Can Charlie's Home State Prove Him Wrong?

Summary

Summary of "Can Charlie's Home State Prove Him Wrong?" – The Charlie Kirk Show (May 4, 2025)

In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk engages with a diverse audience at the University of Illinois, addressing pressing national issues such as immigration, border security, abortion, and the aftermath of the January 6th events. Through a series of open mic questions, Charlie provides his conservative perspective, defending Trump-era policies and advocating for stricter immigration controls and pro-life stances.

---

1. Border Security and Deportations

Audience Concerns: At 10:38, Audience Member 2 expresses frustration with the Trump administration's handling of deportations, feeling that promised mass deportations are not being achieved. They highlight the administration's initial high numbers of daily deportations under Trump versus the escalating numbers under Biden.

Notable Quotes:

Audience Member 2 (10:38): "I feel like they're not totally delivering on their promises... 14 million illegal aliens came over the border during Biden's term."

Charlie's Response: Charlie acknowledges the complexity of the issue, attributing the slow progress to legal challenges and court injunctions.

Charlie Kirk (12:44): "The administration is constantly innovating as a way to solve this problem. And the final thing I'll say is this...we have to keep on boosting these numbers up."

He emphasizes that securing the southern border has significantly reduced daily crossings from 10,000 to nearly zero and urges patience, believing that the deportations will increase as legal processes catch up.

Charlie Kirk (12:44): "President Trump is doing everything he said he was going to do...We have a southern border again, which is amazing."

2. Abortion Debate

Audience Challenge: At 14:53, Audience Member 4 initiates a deep dive into the abortion debate, presenting a hypothetical scenario to challenge pro-life arguments by comparing it to a mother being forced to donate a kidney to save her daughter.

Notable Exchange:

Audience Member 4 (15:18): "If there's a mother and a daughter...should the mom be required legally by the government to give her kidney in order to keep the daughter alive?"

Charlie Kirk (19:03): "You do not have a right to starve another human being of nutrients that would kill them. You do not have a right."

Despite attempts to introduce biological and philosophical distinctions, Charlie firmly maintains that human life begins at conception and equates abortion to murder, asserting that all stages of human development deserve equal protection.

Charlie Kirk (24:01): "Therefore, at every step of the process of development, you have the same human rights as when you're 18 or 30 or 40."

3. January 6th and Trump Policies

Audience Inquiry: At 10:38, Audience Member 5 questions Charlie about Trump's decision to commute the sentence of Dominic Pozzola, a participant in the January 6th Capitol breach.

Notable Interaction:

Audience Member 5 (34:27): "How do you feel about Donald Trump commuting the sentence of Dominic Pozzola... the first person to enter the Capitol by using said riot shield?"

Charlie Kirk (34:31): "I don't like what he did, but why did Trump commute him?"

Charlie defends the commutation by criticizing the judicial process, suggesting that many defendants lacked proper due process and that Trump's actions were justified to cleanse the system.

Charlie Kirk (37:01): "Donald Trump is a criminal because...the prosecution didn't know...they literally said we can't tell you what crime that they were covering up."

He frames the commutation as a corrective measure against what he perceives as a politically motivated prosecution.

4. Immigration Policies and National Security

Audience Questions: At 41:34, Audience Member 6 raises questions about Trump's tariff policies and their implications for trade deficits, especially with allies like Japan and South Korea.

Notable Dialogue:

Audience Member 6 (41:53): "What do you think of how the Trump administration squares the idea that a trade deficit means we're getting ripped off?"

Charlie Kirk (43:51): "A trade deficit is also a capital account surplus...If you can't make your own drones, if you can't make your own pharmaceuticals, then you're not a nation. You're basically a colony."

Charlie argues that reducing dependency on countries like China through tariffs is essential for national security and industrial independence.

Charlie Kirk (45:19): "We should consider permanent tariffs on certain industries...reducing dependency on the Chinese Communist Party."

He acknowledges the risk of pushing other nations closer to China but emphasizes President Trump's proactive measures to renegotiate trade deals with allies.

5. Police and Law Enforcement

Audience Concerns: At 77:22, Audience Member 1 questions the high prison population in the U.S., juxtaposing the country's self-proclaimed status as the "land of the free" with its incarceration rates.

Notable Exchange:

Audience Member 1 (83:34): "How do we proclaim ourselves land of the free with the world's highest prison population?"

Charlie Kirk (83:39): "More police equals less crime for all colors. Police are heroes for putting their lives on the line for all of us."

Charlie defends the current law enforcement system, arguing that increased policing leads to reduced crime rates and highlights issues like the removal of shot detectors in Chicago as detrimental to public safety.

Charlie Kirk (84:27): "Police save lives every single day. We massively expanded police in the 1990s. America had less crime."

6. Closing Remarks

As the Q&A session concludes, Charlie Kirk reiterates his staunch support for Trump's immigration and law enforcement policies, dismissing opposing viewpoints as morally confused or driven by political agendas. He emphasizes the importance of restoring law and order, protecting American citizens, and maintaining national sovereignty.

Charlie Kirk (86:00): "A nation is allowed to expel people at their own choosing...We can kick you out as quickly as we choose."

He wraps up by encouraging listeners to subscribe to the podcast and engage with supporting ministries, reinforcing his commitment to conservative values and policies.

---

Key Takeaways:

• Immigration and Border Security: Charlie emphasizes the need for strict immigration controls and supports Trump's efforts to reduce illegal crossings and deportations despite legal challenges.

• Pro-Life Stance: He maintains that human life begins at conception, equating abortion to murder, and argues against bodily autonomy claims that seek to permit abortions.

• Law Enforcement: Advocates for increased policing as a means to reduce crime, defending police actions and criticizing movements that seek to reduce police authority.

• Economic Policies: Supports protective tariffs to reduce dependency on foreign manufacturing, particularly from China, and argues that balanced trade agreements are essential for national security.

• January 6th Aftermath: Defends Trump's commutations by critiquing the judicial process and alleging political motivations behind prosecutions related to the Capitol breach.

This episode underscores Charlie Kirk's unwavering conservative viewpoints, particularly regarding immigration, law enforcement, and pro-life issues, while addressing audience concerns through a combative and assertive dialogue.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. My conversation at University of Illinois, we take an open mic, we answer a lot of questions about Garcia, the open border, about transgenderism, about abortion, and more. Email me, as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. Open up your podcast application and type in Charlie Kirk show and make sure you guys consider becoming a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk.com thanks to Alan Jackson Ministries for your continued support. Buckle up, everybody here. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegold investments.com, that is noblegoldinvestments.com. it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com thank you, everybody. Please take a seat. It's great to be back in Illinois, I'll tell you what. All right, let's see. Who. Anyone from Wheeling. Come on. Someone's got to be from Wheeling. Inevitably. Hersey. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't like Hersey. Anyone from Wheeling up there? All right, I'll tell you what. Illinois. One person from Wheeling. You go to Wheeling High School. That's what I'm talking about. Anybody else? No, no, no. Hersey. No, we don't like Hersey. Where'd you go to middle school, is the real question. Where? No. River Trail? Stephen? Worse. London? No, no. MacArthur Middle School, everybody. That's the best.

[Audience Member 1]

Where?

[Charlie Kirk]

Wheeling. I love it. All right, well, I went to Wheeling High School. I'm from Illinois. I know we got a lot of people from the suburbs of Chicago here. It's great to be here, everybody. Thank you for the great welcome. Sorry for the delay getting in, but a lot I could talk about here. We honestly want to get right into question and answer, because that's the most fun, and that's why people wait in line to kind of see that and Experience that lot happening in the country. In case you missed it, I don't know, a couple months ago, we won a presidential election, which is pretty awesome. And what you are seeing is sometimes the not so perfect process of taking back a government from a prior regime that ignored its own citizens. The very good news is we have a southern border again, which is amazing. There was 10,000 people crossing the border a day under Joe Biden. Now that number is basically and effectively zero. Securing the southern border. President Trump is doing everything he said he was going to do. I believe we're going to get the whole tariff thing figured out. We'll talk about that tonight. We'll have a great discussion there. President Donald Trump signed an executive order saying no men in female sports, no men in female locker rooms, declaring the cartels as a foreign terrorist organization. Signing an executive order, of course. Drill, baby, drill. Oil prices, by the way, are down nearly $20 in just the last couple of days. You're going to see that at the pump very soon. All that to say, though. Nothing. Obviously, when you take over an administration is going to go perfectly. But what is so refreshing is to finally see a person who was a candidate, who became president doing exactly what he campaigned on and not just turning his back on his voters and doing something that is the opposite. Everybody in this room, regardless if you're a Trump lover or a Trump hater, there is a sense of urgency for you. Gen Z, thankfully, by the way, is increasingly becoming the most conservative generation in history. It's moving very, very quickly. Some great stuff, everybody. A lot better than millennials. I'll tell you what, when I spoke here eight years ago, we could barely fill a 100 person room and now we have to, we're going to turn away like 600 people tonight. It's incredible, but it's a, it is a serious issue that is facing Gen Z. You are the first generation in American history to have a future that is materially worse off than your parents. You are the most suicidal generation in history, the most depressed generation history. It is harder than ever to own a home. Harder than ever to be able to work hard and get ahead. Many of you are going to experience yourself in the, in the, in the red, not in the black of your financial situation. What has gone down is a breakdown of the social compact and the social contract, which is that we have decided that the next generation does not deserve the same future that your parents had. And I believe that's one of the big breakdowns as to why so many young people decided to Trust Donald Trump with their vote back in November. It was basically, it was a signal. It was a cry for help. It was a distress signal of a generation that owned nothing and is not happy and understands that if you do not have a meaningful opportunity to do the very basic things, get married, have children, start a family, own a home, and instead you have to go move to the big cities like Indianapolis or Chicago, rent for the rest of your life and maybe get married, maybe have kids, maybe not, and you kind of continue on this. This cycle of misery. Meanwhile, your parents like, oh, yeah, it was super easy for us to buy a home in Hinsdale in the 1970s or 80s. Like, well, I don't know if you're ever going to be able to do that under the current economic, established order. So what you are seeing is hopefully a rebalancing of that. Young people overwhelmingly voted for that in an amazing way back in November. Because regardless of your political affiliation, the next generation, I believe, doesn't just deserve better, but it's generational theft, it's intergenerational thievery to steal from young people just so that the older generation can have a nice decade. And we saw this explicitly during the lockdowns. The lockdowns, in my opinion, was one of the greatest mistakes in modern American history, was one of the greatest public policy mistakes. We never should have locked down our schools. We never should have canceled prom, graduation. One of the greatest mistakes ever. And the argument that was made was that, well, we're going to make you, the kid, suffer because you might infect grandma. This is a moral disaster. We are the first generation in American history where parents were willing to make their kids suffer so that they could have it nicer. I want you to think about how perverse that is. Every other generation would be. I, the adult, will live a worse life so my kid can live a better life. This is the first time where they said, we're going to shut down the schools even though the kids are going to commit suicide more. They're going to be more isolated, they're going to be more depressed, even though half of girls by the time they reach the age of 25 are going to be on antidepressants or clinically depressed or some sort of general anxiety disorder, largely because of the outgrowth of COVID Even though we're going to see all of these mental health issues coming out of COVID we're still going to lock everything down for something that was never a threat to you in this audience. This virus was never a threat to you in this audience. But we did this under the guise in the medium that, well, you might go infect somebody older than you. Well, hold on a second. Wouldn't the smarter thing have been just to quarantine the older individuals and let the younger people still have school and still have sports and not shut down Illinois schools for a year and a half? And we saw it as a catastrophic failure. Reading levels went down, math levels went down. And it's a generation that is left behind. And now we're trying to catch up by doing that. We need to see wages go up, we need to see debt levels go down. And quite honestly, we need to allow women to be women again and men to be men again. Enough of this persistent war on masculinity. In my personal opinion, we need to see young people get married earlier and have more children and have increased families. The cycle of just going to go move to a major metropolitan area, as I said, go work for a company that does not like you, does not care for you, and quite honestly resents you, just so that you could have like a two bedroom, two bath in the Gold coast and act like you're living the dream? Let me tell you what the actual dream is. The real dream is being able to wake up every single day with a wife who loves you or a husband that loves you. And even if you're struggling, even if you're going through life with tension, to have children, not just a bunch of cats and a nice job working for Boeing because, oh, I'm told that we have to go pursue the corporate dream. There is a deeper existence out there than what you have been sold for the young ladies out there. I understand that there's hyper feminist lie that's being pushed. You got to go to college, you got to get a job. That's all fine, that's great, pursue your passions, do all that. But understand the happiest women in America. This is definitionally true. The data shows it. The happiest women in America are not the CEOs, they're not the mid level managers, they're not the HR executives. The happiest women in America are married with kids. By far. They are the happiest women in America by far. And we need to, we need to not just give young ladies the permission for that. We need to say that the most elevated, heroic and courageous thing that you could do in this country is not go get a second master's degree at University of Chicago. It's maybe have more kids than you can afford, build a family beyond what your apartment can actually hold. That is actually what it looks like to be a hero in modern America. Not wearing a mask, fighting systemic racism in the streets of Grant park, acting as if you're some sort of social justice warrior activist. One is a hero and one is a coward. Okay with that. I actually just did a three hour event earlier at Illinois State University. Don't hold that against me. So I'm largely talked out until we start getting to Q and A. These events, as you can imagine, take incredible stamina. We're doing this every day. Yesterday we're in South Carolina, two events today, then we go to Purdue. We don't like Purdue. And then we. Yeah, exactly. We don't like Purdue. And then we go to. We really don't like Michigan State. I'm going to Michigan State on Friday. So let's do Q and A. How are we doing this, guys? We're going to line it up somewhere in the aisles. We're going to dive right into it because I know that's the most fun. As a reminder, guys, be respectful of people who ask questions. Even if you might disagree with the questioner, do not interrupt. Give them the respect that you don't always get. And also, if you disagree, the line will format here. If you disagree, work your way to the front of the line. We want active disagreements. We will take a question, of course, from conservatives, but I love all my MAGA hat, people, honestly. Thank you. We could talk all day long about how great things are. We want to hear the disagreement. We want to have the back and forth. That's why we're here tonight. Right? Okay with that, let's get to some questions. Yes, Sir.

