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Candace Owens | On Cardi B, Kanye, and Battling BLM Inc. to Liberate Black America
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Thank you for listening to this Podcast 1 production now available on Apple Podcasts, Podcast 1, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Candace Owens. That's all I have to say. We go into Cardi b Abortion, the black liberation from the Democrat Party. Her new book blackout. We go into Kanye West. We cover stuff here that you're not going to hear anywhere else. Before we get started, please consider supporting our program@charliekirk.com support charliekirk.com support if we have blessed you in any way, if we have given you ammunition or benefited you, please consider supporting us so we can do more interviews. It's Monday. We give you two episodes every single weekday. One on Saturday, one on Sunday. No podcast team produces as much content as we do. So please support us if you can@charliekirk.com support please subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are going to give away five MAGA doctrines. Just say I listened to the Candace episode and I'm subscribed. Show us you're subscribed by typing in Charlie Kirk show. Your podcast provider hit subscribe, give us a five star review, screenshot it and email us. Freedom. Charliekirk.com Candace Owens is here. Everybody buckle up. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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I want you to know we are
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lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His name, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey, everybody. Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. So thrilled and honored to be joined by the one and the only, the greatest, Candace Owens, who is an author. Go buy the book right now. Blackout. We're gonna talk about that. And I have my advance copy. And I have some questions for Candace, some very tough questions. But, Candace, first of all, congratulations. You're pregnant, you're an author, and you've broken cardi b. Amazing.
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Congratulations. Thank you very much. It's been an exciting few months, that's for sure.
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So, first of all, I just have to ask about the pregnancy. Do you know if it's a boy or girl?
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I do know. I'm keeping it a secret. I will tell you offline, though.
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I Can't wait to hear.
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Yes, I do know whether it's a boy or a girl. And it's been just the most exciting time.
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Well, again, congratulations. It's been amazing. So let's dive right into the news cycle that has kind of broken the Internet. I was watching with popcorn and great delight when you and Cardi B were going back and forth. Now, for all the listeners edification, you educated me who Cardi B Was two years ago. I had no idea who she was. And he used to be doing the noise all the time. What happened with Cardi B. And how did this start? And for the listeners that might not be as informed. Can you just walk us through it?
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You know, Cardi B is the number one rapper in America right now. She sings songs about female genitalia and encourages young girls to do sexy dances that I find to be wildly inappropriate and that I think contribute to the deterioration of not just black culture, but American culture across the board. So I have no issues with the fact that Cardi B is an entertainer. And when asked about my perspective on Joe Biden, who hasn't given an interview all year, maybe has given a handful of interviews, decides to make an appearance from his basement to honor Cardi B. You know, former stripper turned rapper who was extremely uneducated, barely, you know, barely speaks English, is definitively illiterate, which you could tell by her responses to me. I don't say that as an insult. I say that as a fact and gives her an interview. And, you know, so, you know, Charlie, as we've hit the road together many times, I talk about this sort of undermining of the black community that we perpetually see from Democrats. And I was having an honest discussion. It was more a referendum on the DNC and this sort of repeat strategy to use entertainers to garner black votes with Ben Shapiro. And this clip sort of went viral, got a million views. And Cardi B responded to the clip and took it as a personal insult, like she is not worthy to speak with Joe Biden. Now, I. I didn't want her to take it personally, but yes, it is true that a presidential candidate should not be sitting down with Cardi B, who has a song right now out about a woman's vagina and sex. So we went back and forth on this for probably one tweet. She tried to say something about politics and her perspective and realized she had no idea what she was talking about. She said something along the lines of she'd rather have her tax dollars go to free education than to Trump's campaign, reelect campaign. There's just so much wrong. Hard dog back. So, you know, she then, you know, I accused her of being uneducated, and then she then felt the need to prove that to the entire world is what happened.
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And you broke her. I love the image that you retweeted where it just showed Jordan just going in from the. From the free throw line, just dunking over Cardi B. It was almost an unfair fight. And look, I'm not one to overly attack Cardi B, but she completely crossed the line, in my opinion, when she went after your pregnancy. And she's. She's actually a criminal. She's admitted to drugging men and stealing their possessions. And look, we all believe in redemption. I just wish she would feel some sort of sorrow for that. But then she went after your unborn child, right?
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She did, yeah. She made a comment again referring to her song, which is all about women and their vaginas. And I hate. I'm really sorry for listeners here, but just to give you context, and you shouldn't look up what it stands for, but it's literally talking about how wet a woman's vagina can get for men. I mean, that is how disgusting and debased these lyrics are. And so she basically said that my unborn child probably doesn't like me because of my female genitalia. The state of my female genitalia. I mean, it's so crazy and disgusting to speak about. And, you know, I hit her back very quickly and said, wow, attacking an unborn child. How very Democrat of you. And then proceeded to educate her about the statistics around abortion and how many black lives that's taken, you know, from the black community.
