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- [00:04]
Charlie Kirk
My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com. okay, let's do some questions. Thank you guys for sitting through that. I'm told that that guy was just arrested. Okay, there you go. So, yeah, Just some ground rules, everybody. Obviously, it's somewhat of a majority conservative audience here. You guys can feel free to form a line and ask questions if you would like. If you disagree, you can go to the front of the line. And then if somebody who is on the left comes, please treat them with respect. Don't boo them or scold them. It takes courage to go to an event of people that you disagree with. So show them respect and give them an opportunity to kind of state their case if. If someone from the opposition goes there. So feel free to get in line, guys, if you want. And. Okay, question here. All right. Howdy, Charlie.
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Audience Member 1
Thank you for coming. I'm sure that all of us are so ecstatic that you're here, finally. So before I ask my question, I just got to say this. We need you to come to Texas A and M University. I know. I know that we're here at ut, but I'm not the only person that thinks that. Okay, So I don't remember if it was at SAS 2022 or at America Fest, but I remember you saying that UT Austin is the most leftist university you have ever visited. It's been a few years since you've been here.
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Audience Member 2
So.
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Audience Member 1
And I mean, you can elaborate on this. Is that. Does that still prove True. I know you said UC Berkeley, so.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, so last time I was here, that was something I got to tell you. We. We had like a cameraman get assaulted, and it was all sorts of crazy stuff. That was four years ago. So I don't think this campus has gotten more conservative, but I think other campuses have gotten more liberal. So by process of elimination, you're no longer the most liberal school I visited. So I guess you'll take it, right? So. Nah. But I will say this though, and I'll repeat it. The administration coming in and allowing our dialogue to happen, hosting the event, campus police. That's very good. I don't get that. At every school, I gotta tell you, we gotta fight for every. For every single inch. And so that's good. I appreciate it, but I said this kind of out in the open when I was there. There is a lot of work to do here because some of the postmodern pablum that I was hearing, it has some very, very serious implications. So the question, I guess, is also liberal versus leftist, right? Liberal I'm fine with. Okay. Liberals like free speech, live and let live. Okay, fine. I'm not a liberal. Leftists really bother me. Leftists are the few people, not a lot, who came up today and they said, you don't have a right to be here. We want to kick you off campus.
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Leftist Audience Member
Okay?
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Charlie Kirk
Leftists bother me. They're totalitarians. And they should bother you too. Instead of having debate or dialogue, they resort to force or they try to intimidate you with, you know, threats, or they try to play music while you talk. So there's a difference between liberals and leftists. And I hope ut at least remains liberal and never becomes like leftist in that regard. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, Charlie.
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Audience Member 3
Hi, Charlie. I also want to say thank you so much for coming out here and speaking to us today. I have a question that's a little bit more political about transgenderism. As a parent yourself, what would you say to maybe a teacher who's pushing this agenda onto students? Maybe even your daughter one day?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, that person is a groomer who is a pervert. Should not be in teaching to use their position in education to put forward radical, baseless, perverse, gender queer theory on a 5, 6 or 7 or 8 year old? That. That is. That is a. I mean, I used the right descriptions, right, When I said that not only does it have no place in education, the implications of that are quite obvious. And evidence after evidence after evidence is surfacing of parents telling kids not to. I'm sorry? Teachers telling parents, teachers telling kids not to tell their parents, right? Teachers coming in and saying, you know, do not repeat this. And if we're at a place in society where we can't remove pornographic images from kids textbooks, then we got a serious problem. And that's where we're at. I mean if you're, if you're seven, eight or nine years old and you have this graphic, graphic teaching, it really shows a broader sickness. Why though? Why? Why? Why? Well, it's because the innocence of children is worthy of being protected and preserved. It's moral good. The innocence of children is very important because they never get it back. And that period of childhood development where they are, quote, unquote, as innocent as they can be is important for them to find out their values, to grow close to their parents, find out what's right and wrong, you know, what ends up happening. When the innocence of children is robbed, they're less likely to take risks and fail and learn who they are. Every study shows this. When a child's innocence is quote unquote robbed, you could use whatever graphic example you could imagine. Then all of a sudden are they going to be as likely to, you know, there's a great, there's an old Hebrew proverb which is someone who is afraid of being embarrassed will never learn. It's a great Hebrew proverb, isn't it? Which is they're going to be less likely to ask, quote unquote, the dumb question way, be more likely to be in their shell. I think there's something really fun and exciting of a five, six or seven year old that asks the wackiest questions you can imagine because they're trying to explore truth. We want to destroy that. You never get that back. Once it's gone, there is no reversing it. And I think that's a very special thing. I think every, you know, the kind of, the beauty of what the west has been able to do is saying that those of us that are older and those of us that have some form of strength need to use that strength, I mean strength more collectively, not physical strength. Use that to protect children that can't protect themselves. And then once they become to an age of informed consent, we basically have that age around 18, then obviously they can make more decisions themselves. But we're not even talking about 18, we're not even talking about 14, we're not talking about 12, we're talking about 5, 6 and 7 year olds. We're talking about the most moldable, impressionable ages imaginable. Thank you for your question. I appreciate it.
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Leftist Audience Member
Hi, Charlie. I just want to open up by saying I am a leftist and I understand your perspective on it.
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Charlie Kirk
Thanks for being here.
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Leftist Audience Member
But I did want to hear you out today and. Well, you know, ask a question. So you said that you believe that quarantine is the cause of our generations, like, distraught, essentially. And I believe that it is actually war. Like, we were born fresh out of 9 11, some of us, around the time of 9 11. And I don't know, my father served in Afghanistan, so I don't have a very keen perspective of the United States, let's say. But I did want to hear you out on what you had to say. And I do believe we have some common ground in the fact that capitalism has failed my generation more than any other recent years.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I didn't quite say that, but I would say lack of free enterprise in some ways. But that's okay, you got most of it. So. Yeah, so the lockdowns, not quarantine, right? That was the word I used. But I mean, I'll just. I'll prove it to you. So the war thing aside, I mean, how many people in this room know someone that committed suicide or seriously harmed themselves in the midst of the pandemic just by a show of hands? That's a lot. I mean, the numbers show suicide visits were 50% higher among 12 to 17 year olds during the same period in 2018. Psychiatric medication Prescription went up, alcoholism went up, drug use went up, not to mention young people then reentered an economy where everything was twice as expensive because we created a bunch of money, because of the lack of productivity in the lockdowns. And so I think it's just inarguable that the lockdowns made. Played a huge role, a massive role, in really depriving a generation of the ability to congregate and to communicate.
