Calling the Dems' Epstein Bluff

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Calling the Dems' Epstein Bluff
Date: November 14, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), Daniel Boston (Preserve Gold)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Charlie Kirk and his guest co-hosts dive into the political drama surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein files, with a sharp focus on new moves in Congress to release Epstein-related information and the Democrats' response. Tennessee Rep. Tim Burchett, a member of the House Oversight Committee, joins to provide insider details on the committee proceedings and the motivations behind recent headline-grabbing tactics. The latter half of the show transitions to a discussion on economic uncertainty and the advantages of investing in precious metals, featuring expert input from Daniel Boston of Preserve Gold.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. American Values & Authenticity in Politics

Segment: 01:09–06:23

• Rep. Tim Burchett opens by sharing a heartfelt story about family values, wartime heritage, and the sentimental importance of a wedding ring—contrasting this with viral stories about materialism.
  • “I gave my wife my mama’s wedding ring… I bought a 1947 Indian Chief. And I have all three of them. I have my wife, that wedding ring, and the Indian chief that my—it's very—it's identical to the one my dad had that he sold to buy that wedding ring for. So I guess I'm sentimental.” (Burchett, 02:44–03:56)
• Burchett emphasizes that “diamonds are a racket anyway… they charge you a heck of a lot of money,” driving home the problem of misplaced priorities in modern America. (Burchett, 04:01)
• Charlie Kirk praises Burchett as a “throwback,” highlighting a longing for traditional values and straightforwardness in politics, which Burchett views as key to his electoral resonance.

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2. The Epstein Files & Congressional Drama

Segment: 06:27–19:16

The Oversight Committee’s Process

• Rep. Burchett details tedious, careful review of thousands of pages related to Jeffrey Epstein, with the committee redacting innocent people and protecting victims who do not want publicity.
  • “Some of these ladies don't want their names out. And the Democrats are just hell bent on destroying these people's lives.” (Burchett, 06:54–07:15)
• Explains the trauma defense mechanism in Epstein victims, and criticizes Democrats for using these stories for political theater over actual justice or truth.
  • “All they want is power and control… yesterday proved it because this lady… said Trump did her no harm. She said that under oath in court, in a dadgum federal court setting.” (Burchett, 08:21–08:46)

Calling the Democrats’ Bluff

• Burchett recounts trying to force the release of all Epstein files via unanimous consent—Democrats blocked it.
  • “I tried to do a UC unanimous consent… just to cut out all this nonsense. And… the Democrats blocked it, oddly enough. Now here, they've had it for four years…” (Burchett, 12:20-12:44)
• He clarifies that Democratic leadership, not Republicans, resisted full release. He frames the issue as Democrats scheming to selectively leak information damaging to Trump and protecting their own interests.
  • “They want to grab articles out of that thing… That's politics. But America deserves a little better. Just throw it all out there and let them decide.” (Burchett, 13:40)
• Suggests bipartisan manipulation of the files, but insists transparency is best for the public.

Epstein as a Weapon and Political Tool

• Charlie Kirk floats the theory that Epstein was an intelligence asset—a tool for blackmail by foreign agencies.
  • “The evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American Intelligence, Saudi intelligence… Congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis.” (Kirk, 11:26–12:00)
• Burchett offers an anecdote on how blackmail operates in DC, updating the classic “honeypot” scheme for the modern era:
  • “You're in some foreign [country]… there's gonna be some pretty lady laughing at your jokes. And… next thing you know, you’re in a motel room… then you're getting ready to make a vote and… they got the envelope in their hand… and they say, ‘Hey, how are you going to vote on this?’” (Burchett, 15:24–17:38)
• On the fate of Epstein: “He's a dirt bag. He's burning in hell, of course… I don't think he committed suicide. I think something happened to him that's… neither here nor there.” (Burchett, 15:24)

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3. Economic Uncertainty & Hedging With Gold

Segment: 22:06–40:09

Analysis of the Economic Climate

• Daniel Boston of Preserve Gold and the hosts discuss the growing instability of the U.S. dollar, the shift from a growth-based to a debt-based economy, and the erosion of the dollar's purchasing power since 2000, especially post-COVID.
  • “Since COVID in the year 2020, the dollar’s lost about 20, 25% of its value. And that’s due to money printing and inflation.” (Boston, 24:55–26:37)
  • “If you're holding a stock… you're at the mercy of the dollar because the dollar is the root of pretty much every financial instrument…” (Boston, 28:33)

Gold and Silver as a Hedge

• Gold is up 57% year-over-year; silver, even more. Both are described as classic “safe haven” assets during turbulent times.
  • “Gold going up the way it’s gone up, silver performing the way it’s been performing… it’s almost as if it’s moving up in anticipation of what’s going to come.” (Boston, 28:33)
  • “I think we’re going to see gold… by the middle of next year we could see gold at $6,000, $6,500. And if that happens, we can easily see silver, I think between 75 and $100.” (Boston, 32:11–32:19)
• Customer-focused advice is stressed: Preserve Gold charges zero liquidation fees, contrasting with others who may charge 10–20%.