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When I read that tweet, I said, candace absolutely wrote that herself because I got to see you. How very Democrat of you. I've seen you do that before to campus leftists. I'm like, that is exactly right. But I think it actually, Candace, what gave me great joy and delight in watching that kind of back and forth is in real time, I saw your vision actually being not just manifest. I just saw it actually happening where you wanted the Democrat civil. You wanted the black civil war to happen. I remember you talked about this from the first time I met you. You said, I want the black civil war. And then I saw it. I saw Cardi B. And Candace going after it. Can you talk about how it's a really healthy thing, actually, that these conversations are happening? Because Cardi B almost, in some ways, fell for the trap because millions of black people then saw a discourse they otherwise probably wouldn't have.
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Right. You know, and I do. It's one of the things that I think I do give myself the most credit for. There are tons of black American conservatives that have been here before me, that will be here after me. But I think I changed the game of black conservatism in my willingness to fight back. And what I mean by is, you know, you and I both know Dr. Ben Carson. He's amazing and unbelievably intellectual. Condoleezza Rice, unbelievably intellectual. But when people would say things that were untrue or call them coons or call them Uncle Toms, they sort of just took it. And that really is a symbol of just their, you know, remarkable education. They're not going to get down in the dirt and fight. And I knew that the fight needed to take place, you know, that we needed to get down in the dirt and declare. Declare these turf wars and say, you know, just because I'm a black conservative does not mean that I need to shut up. Does not mean that you have the right to call me, you know, racial. Racial slurs. And so there's been this fight back. And I think in taking someone on as big as Cardi B, somebody with 75 million followers on Instagram and winning and dragging her through and proving my point and showing that everything she's accusing Trump of being. She accused Trump of being a racist. That's why we gotta get him out of office. It took her two tweets before she was posting Instagram posts about my husband's being white and what being with a white man must do to me, which is why I posited the question, just imagine a world in which somebody did that the other way. If somebody got into a fight, if Mark Zuckerberg got into a fight with Alex Ohanian and said, oh, well, you're married to Serena Williams. That's black. Must have done this to you. You betrayed your own race. It's remarkably racist. And we've somehow given a pass to black athletes and black stars to be vocally racist towards white people. And this society is kind of trained to believe that racism towards white people is okay, and it's not. So, you know, via Blexit, my foundation and this movement of black conservatives, we're finally getting the audacity to speak up for ourselves. And Cardi B just sort of took that to the next level in terms of the ideolog war that's waging in the black community.
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I want to reinforce that. Because I was there in the early days when you were articulating this. Exactly. You said, where's the arguments? Where's the debate? Why is everyone okay with this? You just start firing at each other and something good will come after it. And you saw this playing out. When you start to see these little outbursts and cardi b Or you know, to a lesser extent, LeBron James. We'll get into that. But I kind of put him in a different category. But I think LeBron is very foolish in the way he's been handling things lately. Incredibly so. But this kind of discussion has been lacking in the black community. It's been one size fits all conformity. You must vote Democrat. And then our lives are actually not gonna get better. I wanna get into the book here, Candice. Cause you talk about this at length. I'm working my way through it. Almost finished. It's really easy to read. I mean that as a compliment. Cuz I could tell you wrote it. You're a very gifted writer. And from you, because you wrote every word, I could tell. And let's just start at the beginning of the book. You dedicated your book to your grandparents. Can you tell us why? I think it actually sets the tone for the book because I have some backstory into how much your grandparents mean to you. Build that out for us.
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Yeah. So I mean, this is it kind of gave me an opportunity to really take people through my story because the media has been able to create a caricature of me, almost like this girl must have grown up in a wealthy Connecticut community and had everything handed to her. She acts white, which means I speak proper English, I think. And so it allowed me to sort of lay the groundwork and take people through where these conservative ideas came from. And I talk about the early seeds of conservatism in the first chapter, which actually came from my grandparents. And they weren't political, they were apolitical, but they lived their lives conservatively. It was all about faith. It was about family. And they had rules and they believed in rules. They believed that there was a right and there was a wrong. And I talk about, you know, constantly having this healthy fear of my grandfather growing up in his household and stealing those early values in me. And my grandfather grew up on a sharecropping farm. He grew up with the real Ku Klux Klan shooting bullets into his home. You know, my grandfather's first job was laying out tobacco to dry when he was 5 years old. And it sort of builds out the narrative when I challenge Black America to say we've allowed ourselves the most privileged black people that have ever lived in the history of the world. If you are a black American, you live in America today. You are the most privileged black people that have ever walked the face of the planet. And that's really, that's. That's really quite a powerful way to look at it. And yet we mope and we whine more than our ancestors who lived through way more. My grandfather never, my entire life, told me I couldn't do something because of the color of my skin. In fact, he almost demanded that we do do something because of these opportunities that were laid in front of us. So everything that I do is inspired by my grandfather and my grandmother. My grandmother passed in 2013. My grandfather is still alive and he's so proud of me. And I want to be what the legacy of those black Americans, those ancestors who did live through racial strife, like what it should be, which is us embracing these opportunities that America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, gives to us every single.
