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A
My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord. Use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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B
All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show. And there, of course, is the empty chair of our fallen comrade and our dear friend and brother, Charlie. And here to help honor his legacy is one of his dear friends, Steve Dase. And we're so honored to have you. We were texting back and forth, and you were like, I'm going to move heaven and earth to get here to do this. And we're just so honored to have you. I know Charlie loved you and trusted you. So what? Welcome, my friend.
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C
I appreciate it. It is truly an honor. And I think the appropriate measure of leaving his chair empty because it just signifies a void that just cannot possibly be filled and stopped by the memorial on the way in. But the war and the battle still has to go on, and it's up to the rest of us now to all do our part to pick up the pieces and fill the void that his loss leaves.
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B
Yeah, I mean, well said. And I mean, Blake knows there was few very trusted voices in the sort of inner circle that he would hit up for, you know, advice. What you're. Where are you at on this? And Steve was one of them. And I know that we got a front row seat to that. And so people have asked me, it's like, well, who are you inviting in? And I'm like, well, the people Charlie loved, you know, and that's been very clear. And I know that, Blake, if you want to chime in, you were not on the show today. So I want to make sure we. Or yesterday. So I want to make sure you're.
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D
Yeah, no, no, it's. Charlie had a. We talked about, you know, the other day, how Charlie had This great humility. He was always looking for input from other people. He was always willing to change his mind. He had no embarrassment when he did change his mind. And so he. He. He cast a wide net.
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B
Absolutely. Well, you know, it's funny because, you know, I mean, I think this is fair to say. I hope I'm not putting. We didn't even talk about that. I was going to bring this up, but, you know, during the primary, we sort of had different people povs on stuff, and. But. But it was like it never mattered to Charlie. And Charlie was like, well, listen, I'm on this. I'm kind of seeing this way. We love you. And you guys, I mean, just had a great synergy like that.
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C
I mean, he texted me right as soon as it was over, and he said, listen, don't quit. We need you. You know, stay in the game. Stay in the fight. We're gonna need you.
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B
Tell me about your shirt.
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C
Oh, so this shirt, they can't see.
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B
It from the stream. It says, go hard.
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C
Yeah. So Charlie was about 6 inches taller than me and everybody else, for that matter. We did a freedom night at his church in June. And it's interesting because I had a whole bunch of media call me after his martyrdom because it just got released on social media the day before. And so I think a lot of media thought we had just done this, and we had actually done it a couple of months ago. And just as we were getting introduced to go out on stage, and he leaned down into my ear and he said, go hard. And Sloan at tpusa Faith, I texted him when I started getting all these media requests. I'm like, hey, what's appropriate? What do you think should do? I don't want to overstep my bounds at all. And Sloan's like, well, just do what he whispered in your ear that night.
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B
Go hard.
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C
And I just thought, that is a phenomenal memory. And I had the wife go out and print up a shirt for me. I love it, so that I could remember it. And, you know, that's what I've been trying to do ever since, is to honor his memory, is just to go hard. And I think it's a reminder. And if you see, you know, we've lost Vodi Bauckham, we've lost Dr. James Dobson. So many spiritual giants this year, and Charlie is obviously a titan among them. And it's another reminder that none of us knows for sure, you know, when that is. It's our time to go. And that's, I think, what we have to do to make sure we use the time we have to be good stewards to redeem the time, as the word says. And that's to go hard. But it doesn't just mean go hard for truth, Andrew. It means go hard for loving people, go hard for grace, go hard for mercy just in general for the kingdom. Go hard.
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B
Yeah. Amen. And so we've got a lot of breaking news stuff to cover on this show and we're going to do that. And also we have border czar Tom Homan. He's going to be joining us in the second hour in studio, which is phenomenal. But I have to start here, Steve, because I am so insulated in some ways. Our days are packed. From the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. We're just busy, busy, busy. There's so much to work out, so many details, so many phone calls, so many relationships. You need to keep up from the outside looking in. What has this meant, losing Charlie? What does this mean to the country? What does this mean to the movement? Give me your perspective on what has just transpired.
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C
What just transpired is we had the largest proclamation of the gospel in terms of volume of ears and eyes reached in the history of our species. And what just transpired is even the providential history that I knew Charlie was trying to push us back to as a country. Call us back to as a country. And you always have a hit. You always have a tendency to look back on the past and kind of view it with nostalgia, as if those people somehow tiptoe between the raindrops and didn't struggle with their own sinfulness and manifestations therein that we do today. And that's not necessarily true, but those are traditions that obviously we are coasting on the fumes of in our time now. And I think even during the most providential times in our nation's history, we have not seen high ranking figures, including the president and the vice president and cabinet officials stand up in front of the world and proclaim the gospel as boldly as what happened at the memorial service here a week or so ago. I mean, it's what you're really watching. I think if it's not a revival, Andrew, if we're not watching revival, I think the Holy Spirit is at least testing us to see if we're ready for it. And, you know, a couple of years ago, I was invited to a small gathering of Christian leaders around the country in Dallas, Texas. And it was essentially, hey, where are we as a country, as a culture? Where are we headed? And at the end, one of the eldest guys, there was like a scene out of the Constitutional Convention where Ben Franklin gets up there and says, we have to stop and break for prayer as the elder statesman. Because we all said, we need revival, we need revival, we need revival. And the elder statesman gets up there and says, are you guys sure you know what you're asking of God? Because we're too comfortable and complacent right now for revival. We won't receive it if he sends it. So if you guys really want God to send revival, then you're asking him to turn up the heat of persecution and suffering to condition us for what it will take for us to truly turn to him. And I think. I think Charlie's martyrdom was at the very first, you know, metaphorically, a shot across the bow of turning up that heat. And the amount of people. I mean, I listened to yesterday's show in its entirety and that opening montage you guys played of young people all over the country haven't been to church in ages. Never been to church, never picked up a Bible. I'm going now, right? And. And that is something that Christianity produces. The paradoxical nature of Christianity, it's called redemptive suffering. And no other worldview presents it in the world. The world's worldview says to avoid suffering and be utilitarian. And the needs of the many outweigh. The needs of the few are the one. Right. Star Trek. Right. But Christianity actually says that the Lord leaves 99 behind to find the one lost sheep. And Charlie's life, I think, embodied that. And that's why you saw so many people that stood up and testified to that at that memorial.
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B
I have a question for you, actually. Why? You know, we saw one of those videos. A guy was like, I put on my suit and I'm going to church. And, you know, there was this other story out of Lipscomb Academy where all these high schoolers put on suit jackets and ties to honor. I haven't quite put my finger on what that is, but what do you think that is?
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C
I think it's this idea that maybe I'm standing on holy ground and I need to clean up my act a little bit. And listen, it's casual Friday at the Steve Day show. Every single day, my audience doesn't see me in a sport coat. Like, you wear those.
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B
You know, I know you actually talked about this. You're like, I'm putting on a jacket for Charlie.
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C
I did it for Charlie.
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B
I didn't actually tie that Together. But you're right, you did the same.
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C
And I think it's recognition that I need to, I need to clean up my act a little bit. I need to raise the standard and Charlie raised that standard and. And now I am challenged to meet that standard now.
