Debates From the Archive - Charlie on Abortion Part 2

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Debates From the Archive – Charlie on Abortion Part 2
Date: November 15, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk

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Episode Overview

This episode features Charlie Kirk engaging in a campus debate around the topic of abortion, responding to skeptical students and activists, and taking on a range of arguments from the pro-choice perspective. The conversation spans moral, scientific, and political dimensions, framed in Charlie’s signature unapologetic, conservative style. Key themes include the moral status of the unborn, the consistency of progressive arguments, adoption, and the legal/political discourse surrounding abortion in America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage for Open Debate

• Charlie Kirk initiates the debate by stressing the importance of civil discourse, even with groups who disagree:
  • “Let's be the ambassadors for freedom of speech. Cool. Okay, please continue.” (02:18)

2. “My Body, My Choice” & Consistency in Arguments

• Davin Damian (non-binary activist, Male Feminists Defending Women’s Bodies) questions Charlie’s motivation to legislate women’s bodies.
• Charlie uses the principles cited by progressives to challenge them on issues like locker rooms and sports:
  • “Would you then agree with our position as conservatives that biological women should not have to share locker rooms with biological men?” (02:43)
• Davin agrees for sake of consistency, leading to surprising common ground on women's privacy in sports.

3. Satirizing Extremes and Raising the Issue of Child Neglect Laws

• Davin proposes abolishing child neglect laws to highlight what they see as logical consequences of “her body, her choice.”
  • Charlie recognizes the satirical intent:
    • “What he's doing is trying to prove a point that if you are pro choice, then therefore you should also get rid of child neglect laws because it means you actually don't care for the baby, whether it be in the womb or outside of the womb.” (05:08)

4. The Science and Ethics of Embryos & Fetuses

• A female student quizzes Charlie on the menstrual cycle to challenge his authority on women’s bodies and abortion law.
• Debate shifts to when life or “personhood” begins:
  • Charlie: “Here's something we all know...We know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby.” (08:55)
  • Student: “You’re not murdering a baby.” (10:20)
  • Charlie: “What is it then?” (10:22)
• Discussion of biology:
  • When does a fetus become a "baby"? Student says only at birth (10:34-10:35); Charlie counters that life and DNA begin at conception (11:41-12:24).

5. Medical Exceptions, Viability, and Alternative Procedures

• The debate addresses medical necessity for abortion:
  • Charlie: “Why wouldn’t we just put the baby out by C-section instead of terminating it?” (12:52)
  • Student argues C-sections are not always safe; Charlie insists C-section is safer and differentiates between abortion and removal of a deceased fetus (13:01-13:39).

6. The Adoption Versus “Unwanted Child” Argument

• Counterpoint raised: what happens to unwanted children after birth?
• Charlie claims adoption waiting lists outnumber abortions yearly and argues no such thing as an “unwanted child”:
  • “It is never right to justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted. That's how we get Auschwitz.” (14:56-15:20)
• Controversially, Charlie directly equates abortion to the Holocaust:
  • “What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz?” (15:28)

7. Defining Personhood and Rights

• Ongoing debate about the status of embryos/fetuses and when human rights should attach, with Charlie emphasizing biological consistency and decrying “dehumanizing language.”
  • “Our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality.” (16:16)

8. Life Consequences and Responsibility

• Student posits being forced to give birth would ruin her life.
  • Charlie: “Babies are a blessing. Stop talking at them as if there's some sort of annoyance.” (18:01)
  • “If you play certain games, you win certain prizes, if you're going to go have sex.” (18:09)
• Advocates for sexual responsibility, marriage before sex.

9. Challenge to Holocaust Comparison

• Sophie, president of Volts for Israel, disputes the abortion-Holocaust comparison:
  • “Comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion.” (19:59)
  • Charlie responds by discussing the eugenicist roots of Planned Parenthood and tying abortion rates in black neighborhoods to genocidal intent (20:24-21:24).