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Leftist Audience Member
Can I say my perspective?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, sure.
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Leftist Audience Member
This is kind of personal, but I was considering taking my own life before quarantine. And I think discovering myself during quarantine is what saved myself. I had quite the opposite experience. I know that is unique in that case, but I would say that it's the opposite. I would say it's the opposite case, but that's just my personal perspective. I think there are far more worse things that my generation has been exposed to than the lockdown and the inflation that you have cited during the lockdown. That's arguably not the fault of the current standing president. If you do believe that it is
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Charlie Kirk
the fault of the current standing president, well, right. I mean first of all, Biden created 5 trillion new dollars. Not created, but he approved 5 trillion new dollars. That was hyper, hyperinflationary. But I'll even give you that the other Covid relief funds never should have been approved. But look, it's not just the suicide issue. But first of all, thank you. We're glad you're here. We're glad you didn't make that decision. Life is beautiful and worthy of protection. I mean that. But it's from childhood speech impediment development. It's from asocial cues. It's from. If you talk to any psychologist or child psychologist, they do not have the bandwidth to be able to even facilitate the amount of kids. And I know that you have an obviously exception experience, but that is the exception, right? I mean it is self evident that these lockdowns were unusually cruel. And you know who they were most cruel to? To poor families. They was the most cruel to people that didn't have extra bedrooms or high speed Internet connection to be able to keep up with this. The kind of zoomification of American education was the hardest on the people that the regime said they want to help the most. And I mean, so you're an economic leftist, is that fair to say?
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Leftist Audience Member
Yes.
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Charlie Kirk
I mean would you at least agree that. That for one of your passionate causes, which is billionaires getting wealthier. Billionaires got $600 billion wealthier.
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Leftist Audience Member
Absolutely. And like your whole big big tech sucks. Is that what it says? I don't know what it says.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, but that's one of them.
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Leftist Audience Member
Absolutely on your side with that like. And I don't think enough conservatives understand that the left are equally against big business as they are.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, some leftists, right. I mean it depends who you talk to.
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Leftist Audience Member
The loud minority, I would say are the ones that are make you the impression that we're not against big business. Yeah, I promise. The ones that actually read or.
- [11:01]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, excuse me, where I'm a little cynical about that, just to be honest. Where I have to hear they're against big business while they mandated a Pfizer AstraZeneca Moderna vaccine of publicly traded transnational corporations.
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Leftist Audience Member
And see, that's more of like in my eyes a neoliberal concept.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, but I mean it was. Find me one left wing senator that opposed that and it just didn't exist. But I think you're coming at this from an honest perspective and I just, I'm. I'll just close with this. This is what drives me nuts about kind of the fixation on race all the time. And all these other issues that I would prefer not to talk about is that I think there's actually agreement on kind of how things went wrong last couple of years. You blame capitalism, I blame more cronyism and big government intervention over a lot of different things. But I. I'm afraid that a lot of what we spend our time talking about are some of the more superficial issues rated in rooted in race. Marxism.
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Leftist Audience Member
I absolutely agree. Absolutely agree. So I do believe classism is the biggest issue in America.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So let me ask you a question as a leftist. You know, why is it that the American left. Why is the American left allowing the conversation to be controlled by white liberals that just want to stay rich?
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Leftist Audience Member
It's big business paying them off. It's not.
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Charlie Kirk
That's an honest answer. You are a true revolutionary. So God bless you, comrade. Thanks for being here tonight. So thank you.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you, man. Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
if you disagree, come to the line. Whatever you guys want. Thanks.
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Audience Member 4
All right, so abortion seems to be, like, a big topic these days. And I was actually at your booth earlier. I was just listening in, and that was a big topic there, too. And so I guess I just had a question about that because at the booth, like, whenever you're. Whenever someone was asking you, like, why, why are we valuing the fetus? It kept coming back to human life. And, like, I didn't really understand what you meant by that because when, when you say human life, the like human life by definition is an organism or a being that has human DNA. And so when the fetus only really has that connection with you know, like fully grown adults or let's just like born children, what entitles the fetus to violate the property rights of the mother over her own body or to have the government do so on her behalf?
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Charlie Kirk
Does that baby have unique DNA?
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Audience Member 4
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
So by your own definition that should be worthy of protection, right?
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Audience Member 4
No, I don't believe that DNA has moral value. Just.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, got it. So, so what, when does human life begin?
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Audience Member 4
Well, human life I guess if you say like an organism that is human species by definition begins at conception.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. So then my position is that being that begins at conception is worthy of constitutional rights and protection.
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Audience Member 4
Why? What, what moral value does simply having being an organism, even if it's just a single celled organism.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Audience Member 4
That has human DNA. What moral value?
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Charlie Kirk
Right. Because human beings are different. Human beings have the ability to have rational speech, to reason, not just consciousness, not just the ability to feel. Human beings are the only species that cannot just feel pain and pleasure, but can tell the just from the unjust. Human beings are something that is so beautiful and so special. And of course I have many different reasons to believe this, but I'll make a natural law argument that that DNA will never exist again. It's distinct and it is living. And if allowed uninterrupted growth, that human being will hopefully mature into something just like you have. And we're all abortion survivors, aren't we?
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Audience Member 4
I. Okay, so you mentioned the, I guess the rationality that makes human beings special. But that single celled organism doesn't have that rationality yet. And so what qualifies the entirety of the human species?