[Audience Member 2]

What's up, Mr. Kirk? How we doing for about six or seven years?

[Charlie Kirk]

Awesome.

[Audience Member 2]

Totally nerve wracking. But hey, I'm honestly feeling duped by the Trump administration. I feel like they're not totally delivering on their promises.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Audience Member 2]

And I think the biggest promise was mass deportations. Right. And you know, the ice, Instagram and Twitter accounts, they made a big stink about it. They were posting like, you know, a thousand deportations today, 2000 today. And then it slowly started to trickle down. And I know Trump called ICE or something and was like, hey, pump the numbers up or whatever, but it just doesn't seem like it's going to materialize. And it looks on paper that Obama is going to pass him. He's going to have more career deportations than Trump. 14 million illegal aliens came over the border during Biden's term.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Audience Member 2]

And it looks like we're not going to make a dent in that. I mean, Susie Wiles, the campaign manager, she came out chief of staff, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Chief of staff. Yeah. Chief of staff. Yeah. Okay. Chief of staff.

[Audience Member 2]

She came out and she said if we get 3 million deportations, it'd be a success, but there are 40 million legals in the country. I know there are judiciary problems, but isn't there something Trump can do? I mean, I can't. I'm not the only one that's feeling duped and I'm not part of the extreme right.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's been 75 days. So let's, let's start with the duped language. Number one, can we acknowledge we have a border so that there's no new people coming in? Yes, 100%.

[Audience Member 2]

I totally support that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Awesome. Great. Number two, there's self deportation happening. The New York Times just did this huge story saying that hundreds of thousands of people are now self deporting back to their country of origin because they're afraid that they might be deported. So that's good, too. We can agree.

[Audience Member 3]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I would offer you, I would argue you need to also offer the president and his administration a little bit of grace. He's being enjoined to actually be able to do deportations. Sure. He has been sued over 114 times by Circuit courts, basically handcuffing his ability to do that. Now, we had an amazing Supreme Court victory yesterday where the Supreme Court came and said, yes, actually you can use the Alien and Invaders act to be able to get MS.13 and Trend Aragua out of the country, which is amazing. I do agree with you, though. Even though it's been three months, we do need to keep on boosting these numbers up. Largely, it is a legal problem. Every time a single person gets deported, there's a lawsuit and a judge that does an injunction lawsuit and judge that.

[Audience Member 2]

Yeah, totally.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we have to wait for the Supreme Court to continue to weigh in on that. With that being said, though, the administration is constantly innovating as a way to solve this problem. And the final thing I'll say is this, and I understand your urgency. We've never dealt with this kind of a problem before where you have 14 million new people. It might be 12, but I think 14 is about right in four years. I mean, it's an unprecedented amount of people. To put that into perspective, that there are 30 states that have less people than 14 million people. I mean, I mean, it's a big deal.

[Audience Member 2]

But I mean, Tom, Tom Holman came out and he said hey, we're not going to be rounding up people in the street in vans. And I'm like, how else is it going to get done? I get that would look bad. It'd be a terrible look. Bad optics. But it's got to get done somehow. And if Trump doesn't do it, how's it going to get done?

[Charlie Kirk]

Fair enough. It's been 75 days. Give them a little bit of time. Right? The deportations will increase, and I believe that any person that crossed under Joe Biden should be returned back to their country of origin. And we need to keep the pressure on. And I believe President Trump will deliver. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. We're honored to be partnering with the Alan Jackson Ministries. And today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity. The Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues that we're facing. Gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump and the White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world. Today, the Culture and Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to get biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Alan and the [e-mail] that is Alan Jackson.com again, that is AlanJackson.com.

[Audience Member 4]

Hey, Charlie. I'm a freshman here majoring in aerospace engineering. First of all, I just want to say I respect your ability to engage in, like, civil discourse. I think that's very important. And I think a lot of the times we on the left kind of get into shouting matches and start ostracizing people, much to our. Not to our advantage. So I respect that. That being said, there's a lot of things I disagree with you about. I think I want to talk about abortion with you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I've never debated that before.

[Audience Member 4]

It's a fan favorite. I know, and I've seen some of your stuff on it. I'm sure you're familiar with J.J. thompson's argument about abortion. The violinist.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, so I want to propose, like, a slightly different take on that. Maybe a variation. So if there's a mother and a daughter, the daughter can be a teenager, 20, whatever, and let's say this daughter has some kind of condition or organ failure or something where she needs a body apart from her mom, like a kidney transplant, and only her mom is capable of giving her that. That kidney transplant. She's the only person for DNA reasons or something. Do you think that mom should be required legally by the government to give her kidney in order to keep the daughter alive? Otherwise the daughter died.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not an analogous situation.

[Audience Member 4]

So why is it not analogous?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, first of all, because pregnancy only lasts nine months and you don't lose a kidney.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, so let's say, okay, you realize.

[Charlie Kirk]

When you have a baby, you don't lose a kidney.

[Audience Member 4]

So the mother has to give up her kidney for nine months and then she gets it back.

[Charlie Kirk]

How does that work? That's why it's not analogous.

[Audience Member 4]

I understand, but if, okay, let's say.

[Charlie Kirk]

The mother come up with an example that is, okay, the mother has to.

[Audience Member 4]

Be hooked up into the daughter's bloodstream for nine months.

[Charlie Kirk]

Use a real example, not something theoretical.

[Audience Member 4]

I don't understand. Like what part. I understand it's theoretical, but what part of this analogy is not analogous?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because it doesn't happen.

[Audience Member 4]

I mean, of course it doesn't happen.

[Charlie Kirk]

But why of course? So then why are we talking about it?

[Audience Member 4]

Because it's an analogy. Analogies don't happen. That's the point of analogies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, some analogies actually do happen. Okay, so can you think of one that would be rooted in reality?

[Audience Member 4]

An abortion. But okay, okay, let's say, like. I think the reason you're trying to avoid this is because you realize that the government.

[Charlie Kirk]

But let's flip this hypothetical around. Yeah, okay, let's say that you had a, A killer, like a very awful disease for nine months, a killer disease. And if you took a magical pill, because we're going to use hypotheticals that could kill somebody randomly around the world, would you do it?

[Audience Member 4]

I would not do it, no. But.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so you would let the other person live?

[Audience Member 4]

I would, but. Okay. The difference here is that that's your pro life. No, I'm. Okay, here's my distinction I wanted to make, though. I think there's a very, There's a very important distinction to be made between thinking that abortions are good versus thinking that women should have the choice to have an abortion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Audience Member 4]

Because in our scenario, the mother, daughter, you can argue that the right thing to do, the thing you would want to do, or the thing That I would want someone to do is to donate the kidney and save the daughter. But I think there's kind of an instinct that for the mother, some sort of autonomy, bodily autonomy perhaps is. Stands in the way and basically says the government cannot enforce her to do that, even if it's the thing that we would feel is right for her to do. So what about that situation is different?

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it the mother's DNA?

[Audience Member 4]

What do you mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

Is the baby in her DNA?

[Audience Member 4]

Well, in my first analogy, I guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, but like, but it's a separate human being, right? So every human being should have separate, protected universal rights.

[Audience Member 4]

If the daughter, does the mother have the protected universal right to not have her kidney taken to go to the daughter?

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Audience Member 4]

In this, in this scenario, I thought.

[Charlie Kirk]

We were over that one, but. So I'm trying to get to at least some semblance of landing the plane here.

[Audience Member 4]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

When a woman is pregnant, there's two sets of DNA. Mother, baby. If the mother terminates that baby abortion, then she is basically saying, my DNA matters more than this other human being's DNA.

[Audience Member 4]

Don't you think a human, a human who is physically like, entangled with another human has the right purely on bodily autonomy to do that? If someone else is reliant, plugged into my body, do I not have the right to disconnect that and retain.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, you do not have the right to starve another human being of nutrients that would kill them. You do not have a right.

[Audience Member 4]

If you woke up tomorrow and someone was planning.

[Charlie Kirk]

Plugged into you again, that's not going to happen. Use a real example.

[Audience Member 4]

You're not, you're not, you're not addressing the, the root, the root issue here.

[Charlie Kirk]

The root, the root issue is to be philosophically consistent. A woman or a man, especially a woman in pregnancy, does not have a right to terminate another human being, regardless if it's in their utero, in their nursery, or whether it's in their car.

