Ask Us Anything 238: Gen Z Going to Church? Taylor Swift Takes Charlie's Advice? A Cubs Playoff Run?

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show — Ask Us Anything 238:

"Gen Z Going to Church? Taylor Swift Takes Charlie's Advice? A Cubs Playoff Run?"

Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (portions posthumously), with Andrew Colvett, Mikey McCoy, Blake, Danny, and guest callers

Episode Overview

This dynamic Ask Us Anything episode covers themes of generational faith, the ongoing role of the local church, Taylor Swift’s cultural influence, immigration perspectives, sports nostalgia, and carrying on Charlie Kirk’s legacy after his passing. The show embraces its grassroots, unapologetic culture-warrior tone, fielding real-time questions from listeners and diving into both practical and philosophical debates relevant to America’s youth, faith communities, and conservative activism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Team’s Mission

[00:03–01:09]

• The episode opens with Charlie's mission: “My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth... College is a scam, everybody… You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA chapter.”
• The team welcomes listeners, referencing the show’s sponsors and introducing the core panelists, humorously bantering about office nicknames and sports fandoms.

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2. Immigration and American Identity

[01:31–02:07, 23:38–24:49]

• Concerns about visible changes in local communities due to legal and illegal immigration, chain migration, and the apparent lack of political will to reform the system.
• Listener Greg, originally from Poland, voices frustration that legal immigrants are often treated worse than those who enter illegally.
  • Blake [24:49]: “It’s profoundly insulting... We make it easier and better for the individuals who are violating the process.”

Key Quote:

“We are so fed up in this country with getting the system gamed and having our people screwed over in the process. It's a breakdown of the social compact...” — Andrew Colvett [25:20]

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3. Sports, Nostalgia, and the Cubs Playoff Run

[03:10–08:00]

• Lively discussion about office sports loyalties, especially around the Cubs, Dodgers, and Twins—with nostalgia for Charlie’s love of sports and a group trip to Wrigley Field shortly before his death.
• Show honors how sports brought the team together, culminating in a moving story:
  • “One of my last memories of Charlie in the office actually was just watching the Cubs play.” — Andrew [05:18]

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4. Christian Faith Streams, Revival, and Church Community

[08:00–15:03, 43:11–45:54]

• Caller Elizabeth asks about differences between apologetics and Calvinism, sparking a deep dive into denominational differences, the resurgence of young people in Catholic and Reformed churches, and routes to faith.

  • Andrew [09:11]: “A lot of young people… are going back to either Catholic church or they're going back to Reformed… Those are probably the two biggest rising groups…”
  • Emphasis on the primacy of loving Jesus, reading the Bible, and repentance over denominational squabbles.

• Personal testimonies about losing and rediscovering church community amidst culture wars over issues like gay marriage.

Quote:

“Revival comes through repentance. When the mass of people in a country or in a community just feel called to repent and give their lives to the Lord.” — Andrew Colvett [12:24]

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5. Remembering Charlie & The “Shame” Segment

[16:06–22:15, 41:00+]

• The hosts directly address critics, particularly Thomas Chatterton Williams’ Atlantic article comparing Charlie Kirk to George Floyd.
  • They highlight the fundamental differences between Kirk’s and Floyd’s legacies, the absence of riots after Charlie’s death, and Erica Kirk’s public forgiveness of her husband’s murderer.
• Regular “shame” segment mocks public figures seen as antagonistic to conservative values (Ilhan Omar, Ta-Nehisi Coates).

Memorable Quote:

“If you were to imitate Charlie's life, you will be happy and successful and have a great family. If you were to imitate George Floyd's life, you will probably die at a young age.” — Blake [19:49]

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6. Faith’s Role for Gen Z & the Power of In-Person Church

[43:11–45:54]

• Mary from Rockland County asks what the local church uniquely offers to bring young people back into faith.
  • Mikey: “The biggest thing is… young people are coming to our Turning Point events… wanting to come to Amfest, wanting to plug in.”
  • The hosts advocate for community, integrated lives, and blending faith, patriotism, and activism.
  • Advice: Don’t force new movements into “old wineskins”; let God move in new ways.

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7. Cultural Influence: Taylor Swift Takes Charlie’s Advice?

[33:03–39:24]

• Kelsey notes a new Taylor Swift lyric about wanting family over fame and references Charlie’s previous counsel for her to “get married and have lots of babies.”
  • Daisy and others discuss Taylor’s past relationships, hopes for a more family-oriented celebrity culture, and the broader issues of modern dating and marriage timelines.
  • Panel agrees Charlie “would have loved that lyric,” seeing it as validation of his values.

Notable Quote:

“If a man wants to marry you... At what point do you say if you're not going to commit to me, I'm done, I'm moving on?” — Host [36:04]

Clip of Charlie [38:16]:

“Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert... If you don't change your name, you don't really mean it…”

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8. Grassroots Activism for Adults & Turning Point Action

[28:54–32:08]

• Jill from Missouri seeks ways for adults (not just students) to “get involved like the kids.”
  • Andrew explains Turning Point Action (the adult, more explicitly political arm), national events like AmFest, and calls for expanding local state chapters.
  • Jill’s club helped sponsor youth to events, showing the movement now spans generations.