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Right. Exactly. And it's funny you say that because it is a conundrum because at the same time that they tell us basically to view ourselves like we're still living through slavery, they get really angry when I say Democrat plantations that were on the Democrat plantation. It drives them crazy. And that rhetoric is so important. And I really, my favorite chapter in this book is on slavery, where I build that out from start to finish and talk about, listen, guys, I have said Democratic plantations. And let me now show you what I mean. And what I mean by that is I go and I talk about how in order to maintain slavery, what did the white, white Democrats in the south have to do? They need to make sure black Americans were illiterate and couldn't read and couldn't write. We are seeing that today when you have major inner cities where 75% of black kids can't pass a basic literacy exam. This is why they're relying on culture. This is why they're relying on LeBron James to tell them what's going on. Because an educated mind cannot be enslaved. What was central to maintaining slavery? And I talk about Frederick Douglass in this book, how he, in his autobiography, details how he felt nothing when his mother died, felt nothing when he was taken away from his sisters. Was the breakdown of family. No familial tiles. And it allows the system to take place and allows them to move you around within the system. And you think this is normal because you don't have a family. So I literally studied just how slavery works. It's mind boggling to think about how could they have maintained this well. And really what we're seeing today are updated, modernized techniques that they used back in the day when we were their physical slaves. Today we are their Mental slaves. And in the past, we have been their physical slaves. And it's very interesting and important for black Americans to understand.
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And, Candace, I told you something once. I think you've cited it. What's the one thing that slavery always had in common?
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There was always more slaves than masters and crap. Charlie, I should have included that in my book. I hate that you just said it again.
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No, now you can add it on in some of the interviews. But it's true. And what's really interesting is psychologically, in order for slavery to exist, whether it be ideological slavery, whether it be psychological slavery or physical slavery, is a fear and a lack of capacity for the slaves to be able to challenge the masters. Right? And that comes with illiteracy. That comes with propaganda. And what you're trying to do, which is a very moral crusade, it's so important is you're actually believing in black America, where Democrats aren't. And so in a lot of different ways, and this is what's so perplexing about the LeBron James of the world. LeBron, in a lot of different ways, he should be saying, guys, I made it it, and you can, too. Instead, it's, I made it, but I'm not actually emblematic. And you're actually all living in an awful country, right?
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And I talk about that in my book. I talk about LeBron James and I say, you know, what's, what's interesting is the people that made it by doing things the right way are telling people to do things the wrong way. LeBron James didn't make it because somebody came to him and said, hey, because you're a black man, every basket you make is going to be worth six, right? LeBron James made it because he worked hard, he practiced, and he became the greatest. It's the same thing with Oprah. I talk about, you know, Tyler Perry and who, you know, who actually is a good example for black America. He doesn't engage in this white versus black stuff. And it's important for black Americans to understand that people that made it with capitalism, with free markets, with hard work, are the people that are telling you that you can't make it because of all three, which is quite ironic. And you're right. It's why I so frequently attack culture. It's why I've always. And you know this, Charlie, straddled the line between politics and culture because I've understood the significance and the power that culture has in transforming people politically.
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It's so, it's so. It's. I have become more and More convinced that the cultural aspect of it is infinitely more important than the political aspect of it. And that's what Andrew Breitbart used to say, flows downstream from culture. On the back of your book. And I loved this when reading the introduction, I think it's. I can see exactly why you put this on the book, and I think it really sets the tone. It said, quote, while Democrats have long acknowledged our struggles and the crimes enacted against us, they have done very little to provide actual remedies or prepare us for a future that doesn't center on our brokenness. As we approach the 2020 election, I'm asking the black community to consider the realities of our current economic state, the condition of our schools and neighborhoods, the number of young men who are incarcerated. For far too long, we have been lied to by Democrats who have relied upon our votes to maintain them in power. For far too long, we have believed that the state is sovereign. We do not belong to the Democrat Party. We do not belong to socialism. We answer to God, not the God of government. So that right there, I think, really frames it beautifully. You're making an argument that in the black community, the Democrats have actually not been representing the true values of black America. And you pointed this out to me very early on that it's. If black America is wrongly represented by this cultural liberalism, by this almost cultural Marxist idea of. Can you dive into that?
