Democrats Lose the Politics of Riots

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – "Democrats Lose the Politics of Riots" Release Date: June 12, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk engages with guests Alex Marlowe and Mark Halperin to dissect the recent wave of riots in Los Angeles and Atlanta, the political repercussions for the Democratic Party, and broader issues surrounding immigration and law enforcement. The discussion delves into the underlying causes of civil unrest, the Democrats' handling of these events, and the implications for future political landscapes.

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1. The State of Los Angeles: A Decades-Long Decline

Timestamp: [00:00] – [02:20]

Charlie Kirk opens the discussion by highlighting the severity of the riots and their impact on Los Angeles. Alex Marlowe provides a firsthand account of the city's deterioration, attributing it to decades of Democratic policies that have prioritized illegal immigration over law and order.

Notable Quote:

Alex Marlowe [02:20]: "The invasion of Los Angeles happened decades ago... It destroyed our schools, overwhelmed our healthcare system, and Balkanized us to the point where we have no real culture."

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2. The Impact of Illegal Immigration on Public Systems

Timestamp: [02:20] – [07:23]

Marlowe elaborates on how illegal immigration has strained Los Angeles' public services. He cites increased costs in education and healthcare, highlighting inefficiencies caused by language barriers and the need for additional administrative support. The discussion emphasizes the taxpayer burden resulting from the influx of undocumented individuals.

Notable Quotes:

Alex Marlowe [04:00]: "Public schools in LA are more expensive than private schools per pupil because of the additional resources required to support non-English speaking students."

Alex Marlowe [06:30]: "If you're an illegal alien and you showed up at her county hospital in LA, they don't turn you away. Who is paying for that, Charlie? I'm paying for it. The taxpayers are paying for it."

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3. Cultural Fragmentation and Loss of Community Cohesion

Timestamp: [07:23] – [12:31]

The conversation shifts to the cultural implications of unchecked immigration. Marlowe describes how Los Angeles, once a global cultural hub, has become segregated into enclaves, eroding the traditional American melting pot. This fragmentation is portrayed as antithetical to American unity and identity.

Notable Quote:

Alex Marlowe [08:23]: "LA used to be the cultural hub of the world, we're totally Balkanized now. That's not America. That's like a prison tray where everything's sectioned off."

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4. Democrats' Response to the Riots and Law Enforcement

Timestamp: [12:31] – [22:59]

Mark Halperin analyzes the Democratic Party's internal divisions in responding to the riots. He identifies two factions: one reacting with Trump derangement syndrome, focusing on Donald Trump's policies as the source of chaos, and a more thoughtful group contemplating strategic responses to loss of support from factions like Silicon Valley.

Charlie Kirk emphasizes the Democrats' reluctance to denounce violence unequivocally, leading to public confusion and diminished support.

Notable Quotes:

Mark Halperin [19:12]: "The larger group is wedded to the past... They just want to talk about Donald Trump having a secret plan to declare a military junta."

Charlie Kirk [21:56]: "The people see it this weekend... if you're against us, you're on the side of the rioters."

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5. The Role of Media and Public Perception

Timestamp: [05:58] – [09:21]

Kirk and Marlowe critique how the media portrays the riots, suggesting a biased narrative that downplays the violence and destruction caused by protesters. They argue that media outlets are framing the unrest as mostly peaceful to align with Democratic agendas, thereby gaslighting the public about the true nature of the events.

Notable Quote:

Charlie Kirk [08:23]: "We have not seen this sort of stunning aesthetic as a gut punch to the Democrat party since Floydapalooza."

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6. Law and Order vs. Humanitarian Concerns

Timestamp: [09:21] – [17:55]

The discussion contrasts the need for strict law enforcement against the humanitarian impulses to assist undocumented immigrants. Marlowe shares personal anecdotes underscoring the strain on community resources and the necessity of deportations to maintain public safety and economic stability.

Notable Quotes:

Charlie Kirk [14:06]: "You can have welfare and closed borders or open borders and no welfare. You cannot have both."

Alex Marlowe [16:27]: "How many American families should have their lives ruined by illegally alien criminals? The number is zero, Charlie."

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7. The Big Beautiful Bill and Political Strategy

Timestamp: [19:05] – [35:53]

Mark Halperin transitions the conversation to the "Big Beautiful Bill," a significant legislative package facing hurdles in the Senate and House. He explains the internal negotiations among Republicans, highlighting the challenges posed by fiscal hawks and the need for deficit reduction through either economic growth or cuts to programs like Social Security and Medicare.

Charlie Kirk shares his prediction about a potential reconciliation between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, suggesting that their alliance could influence the bill's progression.

