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A
Satan. All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am the executive producer of this fine show, Andrew Colvett. And today is the day. We have waited long enough to confront some of the lies, the out of context clips, the cherry picking of quotes that people, mostly on the left, are using to smear the legacy and the memory of our brother and our friend Charlie Kirk. And it is incredibly apropos that. Joining me today is our Thoughtcrime crew because most of the clips that ultimately surfaced came on the show called Thoughtcrime, which we would do every Thursday night. And that would be with Jack. It would be four of the five. It would be Jack Posobic, Tyler Boyer, Blake Neff, Charlie Kirk and me. I was sort of a fill in. I was happy to be that Tyler and I would usually rotate and the whole premise of the show was to talk about the verboten. The verboten. And as soon as we started doing the show, we realized that you're not allowed to have fun anymore in America in 2024. At the time, most of these clips came out because Charlie had become so big. Yeah, well, he had a lot of fun, actually. But Charlie had become so big that he was looked at as an appendage of the Trump campaign. And so if Charlie ever said anything that wasn't actually on the policy platform, for example, of the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign would get calls and then we'd get calls and then everybody was getting calls. And so it was one of those interesting dynamics that actually, in a weird backhanded way, shows just how huge he had become, especially in the campaign season of 2024.
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B
So, yeah, and I think something that we can really just all say, and I think we would all agree on, and Charlie would agree too, just at the outset, is this is all Andrew's fault.
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A
Yes, yes, yes. I think I do seem to be a repeat offender in these clips. But listen, I didn't want to give any air to this stuff, especially in the immediate aftermath, but I think we are at two weeks and one day after it happened. What a whirlwind it's been. I don't think it was worth giving any oxygen to the haters, mostly on the left, cuz they were upset that Charlie was getting essentially canonized before their eyes and he was their ideological opponent. There's no, there's no doubt about that. And so, you know, we. But I feel like now's the time.
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B
But you even had instances where like Barack Obama, like the leader of the Democrat Party, if you had to pick one man who's the public leader of the party? It's Barack Obama. He couldn't even say Charlie's name was without sort of going through this litany of. But I disagree on this and I disagree on this. And I. And he like they all. And all of the topics that he mentioned. I think we played the clip the other day. We should probably pull that up. Were from Thought Crime. And it's like kind of existential in a sense. That stuff that from our Thursday night podcast is now coming off the lips of Barack Obama. But at the same time it's. He's doing so to impugn and. And smear and demonize even in death.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Our friend Charlie Kirk.
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C
Well, I was going to say and I can't stand exal because it was like the devil himself, like having to say the word Charlie Kirk. You could see him like melting a little bit. It was like the wicked witch is like every time that he had to say the word Charlie Kirk, you could almost see.
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B
Did you notice Hillary couldn't say the word Hillary when she went on MSNBC yesterday? She couldn't say the word Christian. She said a. She was like white males of a certain religion.
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D
She could start like a far right podcast or something.
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A
She couldn't.
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B
She couldn't say the word of Christ. Just saying.
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A
So I just think it's apropos that you guys are here. I'm excited to do this. A lot of you have online. I've seen the comments have been wanting us to do this and it just didn't feel like it was the time. But now it's the time and we're not. I don't think we need to belabor these points but you know, for years on end or something. But I think it's important to give a vociferous and forceful rebuttal. So here I want to start with my favorite one and that is about DEI Pilots. Do you think it's safe to say, Tyler, that the DEI pilots clip was the most viral thing that Charlie had ever been associated with? And it wasn't like, you know, it was wildly misunderstood. But do you think at that point it was probably the biggest clip of Charlie that had spread 100%.
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C
And here's. I wanted to piggyback on what we were saying before a lot of Andrew got the brunt of a lot of this stuff because deserving he was saying things that again, the whole premise and setup of thought crime and a lot of the conversations that we had was Charlie was quarterbacking and then we were the Ones, you know, kind of feeding into it.
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B
I apologize for nothing.
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C
Well, and. And Charlie would kind of cue it up, and then Andrew would lean in on it. But make no mistake, these were conversations that were being had in the background, of course.
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A
And that's important, by the way. What's. What's. What's amazing is I was only a part of about 50% of the thought crime, so just imagine how many. How much more defending of Charlie we'd have to do. Andrew was in the background of every.
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C
Every conversation.
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B
Every conversation. Even if he wasn't on there, you're.
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C
Not throwing kindling on everybody.
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D
All right, all right.
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C
He's like, he stepped back from the bonfire, and he was the guy holding the kind.
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D
All right.
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A
I think I blame Blake.
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D
Yeah, let's get into it, because we've been telling.
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A
Yeah, Blake's gonna kind of drive today.
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B
We blame Blake for enough. Yeah, he's not getting blamed for this.
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D
So I want to get blamed for this one anyway. So the clip that's getting passed around a lot. This is one of the ones that popped up the most, is people get really mad about what Charlie says about black pilots. So let's just start with the original clip. Let's do clip 168.
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A
And that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard, because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. Thank you.
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E
I mean, like, you want to go thought crime. Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
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A
Well, that's the. You wouldn't have done that.
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E
You wouldn't have, you know, not an immediate.
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A
No, you're not.
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E
That's not what I believe it is.
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D
The reality the left has created. Now, that last part is really important. Like, obviously, they're doing this thing where they just act like we just came in, and we're just like, oh, we care about the skin color of who flies planes. No, Charlie doesn't want to care about that. The left wants to care about that. So here's an important piece of context that this is basically what we were reacting to. This is a clip of United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby making a pretty intense commitment to hitting diversity quotas at his airline. Let's play clip 200.
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B
How is diversity and diversity targets working.
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E
Into the aviate academy?
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A
We have committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color. Today only 19% of our pilots at.
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E
United Airlines are women or people of color.
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A
And by the way, from all the.
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E
Data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.
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A
All right, so can I just jump in here really quick? This is incredibly important. So that is the clip. Charlie and I and everybody was responding to that. Right now they had 19% women and people of color in their pilot corps. They wanted to get it up to 50% for every new pilot corps. Why is that a really dumb thing to do? First of all, meritocracy. Charlie believed in meritocracy. Let the best man or woman win. Second of all, Jack, riddle me this. Do you know what percentage of new pilots that are training to be pilots? Whether that's just getting their pilot's license or trying to go into an academy of some sort to become a professional pilot. Do you know how. What percentage are women or people of color?
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B
Is that 13%?
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A
It's about 9%.
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B
13%. That's the difference?
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A
Yeah, it's 9%. It's 9%. So that means that you're essentially trying to fill 50% of the spots from 9% of the population of the. Of the.
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B
Well, you're saying not qualified, just training, just trained.
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A
So these are people, if people who want to be a new pilot.
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B
Yeah, basically like getting their hours going through it.
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A
90% are white males. It just happens to be one of those professions where white males go to a lot. So Charlie was making the point that if you are going to pull 50% of your pilots from 9 or 10% of the population of new pilots, then you're going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy. You're gonna have to lower your standards to get them on. So he said that if you impose this quota then I'm going to start asking questions. Boy, I hope you're qualified. And he said I never did that before and I don't want to do it in the future.
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D
Alright, so we'll just continue along.
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A
Well, cause he gives a. Yeah, he does.
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D
So we'll continue along here. So Charlie himself offered some clarification on the pilot thing. I can't remember off the top of my head if this is the same day or later, but let's play clip.
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A
169 and that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. Thank you.
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E
I mean, like, you want to go Thought crime. Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
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A
Well, that's the.
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E
You wouldn't have done that.
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A
You wouldn't have.
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E
You know, not an immediate.
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A
No, you're not.
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E
That's not what I believe.
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D
It is the reality the left has created.
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E
So you guys piggybacked off of me because you knew what I was saying. Because what I was saying is that DEI creates and fosters sinful, unwholesome thought patterns. Because when they say we're going to hire people based on race and not competency, and so you start to just say, you know, what's going on here, Blake, you're part of this. This has gone so Viral, it's like 22 million people have seen it on Twitter.
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D
What I said at the end, this is the reality the left has created that they crave.
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A
Okay.
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D
I didn't realize it would repeat the whole. The whole first clip there. Blake, that's late.
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B
Why did you do this, Blake?
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A
Yeah, he was. He was definitely trying to. I was in the. In the.
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B
Which, by the way, it's like so much of what thought crime and even what we do on the regular shows is, guys, we live in clown world.
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A
Okay?
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B
We. And we are describing the clowns.
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D
Yeah, right.
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B
That's what we're doing 100% every day.
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D
It is just straight like. And really, the most obvious way to put it is just like, look, you guys can hire for diversity or you can hire for merit. Those are mutually exclusive options, and period.
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A
By the way, Charlie was not saying that he looked at a black pilot. Pilot currently and thought those things. He said he didn't. He said, but if in the future you do X and Y and Z to hire based on some other feature, immutable characteristic that is not linked to your ability to do the job, then I'm going to start asking questions.
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B
What they're doing is they're taking Charlie's clip and they're removing all the context of what's going on and the situation that he's commenting on. And that's. That's what you'll see throughout every Single one of these.
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D
Yeah, we actually have. We have another clip from Charlie that more straightforwardly defends it. Let's play clip 204.
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E
All right, let me tell you exactly what I said.
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B
Okay?
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E
So this was in response, first and foremost to United Airlines saying that half of all their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently, they're 15%. So they want to go from 15% to 50%. A conversation that ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be lowered. There is not a single instance where that is does not occur. So then I said. I said, boy, if I see a black pilot, I am now going to wonder, is that individual qualified? Or they selected because of their race, comma. But that's not who I am. But this makes me think this way, and I stand completely by that statement. Okay, secondly, let me just finish DEI and affirmative action. What it does is it lowers the merit. It lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter, such as skin color and ethnic background.
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D
That last part is so key. He's saying, look, if you guys, like, again, you can hire merit or you can hire for a quota for dei. You can consider things like skin color and ethnic and national background important. And if you consider those things important, if you put them on the scales definitionally, it is impossible that you will not lower the overall standards of the people that you are making into pilots. And it doesn't just have to be pilots. I think that's the example that stands out where a really incompetent person can just crash a plane and kill everyone on it. But there's other things. Surgeons, medicine, like, if you want to check med school admissions, mcat, that's a test you have to take. And we've historically had a lot of affirmative action in med school admissions. So Asians are scoring higher than other people, are scoring higher than whites. And then, you know, black med school applicants are getting lower MCAT scores, and they're getting into medical school with lower MCAT scores. And this isn't because the MCAT is like a racist test. It's a measure of ability. And people are coming out different on that measure of ability. And that's having ramifications at the end of things.