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Yeah, and I talk about Karl Marx, and there's a chapter called On Faith. And I really get into this. And it was important for me to do that because I know that within the conservative movement, there are some people that are like, stay away from the topic of God. Or some people are like, christian. You're an open Christian. I'm an open Christian. But some people don't like to talk about faith. And, you know, I start that chapter talking about faith of saying how ironic it is because you cannot say that you stand on the principles of Western civilization without understanding the significance that faith has played and understanding the significance that as our culture moves further and further towards an atheistic culture, Western civilization begins to collapse. These things are actually, you know, inextricably linked to one another. So you don't need to be a person that goes to church every Sunday to understand why faith is important in this country. And black America has always been the most faithful group in America, you know, from the times of slavery, singing Amazing Grace, which, ironically, was a song that was written by a slave trader who then was later redeemed. And, you know, so when you look at the Black American culture and the values that it has always stood upon. It is the exact opposite of what leftism and liberalism is. And for some reason the like Republicans and conservatives have not been able to present that argument well to black America. And I think part of it is a bit of maybe aftershock because you guys are just so, when I say you guys, I mean white men are just so routinely called racist, white supremacists, sexist, rapist, you know, all every day that I think there's been a fear to engage the black community and the, and the left has sort of had that stranglehold and what I'm saying and challenging not just black America, but white America engage because we have all of the chips on our side. This is a faithful community. This is a God fearing community. This is a community that cared so much about family that one of the biggest rights that they took once slavery ended and their rights were restored was to get married. They were looking for long last slave relatives. And I talked about that reconstruction error and how black America performed during that era. So it's, it's, you know, it's all very important.
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On education.
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I'm sorry? On education.
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That's right. I talk about history. Yeah. I mean, like, you're absolutely correct. I mean, I think some of the most important elements are just who and what the Democrat Party was, always has been and always will be. And really the sleight of hand happened with the Department of Education, in my opinion, actively teaching their history. Wrong. Right. So we have black Americans learning that Lyndon Baines Johnson, who I spend a lot of time talking about in this book, was a hero because he inked the Civil Rights bill and most black Americans don't know. He basically did that with a gun to his head that in his 20, 20 plus years in the Senate, he voted against every single right that was, that was put up on for a vote for black Americans. He was a part of that Southern bloc that was dedicated to making sure blacks got no progress in this. And then he ends up president by accident. Right. Because JFK is killed and there's riots breaking out all across the country and he's basically forced to sign the Civil Rights Bill. And in the same breath that he signs it, he gives a speech at Howard University and says, that's not enough. We also need to make sure. And then he puts in place these welfare policies and says behind closed doors that he'll have those Negroes actually said the N word, voting Democrat for the next 200 years. All of this is white from history lessons. While they're learning about wokeism and white privilege and all of these things, they're not actually learning concrete history about who the Democrat Party always has been. There was never, you know, as you and I both know, some magical switch that happened. They have always been the racist and we have always been their favored oppressed horse to bet on when it comes to maintaining power.
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Yeah, and I think you articulated it great. I don't think there was a switch, but I think there was a surrender by Republicans. I think it's a very important point, is that the Democrats took control and you said it because of self censorship, which I actually fear more than censorship from the government right now where people just stop talking because they're afraid of what they're going to be called. Republicans almost self censored and engaging in the black community where it was like, you know, I'm not going to be called these names. I'm not going to show up to the south side of Chicago. I'm not going to show up to South Atlanta, not going to show up to Philly, like, you guys don't want me. We're going to go in the suburbs. And I think that actually created. Created a really bad political environment for black America. Really, really bad. Because then you had Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson be able to rule with complete and total authority over the inner cities of our country and look at the results of it. So, Candace, you've said something before that's very powerful. And you talk about this in your book, about how your grandparents and their generation, they were trending to be wealthier than white Americans. Lyndon Baines Johnson interrupted that. But how is it that black America is one of the only portions of American society not to be able to continue to say, every generation, we're getting a little bit better. Can you tell us a reason why this is the case? That's not racism. This is a very important point. It's not systemic racism. Right? Because the left will say, look at the data. The only way we can attribute this is because of systemic racism.
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Right. The only thing that is systemic and the only thing that is plaguing black America today is white guilt. If white people would stop with this guilt and be honest about what's happening in society and stop saying, oh, black America, it is all our fault. There's this guilt. And this is a very crucial part of my book and something that I studied via Shelby Steele, and he actually wrote a book called White Guilt of when that transformation started happening, black Americans were doing better. What actually happened with black America and why we started doing worse was because of this plague of white guilt that happened in the mid-60s, at the very moment that we actually were given true freedom and equality with the passage of the Civil Rights Bill and the passage of the voting rights is when black Americans got scared. Because actually, freedom is a very scary thing. Freedom actually means responsibility, right? You have responsibility to yourself now. You have to make it in this country. Freedom is actually a burden in many ways because you no longer have the excuse of oppression, right? So oppression is a comfort that you wear it as a cloak. Well, the reason why I'm not doing well is because of this right and because we have segregation and white Americans will listen to their schools, then suddenly you wipe it all away and you say, okay, fine, now we've leveled the playing field, and you don't have that cloak of oppression, so what do you do? You start creating that cloak of oppression. This is where Marxist principles start to seep in. Or see oppression everywhere. Oppression is, you know, everywhere that you look. It's in the condition, it's in the air you're breathing. Oppression. Black Americans made that switch in the 1960s with the blessing of white Americans who felt guilty because for the first time, America said, you know what? We did get this wrong. Which is a courageous thing, admitting that we did something wrong. Nobody questions the fact that segregation was wrong and slavery was wrong. But now you have black Americans that aren't ready to raise to the challenge and who are being enabled by white Americans who aren't willing to look them in the face and say, sorry, man, no, you've got all your freedoms. You gotta figure this out.
