A (2:18)

And then.

C (2:18)

And then at one point, there was a family who came by, seemed like it was a family. And then the mother was, just to put it nicely, I think she had made. May have had one or two adult beverages before she came out. And when I started to interview her, to ask her what. What was up, why, you know, why they wanted to come out that night. She couldn't even explain to me why she wanted to come out.

B (2:42)

Well, that sounds about right. And so can you talk about the amount of enthusiasm on the ground for the president? The energy, the kind of the. The true grassroots nature of the Trump movement? People were coming in from all across the country, really, to support the President. It was really incredible. Talk about that.

C (3:02)

That's really what spoke to me, because, you know, I talk to a lot of people, and their people say, oh, from D.C. like, oh, we're here in Bethesda area. We're from Silver Springs. We're all nearby. And then you go to the next person, just as you're interviewing people in the crowd, asking where they're from, and you hear the next guy, and he says, oh, I'm from Wisconsin. I flew here as soon as I heard that the President was going to the hospital. I flew from Wisconsin, talked to another woman. She actually flew in from San Diego. I talked to someone who came in from all the way from Syracuse, New York. He said, the minute. And he drove with his five children, and he got in the car. He's actually an immigrant from the Bahamas. And he drove in and he said, the minute I heard. He said, we were about to go for dinner. I was sitting down there with my wife, and I heard the President was going to the hospital. And I said, we have to go right now. She said, but I just put dinner on the table. Said, no, we have to go right now. Put everyone into the minivan. They booked a hotel while they were driving down from Syracuse, New York, to be there. I said, why did you feel so compelled to do that in the spur of the moment? He said, because he needed us there. And so we wanted to come. And there was so much, I got to tell you. You know, I come to this as a Christian. I know you're Christian, Charlie. You talked openly about your faith. There were so many prayers. There was definitely a lot of spiritual, prayerful energy and power there for the President and with his supporters there. And, you know, even there was even one guy who showed up with. He had a Joe Biden, like, face mask on. And people said, what are you here for? You're a Joe Biden. I said, you know what? I'm in the area, but I think it's the right thing to do for the country, that we all wish that he got better. And everybody welcomed him and started cheering and said, you're more than welcome to be here with us.

B (4:51)

And yet, it seems the activist media was almost in many different ways, cheering for his demise and almost seemed, you know, pleasantly surprised that the President got infected. Now we are entering reentering into the election season after the President has. I don't want to declare victory too soon, but it seems like he's defeated this virus. I think it's fair to say that he's on the better side of it. So, Jack, what do you think is happening in this election? What are you seeing on the ground and what do you think the President has to do to win? Some people are saying it's 2016 all over again, we're going to win. Some people are saying we're not going to catch the Democrats by surprise. They're better prepared for us. What are you seeing on the ground so that the President can win? Four more years?

C (5:33)

Sure. Well, and I've been out across the Midwest. I've been in the mid Atlantic, I've been in Pennsylvania. I've been to Wisconsin more times this year than I've ever even thought I would be in Wisconsin in my life. And I don't say that it's not, by the way. Actually, it turns out I like Wisconsin a lot. The cheese curds are amazing if you haven't tried them yet. Milwaukee, 3rd Street. Trust me on this. And what we're seeing is that there is a chance that Trump does win these states once again. And here's what's going on, you see, because if Biden were up 14 points, like the media is telling us in these polls, then why is Biden campaigning in places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota. Right. Ohio. Why is he going to the places that are where we've always thought and we know the conventional wisdom is that these are the places where the enthusiasm and where the flipping goes on these swing states. Right. The President, I'll tell you this much right now. We just got back from Florida here. That was the last rally we attended. The enthusiasm for the President is through the roof. I talked to people down there. They think Florida is in the bag for Trump. And that is incredible because Florida really is that ultimate swing state. The big worry that people have, Charlie, and I've got to tell you this, is that people know how close the election was in Pennsylvania, 44,000 votes. They know how close it was in Michigan, they know how close it was in Wisconsin. And that's where people are starting to get worried about these mail in ballots, the counting process, knowing that we may not know the specific winner of the race on that night. And so that's what people are telling me they want to get out it's actually making them more motivated and more enthusiastic to go out to the polls on election Day because they know those votes will be counted during the time the polls close.

B (7:22)

So, Jack, can you talk about some of those threats to the election for President Trump? Can you talk about the tech companies, talk about the mail in balloting, and then also talk about George Soros pumping in millions of dollars, which is a very legitimate thing. So I want to cover all three of those things. You choose which one you hit first.