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B
Yeah, I just, I think it's a really beautiful thing. I mean, you know, you look back at these videos and movies from the 1950s or the 40s, everybody's always dressed.
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C
Even at like baseball games and sporting events.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they would, they would. They had class and they had dignity and, and it's interesting, this impulse that I'm seeing from, you know, they could be, they could be working the oil fields. They could be, you know, like this guy, you could tell, he's like, I've never even worn a suit before, but I put it on, I'm going to church. I just think it's an interesting impulse because there is this thing within the culture. We've gotten so lazy, lethargic, we've gotten so casual. And there's a part of that, like, listen, there's a time and a place. But you know, the fact that people feel called higher I think is a really beautiful thing. Steve, you know, is it Dease or Dace?
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C
You know, the family actually does not know. So I was told it was Dace. The family, some of them would say it was Dease. So I just think Dace sounds better.
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B
It's pretty cool.
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C
It does, it's great. And plus, I loved Ace Frehley, was my favorite KISS member as a kid. My mom used to put the makeup on me and stuff.
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B
And so you're gonna lose me there. But I, but I mean, I watched Happy Gilmore, so it's fine. I know. So I gotta tell you. So you're an Iowa guy and this story is shocking the country. It's not. The most breaking news happened a couple days ago, but this Ian Roberts character out of Iowa. So he's an illegal immigrant, an illegal.
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C
Alien, and he's had a deportation order since last year.
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E
Yeah.
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B
Let's talk about this.
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C
So, Ian Roberts.
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B
This is shocking. Cuz it's Iowa.
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C
Yeah. And so he's making almost 300k a year as the superintendent of Des Moines schools. And Jackie Norris is just. And this is what's so weird about Iowa. Because of the caucuses, we get all. Yes, we get all these influxes of national influences into our state all the time. And so Michelle Obama's former chief of staff is the, is the head of the Des Moines school district and just that would not happen in a state of our size, in any other state. But because of Iowa, there's just these political headwinds there. All right. And so they hired this guy who's had a deportation order from them. What do you have to do to have a deportation order from the Biden administration, by the way? What do you think you have to do to get one of those?
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B
So didn't he have it? He had, like, a. He had a weapons charge.
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C
Yes.
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D
There's so many things that make this bad, so, like, more stuff is coming out over time. So, for example, he originally got a student visa in Maryland, and that expired, didn't leave.
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C
Of course he's registered. He registered to vote in Maryland.
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D
Registered to vote.
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B
These overstays drive me absolutely mad.
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D
Certified that he was a citizen to get this job in Iowa for which he presented, apparently, a Social Security card and form testifying identity theft or something. Yeah. He had in. He was in possession of a loaded handgun. That's illegal to possess if you're not legally in the country at all. Let's see what else.
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C
When they busted a weapon on him.
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D
His voter registration remained active even though he was moving to other states.
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B
But wait, wait, hold on. Blake and Steve, I was told that illegals don't vote.
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C
You've been reliably informed. This doesn't happen.
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D
The State Board of Elections in Maryland is obstructing efforts by the Department of Justice to, like, investigate this because, like.
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B
The sanctuary state nonsense, it's showing how corrupt and ridiculous it's a complete system is.
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D
We actually basically have to say blue states especially, are in, like, a sustained, systematic effort to engage in, like, immigration fraud and engage in voter fraud.
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C
Yes.
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D
And like, the most rational thing you can do at this point is basically say blue state records are, like, not valid for things. Their driver's license are not valid.
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B
Driver's license. Here's what this is exposing. What you're talking about is there. That. That once there is an exposure, the light comes to the darkness. There is an incentive for these blue districts and municipalities, blue states, to then cover it up and not expose it. So not only are you contributing to the problem, you're insisting that it continued.
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C
And I've heard a lot of people say, well, how could this have happened? How did he pass any kind of screening? You have to understand. And this kind of ties, in a way, with what Pete Hegseth announced this morning. Right. We're going to actually do war here now. We're going to have warriors now.
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B
Yes.
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C
And not social engineering. And you have to understand, they did do vetting and they did do background. It's just there's a. You know, I like to say on my show, Andrew, that worldview is destiny and no one can rise above their own worldview. They did vetting according to their worldview. They were looking for a DEI candidate. They were looking for someone that would subvert American culture. They were looking for someone that would subvert your children and, and help them to do a better and more efficient job of turning your children into gay race communists. And that's exactly why they hired them. They. They did a thorough vetting. They're not. This is. They got exactly what they wanted to do. Just their vetting standard would be different. The worldview that they're operating with is different than ours. So things like, well, are you actually a citizen? That's just a minor technicality. Especially because the. They use the schools, for example, to replace your way of life, to hijack your culture. This is abs. You're watching replacement theory play itself out. They act on their worldview accordingly.
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B
That's a conspiracy.
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C
Except for when it's not. And it actually.
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B
Yes, except for when the illegals are in charge of our school districts.
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C
Correct.
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B
So not only do you have woke commies that have insinuated themselves basically complete saturation within our school system.
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C
Yes.
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B
Now you have illegal immigrants that are getting paid, as the kids say today.
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C
Andrew, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
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B
It's a feature.
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C
This worked exactly as it was intended to.
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B
They just didn't think they would get caught 1000%. And here's the question, Steve. Do we abandon the institution and build our own or do we try and re the long march back through the institutions? What is your prescription?
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C
I think first what we have to agree to do is that we will wield the power that we actually have. I don't think we've even earned the right to answer that question yet.
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B
That's fair.
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C
I think we have to. And I think like the government shutdown that's happening right now or may occur, are we going to actually use the power that the people elected us and gave us? Because I think we don't decide that, then that other question becomes moot.
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B
Yeah, No, I mean there was this graph, actually retweeted it as well, but it was talking about the share of conservatives or registered Republicans at these elite universities.
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C
Right.
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B
And I think at Harvard it's like, you know, 1%. I think the best, surprisingly was UCLA at like 11%. And the guy who tweeted. He said, if we don't fix this, we can fix nothing. Charlie recently interviewed Chapter founder Kobe Blumenfeld Gantz and he was impressed. No one in Medicare likes him because he's breaking up the Medicare cartel that's actively hurting Americans to pad their profits. Medicare's a mess, and Medicare agents either don't have all the plan information to provide good advice or they actively push garbage plans to line their own pockets. As a result, millions of people are on the wrong Medicare plan for their needs. Unlike other agents, Chapter looks at every detail of every plan to recommend the one that fits your needs. Whether you're already on Medicare or will soon be. Give Chapter a call. It's quick, it's easy, and they can review your options in under 20 minutes. If you're already on the right plan, they'll tell you, and if you aren't, they'll help you switch on average. They help people save an average of $1,100 a year. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words.
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A
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B
Got an email here from one of the listeners. She said, hi all to Andrew's question regarding suits. Charlie elevated every standard by his words, his actions, his disciplines, choice of music he plays for his children, classical. Not sure about Jolene Little wink face, his incisiveness. Incisiveness and more. I'm older, but I remember when pastors wore suits and had the Christian and American flags up by the podium. And then we wanted to appeal to the world outside the church doors. Went from suits to Hawaiian shirts, question mark. I wonder if that casual dress reflected a more casual approach to biblical truths. Thank you precious people. Thank you. And it doesn't have a name there, so we'll leave it. But yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I think when you up the game, you know, a lot of people want to follow suit.