Notable Quotes:

Mark Halperin [33:28]: "If you don't deal with Social Security and Medicare in a fundamental way, you're not going to do serious deficit reduction."

Charlie Kirk [35:53]: "I think the fiscal hawks are gonna come to the table and we’re gonna have some sort of an agreement."

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8. Future Political Implications and Party Dynamics

Timestamp: [35:53] – [38:03]

The episode concludes with reflections on the Democratic Party's long-term viability. Halperin warns that the party's inability to address core issues like immigration and law enforcement could lead to prolonged minority status in politics. Kirk echoes this sentiment, stressing the importance of assimilation and cultural unity for the nation's future.

Notable Quotes:

Alex Marlowe [17:20]: "Legal immigrants are moving to Trump faster than any other group. They hate this stuff."

Charlie Kirk [37:34]: "If the left does not change its appearance quickly on trans stuff, immigration, and crime, that'll be a tough mountain to climb."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Charlie Kirk, along with Alex Marlowe and Mark Halperin, critically examines the recent riots in major U.S. cities, attributing them to longstanding Democratic policies on immigration and governance. The discussion highlights the internal struggles within the Democratic Party, the portrayal of events by the media, and the broader implications for American society and future political dynamics. The guests advocate for stricter law enforcement, closed borders, and cultural assimilation as solutions to restore order and unity.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey everybody. Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Alex Marlowe and Mark Halperin join us to discuss the riots, the politics, Elon Trump and big beautiful Bill, two of my favorite guests on this program. Thoughtful analytical analysis. Email us as always, freedom charliekirk.com and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk. com get involved with the most important organization in America, Turning Point [e-mail] that is tpusa.com so check it out today tpusa.com Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Alex Marlow]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Mark Halperin]

I want you to know we are.

[Alex Marlow]

Lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Mark Halperin]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Alex Marlow]

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold [e-mail] that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com One of my favorite guests is here. He's such a smart thinker and a great analytical mind. Alex Marlow. I saw one of his tweets the other day and I said to Andrew, he's like, get him on the show immediately. And I just loved it. Let me read it to you. It's alexmarlo breitbart.com, phenomenal Alex Marlow show. Alex, great to see you. Let me read your tweet, Alex, and I'll let you riff on it. The invasion of Los Angeles happened decades ago. I know. I've lived here most of my life. The Democrats who run this place and the establishment media put illegal alien criminals over law abiding citizens every single time. It destroyed our schools, overwhelmed our health care system and Balkanized us to the point where we have no real culture. We should have stopped it a long time ago. Donald Trump is stopping it now. Get out of his way. Free LA from this madness. Alex. I love it as an Angelino Yourself, please speak about this.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah.

[Alex Marlow]

Thank you, Charlie. This is one of these things where I'm watching all these libs on social media yell at us and these celebrities yell at us like we're monsters if we're intolerant of Trump enforcing the law. This city was ruined decades ago. It was my really education in politics was understanding that my city was getting overrun and it was causing a lot of downstream effects. It wasn't just that people are unpleasant or they're all bad people. No. And it's not about that. It's the effects of illegal immigration. And what dawned on me is when I was an intern for Larry Elder about 20 years ago, and he was going through how expensive it costs to educate people and how actually public schools in LA are more expensive than private schools per pupil. It's just the cost is deferred to taxpayers. Why is that? Because there's so much administration that's necessary. There's so many people who don't speak the language. There's so many things that need to be put into place, not just the bureaucracies and the unions and all that stuff, but to educate people where English is a second language and to put that entirely on the state. And they're coming from homes where the parents don't speak the language. And we don't just tolerate it, Charlie, we embrace it. We love it. That's just the school system. So that's why a public school student costs more than a typical Catholic school student in the LA area. And the schools are not usable. Our test scores keep going down. They're more dangerous places to be. They're completely unpleasant parts of life here. That's just one example. But health care is another massive one. My wife worked at a community hospital serving a largely Hispanic population. And they don't ask you for your papers when you go in to get a service. And if you need something like, let's say, a bone marrow transplant, it costs $700,000. And if you're an illegal alien and you showed up at her county hospital in L. A that she worked at, they don't turn you away. Who is paying for that, Charlie? I'm paying for it. The taxpayers are paying for it. And so how can you run a city like this? You could never do it. And yet we just accepted it, that this is what we're going to have in the city. Illegal alien is going to make everything expensive. There's going to be more crime. And my point about the culture is very big. LA used to be the cultural hub of the World, we're totally Balkanized now. There is areas where certain groups people go, and areas where other groups people go, and they don't always cross over. That is bizarre. That's not America. That's not a melting pot. That's like the prison tray where you get your meals on, where everything's sectioned off. You don't run a city that way. And that's been our life here for decades. And Donald Trump, Stephen Miller, and Tom Homan and Kristi Noem are saying, why? Why, Charlie? Why are we doing this? We're not doing it anymore.