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9. Monogamy, Traditional Values, and Society

[37:27–39:24]

• Discussion of the social advantages of Christian monogamy versus contemporary alternatives.
  • “The Christian view of marriage is actually so great for curbing the worst impulses of both men and women and making them work together as partners.” — Blake [37:35]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “If you follow Jesus, if you love Jesus, that’s a pretty good starting point.” — Andrew [10:08]
• On churches caving to progressive causes: “There are so many little tragedies like that that have happened across American Christianity.” — Danny [14:43]
• “You can judge factions by who they decide to make into heroes.” — Panel [18:11]
• “Monogamy... is a very advanced form of societal tech.” — Andrew [37:27]
• “Do not waste women’s time. My admonition to you men in the audience… do not linger on.” — Host [35:31]
• “Don’t bifurcate your life. Integrate your faith, just like Charlie did.” — Andrew [45:40]

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Notable Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:03 | Charlie Kirk’s guiding philosophy and call to activism | | 05:18 | Reminiscence: Last memory of Charlie—watching Cubs at the office| | 09:11 | Calvinism, apologetics, denominational discussion | | 12:24 | Repentance and revival—definition and importance | | 19:49 | Contrasting Charlie Kirk and George Floyd legacies | | 34:41 | Panel on Taylor Swift’s age, relationships, and traditional values| | 38:16 | Charlie’s opinion on Taylor Swift’s marriage | | 43:11 | Caller asks about church’s unique role for Gen Z |

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Episode Tone

• Loyal, spirited, direct, often irreverent (especially in “shame” segments).
• Candid engagement with difficult topics (faith, immigration, culture wars) while emphasizing community, repentance, and living out Christian values.

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For Listeners:

If you’re looking for actionable advice on faith, activism, or want to plug into a thriving conservative community, this episode offers both practical resources and a window into how Charlie Kirk’s team is carrying forward his philosophy—integrating patriotism, purpose-driven faith, and grassroots engagement for the next generation.

Transcript

[A]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[B]

Use me.

[A]

Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers.

[B]

So we've got Mikey McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff. Absolute roundabout, good man, and apparently a rising star. Mikey McCoy. People love your infectious laughs.

[C]

I'll take it.

[B]

The ladies love it.

[C]

The real McCoy was the title I think we settled on.

[B]

I think I'm Admiral Andrew.

[C]

I Admiral Andrew. Real McCoy. Blake GPT.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[D]

Andris Spock or whatever.

[B]

Just like Spock.

[D]

I know he's a Spock. You know, Captain Kirk would get all worked up and then I'd be like, that's most illogical.

[B]

J literally do one of these things. Most illogical. Yeah, I see. Alexis says I'm seeing Muslims all over Michigan. They are now allowing prayer in the middle of the street midday. Are they here legally? I have no idea. Some of them probably are. A lot of them are these refugee status. Savannah Hernandez with Turning Point Front Lines did a amazing piece on the Somalis in Minnesota. And most of them get government benefits because they're here on some sort of temporary protected status.

[D]

Tons.

[B]

But they just keep getting extended. Extended. A lot of these will be chain migration. Alexis, you said, hey, can I get a response on my email? And so the answer is, yes, I see you. And you said seen. Yeah, it's a huge problem. I mean, I don't know. We currently apparently do not have the political will or desire to deal with it. And on some level, I understand the administration is trying to tackle a huge illegal immigrant problem, but the chain migration, legal immigration needs to be reformed just as urgently, in my opinion. So, yeah, we do have. So if you Want to be a part of our members ask me anything hour? Ask we anything hour. Just join members.charliekirk.com we can put that URL on the lower if we can. Members.charliekirk.Com Please join our members program. It's still going. Still active, and you guys are really the bedrock and the backbone of this show. So first question. Anthony is first. Anthony, can you hear me?

[E]

Yeah. Can you hear me, Andrew?

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Hey, Anthony. What's up? Welcome to the show.

[E]

How you doing? Thanks, guys. All right, so gotta ask this, Andrew, I know you're a Dodger fan, so it's okay, but where does the office stand with pulling for the Cubs?

[B]

Where's Danny?

[D]

I know Andrew stands with pulling for the Dodger. Get him in.

[B]

Get him. I will. For Charlie. I will. I will be ecstatic.

[C]

Where is he?

[B]

Cubs win. I just.

[D]

While we wait for Danny. I'm a Twins fan. For those who don't follow baseball, the Twins are a smoldering creator of a franchise that they're doomed forever. They will never be good again.

[B]

That on. On air. What? You're a Twins?

[D]

Yeah. What?

[B]

It's not even your state.

[E]

You're a Twinkie.

[B]

They're next door. All right.

[D]

Someone find it anyway. They're gonna be terrible forever. They'll never, ever be good again. So I'm kind of just going into this, like, Kirby hibernation last time.

[B]

Come on. Get in here. Danny.

[D]

Get over here.

[B]

Get over here. Danny.

[D]

Talking to my mic. Into my mic.

[B]

Right here. Just right here. Just talking to mic.

[D]

You can lean in, whatever, wherever you want to go.

[B]

So Danny is from the same part of the world, roughly as Charlie. But Charlie and Danny would talk sports a lot. Oh, yeah, big time.

[D]

Danny is an Ohio State fan, which is.

[B]

Oh, that's sad. The number one team in the country. National champs. We're gonna run it back this year. Except for the Ducks are gonna win. Cause now I'm a Ducks fan, which is saying something because I'm actually a UW Husky, which. Those are our. We had an expression that rhymes with ducks that involved the name of that school. And I'm putting all this. Putting all this aside to root for chart for Charlie.

[C]

Last night, we were watching the Rams 49ers game, and Elizabeth goes, since when are you, like, a sports fan? It's like, you can blame Danny and Charlie. I didn't care about sports. Now I'm a Ducks fan and a cuz fan because of this guy.

