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My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.
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Use me.
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Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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All right, Happy Monday. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. My name is Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this fine show. Honored to be with you all. I am back in Phoenix after a weekend away in Palm Beach. However, Blake Neff is still in West Palm, so he's joining us. Remote. Hey, Blake.
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Howdy, Andrew. Good to see you.
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C
It was.
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We had a great weekend here.
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We had an amazing weekend. I just. I got to give so many kudos and props to the Turning Point team, the galas. This was Charlie's super bowl weekend. He loved it. It was probably the most hyped you would see Charlie, except for maybe Amfest or Student Action Summit. But, I mean, he really, really focused in and got dialed in for these for our galas that we do at Mar a Lago. It was an amazing, amazing weekend, and it was special. And, Blake, I know you can speak to this as well. This was the first time we did this without Charlie. And the response and the reaction from some of Turning Point's biggest supporters was truly remarkable. And it meant a lot to us. I know it meant a lot to Erica and the team. Everybody stepped up. Everybody chipped in and played a role and did their part. And. And it was great to see and really heartwarming to see because you never know what you're gonna get after something like this. But to see our friends and family, the wider Turning Point family rally behind the organization, was something to see.
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It was. It was. We have. You had hundreds of people, people who'd known Charlie for years, people who'd never met Charlie, people who were motivated to come out because of the tragedy this fall, but he'd still deeply inspired them. We heard accounts. I was talking to someone who said he'd started. He'd modeled his entire professional life off of following Charlie. He was much older than Charlie, but he said, you know, I worked really hard. But then when Charlie came around and said, actually, I'm doing a Sabbath now, he adopted the same thing. He said it transformed his life. And so over and over, we were meeting people whom Charlie had moved to deeper faith, to deeper involvement, deeper patriotism, deeper concern for their country. And it was really incredible to see them all come together to remember him, to testify about him, and to continue the mission forward onward, as Charlie would say.
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Yeah, you know, I. So every year is a little bit different at these galas. And I will tell you two things. You kind of inspired two thoughts. One was that I couldn't get past people that would just come up to me and they would just start crying or get emotional about what Charlie had meant to them. And two, how many first timers we had, because, you know, this is an annual event, and so you get a lot of repeat people. There was so many first timers that had been moved to come and join us at Mar a Lago. So it was absolutely packed and a beautiful, beautiful testament. Yeah, just. Just to Charlie, but also the work that. That he did, you know, building an institution that, you know, was his. It was his goal, it was his. His wish that it would outlive him. And we obviously thought that he was going to be, you know, 98 before that happened. But we're. We're watching it in real time. And I'm just really. I can't say it enough. I'm just so proud of the team and how they stepped up. We've got lots and lots of other news. But you did mention the book or you mentioned Sabbath. And Charlie's book does come out this week. His last book, Stop in the Name of God. And Erica is doing media to promote Charlie's book. It is. Blake, you know this more intimately than I do. I think this is Charlie's potentially the most powerful personal book because a lot of the, you know, it was Magadoctrine, it was the college scam, it was right. Right wing revolution. These were sort of heady books about policy topics or ideological topics. This is a very personal book. It's very different in that way. And it's terribly tragic that this is the last book we have from Charlie. But in some ways, now that we know that that's the case. It's really apropos. And I think it comes out this week, and we're going to be repeating that it's coming out this week on the show. And it's a powerful book. How does this book, Blake, because you were so intimately involved with Charlie's prep for these books, how does this book kind of differ tonally, and why is it important?
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Well, it's, as you say, it is so much more personal. When he was deciding, for example, right Wing Revolution, the thought was, okay, what are the issues that matter for America? What should we speak to the most? And you'll know we debated a few different possible topics for a book, and that's what went out versus this was really. It was the book he personally wanted to write about his. His life. He wanted it as a tribute to Dennis Prager, who'd inspired him to begin practicing the Sabbath himself. And he. He thought it was a gift he could give to his readers, to his supporters. This is something that can directly enrich your life. There's elements of that in Right Wing Revolution. If you read the back half of that, there's a lot of ways to improve your own personal life. But this is fully dedicated to that.
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It's.
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It's directly inspired by his own experiences. It's by far his most personal book. I think you could maybe say the College Scam was his strongest politically related message because he was so emphatic about, you don't need to spend 100, $200,000 to get a degree to succeed. And he was a proof of that himself, and he wanted that message to get out. But this is the most. Just purely personal, and it's his most spiritual book. It's his first directly religious book. And I think that meant a lot to him as well. It was his chance to really dive into the Bible, dive into the history of the Jewish and Christian faiths and really explore that. So it's not just that the message was very personal for him. It's also that the process of writing it was a very personal, spiritual, enjoyable endeavor for him. I think it was his. His refuge from a lot of. A lot of annoying things that were, of course, going on in the past year.