[Charlie Kirk]

Honestly. You know, my whole life I've heard people complain about Traffic on the 405. Mass deportations will help solve that. And I mean, it's like. Well, I'm being honest. I mean, you can't bring in millions of people and act as if they have the public infrastructure for it. And look, as a nation, we have a big heart. I think that if someone's in this country and they need immediate health care, yeah, you save their life. But you cannot simultaneously have domestic generosity with unruly invasion. They are a contradiction. So then all of a sudden, your generosity is taken advantage of, and we are naively then subsidizing our own demise. And this is a very, very important point, is that, okay, good intentions. Everyone has good intentions. They mean nothing. They don't translate to good public policy. And in Los Angeles, it is a cluttered city. And again, the media is going to take this out of context. I don't care. It's a dirty city. I'm not saying it's all because of immigrants. It's just dirty. Graffiti is everywhere. There's trash on the streets. There's homeless everywhere. It's a filthy place. And it never used to be that way. Right, Alex?

[Alex Marlow]

It doesn't need to be this way. You're exactly right. And it's become a filthy place. I've got a video at the top of my Instagram page where I go down into the La Brea Tar pitch, which is supposed to be a family place to go. There's a national history museum. You learn about history. It just covered. It's a homeless encampment now, basically. Like, why is that something we want? Why is that something that's a given? That's a guarantee. I was just noticing a mural of Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gigi, who died in the helicopter crash, defaced by these protesters, essentially protesting against ice. Why is that helping your cause? The city's become a lawless place, and this is the Fundamental thing, Charlie, Democrats do not view law and order as a value. They don't like it. They don't think that they want chaos. And so law and order is a, is an antidote to chaos. So they don't like that. So they don't like the concept of we can set a law and we can enforce it. They would rather have things be enforceable based off of their will and their political impetus at the time. And so this has been toxic in this city. It is not working. And I'll tell you that my wife, for example, worked as a trainee. So not making a lot of money treating illegal aliens. And she would do, with a smile on her face, give them the best care she possibly could. And why? Because to your point, we are humanitarian. I don't want illegally alien kids running around. They're probably better off in the schools, as expensive as it is. What are they supposed to do? Like run around the neighborhoods all day? That doesn't make any sense. We're going to be humanitarian if you're here, so why leave the border open? And why not crack down on the people who we know are illegal and should leave?

[Charlie Kirk]

You can have welfare and closed borders or open borders and no welfare. You cannot have both. They cannot coexist. The entire system collapses. It falls apart. And just let's kind of go deeper into the whole California thing, which is, I mean, the image. Can we just re. Show the images, guys? We cannot show it enough. And a lot of normal non political people in my life are shocked and horrified by this, Alex. And it's not that we're horrified necessarily by the sight of a Mexican flag. My favorite taco place in downtown Phoenix, which is like, they're all Mexican. Mexican. Like no, no, no. It's when it's the symbol while you are doing destruction that is obviously a defiance that we have more loyalty to this nation than the one that we're currently domiciled in. Over the smoke and over the ashes. Alex, we have not seen this sort of, let's just say, stunning aesthetic as a gut punch to the Democrat party since Floydapalooza. Am I right?

[Alex Marlow]

No. And it's amazing how quickly they went for it because they're trying to do this narrative, the gaslighting from Maxine Waters and some people in the media, that this is mostly peaceful. It wasn't peaceful for a second. They immediately said, where's the first electric car? Let's torch it. I mean, they didn't wait five minutes. And with the Mexican flags out there is, I gotta say, I Listen to a lot of Spanish music. And I listen to. It's the Mexican food's my favorite type of food. If I'm ever relaxing, which is very rare, it's probably gonna be a tequila or a mezcal. That's in my Gl. I'm fine with Mexican culture. That's not what this is. This is even Mexican culture. This is a invasion of our cities and are trying to torch things and destroy things. It's all the destructiveness of it all and the entitlement of it all that you're allowed to be here even though you broke our rules. And that is something that is national Democrats are looking in horror right now. This is what the sources are telling me right now. And I've spoken to a lot of them in the last couple days. They're horrified about what's going on.

[Charlie Kirk]

LA Democrats, big, big, big, big, big, big, big.

