Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — "Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days"

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Andrew Colvett (executive producer), Blake Neff, Mikey McCoy, Josh Hammer (Newsweek), Unidentified Guests

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Charlie Kirk’s and his team’s warnings about the “Islamization” of the West, contemporary immigration debates, and the meaning of being “American.” Key moments include discussion of Zoram Mamdani’s meeting with Trump, the transformation of cities through migration, the compatibility of Islam with Western civilization, and reflections on Charlie’s legacy and philosophy, particularly regarding American identity and societal threats.

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Main Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Opening Reflections and Mobilizing Listeners (00:03)

• Charlie Kirk starts by asserting his commitment to fighting evil and maintaining traditional values:

  “If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.” (00:07)

• Emphasizes action: starting TPUSA chapters, church activism, early marriage, and large families.
• Recalls his Christian faith as the central decision in his life.

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2. Islamization of the West: Context & Concerns (01:09–04:13)

• Andrew Colvett introduces the main subject: Muslim politician Zoram Mamdani’s meeting with President Trump.
• Debate on significance:
  Blake Neff dismisses Mamdani as a “cultural Muslim,” not a devout religious figure, but emblematic of anti-Western sentiment:

  “He just identifies with Islam. To say, I'm not American, I'm not Western. I follow this alien faith that is historically anti west, anti Western civilization...” (02:13)

• Contrasts with UK cities like Birmingham and Manchester, citing “radical mosques” and Sharia advocacy.
• Mikey McCoy notes political gains by openly Islamic or Palestine-centric candidates in Europe.

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3. The Mamdani–Trump White House Meeting (04:13–05:57)

• Andrew Colvett speculates on possible outcomes: will it be a civil discussion or a populist stunt?
• Blake Neff observes Mamdani’s political opportunism, referencing his changeable rhetoric toward Trump.
• Trump’s Tone:

  “I think it's gonna be quite civil. We'll find out.” — (Trump) (05:30)

• Blake Neff:

  “A lot of sociopaths are good at politics.” (05:57)

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4. Policy, Free Stuff, and “Unserious” Politics (06:13–07:48)

• Discussion turns to Mamdani’s vague funding commitments for progressive policies in New York.
• Andrew Colvett characterizes these promises as impractical and unserious:

  “We don't have the money. The thing that I said we were gonna do to fund the free buses and the free stuff, socialism, the free stuff, populism, we can't do it.” (06:43)

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5. Threats of Civil Strife & the Lebanon Analogy (07:48–09:19)

• Andrew Colvett: Warns that, without conservative leadership, leftist “tyranny” and societal breakdown could occur.
• References “sectarian civil strife” between Christians and Muslims in Dearborn, likened to Lebanon’s transformation:

  “If this is allowed to fester...my case in point, historically, is Lebanon.” (08:13)

• Historical context (Blake Neff):

  “When your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump.” (09:04)

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6. The Argument: Islam Incompatible with the West? (24:09–28:05)

• Charlie Kirk (via clip, paraphrased throughout):

  “Islam is not compatible with the West.” (24:09, paraphrased from multiple mentions)

• Josh Hammer provides historical and philosophical context:

  "When we talk about what the west is, at its core, it is the outgrowth of the Bible. It is the outgrowth of the two biblical religions of Judaism and Christianity. That is how I define the West." (25:41)

• Hammer insists that, categorically, Islam is not compatible—but makes exceptions for individual, assimilated Muslims:

  “There are any number of patriotic great American citizen Muslims, but at a categorical scale. At a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization...” (27:13)

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7. “What Is an American?”: A Definitional Debate (18:15–24:15 and 29:55–31:04)

• Josh Hammer:

  “The paperweight definition of being a citizen, that you are born [or] nationalized into citizenship is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient... American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folkways and general just ways of life of this country.” (19:42)

• Argues American identity is rooted in Protestant-derived cultural traditions—assimilation's importance emphasized.
• Charlie Kirk (clip):