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Yeah, well, absolutely. And you don't have to be somebody of faith to get a lot out of this book. Rest is a mandate from God, certainly, but it's good for everybody. And Charlie, it was really not a mandate.
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A gift.
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It is a gift. No, totally, totally. Well said. But it really will unlock. It's something I've Been in the wake of Charlie's assassination. Something I've been personally trying to practice and just to take time, I actually brought my family out to West Palm beach and Palm beach, because I usually don't because we got three little kids. So it's hard to travel and it's a work trip, so you get distracted. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna spend some time with them. And that was a direct reaction to Charlie's instructions. And.
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This final gift of this book. So you can get that@45books.com please check it out. I just think it's so. It's such a beautiful book and I haven't even read all of it yet and I'm getting so much out of it. I'm learning stuff from Charlie that we talked a lot about this book and I'm learning stuff in the book that we did not talk about. It's amazing. The other big news of the day, however, and by the way, that book comes out tomorrow. Start shipping. So please, please, please do check it out. 45books.com. Other big news. I'm going to go through the list here, Blake, and we're probably going to center on birthright citizenship. Cuz I think it's so huge. It's the sleeping giant of immigration. Birthright citizenship is now going to be heard by the Supreme Court looking like oral arguments at the beginning of 2026. Decision by June, most likely. You've got this EU DSA, which is digital Services Act. They have fined elon Musk and X $140 million. We had our gala. We've got Amfest coming up, stopping the name of gov. You got this Warner Brothers versus Paramount versus Netflix saga. We're gonna bring on Jack Posobic second half of this hour to discuss. You got the Pope weighing in on Islam. You've got the Democrats major messaging pivot, by the way. It's like Epstein doesn't exist anymore. You know, they're just, they're all on healthcare, they're all on drug boats. It's very interesting, but their messaging is scattered, Blake. It's scattered. It's not. It's not focused. They don't know where to go next. Which is actually a good opportunity for us to advance our lines, our messaging, our positive lines. So there's all of that, but birthright citizenship. We're coming up against the break in this first segment, Blake, but really quickly, why is this so big?
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It's big because this is. It is the core element of the great replacement, what enables it to happen is our courts have allowed it that anyone who comes into this country illegally as a tourist and as a guest worker, if they have a kid 10 seconds after they cross the border, that person is a US Citizen for life. That is certainly not what was intended by the people who wrote the 14th amendment. It is obviously insane in modern America. And the Trump administration is finally taking the action we should have taken decades ago to say this is not what our law has ever been. And that's very important.
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Blake here's what we're going to get into. We're going to explain this birthright citizenship, the dynamics of it, because I think it's really, really important.
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There are, in 2023, which is the last year that I have data on, there were between 225,000 and 250,000 babies born to illegal immigrants. They believe that this could impact up to 4 million retroactively births, because, remember, Trump did this, and the way they're gonna work it out and the way they're gonna move forward is TBD, but it could impact up to 4.3 million children. So it's a huge, huge deal. But when we're talking about historical significance and moving forward, that number, obviously, is going to be even larger. So the language in the 14th Amendment was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act. So this is again, right after the Civil War. The intent was to give citizenship to freed slaves and the children of freed slaves. And the language in that 1866 Civil Rights act from which this was derived said all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power would be considered citizens. Now, this also gets lost in the shuffle. Two Supreme Court cases upheld that the 14th Amendment excluded citizens of foreign countries born in the U.S. the Slaughterhouse Cases in 1872 and Elk v. Wilkins in 1884. Now, birthright proponents like to cite the 1898 Supreme Court case, which was United States vs. Kim Wong or vs. Kim. But they conveniently forget that that case was about Chinese, the child of a Chinese parents that resided in the United States permanently and lawfully. So the big idea here is that the 14th Amendment was intended to give grant citizenship to freed slaves born in America and their children, not to illegals who owe allegiance and are citizens of a foreign country. And here's the key quote, Blake. This is the one that everybody's going to be talking about and arguing around in this Supreme Court oral argument subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And one last point, Blake, before I throw it to you. There is a reason.