[B]

So tell. Tell the audience how many games did Were visible inside The. The Charlie Kirk show office almost every day game. Yeah, yeah, we were in the office and the Cubs were playing. The game was on. Yeah. And there's a time difference too. So you would. If they were playing east coast or Central time, Central time, two hour difference. You would catch it. It would work out. I mean, one of my last memories of Charlie in the office actually was just watching the Cubs play.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Cause we all went to. We went to the Wrigley. We went to Wrigley Field together just a few weeks before Charlie passed. And I mean, it was a really special moment. We walked the field, hung out with the players. Like a couple of those images went viral.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Because I guess it was like controversial that they took a picture with Charlie. And one of the players, Michael Bush, who took a picture with Charlie, hit. Yeah. Big home run last night. Last night. And by the way, I'm not even a Cubs fan, Anthony, but I am this year. Okay. And if they won, it's.

[E]

It's okay. I know you're a Dodger fan.

[B]

I am everything. Listen, I want them to get to the NLCS together and I want to go seven and I want. I want Matt Shaw to get the game winning home run.

[D]

Will he hit it off Ohtani, though? What if that happens?

[B]

I'm so okay with that. Ohtani's had enough.

[E]

It'll be Cubs and Phillies in the nlcs. Phillies taking it. And there's a reason.

[B]

The Phillies taking it.

[E]

Yes. Hear my reason. Hold on. I know the shortstop on the Cubs and the Phillies and the DH on the Phillies personally. So if Danny, you should know who the Cubs shortstop is.

[B]

Oh, Dansby Swanson.

[C]

See, he knows.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[E]

So then the Philly shortstop is Trey Turner. And then the dhs, Kyle Schwarber happened. I know all three of them.

[B]

So are you a sports guy? Like, are you. Is this your.

[E]

I. I worked in the NHL, in the NBA, and I currently work in college athletics as consultants handling marketing communications. But I traveled to three college World Series and I had all those athletes in Omaha, so that's how I know him personally. And then I had Trey Turner's best friend growing up on one of my college summer baseball teams.

[B]

Well, listen, Trey Turner used to be a Dodger, but then I think he got recruited by Bryce Harper to the Phillies. So anyways, Phillies have a great team. I'm just glad Jack Posobuk is not here because he would be like all hooping and hollering about the Phillies and. No, thank you. Anyways, God bless you, Anthony. I think it's safe to say the office is probably pulling for the Cubbies, even me. Okay, so all for Charlie this year. It's all about Charlie. Yeah. Throw, throw, cut three. 367. Up there. This was cool. The Cubs actually did this for. Maybe we don't have it if we. Here, I'm gonna. I'm gonna send it to you. Yeah, there you go. 367. This is a picture, and it's 1776. Kirk. Kirk. It was. They made Jersey. Charlie and Erica, and together. It was 1776.

[E]

There's one more photo that's online. Didn't he run the scoreboard or something?

[B]

Yes, he did. Yeah, that's right. That's interesting. I haven't seen that picture, but I remember when they were like, hey, do you want to go up with him? And Charlie was like, no, I'm taking Erica. And I was like, totally cool. So, yeah, that was great. Thanks, Anthony. Next question.

[D]

Elizabeth.

[B]

Elizabeth, next. Can you hear? Hear us, Elizabeth.

[F]

Hi. I can hear you. How are you today?

[B]

I'm well, thank you.

[F]

We've been praying for all of you guys. You've been doing such a great job.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you.

[F]

We need a time listener. And before what happened to Charlie happened to Charlie, except for Mikey, I knew who all of you were, and I knew how much Charlie loved, respected all of you, and you were going to do such an amazing job continuing his legacy. I have complete compliments to that.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[F]

Which led me to the Charlie problem, which is we're all trying to get back to Christ in Bible study. And I went on to Christian book.com to get a Bible with a larger font size because I'm a little bit older, and it led me down a rabbit hole. And so there were all these sections for, like, Apologetics, Calvinist. There was like, all this. What's between apologetics and Calvinist? And how do you decide which way to go? And don't worry, I found an actual Bible study I'm going to be going to with a great church, who, by the way, he did a Charlie Crick memorial. He had a bunch of threats. We had so many police there, and he stood his ground. You guys would love him.

[B]

Amazing. I really do love that story. I will say. So you're comparing apologetics, which is the defense of the Christian faith, and Calvinism, which is a particular stream of Protestantism, which is sort of known by the tulip, if you will, the five points of Calvinism, which is total depravity, unconditional, Election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints. Those are the five points of Calvinism. Even a lot of Calvinists are not five point Calvinists. They're like three point Calvinists, or they'll say four point Calvinists. So, Elizabeth, you'll hear people use this expression reformed theology, and usually it's a reference to Calvinism on some level. Again, you gotta be more specific with your questions when people are saying I'm sort of Reformed or I'm Calvinist, because there's five points and then there's three points and there's four. So I know that's all very complicated, but a lot of young people, it's worth saying, are going back to either Catholic church or they're going back to Reformed, the Reformed churches. And so it is a. Those are probably the two biggest rising groups of the faith right now, especially with kids. So don't get bogged down on which particular stream of Christianity. I would say if they read the Bible, they believe the Bible. If they love Jesus, if they follow Jesus, that's a pretty good starting point. Now we've got open hand or closed hand and open hand of faith. All right, what do we have in the closed hand? That is that Jesus is God. He died on the cross for your sins and you need to repent and ask him to save you. That's pretty much the closed hand. If you go on and go Calvinist, Arminius, if you want to go Catholic or Christian, if you want to go pre millennial, post trib, pre trib, if you want to go any of those infant baptism, adult baptism, I get less worried about that. The thing is, follow Jesus, give your life to him, repent and be saved, and let him his his perfect death on the cross. His perfect life and his death on the cross for your sins will cover you. And yeah, it sounds like you found a great Bible study. If they're, if they're defending Charlie vocally and vociferously, despite the wokies, it sounds like you found a good one. You want to add anything to that, pastor's kid?