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Charlie Kirk
So my 7 week old doesn't have a lot of rationality yet. It, I mean my, my baby girl eats and does other things and sleeps does. I mean obviously you would agree it's that 7 week old has value.
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Audience Member 4
Well, yeah, but I, I'm not coming from an argument of rationality. I'd come from more of like a self ownership type perspective. And I simply don't believe that an organism that is inherently dependent like on the, on like violating another person's property rights in order to survive.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. So, but I mean my 7 week old is very dependent on my wife and me. That doesn't mean I can just eliminate my seven week old.
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Audience Member 4
Like I'm sorry, obviously like the seven week Old depends on like for practicality and living. But if we're talking about a moral perspective. Right. Just the capacity to have rationality, why does that give it more of that?
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, but we're talking about two different things. I guess the question is, do you believe just because something is dependent on another, is that a reason that you could be able to eliminate that being?
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Audience Member 4
If that being has to violate someone else's moral rights in order to do so, yes.
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Charlie Kirk
Really?
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Audience Member 4
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
So what moral rights do you mean by that?
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Audience Member 4
The right to have like autonomy of your own body. If another actor is violating those rights, then yeah, to remove it. I don't see a problem with that.
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Charlie Kirk
Got it. So. So bodily autonomy would be more important than another being being able to live a full life.
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Audience Member 4
Yeah. I would value a being that has the right to property over one that doesn't have a right to property yet.
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Charlie Kirk
Got it. Just because the being is older and not in the womb and bigger.
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Audience Member 4
And also because the being is a person and not just an organism.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, so but if that being's one week old, it's more than a single cell organism.
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Audience Member 4
Yeah, but that person, that one week old still has like autonomy over themselves. At least at one week old like has an inherent. Like.
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Charlie Kirk
Got it. Okay.
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Audience Member 4
Natural autonomy over themselves.
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Charlie Kirk
So this is where we have clarity but not agreement. Here's the problem. Okay. Morality that built the west. And the morality that I'm going to defend tonight is that one week old can't defend themselves. So stronger, bigger people, not in the womb need to insert themselves to make sure that one week old is not terminated by people that are just happen to be older and bigger than them. Is that regardless of size, as soon as that life begins, which you agreed it starts at conception that being deserves constitutional rights uniquely and fearfully made. And it's the question of the morality of a society, of what we're willing to do when that being comes into existence. Because human life is special. Human life is different than dolphins. It's different than chimpanzees. We not just have the ability to reason. And I'm going to make an argument you might not agree with. Yes, human beings have a soul and a soul is worthy of protection. I would even go as far to say that human being is made in the image of the creator. I don't expect you to agree with that final point.
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Audience Member 4
Okay, so I guess I would just believe that the only types of, I mean at least the only types of humans that can have moral rights are ones that act as moral agents and A single celled organism that's living in a womb or a multicellular organism that's living in a womb.
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Charlie Kirk
Can you explain what you mean by moral agents, moral agency? Well, like, so if you don't have moral agency, then you could be up for elimination if you don't have, I
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Audience Member 4
mean if you don't have moral agency, if you don't have like the ability to like if you don't have ownership over your own body yet.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, so that, by the way, that is babies until they're about 18 months old do not have ownership of their own body.
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Audience Member 4
No, I would say that they would, they do.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, how would my 7 week old feed herself if I just left her in the crib?
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Audience Member 4
That's not ownership over your own body though. The ability to move your body by instinct even is ownership of your own body.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, so a 22 week, 22 week old baby in the womb moves all the time. You're contradicting yourself. You have to have a line at 15 weeks, six weeks, there's a heartbeat.
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Audience Member 4
I guess I would say that. Okay, so that was a good point.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you. Thank you.
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Audience Member 4
I guess I probably just need to clarify, clarify that what I mean by like self ownership or moral agency because that, that that organism or that human whatever in the womb is still inherent, like in order to like survive, it's inherently biologically dependent, even if it does nothing. Right. Is biologically dependent on the mother. And so if we talk about like late term, like just, I mean like, I guess I don't want to go into that territory just like right now. Right. So if we say, huh, so like if we just talk about like early term, like abortion, I simply don't see, I don't have like. And I don't think that generally people see a moral value that is similar to even that of a newborn baby in something that is just conceived.
- [20:36]
Charlie Kirk
We have clarity. Thank you for your question, man. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Audience Member 5
Hi. So we've now had the COVID vaccine out for about two years now.
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Audience Member 6
Right.
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Audience Member 5
End of 2020 it came out. And my question to you basically is, how long is it going to take you to accept the fact that the COVID vaccine is fine for people to use?
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Charlie Kirk
Did you, did you hear about what the Florida Surgeon General said the other day?
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Audience Member 5
Are you aware that over 2 billion people have taken the vaccine and there are incentives by other countries who have made their own vaccines to go against the United States and even Donald Trump himself?
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Charlie Kirk
So you don't know that. Yeah, he's Trump against me that's really rich. So the Florida Surgeon General said that the vaccine has caused an 84% increase in cardiovascular events for young men 18 to 40. Why would he say that?
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Audience Member 5
Well, if you look at the entire pool of people who have gotten the vaccine, it does actually.
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Charlie Kirk
So let's, let's do that. Raise your hand if you know someone that was harmed by the vaccine or had an adverse event. Look around.
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Audience Member 5
Well, 2 billion people.
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Charlie Kirk
Are they lying? No. Look around. That's a lot of people that have seen adverse events.
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Audience Member 5
So don't you think that if, if
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Charlie Kirk
it really was all a conspiracy?
