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Steve Smotherman (18:57)

And so how does this all tie together? Atheism is the fastest growing religion in America. What's the church of atheism? We know our church, we're in it. Got a great church. I asked you what is the what? What is a church? You're sitting in it, it's doing it right. You're helping the community. Community. You're feeding the hungry, you're clothing the cold. You're mentoring those that are broken. And yes, you're taking strong moral stances. What is the church of the atheist? Because whether or not the atheist will admit it or not, community, what you're doing right now, every human being needs. See the cool thing about what we believe in. And cool is a massive understatement, but I'll use that word, is that we have a God sized hole in our heart that only Jesus can fill. And so for atheists or the people that don't believe in a creator, you gotta fill it. So how do they do that? Earthly domination got to take over whatever we possibly can. What's the tried and true way? What are most villains in the Bible? Most people that are portrayed in a negative light, what do they have in common? Abusing governmental rule against the innocent. It's a pretty interesting political truth that we don't talk about enough, right? Pharaoh oppressing the Israelites, Jesus almost being murdered because of an edict to kill firstborn children. Wow. So people in power trying to make themselves permanently and indefinitely important. And so what's happening here in this country is a theological debate. Most of the church doesn't realize it. They're too busy doing TED talks and talking about how God doesn't care about how you vote, which is just such an unbelievably unbiblical thing to say. I'll get to that in a sec. When in reality, here's the theological debate. We believe that there is a God and you are not Him. Let me say that again to the governor of New Mexico. There is a God and you are not Him. That your existence, your thoughts, your choices, your actions, and, yes, your rights come from that creator. A vertical relationship of being. They don't believe that. They believe that government is the sovereign. How did we get here? As America became more secular, became more leftist. The secularization of America leads us to a place where no one questions lockdowns. And the church is to mostly blame for this. This. Not this church, but the church in general, because this is the exception, and you know that. This is the exception to the rule. You have a rule for a reason, and you have exceptions. Most churches over the last 30, 40 years were indifferent to the most important moral and pressing issues of our time. And especially after the Soviet Union crumbled. The wall fell before I was born. We kind of took the 90s easy, didn't we? The 90s. Good time economically, peaceful time politically. Look back, you're like, wow, we had two genders. Dr. Seuss, aunt Jemima, Gone with the Wind. It was like, it was a great time to be alive, right? And now we look, we see. I'm going to constantly say something where I'm going to get canceled. I'm going to get eliminated. And so what happened in the 90s is we went to sleep and the left went to work. They took over everything. The civil service, the academies, the schools, the corporations, the education of your kids, the social media companies. What did we do? We kind of went to sleep. Not to say that the church didn't flourish in the 90s. Of course, you had the Saddleback movement. You had the massive expansion of so many different, you know, the Jesus loves you movement. All that stuff is great. What was the result? The result was, we don't do politics. Politics is for you guys. We're just going to do the gospel. What an unbelievably foolish decision that was. Because when all of a sudden the church was like, we don't do politics. You guys do what you want. We don't do politics. You guys can pass it as long as separation. We believe in separation of church and state, which is unbiblical, unconstitutional, and it's under the Constitution. However, let's pretend that they're right. How about we keep the state out of the church? How about we keep the governor out of this place? And so now we are living the 30 year results of the church being asleep and the left being at work. See, we defeated communism without ever firing a bullet. We had a great president, Ronald Reagan, who framed it properly. You know how Reagan, and he never gets credit for this. And our children that don't study this, I go to these universities and they have no idea about the Soviet Union, east and West Germany, east and West Berlin. But if you ask them about the 1619 project, they could tell you all about it. Get to that, maybe in the next service. Running out of time, as always. And so we defeated the Soviet Union with ideas, with truth, with morals. You know what Reagan called the Soviet Union? The evil empire. That is a godless government. He declared a theological difference. He said, we believe that God created us. They believe Vladimir Lenin created them. Let's see who wins. What happened? They crumbled. And now many of those countries in Eastern Europe are actually more in pursuit of truth than our own country, Poland, Hungary. Not all the countries have their act together. Plenty of corruption, but generally they don't want to go back. And now we're playing with a temptation from the devil. And I don't say that lightly. We are