[Alex Marlow]

LA Democrats like it, though. Charlie. Yeah, go ahead.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm telling you right now, the non political. I was telling this to, you know, look, I'm gonna just say this. I've said it before. Please, non political person, just, you know, muscular class, she helps us out, whatever. Great person, non political, voted for Trump. But like out of nowhere she's like, these riots, this is what Democrats do. She's like all. I feel like every couple summers they try to burn down our cities. This is now becoming a meta narrative. It is being tattooed into the consciousness of the American people, which is that non political people, because, look, if it burns, it goes to the front lines and people look at it. And can we just show that one B roll, guys, of the one after the other, the cars burning just in flames. And by the way, just so we're clear, if you're burning an electric car, do you understand the pollution that you are putting into that community? I mean, yes, burning a car is bad. The cobalt that you. I mean, just that alone is like really bad. Okay, and these are the environmentalists, right? These are the green people that think the way that you effectuate change is the smell of cobalt in the morning. And so the. And by the way, the seats, the seats are like. The seats of these cars have really, really bad pollution. Anyway, that's a whole other separate. Of course they cared about that. But the more important component is the Democrats. They seem completely incapable or unwilling to try to rein this in. And to me, I just kind of shrug my shoulders. We should not let LA burn, though. Some people on the right say, oh, let LA burn. No, no, no, this is America. That is national Guard force must be met with force. 1807 Insurrection Act. We must defend our country. This is our land. It's not mazito. This is not la raza. This is not some sort of Mexican project. This is America. And we will defend it. Ever feel like your body's stress switch is permanently stuck in the on position? Like you can't shut off your mind at night? That was me until I discovered what was really happening. It wasn't just stress, it was magnesium deficiency. And not just any magnesium, but all seven types our bodies need. That's when I discovered Magnesium Breakthrough from bioptimizers. This changed everything for me. Within days of taking it, I noticed I was falling asleep faster, waking up refreshed and handling daily stress so much better. What makes this different? Well, most supplements contain only two types of magnesium. And Magnesium Breakthrough delivers all seven forms your body needs in one capsule to balance your stress response and support your sleep quality. The results speak for themselves. Over 1,500 five star reviews from people who've reclaimed their calm, their sleep and their energy. Right now. You can save 10% when you go to magbreakthrough.com kirk10 they'll even offer a full 365 day guarantee. There's zero risk to try it. Don't just manage stress, break through it with Magnesium breakthrough. Again, that's magbreakthrough.com kirk10 and if you subscribe, not only will you get amazing discounts and free gifts, you'll make sure your monthly support is guaranteed. Alex, you had a thought? Please chime in.

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah, Charlie, I think your point, here's the point that you were set up, which I think is really crucial. What is this all about in California? The main thing that's happening right now in this state is that there is a referendum on 30 years of governance or more, where the entire fabric of the Democrat party, even the Republican establishment. You saw Rick Caruso out there who was pretty heroic in his response to the LA fires out here. But he's someone who had his businesses at stake and they almost went up in flames. Claims because the LA fires, the incompetence of the governance. But now all of a sudden he's a big wimp when it comes to standing up for the people against the illegally.

[Charlie Kirk]

I bet he regrets that tweet. I bet he does. Big time.

[Alex Marlow]

Unbelievably bad tweet. Second worst tweet of the weekend behind the Simone Biles tweet, which is still worse somehow. But it's the but here's what's going on is it's a referendum on 30 years of governance for Gavin Newsom to admit Trump's right, for Karen Bass to admit Trump's right, and we're actually going to help him. That is saying that everything I've stood for, which has been the fundamental issue in California, is we believe in open borders. That is the society that they've crafted. Yes. Is it that this is wrong and they can't do that. Gavin Newsom can't run for President now after 30 years in politics, all of a sudden saying, yeah, you know what we like ICE enforcement is that he cannot do that. It's never going to happen. So he has to act like Trump is wrong, Miller's wrong, Homan's wrong, and he's going to stand. On behalf of the rioters. Trump has set another trap. This is the proverbial 973 issue, and we don't know who the 3 is. Apparently the 3 is, I guess, the guys who are out there protesting, but they are completely stuck because they cannot help Trump here because it goes against everything they've stood for to this point, totally.

[Charlie Kirk]

They are held captive by this ideology. And Alex, the fear that many of us had is, hey, once these deportations happen, you know, we're gonna lose public support. Turns out, not the case. We're going up in approval. Americans support it. And these riots only pour gasoline, ha ha. On the fire of us getting even more approval. Cuz now, if you're against us, you're on the side of the rioters. If you're against us, you're on the side of the people flying Mexican flags in our face while they're trying to kill police officers. Let me repeat that. This was not just like, oh, you know, they're just burning cars for the ticket, which is bad. Let me be very clear. Burning private property is bad. It's criminal. It is against the Ten Commandments. You shall not do it. It is stealing somebody else's property. It should not be tolerated. But they'll say, oh, it's just stuff. No, no, no. They were trying to kill police officers. Okay? This guy just got indicted for throwing a brick at a police officer's car while it was driving. This is violence against their livelihood. Alex.