Integrity in Precious Metals

• Discussion of unethical practices in the gold dealer industry, but Boston emphasizes Preserve Gold’s mission of transparency, full disclosure, and customer orientation.
  • “Reserve Gold was launched with a mission of transparency… Everything is in full transparency, full disclosure. We have nothing to hide.” (Boston, 38:00–39:24)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rep. Tim Burchett:

  • "Diamonds are a racket anyway. It's a conglomerate. I don't know that they're that rare. I just know that they… charge you a heck of a lot of money." (04:01)
  • "I'm just sick of it. And plain talk wins out." (05:38)
  • "Yesterday proved exactly what they're all about… It's political theater. All they want is power and control." (07:27–07:45)
  • "If Joe Biden had this for four years and there was one iota of damaging evidence against Donald Trump, don't you think they would release it?" (09:39)
  • "He's a dirt bag. He's burning in hell, of course, and I'm glad—I would have sent him there myself. I don't think he committed suicide…" (15:24)
  • "You're in a motel room… and then you think, well, I just pulled off a perfect crime… and then you’re getting ready to make a vote and… they got the envelope in their hand..." (15:24–17:38)

• Charlie Kirk:

  • "You are an absolute legend… the values that gave rise to people like you… We have just lost touch with it." (04:09)
  • “[Epstein] was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American Intelligence, Saudi intelligence… Congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis.” (11:26–12:00)
  • “If they would have had something, four years of Joe Biden, they would have released it, let's be honest.” (15:04)
  • “If we're going to set the house straight, if we're going to settle accounts, if we are going to set ourselves up for a brighter economic future, there's absolutely going to be disruption.” (29:21)

• Daniel Boston:

  • “Since COVID in the year 2020, the dollar’s lost about 20, 25% of its value. And that’s due to money printing and inflation.” (24:55)
  • “If you're holding a stock… you're at the mercy of the dollar…” (28:33)
  • “…We've seen Bank of America, Goldman Sachs come out with forecasts… we could see gold at $6,000, $6,500 an ounce…” (32:11)
  • “When it comes time for you to sell or liquidate out of your position [at Preserve Gold], we charge zero fees.” (37:10–37:45)
  • “Reserve Gold was launched with a mission of transparency… Everything is in full transparency, full disclosure. We have nothing to hide.” (38:00–39:24)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:09–06:23: Values, wedding rings, and cultural decline conversation with Rep. Tim Burchett
• 06:27–09:56: Details on the Oversight Committee, Epstein files, and Democrats’ strategy
• 11:26–12:00: Charlie Kirk on Epstein as a possible foreign intelligence asset
• 12:20–15:24: Burchett describes attempt to force Epstein file release and political games
• 15:24–17:38: Blackmail in Congress, how the “honeypot” operates, and Epstein’s fate
• 24:55–26:37: Economic analysis—impact of inflation and devaluation since COVID
• 28:33–32:19: Precious metals as a hedge; gold and silver market performance expectations
• 37:10–39:24: Industry practices—Preserve Gold’s zero-fee policy and transparency

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Final Notes & Tone

This episode briskly combines sharp political critique, heartfelt patriotism, and no-nonsense financial advice. The tone is candid, skeptical of institutional motives, and consistently pro-transparency, with clear populist-conservative undertones. Rep. Tim Burchett’s “plain talk” and Charlie Kirk’s signature directness create a charged but personable atmosphere that’s both informative and reflective of their audience’s values.

Listeners gain both a behind-the-scenes look at the Epstein file controversy and practical (ideologically-framed) economic guidance, with actionable tips for personal finance resilience.

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Transcript

[A]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[B]

Use me.

[A]

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[C]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Hour two is underway. We have cleared out the set. It's me and Mikey on the set. I believe we still have. I mean, if that is your real name. We have Blake. And we're about to be joined by Rep. Tim Burchette from the great state of Tennessee, who's just been doing heroes work here. Rep. But I have to. Congressman, since they brought you in early, I'll bring you into this conversation. We're talking about Walmart wedding rings. This is a whole big viral story that's blown up. This woman said no because the gentleman did not get the right ring. And we got this email from an absolute legend. Her name's Kim. He says, hey, all, I'm much older than all of you, married almost 40 years. I received no engagement ring at all and still said yes. Gold, silver, metal, paper mean nothing. Get refocused on what matters. Hear, hear, Kim. God bless that. God bless Kim for setting the record straight. What a hero. Yeah. And so, Congressman, we'll welcome you in now. I mean, I don't know if you want to opine on wedding ring choices and if you should get them from Walmart or the shape, if they matter, but the floor is yours. Welcome to the Charlie Kim Show.

[B]

It's actually Merchant. So you said Merchant.

[C]

Oh, Burchett. Yes, sir.

[B]

Nobody ever gets. Nobody ever gets it right. That's cool. I don't care.

