Charlie's 2024 THOUGHTCRIME Thanksgiving With the Crew

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Charlie's 2024 THOUGHTCRIME Thanksgiving With the Crew

Date: November 27, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk

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Overview

This festive episode brings together Charlie Kirk and his crew for a lively, tradition-filled "Thoughtcrime Thanksgiving." Eschewing typical headlines, the group dives into nostalgic stories, heated debates over Thanksgiving rituals, food purism, rites of passage, and the evolving culture surrounding the holiday. The episode balances humor, spirited disagreement, and a reflective gratitude for national traditions, with a particular focus on the importance and legacy of Thanksgiving in American culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: Thanksgiving Traditions & Uniforms

• The team opens with banter about their Thanksgiving attire, including turkey hats and Arizona State shirts (01:10–02:00).
• Charlie sets boundaries for the conversation: “Thanksgiving is not about what you want; it’s about what your ancestors did.” (12:44)

2. The Territorial Cup Debate

• Spirited discussion about the oldest college football rivalry and the Territorial Cup.
  • Tyler: “Arizona has the longest rivalry game in the country. The Territorial cup between Arizona State and Arizona. People don’t believe it.” (02:55)
  • Fact-checking ensues, with multiple rivalries and trophies brought up. The group agrees the Territorial Cup is the oldest rivalry trophy, not the oldest game (05:47, 06:10).

3. Thanksgiving Food Purism: Turkey, Sides, and Outrage

• Strong opinions emerge on permissible Thanksgiving meats:
  • “You must have turkey. It is required,” (Blake, 08:01).
  • Steak at Thanksgiving? “Not allowed.”
• Ham and steak are debated as secondary options; consensus: steak is right out for Thanksgiving, but fine for Christmas (09:01).
• Cranberry sauce: It must be “straight out of the can. Yes. Taken vertically with no adjustments.” (Charlie, 09:25)
• Stuffing vs. Dressing:
  • “Does the stuffing go in the turkey or is it prepared outside?” (Charlie, 09:50)
  • Dressing is outside, stuffing is inside, though everyone admits to using terms interchangeably (15:08–16:11).

4. The War on Sides: Casserole, Corn, and Sweet Potatoes

• Green bean casserole divides the table:
  • Charlie: “No, casserole. I never said casserole. The casserole is a...”
  • Crew: “Casserole is a staple. Absolute Thanksgiving thing.” (11:05)
• Sweet potatoes: Marshmallows are a “disgrace” (11:28).
• The only acceptable corn is “cornbread...you have to bend the knee to the corn God. And cornbread has to be either the dressing…” (Charlie, 11:54)

5. Thanksgiving Heritage: Tradition over Preference

• Charlie asserts: “It doesn’t matter if you don’t want cranberries, you don’t like turkey. Suck it up. It’s Thanksgiving.” (12:54)
• Reflections on food regionalization (e.g., jalapeno cranberries in Arizona) cause further playful argument (13:11).

6. Timing and Structure of Thanksgiving Dinner

• Lunch or Dinner?
  • Charlie: “Thanksgiving meal is both. Around 3:30 to 4:00 pm — that is the sweet spot.” (17:11)
  • Blake: “That is way too late. Neff family tradition is maybe 1 to 1:30 pm.” (17:29)
• Football:
  • Charlie explains the tradition of watching games, with mixed feelings about modern, commercialized football schedules on Thanksgiving (18:03–18:28).

7. Dessert: The Non-Negotiables

• Pumpkin pie is essential; whipped cream mandatory:
  • Charlie: “It is a non negotiable.” (17:07)
  • Others mention pecan pie, chocolate pecan pie, and a general calorie amnesty for the day (20:13–20:41).

8. Reflecting on National Gratitude & Thanksgiving’s Deeper Meaning

• Charlie: “Thanksgiving is one of America’s greatest traditions...a day just to give thanks.” (21:01)
• Discussion of the holiday’s roots—gratitude to God, the Pilgrims, and America’s unique national holiday for giving thanks.
  • Shout-out to Rush Limbaugh’s recounting of Thanksgiving’s true story. “They tried socialism. It failed. Then they gave people ownership...and then they had an overabundance of their harvest. And so they gave thanks to God.” (Charlie & Crew, 22:32–22:58)

9. Evolution (and Demise) of Black Friday

• The crew reminisces about the original “gritty” Black Friday, waiting until midnight in the cold for deals.
  • Charlie: “There was a grittiness to Black Friday. You had to earn it.” (25:58)
  • Internet and corporate greed are blamed for killing the classic shopping tradition.
  • Shift from accomplishment to convenience with Cyber Monday evokes nostalgia for lost rites of passage (27:42–28:41).
  • Crew share personal Black Friday and retail work stories, including working early-morning Target shifts (29:56).

10. Rites of Passage Lost to Technology

• The group laments the disappearance of youth milestones:
  • Calling houses and speaking to adults
  • Memorizing phone numbers
  • Navigating without GPS, using MapQuest or written directions
  • “Knowing the dial up sound is definitely a rite of passage...not having super fast Internet all the time.” (Charlie, 38:55)
• Several mention how these experiences built life skills and self-reliance.