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C
Steve. I chuckled at the reference to Hawaiian shirts because I go off on this all the time. The pastoral uniform in today's churches. Hawaiian shirts even in January. Although I guess in Arizona you can wear those, but not where I live. Sweater vests, year round pleated khakis, right? Nicer than God. The graduates of the seminary of the pension sisters of perpetually furrowed brows. Okay, that kind of stuff. There's a third tablet the Lord forgot to give Moses at Sinai. He forgot it. It just has one commandment on there. Thou must be nice in all things no matter what. Right. That kind of stuff has just plagued the American church institutions in general.
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B
I see this email from this listener and I'm like, you know, we've just seen this degradation of all the institutions, a lack of standards across the board, which ties in to what Pete Hegseth did this morning, which I just, you know, I chuckled at it because I don't want to get the clip here, but Charlie raged against what Blake fat generals he hated.
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D
He would always go off on Millie because Millie was like, yeah, yeah, like the, you know, big.
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B
Yeah, yeah, wide man. He's really into white rage or something. Yeah, yeah. Reading about it, you just be like.
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D
Why don't you just like, put the, put the donuts down, tubby, and like, look a little trim.
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B
Yeah, well, so let's, let's give a little Hegseth love here play cup 44. Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the country and the world. It's a bad look. It is bad. And it's not who we are. You know, I have this weird sneaking suspicion, Steve, that, that, you know, Charlie and Pete were very close and Charlie would rail against this stuff. I'm pretty sure he would tell Pete about this stuff. Like, part of me is just very aware that Pete is channeling a little bit of the Charlie Kirk like, gumption, the get after it spirit.
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C
So this one's kind of personal to me on two fronts. One, I have fought a battle of the bulge in my own personal life for the last decade.
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B
You're looking great.
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C
I appreciate it. We're making progress. But I would still be probably what Pete would consider a fat general. All right, but. But I'm not a general, so he's right. The generals cannot be fat. And then I've my son in law shout out to my daughter Anna and her husband Steve, he's a soldier. And so, you know, he's gone through all of the, the recent fitness standards and things of that nature and upping your game where that's concerned and the various incentives therein. And I, And I just. You have to ask yourself what every previous generation of Americans, regardless of how they voted, regardless of how they voted, what would every previous generations of Americans until now have said to the idea that we literally have to stop the military from getting fat. What would they think we just let. How bad did we let go of the rope system wide as a culture that you have an illegal alien is the superintendent of the largest school district in one of America's states, and the Secretary of Defense War has to tell his. His soldiers to stop being fat. And I think that that and Charlie spoke a lot to this with the young men. I think this is where the anger and frustration of the. Of the Zoomer generation is coming in. They're looking at us, their parents and grandparents, and saying, what were you guys doing for the last generation that you left us this big, giant mess? How did you guys just systemically get so comfortable and so complacent that every single institution is degraded, if not weaponized against me before I ever step into full adulthood here and try to become a husband, father, business owner and productive American?
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B
I think that's so. I think that's so well said because, you know, Charlie was a big believer that this is the greatest country in the history of the world. And we. We say that proudly. We believe it. I believe that America is providential. I believe God has his hand on our country. And yet. And yet, if you look at just the. The dmv, if you look at the post office, I mean, Blake loves to rail against shipbuilding. We can't make things in here. We can't make anything like, how did we get here?
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D
He's given this speech about our generals being fat. But let's say we had to be in a conflict with China, a real conflict with China, and it would just be over. They can make drones better than US at probably 50 to 1. They can make ships at better than US 200 to 1. They can make more planes. They can make more shell. They can make more of everything.
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C
75% of our antibiotic supply is made by host. Yeah, complete.
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B
Well, I mean, listen, I do think that the American spirit, just like in World War II, would rise and we would find ways around this stuff. We would.
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D
But we didn't win World War II with spirit. We won World War II with. We could make 200 more times.
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B
I'm just saying, you know, but we ramped up very quickly. We would be forced to ramp up very quickly again. And I do believe, you know, we would.
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C
But, Andrew, this is worldview is destiny again. The military we had before is exactly what the left, in the spirit of the age, wanted. That this wasn't an accident. They weren't aware that they were making us weaker. It was a managed decline. They were doing this on purpose. And, and you know, and I think we need to come to grips with that on our side because if we don't come to grips with it, then we won't. That question you asked me a while ago. We won't. We'll say, we'll say stuff like, well, if he did this to them, then they'll do this to us when they have power. They're already doing everything to us.
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B
That's exactly.
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C
They're already doing everything to us. So to me, either we will use the power vested in us by the voters in order to punish evil, or evil will continue.
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B
Well, let's talk about this more because I sent a note to Pete. I have no idea if he'll see it, but I just said, great job. That took balls. It really did took courage. And that's the least common of all the virtues. And that's what it's really going to take is that our leaders getting courage to do the hard things. Because you know that the New York Times and Taha Nisi Coates and, and Nikole Hannah Jones are gonna write nasty little grams about you in the New York Times and Joe Scarborough is gonna call you a fascist or whoever's gonna do what it takes guts to look these demons in the eye. I'm not necessarily calling them demons, but there are real demons and they heal insults. And Charlie was, I mean, amazing at basically like laughing off the attacks. How do we use power? What is the. So this is something that we have talked about a lot on this show, is that we must use power. Right wing revolution, Charlie's book was all about. It was actually a counter revolutionary book, by the way. It was, we don't want blood in the streets. We want to restore the idea of the founders. We want to restore the Constitution. And the idea is that we have to use power to restore this. We can't be afraid of it. So what is blocking us?
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C
What's blocking us is twofold. Number one, we've had a passive church for a generation.
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B
I totally agree.
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C
That has watered down masculinity. The, the idea of initiative, power, that complacency was the highest virtue, being nice was the highest virtue. So we haven't been properly catechized into what this, what meekness means. When Jesus says the meek shall inherit the earth, what does it mean? Meekness is power under control. That's what it means. We but a lot of our men, whether it's absent minded fathers, absent minded masculinity in the pulpit have not been discipled into what it means to use power under control. And then the other problem that we have is with the so called phenomenon of the UNIT party. And this is what movements that like what TPUSA is a part of what Trump has done to break up this idea. Well, you know all the names you just mentioned, I think everyone, when they sound of my voice should scream at your radio or at your screen right now. Why does anybody I'm voting for give a rip what any of those names think about them?
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B
Totally.
