry, a singles ministry, a Bible ministry. My fiance has a Bible and 365 Ministry where you can read her whole Bible in one year. You have all these different ministries, but all of a sudden you don't have a ministry that speaks clearly into civics or the news cycle. Then you're missing a huge gap here. And all of a sudden people want to know, like, I get these questions, Charlie, what does the Bible say about immigration? Great question. It says a lot. Almost every single verse about immigration in the Bible is about assimilation. It's about the preservation of the nation of which people are immigrating into. It's an interesting point. What does the Bible say about socialism because people say Jesus is socialist. Well, first of all, socialism violates two out of the ten Commandments. Thou shalt not covet, thou shall not steal. It also directly violates the parable of talents. Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

Socialism as we know it.

[Charlie Kirk]

As we know. Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because. Because, I mean, if you think about it, even communism, if it wasn't for sin, would be perfect. I mean, minor detail. I mean, if you think about it, if. If all men had all things in common. I mean, the church tried that. It failed miserably. But why did it fail? Sin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

If it wasn't for sin, we'd all be, well, I'd be out of work. But yeah, you know. Well, also, I'm only here because of you bunch of sinners.

[Charlie Kirk]

You actually, actually strike a really important point, which is where the church should be weighing in on this is that if you ask a group of young people, I'm not going to ask this question because it would. I don't want to put anyone on the spot. Do you think people are basically good or basically bad? Most young people say they're basically good, which anyone who opens up their Bible, we know that's not true.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're basically bad, broken by nature, in need of Jesus Christ for eternal life. Right. But if you think people are basically good, this is a very important point. Well, then you must explain all the evil. Right. So how do they explain the evil society?

[Host/Interviewer]

Biden. That's where the evil comes from. We were all happy till he came along.

[Charlie Kirk]

So they blame society and they blame capitalism. They'll blame private property, they'll blame white supremacy instead of like, oh, no, no, no. Every single one of you are actually pretty awful. The only way you can believe actually people are basically good is if you live in America where people actually act basically decent. You go visit the rest of the world, they'll tell me how that hypothesis works out. And so this is a moment right now going back to Turning Point Faith. There'll be some announcements coming. We're going to do pastor conferences. We're going to do something called the Freedom Square that we're starting at my friend, the Barnett's Church in Dream City Church in Phoenix, Arizona. We're going to blast it out once a month and then hopefully once a week where we're going to offer biblical clarity into the news cycle. And I just want to raise the conversation, the energy, I want to raise the excitement, the engagement that people have on these issues. I want to change our posture as a church. People say, what does success look like in Turning Point Faith? I want to go from a passive posture or an uncertain posture to an active posture. Yes, I'm going to run for school board. Yes, I'm going to get involved in my kids education. Yes, I'm going to actually see what they're learning when it comes to politics. And yes, I'm going to watch the news differently. And so I want people to go from a passive posture to an active posture. If I can even do that a little bit, I think that that project will be a success.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. Before, before we go to Q and A, let me ask one more question. I'm curious. Ultimately, Turning Point Faith will be very effective and useful for pastors. And, and it should be that the pastors influence the church. And however, a lot of pastors are influenced by their congregation. Is there any part of point faith that has a view to reaching the congregation.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And so that's why we'll have the mass media side of it and bring guest speakers. Because I want all of you, and if this is not your home church, I hope you're moved to go back to your pastor and lovingly say, hey, why aren't we doing this? Why aren't we doing voter guides? Why aren't we doing voter registration? Why don't you speak out about a million abortions a year? Why don't you speak out about how God made man and God made woman and HR5 is trying to end that. Just very basic questions and I, I can give you some, hopefully some good responses to that because the congregation, whether you guys realize it or not, you're the shareholders of these churches. Yeah. And the pastors need to know that there's not just interest, there's demand for this. Now you want your pastor to come out once a quarter minimum and say, here's what's happening in the world. Here's what the Bible says and here's what we do. Pretty simple, right? We're not asking for some sort of 90 minute lecture on Thomas Hobbes view on social contract theory. Happy to do that later if people want. Not asking for that. Okay. We're asking for something super simple. What's happening in the world? Okay. Open up your newspaper. What does the Bible say about it? Open up your Bible. And what do we do about it? And guess what? The action steps are almost always the same. Just let us just be very clear. They're like not that many different action steps. Sometimes there are. That's all we're asking for. What's happening? What does the Bible say? What do we do? There's no reason why every church shouldn't be doing that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so I want to also encourage and put my arm around these pastors and say, hey, if you need help, call us.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you do not know how to properly explain critical race theory, free market economics, the invisible hand, socialism, immigration, globalism, any of these things. Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

We do.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's kind of the language we speak. I'll call you. And I will. I mean this. And I might call you if I have trouble interpreting the scriptures. But we also have a whole pastoral team that's going to be helping with this. I think that'll be really something. You know, some of Jack Hibbs, Rob McCoy, some great people.

[Host/Interviewer]

That'd be great.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Fantastic. So one last thing because I know these guys have a lot of questions. We're kind of a family here, this church, and. Yeah, Amen. Right. And, and, and you know, as family, we don't just like, ignore people. So we want to meet your fiance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, sure.

[Host/Interviewer]

Stand up, say hi to everybody. And so these guys are getting married in May. Yes. And so we're excited for you guys and we're really blessed that. To see this happening that you. That's really incredible. So we've got some mics up here. David. We have mics. There we go. There's our mic, guys. All right. And so if you have questions, because we are live streaming, we do have people watching this online, we do ask that you ask your questions on the mic and we'll have. Can we have a couple guys up here with mics? That way if you have a question, you can get on the next mic. And we're not waiting for people to walk up. So come on up the sides over here and that way we'll make a line if you have questions and. And go ahead and just start over here and. And we'll get a mic over on this side too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Cool.

[Host/Interviewer]

Danielle.

[Charlie Kirk]

Young people get preference.