11. Technology and the Brain: GPS, Memory, and Growth

• A fascinating discussion on how using GPS vs. memorizing directions shapes brain development.
  • Charlie references the “Knowledge” test for London cab drivers and cites research showing their hippocampus grows in response to strenuous mental navigation practice (41:09–42:33).
  • “Meaning that your brain can actually become better at a certain task.” (Charlie, 42:29)
  • Crew posits that reliance on GPS might literally make us less capable mentally (43:07–43:33).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk on Thanksgiving purity:

  “Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do. It is what your ancestors did...If you don’t like cranberries, you don’t like turkey—suck it up. It’s Thanksgiving.” (12:44–12:54)

• Blake on tradition:

  “You must have turkey. It is required...Any meat you have should be from like a central meat dispensing entity.” (08:01)

• Charlie on corn:

  “Corn has no redemptive value unless it is for Thanksgiving, because then it is a sacrament to Squanto.” (12:10)

• Charlie on gratitude:

  “I do not think you can have joy, I do not think you can have, be content if you’re not grateful. And I think it’s a beautiful thing, as a nation, we have a day to say thank you.” (21:52)

• On lost rites of passage:

  “Some of these other rites of passage...be home before dark...memorize the phone numbers of at least five people...I also think it was really important that when I used to call somebody’s house, I had to speak to an adult.” (Charlie, 34:50–35:32)

• On brain growth and navigation:

  “This is actually...the more you work it out, the same way like when you go to the gym and you’re like, ‘I’m going to focus on whatever muscle right here’...the more you work it out, your brain becomes better.” (Charlie, 42:35–43:06)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Thanksgiving Uniforms & Territorial Cup Banter (01:10–06:00)
• Thanksgiving Food Rules (07:35–13:32)
• Debate: Sides and Traditions (14:56–17:01)
• Dessert Decisions & Pumpkin Pie Mandate (16:30–17:07)
• Timing of the Thanksgiving Meal & Football (17:11–18:28)
• Black Friday: The Good Old Days (25:08–28:41)
• Lost Rites of Passage (34:50–36:36)
• Maps, Directions, and GPS vs. Memory (38:55–43:33)
• Farewell & Gratitude Reflection (44:01–end)

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is marked by friendly mock-debate, playful nostalgia, and a reverence for American tradition. Listeners get a front-row seat to debates on what truly constitutes a “traditional” Thanksgiving, why rites of passage matter, and how technology has transformed—and sometimes diminished—these holiday experiences.

If you want to relive American traditions, get worked up about canned cranberries, or simply enjoy Thanksgiving table banter, this episode embodies all that's chaotic, cherished, and character-building about the holiday.

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Happy Thanksgiving from The Charlie Kirk Show.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hello.

[A]

It is Thought Crime week. It is Thanksgiving week, and we are here. By the way, the official uniform of Thought Crime this week is the Thanksgiving uniform.

[C]

I decided to go as Charlie Kirk for this Thanksgiving. I didn't. I didn't fully shave. I might later. And then. And then, like your hair thing where you do like the down up.

[A]

Hey, it's the natural color.

[C]

It's like a nice. It's like a Nike swoosh.

[A]

It is. It's. I have it to have it trademarked.

[C]

Is that why you only wear Nikes?

[A]

I actually don't only wear Nikes, but I should. So we also have Blake and Tyler as well. What are they wearing? Let's see.

[D]

I'm wearing my turkey hat.

[B]

I believe this is a Kirkland shirt. I don't actually have a Costco membership, but I'll be honest, my mother buys a lot of shirts for me.

[D]

I'm wearing my turkey hat, my native American shawl.

[B]

I hear all you guys in there.

[D]

And then my Arizona State T shirt. Because we're going to the big Tall championship. Unless things go awry on Saturday.

[A]

Well, maybe. Hold on, Tyler. You know the story of Arizona football. Whatever. Is predictable. No, Tyler knows this. They will curse whatever inevitable path they have. They mess it up. It is an inevitability of Arizona State football.

[D]

I've got a front row seat, Charlie, on Saturday with my two brothers right behind Kenny Dillingham. So. And down in Tucson.

[B]

This is a very dumb question.

[A]

Oh, you're going. Going down to like.

[D]

I'm going down to Tucson and front row seat.

[C]

I like Tucson.

[D]

So it's going to be a miserable drive.

[A]

Not know what you.

[B]

This is a dumb question. Have you never gone to ASU football game? Did they just, like, suffer in complete agony for their first, like, three home games of the season? Because, you know, it's a. Oh, no.

[A]

They do evenings. Evenings.

[D]

They do them in the evenings.

[B]

Still 95 degrees in Arizona.

[D]

It's a nice brisk 98. But here's the factoid for everybody that's listening. Arizona has the longest rivalry game in the country. The Territorial cup between Arizona State and Arizona. People don't believe it. Look it up.

[A]

No way. Oregon. Oregon State has to be.

[D]

No, I'm looking up. Territorial cup is the longest recognized NCAA.

[B]

Football played or long.

[C]

See, now he's at. And here come all the caveats.

[B]

The oldest. Is it like the oldest that has.

[A]

How is it older than 1873?

[C]

No, Yale Princeton is pretty.

[A]

I mean, Yale Princeton was 1873.

[D]

No, but the rivalry game.

[C]

I'm surprised not older than that.

[A]

Yale Princeton is a rivalry game. They hate each other.

[D]

You have to look up the Territorial.

[A]

Montana, Montana State, 1897.

[C]

That's pretty old.

[A]

We were before Illinois state. Eastern Illinois, 19.

[C]

Arizona wasn't even a state back then.

[A]

It was before.

[D]

That's why it's called the tier.

[C]

Be an Arizona State. Because there wasn't a state.

[B]

That's why I'm looking online and it says the duel in the desert is just 1899. And there's many rivalries that are older than 1899.

[D]

No, look up territory.

[B]

Look, it's Michigan, Notre Dame, 1887. Duke, North Carolina, 1888.

[C]

Guys, guys. It's the oldest one that Tyler knows. No, no, no, no.

[D]

Look, Google Territorial Cup.

[B]

Ar. Navy Game, 1890. I. I feel like the Army Navy, like they're. And they're still going.

[D]

Territorial cup, the nation's oldest rivalry trophy.

[B]

Oldest trophy. That's so they.

[D]

You can't really have a cup without a trophy.

[B]

You could just spiritually have one.

[D]

That's it. So. And that's. And that was territorial. That's why it's called a Territorial cup.

[B]

Sounds like your territorial.

[D]

Arizona State was the normal school and that was it.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[D]

I'm not saying it's good football. I'm just saying it's.