10. Broader Social Problems & the Limits of Legislation

• Danielle Admo shifts focus to sexual assault and asks about legal/policy responses:
  • Charlie points to existing laws like the Violence Against Women Act, but draws a line between sexual harassment, assault, and rape (26:13).
  • He warns against overcriminalizing less severe behaviors while affirming support for strict enforcement against rape and incest (27:00-27:58).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk (on moral consistency):
  “Our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality.” (16:16)

• Charlie Kirk (on comparison to Holocaust):
  “It's 45 million babies. It's nearly eight times worse than the Holocaust. What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz?” (15:28)

• Sophie (objecting to Holocaust comparison):
  “Comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion.” (19:59)

• Charlie Kirk (on sexual responsibility):
  “If you play certain games, you win certain prizes, if you're going to go have sex.” (18:09)

• Danielle Admo (on sexual assault):
  “What happens to those embryos if they are not aborted? They grow up and they happen to be women. What happens to them when they grow up and they get sexually assaulted?” (23:14)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Common Ground on Women's Spaces: 02:43–03:46
• Satirical Argument about Child Neglect: 04:11–06:08
• Debate over Authority and Biology: 06:34–09:15
• Defining When Life Begins: 10:22–12:24
• Medical Exception Arguments: 12:24–13:39
• Adoption versus Abortion: 14:34–15:28
• Abortion/Holocaust Comparison Challenge: 19:56–21:24
• Sexual Assault Claims and Law: 22:52–27:58

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Tone and Style

Throughout, Charlie maintains a combative but occasionally conciliatory tone, sharp on facts and quick to pivot from hypotheticals to moral principle. The audience and student interlocutors range from satirical to confrontational, but debate remains largely focused on substantive disagreements.

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This summary captures the core arguments, challenges, and rhetorical highlights, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the exchange and its high-stakes ideological context.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Davin Damian]

Oh, yeah, here's my visual. Hold on one second. And I have a petition. Raise your hand if you're progressive.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I love this school. This is a great school. I love this place. You don't have a lot of allies here.

[Davin Damian]

It's gonna be a tough crowd. Well, my name is Davin Damian. I am non binary. I am here with the Alliance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on one sec. Can I interrupt you? Yeah, guys, hold on. Hold on one sec. So we outnumber. What's your name again? I'm sorry? Davin. Damian. Davin. We outnumber Davin. That's unusual on a college campus. However, let's do something that liberals never do to us. Let's give him, I think, courtesy, they him courtesy that we don't give them. How about that? Okay, so is everyone cool with that?

[Danielle Admo]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's not heckle, let's not interrupt. Let's be the ambassadors for freedom of speech. Cool. Okay, please continue.

[Davin Damian]

I must say thank you. Thank you for that, Charlie. So I'm here with the alliance of Male Feminists Defending Women's Bodies. My main question is, why are you so obsessed with legislating women's bodies? It seems like you've made it your life mission to remove the choice of the woman. And I just want to know why that is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so your advocacy is Male Feminists for Women's Bodies. Right. Her body, her choice. So got it. So Maybe we can come to some common ground then before we talk about abortion. Would you then agree with our position as conservatives that biological women should not have to share locker rooms with biological men? Because your position is all about her body, her choice?

[Davin Damian]

I think for the sake of argument, I'll say yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, great.

[Davin Damian]

I'm okay with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let me give you a further example. So therefore you would agree that in sports settings, especially youth sports, but all sports, Tennessee's own Riley Gaines, for example, when she went to go compete at University of Pennsylvania and had to share a locker room with a biological man, that was wrong because her as a female should be able to have a private space without men coming in there. Right.

[Davin Damian]

Frankly, you know, I'm an old school feminist and so when I think of all this trans stuff, I think it's kind of wrecked us a little bit. And so I don't think you'll trap me with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think I'm not trapping. And by the way, I wish we had more people like yourself that we were willing to speak out against the trans insanity. So you deserve credit for that. And I mean that now. So. So we did find common ground on that. So now I want to actually approach the issue that you came here. So you're accusing me of wanting to legislate women's bodies. Okay, so do you mean legislate control over women, specifically with abortion, taking away.

[Davin Damian]

Her right to choose?

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. Okay. So I'm sure if I ask this question, the answer will be no. But you would say, does a mother have the right to kill her child?