C (7:39)

Well, really with social media, and we've seen this, honestly, more on Facebook and Instagram, I think, than anywhere else right now, and that's certain what the numbers are, that this idea of fact checking, they call it fact checking. They say, well, you posted a humorous article or you posted a funny picture or something from the Babylon V, which is a conservative satire site. Satirical, it's meant to be like the Onion, but they'll fact check it and then they'll limit your post, they'll limit your engagement, they'll limit your site. We've seen numerous conservative pages be taken down, fan pages be taken down because of this. You don't see the same level of takedowns happening on the left. And I thought that all of this control, right, all these new controls, all these new environmental protections were just supposed to be there because of, remember, foreign interference? Remember after 2016, everyone was talking about foreign interference. We have to watch out for the far interference. You got to watch out for those Russian memes, those Russian memes that are going to swing the election. And yet you don't really seem to hear anything about foreign interference when it comes to social media anymore. They talk about fact checking, they talk about fighting misinformation. And then when you try to combat anybody about saying, well, excuse me, you know, that's, that's, you know, that's just a joke. It's something satirical, sarcastic. Right. They can't, I guess the algorithms don't understand that yet. And so you're seeing time and time again conservative pages being struck down by this.

B (9:03)

Can you build out for us what we should do about the social media tyranny that we see in our country?

C (9:10)

We're going to need government action at this point. We've seen government action being taken against monopolies many times in the past. I think we really need to start understanding that that's what they are and that's the kind of power and influence they have in our country. And certainly it's not something that conservatives. Right. You usually talk about. But when we Understand that we want the free market. That means market competition and you can't have that when you have a monopoly.

B (9:34)

That is very well said. And I think that we should always care about individual liberty. I think that is why we are conservatives is that we want people to be able to make choices. And whether it's a corporation or a government bureaucrat getting in the way of you making choices, to speak freely, to be able to buy products freely, then we should be worried about that. And that is how I reconcile going up against these corporations. Because a lot of these corporations are really existing as macro tyrants going after people's capacity to speak, going after people's ability to choose other products. And they are acting like totalitarian pseudo power governments. And that they feel it is their right or their prerogative to stamp out the opposition and to try to obliterate anything that they might disagree with, whether it be Amazon or whether it be Google in particular. And I think that Google's power that they exhibit over the free, you know, the free people in our republic is really creepy and scary. We're going to dive into that and much more. I want to get your thoughts on George Soros role in this whole election.

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B (11:55)

Jack has over a million Twitter followers. Congratulations, Jack. Tell us about George Soros. What's going on with him trying to influence this election.

C (12:03)

One of the big things that we've seen from Soros this year is actually something that he started doing back in 2016. It was a sort of a program that he launched whereby he started funding district attorneys throughout the country. When people started to see that, they were like, oh, well, that's not a national thing, so maybe we don't need to worry about it. Maybe it's something that we can just leave by the wayside. But what we're now seeing is that those district attorneys, and this happened in 2018 as well, they got in power in many major cities of the United States, Philadelphia, St. Louis, San Francisco, Chicago, and they've enacted measures and putting, are putting charges on people and police officers specifically that are extremely detrimental to those societies. Meanwhile, at the same time, because we're dealing with these situations where throughout the summer and now into the fall, in places like Portland, places like Seattle, rioting and lawlessness and unrest has continued, charges are not being brought at the local level. This has not been going on. And so these groups, these anarchist groups, violent criminal groups, antifa groups, they are able to conduct their operations and really even learn to evolve and advance their operations because they're not given, they're not made to pay any really high cost for this because the charges keep getting dropped. So they know if they get arrested tonight, they're going to be back out the next night. And so this enables those groups to bed in and get more advanced networking, more advanced tactics. And when you really kind of trickle it all back, it's because there's been this breakdown in law and order because a sort of new cadre of local district attorneys in these cities has decided that for them, it's not the justice system, it's social justice that takes the priority.

B (14:01)

So, Jack, what can people do about this on the DA level? And before you even answer that question, can you just give me some idea of what your opinion is? What does George Soros want? Tell us more about this guy. A lot of people have a very basic or limited understanding about who he is and where he comes from. The name's thrown around a lot. What can you tell us about him?