playing with this temptation. You can create utopia here. Just one more government act of universal health care. Just one more act of $1.9 trillion, right? Just one more. We can do it. When in reality the conversation we should be having is before we do another $1.9 trillion. Are you acting the best that you can act? Are you making the decisions best for you? So the church has been asleep. Soviet Union fell because we had a president and a church in the 80s that was reawakened, more so than in the 90s, 90s fell asleep. I was born in the early 2000s and I was told that every church that I attended, no politics, no politics, no politics, no politics, no politics. It's unbiblical. Esther, Mordecai, Daniel, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Joseph, all contested for God's purpose in secular government. They have to wrestle with eclipse the ecclesia thing that I say with. But then also some people say, Pastor Steve, you're in violation of Romans 13, Romans 13, the most quoted and least understood piece of scripture in the Bible. It's funny, the pastors that Gallivan around Romans 13 are very shy to ever talk about any of the other political verses in the Bible. But what does Romans 13 say, and I'm paraphrasing, submit to rulers in authority who's in charge in this country. God, you're right. Who's in charge? Even in our constitutional republic. True, but who else? You. So who do we submit to in America? We submit to the will of the people. You don't submit to some governor that tramples on your first principles. Under Romans 13, written as Paul wrote it, the minute that your God granted rights are violated, they're violating Romans 13. You aren't. We're the sovereign. So I'm your governor. I don't remember her name. Because she doesn't have a name worth remembering. I mean that. No, seriously, it's true. In the Bible, names meant a lot. Names were everything. She has no name worth remembering. She is a tyrant. It's that simple. And she is in the mold of a tyrant. Remember this truth. Scared people are easier to command. Informed people are harder to control. The more you learn, the harder you are to control. And so why the church? Why not Planned Parenthood? Why not BLM Inc? Why not cannabis dispensaries? What is the hyper fixation on the church? Almost like a pathological obsession. Protesters outside, government, health people, fines, you name it. And this church isn't alone, my friend. Mike McClure, Calvary Chapel, San Jose. Facing $2 million of fines for doing exactly what you're doing. He's not backing down. He's doing the right thing. There's more pastors than you would believe that are doing this. We're bringing them together. Rob McCoy, Joe Pettic, James Cadiz, Cody Cool, Jack Hibbs, Jurgen Luke and Angel Barnett. You know some of these names and they are standing. We're going to bring them together. But why the church? It's the only thing they don't control. That's it. Show me one other place of terrain they don't control. You see, they're not interested in building new. They're interested in taking over, destroying and destructing. So they control the universities, they control the civil service. They control a lot of the military. They control mass media. They control your language, whether you realize it or not. They control the tech companies. They control the movies that your kids watch on Disney plus all the way up through Netflix. They control everything. But they're not satisfied. They'll never be satisfied. You know, that is the desire that they have. Because there's something different about a church that bothers them. Bothers them on a very personal level. And who is them? I'm talking about the people that want you shut down, locked down government ordinances. You can call them the left. You can call them secularists. Whatever. These are all interchangeable terms. But you know exactly who I'm talking about. And your governor is a perfect personification of it. Them and all of the public health officials and all the intelligentsia that support her. Why the church? It's because they know the only thing that is in the way of their ultimate power grab is this place is the church. If you look at every successful revolution, they almost always go for the church first. But even before that, they go for the disagreeable churches. You see, Stalin didn't go for every church. He killed thousands of pastors. We don't teach our children this. Thousands didn't kill them all. Why? Because he knew that people, if they had no churches, they would revolt. Instead, he kept the people in the orthodox tradition. That would toe the party line. That would say that Stalin is anointed by God, which is considered in the Old Testament the worst commandment. Now that we don't talk about this correctly, people say taking God's name in vain is the worst commandment. That is true. You go back to the original Hebrew. It's not just saying God as an expletive, which no one should do. It's different. It's doing evil in the name of God. That is the thing that is worse than anything else. Doing that which is immoral. And saying God is on your side. Saying that God wants Planned Parenthood to remain open. That is the worst thing you can do, is saying how God's purpose is somehow for an evil. The church bothers them. They need the churches closed because then they'll be in total control. People say, well, Charlie, what do they want to do next? They haven't thought that through. They just want power. They want