[C]

Yeah, I just, I. The other thing too, that's really big is Calvinism and Arminianism. So I don't know if maybe that's also what you're referring to there, but that's often kind of the debate between.

[B]

The two with, yeah, yeah, well, predestination versus self determination or whatever and humans.

[C]

Having their ability to reject God. Bottom line, is your salvation already being predestined?

[F]

Yeah, I believe that people can Reject him? They shouldn't, but they have the ability to.

[B]

Well, were they predestined to reject him? That's the question. Anyways, it's a never ending cycle. If you want to, we could be here all day. Yeah, but the point is, if your heart is leading you to a very close relationship with Jesus Christ and you're trying to get to church, you want to learn more about him and read your scripture. I would tell you this. The mark of a new Christian, in my experience, is that they just can't get enough of the scripture. Yeah, they just want to devour it. And it's different for everybody, I will say, but I've just seen that that has been one repeat thing. They just can't get their head out of the scriptures. And so read the Bible, let it fill you. Let it fill your heart. And again, revival comes through repentance. When the mass of people in a country or in a community just feel called to repent and give their lives to the Lord. What is repentance? Metanoia, right, is the Greek. And that means turning around, means saying sorry and turning in the other direction. So I always think of it as you're marching straight to hell. Jesus stops you on the way. Metanoia. You turn around, you say sorry and you march the other direction. You go towards heaven. And God wants what's best for you. God bless you, by the way. And I just love that. Have you already noticed just God speaking to you, Is your life changing?

[F]

I actually kind of felt, and I don't want to be supernatural, but I tell you, I felt like Charlie sent me there because it was a memorial for Charlie and he was always happy to. I used to love your faith and Freedom nights. They were my favorite, my favorite thing that he could do. And the pastor summits were so great. They'd find a brave pastor. I used to have a brave pastor. And my old church, I don't want to go into it, but they went into allowing gay marriage and then they fired my pastor because she wouldn't do gay marriage. So I wasn't at a church for 10 years. And now the church that I was.

[D]

Baptized, there's so many stories like that. It's so bad.

[F]

And I was baptized by my grandfather in my old church.

[B]

Wow.

[F]

So I've been meandering around trying to find a good church. And also I wasn't the best at Bible study. It was always kind of. You need somebody who knows it. Right. It's a lot. It's a lot.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

But this church is it was founded in 1750. He's a very brave pastor. He spoke about the trans insanity. He got death threats when he wanted to do the memorial for Charlie. He stood firm on that. There were a lot of police there. He's a brave man. He's a great pastor.

[B]

What's his name?

[F]

I just sort of felt like Pastor Hasselback.

[B]

Great. Thank you. What part of the country he's.

[F]

We're in Rockland County, New York.

[B]

God bless him. He passed the test. All right, go ahead, Blake.

[F]

Yes. So I feel like I could go there and I'm not gonna, like, be horrified what happens 10 years later, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was very hard to lose my first church. Very hard.

[D]

I was thinking how tough that is. Like my grandparents who've passed since, you know, they were ELCA Lutherans. That church embraced gay marriage, everything else. So they had to leave. But they were leaving a church. They had personally helped build the building. It is. And there's so many little tragedies like that that have happened across American Christianity.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Andrew Colvett here, executive producer of this fine show where we remember Charlie and we heap contempt and shame on those who choose to lie about him. Can I get that? Shame. I think we got a little sound effect for this. Shame, shame, shame, shame. Yeah.

[D]

No. So, yeah, so this is.

[B]

We'll see.

[D]

We'll probably be doing this on other things and not necessarily always Charlie stuff, but we had to lead off with this. We were debating who we would hit this week and then I saw this in my email this morning and I was like, we gotta hit it. This is the target. So Thomas Chatterton Williams is this very aggravatingly centrist writer. He, like, I think he lives in a castle in Europe or something. And seriously.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And memorably last, literally just last week, he wrote in response to the Charlie Memorial, this tweet that was essentially I, you know, I've lived in multiple different countries, but I've never felt as alienated as I did. We find this because I had no understanding the same. Same guy. Same guy.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

Now this week in the Atlantic yesterday, he has this article titled the Other Martyr. Maga has found it's George Floyd. And so he's, he's tweeting about this, quoting all of this and. Yeah, so that's the article. I think we have a photo of him too, if you want to show.

[B]

Yeah, we've got a bunch of images of this guy.

[D]

He's like for many. So I'll just read a quote from this. For many on the left, Floyd's asphyxiation turned a flawed and desperate man into a Christ figure. Someone who bore the weight of the world's failings and in so doing, cleared a path to fix them. In the feverish weeks since Charlie Kirk's assassination, the Magarite is undergoing its own religious ferment, animated by a new martyr. Just as the left used Floyd's death to justify and hasten all manner of political ends, the right is invoking Kirk's name to advance illiberal aims and silence opponents. Alright, I've got, let's see, four minutes here. I'm just gonna blow this guy up.

[A]

Shame him.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Shame. First of all, There it is. Shame, shame.

[D]

So, but let's just be real here. So first of all, if we're just going to compare these two, I think you can judge, I think you can to some extent judge factions by who they decide to make into heroes. So let's compare, yes. The life stories here between Charlie Kirk and George Floyd.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Did you just do it? Did you just. Coffee house George Floyd.

[D]

George Floyd was essentially career criminal. He participated in a robbery where he held a gun to a woman's stomach.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

He was having an encounter. He was repeatedly involved in drugs. He has an encounter with a police officer that ends his life because he's trying to pass a fake $20 bill at a gas station.