[Host/Interviewer]

Sorry, Young people. Amen.

[Charlie Kirk]

There you go.

[Audience Member 1]

Malcolm X said, only a fool would send his children to have his enemy educate them. My question is, as long as 80 to 85% of Christians hand their children over to the humanist government system to educate them, how do we have a future? And do you think there's a connection that 80 to 85% of Christians leave the faith?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's an interesting question. I usually don't look for Malcolm X for wisdom, but that's probably a true point. He did say some true things, though. And I understand the point. I'm giving you a hard time. Yeah, of course. I mean, look, I'm literally. My next book is Making the case why Young people shouldn't go to college. A little provocative. And I'm not saying that if you're going to college, you're making the wrong choice. I'm going to come from the default position that you don't need it unless you can prove me. Prove to me you need it. We need more plumbers, electricians, H vac entrepreneurs, police officers, firefighters, people that look at their hands. I'm venturing a guess that plumbers in Vegas are earning more than people that studied North African lesbian poetry. Like just. Or South American non binary underwater, whatever.

[Host/Interviewer]

So.

[Charlie Kirk]

And look, I'm a big believer and this is the way that I'm able to. Our audience is different than just your traditional show is that I try to speak for the Muscular class in this country. I speak for the people that are kind of looked down upon. Like, I didn't go to college, Okay? I didn't. So I'm the best person and the worst person to talk about this, I fully admit.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay?

[Charlie Kirk]

So people say, well, you never went to college, so you don't know. I get it. You're right. I didn't do that. I visited over 150 colleges and I represent an organization in a lot of colleges. I. So I happen to know a lot about it, but you're right. But I could tell you that there is a serious problem in this country and I will aggressively defend every single one of you that didn't go to college, that looked down on all of you. And it's disgusting. Your value is tied to whether or not you got some piece of paper from a university. Not your character, not your soul, not your spirituality, not your actions, not your family, not your. No. They're like, oh, where'd you go to college? I didn't. Okay, simpleton, go out into the hills. Ridiculous. It's wrong. And we need to talk about it more. In fact, I think there's more wisdom in the plumbing community than in the Harvard professorial community. And so I will say this. So what's the solution? We need more homeschooling and we need to support people that homeschool. We need more. We need to support people that have alternative educational options. And then when it comes to college, if you believe it's the choice for you, great, prove it to me. Say that I'm only going to borrow this much. I'll be able to pay it off here. I'm going to study this. I'm going to go find the most important word when it comes to college, I'm going to go find a skill. Remember I interviewed a young man from University Southern California. His name will remain nameless. Didn't end up hiring him. And he said, I would like a job. Really impressive resume by all standards, but I look at things differently. I said, what's your skill? He said, I studied political science. I said, I know, what's your skill? And he said, I went to the best school. I graduated. I said, I got that. What can you do that an 18 year old can't do? And he said, well, I can write papers and all this. I said, yeah, yeah, I got all that skill, skill, differentiator. I just had an electrician walk to the office. There was wiring that I thought he was going to blow the place up like Chernobyl. That's A skill. I don't get any of that stuff for you. I go find an aspirational 18 year old and pay him like minimum wage and he's not corrupted by all this entitled ideas. No one ever talked to him that way. Obviously. And I'm not trying to insult people that have gone to college and have done that. I get it. I understand it. Because you were told and you were told a lie by your people around you to do that. And I'll get to a piece of loving feedback for other people. The point is that if you're not getting a skill, you shouldn't be going to college. And let me just speak to the parents out there as lovingly as I can. I understand you want what's best for your kids. I get it. That's your motive, that's your intention. Okay? However, sometimes there are secondary and tertiary intentions, which is this. Here's the test. If your son or daughter decides not to go to college and you're walking through the grocery store line and you see a neighbor and they say, hey, how's your son doing? And you're afraid to say that your son or daughter is not going to college, you're the problem. That simple. If it's about your social status, that's a problem. I get it. Because you say, oh, college degree means they're going to earn more. That's not right. None of the data supports it. It's a lie. I could pick it apart, chapter and verse, so that's some things to think about. I agree with you on those levels. You should go buy my next book. Of which I think you're going to find it's not until August or September.

[Host/Interviewer]

I do agree with you, Charlie, completely. But let me also say. Can you get some water, please? This is the desert. He's not used to this. But you know, the one thing that I would say on top of that is don't think that all of a sudden getting a degree is a bad idea. First of all, the question is, what are you going to do with it? And if you're going to use it for the kingdom, there are those who are getting medical degrees and law degrees for the sake of the kingdom, for the sake of doing ministry, to do work that they couldn't do otherwise. There are those. You cannot go work for Wycliffe Bible Translators unless you've got an advanced degree in. In Linguistics in Bible Translation. Thank you. So you, you get your degree in linguistics and then you go translate Bibles. Hey, that's a great use for a degree. And I will say this as we look at our campuses across the country, and I'm blessed that, that guys like Charlie are on the campuses because very, very few of the professors are actually conservatives that believe in conservative values. A very small minority. But I would say that's the church's fault. If you're going to get a degree, why wouldn't you go become a professor and stand up for righteousness on campus? You know, I mean, there are a few out there, but why are we, why are the schools taken over? Because the devil has strategized for years to take over our kids. And we stayed asleep and let it happen. And so shame on us, shame on the church for not saying, honey, you're going to grow up and get a degree in English and everybody's going to think you're really stupid for getting a degree in English. But guess what? You're going to become an English professor and you're going to start proclaiming Christian values in the university world.

[Charlie Kirk]

Booyah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Now you've got a degree that matters.

[Charlie Kirk]

Want to go here? Yeah.