[Davin Damian]

Not kill. But what I'm trying to raise awareness right now is that we need to abolish child neglect laws because that forces women to use their bodies, even with babies. Now I'm not saying they should be allowed to kill babies, but I'm saying they should be allowed to let nature just take its course. For example, that we're. I'm just saying we are saying that survival of the fittest. And what I'm saying is I think that the maga fascist. I think you all are winning because you at least are trying to be consistent on the life issue. But what I'm saying is we need to be as progressive consistent. That's why I've got this petition here to get people to see that we must abolish child neglect laws if we're going to be consistent, that it really is her body and her choice.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I think you're doing a very good job exposing the hypocrisy left. I Could tell that this is a shtick. And I will say it's very effective. And I tend to agree with where you're trying to go. What he, they, them, whatever is saying is the following, which is to abolish child neglect laws is the furthest extrapolation of a pro abortion view, which. That's consistent, of course. No. And I don't know what you actually believe, but your satire can sometimes lead you towards truth and you should show what he's. What. What he. Or you show the poster. What he's saying, in a way, is that in order for the left, he doesn't actually believe this. This is a shtick. Yeah, got it. Yeah, but what. What he's doing is trying to prove a point that if you are pro choice, then therefore you should also get rid of child neglect laws because it means you actually don't care for the baby, whether it be in the womb or outside of the womb.

[Davin Damian]

We are forcing women to use their bodies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure, Got it. So very good, thank you and best of luck with your petition. Next question. Disagreements. Welcome. And that was quite, quite a dialogue. Anyone? Disagreements? Yes, ma'. Am. Again, anyone in the crowd? You can work your way up if you disagree. Yes, ma'.

[Danielle Admo]

Am. Hello.

[Unidentified Female Student]

So how many phases are in the menstrual cycle? Do you know?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I'm not a woman, so enlighten me.

[Unidentified Female Student]

So there's four stages of the menstrual cycle. Okay. Ovulation, folcular, or. Sorry, I'm gonna go in order. Menstruation, folcular, ovulation, and the luteal phase in. During which of those phases can a woman be pregnant?

[Danielle Admo]

When she.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Can she get pregnant? Which are those phases?

[Charlie Kirk]

During ovulation and luteal.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Yes. So I already know from experience, so I know the answer to this question. Have you ever had a menstrual cycle before?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Okay, great. So knowing that and you just saying I don't know the phases of the menstrual cycle, which I don't blame you for. For being, you know, you don't have that. So then knowing this, you don't know everything about the female reproductive system, how are you going to make legislation to hurt women and women's rights?

[Charlie Kirk]

Are men allowed to have opinions on abortion?

[Unidentified Female Student]

You can have opinions on abortion, but what I'm saying is, how are these men going to create this legislation?

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it. So, well, men are allowed to have opinion on moral matters too. Right, Right. Got it. So if I was a male obgyn, is it okay for that person to make issues of legislation.

[Danielle Admo]

They're educated.

[Unidentified Female Student]

They understand. They are educated on the female reproductive system, so they can.

[Charlie Kirk]

So if I don't know everything intimately about the famous female reproductive system. Sit down and shut up. You're a man.

[Unidentified Female Student]

No, that's not what I'm saying. You can have an opinion. It's all right if you have an opinion. I'm saying it's not all right if you don't understand how the female reproductive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so let's pop quiz. When does heartbeats begin for babies? In utero.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Have you ever eaten an egg before? That's yes or no. Have you ever eaten an egg before?

[Charlie Kirk]

Scrambled? Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Okay, so would that be you scrambled a full chicken?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on. You understand it takes an egg to be fertilized, right?

[Danielle Admo]

Huh?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Your point?

[Unidentified Female Student]

The whole you're making.

[Danielle Admo]

Hold on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Since we're doing pop quiz on, like, human development, so when exactly do heart waves begin in utero?

[Unidentified Female Student]

You know that, but you don't know the force.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on. Tell me when. Tell me 100.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, you don't know?

[Unidentified Female Student]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

So wait, hold on. So you're trying to say I know more about the woman reproductive system than you do.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I am a woman.