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B
For example, like we. We, you know, so Blake is a DEI hire, you know, and bald quota. People don't. Because he's bald. And he's also 1% Inuit. We don't talk about it very much, but sometimes he looks at dog sleds a little bit too long. And you know, like, Blake, what's going on? He's like, they're calling me.
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A
So. Yeah, but Blake. Blake is not Inuit as far as I. Are you in? Yeah. Anyway, so I would just say this. This feels like a very open and shut case because they just wanted black people to think Charlie didn't think they could fly planes. That's not what he said.
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C
He said the core of everything was that this is corporate sabotage. And it doesn't matter who they were talking about. They could. They could have said that chiquita banana eaters are the only people that will hire.
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A
Yes.
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C
It wouldn't have mattered what the topic was.
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A
It's either merit.
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C
It's corporate sabotage.
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A
It's either merit or it's a quota. You cannot have both. And we stand by Charlie in that statement. We are debunking the lies and the smears of Charlie, taking him out of context posthumously, which is pretty sick, actually. And we didn't want to get to this too soon because there's so much good that Charlie said and did that it was. It just so outshadowed this stuff. But every dog has his day, and I am like, you know, dog with a bone on this stuff because I was there for it and I saw it and I knew the discussion that led up to it. Go ahead.
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B
Before we even go any further.
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A
Right.
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B
There'd be so many times where we'd be commenting on things that were going on in society, but we weren't actually giving our prescriptions for society. And if you go through that, Charlie obviously spends a lot of time talking about clown world, and he's describing the clowns and the clownish behavior that's going on. Corporate America, et cetera. But when you actually find the thread that Charlie always pushed for was a colorblind society, a colorblind society that said, let the best person be the one who gets the job, be the one who gets the. The votes, be the one who gets to be in the leadership, whatever. It is a colorblind society with standards that are applied equally across the board. So if you want to say that's equality. Right? Yeah. We want equality of standards.
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A
Well, yeah. And if you think about. And Blake, you could probably remember the quote better, but Charlie loved this quote. I think it was one of the Weinstein brothers that said it, but maybe they were quoting somebody else. Anyways, if you want to know the God of the age, just you ask yourself, what are you not allowed to critique?
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D
It's a. The line is attributed to Voltaire. It is not from Voltaire, but it's.
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B
But I think one of the brothers did say it recently.
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A
But anyways, the point is Charlie was fearless on the modern God, the idol of DEI and pulling the race card and all of this stuff. Charlie, if you can't, maybe you can see it over Jack's shoulder, but we have a. He put up. This is his wall. Like, he picked these pictures. I think his head's getting cut off. That's Clarence Thom over Jack's shoulder. Charlie loves Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson. These are people. Charlie was not racist, did not have a racist bone in his body. If you're good at what you do, he loved it. If you were a good family man, if you were a good father, he loved you and he supported you. And I know he's got so many friends in the black community that defend him vociferously online, and I love that. But just as somebody who can tell you from very up close and personal, there was not a racist bone in his body. He was often accused of it because so much of our modern society is oriented around what came out of the civil rights era. So this is the new founding, this Christopher Caldwell prescription of a new founding of America after the 1960s, in which we had basically, if you're a modern American, you have more reverence for the Civil Rights act than you do for the Constitution. Charlie thought that that was a problem. It wasn't that he didn't like a lot of what the Civil Rights act accomplished, or at least set out to accomplish. It's that there was overreach that happened and there was a new founding of America that was extra constitutional.
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B
But I would even go so far as to say that I agree with Caldwell and I agree with the left on this. And I think Charlie would too, in the sense that it was sort of a new founding of America because there were new standards that perhaps weren't intended, but that superseded the constitutional founding of America.
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A
Yes. And so Charlie was fearless in his critiques of this because he saw it as a core rot of modern American culture. And that if we were going to get back to a colorblind society, a meritocracy, a culture that was oriented around excellence and achieving great things and dreaming big dreams that we couldn't. It's like that verse that I posted on X yesterday. You have to throw off all that's hindering you. You have to throw off everything that's slowing you down if you're going to run your race. And Charlie was such a pragmatist. And such an efficiency oriented person that he knew that this stuff was holding our country back. And so he knew that he uniquely was suited as the exact person not to talk about it, to sort of crush the idols in the temple and in the high places and go for this stuff. And, yeah, he took a lot of slings and arrows, but in my opinion, looking back, this is some of the stuff I respect him most for.
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B
But you look too at. I keep going back to that Hillary Clinton clip yesterday on msnbc, where even in the wake of all of this, she goes up on MSNBC and do.
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A
We have this clip?
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B
And, and she. What is she saying? She's saying, we remember the target must be white Christian men. Remember, white Christian men are the ones who cannot be allowed to be in leadership positions. And like she says, almost, yeah, yeah, it's disgusting. And like, like, like Charlie Kirk, you know, just like Charlie Burke. Why don't you just say it, Hilary?
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A
Well, and he knew. He knew that he was at the vanguard of this stuff and that he was a representative for an entire generation of the lost boys of the west that had been disenfranchised by their own political leaders. They had been tossed aside by a political establishment and a zeitgeist that vilified them, demonized them, and wanted to toss them aside when this is their country, too. This is where they were born, this is what they've inherited. And we were breaking the social compact with an entire generation of young men. And I like to think that Charlie gave. When you start seeing these polls about who's coming, you know, who's voting for Trump, young men wanting to get married, young men wanting to have families, and young men wanting to go back to church. It's because Charlie went straight at the idols of the age and he crushed them on behalf of us all. Blake, why don't you take us to the next debunking?
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D
Let's. It's not even so much a debunking. A lot of this is, like, just explaining. You need to have explanations and, like, more context. So this is the one that went most viral right after it happened.
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It's.
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D
You would see, like, headlines where people would post this, and it was Charlie saying, you know, that gun deaths were worth it to keep the Second Amendment. That's what they would say. It was like, unfortunately, worth it is the exact quote they would have. There's like a million examples of that. I just shared one if they want to put it up. But people would post those to, like, Donk on Charlie and be like, Betty would change his mind now. And this one really disgusts me quite a bit actually because it's, it's not so much a lie about what Charlie said, it's attacking him for actually daring to discuss a public issue the correct and honest way. So we have a full quote from Charlie on this. I can't remember where he said it, but it's clip 175. Let's just play it.
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E
So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's dribble. But I am, I think it's, I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
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D
So this is what makes me so angry about. And there's even stuff in an even longer version before he says, that he talks about, I'll read this quote directly. He says the second Amendment is there so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government if that talk scares you. Wow, that's radical, Charlie. I don't know about that. Well then you have not read any of the literature of our founding fathers and you haven't read any 20th century history. And then he continues, we must be real, we must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price that is a part of liberty. He gives the example, driving comes with a price. 50,000 people die on the road every year. That is a price. You could get rid of driving, have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving, speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services, is worth that cost. And then he goes, that part we saw. And it just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of, of a policy. There are so many scammer politicians and public figures who will only, who will say there's only benefits or only downsides to a policy. They'll say, oh, it's all upside. And people are opposed to this just because their haters are corrupt. Charlie would actually come out and say, the Second Amendment has downsides. We have more guns. There is more gun violence in America than there is in the uk. There's more gun violence here than there is in China. But we have it for other reasons. We have it because we are free citizens and that helps us. We remain free citizens. And then I just, I got so.
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A
Angry when I was jerk wad street. Not to mention, you know, there was one of the stats we were talking about as Trump was cleaning up DC was that there had been essentially about 1200 murders in DC since 2018. Right. 1200 murders. It was a very murderous place, very murdery. And guess how many of them were white?
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B
The victims.
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A
How many white murders there were since 2018?
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B
The victims or the suspects?
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The victims. 11.
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Yeah.
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11.
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Yeah.
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Most of that gun death is happening because of gang crime and black on black violence. And Charlie was very honest about that fact. Now, obviously, Charlie's own murder is something completely and entirely different. This is a political assassination where Charlie was murdered because of what he said and what he believed and how effective he was and because of his Christian faith. But what Charlie was getting at was that there is a cost to every freedom that we have. There is a cost to having alcohol on the shelves. There's a cost to having licenses in people's pockets to drive cars. Go ahead.
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B
Well, just before we go to break, I would even go so far as to say that even in the sense that Charlie could comment on this, he still wouldn't be. For gun bans. He still wouldn't be. No, there's no. And we all know that.
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No question.
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No question.
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Yeah. I mean, wouldn't even be on the table. Yeah.
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B
No.
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And so I totally agree. This is a really.
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B
He didn't call it after Trump got shot.
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It's a really sick one.
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C
And if it would happen to any of us, he would have said the same thing. And if. And we would all agree on the.
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D
Same issue, honestly, he might have even managed to laugh about it. He would have been like, probably. Yeah. And just be like, well, they kind of got me on that one.
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Well, I hope. Gosh, I don't. There's nothing. But it's.
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B
I get what you mean. But he wouldn't have changed his position. No.
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A
Well, not in the slightest. So, yeah. Jack, you had a good idea. I think we should go to sort of some of the breaking news around the ICE shooter in Texas yesterday.
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B
Well, so we do have breaking news just in the sense that it's, you know, it just happened. But also it pertains to exactly what we're talking about right now in the program regarding the second Amendment. So this is from the post Millennial breaking. The Dallas ICE shooter searched for, conducted searches for ballistics and the phrase Charlie Kirk shot video and plan to quote, give ICE agents real terror. So this is coming from Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, that it seems like it's shaping up that Joshua, Joshua John, I think is how you pronounce it was a copycat of the Charlie Kirk assassin. And he specifically conducted searches of Charlie Kirk's assassination before he conducted this attack on an ICE facility in Dallas.
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C
I mean, which shows the interconnectivity between all of this leftist rhetoric that's happening. I mean, in your face. Is that all of the pro trans, anti ice, pro blm, I mean we're seeing nothing but trickle down violence as well. That's been there for years. And this isn't new. We've seen this since 2020.
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B
No, and it's, and it's time for, it's high time for the federal and state authorities to just start, start doing something about it. We need action.
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A
Well, and I think this, this is actually. I cannot get this image out of my head. Go Play Show Image 141. This is about political violence. And if you notice on the left that is. Is that what you're talking about yesterday? Yeah, we talked about this yesterday. But it's, it's worth reiterating because both Charlie's assassin, this ICE shooter, the same with the Catholic school shooter in Minneapolis. These are young progressive men in that 18 to 39 cohort. And look at that. A whopping 30% believe that it's justified at times to resort to violence to achieve political goals.
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C
Conservatives are way below moderates.
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A
Look at, look at the node on this graph that would most correlate to Charlie's core audience. 18 to 39 year olds. Conservatives are the lowest besides like 60 plus year old moderates. So is the most peaceful cohort is our audience. The most radical violent cohort are the people on the left.