[B]

Can I just pause right there? Two of the people that George Floyd was with that day did not freak out, and they are alive today. And just for the record.

[D]

And just. But he is attempting to commit counterfeiting. A police officer comes in. It's not unclear, but it seems very likely. He basically swallowed a large amount of drugs he was afraid he would be caught with. He freaks out in the back of a car, which causes him to be restrained. He dies of this basically from a drug overdose. And that is the sum of George Floyd's life, essentially. Well, also, let's compare that. Yeah. So I guess if you want to find similarities between them, you could say, you know, George Floyd like, you know, committed armed robbery against an innocent person. And Charlie never committed armed robbery against an innocent person. So they're kind of. They're unified by this. This theme of robbery. That one committed it and the other did not. And, you know, he. I think he had a. You know, I don't believe he was married to the mother. He had a child, I believe.

[B]

Yes, Charlie, that's what I'm.

[D]

Charlie did marry a woman and then had children with her who. And he remained loyal to her, was a loving husband and was a. Frankly lived a model life for others to imitate. If you were to imitate Charlie's life, you will be happy and successful and have a great family. If you were to imitate George Floyd's life, you will probably die at a young age.

[B]

Just so you're aware, he was 46 and a father of five children. So.

[D]

Alrighty. But like, let's go beyond that. Okay, let's. Let's also compare it. The Floyd and the Charlie Kirk moments after Charlie. We had zero riots. We had zero giant mobs, like, trying to torch big cities. We had zero people, like trying to do a revelation. We had zero statues toppled. Never mind with zero statues toppled. Whereas with Floyd, we have riots in D.C. we have riots in Minneapolis, we have riots. We have follow on riots in Kenosha and everywhere else that are basically inspired by this with, you know, some new case to justify it. We have an entire summer of Floyd with one riot after another. We have literally thousands of businesses burned, looted. We have them trying to put up this, you know, we support blm. Please don't burn us. Burned down anyway. We had a police station broken into by antifa in Minneapolis and burned to the ground while the authorities of Minneapolis ran and hid. We didn't have any of that for Charlie. We had a big rally in a stadium to memorialize him. I don't. Rally's ongoing. We had a big memorial in a stadium that was like a revival in which all the people who were there as security said, wow, nothing bad happened. Nobody was arrested, no problems. It was the cleanest event they'd ever run.

[B]

Totally. In which Erica, his widow, forgave the murderer. The most incredible act of Christian charity and forgiveness you will ever see in a public setting.

[D]

So, yeah, actually, I'll give you this. If you want to call this our George Floyd, I'll take that because I'll take that comparison every day. Let's make that comparison.

[B]

Let's go. Go off, Blake. Go off, Blake. And to this. To this writer. What's his name again? What's his name again?

[D]

Thomas chatterton Williams.

[B]

What a really annoying person. Thomas chatterton Williams, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. That's how I feel. All right. Shame.

[D]

All right, all right, let's.

[B]

Yeah, let's take another caller. Let's take Greg. Greg, can you hear us, guys?

[G]

What's going on?

[B]

We just. We're letting Blake, you know, we all grieve in our own ways. I think, you know, Blake go off. So that's how we're doing. We're all in that mode right now. Greg, what's your question?

[G]

Just real quick, just wanted to thank you guys for everything you guys do. I mean, Charlie was one of one and, you know, grand canyon void to fill. But you guys are doing an incredible job. I just want to say that. But real quick on immigration. So just wanted to get your take on it. I'm Polish. I'm from Poland originally. Came here in 95, you know, got my green card, went through the whole ordeal process. Now I'm a u. S. Citizen. So it's, you know, it's really infuriating what's going on with this whole immigration and I don't know, like, what is the percentage of people like myself, I'm hoping it's bigger than just very small, but that are infuriated by all the. All this illegal stuff and, you know, just the democrats just being, you know, throwing all these privileges and rights at them and. And here I am, like, just go through the process, like, and it's kind of infuriating to see all that happen.

[D]

It's profoundly insulting is what it is, Greg, because it's worse than just that. You went through the process and other people are getting in without doing the process. We make it easier and better for the individuals who are violating the process where if you just show up at our border illegally, you can do some cheat code to get temporary protected status or you're an asylum seeker and. And then you're eligible for way more stuff often than a person who actually comes here legally is. In terms of programs, you get a fast track to all sorts of stuff. Whereas if you're trying to come here legally as like a high skilled person, there's so many hoops you have to jump through. It's so difficult for everyone to hire you or do all of this. And it is profoundly insulting. And I think it's something that is really underrated because the claim is always that anyone who came here as an immigrant is going to be angry. And if we restrict immigration in any way. But I think you're testament to the fact that no, a person who follows the law, a person who actually admires what made America great and came here for that, is going to be very angry at, you know, a faction that just treats America as a giant pile of like, money to be looted by the rest of the world.