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C
But here's the thing. All those names you mentioned, they are very relevant. Unfortunately, a lot of the people we've been voting for for a long time do care more about what those people say about them than what audiences like this say says about them. And those two things are what we are up against. And so when we get elected, when we have power, listen, we have a code, right? We have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. But there's another code also that says in Romans 13 that the purpose of government is to be an avenging angel, to bring the sword of righteousness against evil, to punish evil. The only reason almighty God allows sinful human beings to govern themselves on any level or have governments at all is to keep the moral order, to punish evil. And we have to do that. And I think everything, the whole rules of engagement and traditions and decorums, throw all of that out, all right? And here's the new rule. Here are the new rules of engagement that I'm going to suggest to your audience. Everything other than explicitly what the word of God says we cannot do to win. We're going to do everything else. That's it. Those are the new rules of engagement. All right? So we're not going to bear false witness. We're not, we're not going to break the Ten Commandments, all right? We're not going to set up our own idolatries to mimic theirs. We'll never be as good at it as they are anyway. Okay, all right. But anything short of what the word of God says we cannot do. We're good to do everything else. And I want your audience to also know we're not even close to that line yet. We're not even close to crossing that line yet. And it's because of soft churches that a lot of, a lot of guys think, well, if I hurt somebody's feelings, all right, if I go to the school board meeting and offend them and they scream at me and throw me out, I mean, did I Do something wrong. No, that the exact opposite is true. You did something very, very right. So go back again and make them throw you out again. And go back again and again and again and again. And I think this is where our rules of engagement guys have to dramatically change. And Charlie understood that. And the reason why he had conviction in the face of the critics you're talking about was his worldview. He understood ultimately to whom he belonged. He understood ultimately what the source of truth was. He understood ultimately what the source of justice was. And so he didn't view their. Their opinions of him as something to be concerned about because he was actually opposing their worldview, not trying to appease it.
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Yeah, I mean, there's that great clip of Charlie. I think we played it yesterday from. Gosh, all the days blur into one lately. But, yeah. Where he. He just knew. He was asked, what is your. What is your role here? He's like, my role is to confront evil and proclaim the truth. And when you.
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C
Jesus said, for this reason, I came into the world to testify to the truth.
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Yeah, absolutely. And so it's, you know, you look at Pete Hegseth, you look at Anna Paulina Luna, you look at. There's. There's people that stand out for their courage to speak up and be loud and vocal. And we're going to need more of that. And one of the legacies I hope that Charlie ends up leaving is that we have a reformed and robust conservative movement with leaders that are not afraid to speak truth and power and to make the demons shudder in high places. So, Steve, we've got Tom Holm and Borders are coming on next. Let's start setting the table for borders boundaries. This is something Charlie liked to talk about a lot.
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He got so mad at all the pastors who are just like, well, the Bible says you have to love other people, so really that means you just have to have an open border, man.
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B
Yeah, we just love the aliens. So set the table for us. You got about a minute, minute and 20 seconds here. Does the Bible believe in borders?
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C
100%. And there's a reason the founders look so much to the Old Testament because they thought, well, God established himself a nation once, so let's look for precedent on what, you know, he wants. What. What are the laws of nature and nature's God? Boundaries were strictly enforced in Old Testament Israel. You had to assimilate. You know, Charlie was fond of saying that immigration without assimilation is invasion. You had to assimilate. For example, the Book of Ruth, a book that's often quoted at weddings like my own. But what happens is Ruth is a Moabitis, so she's not allowed into the assembly of God. She has to convert. And what does she say? That's where that verse we say at our weddings, your people be my people, your God will be my God. She has to convert. She has to assimilate into the religion of Israel and follow Jehovah and leave behind her old way of life in order to be put in and grafted into that covenant. And so those were the models of assimilation that we displayed and showed and followed for two and a half centuries in America until this last generation.
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Yeah, I think that's really important. We're going to play some clips from Charlie. Charlie talking about borders, because it was actually one of his most passionate issues. Because it was. To your point, Blake, it was one of the most often bastardized parts of scripture by your just run of the mill pastors or by especially mainline or.
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D
Just not religious people doing that like. Well, the Bible says you have to let me do everything I want.
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B
Be gracious to the alien in your land. Yeah. But it doesn't say let 10 million of them flood your borders. That's called a. That's called an invasion, folks. There's so many. Good. I can't even pick which one. Blake, you pick which one.
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D
Let's just start with 59, please.
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B
All right, 59.
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A
First, we must start and acknowledge there's plenty of scriptures that say you should love the foreigner because you were once strangers in Egypt. Leviticus 19. I mean, there's plenty of scriptures that say that. There's also equal, equal amount of scriptures that warn you about how foreigners can become your masters. In the end of Deuteronomy, Moses explicitly says that in his farewell address.
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D
We can continue that there. Let's follow up with 63.
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The warning in the later parts of Deuteronomy where Moses is giving his farewell address and he warns the people of Israel before they enter the land of milk and honey. Hey, be careful of foreigners in the land because they will soon be your masters if you have too many of them, if they multiply. It's a very interesting teaching.
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C
Yes, it is.
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B
Right.
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A
And that cautionary tale is not usually talked about in churches. Usually it's all about open borders and all this, not compassion. Yeah. Not the equally caution that Moses gave to the chosen people before going into Israel.
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Steve, your reaction? Because we're about to have Tom Homan, border czar. He's going to be in the studio. We're so honored to have him too. And we're going to be talking about all of this stuff going on with ice, this degradation of the respect for the rule of law. The Bible is very clear on borders, nationality, and the drawing out of righteous lines that delineate nations.
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C
And I think we have to explain why. It's the maintaining of a heritage. So as the Second Temple period begins and Zerubbabel goes back to rebuild the temple, and Nehemiah and Ezra are now helping to rebuild the walls and dedicate the temple, Nehemiah finds out that they've gone back to allowing foreigners into the covenant, into the temple. They're doing all the same mistakes they did before, which is what led them to go down into the valley of Ben Hinnan, or Topeth, which is a Hebrew word for hell, and throw their babies into the fire to Moloch. All right, and so how does Nehemiah respond? Mass deportations. Nehemiah, mass deportations. You're doing it all over again. We're making all the same mistakes. Again, the point of the wall and the border is to maintain our heritage. So mass deportations. And I think it's very important for people to understand sojourner and squatter are not the same thing. And often they get conflated. And what you're being sold is that you have to give squatters rights to illegal aliens. And no, you don't. You have every right biblically to protect your heritage, particularly one that is based in the providential nature such as ours. So squatters and sojourners are not the same thing.
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D
One more Charlie clip that I think is good. It's not just that borders are biblical, but, like, nations are biblical.
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B
It's not.
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D
You know, we might be one body of Christ, but we're not like all a bunch of automaton robots. So let's do 64.
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We have this in Genesis 11, when Nimrod wanted to create a one world government, a oneness of humanity, and God hated it. Actually, God spread into different nations and people. And we got diversity out of that moment. Because when you have the one world government, what Nimrod said, he said, we are going to make a city upon our name, in our name. And so God decentralized power by definition. And there is no better way to decentralize power on the planet than having hundreds of different countries and different cultures and backgrounds and people and languages. So therefore, you then, you then can logically get to the idea of borders and boundaries, which, again, is a biblical idea.
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D
And, you know, in the last public speech he gave In Japan, that was a thing he said, he talked about, you know, what globalism wants to do is it wants to take, imagine taking everything at a Thanksgiving meal. You know, you've got your cranberry salad, you've got your turkey, you've got your stuffing, got your mashed potatoes and just putting all it in a blender and just blending it until it's this slurry.
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B
I totally agree.
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D
This is diversity. This is variety.
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B
Yeah. Two things stand out to me. Yeah. As we're just talking about this. Charlie used to always say that borders are where bad ideas end and good ideas begin. And you can see that by the way a country is run poorly or if it's run well. And just this sense of, this idea of diversity, it's such an important point, Steve, and I'm going to give the last minute to you here. But diversity is their idea of putting them all together and you get this mush, this mix up. But actually borders preserve diversity. They preserve heritage. Correct. Ok, the floor is yours.