power. No different than Napoleon, no different than. They just want terrain. They want power. We want freedom. That's why we are not built for this. But we got to get trained. And I see your eagerness. Why are we not built for this? Because for us, we kind of want government to be a second or third concern. Our family, our church, our profession, and our hobby should matter more than our government. Our government should remain where it's supposed to in a limited constitutional form, so then we can live our life. Their life is the government, because it's their church. Remember, every person needs community and connection. Here you worship God in a different way and almost in a parallel way. In the last year, they look to the state for all the answers. I'm by no means saying we should get rid of government. Government should enforce our laws. We should have judges. We should have police. And we should thank our police officers for doing an amazing job. But government has a very specific role. In fact, it's the Bible that originally talked about what government should be. But did you know for decades Israel had no standing army and no military and virtually no crime. Why? Because everyone knew the law and they were the self enforcing police of the law. And then what did they say? God give us a king, so be careful what you wish for. And then it started to unravel and deteriorate from there. And so we're in a theological debate in this country. Very few Christians admit it. And it's really a question of who's in charge? Where do your rights come from? And even a more basic and fundamental question, which is, who do you blame for your problems? So really simple, this is. I talk about this with students all the time. And if you are a student, my next speech will be all about young people, college education, social media, completely tailored to the next generation. And so if that interests you, please go to that because these kind of work in a little bit of like a chapter sequence. But I'll touch on this right now. We used to tell our young people in the 1950s and 60s correctly that you're pretty screwed up and America's awesome. Now we tell our young people, you're wonderful and America's terrible. We completely turned it on its head. For parents out there, let me tell you one piece of biblical truth. Self control is infinitely more important to teach your kids than self esteem. The great, the great Dennis Prager talks about this quite often. You know who has a ton of self esteem? This is very provocative. I can't wait for this to get written up. Murderers. They do psychological analysis by independent studies one after the other. You think so? You must think highly of yourself to take another life. That's not to say that you should just beat yourself up all the time. That's not what I'm suggesting. But the self esteem movement has done such unbelievable damage and harm to my generation. Unspeakable damage. I remember walking through high school and there were these signs that said, you're perfect the way you are. And I remember turning to my teacher then, why the heck are we here? Everything's done if I'm perfect the way I am. Now the intention of the self esteem movement might be good. We're beating our kids up too much. We got to lift them up. Okay, There might be some adjustments that could have been made, but to flip it on its head and say, you could do anything you want when you want to do it you're the most important thing in the world. There is a gravitational pull around your existence with such an unbelievable disservice. We have the most suicidal depressed generation in American history, the most drug addicted, device addicted. And again, my next speech will be specifically tailored to that where we teach young people in college that the biggest problem in the world is America is something existential. In reality, the biggest problem in the world is you. It's your actions to your relationship with your creator. You got to get your act together. Stop blaming other people. Make better choices. Stop doing drugs. Tell the truth. Wake up earlier, work harder. It's easier to blame other people. And I'm all for pointing out plenty of injustices. And a great way to a great example is in New Mexico. Here is the governor has. Has really unfairly gone after so many people that there's a legitimate claim that you could say that I have not been able to do something because of what the governor did. And I'm not one to glorify victimhood, but legitimately, if you're a small business owner in New Mexico, you are a victim. And I don't say that lightly. I reserve that label for when it is necessary. When I go to a college campus and I see a black woman at Harvard and she says, I'm oppressed, I say, not oppressed. You're the luckiest black woman in the history of the world. You're at Harvard, work hard, you'll be ahead of a law firm. Stop telling me how oppressed you are. And first of all, you're. You're lucky. I'm oppressed because I'm a black woman at Harvard. Give me a break. This Oppression Olympics nonsense has got to stop this competition of I'm the most oppressed person in the world. None of you are oppressed even remotely. As much as 99% of the rest of the world. You live in America, make good choices, succeed, be thankful. It's that simple. Oh, they're going to love that one, Pastor Steve. Now, while I'm on it, and I. And I just say this, we're the least racist country in the history of the world.