[B]

So I just want to say that I completely agree with you and I would also like to say that as well that for young people, immigration is a total. Like they are the ones getting screwed over the most. Because what happens is we bring in all these H1Bs, which are technically legal, but it's a scam system. But we also bring in all these illegals that'll work the hotel jobs and the restaurant jobs and the cooks and all this stuff. And those were the jobs generations prior that were largely taken by high school kids that would be the entryway into a career. Maybe they would start their own restaurant someday, maybe they would start their own hotel someday. But they never got started. They end up getting sucked down some pathway on the Internet or some discord channel or some Reddit thread. And this is, you know, this is what's happening to a whole generation. So we believe that you need to stop this. Americans need to get the jobs, immigrants need to go home, and we need to dramatically reform and curtail our legal immigration system so that only people like you are getting through. I saw this meme, by the way, cuz Rahim Kassam is a friend of the show the National Pulse as well. Great, great website. You need to check it out. TheNationalPulse.com and the meme was like, can Raheem Kassam just be the final arbiter on who gets in and who doesn't? I was like, that would be great because Raheem is a good, quality addition to the United States of America. He's a patriot. He came to the memorial, did a whole video about it. It was beautiful. But the point is, there are good immigrants. But we are so fed up in this country with getting the system gamed and having our people screwed over in the process. It's a breakdown of the social compact because as a nation, we owe it to our own people to make sure they're taken care of first. And until somebody in Washington or some think tank can prove to me that our people are taken care of, then I'm with Charlie Kirk on this. I'll take an immigration moratorium as far as I'm concerned. But I still like that people like you got in. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turningpoint and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now hear Charlie, in his own words tell you about Yrefi.

[A]

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[B]

Youm know, so this is funny. There's a whole move. I mean, I'm telling you, things are coming out of the woodwork. I don't know that Blake is on board with this, but there's a whole move of people that really want us to have a halftime show, counter programming. I'm not kidding. There's people putting up real opportunities. So I would love to hear. Email us freedomarliekirk.com do you think Turning Point should be involved in some Sort of concert. Maybe with Creed? Yeah, maybe. I. People keep saying Forest Greed.

[D]

I don't know.

[B]

Zach Brown.

[D]

Do we know if Creed would be into this?

[B]

I'm pretty sure the lead singer would be. I don't know. I'm hearing that the band might not be available, but the lead singer might be. Somehow there's like a. I'm not exactly sure.

[C]

Or we could do Taylor Swift.

[B]

Michael Caboose. Only if Nickelback can be there, too. Sorry. Michael Caboose. Anyways, next question. Here we have Jill. Jill, are you there?

[H]

Hey, great.

[B]

Hey.

[I]

We are in Missouri and we have a bunch of adults that want to get involved, like the kids. Is there anything you can do to help us get started?

[B]

So I thought about this. I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that we probably need to do something on the action side. So we already have an adult group and it's called Turning Point Action. And that is. You're talking about, you know, you're upset. Daisy gives me a little, like, preview, by the way. So here. So something they're passing. You know, you have politicians that are passing liberal laws, liberal agenda items.

[I]

Absolutely.

[B]

That would be a very political thing. And so we already have an adult, or at least something that adults can get involved in. We have a lot of young people also involved in that. But Turning Point action is the 501C4, so whereas turning point USA is the C3. We don't do RNC stuff. We don't do candidate stuff. It's just conservative ideas, American, pro American ideas on college campuses, high school campuses. The C4 endorses candidates. The C4 goes and knocks doors. The C4 has an app, and you can get out there and send letters, you can send postcards, you can do all those types of things through the app. So what we probably need to do is we just need to have, like, state chapters or something. Or like chapters for Turning Point Action where people can get involved in the grassroots. Because right now we launched it in earnest ahead of the 2024 election. And that was a get out the vote campaign. Really. That was the. There was. It does more. There's like, again, we have a scorecard. We rate candidates, we rate elected members of Congress and the Senate, things like that. But it sounds like we need to maybe ramp that up a little bit because we could create a standing army with chapters in these different states. Maybe there's local chapters. I don't know where in Missouri you are, but we could do something like that. But kind of. We already have what you're talking about. And you know, obviously we have our national events. Amfest is an all ages event. So we'll have, let's say, five, six, seven, 8,000 students. I have no idea what it's going to be this year. I think we had like 7,000 last year, but beyond the 7,000 young people, we had 21,000 people in Phoenix. This year's going to be much bigger, just simply because there's just so much more attention. But, you know, you can go to those too. And there's a whole bunch of TP action programming that's also a part of amfest. We do breakout sessions. Tyler does a great job. The whole action team does a great job there. So. So that would be my answer. Is that satisfactory to you, Jill, or are you.

[I]

That's very helpful. What we're looking for really is the structure to build a club underneath. At the state level, we were part of a Republican club called the Pachyderm Club. It was not very satisfactory. Last year, our club raised $25,000. All of that's going to sponsor kids to Amfest and to other TPUSA events. We have so far 12 people coming this year.

[B]

Great.

[I]

And we sent. We sent seven girls to Dallas and one kid to Tampa.

[B]

Fantastic. Fantastic.

[I]

So we are.

[F]

Yeah.

[I]

And actually Riley Gaines was our speaker at our event. So we are, we are totally all in. We just need some structure to help us grow.

[B]

I was gonna say. So I'm gonna pitch this idea to Tyler. Obviously, we're drinking. We're all drinking through a fire hose right now. You could, you can't imagine. It's like every day people are contacting us about something else. But this is, this is actually something at a grassroots level that is, that feels core to the mission and something we could say yes to. So we have coalition teams and maybe that's the way to do this. But yeah, I think, I think there's just so much need and desire out there. Thank you, Jill, for the idea. I will give an update if there's an update to be had because I agree with you. So thank you for your call and thank you for being a member. Members.charlie kirk.com members.charliekirk.com you can join. Help keep the lights on. The future is less certain. But we are going to keep going. And you [e-mail] help us move into the future with confidence. We just love you guys and thank you so much. Next caller is Kelsey. Kelsey, it sounds like you have a T. Swift question.

[I]

Yes, I do have a Taylor Swift question, but I'm not a Swiftie. Fair enough to say that. Okay, so her new album just dropped, right? And on her track wish list, she essentially states that people want to get rich and have things or experiences, but she just wants her man. And she has a line in it that says, I just want. You have a couple kids, got the whole block looking like you. Charlie talked about getting married and having kids and even shared that he wanted that for Taylor when her engagement news came out. And I like to think that Charlie, given his general dislike or maybe neutrality towards her, would really love that line and would just like your guys thoughts on that.