[Audience Member 2]

Thank you. Okay. You mentioned about HR5.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Audience Member 2]

So I would like you to comment on it. And besides calling or writing to our elected officials, what else can we do as an individual or as a church?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a great, great question. So it's about HR5. It's past the House of Representatives. It's rather stunning how radical it is and how silent the church has been on it, quite honestly. Not this church, the general church. Yeah, I mean, it expands the Civil Rights act to apply to people who think they're something different than their biological sex or gender. And so it would destroy women's sports as we know it. And that's already happening in real time in our country. It also expands the fact that anyone that holds a biblical view of marriage would be in violation of the Civil Rights act, including potentially faith based adoption centers and private schools. It would put a preference on teaching abortion in schools across the country. And I could go on and on and on. I did an entire podcast on HR5 if people are really interested. I read it piece by piece. It was an hour and a half podcast. HR1 is also a huge problem. In fact, it's a bigger problem because it actually goes to how we elect people in our country and the way we do elections. Happy to dive into that if that's an interest of anyone here. I've done a ton of research. Okay, so HR1 is also passed the House. It would nationalize elections, mandate mail in, absentee balloting, it would register every person automatically to vote in the prison system and who has a driver's license, including foreign nationals. It would repeal many of the state based reforms that have happened that allow 27 states that allow voter ID and allow these sort of reforms would get rid of all of them. It's probably unconstitutional. And if it passes the Senate, I don't know if Republicans will ever win another election again. That's their, basically their intention. I don't think it's going to pass, but it's something that we have to be very concerned about. HR5 is probably more applicable to the church and a lot of churches are just kind of silent on it, which tells you almost everything you need to know on that. So what can you do about it? Obviously I think both your senators are probably going to vote for it, unfortunately, which is too bad, which is. Yeah, that's not a huge surprise. However, don't underestimate the power that you have to make noise or your influence in other ways beyond that. The worst thing you can do is nothing. So people say, well Charlie, our odds of winning, you're not in. You're not. Well you guys, you're in Vegas. You're not in the odds making business. Right?

[Host/Interviewer]

Almost.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, you're in the truth seeking and truth contesting. God will figure out who wins or not. That's not an excuse for anyone's inaction. So what do you do? You post about it, you research about it, you organize about it, you write about it, you pray about it. That's a real thing. It's not just something that we should put under the rug. Because I believe supernatural intervention is a real thing that could happen at this moment where you just pray for two people by name, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, pray that they will hold the line and not repeal the filibuster. And so because without getting too technical, that's really where this debate is going to come up into. So it's a consequence of losing elections and that's what I can get into. Why that happened and how that happened. There's all sorts of different. Yeah, it's probably a better way to word it. It's a consequence of them being in power. Let me word it that way and that's probably the better way to word it. Do I think. I also think we could have done some things better and differently. Happy to give, submit my diagnostic report there, but I hope that's somewhat helpful. But HR1, HR5, boy, those things pass. Which I think's unlikely at this moment. We're gonna be in a lot of Trouble.

[Host/Interviewer]

And now SR1 and SR5.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's right.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because they're in a senate. And so when you talk about them, that's, that's what you want to be clear on.

[Charlie Kirk]

You want to go in the middle.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh yeah, there we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

USA Olympics.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right. Boo China.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So I believe that the biggest corporate danger to America today is colleges. I believe that they are indoctrinating the young. 70% of people go to college and if you don't go to college, you're called stupid. What do you think is a good alternative to college? Do you think it's trade school? Although I've seen, I've been researching trade schools. It looks like they're going more the direction college has. What do you think is a good alternative to that? Yeah, it's a really, really good question. It kind of piggybacks off my earlier comments and I don't want to contradict what you said, which is really important, which is if you have a specific purpose to go to college and get a skill, then you should go. I think that young men in particular should take a gap year. A big believer in that. Look, we do everything, we're doing everything backwards when it comes to education and it's been written for the wrong reasons. When you're 18, you have the most aspiration, hopefully most energy and the most idealism. So we do the exact opposite of what we should do. We go put you in an environment that suffocates that aspiration, that energy and that idealism and basically says we're going to go teach you evangelistic nihilism. So the right answer might be go find something you're really good at. Go find someone who succeeded at that and go ask them to go work for them. This idea that you need a college degree to get a job is a mythology. It's not true. It's not true at our organization, it's not true by most mid level people, Fortune 100 companies maybe. You'll be surprised though, that's starting to change. Just go ask for a job, go find someone in this church that runs a company and say I will do anything. And by the way, you might live at your parents house for a year, year and a half. It's completely opposite of what people might tell you. They'll say, oh, you have to go through all these different steps. Okay, that's fine, maybe, maybe that's not the right choice. But the other thing is this. If you find something you're good at, the passion Will follow. This idea of follow your passion is a bunch of nonsense. It's also unbiblical. It says very clearly not to follow your heart. Many times in the scriptures, many times, this idea, I'm going to go follow my passion so I can go be a post modernist artist. Yeah, okay. You'll be serving me Starbucks in about a decade.

[Host/Interviewer]

It'll go really well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bunch of nonsense artistic coffees, though. Exactly. Every person here has a skill. Everyone. People's eyes light up. Young people all the time. I say, what are you good at? No one's ever asked them that question. These guidance counselors say, what do you want to do? What a dumb question. They don't know what they want to do. They're 18 years old. I didn't know what I wanted to do. Instead, I was good at speaking. That's what I was good at. I loved it. So then I kind of built a whole thing around it. So find what you're good at. Skill. You might say, well, I don't like my skill. It's probably not totally true because once you start to get up the proficiency ladder, you'll find a way to do it. That's the right question to ask a young person, what are you good at? Go follow that. The passion thing has screwed everything up. Eventually the passion will come. Trust me, it will. If I followed my passion, it would have been. Been miserable. I would. I would have went into basketball or whatever. Like, that's my real passion. By the way, did Gonzaga win? Because I see that. No. No.

[Host/Interviewer]

Good.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm sorry. I'm just.

[Host/Interviewer]

I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. I'm not.