[C]

Well, you know what, Congressman? I did talk to your team before this. I will say, and I'm pretty sure I said it wrong there, too, and they did not correct me, Burchett. Well, God bless you.

[B]

That's why I'll be looking for a new team when I get off this call with y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Now, wedding rings. You know, I gave my. I gave my wife my mama's wedding ring. My daddy came home from the second World War in the Pacific. And you can't see it, but these mess up the camera angle here. But let's see if I can do it up here. You see these. These guns that are behind me here? Well, I don't know. Anyway, they're up there on the wall there. Guns my dad took off a dead Japanese soldiers that he actually killed in combat. But my daddy came home from the war and bought an Indian motorcycle with his. What they called mustering outpay, which is a couple hundred bucks. He was on pillow and Okinawa, and they went to China and fought the communists after war in the Marine Corps. His colonel was a guy named Chesty Puller. But daddy, when he came home from the war, he. He did like a lot of guys did. They. They raised a little hell. And he wrote his Indian around. And then he finally sold it to buy my mama her wedding ring. Well, I gave my wife that wedding ring. And I bought a 1947 Indian Chief. And I still. And I have both. I have all three of them. I have my wife, that wedding ring, and the Indian chief that my. It's very. It's identical to the one my dad had that he sold to buy that wedding ring for. So I guess I'm sentimental, but. And it's not a very big wedding ring, but.

[D]

But it's.

[B]

But it seemed to help keep. And diamonds are a racket anyway.

[C]

It's a. Yeah, they are. It's.

[B]

It's a conglomerate. I don't know that they're that rare. I just know that they. They charge you a heck of a lot of money, so.

[C]

Congressman, you are an absolute legend, I think. I mean, we're gonna talk about Epstein in just a second. But I just. It strikes me that the values that gave rise to people like you in this America that we are. We all sort of seem to have this memory of. We have just lost touch with it. We've lost track. We lost the plot somewhere along the way. And I think that's why you seem to resonate with people so much, is that you are a throwback. You are somebody that represents an America that my family, when I was. When I was raised in northern Nevada, rancher stock, rodeos and baseball and chewing tobacco. Like, that's you know, my. My grandpa fought in the Second World War as well. I. I mean, it's just. It's refreshing to hear. Hear the way you look at things candidly. And, I mean, I guess you represent your people well in that way.

[B]

Thank you. Actually, that's when they do this crazy polling. All those outside polling groups come in and do this, and. And that's generally what they find out. A lot of people don't agree with me, but they know how I stand. And, you know, Mama was a mom, and daddy grew up in the Depression, and she flew an airplane during the Second World War. So, I mean, they. They instilled some pretty good values in me, and I. I've tried to. I hope I haven't disappointed them.

[C]

And.

[B]

But, you know, I guess my chosen profession. They probably thought I'd do something honorable instead of go Congress, but. But, no, but I appreciate you saying that, brother. I just.

[D]

I'm.

[B]

I'm sick of it. I'm just sick of it. And. And plain talk wins out. I don't. You know, it's funny. When I first got to Congress, I asked the leadership, I asked everybody, I said, please get me, you know, help me get on the news, help me talk to the press. I'd like to put our message out. And nobody would ever help me. Leadership would, oh, we'll help you. And then they run you down some dirt road somewhere, and, you know, and I found out that I'm just going to do my own dadgum thing, and that's what we've done.

[D]

And.

[B]

And we've had. We've had some really good success. I feel like our message has resonated. I know you know, that when I'm walking through airports, little old ladies give me the thumbs up. So as long as that's the finger sticking up at me, I'm okay with it.

[C]

I think that that's the right one. Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Well, Congressman, as well, you talk about straight talk and just cutting through the noise, you made a lot of news yesterday with this selfie video. It looks like you're walking out of the Capitol building. If I'm not mistaken, I'm looking at screen grab. Take us back two steps. Because you get through this shutdown, and then, wham. Democrats release this bombshell about Epstein. How did we even get to that point? Because you're on the Oversight Committee, correct?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And Chairman Comer's doing the right thing. He's. It's boring, tedious work. He just released several thousand more pages yesterday. They're going through it, and they're redacting the names of innocent people and some of these girls that don't want their name out and that's something that needs to be talked about at some point is that some of these ladies don't want their names out. And the Democrats are just hell bent on, on destroying these people's lives. I mean, they're going to, instantly, overnight they're going to have a microphone stuck in their face. And some of them have gone on a lot. You know, they have families and you know, they don't want to, they want to put that memory out. And we were literally in a closed door meeting, Democrats and Republicans were there and we, it wasn't a question answer, but I felt like I was, I needed to be that person. And I said, hey, I said this lady said she wanted to access to the files because she was in them, but her mind had, had blacked it all out. And God gives people that defense mechanism. Sometimes people incur some just horrendous things as children or whatever. And, and that's a defense mechanism and it's blocked out of their, their mind. And she wanted to go back and read the files and find out where she was and what, what they'd done with that dirt bag had done to her. And, and so they said, and so I said, ma', am, so you want the files released? And she said, no, I do not want the files released. I just want to have access to them. And you know, and they're like, and the attorney said, no, she does not want those files released. And, and you know, that never gets out and I'm just sick of it. And the Democrats yesterday proved exactly what they're all about during the shutdown and everything else. It's political theater. All they want is power and control. They don't want anything out. They just want the control over the mindset of the, of the population. Oh, we're going to take your health care away, we're going to starve you to death. And nothing is further from the truth. And yesterday proved it because this lady that's in that, this email that they released said Trump did her no harm. She said that under oath in court, in a dadgum federal court setting. I mean, she could do time if she, if they, if she perjured herself and she wanted her name not released. But in her bravery, she just said forget it. And she said this is a lie. This is not, this is not accurate. So you're going to believe Epstein and Gils, Lane Maxwell or whatever the heck.