  “An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport...You had a tear in your eye on July 4th. That you worship God, not Allah.” (29:55)

• Panel jokes that Charlie "looks like he fell out of 1775." (30:51)
• Blake Neff notes that the left now sees only newcomers as “true Americans.” (31:04)

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8. Immigration, Displacement & Community Transformation (11:16–16:45)

• Blake Neff reads a State Department thread against “mass migration,” citing UK, Sweden, Germany as cautionary tales of migrant crime—with explicit examples of abuse and failed justice.
• Andrew Colvett shares anecdote about demographic change in Dallas, linking legal immigration to community "displacement":

  “It used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick or treating...And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents...have been displaced...” (13:20)

• Critique of liberal inconsistency: past concern for gentrification, present indifference to “American” displacement.

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9. Policy Solutions & Moratorium Proposals (27:53–28:20)

• Andrew Colvett:

  “Do we stop mass immigration from Islamic countries?”

• Josh Hammer:

  “Stopping mass immigration I think is the lowest hanging fruit...I have to subscribe to a short term, full scale immigration moratorium... definitely a moratorium when it comes to every Muslim majority [country].” (27:53–28:05)

• Discussion of the RAISE Act and merits-/number-based immigration reform.

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10. Sedition, Treason, and Political Strife (31:35–34:57)

• References recent video by the "Seditious Six" urging military disobedience; panel decries it as “incitement to insurrection.”
• Josh Hammer: Outlines legal vs. political remedies for sedition, calls it “absolutely nuts.”
• Warns of ongoing demonization of conservatives and the need for vigilance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk: “An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport...You had a tear in your eye on July 4th. That you worship God, not Allah.” (29:55)
• Blake Neff: “When your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump.” (09:04)
• Josh Hammer: “At a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization...” (27:13)
• Andrew Colvett: “The left actually has pretty much inverted it where you're only an American if you are not from here.” (31:04)
• Blake Neff: “A lot of sociopaths are good at politics.” (05:57)
• Josh Hammer: “[What is American?] Necessary, but hardly sufficient… you have to become acculturated.” (19:42)
• Andrew Colvett: “If there was not a President Trump...these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly.” (07:48)
• Blake Neff: “It's the fix everything easily switch. And everyone's like, no, we've never pressed that switch before. It can't be that simple. But it is.” (16:21)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:03 — Charlie Kirk’s opening monologue: faith, activism, life philosophy
• 01:09–04:13 — Introduction: Islamization of the West, Mamdani–Trump meeting setup
• 06:43 — Debating “free stuff” policies and their feasibility
• 08:13–09:19 — Lebanon as analogy for Christian–Muslim civil strife
• 11:16–15:02 — State Department anti-mass migration statement and community displacement
• 18:15–24:15 — What is an American? Panel discussion and personal philosophies
• 24:09–28:05 — Arguments on Islam and Western civilization, compatibility debate
• 29:55–31:04 — Charlie’s own articulation of “Americanism”
• 31:35–34:57 — Seditious Six and sedition discussion, legal implications

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Conclusion

This episode is a forceful, sometimes provocative discussion on the future of American and Western identity, the role of Islam and mass migration, and the definition of citizenship and belonging. Across pointed commentary and personal reflections—including Charlie Kirk's own voice—the prevailing view is that assimilation into a Protestant-infused set of values is essential to being a “real American,” and that mass migration, particularly from Muslim-majority nations, threatens this identity and Western civilization broadly. The tone is unapologetically conservative, combative, and urgent.

Listeners seeking an unfiltered, activist-oriented conservative perspective on culture, religion, and politics will find this episode to be a rich—and controversial—exploration of those themes.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.

[Blake Neff]

Use me.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett here, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Mikey McCoy. Sir, in the studio, Blake Neff. Also in the studio, we are talking about the creeping Islamization of the west or Islamification, debatable. Which?

[Blake Neff]

Islamization.