[B]

It's. I have, by the way, since it is a Thanksgiving Day episode, I wanted to flag that we have all something very important to be grateful for. Remember Real raw News, Charlie, 1912. You remember real Raw News, America's only trustworthy news source. Yes, they have a breaking report today, just before Thanksgiving. Special forces have arrested Kamala Harris. She has come back from her vacation in Hawaii, but they. They nabbed her. According to the story, there were moles inside of her secret service detail, and they couldn't get her in Hawaii. I guess Hawaii is like the deep state safe zone where they control things. But they got her back to DC which is also a deep state safe zone, but not as safe. And so they managed to take her into custody. She and Doug Amhoff will be sent to Gitmo to stand trial for treason. I. I'm glad real raw news was able to get.

[C]

Happy Thanksgiving.

[B]

Happy Thanksgiving, gentlemen.

[A]

We got him.

[C]

I was worried that she might be out there making.

[A]

So Tyler's half right. It's the oldest trophy. It's the oldest trophy. That is. That is legit. So it is the oldest trophy. I mean, it's territorial cup.

[D]

It's pretty impressive trophy.

[B]

It sounds like it's a cup.

[D]

Nothing's old in it.

[C]

Yeah, no, he's right. The territorial cup was created 125 years. 1999 championship.

[A]

It's the oldest rivalry trophy in college football. But what.

[C]

What was the school even called before?

[A]

I. I don't know.

[D]

ASU was called the normal school. It was called the normal.

[A]

It was called Tempe. It was literally called Tempe Normal. Tempe Normal in Arizona.

[D]

Huh?

[B]

The territorial cup is so old that it literally is like a cup.

[C]

It looks like a teachers college, too.

[B]

It looks like a vase that.

[A]

I'm actually impressed. I didn't. I thought no one lived in Arizona till like 1930. No, my.

[D]

My ancestors were there.

[A]

And it was literally just two football teams.

[C]

Prior to 1912, it was just two football teams. Arizona's population that you had to replace someone on the team.

[B]

Arizona's population in 1890 was 88,000 people.

[D]

When your family moved here, we chased twice as many. More than twice as many.

[C]

65% of them were related to. To.

[D]

I'm a seventh generation Arizona.

[B]

When did. When did the old show up here?

[D]

It wasn't boy. It was lambs and. And those people. But they was this 1860s.

[B]

186. In 1860, the population of Arizona was 482 people. That is.

[D]

That is OG second cousins with sheriff lamp.

[E]

Yep.

[B]

Man, now there's 6,000. There's, like, probably more than that within, like a couple blocks of here.

[D]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[A]

Okay, guys, we have to talk about Thanksgiving. Is it okay to eat steak on Thanksgiving?

[B]

I really worry not if it's the.

[C]

Only thing you eat on.

[B]

No, no, that's incorrect. Incorrect. No.

[C]

Not allowed.

[B]

No. You can have. Tyler and I were discussing this.

[C]

You're saying. Not at all.

[B]

Not at all. Not at all. You can have. You must have turkey. It is required to have turkey. You may have ham if it is supplementary to the turkey. But, like, it should be. Any meat you have should be from like a. A central meat dispensing entity. You cannot have individualized servings of meat. That is. That is my position on this.

[C]

Steak is not from a central meat.

[B]

No, like, you don't. You don't make a giant. You don't make like a 50 pound steak and then take like a piece of it and like pass the giant super steak around. Like, that's what you do with ham or turkey. Like, you make the whole turkey or you make the whole ham and then you cut a little bit of it. But you don't do that with steak.

[C]

No, but that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You can have a separate serving of a plate of steak for people you just. Similar to the ham.

[B]

No, it's just wrong. Like.

[D]

No, because ham is. Ham is like supplement to the turkey taste. You have to have turkey and ham on your plate.

[B]

You don't need hands.

[D]

No, you don't need hands. You have to have.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm a turkey purist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But some people think that they can start to get really. Now, Christmas is a completely different ball game.

[D]

Totally.

[A]

There are no rules with Christmas. Ham is usually center. But steak is acceptable. Yeah, but no, but still, Christmas is a whole Thanksgiving. It is un American not to have either turkey, some sort of dressing, cranberries. But here's the thing about the cranberry thing. If you want to be an ultra traditionalist.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It must be straight out of the can. Yes. Taken vertically with no adjustments. And now if you want to have this.

[F]

Wait.

[A]

If you want to have. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And if you want to have cranberry with adjustments, that could be supplementary. But however, it must be out of the can and you just take it vertically and it just jiggles.

[C]

Walk me through your stuffing.

[A]

The stuffing is very interesting. Okay, now here's the big question.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Does the stuffing go in the turkey or is it prepared outside of the turkey?

[D]

Is that stuffing versus dressing?

[C]

And then put it in. Cook it with the turkey or some people will prepare it and then just put it in for like the final.

[A]

See, that's. That's a final leg. You gotta go the full lantha. So it. I. Dressing has to be obviously, cornbread.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Some sort of celeries and carrots.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Sausage.

[C]

Need your crunch.

[A]

Little crunch. Mix that all together. But you know what makes the stuffing really kicker? The gravy.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And so you need the gravy. You have the stuffing. You have the jiggling cranberry. You got the turkey, and that's all that's accepted. And then also maybe green beans. And then sweet potatoes.

[C]

Creamy casserole.

[B]

How do you make.

[A]

No, no, no. See, now we're getting.

[C]

What's the issue with green bee casserole?

[A]

I. I just. I just. It's not. It's not allowed.

[C]

What do you mean it's not.

[A]

You're getting too cute.

[D]

Oh, green bean casserole with.

[C]

It's a staple. It's a total staple.

[B]

With the.

[A]

With the. No, no, with those little crunchy on top. Never. Fried onions.

[D]

Fried onions.

[C]

Fried onions.

[A]

No, no, I like what. I like the long, uninterrupted, unblemished green beans with butter. With butter. Yeah. That's good, though.

[C]

Those are good.

[A]

No, casserole. Casserole. I never said casserole. The casserole is a.

[C]

No, we are saying casserole is a staple. It's an absolute Thanksgiving things.