[C]

Her name is I got one name wrong. I can help you with that one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You're going to believe them over this? This, the innocent, this victim. That's, that's what the Democrats are doing. They do not care about the people. All they care about is damaging Trump. If, look, if Joe Biden had this for four years and there was one iota of damaging evidence against Donald Trump, don't you think they would release it? They will not answer that. They will not answer it. Kamala Harris or Kamala or whatever the heck her name was or is.

[C]

She would have.

[B]

She would, you know, Donald Trump is the antichrist to these people. They wake up every morning with just this white hot hatred of Trump and they can't. And they. Because they've been spoon fed by the liberal media. It turns out a lot of it your tax dollars were funding and this is what we get.

[C]

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[C]

We have a clip here from Charlie about Epstein. I want to see if we can fit it in. Go ahead and play 310.

[A]

And this is no longer just speculation. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American Intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Maybe he was just a guy that countries would go to and park a couple hundred million bucks and say, hey, can you get one of the members of the royal family with a 13 year old so we can get them to do what we want to do? Congress are actively being blackmailed The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis.

[C]

Ooh. So was Epstein just like a elaborate foreign honey pot op? Congressman, I want to get to this video that made a ton of waves yesterday. It's a little bit longer, so maybe we'll cut it off halfway through, but go ahead and play cut. 291 just left the House floor and.

[B]

I tried to do a UC unanimous consent of a, tried to get the Epstein files, get it straight to the floor, just to cut out all this nonsense. And, you know, and the Democrats blocked it, oddly enough. Now here, they've had it for four years and they obviously, if there's something there about Trump, they would have released it. And now they're all, let's get it.

[D]

Out, let's get it out.

[B]

Well, I just made a motion, Congressman.

[C]

So you tried to call their bluff. Here is what I'm seeing. And you know, and now Adam Kinzinger saying, who's not even in Congress, he's coming at you saying, oh, this is wrong. It was not a. Uc. Democrats didn't oppose it. What's the story here? And what were you, what were you driving at?

[B]

I actually put another video out today just to correct some of those folks, like Adam. I used to sit in front of Adam. I'm not sure what happened. I think I know what happened to Adam. I'd love to talk to somebody sometime about it, what my theory is. But anyway, I, I clarified exactly what I did. I put it out. Unanimous consent. You have to. And by definition, it's a unanimous consent. It has to be unanimous. So the Republican leadership agreed with it. Speaker Johnson did, and Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats disagreed with it. They did not want it out. And it was Ro Khanna's bill. It didn't affect Massey's bill at all. His, his. Whatever they want to do with that is fine, but I'm just sick of it because yesterday proved my point with all that garbage coming out on Trump that was just, just falsified. Look, they want to grab articles out of that thing. They want to pick and choose, and probably both sides do, and that's fine. That's politics. But America deserves a little better. Just throw it all out there and let them decide and cut through all the chase, because what they're going to do is they're going to, is going to go to Rules Committee, it's going to go through all this other nonsense that we really don't need and puts too much power in people's hands, and then they just Pontificate on it for hours. And it gives the news that hates Trump, that hates America, just more ammo to do it. And I just said, look, put it on your nav's consent. And then it, then it says everyone voted for it, nobody can say they didn't vote for it. And it puts it on the dad gum, it puts it on actual and it's done. And then it goes to the Senate. But they want to, they want a dog and pony show. And you know, Ro Khan is a Democrat. He's, he represents one of the most, actually the wealthiest area of the country is Silicon Valley out there in California, I guess. So he, you know, he even sent me a message and said, you know, thank you, brother, more or less, you know, we're friends. I'm actually going to go visit his district, I'm going to bring him out here on the farm and let the donkeys chase him around a little bit.

[C]

And so Congress, I want to get your point on something. I'm so glad you called their bluff because you're right. If they would have had something, four years of Joe Biden, they would have released it, let's be honest. But who do you think Jeffrey Epstein was? What was that about? We got about two minutes here. Please tell us what you think the truth of this whole story is.