[Danielle Admo]

So yes, yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well. But the point being is we could both go back and forth of, like, independent, trivial facts when it comes to the woman's reproductive system. But here's something we all know, because God wrote this on the human heart of every individual, as it says in the book of Romans, we know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby.

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[Unidentified Female Student]

You're not murdering a baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not a baby. Okay, well, let's. Let's play this out. What is it then?

[Unidentified Female Student]

It is an embryo, which is not a baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well. Well, okay, so it's a fertilized embryo.

[Danielle Admo]

Correct.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Which is not a baby.

[Charlie Kirk]

So at what point does it become a baby?

[Unidentified Female Student]

When it is born.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I don't agree with abortions. Up to full term abortion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on.

[Angel Studios Narrator]

But.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you said it becomes a baby when it's born. Then why would you have abortion limits before it's born? I thought it's just an embryo. So embryo rights.

[Unidentified Female Student]

No, embryo rights aren't.

[Charlie Kirk]

But then when? Where would you draw a line for abortion then? And why? And under what moral standard?

[Unidentified Female Student]

There are medical reasons.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that's not the question. That's not the question.

[Unidentified Female Student]

You just asked me. Why would I not have an abortion for full term for medical reasons?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so at 29 weeks, the baby is nearly fully developed, can recognize the mother's voice, has a heartbeat, has brain waves. Is it okay to abort that baby?

[Unidentified Female Student]

I don't. Like, it's not okay. But you're gonna say it's okay to have an abortion, then, like, I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not okay to have an abortion ever. How about like three weeks in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct. No abortion. Correct.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Why?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, because your life started at conception.

[Unidentified Female Student]

It did not, though. It did not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on. So let's play this out. So who are you as an individual? From your skin color to your eye color, to your likes, your dislikes, from your temperament to your everything.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I am not an embryo. I'm a person.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on a second. But it started with something called deoxyribonucleic acid. And your own individual DNA started at the point of egg and sperm meeting. That's where your journey started. And so from that point in particular, life begins not. Not at birth, not at first words, not at first steps, but when your DNA, which is who you actually are, you are your DNA. Every one of your DNA cells is coded XX or xy. It's coded with all of your unique characteristics and attributes that God, we believe God individually curated for the rest of your life. That doesn't happen at eight weeks or 10 weeks. It happens at conception.

[Unidentified Female Student]

What happens if you need a medical abortion? If the mother will die if she does not get an abortion? What's your stance?

[Charlie Kirk]

The only. The only place where medical Abortion is necessary is before 20 weeks, which is incredibly.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Die. What if the mother.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on a second. So let's take they, for example. This is a very important question. Let's say it's 27 weeks, okay? And the mother will die. Why shouldn't. You could agree. Why don't we just have the baby delivered by cesarean section? You know what a cesarean section is, right?

[Danielle Admo]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

What is a sarin section?

[Unidentified Female Student]

A C section.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Why wouldn't we just put the baby up by C section instead of terminating it?

[Unidentified Female Student]

Because if the mother will die. No, it's not safe to do that.

[Charlie Kirk]

You remove the baby. I understand, remove.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I know what a C section.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it's actually safer than an abortion. So every time they say, this is for you guys, they say, oh, you need to have abortion for medical reasons. Respond, then have a C section.

[Unidentified Female Student]

What if you're not able to have a C section? What if you are on your deathbed, you need to have an abortion right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, but.

[Danielle Admo]

And it's illegal. You can't.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you actually die first. First and foremost, C section is safer. C section is quicker. And a C section saves both lives. A C section.

[Unidentified Female Student]

The baby is already dead, you just said.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but even. No, no, no, hold on a second. You're saying if the baby's already dead, then it doesn't have an abortion, Right? Then you're talking about a removal of a carcass, which is a completely different medical operation.

[Unidentified Female Student]

You're saying that's okay if you're having.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you're. Hold on. If you're removing a carcass of a baby, that is not an abortion by definition process. No, it's completely different. During an abortion, they actually inject the spinal fluid with cyanide poisoning as the baby squirms and tries to find its mother and it is gasping for air of life. Have you ever watched an abortion? It is one of the. Yeah, actually I have. And I encourage every human being to watch one to know what you are fighting against. Because when you see abortion, you will have your. You will. Your life will be changed. That we allow the massacre of a million and a half babies a year under the guise of woman reproductive health. We are allowing babies every single year to just say, you know, we're going to discard them. Why? Oh, they're smaller, they're not humans. You're using dehumanizing language, saying, oh, it's an embryo. No, that's a baby made in the image of God, deserving of protection.