C (14:20)

Well, the name is thrown around a lot and that's because, you know, not to be any kind of alarmist, but he is somebody that is certainly a mega donor to the Democrat Party and to far left liberal movements. And we can see this in FEC filings. We can see this in his mega donations, over $500,000 to Joe Biden Super PACs. We can see this in his donations to various liberal groups. And he's pushing his agenda, which is an agenda that is basically marrying up with that of social justice. So it is an open borders agenda. It is that sort of borderless flow of people and capital and goods that sort of changes the way that people look at a country. Right? And it flies in the face of everything that Donald Trump would stand for because he's someone that looks at as the nation state. And he said this again and again. The nation state is the source of what makes us great as a country. But when you start breaking away those building blocks and those institutions of our nation state, like being able to control our own sovereignty, who is in our country, who is allowed to be in our country, these basic decisions that, that we as a country inherently would have. He funds these organizations and then individuals, politicians, in some cases even media organizations or media like organizations, I should say, they're usually 501C3s that sort of act as their, some sort of accountability institute. Even though his organization itself is called the Open Open Society Foundation. When it actually turns out that a lot of his stuff, when you're trying to dig into it's some of the most concealed and closed information that's, that's actually out there. So I don't know how open you are, you guys. And so when we're talking about this, I mean, it really is somebody who's putting his thumb down on the side of the left with his financial donations and with these massive organizations that exist to be attack dogs for the left to smear anybody on the right, any, you know, anybody who's to the right of Joseph Stalin immediately becomes, you know, a fascist Nazi, you know, and you could go down the list of all the different crazy names they come up with, but that is their goal. And these, this is tactical. It is an old school playbook that's been used by people on the left. It's quite effective. And now you're starting to even see corporate shakedowns going on. This because they'll use, and Nancy Pelosi actually talked about this, they'll use something called the wrap up smear. So the wrap up smear goes like, first you get a person to smear them and then you go get someone to report on the smear. And then people will go to an advertiser or a company and say, well, how can you support that? Person. Because look at what so and so says about them. The advertiser, of course, doesn't know what to do. And so this is a Kafkaesque tactic that the left has started. It's been quite effective for certain media organizations, but other ones have realized what's going on, have realized this. So much of this is a baseless operation that when people go out there and they say, look, we believe in this country, we believe in God, we believe in Jesus Christ, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with that.

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B (18:57)

Jack, can you also build out for us what is happening with mail and voting? I hear that it's been some good court victories recently. What's exactly going on there and should people that want fair and free elections be concerned and if so, what specifically should we be concerned about?

C (19:12)

If people need to be concerned about mail in ballots because there are certain states right now, particularly the western states, really that sort of left coast that we talk about that are enacting a new type of mail in ballots. And so before I even get into that, let me break down exactly what we're talking about. We're not talking of. What we're not talking about is absentee ballots. Absentee balloting is something that's been going on since essentially the Civil War era. That means you can't make it to the polls, that you go to your county office, you let them know that you're not going to make it. You request a mail in ballot, they send it to you, you vote, you send it back, boom, you're done. That gets counted. Mail in ballot. What we're talking about here is mass mail ballots. And I almost wonder if we should start referring it to mass mail in ballots, because mass mail in ballots means every single person who is a registered voter in that state is going to be mailed a ballot. Charlie, I think that the people in your audience are definitely smart enough to realize all the permutations of problems that could come up with just ballots going all over the place. Look, when you move somewhere, when I move somewhere, we don't always notify the county board of elections immediately that we moved. Maybe we were in a different place. We were registered to vote there. We haven't updated our address yet. That address hasn't been reflected. Now, personally, we know that everybody else out there isn't as up on that. And so you're. We've already heard information or, you know, just anecdotes of people getting 5, 6, 7 ballots in addresses of people that they've never even heard of because maybe they lived there in the past. I'm in Washington, D.C. right? People move in and out of the apartments here like crazy. Bill Staffers, political staffers, campaign staffers, got students, people who were here during. During last year, but they're not here now because of COVID and everything's online. So, you know, you've got sort of a housing inventory that's kind of in flux. And so all of these ballots then are just going to be sent out in many of these states. Now, fortunately, it doesn't seem that this is going on in any direct battleground states out those swing states, those Rust belt states that we've been talking about so much. And so hopefully something like this doesn't happen. However, one thing that I'm paying very close attention to is the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is an area from there. I'm from the Philadelphia area originally. I know how bad things can get in Philadelphia on a regular election day. This one is going to be completely different. So we've already had Instances of mail. Not even just the mail in voters, but actually the election warehouse in Philadelphia where the election the voting machine machines are stored. We somebody break in there and steal the memory sticks on the voting machines that are used to program the electronic votes. So we don't. And then there was actually a local reporter went there the next day just to kind of scope it out. Was able to walk right in. Even after the theft that happened. No security whatsoever. Now the city tells us that they're fixing this, but there's another issue that the city of Philadelphia has done, and that is satellite voting offices. So the state of Pennsylvania, as I just mentioned, they're not doing mass mail in voting and they don't traditionally or currently have early voting in the state of Pennsylvania. However, the city of Philadelphia, in their wisdom, have created a new type of legal loophole for early voting. What they're calling it is in person absentee voting, where they've set up 17 satellite offices across, across the city of Philadelphia where you can go request an absentee ballot, fill it out, hand it in, have it counted, and then leave. And they have that be your vote. But they're not allowing poll watchers to go into these places because legally they're saying they're not classified as polling locations, they're just in person, mail in voting locations. So the Trump campaign nationally is and has all a is a local lawsuit against the county of Philadelphia basically saying this is a complete contrivance of the Pennsylvania election code. You cannot have what are de facto holding locations. You're calling them something else. You're calling them in person. Look, if people are going in and they are voting and they are writing down who they're voting for and it's going in, that is a polling. And under Pennsylvania state law, just like the law in many, many other states, each candidate and each party are entitled to poll marchers to be there to observe the vote and to make sure that everything is going above board.