[Andrew Colvett]

Islamization, Islamization. Islamization of the West. And it's key today because we have, of course, Zoram Mamdani, arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump at the White House today. Apparently, he reached out. Trump accepted the invitation, and they are meeting at the White House today. Also, we have lots of other news to get to, including a fake WaPo story. The state Department is coming out swinging. There's a lot to get to. But let's start here with Mamdani. Is this significant or is it not significant, Blake, that we have a Muslim, communist, socialist, whatever you want to call him, visiting the White House?

[Blake Neff]

I mean, we've mentioned the Islamic thing, but mostly with Mamdani. Mamdani is clearly not a devout Muslim in any meaningful way. He just identifies with Islam. To say, I'm not American, I'm not Western. I follow this alien faith that is historically anti west, anti Western civilization, which I condemn all the time and want to rip down. That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense. Now, if you want to see real Islamic government, go to the UK where you straight up have, you know, Allahu akbar guys who are running for office where Gaza is their number one issue. You know, it's really bad. You go walk around Birmingham where the Industrial revolution began. That was the Silicon valley of the 19th century. And it's now tons of radical mosques, imams who say we need Sharia, people just milling about like it basically looks like it's Baghdad.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, I do think this is still a step in that direction though. Even if he isn't as radical as some of these.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, for sure, for sure.

[Mikey McCoy]

But yeah, Blake, you're right. There's actually someone literally ran in Manchester under the party umbrella of Palestine.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Like not labor, not conservative, just Palestine. And they actually won.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

And so that, that's, that's kind of the representation of this Islam mindset that. But it's also interesting that Mamdani's going to meet with Trump. When I think he said, do we have that clip where he says that his administration is going to be the worst nightmare for Trump?

[Blake Neff]

They might.

[Mikey McCoy]

And then as soon as he gets elected, he's going, well, it'll be really.

[Blake Neff]

Interesting to hear how it goes cuz you can think of a few ways. One, Trump is a very proud New Yorker. He clearly has a ton of fondness for the city. So I can frankly see if the mayor is makes noises about wanting to play ball with him. I feel like Trump could be won over surprisingly easily. But it could also be that Mayor Mamdani sees this as an opportunity to do a big stunt. He can get a story about how he had a throw down argument with Trump in the Oval Office or wherever they're meeting and get a lot of attention that way. I feel, yeah, either person could be going into that meeting with an agenda. Maybe both of them are and yeah, we'll find out what that agenda.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. 380 as Zoron changes his tune on Trump. Play it.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare. I have many disagreements with the President and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker. I intend to make it clear that to President Trump that I will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's always fun to watch people change their taste.

[Blake Neff]

Politics is great.

[Andrew Colvett]

Politics is great. But by the way, this is, you know, again, I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews interview, which again, I encourage everybody to go check it out. The great feminization. But this is typical like dude behavior. Guys tend to like they saber rattle, they say big things and then they're like, hey, let's hang out. Let's hear President Trump 392 talking about the tone that he expects within the White House meeting today.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

Well, I was hitting him a little hard, too, in all fairness. I don't know exactly what he means by turning the volume up, because. Turn the volume up. He has to be careful when he says that to me. I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know. And we're gonna have a meeting. I guess we meet at 3 o' clock today. And I think it's gonna be quite civil. We'll find out.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is very Trumpian.

[Mikey McCoy]

Super Trumpian. Yeah. This is super Trump.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

It's like super tramp. You're too young to know what that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is, but it is interesting because Mamdani, when we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's a talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance speech where he was like, turn the volume up. President Trump.

[Blake Neff]

A lot of sociopaths are good at politics.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, no, exactly. And so he's smiling his way. This is great. Is that when he gets challenged on things, he ends up really revealing that there's not a whole lot there. The emperor has no clothes. 378.

[Charlie Kirk]

How are you getting that money, the 700 million to make the buses free.