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C
And what you, what you'll note, you'll always know they're lying when the power and or the policies they pursue grant them more power and control. The progressivism, leftism, spirit of the age, whatever you guys want to call it, it has two primary hallmarks in all of its language, in all of its policies and all of its dictums, all of its practicums, power and control. And so that usually means they're doing the exact opposite of what they promise you they're going to do. And it almost always means they're projecting unto you that which they're actually doing. You can count on that every single time.
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B
Steve, really quick, tell people where they can follow you. Your show where, where they can watch it.
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C
Easiest thing to do. Follow me on xeveday show. Everything I do there is, everything we do is catalog there. It's indexed there at steveday Show. D, E A C E on X. Yeah.
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B
And Charlie, love watching your show so.
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C
Well, thank you.
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B
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B
I'm joined by a really dear friend of both the show Turning Point USA and of Charlie's. And that's Borders, our Tom Homan. Thank you so much, Tom, for making this trip out of your way to come see us.
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E
You got it. Thanks for the invite.
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B
Yeah. Well, listen, you know, I just want to start with the obvious question. You know, you're sitting next to Charlie's empty chair, you know, you're hugging our team. I mean, I can see that this is means a lot to you and it's affected you. So, you know, what has this meant to you? And, you know, where do we go from here? You know?
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E
Well, look, I'm a pretty tough guy, but what happened to Charlie broke my heart. There's your heart right out of your chest. Me and Charlie talk quite often, and I believe what he was doing. What he was doing is a big part of saving this country. Just like President Trump, Hawaii came back twice from retirement to help President Trump save this country. So I made my commitment to Charlie and Turning Point. I'll do anything I can to help this organization because of the great work you're doing again, to help save this country. This country is turbulent. I think Charlie brought out discussion, get people to start thinking, keep talking. Because talking is better than violence. The day, the day of the incident, I was in my office in the West Wing and it just broke my heart. He was such a good man, just trying to open dialogue between those who hated him. I often do the same. I give speeches. And I know that a lot of people don't like Tom Holman and what he does, but we don't shy away from getting out there, trying to get the truth out. So I'll do everything I can for Turning Point. Thank you, Tom, because I think we both just want to get the truth out there. We both want a better country. We both want a country better for our kids.
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B
That's exactly right. Well, Tom, I know that I speak on behalf of not only everybody in this show, but everybody at Turning Point and Erica, when I say that you are a good man and you're a patriot, Charlie loved you and respected you. And when you came back for Trump 2.0, you know, we knew that you were the right man for the job and that you had the guts and the courage to do the job. And I know that Charlie loved you. I know you love Charlie. And Turning Point, we still love you. The Charlie Kirk Show. We love you and we thank you so much for making this extra special trip. I know Arizona is a place you, you do a lot of work anyways, but I'm so grateful that you came and made this, made this special trip. So you honor us.
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E
Me and Charlie talked a lot. I've done, I've done his show a lot of times. Matter of fact, I was supposed to be in El Paso doing an event with you.
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B
That's right. You were going to be on the tour.
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E
Yeah, I was going to be on tour. Looking forward to it. And, but again, I think turning four into good hands with Erica. I just had a conversation with her. So proud of her.
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B
Me too.
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Such a strong, strong woman. So I think Turning Point people haven't seen anything yet. I think this whole organization's going to increase a thousandfold.
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B
We're going to 10x it, Tom. We're going to 10x it.
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E
God bless you.
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We're going to make this, as Erica says, the biggest thing you've ever seen. We're going to do it for Charlie, we're going to do it for this country. We're going to do it because God compels us. And we're all committed to that vision. And Erica set the tone and, and she deserves a lot of respect and she has the respect of this, of the team both here at the Charlie Kirk show and at Turning Point. Turning Point action. Tom, I want to talk to you about something that impacts you personally with what you're doing with the Border Patrol ice, and that is this rising violence, this tide of violence, and it is left wing vigilantism. And it's shocking and terrifying. I'm going to play it. This is a new clip, Fox News. Rutgers University has done a new poll and I want to get your reaction. Play cut 57.
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C
I want to ask you about this Rutgers report. Good morning on the network Contagion Research Center. This is their conclusion. Okay. Users online are increasingly associated the memification of Luigi Mangione with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump and Others reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture. And Aisha, you have some findings that they have here on justification.
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B
It's alarming. And I want to put this up here. This is a justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
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D
And you'll see here, they found that.
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B
When it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump. So just to reiterate, Rutgers University has discovered that 50% of left of center respondents believed it is justified to murder Elon Musk for his opinions. 56% believed it's justified to kill Donald Trump for his. And I'm assuming had they asked ICE agents about ICE or ICE agents, that number would be similar. What do you do in an environment like this?
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E
Don't stop, don't stop, don't fold. You know, my dad taught me as a young teenager, never go start a fight, never go look for a fight, but don't run away from one either. We're not running anywhere. It's amazing. This is not the country I grew up in. And that's what was great about Charlie and President Trump. They want that country back where, you know, we can talk our differences and not be violent. So it shocks me, it shocks me to hear that. I didn't know that just a couple minutes ago. Yeah, that this is really where we're at as a nation. I truly believe the vast majority of Americans are peaceful.
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B
Me too.
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E
God fearing, American loving people. But you got that fraction of people that have just lost their minds. I mean, attacks against ICE officers is up over a thousand percent. And what people don't, if you stop and think about it, ICE officers, they're not heartless robots. They don't hang their heart on a hook every day. They go to work. They're moms and dads too. They're sons and daughters. And they put a gun on their hip and put a bulletproof vest on to go do their job. And they don't make a lot of money doing it. And the hate for them toward them is based on a lot of false negative rhetoric being pushed by members of Congress, members of the media, mayors, governors of sanctuary cities.
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B
Well, let's play some of this then. This is because a lot of this right now, the story is around Chicago, it's around Portland. And I know that there was a lot of protest, I would call it worse than protests, riots. It's violence, it's intimidation, it's thug culture, it's antifa culture. And you know You've got Oregon governors and you know, Tina Kotek, you know, saying there's no insurrection, there's no threat to national security. Play cut 33.
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C
I have been abundantly clear with them that Portland and the state of Oregon and believe in the rule of law and we can manage our own local public safety needs. There is no insurrection. There is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city. Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies. The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day. But they are not needed in the city. They are not needed here.
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B
Your reaction?
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E
She should take a drive around Portland. I just was in Portland three weeks ago. I was at the ICE facility that's under attack every night. Matter of fact, I became a little angry because of the damage done to the building, the graffiti. And I asked the person, one of the people there who's in charge of security, why are we not cleaning this up? He says, well, because we'll have to clean it up again tomorrow because I'll come right back and damage the property again. You're talking about people damaging United States federal property with the felony. You're talking about following our employees home from work to their homes, putting them at great risk. She ought to go look at the ICE facility. Go to the ICE facility and sit there for 24 hours and see what these men and women deal with every day.