[Host/Interviewer]

Not good.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. I'm sorry. I don't know. See, that's where my. That's. That's where I'm kind of in two places. Final thing I'll say is this. The final thing I'll say is this. Make a commitment that you'll work harder than the next person, the person next to you. It's that simple. If you. If you are pathological about how hard you work, you could succeed in anything. It's the heart. It's the hardest attribute I could find in the world.

[Host/Interviewer]

You know, I think along the line of what he was saying about taking a year off, not taking a year off to sleep in. Really. I mean, kids nowadays, they think that somehow they need to sleep till 11 and then maybe get a shower and then go play games for a while.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then.

[Host/Interviewer]

And then I'm going to look on the online to see if I can Find a job. I mean, if you're not seriously pursuing it, it's not going to come to you sitting on the couch playing Nintendo or whatever kids play nowadays, you know, so it's really, if you're going to take the year off, be serious about it and really start researching what you're good at. I mean, we have more information at our fingertips than ever in history. When I was in high school, I didn't have the Internet to go to, you know, I guess I'm that old, you know, I couldn't go Google anything because Google what didn't exist as a company, you know, but nowadays you guys have the ability to research everything. And you know, sadly, because there's so much data, all these kids are super wide on knowledge, but no depth, you know, and so, but find that thing that really, that you go, oh, I understand that. And dig deep into that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And let me add one other thing for parents out there. You need to create way more pressure for your kids. You need to put them in a pressure cooker. It's the best thing my parents ever did. My parents said, you're paying for college yourself. Good luck. You guys. Doing that good. Make them, make them borrow the money. Make them figure it out. Say good luck. Some parents are saying, what?

[Host/Interviewer]

What? Charlie, a two part question. If you had five minutes with President

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump, what advice would you give him? Number one? Number two, would you tell him 20, 24, please? Well, I do know him quite well and so, and I did talk to him. If he decides to run, we'll see what happens. And I think it's too early. I think we need him out there now. That was what I, last time I talked to him. And so, yeah, you know, I met with him recently, I said, look, we're getting killed out here, man. Like, just please, can you just distract these maniacs for like a week, please? You know what I mean? Like, can you just go do a big event and just like have them stop start talking about you so I could, you know what I mean? Like, it's a little bit of, like a little bit of a smokescreen thing. But the point is that I get that he's a little, I don't think he's tired. I don't think that. I just think that he's maybe just done with it because he feel like he was burned. We're still here and I'm going to see him soon. I'm going to say, look, start doing rallies, start giving, start elevating the good guys, right? Start getting back out there. Start. Start champion. It's less. About 2024 will figure itself out. Start Champion. Champion. Really good causes. People that are contesting for truth. Use your platform out there. He says he's gonna do a lot of different things. These legislative fights are happening now. Right. And so I would just be. I would really be upset, quite honestly. And he's a friend of mine. I wrote a whole book about it. If all of a sudden these things all get passed into law and he didn't do, like, any public displays of support, I don't think that's gonna happen. So my advice to him and pray for this, is that he's gonna get into an active position because we need him right now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, he's actually talking about doing rallies already. So. Yeah, I think he's listening to you and a lot of people probably saying that to him. So. And let me also say this. If the church decides, as it traditionally does, to take the next election off and then get active in 2024, we're done. We can't let take 2022 off. We have. We have huge, huge things happening in 2022. And right now, the church should be involved in dealing with getting laws in place, like in Georgia, to deal with election fraud, because we can't. We don't stand a chance if we don't deal with that first. I don't think anybody should run for office until we deal with election law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Period. Yeah. You don't have a chance. So where are we going? Over here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Over here. I like that shirt. It's a Turning Point shirt.

[Host/Interviewer]

Her daughter is Turning Point. That's with the holding the mic right there.

[Charlie Kirk]

So awesome.

[Audience Member 2]

Charlie. First, I wanted to thank you so much for the encouragement that you gave the entire nation right after the election when it was stolen.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 2]

Thank you for that. I homeschool, and I still have three kids at home, and I am always. Well, I listen to you daily.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 2]

And I'm just amazed at the stuff that you know. And I just would like you to share with me maybe some things that would. You would encourage me to pour into my kids. Maybe. Who was your biggest influencer? Maybe. What was your favorite book?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Thank you. Well, first of all, thank you for listening. And. And that really means a lot. It really touches me. Thank you. So, yeah. Something I've taken more seriously in recent years, especially as we did the podcast and the radio show. And I encourage all of you people say, what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? One of the action points is I Think that we gotta learn more. We gotta get deeper into these ideas. You gotta know your Washington from your Madison, your Hamilton from your Jefferson. You gotta know the Federalist Papers, the Declaration of the Magna Carta. So the Mayflower Compact. Now, if it's intimidating for you, that's okay. It was for me too. But I took it very seriously and I said, you know what? God's given me this platform. I gotta know this stuff really well. For no other reason than if people are trusting me with a platform, then I have to become a subject matter expert on it. So two hours a day, no phone. I learn. It's like on my schedule, it's on my agenda. I open up my laptop and I'll take a Hillsdale online course, or I'll go watch a great lecture or read a great book. I learn the best when someone is talking. It's just how I learn the best. Some of you might be more of a reading. Reading puts me to sleep. Literally. I read before I go to sleep. Everyone's different though, right? For some people, maybe that's stimulating. And so I tell people, you're not going to be able to probably do two hours because that's literally my job. I factor it in because then I'm able to do radio shows and podcasts that hopefully are able to be action oriented and true. I think that if every single person watching this and here right now and listening to the podcast, because we're going to, with your permission, repost this as a podcast.

[Host/Interviewer]

Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

If everyone here said, you know what, I'm going to take 20 minutes a day and either listen to my show or I'm going to learn something new. And you keep a diary of what you learned every single day, One new thing every day. That's what I do. I try to make it 10 things. And I don't remember them all. I don't, But I remember about 40% of it. So then I'm 40% smarter a year from today. That's a pretty good thing, right? You do that over a decade, you're 400% smart.

