The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Debates From the Archive – Charlie on Abortion Part 2
Date: November 15, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk

Episode Overview

This episode features Charlie Kirk engaging in a campus debate around the topic of abortion, responding to skeptical students and activists, and taking on a range of arguments from the pro-choice perspective. The conversation spans moral, scientific, and political dimensions, framed in Charlie’s signature unapologetic, conservative style. Key themes include the moral status of the unborn, the consistency of progressive arguments, adoption, and the legal/political discourse surrounding abortion in America.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage for Open Debate

• Charlie Kirk initiates the debate by stressing the importance of civil discourse, even with groups who disagree:
  • “Let's be the ambassadors for freedom of speech. Cool. Okay, please continue.” (02:18)

2. “My Body, My Choice” & Consistency in Arguments

• Davin Damian (non-binary activist, Male Feminists Defending Women’s Bodies) questions Charlie’s motivation to legislate women’s bodies.
• Charlie uses the principles cited by progressives to challenge them on issues like locker rooms and sports:
  • “Would you then agree with our position as conservatives that biological women should not have to share locker rooms with biological men?” (02:43)
• Davin agrees for sake of consistency, leading to surprising common ground on women's privacy in sports.

3. Satirizing Extremes and Raising the Issue of Child Neglect Laws

• Davin proposes abolishing child neglect laws to highlight what they see as logical consequences of “her body, her choice.”
  • Charlie recognizes the satirical intent:
    • “What he's doing is trying to prove a point that if you are pro choice, then therefore you should also get rid of child neglect laws because it means you actually don't care for the baby, whether it be in the womb or outside of the womb.” (05:08)

4. The Science and Ethics of Embryos & Fetuses

• A female student quizzes Charlie on the menstrual cycle to challenge his authority on women’s bodies and abortion law.
• Debate shifts to when life or “personhood” begins:
  • Charlie: “Here's something we all know...We know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby.” (08:55)
  • Student: “You’re not murdering a baby.” (10:20)
  • Charlie: “What is it then?” (10:22)
• Discussion of biology:
  • When does a fetus become a "baby"? Student says only at birth (10:34-10:35); Charlie counters that life and DNA begin at conception (11:41-12:24).

5. Medical Exceptions, Viability, and Alternative Procedures

• The debate addresses medical necessity for abortion:
  • Charlie: “Why wouldn’t we just put the baby out by C-section instead of terminating it?” (12:52)
  • Student argues C-sections are not always safe; Charlie insists C-section is safer and differentiates between abortion and removal of a deceased fetus (13:01-13:39).

6. The Adoption Versus “Unwanted Child” Argument

• Counterpoint raised: what happens to unwanted children after birth?
• Charlie claims adoption waiting lists outnumber abortions yearly and argues no such thing as an “unwanted child”:
  • “It is never right to justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted. That's how we get Auschwitz.” (14:56-15:20)
• Controversially, Charlie directly equates abortion to the Holocaust:
  • “What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz?” (15:28)

7. Defining Personhood and Rights

• Ongoing debate about the status of embryos/fetuses and when human rights should attach, with Charlie emphasizing biological consistency and decrying “dehumanizing language.”
  • “Our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality.” (16:16)

8. Life Consequences and Responsibility

• Student posits being forced to give birth would ruin her life.
  • Charlie: “Babies are a blessing. Stop talking at them as if there's some sort of annoyance.” (18:01)
  • “If you play certain games, you win certain prizes, if you're going to go have sex.” (18:09)
• Advocates for sexual responsibility, marriage before sex.

9. Challenge to Holocaust Comparison

• Sophie, president of Volts for Israel, disputes the abortion-Holocaust comparison:
  • “Comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion.” (19:59)
  • Charlie responds by discussing the eugenicist roots of Planned Parenthood and tying abortion rates in black neighborhoods to genocidal intent (20:24-21:24).

10. Broader Social Problems & the Limits of Legislation

• Danielle Admo shifts focus to sexual assault and asks about legal/policy responses:
  • Charlie points to existing laws like the Violence Against Women Act, but draws a line between sexual harassment, assault, and rape (26:13).
  • He warns against overcriminalizing less severe behaviors while affirming support for strict enforcement against rape and incest (27:00-27:58).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk (on moral consistency):
  “Our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality.” (16:16)

• Charlie Kirk (on comparison to Holocaust):
  “It's 45 million babies. It's nearly eight times worse than the Holocaust. What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz?” (15:28)

• Sophie (objecting to Holocaust comparison):
  “Comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion.” (19:59)

• Charlie Kirk (on sexual responsibility):
  “If you play certain games, you win certain prizes, if you're going to go have sex.” (18:09)

• Danielle Admo (on sexual assault):
  “What happens to those embryos if they are not aborted? They grow up and they happen to be women. What happens to them when they grow up and they get sexually assaulted?” (23:14)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Common Ground on Women's Spaces: 02:43–03:46
• Satirical Argument about Child Neglect: 04:11–06:08
• Debate over Authority and Biology: 06:34–09:15
• Defining When Life Begins: 10:22–12:24
• Medical Exception Arguments: 12:24–13:39
• Adoption versus Abortion: 14:34–15:28
• Abortion/Holocaust Comparison Challenge: 19:56–21:24
• Sexual Assault Claims and Law: 22:52–27:58

Tone and Style

Throughout, Charlie maintains a combative but occasionally conciliatory tone, sharp on facts and quick to pivot from hypotheticals to moral principle. The audience and student interlocutors range from satirical to confrontational, but debate remains largely focused on substantive disagreements.

This summary captures the core arguments, challenges, and rhetorical highlights, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the exchange and its high-stakes ideological context.