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Audience Member 5
No, no. Let's say, let's say, let's, let's say it's not a conspiracy. Don't you think that the fact that like in your world, that this false vaccine has been distributed so like widespread throughout not just the United States, but the world demonstrates that the United States is a failed country? No, but I don't personally don't believe that the United States is a failed country. I like living in the United States, but I have faith in our institutions enough to say that a distributing a vaccine to 300 something billion people in the United States, that is false or that is like not safe to use.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, so what do you know about the vaers, the government database of vaers, the vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
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Audience Member 5
But I can go on the system and report whatever I want?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, no, actually it's a very long exhaustive process that takes 45 minutes to an hour. Hold on. Under penalty of perjury, to go to jail if you followed a false report and if you talk to them at a hospital, they say it's underreported. According to the government's website, 31,330 people died because of the vaccine. According to the government website, 179,806 people were hospitalized. 136,000 people were in urgent care, 16,100 with Bell's palsy, 10,064 with anaphylaxis and over 207,576 doctor office visits, 5,000 miscarriages, 16,000 heart attacks and 52,000 events of myocarditis and pericarditis. That is not a safe or effective vaccine.
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Audience Member 5
Do you think that if we compare those numbers to the total amount of people who got the vaccine, that it makes sense?
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Charlie Kirk
Say it again. I couldn't hear you.
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Audience Member 5
But you can, you can list like a large amount of people. Like 10,000 people. Sounds like a lot of people. Like a hundred thousand people. Sounds like a lot of people. But when you, when you divide that number by the amount of people who have taken the vaccine, then you can look at the statistical rate of that you do realize, compared to other vaccines and see it's the exact same thing.
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Charlie Kirk
If the flu shot has even six adverse events, they pull it from the entire field for adverse, it has six. So let me ask you a final question. So the Florida Surgeon General said the following. This analysis found that there's an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac related deaths among males 18 to 39 years old within 28 days following the MRNA vaccination. That's the Florida Surgeon General that has come out. Pfizer came and testified today and they said, we never tested the vaccine to be able to prevent the spread of the virus. Pfizer has admitted the booster shot was tested on eight mice. Does that bother you?
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Audience Member 5
Do you realize that there's variants? Right. The original COVID variant is the one
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Charlie Kirk
that they're saying, the mouse variant.
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Audience Member 5
No, we had the delta variant and we have the Omicron variant. Now, right in the beginning, the first variant of coronavirus is the one that they claimed the original vaccines stopped the spread of. Right. And then the delta waned that off and then Omicron rained that off even more. And now they don't say that. They say that it prevents hospitalization and death, which is still true.
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Charlie Kirk
Right? So here's the thing. I'm going to trust. Not just the data, not just the Florida Surgeon General, not just my own lying eyes. You looked around the room. People have experience after experience after experience. And by the way, if you think it works, God bless you, take it, have a great time. But I have a moral obligation as a communicator not to lie to you. And I'm looking at the data and I'm never going to back away from this position. And honestly, history is going to vindicate every one of us that told you not to take this. Thank you very much.
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Audience Member 7
Hey, Charlie, thanks for coming out. I got to admit, I was a little freaked out when you had all those numbers that you just pulled out. I was like, whoa, don't mess with Charlie. He has the facts ready to go. It's a little intimidating, right? But, and I have to say too, like on the last comment, even if there was only a 1% adverse effect, why are we mandating it then? Why are people losing their livelihoods, getting
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Charlie Kirk
kicked out, getting kicked out of the military for them.
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Audience Member 7
Exactly. But my question to you is,
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Leftist Audience Member
my
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Audience Member 7
question to you is, are you a nationalist and if you are, do you think nationalism is more leans more towards loving your people or loving the ideas
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Charlie Kirk
of your country under the proper description? Yes, I am a nationalist under the proper description because I think there's a lot of smearing and you should always value people more. Great. Thank you.
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Audience Member 7
That was the quickest answer here. Appreciate it.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Hi, good evening. I'll start by saying I'm a leftist, but I found common ground with you on abortion and that I completely agree that, you know, whatever you want to call it, a fetus, at whatever stage it is, it's alive. There's no contention on that front. My concern though, and I want to hear your perspective on this, is here in Texas we have the strictest abortion ban in the whole country. There's no exception for rape or incest or for the life of the mother after six weeks. My concern is that the government is mandating that people carry out their pregnancies even when it goes against their own life and their own well being. I can take an example of if somebody is threatening to harm you, you have a right to self defense. Why not have the same, give the same autonomy to people who are pregnant.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, thoughtful question. Thank you. So first thing is if you believe abortion is wrong, which you admitted it is. Well then you should obviously have laws that I'll clarify.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
I didn't admit that abortion was wrong.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
I see it as a form of self defense.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, Right. So that's a new one.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Well, as the, as the previous person says, that person inside of you is completely dependent on you in a way different than a natural born child.
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Charlie Kirk
So in most cases, rape and incest aside, how did that being get there?
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Leftist Audience Member 2
I mean, in most cases through sex, regardless of rape or incest.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So there was a choice made.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
I see your point. Even with a choice, let's say you invite someone into your home and they still decide to assault you, does that mean you not have a right to self defense against them?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, no, I think that for example, if you have a bunch of teenagers over to your home and they start wrecking everything, you shouldn't be shocked when all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and things are a little awry.
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Audience Member 4
But.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
So we're not just talking about wrecking a home, we're talking about wrecking your own body, your own personal autonomy.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, hold on again, rape and incest decide of which I'm happy to answer and happy to talk about the moral aspect of that, but 98% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control, right? It's a form of birth control. How did those people get pregnant?
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Usually through consensual sex.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. So they may, they, they are pro choice. They made a choice to have consensual sex and now they want to be able to use scientific medical technology to crush a being that is not them, is a different person out of convenience.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Let's say you have a child who is, who needs a kidney transplant and you are the only one who can supply it. And you can essentially allow them to use that kidney. What if the operation goes too long? They're still kind of using your blood for months on end. Should the government mandate maybe not kidney.
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Charlie Kirk
I love these hypotheticals. I got it. Not my earlier. I got the most amazing hypothetical. We don't have to overthink this. Like, why should children get the death penalty because their parents decided to have consensual sex? I don't understand.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Sir, even if you consent to say, taking care of your child through the, you know, transfusing blood or whatnot, should the government mandate that you have to continue that consensual blood transfusion?