Charlie Kirk (37:05)

I.

Steve Smotherman (37:05)

One of the biggest lies, one of the most dangerous lies. I'm going to try to fit this in with the six minutes I have remaining. It's not easy. Is. Look, the devil seeks to divide. We know that the gospel seeks to unite. It is unifying gospel by definition. Paul says clearly, neither slave nor master, nor Greek nor Jew, we are all one in the body of Christ. I think your skin color is completely irrelevant. I don't care what you look like, I care how you act. I don't care about the melanin content in your skin. It's irrelevant. If you care about people's skin color, you're the racist, not me. It's that simple. Now let me say there are racists in America.

Charlie Kirk (37:44)

No doubt.

Steve Smotherman (37:45)

But we have a supply and demand problem with racists in America. There's such an unbelievably limited supply and this pent up demand to find them. We're actually more decent than we give ourselves credit for. You know how the only way you could believe people are good is if you live in America where people are basically good. You go to the rest of the country, the rest of the world. It's not always the case. We are the most generous country in the history, the planet. The most accepting, the most benevolent, the least likely to judge on race. And yet I have to go through this non stop narrative which is designed to divide that there's someone lurking in the shadows that wants to hold you back based on your skin color. Let me be very clear. If there's a racist in the audience, you got work to do to repent and to communicate with your creator and ask for forgiveness. I mean that it's a sin. However, your mere existence as a white heterosexual male does not mean that you are currently participating or engaging in the sin of racism. It doesn't. And anything to the contrary is a lie. In fact, it's a hyper fixation. Or to try to keep people down to convince them they can't succeed because there's a boogeyman around the corner. When in reality, if you get married before you have kids, you graduate from high school and get a job, you're going to be just okay in this country generally. And don't commit crimes. It's a tough message, but it's true. When in reality it's easier. You know how much easier my life would be, Steve, if I just went around and I had a list of people you could blame? Seriously. Your employer, Your parents. Which is another thing I'm going to talk about in the next thing I do want to mention it here. It's a very important thing. What's the first thing tyrants always do before they go after the church first? Very important. They turn their kids against their parents. Ma did it, Stalin did it too. And you're seeing it now. You're seeing these spoiled brats on Tik Tok. And I mean that, that, that are getting tons of praise from celebrities for Talking about how awful their parents are. Why did God put that in the Ten Commandments? Honor your parents, not love. Completely different word. It's the only commandment with a promise so that you may live long in the land of which you are in and prosper. You don't do that. You don't prosper. Now, I understand plenty of people have parents who have abused them and all of that. I get it. That's an exception. The rule is that generally your parents weren't awful. Generally. And I know there are plenty of stories I hear about it. However, I see people all the time. I don't talk to my parents anymore. I say, why? Well, because, you know, they disagree with me on this and this. I say, no. There's a specific commandment that you must honor your parents. You must communicate with them. They might have something that you can learn to know the road ahead. Ask those coming back. They might be a little bit whatever. But all of a sudden, to have the pride that I have it all figured out, my parents don't. That is how civilizations disintegrate, and that's what they want to do. It's what Mao did. It's what Stalin did. He brought in the young kids. That's what the National Socialist Worker Party in Germany did when he brought in all the kids. They say, your parents don't know. We know. Obey the state. That's why all of a sudden you have kids going to their parents. Like, you don't understand the existential threat of climate change. You don't understand how systemically racist we are, pitting kids against their parents, destroying that compact. It's intentional. Because then all of a sudden, your governor becomes more important, because who are they going to look to for authority? People need authority. And if it's not the parent, who hopefully, God willing, will be getting their authority and their wisdom from the Bible and from God. This vertical relationship of civilization replication, which has worked very well for Western society. We've just decided, you know what? Everything before us was a mistake. Let's just throw it to the shredder. Basically, the ethos of college campuses that everyone who came before us, if someone was a white male before the 1800s, they just don't make it into the curriculum because they must have been completely evil, which is such an unbelievably awful way to look at life. So let me kind of tie this all together. What you're doing here in New Mexico is on the forefront of what matters most in America. Let me tell you why you do