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah. I got a report from Department of Homeland Security this morning. Molotov cocktails hurled at officers during the riots. This is just. We're gonna go around and act like these people are peaceful. There's not a peaceful bone in any of these protesters bodies. And we're gonna see this over the weekend, in all likelihood, we're gonna see violence break out. They cannot control themselves. They love to riot. They love violence, they love the chaos. And they think that they can just bully us into silence like they did in 2020. It's not happening this time.

[Charlie Kirk]

The people see it this weekend. They have this thing called the no Kings protest, which is funded by Walmart and the Walton, at least one of the Walton heirs, Christy Walton. And they say it's gonna be all peaceful. They can't help themselves, though. And I've intentionally not talked about the no Kings thing. Cause I don't wanna make it bigger than that. But everyone's emailing us about us. Okay, it's fine. It's already out.

[Alex Marlow]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's gonna be everywhere. And I hope everyone remains peaceful. You have the opportunity to be totally wrong and to go against Trump. I don't think it's in their DNA. I don't think it's in their DNA to be able to stay peaceful. And also, we already seen last night in Atlanta, they were burning cop cars or attempting to. They were launching fireworks at police helicopters. And so all of this, the politics of this is super perplexing. Alex. I wish I could keep it for a full hour, but, you know, we have Mark Halperin next. Just really quick, Alex, I want you to comment. We were told when you and I were getting our start 10 years ago, you must be for amnesty or we're gonna lose the country. Yes. How much things have changed? Final thoughts, Alex Marlowe.

[Alex Marlow]

Completely different. And it's just amazing. And any of you who are gonna get confronted by friends saying that we're demonizing illegal aliens, I will tell you, the people who just wanna sell mangoes on the side of the road, they wanna stay in the shadows. They don't want any of this stuff. And ask them how many families, American families, should have their lives ruined by illegally alien criminals, drunk drivers, Fentanyl that comes over our border, murders that go on, rapes that go on. How many families, American families should have their lives ruined by illegally alien crime? If that answer is above zero, you and I have nothing to talk about. The number is zero, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

And here's the thing. A lot of Hispanics that are gonna get deported or their family will be deported, you know who they're gonna blame? They're gonna blame the rioters because it now justifies an equal and opposite reaction. It justifies force. And so the people that then get deported, they'll be like those stupid morons that started burning cars, you know, of course they're gonna respond and they being the US Government, and we will. Final thoughts, Alex?

[Alex Marlow]

Yeah. Legal immigrants are moving to Trump faster than any other group. They hate this stuff. I will tell you. They despise it.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you fail to assimilate to our culture, then you will no longer have a country. Multiculturalism has been a failure. Uniculturalism is actually what the founders wanted. E Pluribus unum. As Andrew Breitbart would say all the time. He would say he educated America on E pluribus unum with Dennis Prager and Andrew Breitbart. E Pluribus unum. Out of many one, you could keep your traditions and you could keep your food, but you're coming here to assimilate to our culture. Alex, thanks so much.

[Alex Marlow]

Beautifully put. Thanks, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Mark Halperin]

Delighted to be here and you've inspired me. I need to get a name for my studio. I need some maybe the Frito Lays.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. You gotta come on Wendy's. You gotta name it. You gotta name the studio. You gotta name every. If it's not moving, you gotta label it or brand it. So Mark, there's a question I'VE been meaning to ask you, which is how from the outside are Democrats, how were they viewing the Elon Trump situation last week? And then how is it settling in their mind today? At least from my outsider perspective, it seemed as if there was some sort of like joy and delight in the kind of schism. But it looks as if that is being healed from the Democrats that you talk to. Walk us through the inside chatter that they're having, Mark.

[Mark Halperin]