[Host/Interviewer]

Smarter, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

And all of a sudden, and then you might forget some things that you got to read through the notes, but then you'll relearn it quicker. And so look, it says in Isaiah, I think Isaiah 1, let us reason together. Right? If I'm not mistaken, that we have to become subject matter experts on it. Here's the amazing thing that happens, everybody. I'm telling you, as soon as you go read the Federalist Papers, all of a sudden you're like, oh, that's what we do. Whatever that is, It'll come to you. To know the road ahead. Ask those coming back if you dive into these great works and so answer specifically, Aristotle's book on politics and ethics is unbelievable. It's not that hard to read. It isn't. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is absolutely terrific. Anything by the Federalist Papers, anything written by Jefferson and Madison in particular. And then understanding the ideas that went into the Declaration. Let's just stop there. And then if I had to just say the one. If I. If you said, Charlie. A magic wand. If every politician could know this, if every politician could just know the laws of economics, our country would be in a phenomenally better place.

[Host/Interviewer]

Not Canadian.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no. Not Keynesian. Is not the laws.

[Audience Member 1]

That's like.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's. That's heresy. Keynesian economics, it's just very simple. What are markets? What is private property? What is voluntary exchange?

[Host/Interviewer]

What is a border?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right? Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Supply and demand. Like, super simple stuff. So I. And so there's a great book for this if you guys want to write it down. It's called Economics in One Lesson. It's by Henry Hazlett. Super easy. Every person in the country should be required to read this. It would be a better place. Economics in One Lesson. So thank you.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, let's come to the middle here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 2]

Hi. I just first want to say God bless you for everything you and your team do. I mean, you. Thank you guys are a breath of fresh air. It's so nice. My question is. And I've been watching your. I've been watching and listening to you for quite a while.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 2]

And I love when you're on the college campuses, like, I love it. I even laugh my head off and everything. But my question is, and I've been dying to ask is, what in the world goes on in your head when the other person's going crazy and you're so methodical in your thinking? I mean, is it because you're so analytical, you're so calm.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 2]

I mean, I've been called the racist so many times.

[Host/Interviewer]

I've seen you not calm a few

[Charlie Kirk]

times, but, yeah, I know it's true. I've lost my pool before. I have. So it's been. It's no different than when you see someone at the top of their game. I'm not saying at the top of the game in athletics, all of a sudden do something with precision. It came with 40,000 hours of practice, so I do two hours of radio. Two hours of learning a day. I've done that for nine. About five and a half years. Really? Seriously, I speak over 330 times a year. Wow, 330 times a year outside of that. Right. Almost every single day. And so then I also go through simulations of keeping myself composed, keep myself. And I know their literature. I know what they're going to say almost before they say it. Right. And I mess up plenty. Trust me, you could find plenty of clips online where I look less than desirable. Those, thankfully, have been diminishing. And the ones that I say, true things are increasing. We're all human beings, right? We all mess up. But then I also learned from them. And so this is something I learned early on, though, and I made up. I made a conscious decision to get better at it. And actually, it's not my nature. It's actually, I've had to repress my nature and retrain myself, which is have the lower heart rate than the person you're communicating with. It's not my nature. It's not. It's not who I am. It's actually I've had to retrain myself biochemically and there's moments where I just, you know. Yeah, exactly. So. But they're rarer and rarer and hopefully I'll be able to eliminate them. Where I realize that style can matter a lot more than substance, that people are going to be won over. Whether or not you're able to stay in control, stay factual, stay precise and not scream and yell and do all these different things. You might be saying things that are 100% true, but you're just making a whole scene out of it and you might lose. But I appreciate the compliment, but I want to just tell you, anyone can have that sort of whatever self control that you might. You might believe is communicated. I'm going to use that as an opportunity for a shameless plug, which is if you guys are not yet subscribed to our podcast and you guys want to. You got your hearing about it. We do two podcasts a day and every single phone that you guys have as a podcast app in there, this is one of the ways that we can prevent ourselves from being canceled. If every person typed in the Charlie Kirk show to your podcast app and hit subscribe tonight, we beat the New York Times in the podcast charts by tomorrow morning. So if you guys could do it, it would really help us out. And if you don't know, you're like, how do we do that? How old are you? Like nine? Ask him.

[Host/Interviewer]

So Oh, I think you have no.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're 8, right? 11.

[Audience Member 2]

11.

[Host/Interviewer]

11. Isaac, how old are you?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't. I 13.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Don't guess ages. That's like asking a woman if she's pregnant at the door. You never do that. My wife told me, never ask a woman if she's pregnant because if she's not. Wow, you are in so much trouble. All right, we are.

[Charlie Kirk]

We.

[Host/Interviewer]

We need to start rounding up.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we got a couple more. I'm happy to stay for a. Of couple.

[Host/Interviewer]

Okay, good, good, good.

[Charlie Kirk]