[Audience Member 4]

If someone, if someone comes up to you and is trying to cause you bodily harm, like trying to, I don't know, not kill you, but trying to attack you and cause you harmless, do you have the right to defend yourself?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on, hold on a second. Are you saying that a baby's an invader in a woman's uterus?

[Audience Member 4]

I mean, in a way it is, right? What? The baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

If, okay, let's say is the baby breaking and entering?

[Audience Member 4]

In, in an instance, in an instance of rape. In an instance of rape.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on, that's less than. That's less than half of 1% of all the cases. So I am pro life in all the cases. But let me just say. Let's say that we allow abortion and rape. Should we then outlaw abortion for all the other cases?

[Audience Member 4]

I don't think so.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so then we're not even talk about rape because you're using it as an externality to try to. So let's now talk about the other 99.9% of the cases.

[Audience Member 4]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

So now let's. But just to be clear, in the 99.9% of the cases, how did that baby appear? Did it just. Knock, knock. I want to come in. Breaking and entering.

[Audience Member 4]

How did the baby probably accidentally hold on?

[Charlie Kirk]

Accidentally? What do you mean? Like, that's like catching COVID You didn't like. I mean, what. What did the woman do to get the baby there?

[Audience Member 4]

Probably had sex.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. So she made a decision and she. Take responsibility for your orgasms. Right.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, but. But if you. If you. I think there's. There's a distinction between. There's a distinction between if you're trying to have sex protected or on.

[Charlie Kirk]

It doesn't matter what. Doesn't matter what your intent is. The action has a consequence. Whether you.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, if you get on a plane and the plane crashes, can we say that you consented to die in a plane crash because that was your intent?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, actually, anyone who gets on a plane knows that when you play certain games, you can win certain prizes. So.

[Audience Member 4]

So, okay, there's a. There's.

[Charlie Kirk]

But is it your fault now? It's probably the pilot's fault or the DEI person running the air traffic controls. Fault, whatever. But the more. More, More concretely or more realistically, do you agree with the principle that people should take responsibility for their actions? Of course you do.

[Audience Member 4]

Generally, yes. But I think in.

[Charlie Kirk]

In generally, except, of course, when it.

[Audience Member 4]

Involves sex, like, people should take responsibility for their actions. But in the. In the scenario where your body is being, like, used by another entity, your body.

[Charlie Kirk]

Your argument would have a lot of merit if babies just appeared. If all of a sudden, like a.

[Audience Member 4]

Woman in a case of rape, a baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's. We decided that we're going to put that aside.

[Audience Member 4]

You think in cases of rape, abortion should be allowed?

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course. You know why you do?

[Audience Member 4]

Because I've seen a clip of you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I do not. Of course, I'm sorry. They should not be allowed. I'll tell you why. I have two ultrasounds in front of me. One is a baby conceived in rape. One is a baby with a loving family. Which one is which there's no distinction. Exactly. Because they're both human beings.

[Audience Member 4]

There is a distinction between the mother.

[Charlie Kirk]

The method of conception does not give you more rights or less rights. Somebody. Somebody in this auditorium. Hold on. Somebody in this auditorium was conceived in rape. Who is it? You don't know? Because they're a human being just the same. Human rights are universal.

[Audience Member 4]

Perception doesn't matter. And the human rights of the mother are also universal. The bodily autonomy. If you're gonna say.

[Charlie Kirk]

Then come on. That right there. Thank you.

[Audience Member 4]

Like I said, like I said, there's. Being pro choice is not necessarily being pro abortion. It's just pro the right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Should I again, this. This might sound awfully elementary or pedantic.

[Audience Member 4]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

But do I have a right to murder you?

[Audience Member 4]

No, because that would infringe my bodily autonomy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bingo. So. So then why. No, time out. Why does a mom then have a right to be able to murder the being in her temporarily Being in her.

[Audience Member 4]

Is infringing upon her bodily. If I was infringing on your bodily autonomy, you could murder me. If I came up and tried to attack you, you could murder me.

[Charlie Kirk]

How could you possibly infringe infringing on bodily autonomy? Because the baby's there for nine months getting nutrients from the mother.

[Audience Member 4]

Yeah. And. And like when their birth. They rip a hole in the mother and. Cause like, there are a ton of side consequences that could come out of that. There's all of these like it. It is reliant on the mother's body.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. So it's biologically. Let me just say, I'll grant you all of this. So therefore eliminate the life which. Which definitionally infringes on that human's rights. Because.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, the, The. The bodily autonomy of the fetus does not prior. Like, does not trump the bodily autonomy of the mother.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because they're both human beings.

[Audience Member 4]

Yes, but the fetus is already infringing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Upon autonomy of the mother. What species is the fetus?

[Audience Member 4]

It's a human.

[Charlie Kirk]

So call it a human, not a fetus. Don't use dehumanizing language to try to make it seem like it's a compost cells. Because it's easy to murder things you cannot see. Right. It's easier to eliminate things you cannot witness. So they use words like fetus, not you.

[Audience Member 4]

So the baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

Were you a human being when you were a fetus?

[Audience Member 4]

I was a. Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, great. So therefore. Therefore, if it's a human being, shouldn't it get human rights the same as you and I? Just because it's smaller. Just because it can't talk like us. Doesn't it deserve human rights?

[Audience Member 4]

It does. As long as it's not infringing upon another human's rights.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, hold on, time out. Just like the case is my 6 month old who demands food all the time and can't hunt and gather, infringing on my rights and my income. Because it needs food all the time.

[Audience Member 4]

No, because it's not hooked up into your body.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. No, no, no, hold on. It's in my home. If I don't feed my child, I will go to jail for intentional child starvation. I will get locked up by CPS. So how is it any different to have a 6 month old under my custody, which is infringing on my income, infringing on my rights, infringing on my sleep, infringing on a lot of different things. As a father, how is it any different than the nine months up to umbilical cord? By the way, how many people in this audience are currently having their tuition paid for by their parents? They're infringing on their parents income. Okay, how is it any different?

[Audience Member 4]

Actually, because you don't think that there is a difference between the baby after it's born versus the baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's the difference?

[Audience Member 4]

Okay, because while it is in utero, while the woman is pregnant, it can cause the woman physical harm. It is life threatening. There are a ton of cases where it can, it can cause all kinds of things to happen and it is physically hooked up into your body, it incapacitates you to some extent pregnant.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just, I encourage you. You have such like a lot, you have. Just so we are clear that babies can infect moms with terrible diseases. Like babies are like disease mongers by the time that they're age one. No, but here's the point is that there are risks at every point of human development. There are risks when the baby is two weeks old, there's a risk when they're 16 years old and they start driving. Then there are risks to all of humanity.

[Audience Member 4]

But the point you don't think there's a fundamental difference when they're physically connected?

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's play this out. If the idea of somebody being physically connected right now, there are tens of thousands of babies right now in what is called NICU. It's a neonatal intensive care unit. They're 26, 27, 28 weeks. They cannot breathe on their own. They have contraptions and machines all around. And it's extremely expensive. Hold on. It's extremely expensive for the parents. They have to Go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt, do they have a right to say, you know what, that baby in NICU, it's going to cost us 300 grand as all these machines, do they have a right to pull the plug on that baby?

[Audience Member 4]

Do you think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Answer the question.

[Audience Member 4]

I don't think so. But do you think how is it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Any different than what it's in Europe?

[Audience Member 4]

It's not bodily autonomy. Do you think they, they would have a right to go pull someone random off the street and hook up the baby into that person's bloodstream because the baby would die otherwise? If the NICU machine doesn't exist. What, what, what do you think? If, okay, if the NICU machine didn't exist and you had to pull a random person off the street.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, say that again. None of that is like, even remotely.

[Audience Member 4]

Relevant because you understand that the answer.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is no, because it's not applicable what I'm saying. But again, I. You, in some ways, you're overthinking it. In some ways, you're underthinking it. Let me just kind of end with this, that human development at its very core, irrefutably starts at conception. I believe human life and human development start the same. You can have your own thoughts on that. But human development, our process, human beings start when our deoxyribonucleic acid, as a zygote, attaches the. To the uterine wall. That is when life begins, like, irrefutably.

[Audience Member 4]

I'm not arguing that I never, I never wanted.

[Charlie Kirk]

But allow me to finish and then, then we'll get to the next question. Therefore, at every step of the process of development, you have the same human rights as when you're 18 or 30 or 40. And the most fundamental of all those rights is life. And if we cannot defend your life. Right. Then what good are we defending all of your other rights? Final point.

[Audience Member 4]

So, So I still think, I really don't think it would hurt you to answer the original analogy. I think you see where it would go that the, the. You can't infringe upon someone's bodily autonomy in order to save someone else's life. Do you agree with that? Like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on, time out. Just so we are clear, we infringe on people's bodily autonomy all the time. I'm going to give you an example. We drafted men into World War II to go fight for this nation that infringed on their bodily autonomy. We told them that your time is not your own, your passion is not your own, you Must go run onto Normandy Beach. Would you agree that is an infringement on bodily autonomy?

[Audience Member 4]

It is, but the government has the right to do that for the. To uphold the nation. Right. There's a difference.

[Charlie Kirk]

Saving babies upholds the nation, my friend, all the time.

[Audience Member 4]

In the same. In the same way as fighting a war.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Even more so. In fact, reducing abortions by a million a year would be an enrichment of our society. We might find the next Einstein, the next Nikola Tesla. We might have the next Michael Jordan that is being aborted every day.

[Audience Member 4]

The government. The government's. I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Audience Member 4]

The government's. The government's right to be able to do that, I think needs to be justified by some reason that it affects the government. It doesn't affect the government to terminate a baby in pregnancy. Like you don't think.

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't think a million abortions a year affects anybody.

[Audience Member 4]

I'm not saying it affects nobody, but I'm saying in the same. What you're saying, it affects people in the same way that the government not being able to have an army does. Like, I think there's a difference.

[Charlie Kirk]

I would actually think it's an even bigger moral crisis than not being able to enlist an army. If you are. A crisis, if you are massacring a million of your own people every year, that's a bigger problem than being able to properly staff the Marine Corps.

[Audience Member 4]

You're. You're. Okay, so you think we're mastering the people, but we also are forcing women.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but to go to. Just to go back to your analogy, just so we're clear.

[Audience Member 4]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

The government does infringe on bodily autonomy in times of national crisis.

[Audience Member 4]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

And therefore, again, I even reject what.

[Audience Member 4]

Is the national crisis that results murder.

[Charlie Kirk]

A million a year. That's a crisis. Right. If I told you that a million people are murdered a year Blanket, you would say, boy, that's a big problem. In fact, we used to call that the Holocaust.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

In fact. Right. I mean, you would say. So just so we're clear, Holocaust went for about six to seven years. Six to seven million people died.

[Audience Member 4]

We remember a lot about the Holocaust.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was the Holocaust. A crisis.

[Audience Member 4]

Yes, it was a crisis.

[Charlie Kirk]

So how is abortion not a crisis?

[Audience Member 4]

Because the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because they're smaller human beings.

[Audience Member 4]

The unborn, the.

[Charlie Kirk]

The.

[Audience Member 4]

The babies, the fetuses.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. You said baby, therefore it's murder.

[Audience Member 4]

It's a baby, it's a baby. Whatever you want to call it. I still think if. Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whatever you want to call it. Okay.