[Josh Hammer]

Into the MCA, if she's not for raising taxes?

[Unidentified Guest 1]

You know, I think that the two clearest ways to raise that money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax to match New Jersey. I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made, whether it's the corporate tax or that's the personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more. I think that these are the clearest ways. I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it. Not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.

[Andrew Colvett]

So we don't have the money. The thing that I said we were gonna do to fund the free buses and the free stuff, socialism, the free stuff, populism, we can't do it. But it's fine. We're gonna figure it out. Blake, there's, you know, that's fair enough.

[Blake Neff]

We'll see.

[Mikey McCoy]

But that's actually. I think that's okay. Like, we shouldn't be too scared because, like, look, I just think to the Biden administration, literally, as soon as he got elected, Turning Point got an audit, like, immediately. And, like, they went straight after the J6ers. They went straight after. And they were following up on all these.

[Andrew Colvett]

They went after Tyler above and beyond.

[Mikey McCoy]

They went after Tyler, they went after.

[Andrew Colvett]

Our team, and so they spied on us.

[Mikey McCoy]

They spied on us.

[Andrew Colvett]

Turning Point was involved unknowingly in Arctic Frost, which means they were spying on this organization. Our own government spied on Turning Point.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

So I'll just say I'll take this version of Mamtani. There's a lot of saber rattling, but on top of that, it shows how unserious of a person he is in a very serious city in the United States of America, where it's just a lot of noise but not a lot of substance.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, but here's the thing. I really believe that if there was not a President Trump in the White House, if we did not have control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly. So what you're seeing is you're seeing the rumblings of a beginning.

[Josh Hammer]

That will.

[Andrew Colvett]

Take full bloom if allowed. And I think that's why we talked about why Dearborn is important, what happened yesterday. It's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that eventually will and could erupt into actual violence in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is allowed to fester. And I. And my case in point, historically, is Lebanon. Lebanon used to be basically 100% Christian. It was controlled by the French. Like, you're gonna know the history better than I. But then they sort of cast off their colonial powers, and now Lebanon is. Lebanon was 15 to 30%.

[Blake Neff]

Lebanon was created to be the Christian country in the Middle East. It is no longer a Christian country. We don't know the percentage because it's too politically loaded with. Their demographics are. So nobody ever can conduct a census.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Estimated at about 30% Christian.

[Blake Neff]

That's what they always will say, that it's probably lower, to be honest, because the Christians are wealthier. And they got out of Dodge because there was a civil war shocker. Because when your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and that's essentially what we all have to sort of brace for and why we are warning about the Islamization.

[Blake Neff]

It's really remarkable. I can riff here, but, like, we just had Saudi Arabia visit D.C. and everything that's going on in the Gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West. It's really glaring.

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[Blake Neff]

Yeah, no, that's just so. It's just a thread. I'll just read the whole thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. State389.

[Blake Neff]

Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies. Today, the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration. Mass migration is a human rights concern. Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults and displacement of communities. U.S. officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration officials. Well, I'm just going to Skip ahead to 1. They cite some examples. In the United Kingdom, thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men. Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in. In Sweden, an Eritrean migrant convicted of raping a 16 year old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a, quote, exceptionally, exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant Deportation In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted for the gang rape of a 15 year old. A German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves. US officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens. The US supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration. We stand ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration. Yes, I am pretty sure I haven't confirmed. I'm pretty sure our friend Sarah Rogers was involved in making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.

[Andrew Colvett]

We cannot confirm.

[Blake Neff]

I know it is as close to her heart as it is close to mine. It is something she and Charlie talked about.