[A]

I don't think It's a staple. 100, and then. Let me think. What else? Okay, yes, then the sweet potatoes.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

But none of this marshmallow stuff. You see, this is new age, and it's a mistake. We're all of a sudden full trad. No, no, it's a mixture of. It's like 1950s Thanksgiving.

[C]

Right?

[A]

It's like. That's why it's like the gel. You know, it's.

[C]

No, no, I'm saying no marshmallows.

[A]

No, no, no marshmallows. The marshmallow thing is. Is a disgrace with.

[C]

Well, Charlie, hold on a second, though, because there is one thing. Wait, wait, wait, wait. There is one thing. One dish that we know for a fact was served at the original Thanksgiving. Charlie, you know where I'm going with this small pox. No, no, no, Charlie. Not what. Not what we served. What was served to us.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

Corn.

[A]

Oh, see, no, no, no.

[C]

Corn was served at the original.

[A]

The only corn that is acceptable is cornbread. I will say you have to bend the knee to the corn God. And cornbread has to be either the dressing, the stuff. Stuff. Do you agree, Tyler?

[C]

Longtime thought crime listeners will remember that Charlie is.

[A]

Is. Is like Blake Radicalized me.

[C]

Cornite.

[A]

I. I think. I think corn has no redemptive value unless it is for Thanksgiving, because then it is a sacrament to Squanto.

[D]

No, no. Corn is good in the summertime.

[B]

We. We eat corn on Thanksgiving to show our thanks that the angry corn God has not destroyed us.

[D]

No corn. Corn on the cob.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Is summer.

[A]

This is exactly right.

[C]

I forgot his name. I forget the corn God's name.

[A]

No, no. We're not talking about corn on the cob. We're talking about corn elements. Corn bread, for example.

[E]

Cornbread.

[C]

Even.

[B]

Even.

[C]

Wait, wait, wait.

[E]

Even.

[C]

Charlie Kirk like corn.

[A]

Wow. No. This is what Thanksgiving.

[C]

This is big. This is.

[A]

Let's be very clear. Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do. It is what your ancestors did.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

It doesn't matter if you don't want the cr.

[E]

It is the.

[A]

No, that's what I'm saying. It's not about. I don't care about. If you don't like cranberries, you don't like turkey. Suck it up. It's Thanksgiving. There is no this.

[E]

We.

[A]

This modernity. Like, I'm going to put, like, steak Tano doesn't.

[C]

Tanya will not eat turkey.

[A]

She won't. It doesn't matter.

[C]

She'll make it.

[A]

She won't figure it out.

[C]

She won't eat it.

[D]

So here in Arizona, I don't know.

[A]

What to tell you.

[D]

I completely agree with Charlie think the canned cranberry is a must on the table. However, you have to have. You have to have a sec. In Arizona, we have jalapeno cranberries. Incredible. If you haven't had it.

[A]

See, now you're regionalizing this. Too much?

[D]

No, it's good.

[A]

No, no, no, no. This.

[D]

It adds a little spice. It's just a little bit.

[A]

It.

[B]

Like when I went to the Grand Canyon last summer and I discovered that I guess they just sell, like, prickly pear everything at every Arizona.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's anywhere. Chickens, really.

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[D]

So I have a question for everybody though, and this is getting deep into the weeds. So we talked about stuffing or dressing. Moist stuffing or dry stuffing.

[A]

It's got to be dry, but the gravy makes it moist. If you make it too moist before the gravy, you could always make it.

[D]

More before the gravy.

[A]

You can't. You. It has to be on the spectrum of tilt. Moist, but not too much because if it's too dry, then it's just. It's too brittle and brittle. There's nothing worse than brittle dressing.

[F]

So.

[D]

So you call it dressing.

[A]

It's.

[C]

I'm noticing that you call it dressing.

[A]

It should be stuffing. However, I've been corrected many times. I've always called stuffing, even though it's not technically stuffing. Unless it's within the turkey.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Dressings outside the turkey stuff.

[A]

No, it's not. No. I grew up calling it stuffing, even though we never put it in the turkey. No, but it's the.

[C]

I mean, I get that, but the. The type of food would be called still stuffing. Dressing is like for salads.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

Dressing is outside. It's cooked on its own tray.

[C]

I reject that completely.

[B]

Stuffing is like a type of food and it, like, it should be used to stuff in it, but it is still stuffing. Even if it's not doing the stuff.

[D]

Dressing is outside.

[C]

We don't use the name properly, but we. But we still call it that because.

[A]

It used to be. I'm excited for Thanksgiving at this point. This is great. So we're.

[C]

People know we're pre taping this. Yeah, we are. We are. No, today is.

[A]

We are in the studio.

[B]

We blew off Thanksgiving.

[D]

We're supposed to be eating right now.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So now let's. Let's now go to the more fundamental question.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Dessert. Okay. Because that really is.

[C]

What do you need to say? Well, for me, I mean, if I have, I have.

[E]

All right, go ahead.

[A]

No, no, you go. You good? No, this is.

[C]

I have. I have at times, and my mom knows this. I have left the house, gone to the store and purchased the ingredients for pumpkin pie and brought it home and made it myself because there was no pumpkin pie available. It is required.

[A]

Oh, I, I completely agree. It is like 100. The first commandment of. Oh, yeah, Thanksgiving. Oh, yes. Thou shalt have pumpkin pie. With whipped cream.

[C]

With whipped cream.

[A]

It is a non negotiable. Right.

[C]

If it's not there. Like, I, I, I got up, I got in my car. I was like, I'm just gonna go.

[A]

Now. Ryan asks a really good question. Is Thanksgiving meal a lunch or a dinner? The answer is both. Around 3:30 to 4:00pm yeah. That is the sweet spot. Right as the sun is going down in Chicago.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Boom. You sit down. Right.

[B]

That is way too late.

[A]

Is.

[C]

It is itself its own meal.

[B]

That's way too late. You do it. I would say Neff family tradition is maybe 1 to 1:30pm.

[E]

Early.

[A]

No, no. But then half time of the second football game.

[C]

When do you go to the second? Like 5.