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Charlie Kirk
Again, under the unrealistic hypothetical, and I reject the whole premise of this, the question is unrealistic. Let me answer it more Broadly, do I think the government should step in to protect and preserve human right? If by. Be it by mandating, Especially when the question is termination or not? Of course the answer is yes, but it says a lot when I. There's a. There's a very serious concrete question and kind of we have to yield to these abstractions, which is fine. Philosophical sides and the kind of. The hypotheticals are fine, are legitimate, I suppose in some sense, but it comes to be just more concrete. Right. Got a million abortions every single year, okay. 998,000 of them are because of a form of birth control. Do you find something wrong with that?
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Not necessarily.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, I think there is something wrong with that. I think that just looking at the last resort to be able to terminate human life as a form of birth control is not just sick, it's immoral. And it says a lot about who we are as a people and kind of the folding of culture, the folding of a cultural life in our nation. And so I'll just ask one final question. When does human life begin?
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Leftist Audience Member 2
It begins at conception. But that doesn't override the right to bodily autonomy and self protection.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, so that's interesting. So it does begin at conception. So does that mean someone who is larger than another being has the right to terminate them? Why is it bodily autonomy just because the being is in them?
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Leftist Audience Member 2
The size doesn't matter. It's the self defense. If a toddler is running a knife at you, you can knock it down, you know, it's you. I'm sorry, I'm kind of impromptu here, as we.
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Charlie Kirk
That's okay. Yeah, well, so I'll just close with this. Don't use that analogy again. Yeah, no, that was a.
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Leftist Audience Member
That was a bad one.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you for being here tonight. Thanks.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
Hey, thank you so much for coming out here and for like facing disagreements first, I guess. I really appreciate it.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
All right.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
I had another question coming up here, but I really. The bait is there and I have to take it. So I am also pro choice and I was wondering how, like you said to the previous dude back there, that the government, in cases where human life is at risk, should step in through any means necessary, be it through mandates, be it through bans, things like that. Right.
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Charlie Kirk
Again, that was a hypothetical answer. Let me clarify it. I think the government has a moral obligation to protect innocent life when confronted with the question of someone intervening to end that life. All right, so if a police officer standing idly by and he sees someone on the side of the street and someone is going by to about to kill them. The police officer, being an agent of the government, has a moral right to intervene.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
I'm sorry, I do have to take, like, a little bit of a caveat here. So the behavior of the police officers in the Uvalde shooting was disgusting.
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Charlie Kirk
Oh, I totally agree.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
Do you believe. Okay, sweet.
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Charlie Kirk
But guess what? I'm consistent. The cowardice that happened at Uvalde is the cowardice we allow to happen when there's a million abortions in our country every single year.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
All right, okay, okay.
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Charlie Kirk
Which is standing idly by when children unspeakably get massacred.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
I don't know. I think there's a bit of a difference. And the analogy that I usually use or the question that I usually ask pro life people is, do you believe that the government should mandate organ donation even in cases of, like, things like donating your kidney or. Right now we have a policy where even after death, if, you know, you have, like, religious things, where you have. Sorry, that's so mean. Where you know, your whole body has to be intact in order for, like, burial rights and things like that to happen, we say that you shouldn't have to donate your organs. But the pro life case seems to extend to the idea that even people who are living should have to give up their kidneys to people in hospitals, maybe, who need kidneys.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, I don't quite see it that way.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
What makes a uterus different?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, first of all, again, in 99.67% of the cases, the woman made a choice that could potentially.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
What about those? 0.4%? What do you think should happen then?
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Charlie Kirk
Oh, I think the baby should be delivered, of course. Because I'll give you an example. Let me just prove it to you. If I had two ultrasounds and one of them was a baby conceived in rape, and one was a baby conceived in consensual sex.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
Well, of course.
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Charlie Kirk
Which one is it?
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Pro Choice Audience Member
They. They look the same. I do. I do.
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Charlie Kirk
But you can't tell because they're both human beings. And in. In Western morality, of which I'm defending tonight, doing something wrong after something evil is never the right thing.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
So do you think that government should mandate organ donations?
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Charlie Kirk
No. And I think it's a false equivalency for more reasons than one. For a lot of different reasons. By the question of do I think the government should come in and protect innocent life from being slaughtered? Of course I do. Yes. And that's the answer. So, I mean, when it comes to mandating organ donations, I don't even see how that's applicable to the question because in 99.6% of the cases, 6, 7% of the cases, the mother made a choice to be able to get pregnant. Now, in the very small micron kind of case, then the case is that the human, the human life and the human being needs to exist to be able to exist.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
All right, I'm going to argue that different forms of birth control have different forms of effectiveness. And someone can. Could be like potentially on birth control using those control methods and it fails. Is that just a risk that like someone.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So I'm going to say something. This is how far our morality has gone. We need to teach kids to save themselves for marriage. And a lot of these problems wouldn't be having. And if you do decide to engage in consensual marriage before sex, before marriage and you get pregnant, that's the cost of the game.
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Pro Choice Audience Member
All right. Okay.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you for being here. Appreciate it.
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Audience Member 4
Howdy. This may be the hardest question all night, but I really have to ask it. So right now, on October 12, 2022, it is DeSantis or Trump right here.
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Charlie Kirk
We need an answer. I'll repeat it. I get it everywhere I go, so I need to, like, play the tape. Did you want to say anything else with that? No.
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Sponsor Representative
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Charlie Kirk
The question is, Charlie, will you support DeSantis or Trump in 2024? So, okay. Speaking personally, not on behalf of Turning Point usa, I'll say what I've always said, which is I'm a very loyal person. I told President Trump if he runs again, I'm going to have his back 100%. And I can't stand in politics when people are wishy washy and wavering. We had our Turning Point action straw poll and Donald Trump won with 78.7% of the results. But. And it's a very big one, I gotta tell you that Ron DeSantis might be a once in a generation leader. He's very special. And I don't know when, I don't know how, but I would not be surprised if he's President of the United States one day. And I think he would make a great president. But I'll close with this. I think he would make a good president. I know Trump was a great president and that's why I'm behind you. Thank you. Great answer.