[Andrew Colvett]

We should find that meme, the light switch meme. Cause it really is. If you want to know what and listen, I'm not scapegoating. There are good immigrants, I get it. And some of them are very patriotic and we're lucky to have them. However, a policy of mass migration. One of the things that really bothers me is what it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities. I was just on a phone call with a friend last night who lives in Dallas and he said that his parents live in a neighborhood next to him and it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick or treating, that all the kids would go out and Christmas lights and they would have block parties. And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of that neighborhood have been displaced, moved out. The way that they interact with their neighbors is really like uncomfortable. There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women. I'm not saying that it's all of them, but this is a report from a friend that's saying, and by the way, you go to the malls there and it's basically all Indians. Now this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, Red, Texas. And most of that is coming from H1BS. It's coming from legal immigration, it's coming from family reunification policies. And that displacement used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when it would come to inner city gentrification during the early 2000s. They would talk about the displacement in San Francisco, in Brooklyn and these types of places and they write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced. Well, now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced from their own communities. It's Americans of all stripes, of all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels. And there's not a drop of sympathy from the left.

[Mikey McCoy]

That's so well said. That was amazing.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's just, well, so hopefully this is paving the way, I think what they might be setting up. It'd be very interesting if the U.S. for example, gave asylum to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons for saying, I don't want my country to become an Islamist hellhole. But you could do other stuff. It'd be interesting if we were, because you could also set up to say, oh well, the U.S. we have these mechanisms for caring about human rights abroad. So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates a two tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany. There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually it does matter a lot that all of our supposed NATO allies, our closest allies, are becoming places where they're replacing their own populations. They're making it illegal to complain about it. They're treating white people as inherent oppressors who should be punished more severely by the judicial system. They're not enforcing the law against migrants. They're letting Sharia courts take over their biggest cities.

[Andrew Colvett]

And we see a form of this in the United States too, where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote unquote marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity. You saw this in Chicago this week where maybe get me the facts on this case. But basically this gentleman had been arrested, what, like 40 priors, and then he sets a woman on fire on endless.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, and it really is throw it up now. I think it's the new whatever it is, the fix everything switch. It is so, so many of these things are so basically fixable. It's enforce the law in cities and it's stop importing 18 billion people. It's the fix everything easily switch. And everyone's like, no, we've never, we've never pressed that switch before. It can't be that simple. But it is.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Josh Hammer]

Andrew, it's great to see you, my friend.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, you too as well. So Charlie used to talk about the difference between a paperwork American versus a real American. And we were still sort of working on our working definition of what it was. I don't think we had settled the story yet or settled the debate internally, but we definitely knew that paperwork alone did not make one an American, at least in an important sense of where their loyalties are, where their values are at, even where their language is at. Yes, there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your legal right to be here to vote in our elections, that sort of thing for our audience. Josh, define what the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is.

[Josh Hammer]