[Audience Member 4]

I think the big distinction Here is that that baby, that child, is still infringing upon someone else's body, using their body. And I think the owner of that body.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, I might even grant you that. The point being is that throughout history we are able to sometimes say that in order for life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, defeating the Nazis In World War II, there is a greater good. And I will say that what is the greater good? That those that are being massacred in the womb can have life. Because life is good. And it's the first of all, human rights. And that's the last question. Are you glad you weren't aborted?

[Audience Member 4]

Of course I'm glad.

[Charlie Kirk]

Then why wouldn't you want to give that gift to millions of other people?

[Audience Member 4]

Do you want to give the gift? What about, there's mothers there. There are mothers that die in medical situations all the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is a red herring. No one wants those mothers to die. But it is a fact that if we outlawed abortion, 99% of them, all of a sudden we'd have a 990,000 increase in our population every year and we'd have a much more life and.

[Audience Member 4]

Those children would be raised in households.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, that is a cynical view. You know, there's over 2 million people on the adoption waiting list every year and there are a million abortions. We have twice as many people that want to adopt than actually abort in this country. There is no such thing as, as an unwanted child. And I refuse to. To live under the bigotry of low expectations where we can justify, oh, they're going to have a bad life or they're going to grow up in a crime ridden neighborhood. I'm sorry, I know you don't mean it. That's how you get to eugenics. If you start to all of a sudden say that their life is going to be terrible, therefore we can eliminate them. Therefore that is exactly the point. You are.

[Audience Member 4]

I'm started with the bodily autonomy.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, but eventually you interjected for.

[Audience Member 4]

A moment there, you granted for a moment the thing about.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I said if I were to grant you the bodily autonomy, it doesn't even bear out that at times the government can actually take possession of your, your bodily autonomy.

[Audience Member 4]

When did, when did Roe v. Wade started? Like 60s, right from the 1960s.

[Charlie Kirk]

70.

[Audience Member 4]

70 something. Okay. From then until until now, until Trump banned abortion, what national crisis has arisen? Have there been national, like a national crisis? Because all of these babies have been.

[Charlie Kirk]

Aborted, like 55 million souls that never had a chance to live. That's a beyond A national crisis.

[Audience Member 4]

It didn't start our. We didn't lack scientists or politicians because of unborn babies.

[Charlie Kirk]

How do you know?

[Audience Member 4]

I mean, we, like, there was so.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, all 55 million identities and what they could have achieved in their dreams. Well, I mean, at some point, you have to take a step back and say, boy, when 55 million people never had a chance at life, that's kind of dark. What does that say for a society?

[Audience Member 4]

55 million, I don't know if all of them wanted to have an abortion, but billions, millions of women didn't want to be pregnant and were forced to continue being pregnant against their will. Like that affected.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going in circles. But outside of rape, if you don't want to get pregnant, then save yourself for marriage and stop having so much sex with everybody.

[Audience Member 4]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Certainly do not murder babies as an excuse for your gratuitous sex. We've been here for 15 minutes. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know if we made any progress on that, but we definitely tried. Next question.

[Audience Member 5]

Yes, hello, Charlie. Kirk, I hope you have some fiery responses for me.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know about that.

[Audience Member 5]

Before I ask my question, I just wanted to say to the vegan conservative, wherever he is, thought he had some great moral points, but I do still love meat, even though he's right. But anyway, I consider myself a proud American patriot. And my question for you revolves around January 6, 2021. You would consider Donald Trump to be the law and order president or candidate, I would assume, from what you've said in the past. How do you feel about Donald Trump commuting the sentence of Dominic Pozzola, who was the man who stole a riot shield from a police officer on the Capitol grounds and was the first person to enter the Capitol by using said riot shield to break through a window in the Capitol?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't like what he did, but why did Trump commute him?

[Audience Member 5]

I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, because there was a deprivation of basic due process rights.

[Audience Member 5]

It wasn't deprivation of due process.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, a lot of them. First of all, some of the January 6th defendants were talking about Dominic Bozzola.

[Audience Member 5]

Right now, who was on camera stealing a riot shield through a window.

[Charlie Kirk]

I let you talk, so let me talk. Right. Some of the January 6th defendants were in pretrial detention for nearly two to three years. They were not given proper examination of the prosecution's evidence. If you believe in the principle that a rotten tree bears rotten fruit, the entire prosecution of the government around January 6 was politically motivated. Was basically a hit job from the inception where basic human rights were deprived of many of these January 6th defendants. I don't know the specifics of this. This case, but I can almost guarantee you he was not given a fair trial in Washington, D.C. to be able to have all of the evidence presented as any any other American deserves in that kind of a setting.

[Audience Member 5]

Are you familiar at all with the results from the January 6th committee?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I'm in it, actually.

[Audience Member 5]

Have you read it?

[Charlie Kirk]

I read my part.

[Audience Member 5]

You read the part about the Proud Boys and their plans.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just so we're clear, the January 6th committee that got preemptive pardons from Joe Biden in the last day because they were so worried that they were going to go to jail for the rest.

[Audience Member 5]

Of their life, invalidate everything that they found. The part that were.

[Charlie Kirk]

It does make you wonder, why did they need pardons if you were just a January six committee? Like, that's kind of weird, right?

[Audience Member 5]

I don't really see why that matters when they're.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it matters a lot. It's kind of bizarre.

[Audience Member 5]

Dispute the actual evidence, the text messages they found that were between members of the Proud Boys that were coordinating what they were going to be doing on January 6th.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let me ask you, what. What do you think happened on January six?

[Audience Member 5]

I think that Donald Trump had a plan for months before January 6th. The. I'm sure you're aware of the false slice of electors that he sent to seven different states.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again. Again, I've been through this so many times. It's like, yeah, sure, I think I'm gonna be answering this question, like, 2076. I'm telling you guys, like, it should.

[Audience Member 5]

Be, because it was a stain on American history.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, I mean, yeah, you know what was a stain in American history? The fact that Joe Biden let 14 million people across our border and called.

[Audience Member 5]

It, like, a booming economy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you're still a booming.

[Audience Member 5]

Donald Trump is currently tanking our economy and also tanked our economy in 2020 when Covid hit and Hold On. Knocked down this country. All those school closures that you were complaining about were done by Donald Trump.

[Charlie Kirk]

If. If Joe Biden's economy was so great, then why was Kamala Harris afraid to run on it?

[Audience Member 5]

I don't really care for Kamala Harris. Joe Biden was a great American president. I don't think Kamala Harris.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, hold on. Hold on. On some. So do great American presidents pardon their whole family the last hour of their presidency?

[Audience Member 5]

I think you do. And you have criminals like Donald Trump who are Going in saying that we are going to weaponize the Department of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Justice to go after people like Hunter Biden criminals. Yeah. Wait a second. So. So Donald Trump is a criminal because.

[Audience Member 5]

He was charged and found guilty of multiple crimes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you mean the, the New York stuff.

[Audience Member 5]

Oh, so you mean that we just shouldn't trust any judicial system unless it's done by the people that we are in favor of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so tell me the details. What exactly was his crime that Alvin Bragg prosecuted?

[Audience Member 5]

I'm not here to talk about that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, because you don't know the January.

[Audience Member 5]

Crimes that you are trying to deflect from.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on a second. I could talk about January 6th all day long. And I support, support President Trump's pardons. But let's go back because you said Trump was a criminal, since you don't know. It was the falsifying of business records.

[Audience Member 5]

It was the false talking about till 20.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was the falsifying of business records. It was the falsifying of business records to cover up a crime. What was the crime?

[Audience Member 5]

I don't really.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, the prosecution didn't know either because they literally said we can't tell you what crime that they were covering up. So they can't even tell you what the crime that Donald Trump committed, and now it has been downgraded to a misdemeanor. Alvin Bragg literally had to invent a crime that has never been tried before in American history. And Donald Trump faced 700 years in federal prison because of Jack Smith and January 6th cases and all that. And still, despite all of that, Donald Trump won the popular vote and 312 electoral votes. It's funny how that works, isn't it?

[Audience Member 5]

That's wonderful for you. But I don't see how that changes anything that happened on January 6th.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so I am curious, though, about.

[Audience Member 5]

The jump to this part, because.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you think it was. Do you think it was an insurrection?

[Audience Member 5]

I think that the act Donald Trump did beforehand was an instruction. I don't think what happened on January 6th was an instruction. I think it was the delaying of the peaceful transfer of power, which has not happened in American history before.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, it's just we're in such different planets, there is no evidence whatsoever.

[Audience Member 5]

Because I actually believe what I'm saying, unlike what I would assume you do.

[Charlie Kirk]

You think I don't believe what I'm saying?

[Audience Member 5]

I think there's a lot of things you don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, really? It's interesting. You can, like, read my mind and see my spirit. Honestly, it's even scarier to think that you believe what you're saying because it's so insane. Like, it's not a shtick.

[Audience Member 5]

Well, I was able to actually watch what happened on January 6th and feel disgusted. Where you think those were just American patriots?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean, again, I don't like people that assault police officers or damage windows. But you can agree that 95% of the people that faced federal prison time were non violent offenders that were welcomed into the Capitol building by police officers and said, come on in, come on in. That did nothing except go and say.

[Audience Member 5]

A couple prayers in the gate in any way. The people who actively broke in and were the first ones.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on. So it was such an overemphasis of using the FBI, Department of Justice statute of interference, of the delay of a certification of congressional results that you had people that were just like every day, Jones Joe's. They launched. They launched the largest manhunt in history. The FBI's number one priority on their website was not the cartels. It was not fentanyl. It was not inner city gang violence. It was, let's go find all the January 6ers that went in and did nonviolent offenses. Don't you think there's something wrong?

[Audience Member 5]

How does that have anything to do with Donald Trump pardoning all the violent offenders on January 6th?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, I can go back to that. As I said, the legal system itself deprived him of, deprived many of these people of basic, basic declaration of constitutional rights. Trump wanted a clean slate and that is why he did it.

[Audience Member 5]

So for the people who committed violent crimes, that's just perfectly fine because they did it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not justifying what they did. I'm saying I thought that Donald Trump.

[Audience Member 5]

Was a law and order.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is an indictment. Yes. In fact, he cares about law and order so much that if somebody doesn't have attorney client privilege, which was broken, if somebody does not have Fifth Amendment rights or Sixth Amendment rights, then that is an indictment of the entire Biden Department of Justice system. And he as president, has the pardon power to wipe that slate clean. I'm glad he did. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Why Refi. Check it out. Why? Refi.com call 888y refi34 log on to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com youm don't have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore. Why? Refi does not care what your credit score is when the payment on your distressed or defaulted private student loan is so big that you can't Ever get ahead in your finances? Y refi is surely your best option. Go to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Private student loans that others will not touch. Go to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com that is yre fy.com.

[Audience Member 6]

Hey, Charlie, before I ask the question, I just want to say on behalf of everyone here, thank you so much for coming out. I think we all appreciate it. I tend to be pretty economically free market oriented and so maybe you know where this is going. I have a question on the tariffs.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yep.