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Audience Member 8
Thank you.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
So.
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Audience Member 2
Hi. Oh, you have to hold the mic.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay. He's actually my friend.
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Audience Member 2
I actually first heard of you through a Christian apologist I follow called Dr. Frank Turek.
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Charlie Kirk
He's special, he's great.
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Audience Member 2
He's awesome.
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Charlie Kirk
He's a great friend.
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Audience Member 2
My question concerns the hope and love we can have for America. I mean, we live in a country that has allowed for 63 million deaths through the abortion industry. And we have multiple industries and institutions that are built on lies and lust. And it seems as if the majority of American citizens either don't care or even approve of all of this. So where do you think we can go, the individual people, the church and the government to? Where can we go from having hope and love for our country at this point?
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Charlie Kirk
It's a very dark picture you painted. Congratulations. Anything else you want to add to that? Well, first of all, you know, I assume you're a Christian, and so, I mean, it's up to us Christians. There's two things. Christians can't be apathetic or cynical. I won't put up with it. You're secular. You could be apathetic and cynical. You're Christian. I'm not going to put up with it because you know how the story ends. And you have a great hope and you should always be working towards a great end. You should care about your nation. Jeremiah 29:7. Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in, because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare. Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation. Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Esther, Mordecai, all cared about the wealthy too. Yep, exactly. Yeah. Pray for your leaders by name because they're counselors to the king. And so look, I think we have a lot of hope. And the hope is not in the institutions, not in the FBI, it's not in the doj, it's not in the CIA, it's not in Facebook, it's not in Google, it's not in Goldman Sachs. My hope is in the energy and the spirit and the optimism of you. I mean, when I get to see in the American people traveling the country, hosting a national radio show, hosting a podcast, I'm nothing but hopeful. The spirit in the grassroots of the American people right now of all ages and backgrounds is so awe inspiring. And it doesn't take a majority. It doesn't. It takes 10 to 15% of a vibrant, hopeful, spirit filled group of people that can turn things around. And you know, we as Americans have done great things and there's something special about America. I will defend it at all, at all corners. And the thing that one of the things that makes America different is when something bad happens, we step up, is that we have it, you know, in our history to not be apathetic. We have exceptions to that rule, obviously. And my hope is in what I'm seeing across the country. My hope is in pastors rising up. My hope is in people that are starting to speak boldly. My hope is in parents showing up to school board meetings and challenging what is being taught in these local public schools. My hope is parents that are homeschooling. My hope is in our Turning Point USA chapter leaders that are starting these chapters that are in the grassroots, that are on high school and college campuses leaning in. That's what gives me hope. The institutions. Here's the cool thing about institutions. They come and go and they build and they crumble. But the spirit and the will of the people I think is stronger than any other time I've been doing this in one decade. And I think that resolve is only going to strengthen. So God bless you, man.
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Audience Member 2
Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
God bless you.
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Audience Member 9
hi Charlie, I'm Jamie and I'm actually from New York and I was one of the only conservative people in my school. So it's really cool to see you talk here. My question is, since we live in a world where big tech and digital tracking of payments and information dominates the avenues to being social, attaining many jobs and being in academia, do you think in my Lifetime. We'll see a world where cash is obsolete. And how do I protect my privacy of personal, personal information, such as vaccine status, while still being able to stay social and attain a corporate job and perhaps also enjoying other luxuries in which releasing this information is required?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, well, that's a great, great question. So let me kind of tell you, it's hard to do all those things, right? It's going to be hard to keep a corporate job and also keep all of your kind of medical information private, because for whatever reason, we decided to throw out HIPAA and ask everyone for their personal medical information about the vaccine, which never should have been allowed, in my personal opinion. But look, as far as the currency question, it's very important question. What PayPal announced and then what PayPal attracted should just scare everyone, regardless of political affiliation. Where PayPal came out and they said that if you engage in their definition of disinformation, they're gonna take $2,500 out of your account on violation. Now, they backed away from that. But this is a company that did $25 billion in revenue. How on earth did they ever get this approved through? You know, how did this get on a press release? How did this become policy? You just saw today, you might like him, you might not like him. You might think he's great, you might think he went too far recently, but Kanye west just got a, an alert from JPMorgan Chase. He's no longer allowed to bank at JPMorgan Chase. And that's wrong. I don't care what you think of Kanye West. To be able to shut somebody's banking system off because you don't like them or because they say something that, you know, you deem to not be appropriate. And so there's something very troubling about that. And so how do you protect against it? I don't think it's the end all be all. I don't think it's a solution everything. But I am a big fan of cryptocurrency. I think that blockchain, properly employed, can be a great hedge against tyranny. I think that the federal government is trying to make us cashless soon. And we have to resist, and I'm telling you, resist very loudly against the federal government trying to put forward a federal digital currency. It's a very, very big concern. It hasn't gotten a lot of focus on it. But a federal digital currency is a very big issue. We've already seen the intentional debasing of our currency. I don't agree with Libertarians on a lot of things, but the One thing I'm 100% on is, is the destruction of our money. I have to tell you, the Federal Reserve intentionally coming into our money system and creating money out of thin air and making you poor year after year after year through quantitative easing is something that we should all be very concerned about, I'm afraid. They're trying to get us closer to a currency reset. Reset. And so part of it is just owning assets that. Assets that can be moved quickly, that are transparent. That's one of the things that excites me about Bitcoin. Again, I'm not telling you to buy Bitcoin. If I did, I could get in trouble like Kim Kardashian did. Do whatever you want to do. I don't care. I think it's good technology, and I think. I think crypto can solve some of these problems. But their agenda is trying to get us to go cashless.