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That is so well said. And I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Shawshank Redemption or not. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't. It's one of the greatest movies of all time. And there's a part of the movie that I remember growing up, we were watching it as a class, and there was a prisoner who was given his freedom towards the end of the film. Film right. He earns it after 45 years of being in prison, and he ends up committing suicide because he was not. Once he has the freedom, he has no capacity to be able to deal with it. I just think allegorically it's a perfect metaphor. I encourage you. It's really great where this prisoner then is in the real world that he's like, I have to go have rent. I have to have friends. I have this freedom. I actually don't want it. And this is actually a very interesting thing you've done. There's a ton of psychological data that shows this, that prisoners sometimes go commit more crimes to go back to prison because that's all they know, especially young, especially people that are incarcerated under the age of 20. And so it's kind of that golden triangle, right? In order to have freedom, you must have virtue. In order to have virtue, you must have faith. In order to have faith, you must have freedom. Right? That's the golden triangle that really built America. And black America definitely had virtue and had faith. However, they never had freedom until the Civil Rights Act. True freedom. And once the freedom gets instituted, it's kind of like, so what do we do with this? And then. Then you have a hierarchy that steps in, unfortunately, of white liberals and really. And black. I would say, black liberals. And I want you to talk about this. That took advantage of the black community, got very rich while doing so. The Jesse Jacksons. Right. The Al Sharptons. Can you talk about that as well? About how there have been certain people in the community organizing groups, if you were. That have been selling this lie to black America that are black themselves.
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Yeah. I mean, really what they're doing is that they've been able to monetize white guilt. Right. To go around and say, it's your fault. It's your fault. Give me a platform. I'll speak. You know, I will be the person that sanctions you and says, you're not racist if you're accused of racism, even if you're not racist. And they started to begin to shake down these corporations, because now suddenly America flipped. And the worst thing you could have possibly been called was a racist. And these people came in and they took advantage of that. So in order for them to sustain their platforms, they need there to always be racism. Right. There always needs to be some sort of an oppression. I liken this even to other movements in our country, like Glass. Right. They needed to have something to fight for. They got gay marriage. And what happened? They jumped to the trans ship very quickly and said, actually, no, there's still more oppression. There's still more things that we're fighting for. And they'll keep adding letters to lgbtq, IRS until they get to Z and start all over again. Because they need to make sure that this narrative stays alive. And that's exactly what's happening with these naacp. I mean, black Americans are given the right in the mid-60s. There is no systemic oppression that exists. There is absolutely nothing that Charlie Kirk is allowed to do in America. That Candace Owens camp because of the color of her skin. And they hate me with a passion for saying that. That sentence that I just said drives them crazy. There's nothing that Charlie Kirk can do as a white man that I can't do as a black person. Because, you know, it's a truth, and it's an inexorable truth, and they can't stand it because it disrupts everything that they're working on. But that's what I exist for. You know, I exist to give black Americans back their lives. At the same time, I exist to remind white Americans that you are playing a part in this false narrative by staying silent. And by self censoring yourself.
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Absolutely. I mean, there's no question that Black Lives Matter is not run by black people and has done nothing to benefit black Americans. Talking about the incorporation, we know they raised billions of dollars and nobody can tell you where the money went. I mean, that is so crazy to fathom. I mean, Charlie, you run an organization, I run an organization. Could you imagine If Turning Point USA and BLExit organization each raised billions of dollars and we had no employees, no office, no events. I mean, just completely never were asked any questions. That's the amazing part. Like, they've been existing for years and nobody's asked them a question like, where is our government on this? Where's the Department of Justice? Where's the IRS on this, saying, wait a minute, you've raised billions of dollars using the face of black Americans who you claim have been killed on just none of them were. And no one knows where the money goes. So this is, I have said since the very beginning, this is so clearly money laundering. This money is going somewhere. And they have so much power. Here's the craziest part. Imagine that same scenario. Turning Point usa, Blex organization, billions of dollars, no organization. And yet people are painting TP USA on NBA floor. Right. Are painting blexit on helmets in the NFL. It has so much power behind the scenes. Right. That it is being basically force fed to all Americans and still no one knows where a single dollar streets are being painted in front of Trump Organization. Turning Point usa, nobody knows who runs it. I mean, it's unfathomable. I mean, you and I were prison yesterday. You know what I mean? It's actually unfathomable.