[Audience Member 6]

In all fairness, I don't fully know where you stand on this. I do think you're broadly in support of the tariffs, but I had a couple of questions on that. First of all, what do you think of how the Trump administration, and Trump in particular, squares the idea that a trade deficit broadly means that we're getting ripped off, or he's equated these in the past. For example, you have a trade deficit with your grocer. We have a trade deficit with maybe Madagascar. I don't really see why that means we're getting ripped off per se, because our market's just far bigger. We have a lot more people that want stuff from there. I don't see why that's an issue.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, a trade deficit is also a capital account surplus. As you know, the biggest issue with trade deficits is industrial policy. If you can't make your own drones, if you can't make your own pharmaceuticals, if you can't make your own vitamin C, then you're not a nation. You're basically a colony. You're a de facto consumer state. What President Trump is attempting to do with tariffs is a fundamental contention that if you can't make and design your own physical products, your own hardware, then you fail to be a country. In the 21st century especially, we are reliant on our number one enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, to make all those products ourselves. So what I think you're going to start to see, you're going to see deals struck with Japan, South Korea. You're going to start to see them marching in. The market was up today, it was down today. It's all over the place. I think all of a sudden you're going to see China be the last one where you're going to see tariff relief at a lot of our allies, as it should happen, you know, and by the way, just so we are Clear. There's no reason why Europe should not buy more of our lng. There's no reason why Japan should not buy more of our energy. There's so much like, for example, Australia. We have not imported any. I know the vegan's not going to like this. We haven't imported any of our beef to Australia over the last 20 years. They have a huge tariff there. It's a $27 billion beef industry. We should be able to sell our products there as well. And so. Yeah, you can counter there.

[Audience Member 6]

Yeah. On the national security front, I broadly agree. But then I have a couple of questions. First of all, do you think that, so tariffing China. I completely understand. What do you think of the idea that you tariff China and you tariff all these other nations? That's going to push them to be more, to establish more like stronger ties with China. And so it, that is a risk.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is a good point. It is a risk. I don't, I hope it doesn't happen. I don't think it's happened. Japan, for example, right now is doing the opposite. Yeah. Japan and South Korea are on planes right now landing in D.C. in the next couple hours, coming, saying, please America, let's get this done. Let's drop the tariffs. We want to work together and that should be the resolution.

[Audience Member 6]

Right. And so, so I guess just one more point. If it's to do with national security strictly, then why did we have an exemption on the tariffs for the Russia, Taiwan, the semiconductors? That's because I feel like that would be the number one, one of the number one national security interests. But I guess that you might say that we need, it's like it's an interest in protecting.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, it's huge. Yeah. I mean we by no means should try to impoverish Taiwan if we want to try to stick it to the Chinese. But I do want to push back one other thing and we'll get to the next question. It's not strictly national security. There is a point where you, when you are the incumbent economic power and you are in a trade deficit, you have an opportunity to force the other actors to redomicile some of their manufacturing back domestically. And that would be a good thing for this country.

[Audience Member 6]

Can I have one, one last question on South Korea, for example, where they're coming and they're striking. We already had like a free trade agreement in South Korea. So what would be the purpose of us imposing these huge tariffs on South Korea and then negotiating.

[Charlie Kirk]

We really don't already at zero. There's a Lot of products we cannot sell in South Korea. So there have been carve outs and exemptions. So part of it is a forcing. So you could use tariffs for three reasons. You can use it for national security, you can use it for industry protection. And Trump has created a third category. You can use it for negotiation, you can bring people to the table, you can reevaluate, you can get back down to brass tacks. And I think we should consider permanent tariffs on certain industries that can last a long time, especially around drones, steel, critical manufacturing tanks, things that China should not be making for us. There's. There's no argument whatsoever as to why, if China just kind of cuts the cord, why we should be dependent on them. Very smart question. I think the goal should be this. The goal should be balanced trade with our allies and the fact that the Chinese stock market is collapsing. Honestly, it's well past time that we show that we are the dominant player in the world and the Chinese Communist Party is the greatest enemy of the United States. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. Disagreement. Yeah, sure.

[Audience Member 7]

Hi, my name is Samantha. I just want to say, like, excuse me for like looking at my phone for notes.

[Charlie Kirk]

No worries.

[Audience Member 7]

Whatever. I want to talk about, like, have a good discussion about abortion.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going to keep it shorter, if that's okay, because we did half an hour with that other guy.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm currently agnostic. Like, normatively, I'm leaning towards pro choice and the virtue of the fact that I take it that pro life views ultimately fail and accounting for like relative relevant data being like the facts of the conversation, like biological, philosophical and identity information. And I'm not convinced that identity is reductible down to the physical properties or the organism. I think we are. Our mind.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are we just a mind?

[Audience Member 7]

What do you mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

You tell me. You're making the contention.

[Audience Member 7]

I think our identity is down to our mind. Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just consciousness or the mind. You had to explain what you mean.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah. The mind is just going to be like sentience.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so what's your contention?

[Audience Member 7]

I think they fail because, like, I don't think that the being like one is at conception is the same being that they are now. And I don't mean that like descriptively. I take it that you are like your mind and before a certain week in gestation, there is no mind or sentience. Right. And thus no person, just physical properties. And that would eventually be informed by that said mind.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, yeah. I'm not totally following what you're saying because you're Using the word mind, which is not usually a word.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, I just said that like, mind is like sentient, like having a human consciousness.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, so what, what is your contention then? That you're not persuaded by.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, I'm not persuaded. Pro life views that are reductible down to our, our organism.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Yeah. So an 85 year old in an old person's home that has Alzheimer's, are they less of a human than you?

[Audience Member 7]

I didn't say that they were less of a human being. Alzheimer's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Answer the question. Because they have.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, so. So people with Alzheimer's still have the capacity for subjective experience. I wouldn't say they can't remember.

[Charlie Kirk]

They can't remember anything.

[Audience Member 7]

Memories and isn't sentience?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's a part of sentience, isn't it?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, it's not going to be the. I'm not going to say that the full capacity for sentience is going to be like what grants them that, like, moral consideration. I'm telling you that any level of sentience, which is why I hold a cautionary principle, but like at any level of sentience is going to grant them moral consideration.

[Charlie Kirk]

When does human development begin?

[Audience Member 7]

What do you mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

Human life, human development.

[Audience Member 7]

It's going to be at conception.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's human life.

[Audience Member 3]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 7]

Human life begins at conception. I'm not contending that.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, Got it. So then shouldn't our laws then protect the first possible moment of human development?

[Audience Member 7]

Why should they?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, because it's a human life.

[Audience Member 7]

The question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, it's actually not.

[Audience Member 7]

No, you're just telling me what the human is. So you're not telling me like, why they should deserve race.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, like, oh, so like why murder is bad. Like, do we need to do that?

[Audience Member 7]

You're gonna have to explain as to why, like abortion is gonna be the unjustified, unaliving. You're just, you're just telling me that it's in. Because murder is inherently unjustified. You're just telling me that it's inherently unjustified. You're gonna need to tell me why it's unjustified.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I personally, I think murder is wrong is pretty intuitive, right?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, it's intuitive, but you're going to need to tell me why abortion fits within that unjust category.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Because you're your own unique deoxyribonucleic acid at the time of conception.

[Audience Member 7]

DNA.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, DNA. Thank you. Yes. When you attach to the uterine wall and the moment, at that time your life began when your DNA was formed Absent intervention, you then form into a fully developed adult and you do not have a right to interrupt the development of another human being. You do not have a right to interrupt a six month old or a six year old from growing or flourishing. You do not have a right to be able to do that. That is a basic, self evident moral principle that just because you are larger or just because you're older, you're able to interrupt another human being from growing.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, I didn't say any of that, but sure. So do you think that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I don't really know what you did say, actually.

[Audience Member 7]

That's okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what, what did you say?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, so I said that we're reducible to our. Reducible to our mind. Our mind is what makes our identity. And I said my contention was that we are not reducible to this like, organism.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, yeah. Again, so we have clarity but not agreement. We believe you're more than just consciousness. We believe a human being is in essence valuable because it is a human being. This deduces back.

[Audience Member 7]

What do you mean by being?

[Charlie Kirk]

What do I mean by a human being? Yeah, a Homo sapien.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay, sure. I was asking simply because some people denounce being to be personhood. That's all I'm asking. Okay, but sure. So are you, are you familiar with a partial molar pregnancy?

[Charlie Kirk]

A partial molar pregnancy?

[Audience Member 7]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not, not.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay, a partial molar pregnancy is where one egg drops and two sperm go in and it's going to basically create this like, ball of fat, but it's still going to be human alive and obviously of the human species. Should the mother be obligated to carry that partial molar pregnancy?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know enough about that. Okay, so I can get back to you on that one.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay, sure. Do you think, what do you like, value, do you value it being like a human being?

[Charlie Kirk]

Just being a human being?

[Audience Member 7]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Human beings inherently are valuable.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah. Why are they inherently valuable?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you want my religious definition or do you want my biological one?

[Audience Member 7]

Either one's fine.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well, I believe every human being is made in the image of God and therefore it's uniquely designed and crafted and created. And since every human being is made in the image of God, we do not have the authority morally to destroy another being that bears the image of the Creator.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay, sure, yeah. So the idea, I believe that God grounds this intrinsic value in, in a fetus, I don't think satisfies that human.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yep.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, I'm using them colloquially. I'm not using them to dehumanize I'll use child, baby, whatever. Because intrinsic value is also expected under like the atheistic, like hypothesis. So I don't know what kind of argument you're making here because unfortunately God itself is just not going to ground that a fetus is inherently valuable.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, you asked for my scriptural analysis.

[Audience Member 7]

But okay, let's just take tension with. Is grounded under atheism too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. So therefore, okay, if you would agree that your life is valuable. My life is valuable.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, I believe we're valuable because of our sentience. Yeah, sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Yeah, so we disagree. So, but if a being is going to get sentience in a couple of weeks, shouldn't you allow that being to continue to develop after it's born? No, no, no. In utero.

[Audience Member 7]

In utero. No, I don't find it to be morally considerable before sentience.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, got it. So you can eliminate anything even though it's growing towards sentience.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, sorry. So are you making like a potential argument?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, making a rather rational one. Just so we are clear. Just, you know, when a baby is born, your mental faculties of a baby are not completely sentient. Like for example, when a baby is five days old, they're only awake like two hours a day. They can't speak, they cannot really reason. And sentience is like, it's like barely there for a one week old or a two week old. In fact, a brain is not fully developed until a boy is 30 years old. So what I'm saying is that a growth, the growth of the human being continues all throughout this process. Allow, if you allow that process to go uninterrupted. The abortionist argument is that we are going to interfere with that development because of some convenient. It's too hard to raise the human being.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay.

[Audience Member 3]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 7]

So yeah, so I, I think you're like making this like it has the potential to actualize sentience. Sure. But also like if it's going to gain sentience in three weeks, I just said no, it's not going to be morally considerable to, you know, not be unalived or killed. Sorry. But yeah, so I kind of forgot one point that you made. What was it?

[Charlie Kirk]

So just so we are clear, like humans are bodies and minds.

[Audience Member 7]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we are more than just.

[Audience Member 7]

I remember the point that you made about the bab. Yeah. So we gain sentience in the womb. Are you aware of that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Around eight week, nine to ten weeks.

[Audience Member 7]

Brainwaves are detected for nine to ten weeks.

[Charlie Kirk]

Brainwaves?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. You got to like, you're a little snarky you got to like, calm it down. Okay.