Well, Angel, I'll do the best I can. I'm not sure that I have an elevator pitch kind of 10 second answer to that question, but I will do the best I can. Let me take a step back and say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of this piece that I read from a University of Virginia political science professor named James Caesar many, many years ago. He was talking about because you know, Andrew, as you know from my previous appearances here, I'm also a lawyer. So I think a lot about the separation of powers, the Constitution. And Professor Caesar has this notion where he contrasts a literal violation of the separation of powers in a black letter, Article 1, Article 2, Article 3 of the Constitution sense versus kind of a more political violation of the separation of powers. So his point was that you could, even if you're not technically violating the separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedents or whatnot there, you could spiritually violate the overarching tenor of our separation of powers. That is ultimately our number one safeguard for liberty in this country. So that's kind of the analogy that I take to this what is an American question, which I wrote about today and was really kind of prompted by Zormadani coming to be visit Donald Trump. Is he an American? All these folks who are in Dearborn, Michigan who are chanting Allu Akbar, death to America. Is this what it means to be an American? Right? I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff. And the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota, when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number one subsidizer of Al Shabaab, the formerly Al Qaeda offshoot, now independent Sunni Islamic terrorist organization in Somalia, all this stuff I think, really raises this question that indeed Charlie was thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months. It raised it to the forefront. So the paperweight definition of being a citizen, that you are born nationalized into citizenship is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient. It is not sufficient, I think, to be an American in the sense of the term that we should think of being an American. American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folkways and general just ways of life of this country. And this country, ever since its founding days, Andrew, has been really shaped by, by its majority Protestant culture. You hear a lot about the, about the Protestant work ethic, things like that there. And you know, I think, I think about my own ancestors, right? My own ancestors, Jews from Eastern Europe who came during the Ellis island immigration wave, late 19th century, early 20th century. For them, it was fairly obvious that you don't just have to become a citizen, you don't just have to learn the language, you don't just have to pay your taxes, do all that there. But you really do have to become deeply involved in the, in the folkways, in the general way of life of the country. There. There's something thicker, we might say there's something morally and historically thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the language. By the way, a lot of these folks are not doing that. They're not even paying their taxes, speaking the language. But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood that even that is enough, that you have to really kind of become a full participant in what? JOHN Jay in the Federalist Federalist Number Two, one of the first essays The Federalist Papers famously starts writing about, about how Americans were descended from a common stock and they had similar mannerisms and a similar religion there. And I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Protestant. I'm Jewish, of course. But whether you're a Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, or in theory, potentially if you're of a different religion there, you really do have to publicly acculturate yourself and publicly assimilate into the Protestant majority inherited culture that goes back hundreds of years, well before the American founding, frankly, into British culture. So that's kind of how I think about it, Andrew. When I see things like, like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is acculturated Americanism. But look, me personally, I can be an observant Jew in my private life, which I am, and praise be to God for that, I'm very happy with that. But I am a very fully public facing American because I fully participate in this country's civic institutions. I am engaged in the act of trying to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation to the next. And I am deeply thankful indeed grateful for this country's long standing Protestant traditions with which really no one better I think embodied than our friend Charlie Kerr.

[Blake Neff]

We argued with Charlie, I remember we had one of our later thought crimes. We had that discussion, you know, it's like, are you basically more American if you are Protestant? And obviously I'm Catholic, Jack was Catholic. But we had that debate because I was like, America really is like, it is a Protestant country. That is what its founding is, that fractiousness, that hostility to a certain level of authority. So even American Catholics are actually a bit Protestant because they're always arguing with the Pope and finding him annoying.

[Andrew Colvett]

The most Protestant Catholics in the world are American Catholics.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's very funny. And of course you see that with American Jews as well. They adopted a lot of that. And it's something I think about with the Islamization thing. Obviously in America we have the First Amendment, we have freedom of religion. But I've often had that thought, can even the freedom of American Muslims to practice their religion really survive? If America becomes too much of an Islamic country, I feel it will lose too much of that historical heritage.

[Andrew Colvett]

The historical heritage is. And really the founders of the country were talking about freedom of religion. You could be a Quaker, you can be an Anglican, you can be. That's really what they were talking about.

[Blake Neff]

They weren't even sure if the Catholic.

[Andrew Colvett]

Part could have that. We had Maryland.

[Blake Neff]

Not by then.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay. Yeah. But the point is that really, that's what they were thinking about. They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from Mother England. And I do think that Charlie said this very clearly. He said, Islam is not compatible with the West. Islam is not compatible with the West. So what do we do, Josh? I mean, you say it really well here. You say you kind of reflect on Dearborn and you say United States was never a blank slate society, like any nation that has a distinct inheritance. And you say this is the challenge of Dearborn. It is. Too many distinct cultural communities now reject this framework. So what do we do? Because a lot of these people, we can't denaturalize some of these. We can't strip them of their citizenship. We're still dealing with birthright citizenship, which I think is completely farcical. What do we do?