[B]

He's a dirt bag. He's burning in hell, of course, and I'm glad, I would have sent him there myself. I don't think he committed suicide. I think something happened to him that's, that's neither here nor there. I think he was, he was out there and he, he, he, he was a flagrant name dropper. He was an egomaniac. And so he put his name out there and these groups seized upon him and then he moved in the direction that they needed and he came up with this scheme of being a money manager. And in other countries, con, I think they contradict he had any soul. I just think they contracted with him and he got caught up in it. And as those guys do and he just, as I see a lot of these pedophiles do, and he cost a lot of ladies their lives and that's what he did. And countries used him. And yeah, the honey pot exists, but more or less now today, you know, they hire your wife and, or your girlfriend to work in some no, no show, 100, $200,000 job and, and then you just vote, vote there will. But the way they work the honey pots is, you know, you're, you're in some foreign And I don't go on these, these trips overseas. I'm not, that's not my bag. But they go overseas. You're sitting at some bar and they know what you like, you know, because they own all the porn sites. They're monitoring everything you do and in all your thoughts. So if you're in the, in the, in the ladies, there's gonna be some pretty lady laughing at your jokes. And you're like, redheads or whatever, and they're, they're going to bring a redhead in. And next thing you know, you're, you're in a motel room with them, sleeping with them. And then you think, well, I just pulled off a perfect crime. It's out of country, the wife doesn't know, the kids know it just had a night of whatever. And then you're getting ready to make a boat and some person, you know, usually always somebody, you know, walks up and they've got, you know, the envelope in their hand or something and they say, hey, I've got. How are you going to vote on this? Well, I'm going to be voting for it. Oh, you can't do that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am saying no. I said, were you in a motel room and in Istanbul? You know, and then they go, oh, crap. And so, man, we don't want that out. And they go, oh, no, no, no, I can't have that out. We need to vote against this bill. And then that's how they do it. They own you.

[C]

All right, Congressman, I want to wrap up this because it's just too, it's too important. And you've told this story before, I think, on Tucker, maybe with Benny. I've seen a few clips floating around. But you know what you said though, before that you said that more often now because I think you kind of. We're becoming wise to these schemes. And I'd have to believe that these congressmen are getting wise to these schemes. Maybe they're not. But now it's just, they're gonna put their wife or, and, or their girlfriend in some do nothing, $200,000 a year job. I mean, I've personally seen that. I've personally seen this. I know it's true. This is what they do to deal with problems. I mean, so the corruption is rife.

[B]

Because the sex thing, Clinton ruined that for all of us. When I, when my 80 plus year old mama said the word condoms one time. Because, you know, Bill Clinton had just ruined that for everybody. Look, sex doesn't even. Nobody cares. I mean, it's like a rite of passage. And I don't. I don't. I don't stay at a motel. I don't stay in an apartment. I sleep in my office every night, and I go down to the gym and shower in the morning because there are cameras everywhere. Reagan said it best. Trust but verify. And there's a reason in motels, you walk by a bar on the way up to your room.

[C]

Well, Congressman, you are a breath of fresh air. I'd love to have you back on and hear your theories about Adam Kinzinger. You know, he knew Charlie, by the way. There was no love lost between those two guys because Adam went the way of. Of. I don't know which way he went, but maybe you can explain it, but it's not.

[B]

I was there when he went, but I. I would love to real quick, if I could. Are we recording this or we're just talking?

[C]

No, this is. This is live. Yeah, this is.

[B]

Okay. Good, good. And the last time I talked to Charlie, it was 253. 253 in the morning on the night of the big, beautiful bill. And he called me, but we can talk about that later.

[C]

Yeah, I'll have you back on. We'll have you back on next week. This has been fantastic. Congressman Burchett, apologies on the name. You are the man, and I will not mess that one up again. It just, you know, people think my last name is Colve or something, so, you know, or Colvert. That's what I get. All right, brother. Thank you so much. Congressman Tim Burchett from Tennessee, second House Oversight Committee. Doing great work there, sir. Thank you so much. God bless you.

[B]

Love y'. All. Thank you. God has blessed me. Thank you.

[C]

Awesome. Thanksgiving holds so many memories, and I'm sure it's the same for you. Right now, there's a girl finding out she's pregnant. In the next couple of weeks, she's going to make a decision. And whatever decision she makes will become her memory of this Thanksgiving for the rest of her life. What will she be thankful for a year from now? You. She'll be thankful that you introduced her to her baby by providing a free ultrasound. And she'll be thankful that she chose life. As she prepares for her baby's first Thanksgiving, take a stand for life by providing an ultrasound with preborn. When a young woman sees her baby on the ultrasound and hears her baby's heartbeat, she is twice as likely to choose life. Just $140 provides five ultrasounds. That can save five babies $280 saves 10 babies a gift of 15,000. Provides an ultrasound machine that can save thousands of babies for years to come. Call 833-850-2229 or click on the preborn banner at charliekirk.com today. We're going to devote the second half of hour two here to this discussion, and it's about the economy. It's about what you need to do in this certain economic situation that we find ourselves in. It's very unpredictable, a little chaotic. Joining me now is Daniel Boston, founder of Preserve Gold. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[D]

Thanks for having me, Andrew.