[Audience Member 7]

Okay, cool.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So around. Around nine to 10 weeks, brainwaves are detected. A baby can respond to a mother's voice. Around 27 weeks. Around 20 weeks. We have some understanding that a baby's cognitive ability is being formed. These are approximations.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah. What is the argument that brainwaves are sentience?

[Charlie Kirk]

What is the. We actually don't know. We're inferring it.

[Audience Member 3]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 7]

So sentience is going to be the subjective experience where you can have interest, desires and motivations. And I find it that interesting.

[Charlie Kirk]

How do you, how do you know a newborn has interests, desires, and motivations?

[Audience Member 3]

Yeah.

[Audience Member 7]

So I find it that they have the subjective experience. And I said it can include things like interests, desires, which is going to include people like you or me. And we have interest, desires and motivations. Yeah. So I also find it that they're going to have a subjective human experience at, At, I'd say within the second trimester. I don't hold 20 to 24 weeks or after that. I, I hold a 12 week cautionary stance because we.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's just do this. Let's just. Let's do this all the way. You want to go all the way on this? Let's do it. What proof do you have that anyone is sentient?

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah. So we have proof that they're sentient on the basis of their thalamocorticoid.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's actually a faith claim.

[Audience Member 7]

And their conjunctions with their cerebrum.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a faith claim.

[Audience Member 7]

Are you gonna make an argument for that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Definitionally, you don't know that anybody else's sentient except yourself.

[Audience Member 7]

How?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because you cannot prove consciousness. We don't know where consciousness exists in the brain.

[Audience Member 7]

In fact, how don't we know?

[Charlie Kirk]

We can't. We don't know where it is. You can't see somebody else.

[Audience Member 7]

Are you gonna expand on why we don't know yet?

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, I'm getting there. Like, do they teach you to talk like this at University of Illinois? Like you're paying for this? Like, like, geez, again, I want to get to the other questions, but like, yes. This is called the consciousness paradox. You do not know if anybody else actually has consciousness except yourself. Everybody else could be an illusion, it could be a mirage, it could be a projection of artificial intelligence. Sentience is by definition a faith claim. We can guess it, we can infer it, you cannot measure it, and you cannot see it.

[Audience Member 7]

Yeah, sure. I'm gonna make the claim on the basis of like, it. I didn't agree. I was just saying. Okay, sure. But anyways. So I'm gonna make the claim on the basis of empirical data that we have thalamocortical connections that work in conjunction with our cerebrum that is going to allow us to have thoughts, desires and motivations and have the human subjective experience which those. The mind. Sentience is what makes us able to have complex intelligence and higher rationale as humans.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right again. So all of that, you could detect the effects of consciousness. You cannot actually see consciousness itself.

[Audience Member 7]

Does seeing consciousness matter? We see it in their, like, neurological structures and mechanisms.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, you see the effects of it. We can keep on going in circles. I, of course, I believe sentience exists. You cannot measure it. You cannot see it because you cannot. You have. There is no. There is no objective proof that somebody else's sentient except yourself. You can just look at the effects of it, but that's fine. Again, we just disagree. We as pro lifers believe that in the essence of a human being is your value and your worth. If a human being is at one week or 10 weeks or 12 weeks, the process of development starts at conception and goes all the way through higher faculties. Higher rationality is an added bonus alongside the growth curve of what it means to be a human being. And you do not become more human because your IQ is higher or less human, or if you have down syndrome, the spectrum does not work that way. You're equally human all the way through. Thank you very much. I got to get to the next question.

[Audience Member 3]

Are you going to hold it? Okay. Hi, Charlie. They just pulled me from outside, so I wasn't even prepared, but here I am. So my question's on immigration. Considering the US has caused instability in a whole host of countries around the world that leads to violent conditions that people have to leave and then they therefore come to the U.S. do you support. Okay. Do you support creating faster paths to citizenship and also keeping families together that here are in the United States?

[Charlie Kirk]

Number one? No. Number two. Yes. Keep families together by sending the whole family back to their country Board.

[Audience Member 3]

So. So if I understand you correctly, you don't believe in a faster path to citizenship?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, goodness gracious, no.

[Audience Member 3]

Why is that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, first of all, we have way too many people coming to this country right now. Way too many people.

[Audience Member 3]

Okay, so considering the United States has always been a country of influx and not outflux.

[Charlie Kirk]

Interesting. Let's. Let's pause on that. So would you say we're a nation of immigrants?

[Audience Member 3]

Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think we're a nation of settlers.

[Audience Member 7]

Sure.

[Audience Member 3]

I mean, we did start on colonization. Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. But what's the difference between settling and immigrating?

[Audience Member 3]

I think. Well, the difference is if you're displacing the people that you originally. That originally, you know, take that land. If you're using force to displace the people that you are now taking the land from.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, look, 99% of settlers that went west were not displacing anything. They were going to barren, unlivable land like Oklahoma.

[Audience Member 3]

That's not true. They displaced thousands of natives. That's not true.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, some people did, but it's an insult to the millions of pioneers that went west saying that they were all violent. Many of these people were courageous, incredibly.

[Audience Member 3]

Brave people because the United States government killed people for them so that they can then take the land again.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't want to divert away from the point of settlers or immigrants, but as a timeout, acting as if the Native Americans who have been treated poorly as a side note are nothing but peace loving people. They were a highly violent, incredibly tribal warfare people before the white man came to North America. They were not living in harmony. They were not just like all singing John Lennon songs walking through the hills. I know, but this idea that it was just a conflict of conquest or the white man always displacing them is a little bit of a misreading of history. Secondly, but I think this is important. We are not a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of settlers that went to a barren land and built something new. Immigrants have helped enrich the United States of America over 100 years. But immigration is always a question of whether or not it benefits the home country. If immigration ever gets to a place where you are not being benefited, where your schools are being overrun or your wages aren't keeping up with inflation, or crime is going up, then you could turn down immigration and prioritize on the native born families.

[Audience Member 3]

You don't think that immigration is currently benefiting the US is what you're saying?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, not at all. Actually, I think that the 14 million people that Joe Biden led across the southern border has caused mass destabilization. In fact, in downtown Chicago there were black neighborhoods that were protesting against their schools being used as migrant shelters because Joe Biden was sending these people in almost every major city across the country. Look, go ahead.

[Audience Member 3]

I think that the anti immigration rhetoric you have is not new. I think that you try to paint a picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing. But there's been rhetoric from, you know, Your side from for a long time throughout the entirety of history. I mean, if we look at the immigration policies in the US Even though Chinese immigrants built the entire western railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion act because they were providing insane value to the United States. But we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes. And so this is not, this is not a novel idea that, you know, immigrants are bad for the country. So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, first of all, immigration has gone in great influxes. We basically turned off all immigration in the 1940s and 50s. We had like net zero immigration for almost 15 years. Most people don't even know that. So we had Ellis island in the early 1900s and then we turned on the guzzle of immigration. But let's be honest, for 40 years we have tried this mass immigration project. For the last 40 years, has it worked? Are we, are we a more connected country? Have middle class wages kept up? Look at the material data. Has immigration enriched the well being of the United States of America, especially the last five or six years? I would say of course not. Actually we're more divided, we're more factious, and we see this in almost every European country as well. When you import a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that are from the third world, all of a sudden you have mass destabilization happening in your country. It's not a matter of being xenophobic. Instead it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens. Not about hating the foreigner. It's about loving the citizen. And your obligation is always to citizens first, not foreigners.

[Audience Member 3]

Okay, so you don't think that the MAGA movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't even know how to answer that. I mean, like, why not? Well, because you have to first define what you mean by xenophobic attitudes.

[Audience Member 3]

I mean, just like you said, you said, I mean we're living in a divided world. You don't think that comes from people being anti immigration?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I think it's the opposite. I think when you allow a bunch of people that aren't native born Americans too quickly, with no checks, no background, no idea who they are, and flood them into your towns. Definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties.

[Audience Member 3]

If you don't use it, if you don't use it, I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. No, explain this to me. This is a good question. Yeah. What country has ever grown stronger the more divided it's been?

[Audience Member 3]

None. But I'm not saying that's the point, to get more divided.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no. But, but diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity unit unifies you. You notice they never say unity is our strength. They say diversity is our strength. In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English. There's nothing racist to say that it actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor. There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech. So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America. Because a country is again, just like undoubtedly it is the people that inhabit it. So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.

[Audience Member 3]

Sure. And, but I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture is like not happening. I think you're fear mongering. And also I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture. I don't really know like where you can point to a time in the US history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and 1960s, we had very little immigration in this country nearly 40 years. In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s, is we felt we had.

[Audience Member 3]

The bracero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from the United, from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural and that's how we fed the United States.

[Charlie Kirk]

So again, that was, it was very limited in scope versus what we see today. But again, I will ask a more moral question. Does a politician have first loyalty to its own citizens or to another country's citizens?

[Audience Member 3]

Absolutely. I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability in the rest of the world. I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the president, prime minister of South Africa, you know, my.

[Charlie Kirk]

My, an incredibly anti white country, like, oh my goodness, okay, anyway. Dangerously anti white.

[Audience Member 3]

Okay, anyway.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you know about that by the way? You should.

[Audience Member 3]

Apartheid?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Oh no, no, no, no, no. It's like they're killing white people in the streets in South Africa. They're stealing farmland. I mean, do you. If you don't know about that, that shows how the media is lying to all of you. It is literally a mini white genocide happening in South Africa right now.

[Audience Member 3]

But I don't think that we should.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's fine. You brought up South Africa, not me.

[Audience Member 3]

But, yes, that was just an example. Anyway, let's stay on topic. So let's say I'm the Prime Minister for a country. I do agree with you that my first job is that country. For sure. That's who I'm leading. But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Audience Member 3]

Why not?

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, hold on. Well, why not define your terms. Where have we created mass stability? I'll grant you Iraq. That was a disaster. Where else?

[Audience Member 3]

In all of Latin America, in different countries, in Africa, places like the Philippines, that we colonize Puerto Rico. Have you not heard of the US's intervention and tons of different elections?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, of course. I'm always so interested in this, as if. It's like, you can never blame those countries for not having their act together. It's somehow America's fault. Like, oh, it's America's fault that Nicaragua can't get its act together. It's America's fault. Even though we welcome Puerto rico to become U.S. citizens, like, we've colonized them. So here's the paradox.

[Audience Member 3]

You don't think that Puerto Rico was colonized?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, no. I'm saying no. So if we don't help Puerto Rico, we're evil. When they become a territory, we colonize them and we haven't done enough. It's like, which one is it exactly?

[Audience Member 3]

The Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years, where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States. And it's not really about statehood or independence. It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves. And anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's fine. But more broadly, and I'll get to the final couple final questions here. I can sense that your problem is that, like, America's super successful and these other countries aren't. And foundationally, it's rooted in envy, bitterness, and resentment because we are the world's superpower. It's not because we've Held anybody back. It's because we've had incredible people, really good ideas.

[Audience Member 3]

Do you think the US has intervened in a negative way in other countries?

[Charlie Kirk]

At times? Yes, at times we've intervened very favorably. Can you at least acknowledge at times.

[Audience Member 3]

That, sure, there has been aid, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

There'S also been t. Well, no, no, not just aid. South Korea exists because of American involvement. Kuwait exists because of American involvement.

[Audience Member 3]

It's not.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not so.