[B]

So I'll chime in first, you guys feel free to fill in the blanks here. But Charlie, one of the last sort of, if you will, controversies that Charlie was in was when he just said, Taylor, I hope this makes you more conservative and I hope you get married, you have lots of babies. And then he said, he said, but if you don't take his last name, you don't really mean it. Yeah. And so. Which I still believe, I still believe too. He was actually, it's funny because he took all this heat for it, but he was. And I remember Laura Ingraham asked him about it.

[C]

Our Taylor Swift experts.

[D]

Get her in the chair. Yes.

[B]

And by the way, you're gonna have to give a baby update, Daisy as well. But Charlie actually, actually, actually in private group chat form where it's, you know, like people don't believe he was actually really happy about it. He was like, this is good. He wanted young people to look at her and see the example of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, disagreements aside, and said, I hope that they will follow in her footsteps. But just earlier, don't wait till you're like 34, 35. How old is she now?

[H]

30, 36, I think. But I will say, okay, Swift. Hi. Hi everyone.

[B]

How's the baby?

[H]

Great.

[C]

Sorry, are you naming your baby Taylor Swift?

[H]

No, no. Blake actually thinks I should name my baby first name, turning middle name Point.

[C]

But I don't know, this could be an option.

[B]

How about Charlie Point Baby.

[H]

But okay, I will say because we've had this conversation with Charlie before where he's like, I just wish that I'm glad she's settling down. I wish she had done it sooner. And Emma and I have told him every time she, all of her last albums, if you listen them, she was in a relationship for like six years. And every song she's like, I want to get married, I want to have children. This person kind of her last album was like, he blindsided me. He did not want these things that he said he wanted. So then I think that happens to a lot of women where then they end up.

[B]

Yeah, it does.

[H]

32, 33, 34.

[B]

Yes.

[H]

You haven't found someone.

[B]

Men, do not waste women's time. My admonition to you men in the audience, get in and get out if you know, you don't want to keep going. Do not linger on. Do not waste her time. That goes both ways, by the way. But that I have seen that particular, that particular dynamic play out so many times.

[H]

I mean even I remember we talked about this, you, me and Charlie when her last album came out. And that was right after the breakup. And she said I'm mad essentially that you let me give you all that youth for free. Like just feeding me all these lies to keep giving that to you. So now I'm really happy for her. Charlie was happy for her.

[B]

Also on the woman though, because I'm telling you, if a man wants to marry you, what do you think the approach. Okay, question for the audience. I'd love freedomarliekirk.com Tell me what you think. If you are a woman or a man who wants to get married to your boyfriend or girlfriend, at what point do you say if you're not going to commit to me, I'm done, I'm moving on. I love you and I want this to work. But if you're not gonna commit to me, I gotta, I gotta cut this off. At what point do you. Cuz it wasn't she with him for like four years?

[H]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's way too long. That's way too long.

[H]

A long time. I went on my first date with my husband when I was 19.

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

And essentially on our first day I was like, either we are going to be exclusive and be in a relationship or I'm not interested in dating you or really being your friend. And then he was like, oh my gosh. Okay, we're, we're gonna be together now. And so it works when girls and.

[B]

The other thing called those four other girls and told them no, just kidding.

[H]

Luke, if you're listening, the other thing.

[C]

Too is, you know, a lot of young Christian people save themselves for marriage and so dating and when you're in kids. Common weapon that historically, you know, Elizabeth and I, our case, you know, we want to, we wanted to get it done.

[B]

We wanted to get quick. That does tend to incentivize getting married. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it's your point? It's a. It's a. It's a very advanced form of societal tech.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Monogamy.

[D]

Last conversation we have with Charlie, why is monogamy good? And why is traditional European Christian monogamy great?

[B]

This is crazy.

[D]

It's like, it's actually insane when you look at how much better it is than alternatives, and you look at societies that don't have it and, like, the men and women hate each other. You look at our society where men and women have way more conflict than they did in the past. The Christian view of marriage is actually so great for curbing the worst impulses of both men and women and making them work together as partners. You don't have men stringing along women. You don't have them victimizing women or preying on them women. You don't have them, like, constantly trying to upgrade to a higher status guy. Polygamy, all of that.

[B]

You're right. And here is 156. This was Charlie talking about T. Swift getting married.

[A]

This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative, engage in reality more, and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert. I can't say it without laughing. You got to change your name. If not, you don't really mean it. Congratulations, Taylor.

[B]

He meant that. All right. Daisy.

[F]

Yes.

[H]

Okay. I just want to say back to our caller. Kelsey, your question. Emma Kate was texting me about the album last night, and she was like, I wish that Charlie we could tell him about this song because I have the lyrics put up here. But she's like, everyone wants to go on spring break. They want dogs that they can call their kids. They want a yacht. They want an Oscar. And she literally says, I just want you. A bunch of kids dreaming about the driveway with a basketball hoop. Settle down. Got a wish list. I just want you and Charlie. We were proven Charlie's prophetic.

[D]

Are you gonna read the lyrics to the woods song now?

[H]

No, I'm okay.

[B]

I haven't.

[H]

I don't even think I've listened to you.

[C]

I do want to just ask the caller, how do you feel that your first name is going to be Taylor Swift's last name?

[I]

I've thought about that, and I am a little uncomfortable. But our name is spelled differently, so there you go.

[C]

All right.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

All right, so we. We've had just a really. This hour just flies by every time. Are we done with Shames? Like just one shame this hour, right? I don't know.