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C
And what this actually shows is that the left is pulling the people in the middle towards violence. Which I think is the most mind blowing piece of. This is the moderates.
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A
Look at the moderates. Yeah, moderate picking up too.
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C
60 plus are the least violent. And moderates at 18 to 39 are being dragged towards violence because of how radical the left is.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Thomas Matthew Crook's also 20 years old.
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A
Yes, yes. So they're getting sucked down. These, these little discord chats and these 4chan chats. They're saying I saw media San say oh, leftists don't get on or I think he retweeted somebody but he's like leftists don't go on 4chan. I'm like, yes, they do. Yes. You obviously do not know.
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B
No, no, they've been doing it for years.
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A
You obviously do not understand the world that a 20 year old especially white male lives in.
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B
Well, so 4chan has kind of evolved in from where it was in 2016 where it was heavily, you know, right dominated and like you know, just being there where there have been these brigades and attacks and there's, there's leftists all over 4chan now. And so that's why it's just not the same as it used to be, as horrible as it is. Not that I've ever seen it myself but people tell me that, that it's quite different now.
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A
But, but that being said, wait, Danny makes a good point here. I want to make a point. He says the real data is even worse. This poll was taken after September 10th. Yes. So 30% said this after. But we saw way higher, way higher celebrating it. It was actually way higher before. And it's also. And he makes another good point. Danny's the man Charlie loved. Gosh, Charlie loved Danny and he's such a great member of our team. He said, worth noting for this that a lot of these famous shootings are in gun free zones.
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D
Yeah, I mean that.
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C
But that's it.
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D
I find that sort of silly. Like I do.
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B
I do want to add though it's worth.
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C
Can I throw in this too? What really gets my go about this thing too is that Operation Arctic Frost which was going after, which was investigating conservative organizations that have absolutely turning point. Yeah. Turning point in specific had no non violent tendency or had all nonviolent tendencies. While the FBI could have been and should have been investigating and spending all their time and energy on this, on the violence that emits from antifa from all the left wing organizations from these cells of young men on the left.
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B
Increasingly involved like one of the antifa, I would say evolutions is that you see this trans ideology now infused and.
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C
We haven't spent that any near enough time we like we would. We were planning all this week on talking a lot about Arctic Frost with Charlie or the last two weeks we haven't spent nearly enough time talking about all this and it's yet to come out.
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A
Well, what Is Arctic Frost for, for people in the island.
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C
This was what was what was unveiled right. In that same week that Charlie was murdered was that Turning Point USA was being investigated during the Biden administration by the FBI tracking everything and anything that Turning Point was doing to basically make criminals out of a non criminal organization.
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A
By the way, I was told, just for people that are wondering that that had been shut down immediately upon Cash getting control of the FBI. Yeah. So whatever that division was, has been.
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C
But that's the insanity of all this is we don't even know all the information that's pertinent to that. But that's what the, that's what our federal law enforcement agencies were doing instead of going after the murderous, you know, basically hitting gang violence in plain sight with, with mentally ill young men on the left and leftist organizations that are stoking this fire.
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B
Yeah. And I do want to just say that one of the pieces that we see in this profile becomes a very sort of like there's this weird talking point going on out there. And I saw Lindsey Graham saying that we should like censor the Internet now and, and get rid of like, was it section 302 or 203?
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A
203 or no, 232, 35. Yeah, you fried my brain there.
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B
I have section 230. None of us have slept in like two weeks.
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A
Yeah, exactly. I know me one more time and say I look tired. I understand. My mom just kid, you look tired. You need a day off. I was like, our moms must be coordinating because. Yeah. I was like, yes. Those are bags under my eyes. Yes, but here's my point, here's my.
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B
Point is the radicalization doesn't necessarily take place on discord because we've lived through waves of left wing terrorism before in this country, the 60s and 70s, certainly in the early, early 1900s, the late 1800s, William McKinley.
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A
Right.
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B
We had a, we had a President of the United States who was shot in Buffalo, New York by a left wing anarchist who walked up and shot him in 1901. That's how Teddy Roosevelt became our youngest president. And you know, he didn't have discord in video games. And yet I keep hearing these like D.C. republicans say, oh, it's the video games and the discords. That's what we have to go after. And it's like, no, no, no, it's an ideology.
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A
I'm telling you.
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B
It's an ideology that's driving all this.
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A
I believe this very firmly, that if I believe God was working through Charlie Kirk both in life but even he was leaving little Easter eggs for us right before his death. And Charlie was communicating these things. And he sent a text to Stephen Miller, and we've talked about it on the show, but it's worth reiterating now. And he said his last text to Stephen Miller was, we have to go after the networks that are financing and fomenting violence and radicalization. So there's a way to do that via Ricoh. Blake would know more about that than I would, but whatever that is, that's a piece of this. Right? I don't think it's getting. I don't think it's suppressing free speech. Charlie was a free speech absolutist. And it's not by calling things hate speech. What we do also is we have to bring young men back into a place of centeredness. This is why Charlie was so fixated on, like, building new homes, affordable new homes. He wanted a moonshot for new homes. We have to get young men to buy in and have skin in the game.
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B
And how about also we stop demonizing young men as a society and blaming them for every problem that's in society, particularly young white men where you're to blame for everything. It's your fault.
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A
You.
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B
You're the ones who are responsible for all of this. And Hillary Clinton, again. Hillary Clinton goes up on tv, and that's exactly what she said.
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C
Isn't it so interesting that the demonization of young white men has resulted in the ignoring of the most mentally unhealthy young white men that are all on the left. I mean, truly, the. Some of the outcomes that.
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B
Well, yeah, it's like on the left. So on the right, it drives us. Right, it drives us to church. On the left, it drives them to commit assassinations because they don't have God.
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C
And they have no one actually looking after them. Yeah, because when you try to subjugate an entire population of people, it doesn't matter who it is in whatever culture, when you do that, what ends up happening is you have a pocket on your own side that just gets completely and blatantly ignored. And that's what they've done. They've essentially created this horribly radicalized system now of men who are completely ignored on the right, who have now been pushed toward God. And we're now picking up the pieces.
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B
Of that thanks to Charlie.
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C
And then the ones on the left that they're supposed to be responsible for, that they're doing absolutely zero for.
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B
By the way, if you are a white male who's on the left because you don't have those characteristics that would allow you to be part of their hierarchy, then it might drive you to commit more extreme acts to show your solidarity and loyalty to the revolution. Because leftist politics is dependent not on skill. It's dependent on loyalty.
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A
I love this topic, but it's not debunking the lies, but it is undergirding. But here's the thing. So this is funny. Let's go ahead and show image 173. This is an easy one we can get through in the time we have remaining. This is a pic, a tweet commenting on CK going after Chenk, saying, that time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience multiple times. Pardon my French. I'm just quoting. He made millions off of his racism and sexism.
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D
Not visible here. That's five.
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B
Sunk.
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A
Sunk. Okay, thank you. So I apologize for saying that. It was just in the tweet anyway, so the point is he didn't say it. Okay, so let's. This was actually funny. I remember this might have been the first event I met Erica at, Actually, she was with us. This was at politikon in, like, 2018 or something like that. I forget. Something like that. So let's go ahead and play the actual clip. Charlie hated when this thing went viral. This was Politikon. He was debating Hasan Piker on stage. And then Cenk started from the young Turks, started chirping at him from the audience. Who is Hasan's boss? Who's Hasan's box? Yeah. But by the way, it's interesting to note that at the rnc, Charlie and Cenk talked about this moment, and I'll never forget. So Charlie actually went on their show, and he's like. And he said, you know, I live like a capitalist every day. Chank and Charlie to chenk at the RNC in 2024, then said, I don't even know. Like, what does that even mean? Charlie was like, I've grown up a lot since that moment. Okay, so we're gonna play the Cenk clip. This was. Of all the Charlie moments, this went viral.
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B
All right, we have to. We have to say something right now. It's jank.
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A
I know, right?
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B
Like a J.
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D
That's.
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B
That's where this objection started.
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D
Objection.
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B
Where it all started.
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D
As an American, I should not be expected to know how to pronounce, right?
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B
I know. But if you're gonna put it a.
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D
Name, I can name him too.
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B
Point of order. If you're having an event with someone, you should know how to pronounce.
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D
It.
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A
We still didn't know. I actually saw Cenk back, but yeah. So here's the actual clip. Let's play at 174.
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E
You're trying to attack me, which is ridiculous.
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A
Like asking me what my salary is.
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E
Sure, I'll reveal it willingly. You brought it up in context. Why don't you live like a socialist, okay? Go look like a socialist. Larger. The point is larger than that, Charlie. I live like a capitalist every single day. Chink. I live as a capitalist, okay?
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A
I live.
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E
When I know. What do I do. I get charity every single year.
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A
Hold on, hold on, Charlie.
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E
Come on, Jake, let's go.
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B
Charlie, what are you doing?
- [39:20]
A
Take a seat.
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D
Take a seat.
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A
All right.
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B
No, no.
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D
Take a seat.
- [39:23]
A
Take a seat.
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D
You're going to take a seat over here.
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E
What's my salary?
- [39:28]
A
All right. Oh, ridiculous. All right, behave, everyone. Jesus Christ.
- [39:33]
E
Okay, I practice what I preach.
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A
Charlie. Charlie, stop.
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E
You do not practice what you preach.
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A
Charlie.
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C
I love this moment, Andrew. So funny, because this was the first moment. And this was. This was. This was tennis shoes. Charlie.
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A
Era.
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C
So this is when we.
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D
We were talking.
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A
Those were actually Yeezys or. What was it?
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C
Was he wearing the Yeezys there? Or was he wearing that Adidas that we got?
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A
I think that was.
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D
You know, the thought occurs. But it's kind of funny is this is. You know, Charlie always was very much like. He would try to. He would try to imitate successful people. So he'd use a lot of, like, Rushisms because he's like, well, Russia's the most successful radio host. I should try to be like Rush. And all I'm thinking of when I saw that is, you remember at the 2016, I think. Was it the RNC or. I think it was the RNC where Alex Jones. He went after.
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B
I was literally standing next to them.
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D
Exactly. I was there when it happened.
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B
They crashed the.
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D
And I can't. I can't.
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B
I was there.
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D
Wonder if, like, maybe Charlie was like, alex Jones is really successful. I should get.
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C
All I remember is that this was the moment where, you know, again, Charlie. This was the first time Charlie. And really one of the only times truly, that Charlie went aggressive at somebody. And it was. It was actually so incredible, like, the entire office was buzzing that we had Turning Point for the last two weeks.