[Josh Hammer]

Yeah. So let me just briefly, before answering that question, Andrew, echo your point, which is that the American founding was really going. Was supposed to be a patchwork essentially of different Protestant sects. In fact, the original meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion does not mean separation of church and state. Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision. Congress shall make the law because the states can make laws. And in fact, they literally did that for decades and decades after the founding. For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the established church of congregationalism until the 1830s. There's many other examples there. So your point is actually very well taken. There also were Jews and Catholics who were there at the time of the founding. It was definitely heavily Protestant, but Jews and Catholics were very much there. For instance, the no religious test clause in the Constitution where there will be no test for office, no oath of a certain religion. And that was Alexander Hamilton's work. He put that in there. Historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish friends and colleagues there. Some people debate that, but there was definitely an element there of trying to look out for the Jews and Catholics. So they were definitely there. But it really was this Protestant patchwork. So your point is very well taken. Look, Charlie is essentially, or he was essentially correct, that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. I define Western civilization, Andrew. I define it as the ecumenical biblical inheritance. Now, there is a role, certainly for Greco Roman reason. There is a big role, frankly, for Greco Roman reason. But when we talk about what the west is, at its core, it is the outgrowth of the Bible. It is the outgrowth of the two biblical religions of Judaism and Christianity. That is how I define the West. And that is how I conceive it. So is Islam compatible with that? Well, at a theoretical level, no. I mean it seems pretty obvious frankly that it is not. Islam has been at war with Christianity and obviously Judaism more modern times, but really historically at war with Christianity essentially since Islam was founded. So I mean the historical record, whether it's the siege of vienna in the 17th century, whether it's the first and second Barbary wars under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, there is a long historical track record evincing that Islam is not broadly compatible with Western civilization. Here's what I will say. Here's the caveat to that. That is not that. That blanket categorical statement is not to say that there are not individual dispensations. That's not to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be a good American. So Abe Hamada right there in Arizona, Judy Jasser also in Arizona, any number of other individuals I can think of, there are any number of patriotic great American citizen Muslims, but at a categorical scale. At a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization or frankly with.

[Andrew Colvett]

So what do we do? Do we stop mass immigration from Islamic countries?

[Josh Hammer]

So stopping mass immigration I think is the lowest hanging fruit. We should obviously do that. Personally, Andrew, I have to subscribe to a short term, full scale immigration moratorium. Period, full stop, end of story. But definitely, definitely a moratorium when it comes to every Muslim majority.

[Andrew Colvett]

I want a 10 year moratorium. That's what I wanna push. There just doesn't seem to be an appetite for that yet in Washington to even address the legal question.

[Josh Hammer]

There's not, I mean Trump, to his credit, got behind this with the Raise act back in his first term.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, Tom Cotton, we had a lot of issues with Tom Cotton, but Tom Cotton was right about the RA act and it would have, I guess it would remind me of the details. It would have been like 50%. It would have been 500,000 green cards a year as opposed to 1.2 that we do now. And it would have been merit based.

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[Andrew Colvett]

I'm gonna play a clip from Charlie talking about the what is that American question. Let's go ahead and play cut 403.

[Charlie Kirk]

We have reduced Americanism down to. Well, have you filled out your paperwork? And the left doesn't even believe that. They believe Americans is the presence of being in the United States of America. So what is an American? The best way I can answer it, it is someone that is demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home. That you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for. This is not a dumping ground for the third world. This is not a social experiment. You had a tear in your eye on July 4th. That you worship God, not Allah. That you have a sense of weight and responsibility, that you care about your fellow neighbor. An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk is the literal embodiment of what America Charlie.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Not the least because he basically looks like he fell out of like 1775.