[Unidentified Female Student]

What do you do with those children. Children, once they're born into a bad household.

[Charlie Kirk]

So now we've transitioned to like, what do you do with the kids?

[Unidentified Female Student]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Glad we're past the other part of the argument. Okay, what do you do with them? You know, there's twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than there are abortions every single year and they're.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Still on the list. So you want to send a child into an orphanage. Is that what you want for a child? Is that a good life for a child?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I'm not advocating that. In fact, I'm advocating for. To make it easier to be able to adopt, number one. Number two, there's no such thing as an unwanted child. Number three, it is never right to justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted. That's how we get Auschwitz. That's how we get the greatest horrors of the 20th century. Those people are unwanted.

[Unidentified Female Student]

So you're comparing abortion to the Holocaust?

[Charlie Kirk]

Absolutely I am. In fact, it's worse. It's worse.

[Unidentified Female Student]

It's really not.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's 45 million babies. It's nearly eight times worse than the Holocaust. What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz? What's the moral difference? One is older. What species is the baby in the womb?

[Unidentified Female Student]

It's a human.

[Charlie Kirk]

But therefore they should have human rights. No, they should have human rights.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I do not agree.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, so. So small humans. No human rights. Grown humans. Human rights.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Small human. It's an embryo.

[Charlie Kirk]

You just said it was a human species.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Human child.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, it's not a what?

[Unidentified Female Student]

It's not a child. But it's not a living child.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's very. It has a heartbeat, it has brain waves.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Make it a child.

[Charlie Kirk]

But tell me when it becomes a child, then when it.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I already told you.

[Charlie Kirk]

When it is born again. So under every other objective, definite. You see, guys, how quickly the pro abortion arguments fall apart with just the slightest questioning. And. But our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality. That your life had an agreed upon starting point. That that starting point should be protected and preserved. And the excuses given for abortion is dehumanization. Oh, it's just an embryo, guys. That's just using different language to justify the massacre of something smaller than you. That's all that it is. So here are the big objections. Size. It's smaller than me. Then I should be able to get rid of it. I'm 6, 5 should I be able to murder people smaller than me? Of course not. You don't believe that level of development? Oh, it's not as progressed as. This is your argument? It's not as progressed as we are. Therefore, we have rights over it. So my 10 month old baby. Why should I not be able to eliminate my 10 month old baby?

[Unidentified Female Student]

I have another question for you on the line of this. You will never be able to have an abortion. Right? You will never be able to have an orchard. You will not.

[Danielle Admo]

Okay?

[Unidentified Female Student]

That's a fact. Everyone knows that. Okay, I'm not debating that at all.

[Charlie Kirk]

Make it quick. You could tell the audiences. Yeah, but go.

[Danielle Admo]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Female Student]

If I were to be pregnant right now and forced to have a baby, that would ruin my life.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is an important question. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Timeout. So? So rape and incest are less than half of 1% of all abortions.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking if I just happen to be pregnant.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you don't happen to get pregnant. It's like. Not like getting Covid. I know how it works.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I know how it works.

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't get the flu.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I know.

[Charlie Kirk]

How about this? You take responsibility for your orgasms and stop eliminating people smaller than you.

[Unidentified Female Student]

So you're saying I should carry a baby and ruin my collegiate life?

[Charlie Kirk]

How about this? Instead of saying ruin? First of all, babies are a blessing. Stop talking at them as if there's some sort of annoyance.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I will have to drop out of college.

[Charlie Kirk]

Number two. Number two, if you play certain games, you win certain prizes, if you're going to go have sex.

[Unidentified Female Student]

So you're saying I should drop out of college to support my child, supporting my life?

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm saying if you're going to engage in coitus in the practice of having children, you might end up with a baby. So know that. And guess what? You don't need to have sex before you get married. It's not like showering. It's not like.