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And what's. And I mean, they have been launched. They've been launching investigations against Bannon and all these other people. And I'm not gonna get into that, but the point is that that's mincemeat amount of dollars compared to BLM Incorporated
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dollars for Steve Bannon. And they swooped in and like, everyone's got to go to prison. They want them all imprisoned. Billions of dollars. And so this is obviously someone extremely powerful orchestrating this behind the scenes. You just do not get your organization's name, your incorporation's name painted on the floors of the NBA, on the helmets of NFL players and have every celebrity talking about it, shaking down organizations. And you don't have a building, a person to call a president. I mean, a name. I mean, it's, it's Incredible. And I definitely have been working on this for a while. I contacted people and said this is gonna be a big deal when this story breaks is it will break where this money is going. And I mean, some heads are gonna roll.
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Well, what I think needs to happen, and this is something the conservative movement has not done a good job of. Someone should sue blacklivesmatter.com for something. Having their church burned down. Minor details, you know, having a family member, you know, you know, slugged in the face. But then once you have litigation, then you can find out who's behind this. Right? You have to serve somebody. I mean, blacklivesmatter.com has to be owned by somebody at some time. So you go to black. I think it's the blacklivesmatter.com or Black Lives Matter movement, whatever.com. candace, you pointed this out. There's no address, there's no phone number. When you donate, it goes through ActBlue, which is the Democrat payment processing scheme to give the money to Joe Biden or whomever. And yet no reporters have looked into this, no journalists have looked into this. I mean, for all we buy it,
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you know what I mean? This is billions of dollars. They can have them all on paper. I mean, this is like, it is the biggest scandal in my mind that has not yet broken in America, where the money goes when you donate to Black Lives Matter. And like I said, you and I would never be able to get away with this ever. And it's incredible that they have. And that's how, you know, the person behind this is extremely powerful.
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And what's so sick, Candace, is you have black people right now, tens of thousands of black businesses that were wrongly shut down because of the lockdown. Black churches that are having to close their doors. You have black families that can't make rent. These are legitimate things. Where's BLM coming in with rent assistance? Where's BLM coming in to say, hey, let's actually have small business, whatever, small business loans, small business relief.
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We gave out $150,000 to black owned businesses that were looted and rioted during the BLM riots. And I do not have a billion dollar budget. I have no. We're in our first year, you know, and we did that because if you're actually an organization that cares about black lives, that would have been the first thing you did when you saw these, these hard owned businesses that they worked their entire lives. Black Americans have never been in trouble, getting their businesses rioted and looted all in the name of Black Lives Matter.
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And this, the exact opposite. They bailed out the terrorists, they went and they actually said, you know what? We need more of these thugs, more of these people that are burning down the inner cities of our country. And so I think you bring up a great point, is that there's an architect of chaos behind all of this. There has to be. It's too planned, it's too designed, it's too perfect.
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Charlie, you and I called this out, how organized it was. Now everyone's talking about Antifa. But you and I called this out the morning we went to breakfast and got a tap.
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And it's in your book. It's in the book. Towards the end of it we said
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it's clearly an organized cell because we were having breakfast at 8:30am they sound a bat signal and 20 of them came. It was a Monday morning, ladies and gentlemen, unless it is your full time job. You did not, you weren't just working at some job and said, gotta go and put on a, you know, put on an outfit like you turn into Superman after Clark Kent and came to go after Charlie and Candace. This has always been, they've been employed, they're on staff. You know what I mean? So these terrorists, this is an organized settlement. We've been calling this out for years and now just now the conservatives are starting to say, wait a second, we need to look into Antifa. And I just think that Republicans conservatives need to act sooner because it's all so obvious and they get away with it for years before we do anything about it.
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Yeah, I mean, how many more inner cities have to burn? I mean how many more people have to be killed in the. You saw in Portland, a Christian was killed, a Christian Trump supporter from Patriot Prayer. And some people say it's a bad group. I don't know if it's a good group or bad group. I haven't looked into it. But he doesn't deserve to get murdered in the streets by a thug. And so this is really something that I don't understand for the life of me why the Department of Justice has not opened a RICO case into BLM and into Antifa. It's just one of the biggest disappointments that I've seen. I think that our DOJ has been infiltrated from the bottom up from Obama, Biden sycophants and Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch. So I wanna talk about that too. Candace, you do mention in your book the need to leave the Democrat plantation. We have an election coming up. Donald Trump is making record gains and overtures to the Black community. What do you think he has done right with black America? What do you think he still needs to do to win over the black community? Cuz I personally would like to see even more campaigning on the inner cities. And you're doing this at Blexit. You just had a great event in South Carolina. It was packed, it was terrific. What do you think the President has to do to win a record amount of black votes? And do you think he's actually on pace to do so?