[Andrew Colvett]

It just comes out of his pores, man. And I just love it. You get a tear in your eye on July 4th. Do you worship God, not Allah? Blake?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, just what's funny is at this point, it's almost. That clip we just played doesn't go far enough because it's not even the left thinks you're American if you live here. The left actually has pretty much inverted it where you're only an American if you are not from here. If you're actually from America, you're somehow not a real American. You don't hold the right views on this or that thing, the superior American is always the American who hasn't been found yet. We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and bring them here to give them welfare.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, it's true. I mean, Democrats and their socialists and communist coalition partners, I mean they essentially want an America where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad, crime is allowed because racism, foreigners rule over native born citizens, white people are taxed into subjugation, men are compliant, quiet and castrated, little girls share bathrooms with perverted men, Christianity is outlawed. Why Muslim call to prayer rings out in the streets, truth is censored. And the military can coup a sitting president if they think that he's doing something that they don't like. Josh, I want to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction. You're a lawyer and there's a lot of argument about this video that the Seditious six, as they're calling them now have put out, basically saying, hey, you shouldn't obey the President. President comes out and says, hey, guess what? The penalty for sedition, seditious conspiracy, is death. And then all hell breaks loose. And so that's our current moment. What is sedition? Define it for us, Josh, in legal terms. And did this meet the threshold?

[Josh Hammer]

Well, sedition, Andrew, would be a plot to overthrow the regime, a plot to overthrow the American government, potentially to assassinate the President, to try to do what you can illegally, to essentially destroy the very existence of the House representatives. Absent a constitutional amendment, these would be possible grounds for sedition. Now this video was disgusting. I mean, I did a whole episode on it on my own show. I said this is clearly incitement to insurrection. Is it literally sedition? I mean, the reason I'm hesitating, Andrew, is because when you have elected officials like this, it seems to me like there is potentially another remedy in place. Rather than trying to prosecute on grounds of sedition, which is that you could also just try to expel these members of Congress. You could try to expel Senator Kelly, Senator Slotkin, people like that there. That is something that, that's possible remedy. As a lawyer, I think not just about the possible crime, but about remedies as well. So one remedy could just be expelling is also of course the remedy of the ballot box. Look, I definitely would not be upset. I mean, if the DOJ really decides to pursue this thing and actually decides to say that this is a literal seditious conspiracy, it's a total cell phone in the politics by the way. I mean, who are they playing to? I mean, literally, who are they playing to other than the most radical elements of the Mandani coalition? It's absolutely nuts.

[Andrew Colvett]

It came out of nowhere, too. And then you've got this Representative Crow basically saying, well, I wasn't calling for them to disobey anything just yet. Well, we have three years left of Trump and I just wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring up the possibility. I mean, it's so that's. You're absolutely right. The politics of it were insane. So they've cell phoned themselves. But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing, I'll be honest, like, the first time I saw it, I thought I was like, okay, you guys are trying to be cute with illegal orders. Like, who's to define what's illegal? Is drug boats in the international water, bombing those. Is that illegal to you? Is National Guard troops in Chicago or Portland, Is that illegal to you? So I knew they were being cute, but then when President Trump got really upset about it, I was like, you know what, he's right. Like, these people are playing with fire and they need to be like, warned. They need a brush back pitch. I don't think that. I agree. I don't think the remedy necessarily needs to be immediately, let's try them for treason. But at the same time, they needed a brush back pitch. Brush back pitch. Josh Hammer, final word to you, one minute.

[Josh Hammer]

Yeah, no, look, I mean, but this is who they are. Andrew, I think the point that I will leave the audience on is this. We are now almost a year and a half since Butler, Pennsylvania. We are now over a year since the second attempted assassination in West Palm Beach, Florida. And there's obviously, here we are two and a half months or two plus months after the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk, and they're still doing this. They're still talking about Trump as a Hitlerite tyrannical figure. They're still talking about the American government as a bunch of Nazis. They're still talking about playing fast and loose with sedition. All the while, they're flooding this country with people who hate America, who are not really Americans in a thicker, meaningful sense of the term. It's all just totally dystopian and is yet another reminder that we have to do everything we can possibly do to keep these wretched harridans out of power in these United States.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well said. Well said. Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show, Editor at large at Newsweek. A great new piece on what is an American. Check it out. Josh, thanks for joining us, my friend.

[Josh Hammer]

My pleasure. Thanks, Andrew.

[Blake Neff]

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