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B
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B
Border czar Tom Homan is with us in studio paying his respects. And also, you know, you're drawing a line in the sand. You're saying you're not going to back down. I just showed you that terrible new report from Rutgers University about the magionism of the Magione effect, the assassination culture. And this was an interesting thing that happened last night. It's cut 56 if you want to get it ready. This is Nick Shirley, who does sort of street journalism. He goes out with a camera. He gets confronted by an antifa militant now who's a domestic terrorist, and he's threatening him and all of a sudden these lights start shining on this guy. So I want you to explain what happened here. And this is in Portland. And this is the clash between, you know, domestic terrorists and federal officers. Plague. Cut 56. I have the right to be here. I have the right to be here. I have the right to film. You have DHS watching you right there. Lasered on you. You have a sniper lasered on you right now. Stop it. Stop sticking your camera in people's face. I didn't do anything wrong. You have a sniper on you right now.
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D
You have a sniper on you right now.
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B
What's going on in that clip?
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E
Well, look, you got somebody trying to, you know, they think they have the right to protest antifa and turn that protest into criminal activity, damaging federal property, assaulting federal agents. But they don't want journalism anywhere around because journalism is going to tell the truth. And they don't want the American people to know the truth. You know, they want to play the victims. You know, we're in a situation now where the bad guy is the victims and the good guys want to enforce the law, try and make this country safe again. They're the bad guys and the bad guys are actually the victims. You got to completely turn around. Antifa's the good guys, they're the victims. All these are bad guys. Here's a journalist trying to show the American people what exactly happened. They don't want that. They don't want the truth out to the American people and what exactly they're doing.
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Check out this tweet. This is from ron Wyden in 221. Throw it up if you can. Trump is launching an authoritarian takeover of Portland, hoping to provoke conflict in my hometown. I urge Oregonians to reject Trump's attempt to incite violence. Oh, so it's Trump, It's President Trump who's inciting violence in all your ICE agents just for existing in a vibrant and peaceful city. By the way, this is completely garbage on its face. By the way, Portland is rife with this militant faction of residents that have been pandered to and catered to and treated with kid gloves for so long that they feel that they can run roughshod over the city of Portland. What do you say to this accusation that President Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he shouldn't be deploying troops in American cities?
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E
President Trump's trying to make his country safe again. And a lot of these sanctuary cities, they're not safe at all. I just said I was in Portland a few weeks ago. It's not safe. I saw the damage they do. They attacked the building every night. And, you know, look what President Jordan did in Washington, D.C. look at the crime. Oh, that got reduced within days of his action. He made a promise to the American people. He's going to make this country safe again. If that involves troops, then so be it. It's going to make those neighborhoods safer. You would think the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon would be calling President Trump up and thanking him to come to the table and helping, giving them resources to make those streets safe again for their constituents, for their taxpayers, 100%.
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B
Well, let's play a clip that would reinforce your point here. This is a Portland resident praising President Trump for deploying the military to squash this. This is cut 34. I am so happy that Trump is sending the National Guard in here. I live in this building. Actually, we both live in this building.
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D
We've been asking for help for months.
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And we're finally gonna get it. When do you think they're coming? When? Not soon enough, man. Not soon enough. That's a real resident. He lives right near the ICE facility and he's been living with this domestic terror group assaulting federal officers, not to mention, Tom, what happened in Texas where you had somebody shooting up an ICE facility? Is this how. What's the esprit de corps of Border Patrol and ice? I mean, we had all this surge of applicants. Are we still seeing that? Are people staying strong? Are they staying on mission?
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E
Oh, absolutely. The morale is on an all time high because they're getting to enforce the law. They're getting to hold the oath they took when they signed up to do that job, whether it's aborbitra or ice. And what people need to understand all this, you know, fake rhetoric about who ISIS arresting, right? Around 70%. 70% of the people ISIS Arrest aren't criminals. But the left are saying, well, they're not criminal enough. Well, they're criminal. And the other 30% includes national security threats that don't have criminal histories and people who have final orders. They had due process at great taxpayer expense. They were order removed by federal judge, became a fugitive. Ice, if you actually look, go to the ICE website, look at the data, you see, without a doubt, they're making these streets safe again, one illegal criminal.
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B
At a time, of course.
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E
What's the little animal there?
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B
Oh, well, yeah, that's. The little animal there is. Charlie's daughter watched the show every day and so she would give him little toys to take with and he would test her. He would put the. He would show the toy or he not show the toy and test her. You know, did you see it? Did you see me lift it up? And he would mention it on the show and she's like, yeah, I saw it. It was really a beautiful, beautiful thing. And so we're just leaving that. We're leaving that. Yeah. So, Tom, as I said, if people want to get involved, they want to apply, they want to be a part of the Solution. Maybe they're 20, they don't know what they're doing with their lives. Maybe they're 35 and they're at a job that they don't want to be at anymore. And they want to help the country, they want to help be a part of your mission. Where do they go? How do they apply? What can they do?
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Do you have anywhere else? There's a lot of places you can go. You can go to USAjobs and you see the announcements there. And look what I would ask people to do. Go to the CBP website, customer support protection website. Look at what they do. Look at what ICE does, because ICE does a lot of different things. You have HSI and Arrow. Do your research and make sure that you look at what their mission is and see if you agree with the mission, if you want to be a part of the mission. And in addition to that, you don't have to be a federal agent and carry a gun to make this country great again. Get involved with your local community and educate your community on the benefits of enforcing the laws of this country, making this country safe again. Whether it's run for city council, run for mayor. Go to the voting booth. It isn't just about the presidential election anymore. This starts at the bottom. So get active in your community. Get out there and vote. Use your right from anything from a city council member, all the Way up to president United States get involved. But we welcome them. We're hiring 10,000. We welcome them, all the patrons.
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B
So it's ice.govjoinice.gov join Tom Homan, you're a great patriot. Thank you for joining us. And we have your back. I know you have ours. And God bless you.
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E
Thanks for having me. I appreciate you.
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B
All right, Steve, you're back. I really quick just, I have to say, because I was in the room and I don't know what you guys saw or didn't, but I mean, I don't know if the camera picked it up, but Tom Homan was emotional and that really affected me because he's kind of a tough guy. Not kind of like he's a really tough guy. The guy's packing heat all the time. He's got his family and, you know, hiding because of all the death threats. He's as tough as it comes. And I just, you know, I obviously, I knew it meant a lot to him. I knew he wanted to come into studio because he's gonna be in Arizona. We made that. And even though you were coming, you were gracious enough to make time, but to see him get emotional was really hard for me, actually. So I don't know if you guys saw that, but it just shows.
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C
You could see as he was walking.
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D
Out, you just think, there's so many people. Charlie was so involved in everything, so enmeshed in everything. So everyone's met him, everyone's interacted with him. So many people in the administration, you know, probably not Homan specifically, but so many people had their jobs in the White House because Charlie advocated for them, pushed for them repeatedly. And he was taken from us in such a horrible way. And also big picture, it's really shown how. What the stakes are, because some people choose to raise the stakes in that way.