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So I've always said 20 points in 2020, and I think we're on pace to do so. When I look around and I see these riots and these protests, what I think we're seeing is the last squeals of a dying animal. I think they know he's got it. I think they knew that he had it the second they came into January. They have not stopped, you know, the assault. It went straight from impeachment to COVID 19 kill his economy, never open up ever again. You know, the perfect narrative to go after what was really black progress. Black people getting up, up on their two feet, you know, getting off of food stamps, getting off of welfare, the lowest ever, you know, black unemployment rate in this country. And they saw that and black Americans felt that. And all of those false promises of he's, if he gets into office, you'll be on slave ships, he'll be picking cotton tomorrow. None of it's happened. Black Americans are doing better. So I think that he is on target and I think he's done a very good job of just delivering results, you know, not doing anything special for black Americans, but treating them like true Americans. And which is that in this country, if you like opportunity, I can give you that right? If you want handouts, free stuff, and to be treated like a toddler, that's not the promise of the Trump Organization that Trump is giving to and this administration is promising to you. But if you view yourself as a part of the American dream and you have desires and wants and you're willing to go out and get them, then this is the administration for you. In terms of what I think they could do better, I think they are the worst when it comes to messaging and getting out what they're doing. I think that they. And honestly, that's a sign of the times, Chang. They're not very good at marketing and getting out, like all the amazing things that they're doing. And they don't rely, I think, on the right people who do understand it. We're shifting from the old timers TV market to social media, which is something that you and I understand. And I think that they should bring in something younger and fresher to be able to sort of get out the message of what Trump believes in and what he's done.
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I, I, yeah. Off this stream, I'll send you the document of all the off the wall ideas. I had. I had this idea of live streaming the President for two hours straight and just showing how he is as a person. Right. Just showing him behind the Resolute desk and just bringing in, you know, not just all sorts of different people and just, you know, having fun with it. I think that there's a, he's a multi dimensional, magnanimous, fun, you know, the President, he's so different than how the media portrays him. And, and honestly, black America, I think a lot of them are looking for a reason to vote for Trump. I think that again, I do wanna give Jared credit and the White House credit. They have gone above and beyond, more so than most Republicans, to really do this. I just think that it could be done even more so. Candice, in the couple minutes we have remaining, I wanna ask you, Kanye west tweeted out your book. What's going on with that?
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Yeah, I mean, he's been a friend and I realized that I prefer our friendship to stay private than to go on like, you know, Kanye carpet ride. His brand is so big that it could swallow mine in two days. But, you know, Kanye has been consistent. He's been consistently conservative and has consistently set himself apart from the narrative that we see on the left of I can't do anything in this country. And he's got dreams and there are ways for him and I to work together on those dreams, which transcend Trump, transcend any election, but really focus on lifting up black Americans and lifting up people in general. And so, you know, we work privately together. And I learned my lesson the hard way in terms of doing things publicly. And I try to just keep it that way now.
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Well, I'm thrilled. And just so everyone understands, and this is Candace's clairvoyance, is when I met Candace, Candace said, you don't understand Kanye West. He's one of us. He doesn't bash Trump. He's gonna come out. And then the tweet that broke the Internet, I love the way Candace Owens thinks, thinks that rollercoaster was something. And then here we are today, he's tweeting out your book. He's supportive, he's running for president, which I think could help Trump. I'm not really? Sure. Can you talk about that?
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Yeah, it's great for Trump here. I mean, just what I'm hearing on the ground is that you still have those black Americans who fully will say they'll never vote for Trump, but they also fully will never vote for Biden. And they understand Biden's history, which is way in terms of you want to accuse Trump of racism. Biden's voting for segregation. Said black Americans should be segregated. Voted against busing, all of these things when he was in the Senate, and wants black America to just forget about it because he's speaking to Cardi B. And black Americans haven't forgotten about it. This is the first candidate that I've seen that didn't get glowing endorsements from the Breakfast Club. Who, you know, Charlamagne. The guys had a lot of questions for him, and he's scared to go back, you know, you ain't black. That notorious comment. And I believe that when they step into the booth, they're gonna be looking for an alternative candidate. And that they are. That those people who are usually aligned with Democrat Party are gonna hit Kanye and those votes will be taken away from Joe Biden. And I know that Kanye said something to that effect in a Forbes interview. And it is what it is. I don't see this as anything that's gonna hurt Donald Trump. And I think it can only help.
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Yeah, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Black kids are just as smart as white kids. Something like that. Poor kids are just as smart as white kids. Just thinking that every poor kid in America is a black kid. Kid, you can't walk into a 711 without a slight Indian accent. First time I've ever seen a clean cut black man. Was Barack Obama running for the presidency? Black men are super predators. The author of the Clinton crime bill. Friends with segregationists. Pro busing. I mean, I could go on, right? I mean. And they try to say that Donald Trump has a questionable racial history. Here's what I say. I say that if Joe Biden magically, for whatever reason, all of a sudden became a Republican, the media would say he's the biggest racist ever. They would say, play all these tapes. They'd play all this clip after the other. So the book is called Blackout by Candace Owens. Everyone go pick up a copy today. Candace, any other thoughts about the book that you want to convey to our audience? And I want to just reinforce one thing while you do that. Can you just talk specifically to white Americans about this racial. Because it's very Important. And I get a lot of emails from people that say, charlie, I appreciate, because I've been very outspoken on these issues the last couple of years, months, and a lot of ways, Candace, you gave me the confidence to do that, that I can weigh in on, you know, criticizing BLM Inc. And people say, charlie, I don't understand how you have so much, you know, courage to do that. I don't think it's actually courageous. I just think it's the right thing to do. Can you just talk about that, please? Because there's so many white Americans.