[Unidentified Female Student]

Are you married?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. With two beautiful children.

[Angel Studios Narrator]

Wow.

[Danielle Admo]

Good for you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I could tell you're not married.

[Danielle Admo]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you for your time.

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[Sophie]

I'm Sophie. I'm the president of Vaults for Israel.

[Charlie Kirk]

Talk right in there. Yeah, I appreciate God bless Israel.

[Sophie]

Thank you. I listen to your podcast. I agree with you on most things, but I have to disagree with you on comparing abortion to the Holocaust. Just because the Holocaust was such a uniquely designed genocide and I think comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so it's, it's a. It's a good point. However, you are right in one way. I'll agree with you on and I think you being a good point, that the design of the Holocaust was unique. It was about the extermination of a people. However, allow me to tell you where I'm coming from. Where are abortion clinics most likely be found in America?

[Sophie]

Black neighborhoods.

[Charlie Kirk]

In black neighborhoods, there has. And the author and the charter of Planned Parenthood was a eugenicist. She was such a eugenicist, she actually personally informed Adolf Hitler's views. Her name was Margaret Sanger. She wanted to use abortion as a depopulation movement to eradicate the black race. And she's doing a pretty good job of it. Black America has largely flatlined as portion of the American population right around 13%. So while I agree that there was a specific horror to the Holocaust, God for it will never repeat that there are some very common attributes that can be drawn to.

[Sophie]

Thank you for your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you and God bless Israel. Thank you. Who's up? Who disagrees?

[Danielle Admo]

I'm good. How are you?

[Charlie Kirk]

Good.

[Danielle Admo]

My name is Danielle Admo. I'm a freshman here. First of all, go Vols. I am not a liberal. I'm actually very independent. I come from a military family. With consistency, conservative parents. Yep. Go military. I appear to ask not only you a question, but everyone in this audience a question. Because personally, as America, I think that we are missing a lot of important conversations that need to be have as a country. Because a lot of people are very concerned with abortion. A lot of people are very concerned with Mexican immigrants.

[Charlie Kirk]

But my question is illegal immigrants. Not all illegal immigrants are Mexican. We don't racialize it. So happy to talk about that next. Yes.

[Danielle Admo]

There. How many abortions yearly did you say that there were?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so if you count surgical abortions, yes, it's about a million. But there's something called a chemical abortion, which is an at home abortion. So it's probably closer to 1.88 million.

[Danielle Admo]

Okay. And do you know what percent or what number of that is for rape?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's less than half of 1%. And that's according to the Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro abortion. So 99.9% of all abortions are for.

[Danielle Admo]

Oh my God. Yeah, Pirate guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know, yeah, go ahead, keep going. Don't, don't let it faze you.

[Danielle Admo]

He's like a celebrity. Do you know how many women are that's reported in the United States are raped and sexually assaulted and oh, another thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just let her talk. Got it. Great, thank you very much. Just stay focused. Just the more you talk, the less they'll talk.

[Danielle Admo]

Yeah, okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

How many are raped and sexually assaulted?

[Danielle Admo]

And another quick question, those are actually.

[Charlie Kirk]

Under prosecuted most times, so we don't know.

[Danielle Admo]

I, I don't believe that's true.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, most rapists don't get arrested. Would you agree?

[Danielle Admo]

Oh, oh, yes, that's what I'm saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

Under prosecuted.

[Danielle Admo]

Okay, sorry. And they're also. A lot of them aren't. Sorry, A lot of them aren't reported. Everyone is so concerned with the chill, with the embryos and like abortions. What happens to those embryos if they are not aborted? They grow up and they happen to be women. What happens to them when they grow up and they get sexually assaulted? Because everyone here, I would like you to think mothers, sisters, friends, daughters. Have you or anyone that you've known been sexually assaulted? And if you're comfortable, please raise your hand because I have.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, but, but hold on. I just want to make sure your argument is that therefore they should be aborted.

[Danielle Admo]

No, no, not at all. It's a comparison. It's a fully a comparison. I, I'm not here to talk about that. I think that there are Bigger issues. I think there are bigger issues in America right now than what the Trump administration is focusing on. Do you agree? Like, do you. Do you have daughters?