[Audience Member 3]

But, but, but to, to. To look at American accountability, you have to look at the whole of that accountability. And, and to say that certain countries are less developed purely on their own fault is to ignore history.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can. So that. That's where we disagree. Countries have to take responsibility for their own future, which, again, this is one of the reasons why so many people hate Israel. Every other country around there is like a third world country, and Israel is super successful and super agenic, and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. You got to wonder, what is it that they're doing? Oh, it's the Jews because they're stealing all this money. No, actually they, like, work super hard and they don't believe in Islam and they. And like. Wow, you mean that like every other Islamic country around you is like a third world hellhole and the one place that.

[Audience Member 3]

Have you ever been to those countries?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, actually, I have been to Israel and I've been to the Palestinian Authority. I've been to that. I've been to the West Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if I hadn't, that doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong. Just for the record, by the way, I encourage you to try to go to Lebanon or Syria. Not exactly the Four Seasons. Right.

[Audience Member 3]

So not great that US Intervention has anything to do with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Partially. But again, to blame the evil US intervention for every single problem is, at its core, intellectually sloppy.

[Audience Member 3]

I don't think so. Because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world. It has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries, so to say. I mean, you. I know you believe it.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I want to try to square this all together. I got to get another question. Just make sure I'm clear. So you're mad at America for getting involved in other people's countries. Right. So America's bad for that. But then you want everyone to come to America. I thought America's bad.

[Audience Member 3]

I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable. You can't meddle so we're held accountable.

[Charlie Kirk]

By inviting the entire world here.

[Audience Member 3]

If, if you are going to mess up that country, you have to do something about it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, do something, Invite them here.

[Audience Member 3]

Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, then that, that, that at its core, I'm glad you articulated it is neoconservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world, which is that you don't support the invasion part of it. But somehow we have to invite the world as some sort of like mass penance.

[Audience Member 3]

So, but that's like you invade and.

[Charlie Kirk]

Then say, well no, I don't, I don't support the invasions. I'm just, I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America when in reality it's, it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together. A great example is this, and I'll close with this. El Salvador is because. Is actually safer than America. That has billions of dollars flowing into El Salvador. Why? Because they elected Bukele who decided to go after Ms. 13 and clean up the streets of El Salvador. Which again, it wasn't. It was because they decided to do good things with massive action. Countries can be wealthy, Singapore is wealthy. You could be a very wealthy country if you embrace western market ideas, private property with low crime. And it's not always.

[Audience Member 3]

I mean in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare. And now if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's just like this is where we're different. And then I'll close, then we have to get going. I look at America as a force for good. You look at everything wrong and you say it must be America.

[Audience Member 3]

No sir, I'm looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, again, I mean, maybe we disagree.

[Audience Member 3]

I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

I guess I think we're a wonderful country and I think of a country as poor. They're poor by choice and they have to be able to get their act together, make better decisions and stop acting like victims all the time. Thank you very much. The battle between good and evil seems to be escalating. It is easy to blame politicians, government or poor leadership. But behind all of that is a spiritual battle. Pastor Alan Jackson's new book, Angels Demons. And you'd talk about the reality of this battle and the spiritual realm that exists around us. It has a real impact on us every day. As you read, you will discover that angels and demons are not imaginary. They actually exist. You can find them playing a variety of roles throughout the Bible, and they're still influencing the world today. We don't need to be afraid, but we do need to be aware and prepared. Angels, Demons and you provides valuable insight, practical tools, and biblical truth to help you recognize the spiritual battle around us and become a difference maker in our generation. Get your copy [e-mail] Angels hear from people whose faith directly impacts our culture. On Pastor Allen's Culture and Christianity podcast. Find it wherever you get your podcasts. Yep.

[Audience Member 8]

The mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country, morally, economically, and for how they allow for the erosion of our civilization liberties. How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies despite his lies, disinformation, and inherent contradictions with his other actions? I can provide several examples if you would like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. What should the punishment be for when someone breaks into your country?

[Audience Member 8]

I think it's a civil violation.

[Charlie Kirk]

What should the punishment be?

[Audience Member 8]

I think that you probably should find them, and I think you should know where they are. But I don't think you should put them in trouble, jail, or necessarily deport them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, very basic custom and principle is if you come into a country unwanted, unwarranted, uninvited, you return back to your country of origin. Very simple, very morally clear. When you. When you cut in line and break into the United States, you do not get to stay here.

[Audience Member 8]

But not all of the people that you're calling illegal immigrants did that. Some were granted TPS by Joe Biden.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some were granted, which they shouldn't have, of course. Temporary protective status by Donald Trump.

[Audience Member 8]

Trump should not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Should not have happened. The law says you go back. Just so we are clear, when you go into 18 USC 1312, it says as a punishment of renumeration, return back to your country of origin. So you might not like the law. The law itself says return back to your country of origin.

[Audience Member 8]

If you're looking at the law, does it say, for Mahmoud Camille, he was Khalil.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, that's timeout. That's a whole different category. So can we now agree mass deportations are good because that's how you started. No, no, no. Then. So tell me why they're wrong?

[Audience Member 8]

I think they're wrong.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, of course.

[Audience Member 8]

No, I don't agree with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey.

[Audience Member 8]

You said no heckling. It says no heckling.

[Charlie Kirk]

He just did a Nazi salute. Yeah. Do you want to come up here and talk. Come on up, tough guy. Come on. You want to come up here, tough guy? Mister. Hey, stop. It's okay. We'll allow him to finish and then the machiso man can finish us off, so. No, no, no. Whichever. You guys can rock, paper, scissors for it. I don't care.

[Audience Member 1]

Sorry man, I was just saying that that's a Nazi America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, it's Nazi America?

[Audience Member 1]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

That means Nazi America to return people that break into your country back home.

[Audience Member 1]

No, no man, I mean, I'm just saying like, because like mass deportation really just is like like cleansing the land.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's not. It's restoring the law.

[Audience Member 1]

Yeah, man, but law is not a moral compass.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, justice.

[Audience Member 1]

Justice is greater than the country, greater than money, greater than God. Justice is the human universe.

[Charlie Kirk]

Justice is not greater than God. What are you talking about?

[Audience Member 1]

Yes it is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, you're tripping, bro. Hold on, let me ask you a question. If someone breaks into your country, what should the punishment be?

[Audience Member 1]

I was going to give you a different question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I just answered it. It's very. You said we're Nazi America. So tell me, if someone breaks into the United States, what should the punishment be?

[Audience Member 1]

I wouldn't say it's breaking in most of the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it is.

[Audience Member 1]

I would say, I would say like, I mean, dude, because like if other countries are economically bad and they're coming here like they want to come here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Doesn'T matter if someone goes and robs a 7 11. They don't. You don't get like a lesser penalty if you're broke. What is wrong is wrong regardless of your socio economic status.

[Audience Member 1]

I get you man, I get you. But like law is not a universal like thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, they are. No, that's not correct. We believe as Christians and in the west and an axiological truth which that every human being has written on their heart some form of right or wrong. It is inherently wrong to steal their people's stuff. It's inherently wrong to walk into people's homes uninvited. It's inherently wrong to go after somebody and harass them or whatever. So it's in a universal law that you don't get to go places where you aren't invited. You agree, like to show up to a wedding uninvited, that's a wedding crasher. To show up into a home that you weren't invited, that's a squatter. We have terms in our own moral compass where that is not okay. How is it any different when someone shows up into your country uninvited unwarranted. How is that morally permissible, my boy?

[Audience Member 1]

I really wanted to ask you a different question, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well, sorry.

[Audience Member 1]

I would not, I would not. It's okay. I want to, I want to ask you. Do you think we. It's okay for us to proclaim ourselves land of the free with the world's highest prison population?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, we don't have enough prisoners, huh? Yeah, we don't have enough prisoners. So.

[Audience Member 1]

So we're not land of the free?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no. In fact, we remain free because we people remain in prison. Do you know that? Half. No, you can laugh.

[Audience Member 1]

You're tripping, bro.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no. You know, half of all murders in Chicago go solve. I'm sorry, Half of all murders in Chicago go solved. Half of people that kill other people in Chicago walk free, should they be in prison?

[Audience Member 1]

What about the dirt pigs that kill people?

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, hold on. You mean police officers?

[Audience Member 1]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. First of all, let's give it up for our wonderful police here tonight. Let's give it up for them. Hold on. I mean, how, how many, how many people die from unarmed police incidents every year? How many unarmed people are killed by the police every year?

[Audience Member 1]

I mean, dude, we're like. Yes, we're, we're up there, bro. Like, we're, we're like the, like, ranked number seven in the world.

[Charlie Kirk]

About 15 people a year that are unarmed killed by the police.

[Audience Member 1]

We're ranked 7 in the world. Killings by cop. We're the only industrialized nation in that list, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know how violent we are. Do you know who's doing the killing?

[Audience Member 1]

I'm saying death by.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not police. No, no, no, no, no, no. It is not police. Now, there's two types of police killings. There's justified and unjustified. Unarmed people killed by the police, it's 10 to 15 a year. But if a police officer sees somebody showing up with a gun, they better pull out a gun and defend themselves. That's a justified police killing.

[Audience Member 1]

Can I say something to you as a.

[Audience Member 8]

How.

[Audience Member 1]

How are we. Like, how do we proclaim to be like, second amendment conservatives?

[Charlie Kirk]

Don't.

[Audience Member 1]

Don't laugh at me, bro. So how do we, how do we proclaim to be like that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Dude, I'm sorry, what?

[Audience Member 1]

How do we proclaim to be like conservatives, Second amendment, gun, gun loving people? But, like, we give, like, how do I say it? I mean, I, I completely disagree that police and military should not be the only ones with guns. Would you agree with that?

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm sorry, what do you no. Citizens should be able to own guns.

[Audience Member 1]

Citizens should be allowed.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Yeah.

[Audience Member 1]

So, okay, so like why would I, why would I have to call the cops if I got my own gun? You know what I mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't have to. What's the point?

[Audience Member 1]

For sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you, but you called the cops pigs. When cops in most cases are not actually responding to violent crime. They're responding to domestic abuse incidents, they're responding to carjackings, they're respond, you know, responding to businesses being broken into. Cops have like the hardest job in America right now and they're treated like trash. And they're called pigs by people like you. And let's just be honest, even though you call cops pigs, if you got attacked around this campus, you would call the cops very quickly to go save you.

[Audience Member 1]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yes you would.

[Audience Member 1]

I, I invite anybody to attack me. I invite anybody into it. Anybody could get it.

[Charlie Kirk]

And by the way, these hands are.

[Audience Member 1]

Ready e for everyone.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the cops, and the cops would help him.

[Audience Member 1]

No, they would not help me. Probably not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. But just so we are clear, you asked the question. You know the prison population. Do you know that the average rapist only serves four years in prison in this country? That the average person that has second degree murder only serves about 15 years in this country? There are not enough people in jail. We need more and more people to be incarcerated. Violent crime is under incarcerated in this country.

[Audience Member 1]

What about rehabilitation?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that. Can you rehabilitate a murderer?

[Audience Member 1]

I mean, a lot of you veterans come back, you know what I'm saying? Like, can you rehabilitate them to come. Whoa.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you, so you, you think that.

[Audience Member 1]

So you think it's okay, it's okay to kill, it's okay, it's okay to kill people outside the country and then.

[Charlie Kirk]

Come back in like a theater of war, in an act of self defense is a, is a morally different universe than going and just plowing and gang banging in the south side of Chicago.