[A]

No. Yeah, the first. Then the first football game is the Lions. The Cowboys are always second. We, we have a tradition in our house. Halftime at Cowboys. We get seated because we're cheering that the Cowboys will lose.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Well, that's good. But no, it's, that's just way too.

[C]

We share this tradition as well.

[A]

Like, oh, TV's off during the meal.

[B]

Yeah, like, no, I, I greatly dislike the, like, TV sanctification of Thanksgiving. Like, I don't know. I would watch. I would consider it, like, if the packers are on, I would watch the packers, but I do not consider it essential to watch now. There's three games on Thanksgiving.

[C]

Well, we usually have, like.

[A]

No, this is true. There has been a desecration. It used to be only two games, and it was on Fox. It would be the Lions, who used to be bad, and now they're good. And actually, who do they play this week? Let me see. I bet it's actually pretty good lineup. And then it was the Cowboys, but now NBC got greedy because it was. Fox had their game, CBS had their game, and then NBC got greedy and they snuck in their own. So is that this week? No. Okay, let me see here. What do we got? We got a new week of football. Okay. There's three games. Oh, Blake, you're in luck.

[B]

Yeah, I Know. I know. I'll see. It's the evening.

[A]

Dolphins are visiting Lambeau. Okay, I'm gonna be watching that. Oh, and Chicago plays on Thanksgiving.

[E]

Ah.

[C]

Oh, they're gonna get.

[B]

They're gonna get annihilated. They're gonna die at Detroit.

[A]

It's gonna be Detroit.

[C]

That's. Yeah.

[A]

By the way, you could tell who's having a better season. Tickets start at ford Field for $181. Tickets start at Jerry Stadaman, 28 bucks.

[C]

Yeah. My. My son asked me the other day because he saw when we went to the. The Eagles game, and he was, like, all jealous that we went, and so he was like, oh, daddy, give me some Eagles tickets. We'll go. And so we looked up the ones for Thanksgiving weekend, and I was like, I gotta sell a lot more pillows.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, Eagles tickets right now are. It was 500. Was, like, the highest nosebleed.

[A]

311 is where they start at.

[C]

Insane. Yeah. This week you're seeing what, 311. And that's in Baltimore. But Baltimore, so close. You're basically. You're basically in the silly light, right? Yeah, you're pretty much in. It's like 90 minutes. You know, the way I drive, it's 90 minutes.

[A]

Okay, so now that we have develop.

[B]

By the way.

[C]

By the way, I don't want to throw my mom under the bus, because every single year. And I know she's going to watch this every single year. Post that. There's, like, a selection of pumpkin pies.

[A]

That is always available the way it must be. By the way, do you think that pecan pie can also make an appearance? Of course.

[C]

Yeah. Other pies can be there, but pumpkin.

[A]

Is the only pecan pie. I actually prefer more than pumpkin pie. However, I must have a slice of pumpkin pie.

[C]

Wait, were you always like that, though, when you were little?

[A]

My mom makes a killer pecan pie.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Like, destroys the world.

[B]

Okay, what about.

[A]

What about.

[C]

So when I was younger, I was always pumpkin, but then, well, pecan pie.

[A]

Now. Now we're getting into chocolate pecan pie. And that's where you just surrender.

[C]

You're just done at that point.

[A]

It's just.

[C]

So you throw. You throw. Because, guys, you know, folks who don't know Charlie, you're usually pretty strict with your diet.

[A]

You're usually strict. It's like. I mean, you're usually like, no, no, no. But Thanksgiving's different. Thanksgiving, you go all in, and it is. It is a holy day. By the way, I think Thanksgiving is one of America's greatest Traditions. It is, because it's a day just to give thanks. I think it's uniquely awesome.

[C]

Talk about that for a little bit, because there's, you know, a lot of people say, well, it's, you know, it's just about the. You know, it's the Indians, it's the pilgrims.

[A]

Well, everything is what you make.

[C]

Who cares? Who cares? There's no God involved. Why. Why do you.

[A]

Well, not. First of all, the pilgrims were definitely giving thanks to God. They were. They were not giving, you know, thanks to Brahman, but they're giving thanks to the almighty God. And. But yeah. Secondly, I just think it's amazing, especially during this season where we have such abundance and we won the election, that there's a day where you just stop and you say thank you, which then of course, acknowledges you're saying thank you to a higher power. And I. I don't know of another nation or another country that has a day of gratitude. I think I just actually said this once, and I guess there was like some random African country that has it, and that's fine. I got, like, in trouble for saying this last year. Yeah, okay. So fine. I. I guess Senegal has a day like that. I'll look it up.

[C]

However, great job, Senegal or whatever, but following in some good footsteps.

[A]

But a day of gratitude. I subscribe to the Prager. Hopefully he's doing better. He's fighting like crazy right now. Belief. He's really struggling that happiness is impossible if you are not grateful. And I believe that. I do not think you can have joy. I do not think you can have. Be content if you're not grateful. And I think it's a beautiful thing. As a nation, we have a day to say thank you.

[C]

We have to jump on the nation who always. Who always gave us the story of Thanksgiving. Real quick notice. Real quick. You know, shout out to the OG who always told us the true story of Thanksgiving. Rush Limbaugh.

[A]

Oh, man. He was an OG on that.

[C]

He just did every year. I still got. I've got a recording of it somewhere. We used to play it and I.

[A]

Gotta relist, try to.

[C]

So good.

[A]

Send that me. Send it to me tonight. I gotta retry to recreate it.

[C]

I. I did something on the show last year where I sort of like, I. I didn't try to do it like Rush did it, but I told the story, and people just have to keep telling that story over and over. And they tried socialism. It failed. Then they tried giving people ownership of their various plots of land. And then they had an overabundance of their harvest. And so they gave thanks to God.

[A]

What a concept.

[C]

What an incredible concept. But instead, now it's all like, oh, the Pilgrims were dying, and the Indians had to come, and they saved the Pilgrims because they were stupid. Europeans didn't know anything. Even though Squanto had actually lived in Europe, even he had been in London more recently than the Pilgrims had. So he spoke English so well. But of course, you know, facts are.