So I think there are two groups of Democrats who I've talked to about this. That's how I'd break them down. And the larger group tends to respond to things, always leading with Trump derangement syndrome. And so for them, anything that's chaos with Donald Trump's world or anything that suggests a negative storyline that the press is gonna cover, they like, they just kind of have a visceral reaction to it. So they're just happy to see Donald Trump in conflict and they always want to then plug that into their sustaining now decade long narrative of he's the chaos candidate, he's the chaos president. All this is going to come a cropper because he doesn't have any idea what he's doing and he's so mercurial. There's a smaller, more thoughtful group that recognizes that the party has a problem from a practical point of view on fundraising and a relationship to the future with Silicon Valley, because the Silicon Valley wing of America used to be much more aligned with the Democrats ideologically, practically, in terms of helping with campaigns, et cetera. And that's shifted now. Now it's not 100% shift, and Elon, but Elon is just one of many, many of whom you know well, who now think of themselves as being part of Team Trump and more Republican, more conservative. And that group of Democrats says, well, is this an opening either explicitly with Elon, which I doubt it will be, or more generally, can we use this as an opportunity to say where the disagreements are? For instance, Elon seems very concerned all of a sudden. Some Trump people would tell you about deficit reduction. Maybe this is an opportunity for the Democrats to glom onto that and become the deficit reduction party. I don't know that that second group, more thoughtful group, has made any headway. And if there is a rapprochement with the president, Elon Musk, of course I will undermine those efforts. But that is the smaller group, but it's at least a group that's thinking straight.

[Charlie Kirk]

I made a prediction the day that all this happened and I was mocked. I said before Christmas, Elon Musk will be at Mar a Lago with two scoops of ice cream next to President Donald Trump on the patio, and all will be right in the world. And people said, no way. I said, I think I know these two guys. I said, and even a week from now, it's gonna be a little bit simmered down. And looks like that prediction might be right. We'll see what happens. It might be as early as July 4th in Bedminster. We'll see.

[Mark Halperin]

I'll just say, I think Elon's gonna have to pony up some cash for the midterms in order to. To make this fully right, which you might have done anyway. I'll just say I thought they'd stay together longer and there's really nothing in it for Elon Musk to be at war with the President. There's lots of negatives to it, but there's nothing positive about it. And so I think you're right that this is kind of some sort of rapprochement was inexorable. And Donald Trump, contrary to what people think about him, is the ultimate forgiver. He just. He just is happy to move on if he thinks it's in his interest, and it's in his interest to have rapprochement as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

So now back to the. Not back to. But now to the main news that's been dominating the last couple of days, which is the riots that started in Los Angeles and there was some unrest in Atlanta and it's been spreading to other cities. What are Democrats saying about this? Internally, externally, some are still calling it peaceful protests. And in fact, LA was so peaceful that Karen Bass had to do a curfew. It's amazing. She had to contain the peacefulness by issuing a curfew. Now, to Senator John Fetterman's credit, he said, look, this is not peaceful. This is a riot. What are we doing here? This is violent. Explain to me, cuz, is that a little bit of a divide in the Democrat Party, like one that's living in reality and one that's living in fantasy land? Please, Mark.

[Mark Halperin]

It is. It's another divide where the larger group is the group that's wedded to the past. There's some important issues here. I don't think anyone should be cavalier about putting National Guard or active duty military on the streets of the United States. Whatever they're going to be doing, that should be done with thoughtfulness and care and fidelity to the law and the Constitution. And I think the debate about what to do with the tens of millions or maybe millions. Well, it's hard to say, but certainly millions of people who came to this country illegally and since then as far as we know, have committed no crimes and have contributed to society and are woven into the fabric of a lot of communities. Those are two really important debates to have. But Democrats can't move to those debates for two reasons. One is their positions on those two issues are for the most part out of the mainstream. And confronting that is something they don't want to do. And second, again, back to Trump derangement syndrome. They just want to talk about Donald Trump having a secret plan to declare a military junta in the United States and have active duty military shooting civilians all over the country. Most Democrats now look at Gavin Newsom with new enthusiasm and excitement. Cuz they just want there to be a big fight between the resistance and the President. That's where most Democrats are. Some like John Fetterman and he's not the only one. David Ignatius, communist in the Washington Post today said quite plainly this is a 10 year failure on the part of the Democrats. Like we can't be in the debate about use of the military. We can't be in the debate about who should be deported. And if the Democratic Party doesn't have a clear point of view about some of these issues where they are on the wrong side of things, that position is smaller than the Trump derangement syndrome. One, and it's not dominant. They can barely get the words out of their mouth to say there's no problem or there is a problem. And you point out that the strangeness of the mayor saying everything's fine but we need a curfew. The reality is there's a lot of issues here. This is quite simple to me. Federal law enforcement was doing something that was a campaign promise to the President but also is under the law. And state and local officials could not protect either them or civic order and private property. Pretty basic. The President of the United States is responsible for protecting ICE officers. The President of the United States has got to have to ensure domestic tranquility if state and local officials can't or won't. And there's no local police force in the country with the possible exception of Gotham City, who has the capacity to put in the physical infrastructure to make sure there is order restored and civic unrest deterred and property destruction unmolested. The Democrats just can't talk about these issues because they don't want to come clean with their being on the wrong side of so many of the underlying factors. And until that Happens. My friend John Podortz tweeted this morning that he's watching the Democratic Party lock in their minority status for 20 years because of their failure to just speak the truth about what's going on. That might be a little bit of an overstatement, but it's certainly a minority of Democrats now I talk to who seem to get what's happening.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And so first of all, I agree with everything you said. No one should wanna cavalierly throw the National Guard on the street. My opinion was always, I would rather be on the side of not so being wrong, but a little bit overreacting early than late after 2020 where I feel as if there was widespread destruction. So at least that's my temperament angling in that direction. And I'm willing to hear a counter to that. I will say, though, someone that is non political in my life, just a working class person, she's great. She voted for Trump, but she can go either way. So funny. Ran into her and she's like, Charlie, what is up with these riots? She comes out of nowhere, she says, this is what the Democrats do. Right. I feel like every couple years they just burn down our cities. And for me it was. If this is just a meta narrative, again, she does not know about the big beautiful bill. She doesn't know about, you know, any of this stuff. It's just like the one thing that for her it's pattern recognition. She's like, I feel like every couple years they're just burning stuff down. And I don't like that. And for her, that is just a tattooed impression. More so than Trump impeachments, more so than all the stuff that they're throwing at Donald Trump. You know, he's an insurrect. There's something about chaos in the streets that politically is very unpopular. Who would have ever thought so, Mark. And then connected also to the Democrats back in the 70s. Isn't there a connection to how the Democrats played a little bit of footsie with these guys back in the 60s or 70s and they were not rewarded?