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Audience Member 9
And also, I remember over winter break last year when I was in New York, I couldn't even, like, enter buildings or eat in a restaurant. I still love a lot of other aspects of New York, and I was kind of hoping to stay there. Do you think it would be worth it or do you think, like, being unvaccinated and a conservative, like, it's just like.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, that's a good question. Only you can answer it. My question would be, where do you feel free and happy? And if you feel free in New York, God bless you. I gotta tell you, that's. That's not exactly what I feel when I go to New York, I feel a lot of things. That is definitely not it. So. But we can't. I have a mixed opinion on this. I. I have a couple things that I say that I totally contradict myself. This is one of them. So at one, I'll give one speech where I tell everyone to go move to red states, and then I'll give another speech where I say we can't have all the people leave red states, blue states, because we still need red thinking people, if you will, in those states. And so I contradict myself on that all the time because I see it both ways. I know I grew up in Illinois and I'm glad I don't live there anymore. And part of me feels bad that I left, but also, I think life is so important. You should try your best to live in a free society. And there's still some great states, Texas being one of them, that I think gets it. So God bless you.
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Audience Member 9
Thank you. Hi, Charlie. I'm here with a group of students from the UT Pro Life Club. So we're really thankful for your pro life stance. My question is about like phone addiction and sort of this switch to transhumanism that's going on in our culture right now. It's really worrying me with my generation that we're so addicted and we don't even realize it. So I was wondering your perspective.
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Charlie Kirk
That's a really, really great question. Thank you for your advocacy. The pro life group here deserves a lot of credit because based on what I saw today, you guys are up against a lot. Seriously, it's great. I'm not a fan of our digital pacifiers that have seemed to permeate our entire society. I really believe that we are participating in the largest and most cruel open air drug experiment in human history, which is to give these devices to 12, 13 and 14 year olds. There's some really great thinkers on this. Not political. You could just read Dr. Anna Lemke. You can go read Andrew Huberman, who I think is really smart. He spends a lot of time here in Austin. And they're very fair and they're very well cited and research. And they just talk about the neurological damage that staring at a phone will do, especially at a young age. And I look at it no differently than giving kids drugs. And so the one thing, and I wish that Marxist, I don't know if the leftist was here and I wish I would have said it. I would, I would also say, and this is if you want to talk about one of the great hockey stick correlations and not get too ahead of yourself if you look at suicide and depression or just kind of, what would be a kind of like a basket of how you would define mental health and like how you say, okay, good or bad, it went up like a hockey stick in 2013 as the iPhone was widely distributed. And again, I'm not a big causation correlation guy, but it's like, come on, what else could you possibly attribute? Like, what has changed the most in our day to day interaction at a restaurant in the last 10 years? Let's just be honest, right? I see entire families out to dinner and no one's talking to each other. I think it's deeply unhealthy, I think it's antisocial, and it's not even governmental or political in nature. So, I mean, just some stats I have here. 26% of car accidents are caused by smartphone usage. 31% of smartphone users in the US never turn off their phones. 45% of children aged 10 to 12 have a smartphone. 45% of teens feel addicted to their smartphone devices. It's bad for both boys and girls. It's especially bad for girls. I think TikTok is one of the worst things ever to come across the American technological landscape. I really do. And it's okay if you're addicted. I know some of you applauding are probably addicted. That's fine. I understand. And so just some. A final piece on this. I turn my phone off Friday night to Saturday night. I encourage all of you guys to take a phone Sabbath once a week. It's very freeing. It's awesome. It's a challenge, too, because you got to kind of figure out how to get directions and where to go. It's really fun. And you could do it. Just take one day a week and turn off your phone. Within three weeks, all of your friends will know you're unreachable by phone. From Friday night to Saturday night, you'll be in a grocery store and you, like, won't know what to do. When you're waiting in line, you're like, wow, this is how it used to be. It's very freeing. And just the final thing is this. I'm far from an expert, but if you read Dr. Anna Lemke's book Dopamine Nation, you will have a picture into how horrific the damage we're doing to give these kids devices. There's other books as well. Gary Wilson wrote an unrelated book, but important, especially for young men. Your brain on pornography or your brain on porn, may he rest in peace. He was a great thinker. But there's, like, this whole new genre of scientific thinking that I think is legit science, by the way, of people that are a little ahead of the curve diagnosing what I think is going to be 10 years from now, we're going to look back like, what were we doing giving all these kids devices? So you still have the power to turn off your phone. I know it's hard, but it's doing huge damage to young people in particular. Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Audience Member 8
Hi, my name is Jackson. I'm actually the editor in chief of our conservative paper on campus, the Texas Horn. So you'd expect me to agree with most of what you said, and I do. But there's one area of this agreement where I really feel need to push back, and that, of course, is on the vaccine. So I'd like to talk about your Florida study, which said an 84% in heart problems among young men who took the vaccine. So I was interested in this report and actually just googled it. And if you look in the chart on page six of the report, you see that the basis period is 17 deaths before due to these heart palpitations among men, 18 to 34, whatever it was. So an 84% increase from 17 deaths is bad, but it is nowhere near the 20 million plus who have been killed due to Covid. So I just like to hear, like, how you weigh that from an 84% increase from 17 deaths against 20 million plus killed by Covid. More, if not for the vaccine.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. So, and I'll repeat the VAERS data, right. The vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System from the government, right. Where it says there's 52,896 incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis. But let me ask you a. Let me ask it differently where I think we could come to a quick conclusion. Do you agree that myocarditis and pericarditis is increasing dramatically?
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Audience Member 8
I do, yes. From a very low base rate.
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Charlie Kirk
Right. Why?
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Audience Member 8
Well, I mean, obviously the vaccine is the prime suspect, but if you have a very rare disease and it increases by slight amount, then you have to make the trade off and say that something which is killing millions of people is worse.
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Charlie Kirk
No, no, no, I understand that that's a separate argument. Right. But do you agree that it's probably the vaccine that's causing these cardiac issues?