[Charlie Kirk]

I have a daughter.

[Danielle Admo]

You have a daughter. Okay. What would. How would you feel if she was sexually assaulted?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, obviously.

[Danielle Admo]

Terrible. Terrible. Have you ever been sexually assaulted?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Danielle Admo]

No. Okay. Why do you not want to do anything to stop that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, you mean.

[Danielle Admo]

Okay. But you don't talk about it. Neither does the Trump administration. That's not a big problem that they have. Even though I know. I'm still talking about.

[Unidentified Female Student]

I'm still talking.

[Charlie Kirk]

What are you. Kamala Harris. Okay, stop. I mean, one second.

[Danielle Admo]

And you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I got your whole shtick. So. President Trump has talked about it so much that you know how much he talks about it. We no longer have rapists coming across the southern border that will prowl on this campus and go after women.

[Danielle Admo]

Sir, I came up here with my full respect to allow you to talk, and you interrupted me.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're giving a monologue, not a question, so please ask your question.

[Danielle Admo]

I think that there are more pressing issues than the Trump administration talks about. He talks about. There's a lot more to it than what the Trump administration.

[Charlie Kirk]

What could be more pressing than nuclear war? Seriously? We are on the verge of a nuclear war with Russia. What could be more pressing than that?

[Danielle Admo]

I agree. I agree.

[Charlie Kirk]

But what could be more pressing than.

[Danielle Admo]

Having that women being sexually assaulted on the daily in America is a bigger problem than. Than abortions? Truthfully, I do.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. I'm not going to. And if anyone, like, not overly disagreeing, but also.

[Danielle Admo]

Exactly. That's my thing, is, do you think that there should be something done put in place by the Trump administration to help women and men and everyone that are sexually assaulted? There needs to be something.

[Charlie Kirk]

There already are laws on the book, so, I mean, I don't. What would you propose to be done?

[Danielle Admo]

Still happens. And so I don't know. I'm not the president. That's his job. That's his job.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not his job to end sexual assault in America. That's never gonna happen. Okay. And by the way, just so we're clear, it's a. It's a lot. We're talking about two different things. Rape is not the same thing as sexual harassment. It's not the same thing as sexual assault. Those are three different things.

[Danielle Admo]

I said both things.

[Charlie Kirk]

But sexual assault could be something as going in for an unwanted kiss. Is that sexual assault?

[Danielle Admo]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whoa. So you think going in for an unwanted kiss is sexual assault? I thought you were talking about, like, something way more graphic.

[Danielle Admo]

Sexual assault is a branch of things.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. So I'm including.

[Danielle Admo]

I'm mostly talking about rape and incest and, like, physical sexual assault.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, of course. I. I don't support that. The president actually signed the Violence Against Women's act. Like, there's a lot there that you should look at.

[Danielle Admo]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

But most importantly is this. Reducing crime in the country is good for all people, women included. But I do have to stand up and just disagree on one thing. The overemphasis, though, on acting as if. If some drunk frat bro goes in for a kiss and you didn't want it, that he should be labeled as a sexual assaulter or a rapist is bad for everybody.

[Danielle Admo]

I never said that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you did say it was sexual assault. I don't think going in for someone.

[Danielle Admo]

Sorry, you said going in. Not, like, physically actually kissing someone.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like leaning in for an unwanted kiss and maybe delivering that kiss that the girl did not want. Is that sexual assault?

[Danielle Admo]

If it's done forcefully, then yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, I'm sorry. I think that's, like, improper and wrong. I don't think the police should be involved in that.

[Danielle Admo]

Do you know, when it's. There's. There's so many different.

[Charlie Kirk]

You think the police should be involved in, like, a frat situation where they're both drunk and a guy goes in for a kiss and she didn't want it?

[Danielle Admo]

That's not what I'm talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is exactly what you're talking about talking.

[Danielle Admo]

I literally blatantly said. I blatantly said rape, incest, physical.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. I agree with all that on that. That should be. We should do more on that. Thank you for your time. For more on many of these stories and news you can Trust, go to charliekirk.com.