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah. Being the party of weakness and tolerance for violence, it's not a winning place. And we've always had, in the modern era, we've had this. The notion of the Democrats as the mommy party and Republicans as the daddy party. You know, you hear Democrats denouncing the violence and it's the most pro forma thing possible. It's like watching, you know, a third, third ranked local TV anchor read a teleprompter. There's no emotion to it. They just know they have to say, we all decry violence of any sort. Da, da, da. If I were the mayor or the governor of a state with that kind of violence, I wouldn't be saying how limited it is and it's only in a few neighborhoods. I'd be expressing moral indignation and focused determination to put a stop to it. And again, I've said this before, they should be thanking the President. They have. They can say, we have disagreements with the president and he shouldn't be deporting people who sell papaya in the park. And we don't think, you know, we should be cavalier about the use of military. But thank you, Mr. President, for making the National Guard available and for making Marines available so we can restore order to our city. Because our first obligation to our constituents as mayor and governor is to keep people safe and to not allow the wanton destruction of property. And instead of they're claiming the president is trying to impose a military hunt on the whole country. And your friend's point of view about the Democrats, and I think this dovetails with what John Podoritz thinks he's seeing. It's like basic table stakes. You want to be in a discussion about what our national immigration policy should be, you got to denounce people who are destroying property or threatening federal law enforcement. How could we expect people to want to serve in federal law enforcement in complicated and dangerous jobs if we are cavalier about threats to them? I mean, the mayor and the governor should be as outraged as the president about it, and instead they're reserving their outrage for the President.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's just remarkable from just a purely political strategist standpoint, there was just kind of a lot of just annoying right wing infighting last week all across the place. Right. And it's just that the Democrats solved that issue for us. So thank you, guys. I guess. I mean, I hate to see it. I don't like disorder. I don't like seeing arson. But I mean, the right has never been more unified. And it seems as if this might be spreading other cities. Atlanta wasn't nearly as bad as what LA was, but it was certainly bubbling up. And you're right, it is kind of this, like pro forma, like check the box, as if they don't really believe it. And I said this for quite some time that people say, well, you know, do the Democrats stand a chance in 2028? Who knows, maybe, maybe the economy will be terrible or whatever. But I could tell you this, that at least ideologically, if the left does not change its appearance quickly on trans stuff, immigration and crime. I mean, that'll be a tough, tough mountain to climb. And Gavin might be resurrecting his appearance with Democrats, but I could tell you with moderates and people across middle America, he's now being associated with riots in addition to a failed state. TikTok has helped US businesses contribute over $24 billion for the US economy. And we go so viral on TikTok, we get billions and billions of views. You see, that's real money flowing into small businesses like AZ Taco King, who went viral on TikTok and hit $1.3 million in sales in their first year. Now they're hiring more staff to keep up. Or Bluff Cakes, who started as a home baking side hustle and became a national cookie brand. Or the she mechanic, whose business tripled in just one year with help from TikTok. Now she's in a bigger space with a bigger team. TikTok is helping small businesses thrive and that's adding up to more jobs and more growth and over $24 billion flowing into the US economy. Our most viral platform is TikTok and by far. Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the US economy at Tiktokeconomicimpact.com we are winning the next generation at Turning Point USA and on the Charlie Kirk show, large in part thanks to us getting the message out at TikTok. Go to Tiktokeconomicimpact.com we have Mark Halperin here from Two Way TV. So, Mark, big beautiful bill yet. Last week some people were wondering if Elon's salvos against it would kill the bill. Based on everyone I'm talking to, it seems as if there is an agreement that they're gonna figure this out. We had Rand Paul in the program who has a demand to remove the debt ceiling from the bill. I don't think that is going to happen, but he still sounded willing in some ways. What is your reporting showing specifically with the fiscal hawks, the Ron Johns, who are saying no, but you and I both know that they want to get to a yes, right? It's kind of like a workable no, which I love. I think it's great. I think it's admirable. What is your reporting bearing out behind the scenes of how they're working, what concessions we can expect and how that will work with the moderates of the House that might not like everything that's agreed to?