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That American Indians did not receive citizenship until 1924 with the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act. Now you have to ask yourself why? Why did they not receive citizenship? They were born on American soil, presumably, but this is the key. They were considered to owe allegiance to.
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To Native sovereignty, to their own tribal nations, and they were not automatically considered to owe allegiance to the United States. And therefore it took an extra step, passed by Congress in 1924, the Indian citizenship Act. So if everybody simply born on American soil is automatically a citizen, you have to ask yourself, why not the Native Americans? That's the question. I would like anybody that is a proponent of birthright citizenship for illegals or tourists or whatever to answer me. Blake, over to you. I know you got.
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Well, so that Wong Kim Ark decision from the late 1800s, that's very important because it gets at one of the biggest lies they'll say is that this is settled law. The Supreme Court of the United States has only ever ruled on whether birthright citizenship extends to the children of those legally in the United States permanently. That's all they ever ruled on. Legally and permanently, which his parents were. And they've never ruled on illegal immigrants. They've never ruled on birth tourism. And that is just sort of something that.
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Liberals in the US Federal government just asserted. Lower level courts asserted it and we let them get away with it until it grew into this huge tumor that is consuming the United States. As you said, hundreds of thousands of births a year to illegal immigrants. There are millions of people who have citizenship as a result of that. It, among other things, it causes illegal immigrants to receive a huge amount of welfare benefits because even if you're an illegal, if your anchor baby is a US Citizen, you become eligible for food stamps and a whole bunch of other things. And it's all based on this myth. It's based on a myth that it somehow just obviously means anyone born in the U.S. qualifies, no, that line, subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It means essentially owing allegiance, owing fealty to that nation. It actually, if you dig deep into the roots of it, it derives from legal ideas of like owing loyalty to the king. Could you commit treason against the king? If you are not able to commit treason against the United States, then I don't think it makes sense to say that you're subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Well, and I think I'm hopeful the Supreme Court will rule that way. My biggest fear is they'll try some pragmatic decision where they would just say, oh, well, it would be too disruptive to change the law. I think the actual meaning of the law is extremely clear that this level of birthright citizenship we've had for so many years is not tenable or defensible.
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The original drafter of this clause, Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan, said in the arguments this will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, or belong to families, ambassadors, or foreign ministers.
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All right, welcome to the show. Jack Posobic, host of Human Events Daily Turning Point contributor. Jack, how you doing?
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My Friend, dude, we called it, we called the shot last week on Thought Crime. Everybody said, why? Why is Poso going so crazy about Netflix? Why is he. Stranger things. And what does this have to do with everything? What is it all? And I'm sitting there, guys, I'm like, guys, we're doing 40 minutes on Netflix. And everybody was trying to figure this out on Thursday, remember? And then it was Friday, the next day that it was like, boom, Netflix. Let me, let's just say, let's just say I may have heard something from my, my little birds that something was in the air regarding the Netflix buyout of Warner Brothers, which would be disastrous. It would put Obama in complete control of some of the most iconic American brands. You talk DC Comics, you're talking hbo, everything. So Obama aligns Netflix in charge with all them. And we've seen, by the way, what they've done with the pedophile content with cuties, with this, these very strange over. And we, yeah, we talked about it at length last week. But this overly sexualized content and LGBT content introduced in Stranger Things and it's like, guys, we, we gotta actually call this stuff out when it's happening. So then all of a sudden, Friday happens. Everybody thinks, oh my gosh, Netflix is going to buy Warner Brothers. It's done. And even, even, you know, a lot of people who work in the film business are saying that this is really bad because they're going to put movie theaters out of business. We don't want that because we want movie theaters. We want community in America still. It's like America's last public ritual in many ways, like non religious, you know, secular ritual. And, and then today, boom, you got Paramount in with, you know, and, you know, they're not perfect either, but way better than Netflix. And they come in with this hostile, hostile offer direct to Netflix's shareholders.
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So.
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And the key difference is your Netflix put in 83 billion for their deal. Paramount's coming in at 100 billion.
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So it's probably the 100 story in the country, 108.4. So it's a bidding war. Paramount attempts hostile offer for Warner Brothers. David Ellison calls Netflix's $82.7 billion deal value an inferior proposal and tells Warner shareholders that his coalition, which to be clear, includes Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds, they promises 18 billion more in cash. So the question then is, Jack, why do you believe that.
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Warner Bros. Is opting for an inferior deal with Netflix? Is there an ideological fight happening over this deal?