[A]

Blake, you were saying something.

[B]

Well, so first of all, I was saying we should make fun of Canada for having their knockoff Thanksgiving that is just one month before ours. I think we should always seize every opportunity to bully Canada because it's fun. And. But also, even, like, the full story of Thanksgiving because evil liberals always want to dunk on it, like, it's even more beautiful than just the Pilgrims doing it. When they settled here, like, the very first, like, annual Thanksgiving national holiday, Fourth Thursday in November, like clockwork. That was started by Abraham Lincoln in 1863, middle of the Civil War, the peak of the Civil War. I think that's probably the bloodiest year of the Civil War. And he says that, yes, like, in the middle of this, we're going to have a celebration of national Thanksgiving. And, like, that was what set it as a national holiday. George Washington declared a day of Thanksgiving. It's truly, you know, it's a great thing because it is possibly the one great national tradition that was created in America that we have had for the entire history of America that is just totally our own thing. And then us being America, we have exported it to the rest of the world in various ways. Someone was very shocked to learn I was talking to a foreigner who was like, wasn't Black Friday this week? No, no. Black Friday is this week. And it's kind of terrible now. Yeah.

[C]

I used to be a Black Friday person, but now it's. I'm done.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's awful. It's just so awful. And it's not even Black Friday anymore, because Black Friday, there's like. Well, Charlie, given everything that you just said about the importance of Thanksgiving, what do you think about the people who leave Thanksgiving dinner early to go and start shopping?

[A]

First of all. First of all, I totally. When I grew up, it was actually Black Friday. Yeah. Now it's like Black Thursday evening. Right.

[C]

And it's not like you start lining up, like, the sales actually begin.

[A]

It's actually interesting for younger listeners that don't know, after so many people got trampled in the Walmart raids because people Would line up. They keep the stores open. Right. They don't close them and reopen them.

[C]

Because it used to be the Walmart would close and then, and then all.

[A]

The, all the deals and the sales would be set and then people would get trampled so much. I think someone almost died and they got hospitalized and people did lawsuits.

[C]

This is the plot of that.

[A]

This is the blood people die. Is that right? I didn't know that.

[C]

Yeah, people died that I didn't know they died though. There's that. Thanks. Thanksgiving horror movie. This is actually the plot where people get killed and then like someone's getting revenge on the people who started the, the stampede.

[A]

So. So I, I had no problem with like you have a really, really good Thanksgiving and then you want to get good deals on stuff. And I think that was fine. It was like a good kickoff to the Christmas season. But. And it used to be when I grew up there was a grittiness to Black Friday. Yeah. There was like a took. It took real spirit. So you have to understand like I grew up in Chicago. It would always be like sub 20 degrees. And if you wanted to get a Black Friday deal, you had to earn it. So you had to like leave with your family at like 10pm after all that turkey's full. And you like stood in line at Target from the open their doors at 12:01. Yeah, right. And you would like shop all night and you would like get 711 coffee and get home by like 5am and you felt like I earned this deal. And it was like, it was like a sense of accomplishment and you know.

[C]

What I mean, you had to have. There was like a limit to what you could get.

[A]

Of course. No. And it was very narrow. And it was like one specific. We would go through catalogs and go through what was on sale. This was all before Internet. I want to throw to Blake in a second. But there was.

[C]

The Internet ruined it.

[A]

There was also. There was a divide and conquer strategy of what stores are we going to hit? Are we gonna go to Best Buy? Are we going to go to Home Depot? Because like and you're shopping for other people and there was like a real like conquest like chess game.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[A]

It's like, oh wow. Best buy opens at 11:30 and Walmart's @ midnight.

[C]

My, my strategy would always be like I would find the one store that was like within a 45 minute drive but in like a like a non populated area. So much people think about or like a staples because nobody thinks that staples would have stuff but they do have computers and different, you know, hot items. So like what are, what's the thing that people aren't going to think about? And that's where I'm going to go.

[A]

And now you just wait for Cyber Monday and click a couple buttons and so all the adventure of it and you don't earn it anymore. It used to be you'd get home at 3:30 in the morning. You're like, I got a good deal on screen tv. It was, it was a teenage rite of passage in suburban Chicago. Blake, your thoughts?

[B]

Yeah, it was really. I can still think of like individual things I went out of my way to get on Black Friday Friday. I think I still have a PlayStation 3 that I got in 2011. I think I can remember the exact deal. It was a PS Slim, $250. It came with Little Big Planet and like some crummy ratchet and clank game, who cares? But like that was the best deal you could get for I think like two years after that point. But what ended up killing it was as you said, you know, you were, you'd go for the time it used to be, okay, it was on Black Friday, normal hours. Then they would open it at like 6am in the morning and people would show up before then. Someone got ahead and made it, oh, let's open exactly at midnight. And then what finally killed it? I think the rise of the Internet was a factor. But another thing that killed it was companies decided to get so greedy and they just said, we're doing Black Friday on Thanksgiving. And they would just be open on Thanksgiving with those deals. And I think to America's credit, there was popular backlash to this where they're saying, wait, you're forcing employees to skip Thanksgiving to come in and work on Thanksgiving. Though I must hedge, I have to be personally grateful for the fact that some that stores are open on Thanksgiving. Some of them because I visited a friend, this is about 10 years ago, I went down to a friend in Tennessee for Thanksgiving and I took a megabus down. You know, poor, we have to travel by bus. I took a megabus down and I had a bag under it. And we, I had to get off in Chattanooga, which was the final destination was Atlanta. And they get out and they're like, okay, where's your bag? I'm like, oh, it's under the thing. And they open it and they, they feel around, they're like, ah, yeah, we can't find it. We have a schedule to do. We have, we have to go. And they just drove away with My bag with all of my changes of clothes and I arrived late Wednesday night. So I had to go to a Walmart, which thanks to American capitalism, was open on Thanksgiving. And I had to buy an entire set of clothes for the whole weekend.