B (23:56)

I think that is very well said and it's horrifying to see what is going on with mail and balloting across the country, just to see how, you know, the mail, the ballots are being sent to every registered voter and people have no recourse whatsoever to make sure they have fair and free elections. Jack, can you talk about the idea of a color revolution against our president? This is something that a lot of people kind of, it's the new trendy thing to talk about. We had the great Darren Beatty on here on the podcast. He talked about that. What are you seeing and hearing around this topic

C (24:32)

that's certainly part of the world that has seen these types of this phenomena really come up. This program, which is essentially a regime change type of tactic that's used against foreign adversaries. We also saw this in the Arab Spring 2011. We saw this in Libya, where people are coming from outside of a country, NGOs, non government organizations, foreign institutions that are brought in to sort of fan the flames of dissent and unrest and instability, to push it further and further. When they, when they detect it originally, and I mean usually as organic would start, they then when an election takes place, the first thing they do, they declare the results of that election illegitimate. And they continue to radicalize and push people to the edge until something happens, until they get what they want. We are starting to see those very same tactics here in the United States. We see it with the widespread civil unrest throughout the summer now going into this fall. We see it in so many media outlets and so many of these former officials of our government, former national security officials, telling us again and again that this election is going to be illegitimate somehow. Or you've got Mark Zuckerberg even coming out there and saying publicly there's nothing wrong with not knowing who the President is going to be on election day. Well, we should know that, Mark. We should definitely know that. And furthermore, who are you to tell us how our Constitution works and how our federal electors work? You're the head of some company, you're not in charge of this. This doesn't actually concern you. But of course, Charlie, as we talked about before, we know the power of social media. And so that's him kind of, you know, showing you the man behind the curtain a little bit, letting you know that yes, there's does actually have that power. Social media has even said, and this is something that we've seen contingent with these color revolutions. They've said essentially that if President Trump declares victory that night and starts to give a speech now, they don't say Trump, they say if any candidates. This is what Mark Zerter said. If any candidate declares victory before a consensus result is reached, then we will not allow that to be broadcast on our social media. I want to really push down on this because that is chilling. That is chilling to hear anyone, you know, a techno tyrant tell us how our elections are going to be run.

B (27:03)

Jack, I'm stealing that term, techno tyrant. Thank you. I will give you stop of that man. I will give you attribution sometimes. It's terrific. Is antifa just an idea, Jack?

C (27:18)

Well, I would Say that Antifa has an idea and Antifa's idea is neo Marxist insurrection in the United States. No. So Antifa is an idea the same way that white supremacy is an idea or radical Islam is an idea. Right. So anti fascism of course is a radical ideology. But then there are groups within that ideology the way that form the way that within radical Islam you've got isis, you've got Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, of course these are radical groups within Antifa. You've got Rose City Antifa, anti racist action, you've got revolutionary communism. You got refused fascism which is a national network. So you can go through and find the various different. And then of course the local regional cells that circulate among various cities. So smash races in D.C. or Emerald City, Antifa in Seattle, by any means necessary. Berkeley, Oakland area. The idea that every, every morning when you wake up and you can see the video out social games, these black clad militants smashing windows, throwing Molotov cocktails, attacking police officers, accosting people while they have their dinner where they're just trying to eat right and regular people, there's not, not even targeting anyone. It's just indiscriminate. I'd have to say. I've never seen an idea throw a

B (28:40)

hammer through know before they say Antifa is just an idea. It's absolutely unbelievable. Jack. You look into things really well and you kind of have a really good awareness of things. Why has the BLM incorporated organization been allowed to take all this money? Where are these donations going? ActBlue. No address, no phone number.

A (29:02)

What's. Am I missing something here?