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A
I walked out with him and Erica and I think Sarah was with us. It was Sarah, but Erica was there at that event. And it was in Los Angeles down at the convention center. And we walked out and all of these young guys were like, Charlie. Charlie. We were walking out. But it is funny when you think about this in the context of Charlie's, you know, as he matured and grew and then he would eventually end up going on the Young Turks broadcast from the RNC and sort of say, I don't even know what that meant, you know, and then, and then we had Cenk, of course, at amfest, which was like a big scandal that we would allow. We would platform Cenk. But Cenk was actually, you know, at the rnc, he was like, hey, listen, I vehemently disagree with you guys. I think you're wrong. But like let's, you know, he has this line like, let's have a beer after. And I kept thinking, Charlie doesn't drink. But although, although, I will say, if.
- [41:40]
B
You notice that clip, you can hear how hoarse Charlie's throat is when he's doing that. That's where the mint tea comes from. And the honey.
- [41:46]
A
Yes. He started learning how to protect his voice. So as our dear friend's empty chair and still doesn't feel real.
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B
But his thought crimes remain.
- [41:57]
A
But his thought crimes remain. And he lives in all of us. And God has a plan and God has a harvest. And it's our job to step into it. And so, you know, and by the way, it's, you know, the audience has been amazing and I'm getting so many notes about this show. I think you guys are enjoying it. So that's good because we're having.
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B
I was sending notes, but they weren't like that.
- [42:16]
A
We're having a good time.
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D
Before we do the next thing, really quick, I just want, since we were making fun of last segment.
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C
Jake like Jenky.
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D
That's how you say it.
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C
They run a jinkie.
- [42:29]
D
Say it.
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B
Jenk.
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D
Yankee.
- [42:30]
B
That is okay.
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D
Jank Uygur. Since we've been making fun of his name and making fun of his clashes with Charlie, I want to acknowledge there's a lot of people on the left who said really ugly and really nasty things last two weeks. Cenk has not. Cenk said very kind things about Charlie. He was extremely upset about his death. I've got some of his stuff up here. He says, you know, my heart goes out to his family. F whoever did this, we are all now in danger. Violence is always wrong. He's been great on that. So I wanted to give him a shout out for that.
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A
That's fair.
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D
And speaking of, he was.
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A
He was. I will say he was a like list. Listen, I disagree with him completely, obviously. And people get mad that we even platformed at Amfest. He was so gracious, like genuinely gracious.
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D
He's just a rambunctious.
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C
Can I put this out? Our back and forth with the Young Turks is great too. It's like a great. It's great for America for the back and forth, the volleying. And obviously Charlie on our side is.
- [43:25]
D
Energetic, intellectual, nonviolent debate. That's what we want.
- [43:28]
C
But Jake was also vocally oppositional to the Biden Kamala thing. And so leaning. It's like people forget. This is like, of course we're gonna lean in on anyone. The left that's. That's going like basically at Kamala.
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A
That helps us and. Yeah. And that helps us keep going the next one.
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D
This is also something that got dunked on really nastily by people. We'll do the very short version that would get shared constantly on TikTok. Let's do the very short 186.
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E
See, I can't stand the word empathy. Actually. I think empathy is a made up New age term that does a lot of damage.
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B
Bam.
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D
They would just use that. They would just use that and crap all over him. Oh, Charlie was evil. Now we can, you know, throw a touchdown, you know, spike the football because he's dead. We'll explain this out. Let's do first, let's just do the full contextual clip. This was way back. I think this is like my first week on the show. He said this or, you know, working for it back in October 2022. Let's play clip 170 instead.
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E
It is to say you're actually not in pain. So let's just a little very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy. Actually. I think empathy is a made up New age term that does a lot of damage. But it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.
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D
So first of all, a few important things. One, this is clearly a like side remark he is making before throwing to a video. This is not a speech he's giving to the entire world.
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A
It's Clinton going, I feel your pain.
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D
Yeah, exactly. He's like riffing on that. But the reason he's saying this, it's like, it's just Charlie fixating on the exact words that you use, which he often could do. It's like when he would complain. Republic, not a democracy. He didn't like the word democracy.
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A
He hated the word democracy. We're a constitutional public with democratic.
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D
I would always tease him about that. I'm like, we are democracy, Charlie. But.
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A
Well, technically. Yeah, exactly.
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D
Everyone uses democracy to mean a country like, you know, the United States, at least before Biden. Everything, anyway. But what he's getting out there is empathy versus sympathy. So empathy means definitionally, like the ability to get inside someone else's head. You can get in their shoes. You understand how they feel. You can sort of, as you said, I feel your pain.
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B
I would even. I would even. It's not just that you. This. This is the key difference. It's not that you just that you understand. Because I think that's still more sympathy. It's that you actually feel what they.
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D
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. And certainly that's what people often use it to demand of you.
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A
Correct.
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D
Sympathy, which he preferred, is just the more straightforward. You see someone in pain and you feel.
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A
I recognize you were moved to pity you.
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D
You don't like that. It's a much more. It's much more in line with the traditional Christian virtue of charity. You want to feel charity towards others.
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A
You mourn with those who mourn, you weep with those.
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D
Exactly. And that's what Charlie would prefer. Whereas when the reason he says it's kind of a new age psyop is they use that empathy thing for. Okay, you have to feel the pain I feel, which means you have to basically do what I tell you to do. It's a sort of morally coercive thing in a way. Sympathy is not best sympathy. You can have sympathy for someone and still say you are incorrect. Like, you even brought this on yourself. Though I have sympathy for you and do wish to help you.
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B
The best example of Charlie on this is Charlie on the whatever podcast where you can see he has sympathy for the sex workers and the only fans, girls who are there where he. He gives them value, but also says, you shouldn't be doing this.
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A
We should pull that clip. It's a good clip. I was. Blake and I were in the room that time.
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E
Our good friends at Angel Studios. I love Angel Studios. Amazing new film this Holy Week.
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A
As I think about Charlie's life and how much of a support he was.
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C
Of angel, it's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did.
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A
He supported us in our darkest days.
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C
And in our brightest hours as a company. Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together.
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A
We asked him, we said, are you.
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E
Are you at all worried about one.
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C
Of these college campuses?
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A
And he just said with so much peace in his Eyes and so much.
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C
Peace in his heart.
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A
If that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go. I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony.
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C
To Jesus Christ, his Lord and savior. And his relationship with him was the most important thing that he would want.
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A
The world to remember about his legacy.
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C
Man, are we grateful to have gotten.
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A
To be a little connection in the.
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C
Multitude of connections that he made throughout his life because it was so impactful to us.
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A
Thank you, Charlie.
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B
Love you.
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A
We miss you. We're going to continue to drive forward the good news. Oh, we do. We have the. We have the Hillary Clinton talking about the threat of white Christians, if we want to get back to that. But anyways, yeah, I think we just.
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B
Have to play it because we.
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C
Everybody needs to hear it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Let me know when it's loaded. Studio. It's loaded. Okay, 208. Let's play it.
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D
The idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a.
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B
World that never was dominated by, you.
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D
Know, let's say it, white men of.
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B
A certain persuasion, a certain religion, a.
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A
Certain point of view, a certain ideology.
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D
It'S just doing such damage to what.
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A
We should be aiming for.
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B
And we were on the path toward that. I mean, imperfectly.
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D
Lots of, you know, bumps along the.
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A
Way, but I agree with you.
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B
We were on the right trajectory.
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A
When were we on the right trajectory?
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B
So she's. She's telling the truth. She. She's being completely honest about her. Her goals and aims here, that her target is the demonization of whites, of males and. And above all else, Christians. And so the goal of the left, for. I don't know.
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A
When was this clip from?
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B
Is this yesterday?
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A
This is yesterday.
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B
Yesterday.
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C
This is how insane it is.
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B
And she said we were on a path to removing all of that from society. Whiteness, which they upwindly talk about every day, men, which of course, are demonized every day, and specifically Christianity. And suddenly she says, and we're coming back to that. And we just. We just can't go back to that. And she's telling you she's afraid, so afraid of the Christian revival that is now happening in America. That's why they roll her back out on msnbc, to remind everybody, hey, hey, we're supposed to be fighting this stuff.
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C
Yeah. I think what's so damaging with this is that there's nobody coming out from mainstream media to dunk on Hillary Clinton for this. This. This point is so important for all of America to hear and to reiterate, villainizing young white Christian men, who Andrew just pointed out with the graph, with the data that's out there, are the least violent, are enabling violence and agitating violence on the left.
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A
It was to be clear, that was young conservatives of both genders. Probably both sexes, rather. But. Yeah, but we could. Yeah. I mean, Trump won probably white males by quite a bit. So there is crossover in those two corners.
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C
But given that data with moderates, I mean, the moderates aren't young Christian males.
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A
That's true. Yeah.
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C
Young white Christian males are becoming significantly more conservative, which is leaving behind the small fragmentation that are not being handled because of divisive statements like. Like Hillary's, which.
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A
I totally agree. I totally agree. I want to get your point.
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B
To Andrew's point. We did have a mass shooting of Christian children by a female, Audrey Hale in 2023 in Nashville.
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A
And.
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B
But again, this is a female who was believing that she was.
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A
Yeah, exactly. All right, next one Biden execution. So I'll admit, like, in the days that followed, I think it was like, literally the day of. I saw this clip from somebody being passed around the day he. You know, maybe it was the day after, because the day it happened, I couldn't go on social media at all. But the Biden execution, I was like, I don't remember Charlie calling for. And I think they said publicly executed. It was the quote I said. I was like, man, I feel like.
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D
It was mixing up two things.
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B
This happens to me all the time too. Like, you'll be like, Jack Pasobic said this. And I'm like, I don't actually recall saying that, like, or anything close.
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A
Well, so. So this is actually the clip, right, Blake? 176 is the. Is the.
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D
We can do both. We'll do both things that went together because people did merge. Let's. We'll do the Biden one first. Yeah. 176.
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A
She.
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E
She gives these speeches and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she's Indian and Caribbean. I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. A lot. I mean, Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia filled, Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and. Or given the death penalty for his crimes against America. But Kamala Harris, my goodness, there's something that just kind of is tribal where people are like, I don't know if I want this crazy person running the country.
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D
All right, so first detected. I need to definitely take some blame on this one. I don't know for sure because I don't think we have, like, records of that. But I'm pretty sure I was in the telegram chat, and I was, like, egging on Charlie, where I was just like, biden stinks. He should be in jail.
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A
Okay, so. And. Or executed. This dynamic. So when I first met Charlie, Charlie was against capital punishment. So he did not believe. But. So then Blake joins the team, and Blake is. I would say, if you're radical on one issue, it's probably that issue Blake wants to bring back, like, you know, capital punishment in all various forms. And you can. I know sometimes you're, like, joking, but sometimes it's hard to, like, figure out what that is. But in general, I would say your position is that capital punishment takes too long, and, you know, you're essentially 20 years later, somebody eventually gets put to death for a crime they committed. Sometimes the victims, families and their loved ones are. Have passed on themselves. Like, you know, you've got people that barely remember the crime, that are witnessing it and it. And it. And it ceases to have the effect that capital punishment is supposed to have, which is a deterrent effect. Right. And so your point is like, hey, listen, if we have somebody, we know they did it, it should happen quickly.