[D]

So I had that perspective. I actually, one of my first jobs was in high school. I took the, the seasonal job at Target. And my first day, like first real day was Thanksgiving or Black Friday. So I had to wake up after Thanksgiving when I was like sophomore in high school at like literally 4am I to be at Target at 4:30, help stock everything. This was still in the days that they still open the doors like Charlie was talking about before, they just like leave it open or open like super early. And there would be like, I get there at like 4 o' clock and there would be a line wrapped around the building of people waiting to get in. And we had to stock everything.

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[B]

So here's a crazy story. So you guys, there's a myth that Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. And you know why that's a myth? Because the real truth is. The real truth is that Thanksgiving is the day before Black Friday. And that is because. Let me finish the story. This is because I am not making it up. The current date of Thanksgiving is because of, like, an evil plot by fdr. No, I'm not making this up. So Lincoln's Proclamation of Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving is on the last Thursday of the month. Yes, it is on the last Thursday. Right? It is not on the last Thursday. It's. It is currently on the fourth Thursday of the month. That is what the federal law is. So there are sometimes five, which requires a Friday. So there are sometimes five Thursdays in November. And then it would be on the fourth. It used to be on the fifth. And then during the Great Depression, I believe in 1939, FDR got in his head, if there is a longer, like, if there's a longer time between Thanksgiving and Christmas, there will be a longer Christmas shopping season. And so people will shop more and this will stimulate the economy. And so he intervened and he moved Thanksgiving to be a week earlier. And this became a partisan political issue. And so for a few years, Republican states said, we're not doing this and we're refusing to go along with it. So you had a Democrat Thanksgiving on the fourth Thursday and you had a Republican Thanksgiving on the fifth one. And I think Texas, because they are a Democrat state, but had a lot of, like, conservative Democrats who didn't like fdr. They called the truce and they just had, they said they're both holidays and they had two Thanksgiving. And then sadly Congress submitted and now it's just on the fourth Thursday and we, we lost that culture war battle.

[C]

But what you were saying, though, what you were saying, though, there's a deeper. And producer Faz talks about this all the time. His birthday was this week, by the way. Shout out to. He calls it micro wins. Micro W's. And how. So, Charlie, you'd appreciate this is that like in, in your teenage years and, and working retail, you know, used to be part of this too, but in your teenage years there used to be a variety of things that you would do as a rite of passage that have all been pretty much completely destroyed because of new technology. One of those, of course, was waiting in line like this. Another one of those, you know, having those retail jobs again with no phone to like just, you know, constantly be there, getting you through it, monotony, going through it. One of the other ones we. I don't know how I got into this. The other day on Twitter was like, it's not even Thanksgiving related, but it was like when you used to have to call someone's house and if you wanted to, if you wanted to call a girl, you had to call her house and you had to get through mom or potentially dad. And so it's like the elimination of all those things in society and has now created men or adults who don't actually go through any meaningful rite of passage.

[A]

No, I mean, I totally agree with that. I mean, some of these other rites of passage were like elementary things such as be home before dark. Like that was like a very simple thing. Right. The other rites of passage were that you need to memorize, like you say, the home phone numbers of at least five people that.

[C]

Yeah. Memorizing phone numbers.

[A]

Right. I don't think anybody does that anymore anymore.

[B]

Like anybody.

[C]

I know Tanya's. I know my parents.

[A]

I know all the phone numbers from what I grew up.

[C]

I know a bunch of. When I grew up. Yeah. Like, I know a bunch of my buddies, but like my brother got a cell phone later.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I also think it was really important that when I used to call somebody's house, I had to speak to an adult.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

I think, I think that was, that's what I'm saying. Think about that.

[C]

Think about.

[A]

I think it's a very under appreciated. There was no texting. It didn't exist. No. When I was in 6th grade, AOL instant messenger was just starting.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And that was a thing. But it had to be on a like publicly available computer in my house. And it wasn't like you couldn't like bring it with you at all times. It was like there was like a very, you know, like, so it was.

[C]

This like logging on and logging off was a thing.

[A]

Oh, it was totally a thing. That's. They had the away message. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And like you would come home to see if you got any messages. And I actually, again, I don't even know if that was a healthier version of this crap that we have right now.

[C]

Much healthier.

[A]

And so I loved AO Instant messenger, for the record. I thought it was really fun and it was actually a really, really good service. It was really, I mean, I really liked it. A lot of our social norms A.

[B]

Lot of, A lot of our social.

[D]

Norms are texting came from AOL and some messenger.

[A]

Oh yeah, 100. That's right.

[C]

Does it LOL comes from that?

[A]

LOL. BRB.

[C]

LOL. T Y L LOL absolutely comes from AOL Instant Messenger.

[B]

AOL still exists by the Are still millions of people getting.

[D]

They shut down Instant Messenger.

[B]

Instant messenger has been dead. Not only is Instant messenger dead, is that right? For like seven years.

[A]

Done.

[D]

I, I and Charlie, it's even older than that because I, I was on in semester because Jack and I are a little bit older than you I was on instead.

[A]

No, but I'm saying Community. It started.

[B]

Tyler is way older than Charlie.

[D]

Way old. So Jack's older than me.

[C]

Yeah, Tyler actually is the first.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I loved Ale.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Here's another. Here's another rite of pet passage.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Playing a video game so much that it overheats. Right? That's like a real thing or playing a game.

[C]

Playing a game.

[A]

Jack knows what I'm talking. Especially computer games, though. No, no, no. If you play for too long and your computer wasn't that sophisticated or good. Your computer hard drive.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Start to like overheat. Right? That's a real thing.

[C]

100.

[A]

Or how about another one playing on either like Age of Empires or Sims or like whatever it was and like it malfunctioning before you save. Or you can like log your progress. Right?

[C]

Mom. Mom unplugging the Nintendo before. Well, when you were on like level eight of Mario and there was no way to save.

[B]

Or mom telling.

[C]

No way at all.

[B]

Mom telling you to pause the game when it's actually online and you're playing against other people.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

I had numerous times beating it. Defeating a level in Super Super Mario and then forgetting to save it. And you shut it off and you.