C (29:04)

You know actually it's kind of interesting because when, when the original BLM organization, BLM Inc. Came about in really 2014, 2015 and really blow up in 2016, got huge this through Ferguson, through Freddie Gray, the Oakland shootings, various different things that happened. This was an issue early on. Sean King was a huge part of this problem that the money would be raised by these activists. But because it was done in a very open source way through cross crowdfunding or companies that were giving money to an organization. There were even times where corporate donations in the past were going to organizations that had Black Lives Matter. I think there was one and you know, I'm sure you know, fact check me on this but I think it was called Black Lives Matter Global that was taking money from various corporations and it wasn't even affiliated with the main Black Lives Matter. So somebody just set up a 501C3 and was taking money, corporations were giving it to them. Because they were just taking it and they had the similar name. And so that is the main problem that you've got. Because try to think about it. If I were to even ask a person on the street who's the leader of Black Lives Matter? Right. This is very deliberate on their part. They don't have any.

B (30:22)

And it seems as if that their philosophy is almost in line with what they do. They don't believe in hierarchies. They don't think that any one person should be above the other. There's a great Star Trek kind of example of the Borg resistance is futile. We're all in one kind of body together. That there is no one person that is better than the other. And in some ways, that's kind of how they operate. Interestingly enough.

C (30:46)

Submit and be added to the collective.

B (30:48)

Yeah, exactly. Just you can be part of the collective body together. People need to realize antifa. I mean, Joe Biden was trying to say it's just an idea.

A (30:57)

Well, when you get a brick thrown

B (30:59)

through your window or you get stormed out of a restaurant, like Candace Owens and I did in Philadelphia, it's a lot more than just an idea, I could tell you that much. It's an organization. It has membership, has goals, and they use violent means to try to go about it.

C (31:13)

They have uniforms.

B (31:15)

That's right.

C (31:15)

I always say that they have uniforms.

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So of course we're working day in, day out. One American news. We are one of the fastest growing networks in terms of cable news in the United States. We certainly have been very clear. We were probably one of the only networks that got Covid Weekend, right? In terms of our sources, our real sources in and out of the White House, sort of medical team there finding out what the status of the President was and the first lady, by the way, because I don't even think any other media outlet was asking about the status of the First Lady. Saw these press briefings, we went to our source, we found what I am also working on. It's been a long term project. It's sort of a dual pronged effort. What we're doing. I'm working on a new special and a book, a full length book on the. I'm going to be going into their background, I'm going into their funding, I'm going into who their leaders, who their heroes are. The founder of Antifa.

B (33:38)

Right?

C (33:38)

Why don't we know this guy's name? His name is Ernst Kalman. He was a communist in the 1930s. This guy was a Soviet agent. He was actually one of the pallbearers, right? One of the honor guards for Vladimir Lenin in Moscow. Right? That's the founder of Antifa. Why is this information not being told to anybody? So we're going to, we're going to make 20, going to take the various heroes of Antifa from around the world and we're going to make them famous. Absolutely famous. We're going to go back, we're even going to go back to all the way to 1901. 1901. We had an anarcho socialist walks up to President McKinley, shoots and kills him in Buffalo, New York, right? That's how Teddy Roosevelt became president. Teddy Roosevelt was vice president. He then became our youngest president. So we know about Teddy, but why don't we know that an anarchist socialist assassin actually killed one of our presidents, right? There's so much information that's out there and then we're going to get into what happened in Portland, the killing of a Trump supporter on the streets. We're going to get in what happened in Dayton, Ohio. One of these antifa guys who just decides to just kind of cut loose. He gets activated and he goes out on a horrific killing spree, a shooting spree. And we're even in some cases. I want to reveal too much about the special just yet, but I will say that certain things are going to be done in terms of a dramatic reenactment. So it's almost like a docudrama in some parts of this. We're doing stuff really with this project that you don't see happen very often from the right. Typically, we're pretty good with ideas, but we don't usually do so well when it comes to culture, when it comes to actually showing something that people want to sit down and watch, watch with their friends, talk about, start a conversation. The left is so good that you turn on Netflix, you turn on Amazon Prime. It's all left wing. It's all left wing. What we're doing is showing something that would stand up with Hollywood standards on any of those streaming services. Anything that you're seeing out in movies today, it's actually very camera that we're using for this thing is the exact same camera they used to film the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. That's literally the level that we're at in terms of the production of this. And the trailer that we just released, the President retweeted it's got a couple million views already. So we're very excited about that and also very excited that the President is doing better because we hope that he's going to be able to see it.

B (36:02)

Jack, thank you so much for joining the Charlie Kirk Show. We really appreciate it and I hope Trump wins and I hope you're right. Talk to you soon.

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