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Audience Member 8
That seems to be the most likely.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, so we agree the vaccine is causing heart damage. We don't know how much. Right. It says in The VAERS database 52896 Incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis. You saw the hands around the room. And just one other anecdotal thing. I asked my audience, I said, how many people in our podcast audience have instances of people that got the vaccine and mysteriously died or, you know, had heart attacks? We have like 10,000, 15,000 emails, one after the other. And I'll just, I would just encourage you go look at Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the nation's large, you know, leading cardiologists who has spoken out about this. Right. Dr. Robert Malone, and also previously uninterested in this topic, who I just think is great, Dr. Brett Weinstein, who hosts the Dark Horse podcast. He's a liberal. He used to be a professor at Evergreen State University, and I think his scholarship is great. So I don't want to, I don't want to redo the conversation we had previously, but thanks for being here tonight. Thank You. Thank you.
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Audience Member 6
Okay, so I'm one of the first agreeers. All the disagreers are first. So. But anyway, one thing I don't think is pushed strong enough by the pro life is adoption. Because, I mean, that kills it all entirely. There's so many families that want to adopt kids. And if you see a show like Long Lost Family, you see these people that reunite with their biological parents 20, 30 years after they're born and they live wonderful lives and they have two sets of parents and it's a wonderful thing. So if, you know, this whole discussion on, oh, the mom is going to be live a terrible life, she can't afford to have the child. But there are, I think, something like 30 families for every one child that's adopted that want kids. I think it needs to be pushed stronger.
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Charlie Kirk
I totally agree. And I want to shout out, my friend runs a great clinic in San Antonio, does a phenomenal job for the pro life movement. And by the way, I know we don't like the term crisis pregnancy center. Right. It's not our favorite term. But, you know, Dave McCaw does such a great job. And I got to tell you that the people that are on the front lines of this deserve a lot of credit. Elizabeth Warren says she wants pregnancy crisis centers to be shut down, which is unbelievable. But I'll say this, and I think you're right, and I didn't, I didn't make this point clearly enough earlier at the table. If we are going to advocate an end to abortion using the state or government, then we have to be there to make sure that every single child is taken care of through charity, through churches, and through resources. Necessary. It's morally imperative we do that. And adoption is that first step. God bless you. Sorry.
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Audience Member 6
Well, no, I've got, I've got more because if you, if you read Peter Zion's book, I mean, China's population is going to collapse in the next 20 years just because of the one child policy. I mean, we need to have kids. Your nation dies.
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Charlie Kirk
Population. The population collapse is coming here in big time. Well, we're.
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Audience Member 6
According to Peter Zion, we're doing okay. And there's. We've got immigration too.
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Charlie Kirk
I agree with Elon Musk. I think we're.
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Audience Member 6
You think it's declining? Okay, but we need to have kids regardless.
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Charlie Kirk
God bless you, man.
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Audience Member 6
But. Okay, but I, but I got one more.
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Charlie Kirk
We got to get to another one. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thanks.
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Audience Member 6
Hi.
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Charlie Kirk
Sorry, we're short on time, sir. Sorry.
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Leftist Audience Member 2
Hello.
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Audience Member 10
I'm asking a question for friends If I sound stupid, that's not on me. So let's agree that, like, abortion should be banned and this is the government's right to protect the rights of kids and whatnot. And so we see a lot of statistics where kids going into foster care homes or things of that nature tend to be abused or sexual abuse to a certain extent. So what would you say is the government's solution and role in this whole situation?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I'll piggyback on the kind of question previously, which is we have to change the way we do adoption in our country. I would, again, a lot of people find this to be, you know, terrible, but I will lean on this. I think we have to lean on the church who has the infrastructure and essentially these parachurch ministries, and they have the willingness to be able to do this and to support adoption. There are 2 million people right now that want to adopt in America. Two million people. And I bet that would double or triple if the pastors of this nation really challenge their congregation to lean in and to adopt. If you're going to be consistent as a pro life person, you have to come up with solutions. And the solution should be we have to make it financially easier to have children. We should go maybe as far as Hungary goes, which is to pay people to have kids. I'm not against it. I'm not. We should go as far to make sure that adoption is easy and seamless. And then we also have to individually and charitably step up to make sure that this idea of an unwanted pregnancy is a thing of the past. Thank you.
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Audience Member 10
Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
Appreciate it. I know you.
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Sponsor Representative
Yes, you do.
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Charlie Kirk
What's up, man?
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Audience Member 11
What's going on?
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Charlie Kirk
Great. Final question.
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Audience Member 4
Yes, yes.
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Audience Member 11
Quick question. You said we should stop talking about racism, but we have a problem in the country. You're not a racist. As often as I've been around you, you've never said anything that has been racist. But the left, they constantly say that you're racist. And if we don't talk about the problem that they're trying to create, it will never go away.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So what I was saying, and I think you'd agree, I'm exhausted with talking about race all the time. Right. But. And I'm happy to also push back on, like, who's actually the ones that are being racist and the people that are pushing black only dormitories in America, that's racist. Right. The people that are saying that we should have value on skin color and not content of character, that's racist. And so I'm just exhausted about talking about it all the time, honestly. Because I feel as if when you focus on those issues, like, man, we're just constantly talking about what divides us. Right? And I think you understand my heart in that way.
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Audience Member 11
Exactly. But it's only the left is constantly pushing that they're constantly pushing and I get it all the time. So thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
God bless you, man. Thank you so much. All right, everybody. This was a lot of fun. Couple things. Support your Turning Point USA chapter. They're doing an amazing job. I want to thank UT for hosting us nicely. Really appreciate that. Closing note. We live in a beautiful country. Do something about it. Make sure you're registered to vote. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for tonight. Just make sure you're registered to vote. Make sure you vote. A lot of people gave a lot for you to be able to vote in this country. Be an informed citizen. Stay engaged, stay involved. America is the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world. God bless you guys. Thank you so much.
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Audience Member 8
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Charlie Kirk
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