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D
So that's not. So that's what we're getting at. I know Biden won the Biden one. What we're getting at is. But that with the Biden one, what we're getting at is really he was trying to basically just drive home. The reason he would sometimes speak really intensely about Biden in that way is he really wants to drive home how disastrous. I don't. Disastrous how, like, treacherous reason is so I don't even fuss over using the word trees. You did.
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A
You kept trying to tell us not to use the word trees, but then.
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D
It'S just like Biden's situation at the border was basically total open border. You can get in if you use drugs. About 10 different code words. You can come in. Like, we have not just people coming in from Mexico or Central America. We have tens of thousands of people coming in unchecked from China, from maritime, from Pakistan, from, like, the worst places in the world. No Czechs could be here for any reason. Any sinister reason. Spies, militants, drug dealers, gangsters, all sorts of this stuff being deliberately enabled and just let along. And we were like, we should actually come out and be like, okay, substantively, at what point are you just as a leader, like, midwifing an invasion of your own country and at that point, that's like treason. And so that's what we were getting at with that.
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C
Plus the marriage of the Biden family with all these foreign entities, I mean, it just. It never has been talked about. It never has been purely, truly investigated. It's never been spread. The time has not been spent, certainly from the mainstream media. And so, yeah, I mean, the invasion of our country, I think, is married directly to that. And that has to be still discussed. And every time Trump opens his mouth about it, it's like he gets slapped down by anyone and everyone. And Charlie was one of the only people that talked about it. And God bless him for it.
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A
Yeah.
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D
And then. So that the Biden one then mixed up with the other one. We had a great conversation on Thought Crime. This was back in February 2024. Thank you, media Matters, for continuing to be a great clipper of all Thought Crime content.
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A
This is basically how we found all these things.
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D
I don't think we have this clip right now, and it's pretty long, but I want to read the quote because it's amazing. So this is.
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A
I remember this.
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B
Oh, wait, wait. Can I give a shout out? Because Media's Lies is actually clipping our show live right now.
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D
Great, thank you very much. Media Lies, which is way better, way cooler than Media Matters, But I am still grateful to their diligent on our behalf. So this was Charlie saying, you know, my other problem with the death penalty, it takes too long, too many appeals. Tyler says it's too expensive. And then Charlie says it should be public, it should be quick, and it should be televised. And then Tyler pointed out, he's like, the last execution, France, was the guillotine in 1977. Yeah. And then 100%, they used it all the way till 1977. And then Tyler says, that's so cool.
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A
So, yeah, the point is.
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B
So he never said the word children.
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C
No.
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D
Well, so what happened was done in public and people should watch it. And then he threw out. How young do we do that? And I said. I said 12, maybe.
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A
Oh, I remember that. Yeah, I remember this. And again, the point is, like, you can disagree with this sentiment. That's totally fair. But again, there is a difference between when the state arrest somebody for a vicious crime and a jury of his peers pronounces him guilty in the first degree, and there is capital punishment, and that that person should be. Should. The sentence should be carried out. And by the way, I just want to say, by the end of Charlie's life, he was pro death penalty. I remember asking him that a couple months ago, are you sure that you believe that the state has the right to get.
- [57:26]
B
There's that clip of him that's been going viral.
- [57:28]
A
And he said, yeah, yeah. He said absolutely no. And that was an evolution for him.
- [57:33]
C
And this is the point, yeah, this is the point with that conversation is that it was that the public knew about what was going on. It wasn't about the, the grittiness of it. It was about the public knowledge of.
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A
It was a deterrent of capital punishment. That's the whole point of capital punishment. You know, it's funny, I was telling a very prominent Fox News host this morning. I was texting back and forth with this person and I said something that struck me even as I said it. I was like, wow, that was really succinct. And I'm going to remember that I said I was closer to Charlie than basically anybody outside of Erica, maybe Mikey or whatever. And it strikes me that I was so close to him and yet how much he reminds me of. I'm not equating the two, but how much his life reminded me of the example of Jesus Christ. Like so to be that close to somebody and to see it up close and to see how well he lived out the lessons of Jesus in the Bible. Again, I'm not equating them. Charlie was an imperfect person. He was a human.
- [58:34]
B
It's how Charlie emulated his life. He emulated from the example of Jesus to be Christ like so he was actively trying to do it.
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A
He was trying to be like.
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B
So you're just recognizing that Charlie was doing that.
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A
But it's amazing to. It's striking to me that I got to be so close to it and how true and honest. That's actually the way that I saw Charlie. How he lived his life was so Christlike. And especially as he got older, he got more and more Christlike and his policies got better and his positions got better and his arguments got better. And that was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of God that was coming out of Charlie. And I just think that's remarkable that I was that close. And I genuinely really feel that and believe it.
- [59:20]
C
He was so thoughtful about the way that he approached every question and every personality and every person. And that that was part of the thing. I think that was a lot of his Christ like ability was that he studied the scriptures every single day. He was very prayerful, extraordinarily focused. But every single person that approached him similar to some of the stories about Jesus was that he would be thoughtful. It was never just like shoot off the hip. Yeah. Off the cuff. Dismissive.
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A
He was never that way interpersonally. He was amazing. And he was always so encouraging to. It didn't matter if you were somebody famous or somebody completely obscure. He was always the same, very thoughtful. Well.
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C
And I think that's what enabled people to follow him. Like that discipleship analogy is that so many people he was able to gather and have follow him that were able to get the work done.
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A
I completely agree. And one of. I mean, do we want to get to the civil rights thing? We'll get to it. Let's do another.
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D
Let's do another shorter one. Let's do the wives submit to your husband's one.
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B
We kind of talked about it, but.
- [60:17]
D
This is again, this is like barely even a smear. It's just people deciding to be nasty.
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A
About people that like don't understand that as a Christian we believe the Bible is infallible.
- [60:26]
D
This is the simple thing. It's like Charlie is a Bible believing Christian. And the Bible says a lot of things about marriage. It says stuff in First Peter, chapter three. Says stuff in Titus, chapter two. It says stuff. Titus, whatever. Colossians, chapter three and Ephesians.
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A
Colossians, Colossians.
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D
That's how I've heard it. They wrote to Rhodes, right?
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A
Yeah, Colossuses. Colossians, Colossians.
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D
That's where it's too right.
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A
It's weird when you hear it wrong and then you're like, wait, did I. Yeah. Anyway, keep going, keep going.
- [60:53]
D
I have to first find out if the episode to the Colossians and it's in a.
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A
It is the Colossians.
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D
But did he write it to Rhodes? That's why I'm trying to. Oh, it's Colossus. Dang it. No, the Colossus of Rhodes. I know, but I thought it might be like the people of the Colossus, but there is an actual city named Colossal. Dang it.
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A
No, continue. 177. Right.
- [61:12]
D
Okay. Anyway, yeah, let's do. Well, that's 177 is just a photo of him tweeting it or debunking already. But this is like not even really a debunking it. It's more like Charlie actually lived his life as a Christian. So he would emphasize. Yeah, he would talk about wives submitting to your husband. Let's do 178 as an example.
- [61:30]
E
This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative, engage in reality more and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor, you're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert. I can't say it without laughing. You got to change your name. If not, you don't really mean it. Congratulations.
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A
He did not get enough credit for how funny he was.
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D
Yeah, it was great.
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C
Wait, he evoked Taylor's name.
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A
So, yeah, that was another one.
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D
I think that where I just threw in, like, right as the segment was, she should change your name. And then he thought, yeah, that out. But yeah, it's like. But Charlie was also very clear about what that meant. Like that, you know, husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives as Christ laid down himself for the church. That's the comparison that pops up in the New Testament. It's that the relationship between Christ and the church is like a husband and a wife. That is like the ideal they are setting. And so what does Christ do? Christ leads. But Christ also sacrifices himself on the cross for the church. Husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives. And as we know, Charlie lived that. Charlie did that himself. And Charlie gladly did that all the.
- [62:55]
A
Way to the end. This one has very few teeth, in my opinion, because people have gotten to see Erica Kirk and the strength that she has. And by the way, this is breaking news. I'm just gonna do it right now. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Erica Kirk is going to be on this program tomorrow. She will be on this program tomorrow. So set your calendars, make an alert. We are going to have Erica Kirk on the Charlie Kirk show for the first time since all of this, all of this has happened. And she is going to talk to the Charlie Kirk show audience. So we're very, very honored that she is going to be making the time. She's, you know, she's not like Charlie in the sense that she's doing this podcast and this podcast. She is a grieving widow. She is got a lot on her plate. And the fact that she's doing this with us tomorrow is it real treat and a real special honor. I mean, you wouldn't believe the type of inquiries of the people that want to talk to her. So she wants to talk to you in the audience. Real, real Americans and the people that love Charlie. And so that's what we're going to do it tomorrow. We will have Erica Kirk, Andrew, and.
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C
She'S actually, as we speak right now, this is what I've been. Somebody was like, Andrew's busting tire for being on his phone. Erica's actually on a zoom call with all of our staff right now, getting everybody organized, working with everyone.
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A
She's a true CEO.
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C
She is at the. She like, as we speak right now. That's what we're doing, and everybody is working, you know, full steam ahead here to answer the calls that behind Erica's leadership. And so I'm excited to see her tomorrow because there's a lot to cover, but she has been an incredibly brave soul through all this, and it is. It has emboldened all of us.
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A
Yeah, well, and this just goes to show you, there's a clip of this actually African American woman who. Or a black woman, however we like to say it on the show. We usually use that. The latter. But she was so sweet. She said to Charlie, she said, you know how I know Charlie? She didn't like Charlie at first, and she started following the things Charlie said, though, at some point, and she's like, you know how I know Charlie Kirk was right about this stuff? Because when I did the things that Charlie encouraged me to do, my life got markedly better. And you can see that the way that Charlie viewed marriage, the way that the Bible prescribes a healthy and godly marriage, is amazing. And Charlie tweeted that after he said God's design for marriage is amazing. And now you see the kind of woman that involved in a healthy, balanced relationship where they are not rivals. That line was so powerful to me. You are not your husband's rival. Erica said that at the event.
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D
If we want.
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A
Sure, if you want to play.
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D
Yeah, yeah, let's do. I think. I think these go consecutively.
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A
Yesterday.
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D
Yeah, let's do. How about.
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C
We do.