[C]

Yeah. Honestly, it's an honor to have you. You are one of those companies that when everything went down and the tragedy that we all experienced, you guys have just remained steadfast. And you. You have my respect, my appreciation, and also, you know, the reason that we were with you to begin with, I mean, it was a really intense vetting process that we went through. And so we knew that you guys were our kind of people. We knew that there was alignment on a bunch of different things. But then the way that you've. You've handled this in the aftermath has been just amazing. So honored to have you here. And you even just got a tour of all the buildings. I mean, so we could start there if you want, and tell us what you thought of it.

[D]

It was unbelievable. You know, when Charlie passed, it was. I mean, the moment, it's still surreal now. It's still hard to just really believe that this has actually happened, but to see the overwhelming support that's flooded into this place from all over the country, you know, for the last 12 years, really, it's just felt like a country that's been. Become more and more divided. And, you know, through this event, you're seeing people come together at. At levels that's just really hard to imagine. So, you know, one of my favorite verses is all things work together for good. And I just can't think of a. A situation that's more where that rings more true than this one.

[C]

Yeah. And I think a lot of has been made of some of the bad behavior that we've seen, some of the worst of humanity, if you will. But I'm always the voice telling people, I'm like, yeah, we should call it out because it's disgusting, it's gross. But, like, the amount of positive has so overwhelmed the negative. And when you're in our vantage point, when you see it from here and you see the. The mail room where we have. I don't know if they showed you that? Yeah, we saw it with the. Just the endless amount of gifts and letters and paintings and trinkets and that came in from all over the country to honor Charlie and to pay their respects to Erica. You know, I always say we don't grieve the way the world grieves. And I miss Charlie every day. He's the first thing I think about when I wake up. He's the last thing I think about before I go to bed. I've literally only been watching Seinfeld because Charlie loves Seinfeld. And it's like, you know, I fall asleep to Seinfeld because it makes me think of Charlie. And I just, you know, last night I was watching Golden Boy. That's a T shirt with Golden Boy. Charlie used to always like joking about Golden Boy. It's Jerry Seinfeld's favorite T shirt. I mean, I miss him so much, but I know that God put him on this planet to do this very remarkable thing, and that is to galvanize the youth, to inspire a new generation to believe in the American idea, that the social compact that this country has made with generations of Americans. And right now, we're looking at a situation where some of that work that Charlie did is being threatened. Economic conditions are rough, especially for younger Americans trying to get a job. The dollar is all over the place. President Trump's doing his best. We're trying to get this investment, foreign investment, other companies investing again in manufacturing. But there's a lot of headwinds. There's a lot of headwinds and AI is coming on. So from an economic standpoint, and this was one of Charlie's biggest passions economically, could you sum up this current moment for us? I mean, I know we're going to get into precious metals, we're going to get into gold, we're going to get into hedging. How do you, how do you take care of yourself? But right now, in this economic moment, what do you make of this climate?

[D]

Yeah, there's a lot that, a lot to try and digest in terms of what's going on right now. And what I would tell people is, you know, up to the year 2000, we were in a growth based economy. Interest rates were really high. You know, in the 80s and 90s, we saw interest rates climb almost 15, almost 18%. And so you could put money in a savings account and earn a really nice return. Since the year 2000, really to present, we've seen interest rates practically go to zero, which has de incentivized people from putting money into these types of accounts where you can accumulate. And so the way that we would invest up to the year 2000 should be a lot different than the way that we're approaching our finances today. We're in a debt based economy now. And it's extremely problematic because when you hold reserve currency status, the US dollar is the world reserve currency. That situation seems to be eroding pretty quickly. We went off the petrodollar last year. And what's really compelling to me right now is that since COVID in the year 2020, the dollar's lost about 20, 25% of its value. And that's due to money printing and inflation. I don't think people really understand the damage that this causes to someone who's trying to save and prepare for retirement. The only thing that gives a dollar any real value is the faith that the American public puts into it. And really the public, the world puts into it. And so when you have a fed that seems to believe that money grows on trees, that whenever we have problems, we can just print our problems away. That's a recipe for disaster.

[C]

Well, and I want to talk about that because I'm just looking at the price of gold here. In the last year, it's gone up $1,526. It's gone up 57%. That's a lot.

[D]

Pretty unbelievable.

[C]

That's crazy. I didn't realize it was that much. So if you would have bought gold at, let's see here, let's just say a year ago, it would have been, I think I've got, yeah, 26.54 now you buy gold, it's at 4200.

[D]

One speaks for itself, right?