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I mean, there very well could be. There very, very well, could be. Look, Zaslav from Warner Brothers has always been tight with a lot of the guys over at Netflix. And look at it. You talk to ideology, right? The ideology that we've seen for so many of these executives is far left. And who is on the board of Netflix right now? Susan Rice. She was there from 2018 to about 2021. Then they signed a huge deal with Barack Obama, Michelle Obama. They're gonna be putting their content on Netflix and have continued to put their content. So then Susan Rice leaves. She goes to the Biden administration until about 2023. She comes back to Netflix. And immediately after coming back to Netflix, Susan Rice and Netflix announced what? Oh, another huge expanded deal with the Obama family. This reminds me, by the way, Andrew, very much of the way that the NFL signed their super bowl deal with Jay Z and they gave over the halftime show to Jay Z. And of course, Turning Point USA is very smartly, I think, responding back in kind to there. And so you've got this situation where the audience doesn't want this stuff. The audience doesn't want wokeness. And in fact, we just saw a new study by, by glaad, of all people. I can't believe I'm citing glaad, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance. But they're saying that actually looking, looking forward next year that LGBT content and characters are going to be moving away from shows that people are moving. We don't want Pete Quoke anymore. So what we're seeing is this new alliance of the Obamas, the far lefties, Netflix, and a bunch of the lefties, I think, that are currently on the, in the leadership team of the wb, WB Discovery. And at the end of the day, who's going to be hurt? It's the average American, you know, the average American who's saying, why is there so much of this woke crap, this LGBT crap in like Looney Tunes and Batman and Superman and just regular TV shows that you want to watch or movies that you want to watch and you're not interested in any of that political or like gender bending nonsense. That's what this is about.
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So it's interesting too, because I remember when Netflix was really starting to pour money into original programming and they would talk openly about how they were in an arms race with HBO to become the streaming version faster than HBO could become Netflix. Basically they wanted to become HBO faster than HBO could become Netflix. And now you have with this Warner Brothers Discovery deal. Basically, Netflix would acquire hbo. HBO Max will go to the streaming giant and then the embattled Cable network divisions, that's tnt, cnn, notably hgtv, the Food Network and Discovery will be spun out as a separately traded company. So.
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What you have here behind the scenes is an ideological battle because Oracle founder Larry Ellison, it's the son, right, of Larry Ellison, more conservative leaning. And they're worried about CNN as well. You've gotta imagine that this is part of the calculus. They're worried that Paramount, that the Oracle founders would essentially turn CNN into a more conservative network. Meanwhile, Jack, just this morning you have Trump. Well, it was actually last, over the weekend, you have Trump at the end about this at the Kennedy center event. Yeah. 116. Let's hear from President Trump here. 116. Should they be allowed to buy?
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Warner Brothers should?
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Well, that's the question.
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They have a very big market share.
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And when they have Warner Brothers, you know, that share goes up a lot. So I don't know that's going to.
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Be for some economists to tell and.
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Also, and I'll be involved in that decision too.
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So what's interesting about this is it comes off the heels this morning, Jack of a, another Paramount property, CBS got into President Trump's ire, into his crosshairs.
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It may have been a truth social.
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It may have been a truth social. Yeah. And he was basically asking, he's saying, yeah, you know, Paramount's not much better. CBS isn't much better. Look at, they still got the 60 minutes on. They're terrible. I want an apology from Leslie Stahl. What is that dynamic? Explain what you think and what you're seeing behind the scenes there.
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I mean, it's so clear, right? It's so clear what's going on. Because President Trump knows that the administration has huge regulatory authority here. This is something where now obviously the obvious antitrust problem is if Netflix buys HBO Max. Right? So these are two of the biggest streamers and one of the biggest streamers buys the other streamer. It would be like Coke buying Pepsi. And so you would have. This would create a monopoly problem. And Netflix is trying to explain this away. They're saying, no, no, no, you should, you should consider us against all content out there. I mean, look at TikTok. Look at, you know, Rumble. They're trying to say that Netflix is comparable to that. And it's just, it's just obviously not true. It's just obviously not true. So it's huge antitrust problem there, which President Trump, of course, responded to on the floor of the Kennedy center, was on that step and repeat, asking that question. But here's what's interesting is that he comes out this morning popping Paramount saying like, hey, hey, guys, no free ride for you either, because I'm going to be watching you guys like a hawk. Because I saw, I mean, I have to look at the timing, but I'm sure that he probably heard that Paramount's hostile deal was coming in. And it also just broke that there was a secret meeting where the head of Netflix actually went over to the White House and they did have a meeting and sat down in the Oval Office that had never been reported. The White House didn't put that out because he was trying to make sure there were no regulatory hurdles. Now President Trump coming in saying, you know what? Just because you guys want to come in, I know you got my son in law on board, but guess what? If you wanted to be there to be no issues with you, I wanna see a little bit more fairness when it comes to CBS, when it comes to 60 Minutes, all of this. So, I mean, the ball's really in President Trump's court on a lot of this.