not live in Texas. You don't live in Alabama or Mississippi. The fight here is harder. It's easier to cower and conform. You know how much easier? You guys know it. If you put your Black Lives Matter sign outside of your home. Blm. Don't. Don't. You know, don't come after me. I got it. Look how good of a person I am. Right? All that. It's harder to go to a church like this. It's harder to articulate these ideas and values. Harder to go against the governor, my goodness, she has the state police, she has executive orders. But I think the country that we all love, which is the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world and the greatest experiment in civil government. And let me be very clear. We are not a perfect country. I've never, I would never say something like that. We are the best country and we're an excellent country. And we're a moral country. We are because of our tradition, our culture, our history, our values, our ideas, how we are founded, recognizing we were made in God's image and protecting those rights that God gave us. No other country has ever done that. No country. This country will survive or disintegrate based on whether or not the freedom loving people contest in the tough fights. In the tough fights. That is what will determine the future of America. So in a decade from now, when I returned to this church, or whenever I'm coming in July, but let's say 10 years from now, I'll be back sooner than that, we'll look around and we'll say either every person who was here said, now this is a mandate for action, or I'm just going to kind of cower because the stakes are too high. That's what's going to determine the future of America. So let me tell you two things that will give you hope and optimism. Number one, we know the laws of nature, right? Law of gravity, law of thermodynamics, law of Newtonian physics. These are laws you can prove in science. And I would like to add one to the scientific community. The left destroys everything they touch, everything it says, try to, everything. They destroy the Boy Scouts, they're trying to destroy the church. They destroy universities, they destroy companies. So they're going to mess this up and we will have an opportunity at that moment. I believe it's happening here in New Mexico. And here's the second piece of truth that I will tell you. You're actually much, much more influential and powerful than you might think. It is the enemy that whispers in your ear where you say, my action doesn't matter. My words mean nothing and I'm going to do nothing. Apathy. Being indifferent is a gift to the enemy that wants to put evil into the hearts and minds of our young people. It's a gift to the enemy that wants to continue to slaughter the unborn, the. The confusion of gender. You're a lot more powerful than you might think. You're also a lot tougher than you might think. I don't think people give themselves enough credit. I don't. Especially in the last year. Seriously, you're a lot tougher than you, than you think. And you should be. Especially. Everyone here should be applauded for that. So let me give you two action items. One that Steve mentioned, if you guys are able. It helps me a lot personally and our movement from being canceled by these big tech companies. Every device has a podcast app. You type in Charlie Kirk show, you hit subscribe. Maybe I said something that motivated you to action. You want to hear more? We do two podcasts today, one on Saturday, one on Sunday. And if every person in this church and watching at home did it, we would beat Rachel Maddow in the podcast charts, which I would love to do, everybody. How great would that be? Either on Spotify or on Apple News. And here's the last thing and run out of time every time. The Bible is the word of God. There's no other book ever written like it. Some people might be here and you might have never been involved in church or whatever. And you might say, I came here for Charlie and you know, I don't know about this church thing. That's fine. Welcome. There's a creator that wants to get to know you, that gave you a gift so that you can live forever. You're broken by your nature. You're not going to get enough points on the scoreboard to get you to eternal life. And there is a gift that you can accept that can get you there. The gospel in four words is Jesus took my place. The gospel in three words is him for me. Two words. Substitutionary atonement. In one word, grace. What is grace? We say that a lot. Amazing grace. Well, first we must talk about what justice is. Justice is getting what you deserve. A prison sentence. A judge comes in and say, you broke into the store. You get a year in prison. Mercy. As you go in front of the judge, they say, you broken the store, but you serve a month in prison instead of a year. It's getting less of a sentence. But grace is at your sentencing hearing. When someone shows up and says, I'll serve the prison sentence for that guy. That's what Jesus gives you. God bless you guys and thank you so much.

Charlie Kirk (46:55)

Thanks so much for listening everybody.

Steve Smotherman (46:57)

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Charlie Kirk (46:59)

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Steve Smotherman (47:11)

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