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C
Yeah, I mean, Charlie was the greatest example of apostolic levels of giftedness I've ever encountered in a human being. And you can see that some of us can be jack of all trades, master of none, and be pretty good at a lot of things. Very few of us can be excellent at multiple things. And that was him. And then you can see the lives that he touched at the exact same time. And you can see there was something about him. We talked about this with the young people dressing up to go back to church. And when you get to my age and older, you hope that you've earned the cachet and the respect with your friends and family members and your sphere of influence when you've got more gray and salt in the, in the beard, that there's that idea that, oh, so and so is in the room. So I better kind of come correct. I better raise my standard a little bit. Like, might be certain things you might say at your house. You don't say them at Nana's house because Nano, she'll get up with, with the walker and she'll get the roller and take it to your backside if you say that. You talk like that in her home.
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B
Right. You didn't swear in front of Charlie.
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C
That's right.
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B
Charlie didn't swear.
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C
I never heard. I never heard Charlie swear one time.
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B
I'd never heard it either, you know, and I. If somebody was gonna hear it, it would have been me.
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C
Right.
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B
But yeah, he would. I remember he would always say to people, he's like, remember guys like, you know, fifth graders are listening. You know, 12 year olds are listening. Please. And I just love that.
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C
I mean, the fact that you felt compelled to raise your standard around him and it wasn't because of. There was a humility about him at the same time. So it's not like he. It was a lack of self awareness. Not at all.
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D
It was so different from. There are a lot of people who have A strong effect because they're just very domineering. And he was not domineering. What he was was. I loved that apostolic line you mentioned that what really burst out of him was the constant sense of mission. He was always doing his mission. Even when he was taking a break. It was this. Oh, this is the break in my mission. And it's quite temporary and delimited and I'm still talking about other things. I still have my responsibilities to my family and that's my mission too. He, he never. I always love to say that people would ask me if I hung out with, with Charlie. And I said, I don't know if Charlie has ever hung out in his entire life.
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B
Well, I'm saying the joke was like, I tried having fun once and I hated it.
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D
Yeah, exactly. But he could have fun.
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C
He could have fun.
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B
He actually had a lot of fun. But it was, it was when he was at work with his colleagues and peers and people he's laboring at.
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D
What he would never do is he would never say, oh, I was planning to do this thing tonight, forget about it, let's just go go karting or something like that. He would not, he would never punt on something important to be lazy, to be casual. And not a lot of people can do that. I can't do that. And yeah, it really made him exceptional.
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B
So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna veer this conversation into something that broke on the news last night. And that was. And I was asked about it on Tim Pool. I was honored to join Tim's show last night. He's actually broadcasting from Turning Point and he's actually going to help co host the show tomorrow. So we're really excited about that. But they asked me about this letter that Charlie had written to BB Netanyahu and this was something that we were very aware of. We didn't think it was controversial at all. It apparently leaked. It was about a seven page letter that he wrote in May. And it was his encouragements and his admonitions, his admonishments, rather to the way that they were handling their PR situation. He was like, hey, listen, I'm out on an island here. I have to defend you all the time. And it shouldn't be my job, it should be your job. Give me from your perspective. I know you talked about Israel with Charlie. You talked about all of this stuff. What was, what is your perspective on that letter? What was your perspective on the reaction to the letter and what was in the contents of it?
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C
So I did read the letter last night. And I mean, essentially it's everything I ever heard Charlie say about this very topic. Publicly or privately? Both. His, you know, his support and love of Israel and the Jewish people. His concerns about whether or not we're going to just label everybody that has disagreements with Israeli policy. I mean, hey, during COVID when we were pushing back on that, I mean, I was very critical of the government of Israel. During that, Bibi Netanyahu launched probably the worst lockdown of any industrialized country, free industrialized country in the world. His successor, Naftali Bennett, I mean, I even said on my show, guys, I'm like, has he not read a history book? Did we not understand the last time we turned the Jewish people over to a biomedical fascist state? I mean, Naftali Bennett basically allowed the people of Israel to be. Pfizer's human trial on behalf of the.
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B
Rest of the world's politics are, would be considered left leaning politics.
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C
Yes, yes. And so I. Are we going to say though, if you have criticisms of their policy, we're going to automatically jump to the anti Semite card. At the same time, we have a rising tide of anti Semitism on the right that I know Charlie was greatly concerned about. In fact, him and I, he was discussing with me how we could organize, you know, an evangelical specific pushback to that. Just literally in the last days before he died, we were having those conversations and one of the things that we talked about in order to. Because how do we. Because we're undergoing a generational sifting right now in the church. The two primary denominations you're seeing young men return to en masse are Catholic and Reformed Protestantism. And even though there's deep doctrinal differences there going back to, you know, the Reformation. Yes. They both have the historical Christian view, pre dispensationalism of the nation of Israel.
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B
Explain that though. Pause at pre dispensationalism for those who.
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C
Don'T understand long word. Yeah. So the pre. Before dispensationalism, the church primarily believed that the covenant with Israel was fulfilled when Jesus said it is finished. Not just the wrath of God is finished, but the that covenant is finished. The ultimate role of Israel was to bring forth Messiah. And that has been completed. And especially when the. When in 70 and then in 110 AD when this temple was destroyed in 70 AD and Jerusalem was ransacked in 110 AD that, that early Christians believed that was, that was the abomination of desolation at the Olivet Discourse that Jesus was warning about, in fact, one of the great divisions in the early church were, remember, everybody's a Jew at first. It's just a matter of whether they believe Yeshua is Messiah or not. And so when they, when they watched the Roman legions go into the temple and defile it, they viewed that the early churches, oh, this is what Jesus warned us about, the abomination of desolation. So they fled. Right. And, and the non, the non messianic Jews stood and fought. And that created some traditional division between these two camps going forward was that moment. And so the early church believed that that was the fulfillment of that prophecy, that it was over. Most of them did there, there have been some, some sects that believed that there was going to be a future iteration of Israel later. But. And then Augustine comes in the 4th century and this overwhelmingly now becomes. He's Augustine's the most formative figure in the church in the post canon era. And many, much of what the Reformers wanted to reinstall was just old Augustinian versions views of Catholicism, frankly. And so this idea that sometimes it's called replacement theology, I think it's more complicated than that, that essentially now Israel's role in the prophetic timeline is fulfilled and now this is the era of the church. All right, and we could do predispensationalism. That's pre dispensationalism. And there's always variations, guys, and there's always debates within these.
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B
So when would you say dispensation sensationalism was on the rise? A lot of people look at the rise of the Scofield Bible and that.
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C
That does have some. You know, it's funny, I saw, I saw John Rich do that show with Tucker Carlson about a year ago and I kind of chuckled at the controversy because when I, I got converted when I was a local host in Des Moines, and so I started asking all these questions, I don't know. And I start bringing people on with these various views and man, the amount of controversy it caused 20 years ago in Des Moines, Iowa. All right. Let alone what it's what it's going to do on a show the size of Tucker's to have this conversation. But there is part of that. But, but here's the thing. The dispensational churches, particularly coming out of the moody system, they were the ones when the mainline Protestant and mainline Reformed and mainline Lutheran churches that had the historical view they went, when they went mainline and then went apostate. It was the churches that were sending around the, the pamphlets called the Fundamentals all over the country. That's hence the term fundamentalism. They were the ones that held on to orthodoxy that did not become apostate. And so many Christians, particularly in the older generations. I'm a. I'm an Xer and boomers had no idea that there were other views about Israel and prophecy because the Orthodoxy that was being taught came strictly at a dispensational.