[C]

Yeah. I mean, this is exactly what. So it's funny because I think gold companies sometimes like precious metal companies get like a bad rap. And by the way, we work with you because you guys are really good at this and you are good people. That's the key. There are shysters in the space. You guys are not one of them. That's why we chose you. You chose us. But it goes up 1500 bucks in a year. 57%. That's real. That is a hedge against this easy money, as Steve Bannon calls it, the lords of easy money that print us into the weakening of the US dollar. You got the brics, nations that are weakening the US dollar that are trying to create a sort of bipolar world. And here you got gold that's holding steady. Not only holding steady, it's growing tremendously. And the key is that Real working people, people that are not the economic incumbents, as I call them. Economic incumbents have a lot of assets. They have housing valuations that are going through the roof. They've got 401 s and stocks and bonds and all of these things. But it's working class people too that really get hit and holding the bag here. When inflation hollows out your purchasing power, it's like these are the hedges that real people can access and get through preserved gold that can get into this economy and make sure that the policies out of Washington are not bankrupting them.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, what I would add is if you're holding a stock, for example, if you look at that stock, you got to go into cash. So really you're at the mercy of the dollar because the dollar is the root of pretty much every financial instrument that you utilize. You know, gold going up the way it's gone up, silver performing the way it's been performing. It's. And we haven't really seen inflation or real market volatility get priced into the financial markets. So the fact that it's moving up the way it is, it's almost as if it's moving up in anticipation of what's going to come. I mean, I always tell people Donald Trump has a responsibility to the overall welfare and health of the economy. Americans have a responsibility to their own finances. And I think we're going to see that the policies that he's putting in place are going to create. They can't create pain, especially short term disruption. Disruption.

[C]

There is going to be economic disruption. If we're going to set the house straight, if we're going to settle accounts, if we are going to set ourselves up for a brighter economic future, there's absolutely going to be disruption. Not only that, there's going to be the AI revolution disruption. We're seeing this with new graduates trying to get jobs in the economy. There's going to be disruption. And that's why these conversations are so important when we're talking about what we're going to do next.

[D]

Yeah. I think the question you should ask yourself is why has gold and why has silver performed the way it has? And I think if you just go throughout history, I mean, you can go really, you can go back to the Great Depression, but every single time we've had a major market crash. In 2000, we had the techmania.com bubble burst. Essentially what happens. First, the bond market went sideways, oil prices plummeted, the dollar sold off, the bond market sold off shortly thereafter as well. Gold and silver prices more than doubled in 2008 during the housing crisis. Same thing. So when money rotates out of stocks and bonds during a market crash, when it rotates out of cash during periods of inflation, it just needs a place to go. It tends to gravitate towards gold and silver first because they are the classic safe haven investments and that's what causes prices to go up. So if you're trying to, if you look at the economic climate and you go over the next two, three, four years, do I believe the market's going to be higher or lower? If the answer is lower, then what can I use to hedge against that downside? You don't put all your eggs in one basket on either side. But the more you can diversify a portfolio against market risk and take advantage of growth, then the better off you are in the long term. Because that's what investment, investment should be. It should be long term focus.

[C]

Absolutely. And long term, I mean, again, this isn't long term, but year to date. I'm looking at gold right now and it's actually up even more. Or silver. I'm looking at silver right now. Silver's up more than gold year to date. So if you would have bought at the beginning of the year, it would have been, let's see here, 29 bucks, 29.90, something like that. Now it is at 53.46. That's a 75 point. Well now just, it's going up and down 4 or 5% increase. Why is silver going up faster than gold? I'm just curious about a minute left in the setup.

[D]

That's a great question. Gold and silver are brother sister metals. They track each other. So gold's all time high before this run up was about around $2,000 an ounce. And it reached that number in response to the 2008 financial crisis. From 2008 to 2011, at the same time we saw silver go to 50. So now gold being at $4,000, gold's doubled its record high. Silver just hit its record high. So you can easily make the argument that percentage wise, silver will be the better performer. It will continue to go up. I think we're going to see gold. If I had to guess, by the middle of next year we could see gold at 6,000, 6,500. And if that happens, we can easily see silver, I think between 75 and $100 now.

[C]

Wow, we say that again. You think gold could. I mean, obviously this is not. Nobody knows what the future holds. But you were saying you think it's.

[D]

Possible to see gold hit what, 6,000, $6,500 an ounce. And this is just not my opinions. We've seen bank of America, Goldman Sachs come out with forecasts.

[C]

So that would be $2,400 higher than it is right now.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

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[A]

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[C]

Youm were just telling me it's surreal to be in here. And I agree. Actually, every time I step into this studio space and I look at Charlie's empty chair and see his that amazing picture, I believe that was from the RFK endorsement event that we put on the back here in Phoenix when RFK endorsed President Trump. We actually produced that at Turning Point. I mean, tell us. I mean, you know, when you walk into the space, what do you feel?

[D]

Unbelievably, it's a sense of peace, calmness. Wow, you know, I stepped in. It was, you know, initial sadness just thinking about the person that we lost. But when I feel the presence in the room, the energy in the room, I feel peaceful.

[C]

Yeah, I think Charlie felt that too. He loved being in here. And we found him his big giant nephilim chair. Charlie was huge. He was like 6, 5. And he. Everybody always the first thing is you're taller than I realized. I don't know what they thought he was. But yeah, he was a big, big guy. And so we have this giant chair here. And it brings me peace too, sometimes. Look at him. We are here with Preserve gold, Daniel Boston. Ooh, what is this? This looks like fun stuff. I love. Oh, is that. This is silver, right?