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D
I think 121 and 122 are consecutive. Might have to flush this real quick, but let's do. Let's do that. Let's do 121 immediately followed by 122.
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A
To all the men watching around the.
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D
World, accept Charlie's challenge and embrace true manhood.
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B
Be strong and courageous for your families.
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D
Love your wives and lead them. Love your children and protect them.
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A
Be the spiritual head of your home. But please be a leader worth following your wife. Your wife is not your servant.
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D
Your wife is not your employee. Your wife is not your slave.
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A
She is your helper.
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D
You are not rivals. You are one flesh working together for.
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A
The glory of God. Amen. Erica Kirk. And I would say that Erica Kirk is the debunking, the living embodiment of that, of this critique of Charlie. It's not really like a lie. It's like, he really believed this. You just hate the Bible.
- [67:25]
B
So what it is. And by the way, I could sit here for an hour and talk about how just remarkable it is that Erica is doing all of this while going through this at the same time and being there for the kids and all this. It's incredible to witness. Just incredible to witness. And I mean that truly. And as someone who I can consider a friend and that there are so many people who just don't understand Christianity. And I said this the other night on one of the interviews, is that when they watched that memorial service and they saw so many aspects of Christian society that aren't normally infused in public society, in the public space. So certain quotes from the Bible, which, by the way, go up against what the secular idols of the age. Right, that we've been talking about, like, what thought crime is all about. That's one of them right there. This is a biblically ordered marriage, a biblically ordered relationship. And when you see these things in public, it can be confusing to members of the media or people who are raised secularly or live secularly that just don't get it and don't understand what we're talking about because they're so far removed from the Bible itself. And so I think it's amazing to actually just be able to show that. That, yeah, we have strong wives. Everyone, you know, every one of us that's married, we have very strong wives, and we're very blessed to have wives that are far better than we deserve. And. And that's great. And that doesn't mean that, you know, we. We sit there and play the, you know, the old game of, like, you know, happy wife, happy life, you know, or any of that. But it's. It's. You have to be a man who's deserving of that. Tyler just said in the chat, they're all blonde.
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A
That's true.
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D
What there's, you know, it is more generally, it's interesting.
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A
My wife's blonde. Your wife's blonde. Your wife's blonde.
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B
Erica's blonde.
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D
I like brunettes.
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A
We're gonna get Blake. I like brunettes, too.
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B
And then I met Tanya, and I was like, okay, we're going blonde.
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D
All right, There we go. You know, in general, I kind of wanted to flag this just because it is so interesting. After the memorial, some people have basically come out and been like. Like, they're. They're deeply unsettled that there was this big event where people were praying and, you know, talking about this feel so alien, normal. So Thomas Chatterton Williams, who's just this very funny guy. He's a writer at the Atlantic. He's written. You know, he's kind of this one of those, like, centrist writers who's respected or whatever. He's not nuts. But he had this response where he tweeted, I've spent half my life, half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another, and I don't think I've ever felt as estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement. Meaning the people at our. At our memorial. Not even a criticism. I just feel more at home in Greece than in these images. And it's, you know, images of Eric.
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A
And then Matt Walsh was like, yeah.
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D
And then Matt Walsh is like, then leave.
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A
Then leave.
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D
And that's like, a good answer.
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A
Then leave.
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D
If you can't handle, like, American popular Protestant culture, like, you don't like America because we've had this since the Great Awakening.
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A
Yeah. And, you know, there's this idea, well.
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B
America's always been a Christian majority nation.
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D
A Christian majority, but also just very culturally, it is low church. Protestantism is like, the big thing that has contributed culturally to American.
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B
Well, and the founders said over and over, all of this is for a Christian nation. And if you walk away from. With, you know, the flip side of that being that if you walk away from Christianity, none of this stuff is gonna work.
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D
John Adams, he warned us.
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B
Sure did.
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A
So I. I think that's. I think that's really spot on. And I just. Again, I'm just gonna reiterate that Erica is the living embodiment of the debunking of the fact that Charlie was anywhere, anything but 100,000% right about husbands and wives. And by the way, it was always just funny to me that every time Charlie would utter the word Taylor Swift or the name Taylor Swift, that it would just explode and there would be, like, 15 articles written about it, and poor Daisy and Emma would just be freaking out because they're huge Swifties, which, you know, listen, this is a free country. They are free to make mistakes, and that's fine. No, we. I actually. I actually don't have any animus towards T. Swift or what is it? Travis, Taylor, Kelsey? Now, is it. Is it going to be that. Do you think she's.
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B
Now, is he going to be wearing the dress? That's what I want to know.
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C
Travis Swift.
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B
So is she going to wear the tux and he's going to wear.
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A
We're being bad.
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C
No, it's Travis Swift.
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B
No, I'm saying very effeminate man. He's a very small player.
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A
Like, he's a.
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B
Listen to him talk. He's very feminine.
- [72:11]
A
Okay, well, maybe, yes.
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C
We have no animus towards Taylor Swift or anyone.
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A
I mean, you guys, I don't. I don't. I don't share the animus. I've always been very clear about that. And we're gonna go to the next topic because I'm not backing down. Jack's probably gonna get written up now and say, I've already been written up. Charlie's gonna get blamed. Right on. Whatever you say now. It's just that the way it works. All right. And by the way, you know, you guys have been so sweet. I've gotten. I mean, I can't keep up with the messages like Charlie does. But so many of you are asking how you can support us or help us. And I just. I know that God has his hand on this show and on Charlie's legacy and what Erica is going to do with this, and she is behind this 100%. I've told this before, but Erica gave me a couple directions in the immediate aftermath, and it was, you're our spokesman. Go out and be a spokesman. Okay. Do the interviews. Okay. I will do what Erica says. She's our leader. She's the beating heart, the spiritual center of Turning Point, and even of the show. And then she said, you got to keep the show going. And so we're going to keep the show going. And I know that you guys have heard that message loud and clear. I said it in my speech. And if you do want to help us, that's so sweet of you to ask. People keep asking. So I'm just going to do this once. I hope this isn't come off weird or anything, but you guys keep messaging. So we do have the shirts. If you want to get the shirts, you can do that. And so many of you have. So thank you for that. And if you want to become a member, members.charliekirk.com, we're still doing the members stuff, and we're still going to do members calls, and all of that stuff is going to keep going. So please do those two things, and it means a lot. And you're helping support us in kind of some uncertain times. So it's very great. We're very grateful to you. Let's go to the next clip. Go ahead.
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B
Oh, just because we haven't mentioned it yet, we should throw a shout out to Megyn Kelly for the great event last night.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Thank you for reminding me. Virginia Tech, Glenn Youngkin, Megyn Kelly, 3,000, 3,100 people. We are so limited by the venue sizes. So we have a couple of events coming up that have about 9,000 seats or almost close to 10,000. So we'll be able to fit more and more people in at some of these. Some of the venues are just smaller. But I'm sure we could have filled up a 9,000 person venue last night with Megyn Kelly and Glenn Youngkin at Virginia Tech. But it was amazing and such a success. And I have so much respect for Michael Knowles, who's been a friend for a long time, and Megan, who's been a friend for a long time, never met Glenn Youngkin, but I have respect that he came out there and got behind what we're doing here at Turning Point and where the show must go on, the tours must go on, Amfest will go on in December and so much more. We have a lot of plans that are getting formulated as we speak. So Charlie's legacy and his goodness and his mission blesses us now even still. And we are going to be good stewards of that energy. Charlie would demand that we capture this energy and help this country. And you know, we're doing it for Charlie, we're doing it for America, and we're doing it because we love the Lord and the Lord has his hand on this and we believe it. So let's go to the next one. Blake, what's the next? I think we have to go to civil rights.
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D
We have two big topics to hit and I think Civil Rights act is the better of the two to start with. So this is again, this loops back to the DEI pilots thing, which this is like the big miasma. But I think this is one of the ones. Obama literally attacked us over the stuff he said about this.
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B
Sure did.
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D
And it's just. Let's start with like kind of this montage that from Charlie. Let's do clip 171 and the civil.
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E
Rights act, though let's be clear, created a beast and that beast has now turned into an anti white weapon. This topic would have been even more forbidden four or five years ago, but it's now becoming in more and more mainstream circles. Is that because the problem is becoming worse or. But our side is more courageous to confront it. The present reality, not the ideal, the reality of the Civil Rights act and how it's being used is making it harder for us to pursue excellence as a society. Here's a fact. Since the Civil Rights act passed, I think that it's fair to say any sort of racist sentiments that are in America have gone, at least individually amongst white people towards black people have gone away. What I'm trying to counter is the reason we talk about race so much is because we have a federal holiday. To a guy that talked about race all the time. We celebrate the Civil Rights act more than the American Founding.
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A
That last part is really the core.
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D
Yeah.
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A
That really bothered Charlie that we would honor the second foundation, if you will.
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B
The third really he ascribed to the Caldwell theory that this second founding superseded the actual founding.
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D
So yeah, there's this book that everyone should be aware of this book because it's very important. Even if you haven't read it though, it's not long. It's called the Age of Entitlement by Chris Caldwell.
- [76:56]
A
I think we've sold more copies of that book for Chris Caldwell than any quite possibly.
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D
And to be clear, Chris Caldwell is a guy who is. Do we have that in the B roll? Put it up if you can. 216. I think we just got it. And so this guy works for. He writes for the New York Times. He's not an obscure person. He is not a, like, he's not a nobody. He's not this big winger. And what he says in the Age of Entitlement is he basically says that in the 1960s we sort of refounded America on, you know, the civil rights stuff that we passed. And we basically took America from the original constitutional order to a new one where basically America's chief purpose is being like anti racist and like pro equality, but sort of not really.
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B
Which is what everyone on the left believes.
- [77:40]
D
Yes, they openly said Hillary Clinton just.
- [77:41]
B
Went on MSNBC and explained this is what we believe.
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D
Yes. And so what we've gotten is we've gotten a new reality where everything we do basically revolves around like the pursuit of this new civil rights order. And we're about to go to a break. I want to explain this. There's kind of multiple pieces to it. This is something people are going to have to know going forward because this is a core part of this admin and kind of what modern conservatism is.
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Continue on because this is a deep, deep well.
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D
So this is what you'll see when you. Whenever you see these Charlie clips. What he'll say is he'll say the act had good intentions, it had bad long term consequences. And this is very true because the Civil Rights act and other laws like it basically just Said, oh, you can't racially discriminate against people in hiring and various things. But the way it basically immediately was used by bureaucrats, by activists, and most importantly by judges and the courts was to mean the exact opposite of what people thought they were passing. Instead of it's illegal to discriminate, it became it's mandatory to discriminate. This came from a thing called disparate impact. If you haven't heard of it, it's still very important in your life. Disparate impact is a court doctrine where if you do something like if you have a test to hire someone, if you have some sort of hiring standard, and it produces a disparate impact, it doesn't affect everyone equally, different groups pass it more than others, then it can be used to find your violating civil rights law. The obvious problem with this is everything has a disparate impact, Literally everything. No one has found a test, a standard that does not apply differently based on your sex, your race, your religion, not because those things guide it, but they just don't have an equal outcome.