[Audience Member 1]

We were just saying that we wouldn't like. You wouldn't allow draft? Would you be okay with the draft?

[Charlie Kirk]

With what?

[Audience Member 1]

Would you be okay with the draft nowadays?

[Charlie Kirk]

Not, not in today's America, but it was fine during World War II. But I just, it's. I'm not, I'm not even sure, I'm not even sure where to start or where to end on this, but you're a very morally confused person.

[Audience Member 1]

I want to ask you something else.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then, then I got to get to the guy I cut off.

[Audience Member 1]

I'm really sorry to interrupt everything you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Know, because you don't like people that cut in line. Which is why we should deport people that cut in line in our country. Because cutting in line is wrong.

[Audience Member 1]

Can I please get one more, Charlie?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because line cutting goes against something we all know in our own being. Huh? He didn't wait his turn. He started to scream like a spoiled brat saying, nazi America. And he wanted attention. And there should not. That should not be rewarded. And shame on me for rewarding it. But our immigration policy should be, hey, you don't get to cut in line. You got to wait your turn.

[Audience Member 1]

I have to ask you something else. Do you for so much, so much for free speech?

[Charlie Kirk]

Let me.

[Audience Member 1]

Let me ask one more question, please, guys. All right, dude.

[Charlie Kirk]

Guys, slide them.

[Audience Member 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Final point, final point.

[Audience Member 1]

Free speech. Like whether you like it or not.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Audience Member 1]

Anyways, can I, Can I ask you something, though? So, dude, if we were to consolidate all the police budget in the country, it would make like the second greatest military. Are you okay with that? Like, are we.

[Charlie Kirk]

We need more police. When. When we have police on the streets, crime goes down. There is a police enrollment issue in Chicago Police Department. There are ungoverned areas. There are ungoverned areas in the city of Chicago where police are not even go. And there are poor girls that are gunned down by crossfire gun traffic and fire. We are about to enter the bloodiest summer in Chicago's history. And the police are not to blame. The police. You know what? The police operate as they come and just get. Bring body bags and they don't even intervene. In fact, Brandon Johnson, who will go down as one of the worst politicians in American history and the worst mayor in Chicago's history, that good for nothing petulant Marxist, he removed shot detectors from the streets of Chicago that would have increased police response time to by nearly 10 minutes. Because he said they were racist. I mean, police save lives every single day.

[Audience Member 1]

It's just if they, if they are, you know, they are ranked second in the world with this. If the police budget is number two in the world to be the greatest military, I would think they're like the internal occupying army in the, in the U.S. it's not just people of color, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's.

[Audience Member 1]

It's. It's going to get to you guys too, man. Like, for real.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it actually won't because we followed the law. Do you follow the law? Actually, you seem so worried about the police. Like, what are you involved in?

[Audience Member 1]

Law is not. Law is not the moral compass. Like, I would smoke weed before it was legal. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Again, so we. We massively expanded police in the 1990s. America had less crime. And then as we increased, more and more police. Even black America flourished after 2015. The Ferguson lie. We retreated police. 2020, we retreated police even further. And crime has gone up in black neighborhoods in particular, and it is a tragedy. More police equals less crime for all colors. Police are heroes for putting their lives on the line for all of us. And it is our crazy.

[Audience Member 1]

I think there's some horrible trade offs. There's some horrible trade offs.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you. Next question. Thank you very much. I will not be bailing you out. Sometime soon. Yes. Final question. Yeah. Do you want to get back to the guy? Okay, I'll reiterate the question. I'm sorry. All right.

[Audience Member 8]

The mass deportations are extremely dangerous to our country morally, economically, and how they allow for the erosion of our civil liberties. How can you support the mass deportations and Trump's broader immigration policies despite his lies, disinformation, inherent contradictions with his other actions?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, again, I've kind of been through this. You come into the country illegally, you should be returned back to your country of origin. That's how I can support it.

[Audience Member 8]

I think that it should matter, the context for why the person is coming. For example, we have asylum seekers and the processes. They're supposed to go into the country and then claim asylum. That is international law. And if you are being threatened in your home country, you should claim asylum for your life and the life of your family. Okay, so we should not necessarily inherently turn those people.

[Charlie Kirk]

First of all, our asylum process is a total sham. But let's take that moral standard that you have set. And this is.

[Audience Member 8]

That's an opinion you're going to state.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, it's not. It's not a.

[Audience Member 8]

That's an opinion.

[Charlie Kirk]

The left has damaged it where it is. You get in six years, you get a court date, you get like a piece of paper to notice, and you get put into the interior of the country, and we never hear from you again. It's five or six scripts that people are taught to recite. You save these five or six words, you say, poof, the magic words, and you're released into the interior United States. You get a phone, you get benefits, and we never hear from you again. But let's just take that moral standard and we'll close with this, because I think it's a great defining distinction of conservatives and people that I don't want to say are on the left. But wherever you might be, you say we should take into account when people come into this country illegally. Yes. Correct. That was. Yeah. Okay. If somebody were to rob a grocery store or a convenience store, do we take into account their life story when they commit a crime?

[Audience Member 8]

I mean, we take into account their age and other factors around it. Yeah, we do.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we, so so basically if somebody is super poor and can't feed their family.

[Audience Member 8]

No, we do do that though. If someone has practice, good behavior. That's why we have character references.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on.

[Audience Member 8]

Criminal justice. No, that's what, that's what you said. We're taking their life into account.

[Charlie Kirk]

Should, Is it justifiable to commit a crime based on the suffering you might be having? I'm poor, I can go rob a convenience store.

[Audience Member 8]

I mean, that's your own moral judgment. It depends. I think that if you would.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow.

[Audience Member 8]

No, no, no, no, Listen, listen to me. I think that if you were going to die, if you do not steal a loaf of bread, it's okay to steal a loaf of bread. I think that if you were going to break into another country because someone has a gun to your head or they're going to kill your family, it's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ok. And that's actually the opposite is happening on the southern border. Instead, it's people paying the cartel to come into the United States of America, not the other way around. But again, we do not look at things through a moral prism of victim and victor, like, oh, these are a bunch of victims. We look at things through right and wrong, moral and immoral and just and unjust. And it is unjust to show up to a country uninvited and plead, you know, third world poverty and say here are the five magic words and poof. You come into the United States of America. Citizenship must be earned. It must be something that you prove over a period of time that you are invited into the country. And we as native born Americans have every right to decide who comes into the United States of America. And finally, that's why the people overwhelmingly voted for Trump, because we were sick of seeing citizenship thrown around like Frisbees to every person around the world.

[Audience Member 8]

You just monologue. Can I respond at all?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Now we're over time, then we got to wrap up. Okay.

[Audience Member 8]

Do you then think it's okay to deport the illegal immigrants without due process.

[Charlie Kirk]

When the Constitution, they get due process?

[Audience Member 8]

No, no. They do not get to process. They do not get to prove that they are citizens when they've been deported. That's why an American citizen was deported and that's why.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, he wasn't. This is a fraudulent lie. I'm trying to help you. An American citizen was not deported. You are wrong. That is a complete fabrication. That's not an American citizen.

[Audience Member 8]

I was saying both.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, hold on. He was an illegal immigrant that had pre trial detention. No, no, no. You're Mahmoud Camille or the guy in Maryland.

[Audience Member 1]

Camille.

[Audience Member 8]

There's a guy in North Carolina.

[Charlie Kirk]

The guy in North Maryland I think you're talking about was not an American citizen. We have not deported any U.S. citizens. That is not correct. Period. End of story. And so again, you can nitpick on all the elements of it, but fundamentally a nation is allowed to expel people at their own choosing. You do not have a right to just come squat in America and say, well, I'm here now, too bad, like, no, we can kick you out as quickly as we choose. You do not get the same constitutional rights as US Citizens. Yes, period. No, you do.

[Audience Member 8]

The Supreme Court.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can they vote? Look it up. Can they vote? Is that a. Can they due process? Can they. Can they own a firearm? Can they own a firearm?

[Audience Member 8]

Not every right has been.

[Charlie Kirk]

So they don't get every right.

[Audience Member 8]

Not everybody's been applied equally. But the Supreme Court. Am I correct or incorrect that the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Supreme Court depends what you mean by due process? Due process can be a 22nd thing. Show me your paper. Hold on. Not necessarily. Not just so we are clear, what you are proposing means that 14 million people would have to get trial dates over the next four years. Yes.

[Audience Member 8]

I think we should increase the amount of immigration.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no. Let's. Let's just play this out.

[Audience Member 8]

It does not need to be over the next four years.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. But just. There's 14 million people. You cannot break into this country and then demand a six month trial before you send you back. It is logistically and morally impossible. And what it is, is it's throwing sand in the gears to. It's morally impossible. What's morally impossible? Morally impossible to say to the American people that you can't kick out people of your own country because you have to wait six months for all 14.

[Audience Member 8]

Million of them to allow them their due process. That is a fundamental part of our democracy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, first of all, we're not a democracy republic. I don't want to get into this again, but again, this, this is constitutional Republic is part of it. This due process is being used as a weapon against the process of deportations. Mass deportation. You. A six month trial for every single person is an intentional tactic to slow this down. Not to mention many of these people already have had trials. They've had two trials, three trials, four trials, five trials. Many of them. Again, what you are saying is you are hiding behind the fifth Amendment because you're hiding behind each one of our constitutional rights for US Citizens. Again. No, it's for everyone. It is. It is for so really Chinese citizens get the fifth amendment right.

[Audience Member 8]

You crosses a Cuban right earlier when.

[Charlie Kirk]

Talking about the January 6ers for US citizens they were all US citizens human.

[Audience Member 8]

Right only for for Americans.

[Charlie Kirk]

That doesn't make sense. If someone magic it applies to all humans. If some is inconsistent with if somebody magically transports into the United States of America. We do not believe they get the same yes we do.

[Audience Member 8]

That's what the Constitution says.

[Charlie Kirk]

No it does not. Again affirmed again they don't believe me. Look this up. This is all this is also you can see this is also why we are going and revisiting the birthright citizenship because we don't believe birthright citizenship applies to Everybody under the 14th Amendment. But in closing it's as simple as this. Are they citizens? No, they are. They are not citizens. Then we could deport them home to their home countries at our own choosing.

[Audience Member 8]

He's lying to you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. I'm not lying. The immigration, the Immigration Naturalization act, the Alien repel, the repelling of the Alien Invasion act all of them point towards one simple thing. That we can accelerate the deportation of foreign invasions and foreign invaders. And it's funny. I've been now doing this camp. It's very funny. I've been doing this tour now for two weeks and I could tell you everybody more macro what's happening. All of a sudden people that have never said a single thing about due process the last five years or 10 years are popping up. I'm going to tell you what's going on on the left because they'll only use the Constitution if it fits their political agenda. They never use due process. When they went. Let me finish. They never used due process. When they raided Trump supporters homes, they never talked about due process. Let me finish. Instead all of a sudden when a bunch of MS.13 and Trend Aragua members are getting deported back to their country of origin. They're big defenders of the Constitution. It is an intentional ploy and weapon to stop mass deportations and we'll not fall for it. We are overtime. Thank you guys so much. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us as as always. Freedom. Charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Audience Member 7]

For more on many of these stories.

[Audience Member 2]

And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.