How can we, as a multiracial band that's touring the US trying to bring this nation back under God, get woke people to wake up and can we become ambassadors of Turning Point faith? Yes. Well, first of all, I love the work you guys do. It is awesome. And you helped my friend Mike McClure when he needed your help. So God bless you. You are a hero in my book. And so Mike McClure opened his church, Calvary Chapel, San Jose. We're actually going to event here later this week. And he's facing two and a half million dollars in fines. And you guys were there to help him. Not everyone was. So you guys deserve to be commended for that. And he's a friend of mine. He's terrific. He's another Calvary guy. So what can you do? First of all, your question is so great because sometimes when you're trying to win over the woke, it's a very frustrating exercise. Try your best to make sure that the conversation from their perspective is not them acute. They understand that your intentions are correct. This is a very important thing that I'm sure all of you have dealt in arguments in one way or the other that they immediately say, you're a bad person. You don't mean well. So before you even begin anything, you should say, hey, can we agree that my heart wants the right thing for this? That's a big deal. Because from that point forward, then you're able to have an actual conversation of how to get to that desired objective. And so look, I also believe that there are such obvious limitations on the woke sanity that is kind of plaguing our country. Right. And I would just own the gospel. Paul says very clearly that it's neither slave nor Greek nor Jew. We're all one in Jesus Christ. The hyper fixation on skin color I think is really destructive. I really do. I think that I grew up in an America that for a moment in time, I went to a very multiracial school. It was 53% Hispanic and we were told that if you care about people's skin color, you're the racist. Now we're told that if you don't care about people's skin color, that you're somehow the racist. And the high school I went to, actually, things really worked. And I'm not saying that anyone for any moment, that there's not hatred and there's not division, all these sorts of things. I actually think there's a supply and demand problem with racism in our country. I think that there's such a low supply of racist and such a high demand that anytime you find, when it makes national news, I think we're the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world. I think that we are so decent to each other that we don't give ourselves credit considering the backgrounds and the races that people come from. So the advice I have for you is live out the gospel every single day, no matter what people call you, with love and compassion and grace and mercy, but 100% truth. Never waver. Do with a smile, be that kind of happy cheerful that I know your entire group is. But I could tell you this, that most people that believe in the woke sanity, deep down, they actually want to do well. They really do. They just think that they're doing well through this complete and total utter nonsense. And then I'll say, hey, you can break free from this. And the gospel actually runs up against it. So I hope that's somewhat helpful and thank you for your kind words. I deeply appreciate that. Thank you.

[Host/Interviewer]

So now this next question is real important because it comes from our youth Pastor Jacob.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wonderful.

[Host/Interviewer]

So it's not my question. It's from one of the youths that checks.

[Charlie Kirk]

It says, what do you have to

[Host/Interviewer]

say about Christian nationalism?

[Charlie Kirk]

And is it something Christians should actively be trying to combat against? Yeah, I got this question. I would need someone to define it exactly what that is. Yeah, I'm just kind of. It's kind of a leftist term. You know, I don't really know Christians that call themselves Christian nationalists. So I'm kind of perplexed by. I think what they're trying to say is. And again, I'm just conjecturing here because there's a whole New York Times piece on this the other day. Is Christians that try to merge their belief in God and the gospel with their love of their country. And I love America because I love my God. And I'm a Christian first, then I'm a patriot, an American, then a conservative, in that order. And it's always that order. And America's a unique country because we have a trinity just like the Christian Trinity. It's liberty in God we Trust and E Pluribus Unum. All three of those are biblical values and virtues. We have Moses staring at the speaker of the House. I just wish Nancy Pelosi would look. If you go into the House of Representatives, the administer of the law, the idea of the three branches of government comes directly out of Isaiah. And so I'm not going to apologize for being an American patriot. I'm not saying that my love for my country in any way usurps my love of Jesus by any means. But I also, I'm not going to apologize for a nation that's been a moral good inspired by the teachings of the Bible and has been more benevolent, more generous, more creative, more productive, more forward thinking and more open minded than any other nation ever to exist in the history of the world. I'm not going to apologize for that. And insofar that I see the mission to bring people to Jesus and eternal life, I actually think it's made possible and easier thanks to open societies like the United States of America. So I think the. I would just need someone to define it because I think that it's kind of a fear mongering tactic where like no one actually is like, yeah, I'm a Christian nationalist. Like I don't really understand that. So I don't. You know what I mean? Like I'm just trying to build out what I think they're trying to. And I think what they're trying to say is this is there's a dangerous trend of pastors that are speaking out morally and that might be a threat to our power. So we're going to try to demonize it. And I reject that completely, categorically and totally. And so let me just say again that pastors founded this country, the church founded this country. It is unmistakable. And the church will either decide to save this country or, or forsake this country. It's that simple. That's the nexus point that we're at. Thank you, I appreciate that.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. And reality is, as Christians, we're called to be nationalists and globalists. The problem with nationalism is when you're nationalist at the expense of being globalist, then you miss the whole point. You know, we are called to be good citizens, period. We're called to impact our society. We're called to honor Caesar, we're called to submit to authorities as long as they're not calling us to disobey the Lord. But at the Same time, Jesus said, go and make disciples of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth. And the problem is the church has lost sight of the mission we've been given. And that is, hey, while we are to be to give our all to our nation as good citizens, we're not to neglect our greater call. And so anything you call nationalist, I get concerned about because now you're saying, hey, let's make an ism out of it. And the second you start making an ism out of it, we have a problem.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And let me say one other thing, which is the most important thing you can give is your life to Jesus Christ. The second most important thing is to make sure you could do the first thing. And that's why I'm also involved in this fight, which is when you shut down the church, you allow abortion factories to stay open, and most of the rest of the world right now is getting less religiously tolerant, not more religiously tolerant. I'm gonna care about the second thing or else we're gonna be sharing the gospel from prison. And that's the pattern of despots, tyrants and dictators. And so I completely agree that if you make it into kind of an idol or something, that it's a problem. But I also think it's kind of a fear mongering tactic by the left to try to suppress political involvement. I'm behalf of Christians.

[Host/Interviewer]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right here.