[Mark Halperin]

Right. So first on the Senate, there's very few Republicans even in play to be no votes. And the coverage gives the impression there's all these people up for grabs in the Senate, maybe there's five, and they can lose some of them. So people like Ron Johnson, I'm not sure they'll get Rand Paul in the end, but people like Ron Johnson, if you're a student of Ron Johnson's rhetoric, as you are, and I am, he's clearly warming towards it. They'll give him something that he can say, look, I've worked hard for my constituents in the country and made it better. So I can't guarantee it'll pass the Senate, but it's certainly the base case. It's certainly almost close to 90%. I'd say that it passes the Senate. The House is going to be a little bit more complicated, but particularly now because immigration is so front and center and there's money in this bill for the border. It's going to be, we've seen this presence of both parties do this on the front end of the votes and the committee and then initial vote in the House, they say, well, this isn't final passage. Just give us, give us the ability to go forward. There'll always be a chance to make the bill better. And then what I think is going to happen is they'll make the same argument. They always make it the last phase, which is, well, we've gotten this far. You can't kill the presidency now. This is his whole agenda. It's not a perfect bill. But, but, you know, this is the last step. I could predict with some, some confidence that they'll use that argument. If the bill, when the bill gets back to the House, there's one escape hatch plan that some people are whispering about, which is if that, if that doesn't happen that way, which is they get a majority in the Senate, they pass it, the House comes back, they pressure the House, they get the vote. And in the House, there's not that many people who could possibly vote either under those circumstances. So this is not a whipping operation where they need to round up 30 members. It's very small number possible. I'm told that the Senate can't get it together and realizes that if they do make enough changes to pass the version of the bill, it can't pass the House. There's an escape hatch, which is the Senate passes the House bill and it doesn't have to go back to the House. It's not likely, but it's possible. And it is an escape hatch. It allows the President to get a version of the bill signed into law without having to have to have the House revote.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so the fiscal hawks, I think they're gonna come to the table and I think we're gonna have some sort of an agreement. Are there any primary elements of the bill that you think might be in jeopardy in order to get those votes in the Senate?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, it's a great question because you've got, as you know, cross cutting pressures. There's some pressure to produce more savings either by changing the tax cuts or finding more spending cuts. And there's some pressure to not eliminate or reduce certain programs because of political or constituency concerns. That's why the notion of just passing the House bill is gaining a little bit of traction, a little bit of currency. I think that there's a reality here. And this is where I think true fiscal hawks need to be realistic. If you don't deal with Social Security and Medicare in a fundamental way, you're not going to do serious deficit reduction. The only path to serious deficit reduction under those circumstances is economic growth. And as you know, the administration's big beef with some of these outside and congressional scorings of the House bill is that they account for economic growth. They factor in economic growth that's way too low compared to what's historically occurred and what the administration says their policies will usher in. So I think the way what's threatened is maybe some of the tax cuts, whether they're permanent or not, maybe some of the things that are threatened are the degree and nature of Medicare and Medicaid attempts to find savings. But I think in the end, the crosscurrents are gonna be more powerful than any single argument. And I don't know that they'll change it very much. And as I said, it's possible they won't change it at all because every change they make, and Senator Thune, who's leading the process, knows this, makes it a little dicier about whether they can get the votes in the House.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mark, excellent work. Thank you so much. 20 seconds. Plug how our audience can follow you and your variety of shows, please.

[Mark Halperin]

All right. Thank you for that two Way tv. You can see information on my programs as well as my colleagues programs. We have Heat programs on the air now on two Way tv. And what's different about them is full participation from you all to get to ask questions and then go to Megan Kelly nextup Halpert on any platform. You can find out about that show. Thank you for your service to America.

[Charlie Kirk]

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