[C]

Blake. Do you want to do another?

[D]

Fun to do more.

[B]

It would be fun to do more to Shames.

[D]

Do you have one you want to hit?

[C]

No, you don't.

[B]

Tahanisi Coates, Nicole Hannah Jones, Don Lamont, J.B. pritz. People don't like it when we talk about Don Lamond. By the way, I saw your email.

[C]

So I saw your name on.

[D]

Oh, man. Which one would we want to go after here?

[B]

There's so many. There are way too many. Look at this. Yes. On a Creed concert at halftime. One million times. Yes. Have Creed. Any rock 90s Christian band that hasn't sold out and yes, do it. The whole USA would support you. You have the opportunity to ratio the stupid halftime show and reveal the heart of the nation. Do it. That's from Aaron. I love that.

[C]

Should we do an Elon Omar Shaming?

[D]

Oh, we could do that one. Yeah, let's do that one. Let's do 138 shame.

[B]

All right. 138 sh. Shame. And so the idea that this is a white nation that needs to be.

[D]

Preserved is a fascinatingly disgusting view because.

[B]

This country is one for the many.

[D]

It's one for the many. It's one for everyone on planet earth, including Ilhan Omar and her dad, who, like, worked for, like, a dictatorship in Somalia that got overthrown so that they can come here and she can marry her brother, which I'm just gonna say, because it's 100% true.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And if she thinks it's not true, like, you know, please sue me, Ilhan Omar, because I'm pretty sure it's true and it should be investigated to basically commit immigration fraud, steal a bunch of money. Like, what a disaster. Like, it's so bad what's happening in America where you can have a lawmaker come in and say, I, I look out for the interests of Somalia first. And there's not really anything we can do about this because she now is in the government. She is controlling the lever that would do what we should do, which is deport her back to Somalia.

[B]

Is there a way to denaturalize?

[D]

You can. If you did crimes or fraud while getting your immigration, like, while getting your citizenship.

[B]

That feels oddly specific and relevant to this particular conversation. Shame, shame. Shame on Ilhan.

[C]

Shame.

[B]

Our next caller here we have Mary. Mary, are you there? We are ready for your question. I am. Hi, guys.

[I]

Sorry about the background noise. We are traveling at the moment.

[B]

You're fine.

[I]

But I want to say, you guys, I am so impressed with how you guys are carrying on the show. It's still surreal, you know, to us that, you know, Charlie's gone, but it feels like he's still here. Erica has been such a source of just power. It's been amazing to watch. But my question, I'm actually curious if you have some advice on, you know, with the current turmoil and division that's going on, what practical role do you think the local church could offer to young people that the digital world can't, that would inspire them to choose faith over fear and actually come back in person to church?

[B]

Mikey.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You're young. You know, church.

[C]

Yeah, I'm young.

[D]

I've seen him in the church before.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

Yeah. I kind of dabble in all of it. On the weekdays, sometimes maybe I'll go to a mass or something. On the weekends, go to another church, as much Jesus as I can get. But right now, for young people, the biggest thing is, like, Forest Frank hearing from Christian artists, going back to church. But then also I'm seeing from messages I'm getting are young people coming to our Turning Point events. And so a lot of them are, like, wanting to come to America Fest, wanting to plug in.

[B]

By the way, we do a Sunday service and worship service at America Fest.

[C]

Yeah, we do every Sunday.

[B]

So. And I think there is, like, this thing, Mary. I've been talking about it a Little bit more and more and more. But this, you know, this idea of new wine and new wineskins. Right. You can't put new wine in old wineskins because it will burst. Right. That's. That's the parable that Jesus gives us. And I think God is doing something new with the new generation. So don't force what he's doing into an old paradigm, into like the image that you have in your head of what it's supposed to look like. Because there is this. The old way was kind of bifurcating the gospel message and a political message or a cultural message or whatever. I think that God is saying our whole lives have to be integrated. Our patriotism, our faith. You know, they're going to call this like Christian Nationals or something. I'm not saying you need to vote for this candidate or that candidate. It might mean that. It oftentimes probably does mean that. But we don't have to make it about that. What we just have to say is don't bifurcate your life. Integrate your faith, just like Charlie did. And I think when it just comes off naturally and you're just honest about what's informing your political views or your cultural views, people respect that. And I think it's a lot more natural. So I would just say be open minded. And to Mikey's point, I think it's a great idea. Send them to Amfest.

[C]

Send them to amplifiers.

[B]

Yeah, send them to. Or get it plugged in at local chapter meetings and just have community. That's the key. We're going to get to one last question here. Tracy, who's in Portland? Tracy, what's your question?

[D]

60 seconds.

[I]

Hi there. I have 60 seconds to talk. Is that what you're saying?

[B]

Yeah, it's a quick one. Sorry.

[F]

Oh, boy.

[I]

Well, I'll fire off the questions. Yeah, I'm a fourth generation Oregonian. I have two generations that follow me. So I'm old enough to be your mom's. And three questions this morning. How do I support Sorter? Nick Sorter, who was arrested and released this morning in Portland down at the riots and then same with another gal that was hit in the face. Anyway, how can I support Katie? You know, I live. I have 100 acres. 20 minutes from Portland can give them a place of respite.

[F]

Quiet.

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, I'll just say this really quick just because we're running out of time. So Harmeet Dhillon is on the case and she is going to be looking into the Portland PD because you shouldn't be arresting journalists. You should be arresting antifa, you should be arresting rioters. So raise your voice as loud as you can, tell the world on social media. Have Nick Sorters back and Katie Davis, of course back, who's also been involved with Turning Point USA in the past. Thank you guys so much for.

[F]

For.

[D]

More on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk. Com.