[Audience Member 1]

First of all, I just want to thank you for pushing forward that abortion is a sin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Audience Member 1]

That is incredible. Especially in today's. Yeah, let's give him a round of applause for that one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 1]

That being said, you know, you mentioned the Bible and scripture a lot, which I love. But do you believe that with your influence and Turning Point USA that you should push forward the idea of traditional marriage, restrictions on the access of pornography for minors, and, you know, a whole host of other social issues that the Bible is very clear on. So I wanted to hear your position on these issues and whether or not you believe we should elect representatives that will act in favor of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Absolutely, yeah. And I talk about it often. I believe marriage is one man, one woman, uncompromised. I've said it once and I'll say

[Host/Interviewer]

it again, and

[Charlie Kirk]

I think marriage is a covenant in front of the Lord and we must take that very seriously. For the other issue, absolutely. I think that there's this kind of, this, it's really interesting, the free speech issue when it comes to pornography. That's the only time the left Decides to all of a sudden love free speech. Isn't that interesting? It's like, oh, yeah, we're going to become ambassadors for the worst thing imaginable. But if you dare have a live stream where you preach the gospel, you're hate speech. Really? So, yeah, if you would have asked me like 10 years ago, I probably would have been like more libertarian on it, but I think it is so horrific and the external consequence of what's happening and it's predatory in nature for the people involved. So I've talked about that before. I've done entire speeches on it. So I appreciate that. But yeah, look, I think that we as Christians must be clear that what's happening in our country right now with young people in particular is that they are being told this lie of self indulgence and almost nihilism. And it really is nihilism at its core. And we have the truth. And it's actually this amazing. It's contrary to what people might think. And I tell this to youth pastors all the time, which is what's in the hall of the Harvard Law School. It is the greatest, most on its face, contradicting statement, but biblically true statement. The law are the wise restraints that keep you free. What you're trying to tell me restraints keep me free? Anyone who has lived outside of a college campus knows this is true. Anyone that what you don't do actually makes you more free. Think about that. It's the opposite, isn't it? Is that you would say, because the world says, no, no, no, it's more, it's another, and it's bigger, or it's one more dopamine rush or one more thing. When in reality it's like, no, you're actually going to be a slave to that further and further and further. And so I speak out it a lot. Actually, I gave an entire speech in Cleveland on that. You can check out the podcast. So I appreciate that very much. Thank you.

[Host/Interviewer]

Good question.

[Audience Member 2]

I feel the need to tell you that I actually talked my daughter into dropping out of college.

[Charlie Kirk]

Terrific.

[Audience Member 2]

Actually working with her hands and she's loving it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Great.

[Audience Member 2]

And I'm also part of a prayer ministry where I send on prayer request a long prayer to a bunch of people. And the lady who heads it up said when I told her I was come to see you tonight, she goes, ask him what he wants us to pray for. Yes, you've already hit up on a couple of things. And then the guy in front of me staged me up and asked you to pray. But Is there anything else that you can tell us that you think we need to be praying for?

[Charlie Kirk]

We need to pray for courage for believers, and we also need to pray for wisdom, as I keep on using that word, because we're lacking it so sorely right now, so miserably, I should say. And so those are the things we should be praying for. And then pray for a supernatural event, because I believe we do serve a supernatural God and we could use a miracle or two right now.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 2]

Hi. I also have a question from one of the youth.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Audience Member 2]

And they asked, how do you respond to the claim that pro lifers can only be pro life, they also condemn the death penalty?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, it's a great question. So first of all, usually if you get. Let me actually tell you my position on the death penalty, which is a little more nuanced than it used to be. First of all, if you're getting the death penalty, you probably did something convicted by the jury of your peers a little bit different than someone who's in the womb that's all of a sudden getting a punishment that they didn't deserve. So there's a huge difference of it. But I actually tend to not be in favor of the death penalty for a different reason. Just because of how many innocent people have been killed by using the death penalty. I actually have stopped Dennis Prager and I went back and forth on this for years, and he made the best point. And there's a great. For all you young people out there, write this in your journal and look at every day. A wise man is happily and easily corrected every day. Write that. That should be your mission statement every day you go to school. Okay. And so I Talking to Dennis Prager and he made the. Go back and forth on this stuff. You guys know Dennis. He's the best. And he's very pro death penalty.

[Host/Interviewer]

Very.

[Charlie Kirk]

And he said, Charlie, if on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, a dictator came out and said, if you kill on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you don't get the death penalty, you think there'd be more murders on those days? I said, that is a good point. It's a really good point. Of course there would be. Of course. And so you could make the deterrent argument, the moral argument and all that. Let me say this. I don't like the death penalty from the case that too many innocent people have been killed using the death penalty. That's my. That's the one. Their. Dennis agrees that's the best argument against the death penalty. I also. That will push back Categorically though, then all of a sudden we have to have these swan song sympathies for rapists and mass murderers in our country. And we can't have the same sympathy for a baby who's in the womb. Like, you have these massive, well funded organizations that go and like advocate for the Boston bomber to stay alive. Like sort of indifferent about that, to be honest with you. I hope he finds Jesus. I hope he finds his soul. You went and killed innocent. Okay, I'm actually gonna go contest for actual innocence. This idea that we have to have a moral equivalency between a child in the womb that has done nothing wrong, literally no agency upon themselves. Upon themselves. That is the ultimate of like non agency human being because they're completely stationary and dependent on their mother versus someone who, just like Eric Rudolph, who did the Centennial park bombing. Like, sort of a moral difference there. Right? And so I get the spirit of the question. I get asked all the time and I just kind of tell people, just think a little bit logically about why someone could support one, not the other. I happen to be someone who's opposed to the death penalty just because I've done the research and we've executed 33 innocent people in the last couple decades in our country. That's 33 too many. I think that is the old. That is an ultimate evil administered by the state. And it's not a moral claim, it's a practical claim that if we even get one wrong, we. That's enough for us to take a pause, right? Where all of a sudden we're like, we're bringing a man or a woman who didn't actually do it to a punishment they didn't deserve. That for me is like, okay, if we can't even figure it out, absent admission, right? Then like Charles Manson actually ended up not getting the death penalty. And I'll just close and reiterate a point. It's so telling that the energy on the left is trying to always sue and put forth court filings on the scum of the earth. And I don't use that lightly. That do absolute evil and they're indifferent and yet supportive of the massacring of the innocent. Yeah, I just think that's a very, you know, telling point. All right, last question. We'll hold on to the mic. Sorry, I've seen some wacky things. I apologize. So basic, simple, broad question, but I think a lot of people may be curious about it too, is based upon what you've learned from the Lord. Your own insight, your own Foresight. Where do you see the United States 10 to 15 years from now, depending upon, you know, all that's going on with the. The nation and so forth. So it's a great question. Thank you. And I'd love to, you know, expand it and get thoughts on that. Look, the. It's wholly dependent on our action and outside of intervention from the Lord, which we always have to say is possible. I wanted to say that it depends on what we do. It does. The current trajectory is bad. It's terrible. Brace for impact. But it could have changed almost immediately. And I've seen it change. Americans are always late to the game once we get involved. It's a great quote from Winston Churchill, who, by the way, if you want a young person to emulate somebody, have them emulate Winston Churchill. He wrote 50 books, served in wars. They're removing statues and it's ridiculous. He's phenomenal. He had a great quote. As soon as Pearl harbor happened, he turned to his war cabinet and he said, well, we won. They said what? Said, it's over. Said, the Americans are in. Done. They said, you're nuts. Mark my words, as soon as they get mad, forget it. Yeah, it's true.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And what he was really saying is when decent good people step up and take ownership, everything changes. That's what he was really saying.

[Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that it could change like that. Now, God forbid we need a Pearl harbor moment to jolt us into action. God forbid I say that because that is just a. It's unspeakable tragedy. The only thing close to that would be 9, 11. I thought the virus. I was totally wrong, by the way. The biggest prediction. I was wrong. I thought we were going to see like a revival of liberty. Now we've seen a revival of safetyism in our country. Like, what is going. I thought people were going to be like, break me free and said it's like, shelter me in place. Right, right. So that wasn't it. Yeah. It's okay. Is your opinion.

[Host/Interviewer]

Do you believe that it will get better?

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's a great question. And I'm going to answer that because that's an important question. What? Not you, but most people that ask is like, what do you think is going to happen? They want me to give them permission to give up. Not you. Most people. That's why they ask. It's irrelevant. My opinion of the probability of whether we win or not should be irrelevant to your action because if you want my honest opinion, it's really bad. It's like post Marcus Aurelius Commodus Bad. Okay, you want the honest opinion now? What are you going to do? Are you going to act differently because of that? Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Amen. Danielle, can I ask a question?

[Charlie Kirk]

I've been wondering. Yes, the last, last question.

[Audience Member 2]

What is the invisible hand?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. The invisible hand is not biblical. It doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just, it's from economics. It's Adam Smith. He wrote it in the Inquiry into the Cause of Wealth of Nations. Yeah.

[Audience Member 2]

Okay. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

You bet. Okay, well, now finish the answer.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah,

[Charlie Kirk]

I could finish it. Okay. Adam Smith wrote a book in 1776, three things are written. 1776, common sense by Thomas Paine. Declaration Inquiring to the Cause of Wealth of Nations. You should read all three and know them well. They're beautiful. What is beautiful? That which is perfected in being. They are beautiful documents and they really understand God given natural rights. All three of them in different ways. And they kind of operate as kind of a triangle. Adam Smith went out and he realized, oh my goodness, there's pressures, there's movements that are happening as if there was a hand that was conducting all of it in the marketplace. Here's an example. There's not one person that is responsible for making a pencil in this country. There isn't. Milton Friedman used to do this illustration. There's a person responsible for chopping the wood, transporting the wood, milling the wood, making the metallic end of it, making the eraser stocking in the store shelf, making sure you can buy it, checking you at the counter. Millions of people interacted to make one pencil. That's the invisible hand all coming together. And it's pretty amazing because none of these people know each other. They speak different languages, they're from different places, they never actually looked at each other. And yet it all just kind of works. That's the market. It all just kind of falls into place. And so Adam Smith talked about that as the invisible hand. And for example, no one here had a picket protest riot to all of a sudden say, where's the food? In the grocery store during the pandemic. Invisible hand just took care of it. The whole supply chain took it for granted. Right. Only a market system could have kept us alive as plentiful, bountiful, relaxed as a market system when everything got shut

[Host/Interviewer]

down except toilet paper.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's true.

[Host/Interviewer]

Epic fail.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's hilarious about about that though is the market solved it by raising the price of toilet paper. That's the market. Less supply, higher demand. That's the invisible hand. So happy to do a lecture on that at different time. I've done lots of podcasts on it. Gospel in four words. Jesus took my place. Three words. Him for me. Two words, substitutionary atonement. One word, Grace. What is grace? We sing about it, we talk about it, we pray about it. Here's grace. Mercy, justice. I'll tell you the difference. First, justice. You do something wrong and you go in front of a judge, you get exactly what you deserve, you're going to jail. Here's mercy. You go in front of the judge and you say, I did it, you get less of what you deserve. Here's grace. You go in front of a judge and you're about to get the sentence and someone comes in and I'll serve that sentence for him and he walks into the jail cell for you and you can go walk free. That's grace. That's what Jesus is. He was a real person. He said real things, he did real miracles. He's really the Son of God. The resurrection is real. He died and rose from the get from the dead. I'm a highly rational, reasonable person. The more you dive into the historic aspect of the resurrection, more you realize it's a real thing that actually happened, corroborated by real witnesses and real people with people that had nothing to gain, that died at the stake to advocate for his death, burial and resurrection. So it's a gift for everyone to accept. I'm sure I'm literally speaking to the choir, but sometimes it's helpful to hear. But I'm sure if only one person hears it tonight that needs to hear it, it's worth the repetition. If I piqued your interest at all and you say, charlie, I want to do something, I want to hear more from you. The second shameless plug. Please subscribe to that podcast if you can. I know it sounds silly, but it's the only way that we stay away from cancellation, from the big tech tyrants and oligarchs. We gotta close the courage gap in our country. I'm so inspired by all of you. It's awesome. You have a wonderful pastor here and a great church. Stay engaged, stay involved. God bless you guys. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us your thoughts and questions freedomarliekirk.com and if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com support God bless you. Speak to you soon. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk. Com.