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B
People don't know this, but Catholics have a whole prayer. I believe they play. They pray it at Israel or an Easter.
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D
The Easter vigil has a lot of prayers. And one of them is for the Jewish people.
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B
They say God.
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D
For those who do not believe in Christ, they kind of have.
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C
Now Spurgeon. I'm a big Spurgeon guy. Spurgeon detested dispensationalism, but he also believed there was going to be a free. A future reconstitution of Israel with the intent of a great revival in the end times. He also believed that Charlie.
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B
Charlie would talk about this a lot too, about the. One of the best arguments for Israel is the land rights, because God promised the land to Israel. His promises are never ending. So, yeah, you could talk about who the fulfillment of the church is. Is it Christians, Is it the church of Christ? Is it Christ Church, or is it Jews? It's a big topic. I didn't know we were going to go here, but this is fascinating. So you're walking through this history and you're saying the church was mostly pre dispensationalist. And then at some point, would you say in the early 1900s?
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C
Early 1900s. For sure.
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B
The ascendancy of dispensationalism, which in a nutshell means that when the Bible's talking about who the church is or who the people of God are, he still means the Jewish people to some extent.
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C
Yeah, there's the Jews and the Christians and the Gentile church are on dual D U, A L, dual tracks of redemption, of prophetic redemption. And we're in the age of the Gentiles now. And when the church is raptured, and that will be the end of the age of the Gentiles. And then God will turn to the Jewish people one last time for the fulfillment of that covenant. And then. Then we'll usher in the second coming of Christ.
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B
Pre dispensationalism believes that the church is the fulfillment. Yes now becomes the.
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C
Yes.
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B
Right, but it. But which is. It's complicated. Right, because.
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C
And people within these camps don't even agree with each other.
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B
All these things and by the way, they're just so the audience is clear within these two camps. If you think of them as the, the sort of two ends of the spectrum, there's multiple camps in the middle and variations of each.
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C
We could do a month of shows on this and just scratch the surface.
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B
This is why. Because the Bible, it like, it's complicated, right? Because Paul's talking about, well, you're in grafted branches, so which means that, you know, we're like wild olive.
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C
And that's why I think we should. And this is something Charlie and I definitely agreed on. That's why while we're going to have this debate and it needs to be had, okay, we're a generation past due having this debate. Are we still dispensational or we historical? In the meantime, Islam hates us all.
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B
That's exactly what we're doing.
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C
We need to focus on that.
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B
That's where we're going to land the plane. You read my mind. Because if there's anything that is clear to me about the last few months, it was that he had a laser pinpoint focus on raising the flag, sounding the alarm about the rise of Islam in the West. You know, the point of that letter, and I just want to put a pin on that, and then we're going to go to Islam. Is Charlie called what Israel was doing PR malpractice. And you know, it's kind of like the Bible says, the wounds of a friend can be trusted. He was respectful in tone because he's speaking to a world leader. But, you know, it was a private letter because it was pretty brutal actually. It was saying, you know, this is bad pr. And Charlie would say on the show, the pr, the Israeli pr and the lack of confronting this information machine that's against you is malpractice and you need to fix it.
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C
Which is a great argument against a Zionist conspiracy that controls the world when they have such a bad PR machine.
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B
That's a fair point. And I always think the other good point is that, you know, if they control the world, why, why is the UN so against them? But you know, why they, why is it fixated on them? But, but the point is Charlie was less concerned about that and more concerned about this rise of Islam in the West. You see this in places like Dearborn in America. You, you, you talk to politicians in Michigan, by the way, and they're like, well, I can't say that because I got, I've been in these conversations because I gotta, you know, I gotta say things because there's so many Muslims now. Charlie was warning against invaders that would rule over you. And that's an example. It's a soft. That's how it happens. That's how it starts. And then you go to places like London. You were with him in London. What was he saying when he was in London?
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D
It was so jarring when we went in London and we get in this very posh. Tony, whatever, choose your word that you want in central London. And storefronts have the lettering in Arabic. We were staying in. He was staying in a pretty decent hotel. If you turned on the television, there's as many television channels that are in Arabic as in English. They had Saudi tv, they had Lebanese tv, they had Pakistani tv, Qatari Egyptian. They even had the Saudi children's channel. So it was showing a Spyro the Dragon show, but in Arabic. And it was so jarring for him to see that. And then he's talking to people and they're saying, yeah, there's thousands of mosques in London at this point. People are running and getting elected to parliament on a free Gaza platform.
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B
Well, and then you go to, like, France and the women have to wear, you know, subway shirts because the immigrant men are not used to seeing young women in tank tops or whatever. And there was, you know, obviously you have the rape gangs. But it also affects just the body politic, because now you have to start speaking to this new contingent of voters.
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D
That is only growing, only growing.
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B
And they're having way more.
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D
People are bad at the math of this. They'll think, this is a 4% minority, it's not a big deal. Yet in 25 years, they've grown to 8% and they're still growing. And so you can do the math and say, yeah, by 2050, the UK is going to be 25%.
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B
There was that terrifying clip out of Denmark where this Danish guy is getting into a fight with an argument with a Muslim immigrant. And he goes, In 10 years, you don't have any babies. We have lots of kids. He's like, we are going to control you in 10 years.
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C
Here's the thing. For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam. And so if you think our. I'm not saying we don't have to rethink some of our aspects of our alliance with Israel, but if you think that we are incurring the wrath of Islam because of our alliance with Israel, I'm going to disprove it right now. For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel. But we still had Islam. How did Islam treat the Christian west during that time? It went to war with it the entire time the Holy Roman Empire was formed because the Muslims had taken Vienna and they were a block south of Paris. All right, so this idea that if anything, if anything, Israel is actually a cudgel between us and Islam. If there were no Jewish state in the Middle east, all of that energy would just all be directed at us. And I think we can have, and I want us to have the big prophetic debates. We're a generation overdue. Your boomer parents were wrong to care more about Israeli Defense Force maneuvers around the Temple Mount than the school board in your local neighborhood. They were wrong.
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B
So well said.
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C
Thank you. And you're wrong to rebuke. You're right to rebuke that. But let's also have a historical perspective and understand that Israel that. That Islam hates Jews and Christians alike. We're all people of the book, and so whatever prophetic view we have of the nation of Israel will not alter what Islam thinks of Christendom whatsoever. And it will still try to conquer you nevertheless. And Charlie understood that. And that, I think, is where we are going to be able to find unity on this.
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B
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that it was probably the thing he railed against the loudest and the most in the final days. And, you know, we have to come to grips with the fact that Islam is a political and a military ideology wrapped in a religious, you know, context.
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C
Separation of church and state is not a debatable tension in Islam.
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B
Yeah, it doesn't exist. Steve, please, really quick. Where can people follow you and watch.
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C
Your show at stevedayshow. D E A C E on X. Everything we do is all cataloged and indexed there for the Blaze and everywhere else.
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B
This has been a pleasure, my friend. Again, I just want to reiterate. Charlie loved you and he trusted you, and God bless you. Thank you for making the trip. I know this isn't easy, so you honor us.
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C
Anytime I can do it, you let me know.
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B
Thank you, Steve.
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C
You got it, brother. God bless.
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B
All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow.
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D
For more on many of these stories.
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B
And news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.