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Yeah, it's interesting. You're watching the art of the deal play out here where he's applying pressure to both parties and so they're essentially both in a position where they need to suck up to President Trump.
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Which is probably just where the President wants it. And I mean, these are huge stakes. If people are not understanding why we're talking about this deal here on this show, on the Charlie Kirk show, we have to also understand that there's so many of these cultural touch points, these cultural, I guess, seeds for either wokeness or a return to common sense that are planted at this level with these long form shows that have become so popular. What kind of ideologies are getting spread and implanted in the narratives and then they filter out into our politics. This kind of stuff, I would argue, is more important than, than about 98% of the other things we can talk about now. I would put birthright citizenship slightly more ahead of this, but there's very few issues that are truly this important that have such civilizational weight behind them. Blake, I don't know.
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Talking about.
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Go ahead.
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I mean, I was going to say it's the cultural viewpoints. It's where we get it from.
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Yeah, go ahead, Blake.
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I just think it's very funny how much people care about tv.
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Yes. Because people do. That's the point. That's the point we're making. Whether they do.
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Yeah, just do.
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Yeah, it's. It's hugely important.
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Michael in our studio goes, I care yes.
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Where does it get their worldview from? Right. People aren't going to sit and you talk about birthright citizenship. Right. People aren't sitting around and reading Supreme Court rulings. They're watching Netflix miniseries.
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Right.
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But they will, they will watch a Netflix miniseries on it or they will sit down and watch whatever HBO's got on it. So that's why it's important. It's because people, that's where people get their story of the world, their story of who we are, their story of who they are. It's where they get their views on religion. It's where the end, by the way, and studies have shown, go look at Marshall McLuhan talking about this in the 60s, that people have gotten their worldview from mass media since the 1950s on this started with radio, then it moved to television. And today streaming is just the newest iteration of that sort of streaming plus social media. So if you're not paying attention to who's in control of this, then you're not paying attention to who's in control of the minds of the masses. And that's what this is about. Who is in control of the minds of the masses.
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C
Well said. I agree with you, Jack. But Blake, to your point, one of the charming things about Blake is that he's sort of immune from this. And he's pure. He's not. He's, you know, so I appreciate we, we work in tandem. It works together.
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C
So before we get to this viral Cinnabon clip, which is, you know, a classic case of, you know, bad white woman, innocent immigrant couple, I just. We are still continuing the debate. Blake, you think that TV is less important than it's ever been. I agree with you that because entertainment is more diffused, everything is more diffused and fractured, but it's still important.
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There's more. There's more things that competes with video games, YouTube, live streamers.
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Take your pick. But on top of that, the most interesting thing with streaming services is it's reduced the importance of anything new existing. So what's the biggest value out of, say, subscribing to Disney plus? It's that you can watch every Disney movie ever made. You can watch every Disney TV show ever made, and I think you'll see that. What's the biggest reason Netflix wants to acquire hbo? It's probably a huge library that HBO and Warner Brothers have, and I think that reduces the importance of new shows. Everything that's ever made has to compete with the Sopranos. Everything that's ever made has to compete with the Simpsons. Everything that's ever made has to compete with I Love Lucy, Gone with the Wind, the wizard of Oz. Everything that's ever been made. It all is still out there. A lot of it remains popular. I remember at its peak, Netflix. The most common show to watch on Netflix, well, after it went off the air was the Office. I think at its peak, about 1% of all Internet traffic in America was people watching the Office. And I think that it. Jack, is correct to say it dictates a lot of what our culture is talking about and thinking about, but it also dictates less and less by the year, which I think we should be grateful for, because you don't want everything people think about funneled through a tiny number of choke points controlled by people who are completely insane.
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Well, like, I actually, real quick, I just completely agree with you because, like, when's the last time a movie became a classic? You know what I mean? Because think about that. Like, it's just whatever's new, there's no classics anymore.