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I want to harp on what you just said. I don't think it's courageous. I think it's the right thing to do. We've gotten to a part in this country where people cannot acknowledge what is right and what is wrong. The left and the right, despite our differences, you should be able to fully acknowledge that this is what wrong. Rioting and looting, that is wrong. And there is no context in which this is right. And suddenly we no longer can agree on basic concepts of rightness and wrongness. And, you know, this is because what we have right now is a black culture that is being infantilized by the media, by the politicians. And when I say infantilized, I do mean that what we're seeing is toddleresque, right? You get upset, you don't get your way, and you riot and you lose a toddler throwing things around, throwing a temper tantrum. Well, who do you blame when a toddler can perpetually throws a temper tantrum and gets what they want, every time they do it, you blame the parent. Right? And so what I am blaming are the institutions. What I am blaming are the white Americans who post the black square and stand in solidarity. I'm blaming the white Americans that say, well, some of the protests were peaceful. I'm blaming the white Americans who don't have the courage to post black squares. When, like, what happened yesterday, two police officers get gunned down in broad daylight by a black man. Yeah. So it's the organization, it's the politicians, and it's the individual white Americans who don't have the spine to stand up and say that what is being. What is happening in our school systems and amongst our politicians is wrong. That teaching white Americans in school about their white privilege and telling them that there's something fundamentally wrong with their white skin is equally as bad as telling Ruby Bridges that there was something fundamentally wrong with her black skin when she was six years old and led the integration movement. So the onus is on White America, it cannot just be put on black conservatives to stand up and speak and out. And I think that that is what I hope people get when they hold my book, is that we're all American, so we all fight for righteousness and we all fight against wrongness.
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That's exactly right. And you mentioned. I just have to say this. I heard somebody say this the other day. They said, oh, I have to go adult today, as if it was a verb. And James Lindsay said this in my podcast. He's terrific. He's an atheist, but he's so smart. That's civilizational ending. So stuff when people all of a sudden consider adulting to be something negative. Right. And it's actually very interesting. You look into their literature. Jean Jacques Rousseau, he argued that he wants the primitive over the civilized and the infant over the adult. And this is really what's happened here, is that don't grow up. You can just be an infant for the rest of your life. And that's what we actually value. And a lot of different ways your call to action is actually, no, grow up. Take responsibility. Find meaning. Get your direction. Right.
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Right.
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Work hard. Stop complaining. Live like my grandfather, because he actually lived a meaningful life where that disconnect happened. Right. There was a disruption, and that disruption actually was multi trillions of dollars was a concerted racist campaign by the Democrat Party that destroyed, I think, the greatest untapped asset in America, which is black America. Truly. And you talk about that at great length. So I guess the final question, Candace, is, is where can they find the book? And then can you just also just one final call to action for conservatives heading into the election or people in the middle.
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B
Yeah. You know, my final call to action would be speak up and speak out. Because you will wake up one day and you will not recognize the country that you. That you thought you lived in and that you were born into and that you were raised into. And that's been my fear, especially now that I'm pregnant. You know, I realize that this country can go two entirely different directions. My going to raise my child in the America that I recognize that gave me opportunities and gave me the ability to aspire to this platform. Or are we going to exist under a socialist reverie because people didn't have the spine to just say something and admit that right is right and wrong is wrong. My book can be found everywhere, books are sold. You can go to Barnes and Noble, you can go to Amazon, you can go to my website and you can grab a book. But I just want to thank everybody. Charlie's mentioned in the book, obviously, is a huge part of my journey into politics. And, and like you always say, Charlie, iron sharpens iron.
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That's right. And I consider you to be the Moses of this generation where you're confronting tyranny head on and you're saying, let my people go, let my people go. And I think that's a very moral thing that Christians have to recognize that that story resonates with us because it's people in bondage that want to be free while they're in either ideological or actual slavery. But it takes a Moses to speak out. It takes a Moses to lead those people. And I think that's really you. Well, God bless you, Candace. It is Blackout. How black Americans can make its second escape from the Democrat plantation. Amazon.com, you name it, everyone go buy 1, 2, 5 copies. And thanks so much, Candace.
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Thanks for having me.
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Talk to you soon. Thanks. What an awesome interview that was with Candace Owens. If you guys want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com I traveled the country with Candace with Turning Point USA, really advancing the ideas of a free society, American exceptionalism, and a strong America. So please, if you guys want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com, email us as always at freedom charliekirk.com if you guys want to win a signed copy of the Maga doctrine, let us know you listened to this episode. Type in Charlie Kirk show your podcast provider, hit subscribe, give us a five star review and email us freedom charlie kirk kirk.com freedom charliekirk.com God bless you guys. Thank you so much for listening. Please consider Supporting us@charliekirk.comSupport Big Week in store. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much.