[B]

Go back, you're like, ah, that's shameful.

[A]

It's just so funny. Things we worried about back then were just like so insignificant.

[C]

I miss. I'll say this, I don't know if any of you guys remember this one. I miss new music Tuesdays. Does anyone else remember new music too?

[B]

So that was. Albums would release on Tuesdays, right? I think games still. Yeah, Tuesdays a lot. They did. At least when I was a kid.

[C]

I think, thank God there's something. But maybe that might have varied a group of music. And it was always Tuesdays that would come out. So you used to have like these mini Black Friday type things where you'd go on. I guess people still kind of do it for games where you would come out for, you know, new music or, you know, new album was dropping. So back when music actually was like good and close. That being said, I did secret again this week.

[A]

So I'm trying to think of other rites of passage. Oh yeah. Knowing the dial up sound is definitely a rite of passage. Like not having super fast Internet all the time.

[C]

Definitely just having to sit. Remember waiting for websites to load.

[A]

Do you remember asking friends for rides? Oh, wait, wait, Charlie.

[C]

What about asking directions and having to know directions?

[A]

I'm still really good at directions. Partially because you had to know where you were going. Like, this is before GPS. How it is? How's it going printing out MapQuest directions.

[C]

Printing it out.

[A]

Well, see, I was that not the best.

[C]

I used to be cheap, so I would just write it down.

[B]

Charlie, were you around?

[A]

I was a big map.

[B]

Charlie, were you.

[C]

I would, I would go to MapQuest and then I would write down the directions and then I just like bring my little note card with me.

[A]

What were you saying, Charlie?

[B]

You might be too young. I once had a journey where my parents made me actually narrate the turns to make on an actual physical map that we had purchased. Like with, you know, the highways of America.

[A]

Oh, you know, all the time.

[D]

I remember.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

I remember I was living in New Jersey for two years when I was in junior high and my mom printed them out on MapQuest and was going somewhere for my brother's football game and got so lost and turned around. She like pulled over in a gas station crying because she didn't know where to go or how to go anywhere. She was like completely lost, like in any place. They had no idea.

[A]

It makes you think, like actually sorry.

[D]

Ma, for sharing that.

[A]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? We have the gps. I mean, in some ways, like we're probably more efficient when, when China comes.

[C]

After us, that's the first thing they're going for.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[C]

All of our online banking, it's crazy.

[B]

I don't know if you still have to do this, but I know in London in the uk, to become a cab driver you used to have to pay. Maybe you still do, but you had to pass this test called the knowledge. And it was basically you had to memorize it still the location of like 27,000 different things in London. And like people would like lose their minds attempting to pass this thing. And obviously if it's around, it's obviously just crazier.

[D]

Yeah, it's more difficult to become a cab driver. They've done pass the bar.

[C]

I feel like they've done use a little bit of that.

[A]

They've done brain scans of cab drivers that have, that have mastered the knowledge. And their hippoclamus, which is the actual part of memory, is bigger in their brain than the average person. And so in order for that to be true. In order. And this is actually.

[C]

So that's self selecting.

[A]

No, no. In order for that to be true, the one of two things are true. Either that these are people with disproportionately big hippocampuses that are coming into the taxi business or Your brain can change, which is. It was the most profound.

[D]

Giant hippoclamuses.

[A]

No, but, but. Sorry. Hi, PA Campus. Thank you.

[B]

It's the thing that was indelible in. In blah. In Blasey Ford's brain.

[E]

Remember?

[B]

Indelible in the hippocampus.

[A]

However, it is. What is. It was the most profound development of neuroscience in the last 20 years. Discovery to show that your brain raw material can change based on your environment and your circumstances potentially. There is no other explanation. There's no way that people that have disproportionately active parts of the hippocampus all just want to become taxi drivers. Right. It's just that this is not a thing. Well, no, no.

[C]

The. The idea would be then that those are the only ones who can pass the test.

[A]

No, again, it's just. It defies logic because it's. You're in the. You're in the sub 1 set of the standard deviation. Right. These people like just happen to all want to become cab drivers.

[B]

No.

[A]

No way. Meaning that your brain can actually become better at a certain task.

[C]

So it's applied. So it's like a muscle that.

[A]

Yeah. Actually let me find the study. It's the more you work. It was in Sean Aster's book called the Happiness Advantage. Let me see here.

[C]

So the idea being then the more you, you know, the more you work it out the same way like when you go to the gym and you're like, I'm going to focus on whatever muscle right here.

[A]

A taxi driver's knowledge is often linked to an enlarged hippocampus. Blah, blah, blah, key points. And the study here shows about brain plasticities phenomenon demonstrates the brain's ability to adapt and change based on the experience where the hippocampus can grow in response to intensive spatial learning.

[D]

So.

[C]

So let's put this on the flip side then. The fact that we're all using GPS.

[A]

Now, it makes us dumber.

[C]

Is literally and physically, unless you do.

[A]

What I do, which is you try to re. You try to anticipate where the GPS is taking you before. Because the G GPS like AI it could be an enhancement to you or it could just make you totally check out.

[C]

Well, it's sometimes wrong.

[A]

Well, the GPS is wrong all the time. All the time. All the time. When Mikey's driving, I'm like, why isn't it taking us this way, not that way? Yeah, that's a good sign. If you are fact checking your gps, you are getting.

[C]

Actually, I did this when we were driving around Pennsylvania with my brother during the election. And we were. We were driving from Penn State to Philadelphia, and at one point, it wanted us to go on this road, which would take us to Baltimore. And I was like, why are we driving to Baltimore? It's 83 South. We need 76 east because we need to go to Philadelphia because we're going to the Eagles game. And now it eventually, like, picked up, but I remember sitting there looking at it, and it was just. It was just clearly wrong.

[A]

It was clearly wrong. I put it in the chat. Scientific American. Okay, I got a dash. You guys keep talking. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. And you guys hold down the fort.

[C]

Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie.

[D]

Have a great Thanksgiving, Charlie.

[B]

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