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Yeah, well, by the way, the MASH finale, 106 million people tuned in for that. We don't have that kind of stuff anymore. I mean, this is the most famous one, obviously. February 28, 1983, the finale of MASH drew 106 million viewers, becoming the most watched single episode in US television history for decades. With a 77% share of the audience. It was like a third of the US population, apparently, anyway. So this is pretty incredible. We don't have these cultural touch points anymore in the same way, Jack. But it doesn't mean that these Stranger Things isn't still massive. Right. It's still a huge, huge show.
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But those kind of moments were like Friends finale, the Seinfeld finale. We, we don't have as many of those. I think the last kind of big cultural moment was probably Game of Thrones. If I.
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That's what I would say Breaking Bad finale.
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Breaking Bad was.
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Finale was pretty big.
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Breaking Bad was.
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But even those, so much, those mattered a lot to sort of, I guess, the niche elite TV watching public. But they were both on. One was on a cable channel, one was on a subscription special cable channel. So a lot of people watch those, but at the same time not anywhere near the number who watched Friends, Seinfeld, mash, as you said. And the other thing we're talking about, there's a lack of, of new classics, lack of new classic films, but also a big flattening of what genres actually take off. So you used to have go check the top 10 grossing films in 1999 and you'll see rom coms, you'll see suspense films. Now the top grossing films are pretty much exclusively big blockbuster franchise films. Your superhero films, your Harry Potter movies, that sort of thing.
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You.
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When was the last time a film comedy was a huge deal that everyone in America saw? The Hangover. The hangover came out 15 years ago. People who were born after the Hangover came out will be able to vote soon. And that's another aspect of the way these, these pop culture phenomenal. They still matter, as Jack says, but I think they, they mercifully do matter less.
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All right, I mean, I agree, but certainly, I mean that's, this is, this is really good fodder for a thought crime topic actually. But, but I mean either way, right, you know, Netflix and Paramount and Warner Brothers all matter. But to your point, yes, I do think that because the biggest competition, right, that all of these things have that scripted, prepared, formatted, whatever word you want to use for it, content has, is, Is actually social media. So the idea that because a YouTuber is just going to make it for free and throw it up on YouTube. So YouTube is a competitor, but I would argue that Netflix is fundamentally different and all of those streamers are a fundamentally different thing than YouTube. Because YouTube is a user created service. Rumble, of course, which is so much better, is a user created service. And so the idea, or like shows like this, so the idea that, you know, we're, we're some like, we don't have corporate backing, we don't have some like massive, you know, international multinational conglomerate behind all of us. I know that's what the Internet says, but we actually don't.
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Sovereign funds.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. And so. So it's so much cheaper, the ROI is so much higher than. Because of that, we are able to do more. We're able to be more nimble. And that's. It's new media. Right. It's basically sort of like an extension of the new media old media fight.
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All right, hold on, I gotta, I gotta get to it because I promise the audience, I gotta play this Cinnabon viral clip here real quick again. Media141.
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I am racist.
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So you are an idiot. No, I'm not racist.
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And I'll say that to the whole entire world.
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Don't be disrespectful. Ruining your life, by the way. Oh, talking about. You're talking about respect. You're talking about respect.
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You are fired from this place.
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You're not gonna be working here.
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Suck it.
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Suck what?
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Look how you look like. What's wrong with you?
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What the is wrong with you?
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Ugly.
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Talking about ugliness, Did I stand stutter?
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You. All right, so this was obviously meant to make bad white woman, innocent Somali couple. But the bigger issue, Jack, and we only have a minute left, I wish we'd have more time, is that these confrontations are happening more and more and more and we're inviting these cultures and having these collisions. Is it the woman's fault? Obviously I wouldn't recommend acting like that. But what's really going on here.
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What's really going on is that TikTok has created an inverted set of structure for bad behavior and quote, unquote, we're gonna catch people and cancel them. But the way that people are fighting back against this new cancel culture, I mean, this is like some, you know, minimum wage employee at a mall. And obviously, and you can see the video before we've seen this cycle a million times, they're clearly being harassed. And she harassed her to get content out of it. That's why they were filming in the first place. And so if you look at GiveSendGo, last I checked, it's about to cross $100,000 for this woman. Because people are saying, look, regardless of whether we say we agree with what she did. This is how you stop cancel culture and this is how you reverse the incentive structure. Just stop harassing people at work. It's really that simple. Don't harass customers, but don't harass employees either, just because you're trying to get TikTok clout. And how many times have we seen people try to do that for TikTok clout? Over and over and over.
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Jack Posobic, Human Events Daily. Thanks so much Jack.
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For more on many of these stories.
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And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.