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B
This gets into the very same problem as DEI that we were talking about where Charlie was for a colorblind society based on merit, based on who's the best for the job, the slot in Ivy League or any school, and that equal standards should be applied. And suddenly we have this new piece of legislation that's like, well, again, well intentioned, but it creates these systems that Blake is going through that really kind of take us to places that I don't think were intended at all and certainly are not in line with our founders.
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D
Exactly. And the important thing is it basically, since everything has this essentially made everything illegal. And as a result, everything is just subject to the whim of bureaucrats. And this is where it gets really toxic. How do you know whether you're violating this law? Well, basically everyone's violating this law. So it's just, does the government like you or not? And one thing this does is it causes this endless escalation where that's why we have like the tyranny of HR directors, is that everyone's like, well, how do we prove we're not violating law? We don't have, you know, our company's demographics don't match the US's, because almost nobody's does. Our hiring does not match the demographics of who applies. So we need to, you know, juice the numbers a bit. So we do these big diversity initiatives. Like, that's kind of what United is going for when United does their announcement. Oh, we're going to have 50% of our pilots be from these groups. They're trying to say, look at us. We're trying really, really hard to comply with this. Don't sue us, please. Another thing we get is we get these hostile environment things. A side effect of these laws is you can be found liable for creating a hostile environment against people based on what you say. So, for example, if you're in a large workplace and you say, I think we should hire on merit and not have affirmative action, you can be dinged for creating a hostile environment towards groups. So we have rule by the most plausibly offended people. Rule by the offended. That is not an American value historically, but it is kind of this invisible dictatorship we've lived under for decades. And Charlie read Caldwell's book. He was very aware of this, and he talked about this, and he wasn't afraid of this. He wasn't afraid of topics that were awkward. And he would confront the fact that we have sacralized a law. And he basically is saying, other than Constitution, we shouldn't really do that. We shouldn't treat a piece of flawed legislation passed by Congress, which has become more flawed thanks to judges, as sacred scripture.
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B
And again, Hillary Clinton, right, she goes right up there on MSNBC and reiterates it. She says, this is what we're for. This is what was before, and this is what we're pushing for now.
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A
And to summarize, I think this in a succinct way. Charlie was not against the purest motives. I think there was some impure motives behind passing the Civil Rights Act. I think there was some political calculation done by.
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B
Lbj.
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A
Lbj. But nevertheless, many of the intentions were good. The law had problems, and it has created more problems. It created, as Charlie would say, a leviathan of the administrative class, which eventually morphed into the commissars of Wokeness and HR managers and DEI directors and all of these weights that held us back as a society from being able to achieve great things, right? This is why people like Elon Musk, that have achieved truly great things, hate this stuff too, because they know that in practice of building anything, this stuff weighs you down. And we must not let that happen as a culture. And Charlie was fearless about confronting these things. And to this day, it's one of the most. Some of the most respect I have for Charlie and the stands he would take. He knew he was going into a very, very controversial topic, but that never stopped him. Blake, take us away.
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D
Alrighty. So we're continuing on this like civil rights DEI topic. This is one that went viral. Another, like, total smear, total lie against Charlie was that people were just posting that Charlie claimed that, like, black women didn't have brain power.
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A
Yeah. Never.
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D
Do we have the exact quote he.
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B
Said, just never said it.
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D
Well, it's a. Do we have the exact quote that they were making up?
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A
Well, why don't we just go.
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D
I want to. I want to get the one. This one nine. Because. Yeah, so what people were saying, let's see, we have a fact check from Yahoo.com which apparently still exists, that supposedly the quote was, he said, again, this is alleged black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. This was shared on never said it social media. This is a lie. This is a lie. We're starting off with that. So let's go. First of all, let's do clip 192.
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E
Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have been called the racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because affirmative action.
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D
But I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action, and particularly in higher education. I may have been admitted on affirmative action both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color.
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E
I hear because of action affirmative.
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She can't even say that.
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E
We know, we know. It's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own.
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D
So. Yeah, so. And though there's another thing where he took, like, quotes and we put this on Twitter Back in 2023, it's like, joy Reid, I got into Harvard because of affirmative action. Sheila Jackson Lee, I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action. Michelle Obama. I wasn't supposed to go to Princeton because my high school counselor said my test scores were too low. And so Charlie come out and said, okay, you guys are all admitting you couldn't have gotten in if you had a different skin color and a different sex. If you were white men, you would have not gotten in. You're saying I deserve to get in, not because of my abilities, but because of my demographic categories. Charlie opposed that because Charlie favored treating people equally. That's what he said. And in this case, he was referring to these specific women. These specific women came out and said themselves I was not good enough to get in without affirmative action. Okay, thanks for letting us know.
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A
Yeah. And I remember with Michelle Obama specifically, I remember we quoted Christopher Hitchens, who had some very searing commentary about her college thesis. So I remember we talked about that, and Charlie talked about that at the time. He said, quote anyone who has read Michelle's college thesis, a document so illiterate and incoherent that it was. That it was written, as Christopher Hitchens put it, in no known language.
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D
He's being, like, a little meander. It's not a great thesis.
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A
No, but the point is, Charlie was just saying, like, you're admitting that you couldn't get in on your own merit now, okay, to be generous, you could say that the world was a different place when they were getting in, and there might have been actual bias. I don't know that that's true. I kind of don't believe it. But nevertheless, there wasn't. There was a version of American history in which, yeah, there was a bias against, you know, having a black woman at Yale or Princeton or something like that. Nobody.
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D
Nobody. Like nobody alive.
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B
Nobody.
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Who's taking the words out of my mouth. Yes.
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D
Yeah. Nobody alive today has lived through a period where there is actual, like, legal or institutional discrimination against.
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A
But this is. You're getting to a deeper point that. That if you are of a certain age.
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B
Except for white men.
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D
No, I said not any people. Those people.
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A
But you're getting to a deeper point, and that is that if you are of a certain age and you could basically cut the line at about 50. Jack. I would say if you are a black person In America over 50, you look at the Civil Rights act as a. You have canonized the Civil Rights Act. Right. You have. You look at it as. Is a. Almost like a tribal marker. And it is something. This is why the devotion to the Democrat party over 50 is so.
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B
It's like, I would say, like, you look at that as the real founding of America.
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A
Sure. Right. Is the promises of the Declaration of Independence finally coming to full fruition?
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B
It didn't apply to you until 1950.
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A
But under 50. If you're under 50, you are not connected to that in your. In living memory. Right. You're not even connected to it from a cultural standpoint, and you are less loyal or less tied to it. And that's why you're starting to see black. Especially Black men under 50. They are breaking more and more away from the Democrat Party because the results have been abysmal for them and their people and their families. And so that is that you're starting to see that. So. But it is sacrosanct if you are over 50, to attack the Civil Rights act to attack it. And even. Even Charlie would say, I'm not attacking the intention. I'm just simply saying it was a. It created certain problems. And that, I think is a fair.
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B
By the way, that's for whites over 52.
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A
Yeah, sure. I totally agree. I totally. Actually, that's a really good point. I totally. I totally agree.
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D
All right.
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C
And a lot of this really weird. It's ugly had during the Obama era, right? Which is. That's weaponized all this. Because he weaponized all this. It was. It laid pretty vacant for many, many years. And the radical left starting the Obama era, which is what Charlie grew out of during the Chicago shadow of the Obama era, is where this started. That's actually the most interesting part about the entire story of Charlie Kirk and the heroism of Charlie Kirk is that he came out of the shadow of the Obama era, where all of these problems came from. And that's the bridge. The bridge is Chicago boy. Charlie Kirk was the only person lot of time standing up and using his platform to fight these battles that were basically triggered during the Obama era.
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So we need. We need. All of this flows into all.
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D
The final. The final boss.
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The coup de grace.
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D
The final boss is we are at the mountaintop. So this is the big controversial thing. Charlie said controversial things about Martin Luther King Jr. This was brought up by a lot of people in the wake of his demise. And, you know, obviously, Charlie and the Reverend King have a grim thing in common now, and we should acknowledge that. And neither.
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A
Neither of them deserved.
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D
Exactly. Neither. Neither of them deserved it. And so I want. I want to preface to this with that. But we're going to continue to hear these criticisms, so we're going to confront them. All of this kind of goes back to a segment of our show, a couple shows we did in early 2024. MLK Day was coming up, and the first thing that's kind of funny about it is it's like an accident. All it was was at the end of one of our day's shows, Charlie basically teased. He's like, I'm gonna have, you know, Blake write up a little short thing on, you know, Martin Luther King, because it's not. He's not everything you've heard said about him. And we're gonna do it.
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So.
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And it got noticed.
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It's one step back, because he said something at Amfest. He got asked a question about MLK at Amfest, which would have been like, December 2023. And he said. I think he tried to add nuance later to it, but he just said he's not a good guy. And so then a reporter called me and said, we heard some rumor that you guys are gonna be doing a MLK show. Not true. I don't know where this reporter got it, but then I forwarded it to Charlie. Was that Wired?
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D
Was that wired?
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It might have been.
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D
It might have been. We haven't react to this.
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Let's do clip188.
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D
It was literally just you said, you know, MLK days coming up and you know, we were gonna do a show that day. So he's just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff people don't know about mlk. I'll have Blake go look something up. And then someone at Wired, I guess.
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E
Saw it and they usually cover like bitcoin.
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Blake.
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D
That's the, that's the bad guy you have on your staff. And then they send us that irate email and it's like, well, we can't back down now. Now we gotta go.
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Yeah.
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E
And I'm. The way I'm wired, is that the more opposition I get from. I kind of then want to lean in. And it was so how dare you? Or we're going to punish you or we're going to hurt you. It was very almost quasi threatening in the way that they were communicating.
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D
Yeah. And it gets it. Exactly what you said at the top of the hour, that he is the most sacred figure of the 20th century. And that was the context we gave to it, which was there was a poll at that time, you know, approval rating of different figures. And MLK was the highest, 96% approval. Higher than Jesus of Nazareth. So I'm okay with that.
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A
More popular than Jesus. So the fact that the Civil Rights act was more revered than the Constitution, the fact that Juneteenth was more revered than July 4th by some. Not really. I don't think that's quite as true. But by some, or at least it was competing with July 4th and the fact that MLK was more revered than Jesus Christ, these things fundamentally aided his cry and he wanted to confront them.