[D]

Five ounce silver. Americans.

[C]

Beautiful. Five ounce silver. And it's. It's a quarter. Can I get a zoom in on this?

[D]

That's a five ounce silver coin. Five ounce George Washington is one side of the coin.

[C]

What's that?

[D]

George Washington is one side. And then that coin makes up different state parks.

[C]

Chickasaw. This would be Oklahoma. Yeah. Because it's 2011. How they did all the 50 states and the quarters. This is great. It's heavy, man.

[D]

Yeah, it's a beautiful coin.

[C]

That is awesome. Okay, so listen, so if somebody's out there in the. By the way, I just wanted to give a bit of breaking news here. John Fetterman, Senator John Fetterman apparently has fallen and has been rushed to the hospital. He had a ventricular fibrillation flare up that caused him to fall and hit his face. But I'm told that he's in good spirits. He's saying, if you thought my face looked bad before, wait until you see it. So actually just, you know, I know that John Fetterman still votes like a Dem most of the time, and that is what it is. But he's been defending Charlie, he's been defending free speech. He's been a voice of reason. So I'm happy to hear he's doing well. So back to the topic at hand here, though. There's a. You've got this. The Precious Metals IRA 2025 is IRA. The kind of the way that is that like the. What you found is if you've not invested in precious metals, gold and silver and all these things, is that the best way to kind of get started, do you think? Is that the easiest way or what do you recommend? What's the course of action?

[D]

I recommend. So there's two different ways you can go about getting started with preserve gold, but it really depends on everyone's unique situation. We really try and take time for the people that we're working with to understand their goals, ask the right questions so we can understand that situation, then make recommendations based on that. The IRA program that we offer allows you to take your existing retirement account, whether it's an IRA, a 401k, 403b, tsp, any kind of qualified retirement account. You can roll those funds in that account over completely Tax free, penalty free into a new ira we'd establish for you that can hold physical gold or silver inside the account. So that way instead of having exposure to stocks, bonds, mutual funds, really paper based assets, you can have hard physical metals inside the account backing it up.

[C]

Yeah, I got an email here from Steve, says please ask how much it costs to sell gold and silver. Is that a. I guess, you know, if you have it. Does it, does it cost mixture? Is there a way to roll it over in a strategic way?

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. So whatever you buy from Preserve Gold, this is one of the main reasons why our clients love working with us amongst many. But when you go to buy gold and silver from us, when it comes time for you to sell or liquidate out of your position, we charge zero fees.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

We get people the highest posted price on the market when they go to liquidate. Zero fees.

[C]

Wow, that's great. And other people, I would, I presume he's asking that question because he's run into other people that maybe.

[D]

Yeah, I mean there's, there's dealers out there that can charge 10, 20% on the way out. So you invest 100,000, they're taking 10 to $20,000 in the way.

[C]

No kidding.

[D]

We don't do that. We take.

[C]

And that's legal for them to do that?

[D]

Yeah. I mean this, this industry, that's something we should probably talk about.

[C]

Okay. Talk about.

[D]

There are some bad actors in this industry. I'm not, obviously not going to mention any names, but the reason why I actually founded Preserve Gold to begin with was because, you know, I had been in the industry doing this for over a decade before I started my company, Preserve Gold, and realized there just had to be a better way. I have seen things from, you know, sales representatives, gold brokers lying about fees being charged, shipping taking six months or longer for metals to be delivered, and I mean, all kinds of nightmare stories. Reserve Gold was launched with a mission of transparency. Being at the forefront of everything that we do so from, you know, disclosing fees to getting products shipped out promptly using the correct security protocols. And I think our reputation really represents.

[C]

That's what we found because of, of all the, I mean, and I told your team as well, you know, we, our standard in this space is like super, super high because we only want to work with people like yourself that do this the right way because our audience is everything to us. And we don't want them to, we don't want to lead them down a path that's going to, they're going to. I do not want one negative email from any of our sponsors, but especially this category. And you guys, I mean, when we looked at it, you guys had the best reputation of anybody out there.

[D]

Yeah. There's a reason for that. You know, everything is in full transparency, full disclosure. We have nothing to hide. There's a. There's a cost associated with doing business. We got to keep the lights on, but we want to make sure people understand what those costs are and the approach that we take with people that we work with. It's a no sales pressure strategy where it's. It's very educational based. We ask questions, we get to know the people that we're working with. It's relationship oriented. And then based on that, we can make some recommendations so that people can land in a place where they can make the best decision for themselves.

[C]

Well, so if you want to do this, go to preservegold.com Charlie, we got that right up there. That URL. Check that out. Helps the show too, but it frankly, I mean, precious metals has been through the roof, so please check it out. Thank you. Daniel Boston Preserve Gold. It's been a pleasure.

[D]

Yeah, thanks for having me, Andrew. Appreciate it.

[C]

Absolutely. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

[B]

For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.

[C]

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