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D
Yeah, it was like MLK is basically America's national saint figure. There is, I think some theological assembly of mainline Protestants propose that his words be considered divinely inspired, like scripture. There's. There's a lot of over the top stuff. And so that's what he wanted to confront. It wasn't even. It wasn't. MLK is bad.
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A
It is.
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D
MLK is flawed.
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A
Let me tell you what Charlie said to me in private. And he might have said this publicly, too. But Charlie said, listen, I think the country had gotten to a point where. Where somebody like MLK was needed, and I am happy to acknowledge that that needed to be mlk. And he did some good things. He said some good things. He also got more radical towards his death. He got. He got more connected with communists and, you know, there was a financing network that was propping him up. And he also, you know, for being a reverend, you know, this is just the truth, right. That he had a lot of mistresses and was, you know, I'll never forget. I was with Charlie.
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B
Well, he was. When he said Charlie's a bad. Charlie said he's a bad person. He was talking about he's not a good Christian.
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A
Cheated on his wife all the time.
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B
He was talking about he's not.
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A
There's like, he had a different marriage.
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B
Was that he was not Christian.
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A
He had a different woman in basically every town that he would call. And the FBI tracked this, which, you know, we can get into his rights to.
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D
That's what the FBI infamously wrote him a letter kind of suggesting he should.
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B
Right.
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A
Yeah. Listen, I'm not saying that MLK didn't do some really important or at least contribute to some really important changes and good things. And his peaceful protests were largely really important and good. It could have been led by somebody who didn't believe in peaceful protests. It's true also that they intentionally would goad certain police departments and things like that. There's. It's a lot of nuances, all I'm saying. But Charlie privately said we probably needed him in that. In that time, but to completely sanctify and not deal with the truth, the whole truth of who Martin Luther King was and what he actually did and some of his flaws would be unfair to America. And to treat a lie and to canonize a lie can be problematic. Right. So every country has its myths, its founding myths. And if we're talking about the second founding of America, you. You have to be careful about the myths that you put forward. And Charlie, man, I. I remember he. That was where he said, like, you know, this is a. This is a golden calf you are not allowed to go after. And the way Charlie was wired is he. He. He wanted to go in on it and. And really expose it. Would you agree, Blake?
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D
Yeah. We have a couple more clips we'll have to play, but it's very much like Charlie cared a lot about the truth, so he wasn't going to, like, sacralize somebody if he knew something about it. Was more complex than that.
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A
Well, I'll say this. I was with Charlie in a black pastor, and we talked about this issue, and the black pastor was saying, I'm gonna. I'm gonna help you, but you gotta understand. And he's like, well, am I wrong about the philandering? He's like, oh, well, mlk, he did. He did like that. And he did a lot of that, and we know it, but we just don't like to talk about it.
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D
Okay, all right. So we have a pair of clips here that I think is good to push together. And one of the first things. So what happened is since that Wired guy called, we kind of did two hours on him. The first thing we did, we talked with a. I can't remember who it was.
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A
Vince.
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D
So we talked to him for about an hour, and then he basically had me on is like, all right, Blake, tell us what you have. But I think it's noteworthy. One of the first things he asked, lay out, what are the unimpeachably good things about MLK's life? Before we criticize him, let's remind why he became so revered. And he asked me that. Let's play 189.
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E
What are the good things in MLK's life?
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D
Obviously, Jim Crow as it existed in the south still in the 50s and early 60s in terms of restrictions on voting, segregated buses, segregated public spaces. That was all bad. That was all evil. And it was good that MLK campaigned against it. MLK himself was a nonviolent person who always promoted nonviolence. He rejected. He enraged a lot of people on his own side who wanted to be more like violent revolutionaries with the I have a Dream speech. That's good.
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E
Which he didn't write, but he did.
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D
For sure did say he delivered it. And he gives other speeches as well that are looking towards a, you know, a colorblind world. He does in his Poor People's campaign, which is his last big campaign before his assassination. Yeah, it goes on a bit there. Yeah. That he. In the Poor People's campaign, he's saying he cares about. He explicitly says white poor people are victims as well as black poor people. I'm not going to just racialize it. And I also love to point out his speech at the. When Rosa Parks gets arrested, the Montgomery bus boycott. That's, in my opinion, actually his best speech, where he just tees up, where he's just like, you know, if what we're doing here is wrong, then the Constitution of the United States is wrong. If what we are doing is wrong. Jesus of Nazareth was just a utopian dreamer whose life was irrelevant if we are wrong. God Almighty.
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B
Well, if he's gonna say. And his most famous speech, of course, his most famous line is about judging people by the content of their character and not by their race. And I think that's something that everyone agrees with. And part of the issues.
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A
Everybody.
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B
Everyone here. Yeah, obviously everyone here that we agree with. Is that to your point, I was going to say these policies that we've been critiquing fall short of that standard. Thousand percent fall short of that. And that's what gets you the. To the point where there's an entire industry built around DEI that. That exists to uphold those false standards. And so if the standard is going to be. Which we can all agree on. Right. We're going to agree on this colorblind society. Judge people by the content of their character. Okay. That means one standard for everyone in everything.
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A
You know, it's crazy too. Is that two thoughts? Not everybody likes that quote from MLK because conservatives grab it and they think it's like a whitewashing or because he was very radically progressive towards his death. MLK was.
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D
Yeah, we have.
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A
Well, and he. And they don't like us.
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B
You said say something nice.
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A
No, I know, but they don't like us cherry picking that clip because they're like, he was way more progressive than that.
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B
I know he was.
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A
And, and so, so people, some people don't agree and they hate that we, we latch onto that clip. And then, you know, it's also fascinating is so Martin Luther King has what, like a 99% of ratings, 96% approval rating at the time of his death, 75% of the public disapproved of MLK.
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B
That's correct.
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75%. I just googled it. It's right here. So it's just fascinating too how those things move and change over time. But one of the reasons it's become that way is that they sealed the records on his death. His family locked down that estate and he, you know, we weren't able to discover some of the not so good stuff. Right. And again, I grew up, you know, believing MLK was, you know, one of our American saints. I really do. Yeah, totally.
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C
And that's how they.
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And I still feel a genuine gratitude for, like you said, Jim Crow and fighting some of this stuff towards him. But I also love knowing all the truth. I love, I love knowing that he had issues, that he was a flawed man, that he wasn't some, you know, second coming. Of Jesus. That's important. That's important to know.
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D
So, okay, so I guess since we're wrapping up the MLK thing, we should probably get the actual. As we mentioned, he was getting more radical near the end of his life. Why would he have such a high disapproval rating before he died? I get into that. Let's play clip 190, the Detroit riots in, I believe, summer of 67, 43 people die in that. That's more than died all throughout any of the riots, you know, in actual rioting stuff, as opposed to just murders, because it was mayhem and such. Dozens of people die there. Dozens of people die in Newark. You have thousands of buildings getting burned down all over the country. And his reaction to it is sort of. It's interesting a few months before is when he delivers the line, a riot is the language of the unheard. Which we heard over and over again in 2020 when the Newark riots happen.
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A
It goes for like a week.
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D
It goes for about a week. And his advisor, the communist guy who was with the Communist Party usa, he's telling King, you've got to say something to condemn this. And King says he doesn't want to do it because he says, I don't want to deliver a condemnation without also condemning the causes that lead to riots.
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E
That sounds like blm.
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Ooh, yeah.
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D
And he even quotes. In a speech, he quotes Alexander Dumas. I think that it's like, with. There are acts of darkness, like, we have to blame who created the darkness. And so he says, there's all these crimes, but the greater crime is that created, like, by the white society. He says, the white society created it. And that's a whole speech.
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A
Final line from Charlie in that clip. I don't know why. It gave me the chills. He's like, that sounds like blm, because it does. And, you know, I'm reminded, like, AOC was saying this during Florida Palooza and all this stuff that, you know, rioting is the cry of oppressed people. Right. And listen, I would. By the way, that is so relevant to what we've seen after what happened to Charlie, because we didn't riot. We didn't burn.
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B
Although Charlie was certainly oppressed.
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A
He was. And he was the voice of a group that has been increasingly villainized. And, you know, it's. He really was their champion and all of our champion. And so that's. You know, but he was everybody's champion. He believed in freedom for all people. He believed in freedom for every race, every American. And he wanted a restoration of the founding Ideals because he saw very clearly that the racializing and the grievance politics led to massive division, strife, sectarianism, and he hated it. He didn't want a Juneteenth. He wanted Everybody to love July 4th.
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C
Well, the heart of Charlie Kirk. From the very beginning, since the day I met Charlie, who was, again, extraordinarily young man, the bondage of bad policy was always at the core of Charlie's message, which was that. And that was from the very beginning when we talked about, you know, very often the government spying on you and being in the middle of your business and all the way to, you know, these very intricate topics of, like, we're talking about the Civil Rights act and what the repercussions of it all were. There is. There is a. A tying of hands that happens to the American populace, particularly when bad people take advantage of it. And Charlie talked about that from day one to his last dying breath on this earth. And that's what you have to respect about Charlie Kirk, is that he was always consistent.
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A
Well, folks, if we missed anything in this episode, please send us your emails@freedom charliekirk.com Freedom charliekirk.com youm know, I just realized that was the shirt.
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C
We're gonna be continuing tonight on Thought Crime.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Are we sure we want to go for that?
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C
We're gonna go for that.
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D
All right. All right.
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C
We have a lot of topics that people are messaging me about and going, what other things? When are you gonna get into the other things? And that's gonna be tonight, live on Thought.
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D
Yes. You know, before we go out, I just want to kind of close by reminding people, you know, the stuff that gets passed around in the end, what. Some people are just getting bamboozled. But a lot of people are taking this. They know they're taking it out of context. They know they're misinterpreting it. They are deliberately avoiding.
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B
Are you saying Barack Obama would not be telling the truth about this?
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D
And they're doing this. They're doing this because they want an excuse. They want an excuse to do what they already want to do, which is to justify what happened to Charlie or to celebrate what happened to Charlie. And so as soon as it happened, instead of being horrified, their thought was, I need to go immediately, find a reason why Undermine. It's a good thing.
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A
Yeah. And undermine his legacy. And that's not going to happen. And we're not going to let it, because the truth will set you free. And guess what the truth is? The truth is that Charlie was one of the greatest men I've ever known, if not the greatest. He was fundamentally good, decent, true, loyal, generous and kind. And he was kind to everybody he ever interacted with. And that's just the fact. Unless you came at him in bad faith, he was kind and patient with you in debates even. And so that's the truth. He was a good Christian man who loved his wife and loved his kids and set a very high bar of behavior and standards for the rest of us. And these are lies. And I hope this was edifying for you all. It was certainly fun for me. Thanks, guys, for joining me.
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B
Sam.
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It.